75% of hits?
#protection
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
Yeah rezan
oblique garnet
hmm
lusty grotto
Lmao
oblique garnet
kaege wanna sponsor me game time so i can go conquer NA?
ocean acorn
why not both
fiery depot
3 last stand 2 rallying
oblique garnet
😦
lusty grotto
Yeah rallying doesn't block
urban briar
we cant spell reflext tantrum right?
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel wanna sponsor me game time so I can conquer EU?
ocean acorn
no beatial throw
lusty grotto
You can tell him to come by and we can help him out @fiery depot
urban briar
whats a warriors niche for mythic donkey kong
sick sentinel
being able to solo tank it
lusty grotto
ocean acorn
they can block
fiery depot
Will do for sure 😃
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel i will help you with that 😘
sick sentinel
will you really?
i'll even play warrior on EU
I can't sponsor you game time but I can carry your ass
oblique garnet
why would i want more warriors on eu
there is one beast who transferred on draenor and is currently guildless
sick sentinel
what the heck
why would you lie to me
you can play anything else other than I warrior I guess
for late
or
play a warrior and run with my alts
stark fox
Anyone willing to do a mythic 0 or two with me? I just need the Azerite gear from Tol Dagor and Freehold lul
sick sentinel
@stark fox this is not the discord for this kind of stuff
@sick sentinel anyone's
honestly i might just play resto druid or disc priest
late is on draenor and I am on kazzak
draenor is the better realm
but neither are Method-Tarren Mill
:c
oblique garnet
you wont get into method anyways
sick sentinel
yeah she will get into limit
lusty grotto
ill have a stern talk with them guys
sick sentinel
❤
stark fox
like if I cast a 2nd shield wall at 1 second left
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Wanna join my guild we are gonna be worlds first?
stark fox
does it go to 7 seconds or does it just start at 6 again
lusty grotto
how are you gonna cast 2 shield walls
lusty grotto
yes there's pandemic on SB
lusty grotto
but its not recommended
oblique garnet
Go ahead
oblique garnet
Its gonna be 1 day guild
oblique garnet
yeah same
lusty grotto
uhh... grats?
sick sentinel
I was a trial for over a month lol
ocean acorn
uhh... grats?
sick sentinel
late you don't know what you're missing out on
I'm the #1 player
in my household
actually, my parents used to play, so realistically I'm probably #3
LOL
oblique garnet
but can you be better than me?
oblique garnet
@hot locust you have a good heart of frost weakaura?
hot locust
I dont because tanks dont get it
oblique garnet
Hmm
ocean acorn
hmm
oblique garnet
Fuck shouldve asked scripe when he was sharing his weakauras
Like he had one that clearly telegraphed when it was on you
Actually impossible to miss
Should help my guild to kill jaina so i can finally get out of bench😪
oblique garnet
Great now we just need 20+ more
Oh you meant the weakaura right righy
@sick sentinel if you could
oblique garnet
When its targeted on you casting it plays a sound and shows a castbar with time left
oblique garnet
Heart of frost on jaina
oblique garnet
Afaik that had some issues
steep moss
warning when he casts (during the cast) on you, and yell when you're pulsing
oblique garnet
Atleast with some of our raiders
steep moss
Alright, didn't know there were any, my bad
oblique garnet
Its all good that works for some and for some it doesnt dunno whats causing it since everyone is usually busy not looking at the lua errors xD
steep moss
Yeah, linked it with good intentions to help out, shame ppl have issues with it
oblique garnet
Sure
sick sentinel
loop or once
oblique garnet
Once should be enough
sick sentinel
ok @oblique garnet
sick sentinel
yes
oblique garnet
Pm me it ill test it out tmrw
vestal heath
anyone willing to help me with rotation? It should be shield slam/tclap on cd. Revenge on proc, and devestator spam otherwise?
sick sentinel
ya
vestal heath
ok tyvm
vestal heath
pssh, im a dh
oblique garnet
even marok
lusty grotto
also the icy veins guide has priority information
its in the pins and in #268491842637660160
lusty grotto
dont be rude
oblique garnet
Also nim im watching a travel document about puerto rico
oblique garnet
Its a beautiful country
lusty grotto
i had to do my part of teaching a man to fish
heh it really isnt
but it has its spots
warm pumice
You guys reckon 380 is too low to tank a +9 TD
warm pumice
oh okay, just new to tanking so it seems spooky
oblique garnet
Dont worry about it we all started at the bottom
warm pumice
true, thanks!
summer basalt
a noob question , with SB now we can get above 100% block chance and with the talent bolster too . its a good a idea use never surrender instead of bolster . or the benefit of bolster when SB its in CD its very op?
and sorry if my english is a kindergarten level*
mortal brook
in situations like agressive amounts of magic damage, sure run surrender or indom, like soaking ires on stormwall blockade. but the block uptime benefit in bolster is going to be stronger overall in most every other scenario
that involves blockable damage
summer basalt
i only do M+
mortal brook
so i can think of just one scenario in m+. if you port out of motherlode and come back in for 3rd/4th boss. they're magic damage and you're done with trash. everywhere else in m+ you're all set with bolster
swift pier
Just did a 23fh and was using it on cd pretty much
Porting out in m+ doesn’t sound like the play m8
mortal brook
with anger management, last stand is pretty chonky uptime. it def fills the gaps between shield blocks
seen a couple ppl do it, def overkill lol, but the only m+ scenario i could think of where bolster wasnt better lol
summer basalt
thanks for tips and sorry if was dumb the question ;3
mortal brook
nah dude, thats how you learn
mortal brook
♥
umbral forge
I like Willow
lusty grotto
run 16 siege
with pugs
they eat frontals of all mobs, even when ive turned them away from them
lusty grotto
they dont cc big dude on first boss even though i ask them to
outer dew
I've been memeing keys with friends alts
lusty grotto
they agro 3rd boss cause they refuse to LoS (or LoS explosives)
outer dew
Nim, this why I dont like pugging
lusty grotto
and then apparently i fucked up due to an addon called "ElitismHelper"
im like wait what?
just says 260k
of what? dunno
when i say all mobs
i really do mean ALL MOBS
big dudes at start
goblin thingies
tentacles
3rd boss
like what the fuck
i should record this run
but my shadowplay is capped at 15 mins
mortal brook
"hey we have keys for TD?" "yeah i have monolite skeleton key!" gets to gate "shit, i forgot i dropped BS for engy" 🤦
umbral forge
😂
lethal plaza
About the Never Surrender vs Bolster, I'll sometimes run Never Surrender with some IP traits in motherlode tyrannical or shrine fort weeks...sometimes UR tyrranical if I don't trust inturrupts. Other than that, pretty much always bolster for me.
undone sun
k
lethal plaza
Sometimes on conclave too
warm plinth
Why do you hurt us
warm plinth
Me neither 😦
lethal plaza
Hey, different folks different strokes
lethal plaza
Nope, but they add onto it
swift pier
Always take bolster, it’s need for resetting sb
astral crystal
My IPs are doing iron man numbers and I don’t care
mortal brook
someone link that mitigation on the yazma lol
lethal plaza
yes very subjective use cases for me, i don't mean to hurt you guys
swift pier
It’s just bad info u giving others
lethal plaza
I'm only 1650 io, probably pleb status here
sick sentinel
@digital frigate rude.
@umbral forge ❤
lusty grotto
🤦
lusty grotto
frustrated
outer dew
why?
lusty grotto
i should just pug keys early in the week
lusty grotto
everyone is raiding tues through thurs
digital frigate
It could be worse.
lusty grotto
i usually can get people i know on friday/sat/sun
but even then it's hard
but yeah today was a total shitfest
orchid token
@umbral forge
honest iron
what is the solution for high keys Indigestion on the second boss in UR
have a full stack IP + spell reflect and still dropping to 20% health
potent anvil
literally run away from it. there's enough time from the start of the cast to turn around/strafe away from him and never get hit
honest iron
oh lmao
potent anvil
if you have trouble with that, you can have your healer position behind you and intercept. otherwise, you literally just run away
honest iron
well thats hella easier nice thanks i had tried strafing to the sides and he just followed me, didnt think of just outrunning it
potent anvil
he always faces you during indigestion, or at least before it actually goes out. you just have to turn 180 degrees and run
honest iron
you the man
stone imp
Can also heroic leap backward, charge back in
honest iron
I knew I had to be doing something unoptimally
potent anvil
yeah leap works too, only reason i didnt mention it is because i typically like to save it during tantrum and try to get far away maggots that no one will be able to reach, etc.
dawn shuttle
Booming Voice or Devastator?
naive panther
Running devastator in m+ and making dps look bad on bosses. But generally bv is the way to go
ionic fern
Don't run Devastator in m+ o.o
warm plinth
Just out of curiosity; is there a way to make WCL show like Revenge and Revenge! procs on two different charts on the same page or at least something that would tell me when Revenges were cast outside of the proc window?
open field
Guys how strong is the nerf going to be in the clap talent seems like nothing will really change after the nerf
digital frigate
@open field if you check the pins, our lord and savior gave us the 411
warm plinth
You're my hero Willow ❤
open field
Did not saw they were new pins ty @digital frigate
digital frigate
NP fam.
inner bear
u guys sick? might be the first time i wake up and have below 150 messages backlog in the protchannel 😄
inner bear
might be true 🤔
prisma echo
Hey Prot Mates! Is there something usefull from CoS loot for prots?
some1 make already analysis which is worth farming?
quiet hornet
Ptr comes out maybe Wednesday until then it’s speculation.
prisma echo
iim talking about Crucibles of Storms
quiet hornet
The main guys here are pretty quick about that stuff so just check pins periodically
Yeh I’m saying any type of analysis would be found in the pins but it’s too soon for any analysis because we can’t test on the ptr which comes out soon
stoic pilot
Raid comes out this week Leonidas there won’t be any PTR testing for CoS stuff which is what he’s asking lol
crisp pecan
guys, what do you think about crucible trinkets?
ionic fern
I'd imagine the heal trinket being good if the numbers stay as they are.
crisp pecan
250%?? it was 200% last time i checked journal
yes, i think this going tobe good trinket
little marsh
even in 200% is still good
ionic fern
Wonder if it's proximity based or just random when choosing either allies or enemies.
crisp pecan
good question
granite ibex
Hello guys, Someone has good materials to read if clap 8.2 patch will modify gameplay ?
ionic fern
In AoE it won't change things with BoM/UF/Avatar. In ST during Avatar windows i'm still checking some things regarding if something overtakes priorities etc. Will update soon.
crisp pecan
only thing tha can kill us is ST S3 affix
ionic fern
Unless it's something that removes big pulls completely from the equation i can't see it being a problem. m+ still consists of mostly AoE which we excel at.
crisp pecan
Yup, this is gone and so we are
ionic fern
? 🤔
crisp pecan
no one would pick warrior i believe
they would bring back dk metaand even bear if buffs are good enough because of bres
ionic fern
Why?
Reaping is gone sure..i barely hold Avatar for reaping anyways since Outlaws are blowing it up so fast.
You still pull multiple packs of mobs together and we still do good AoE DPS.
crisp pecan
well, they are buffing minibosses, no?
ionic fern
If resto druid isn't getting nerfed i don't see them going anywhere either so that means CR is covered in groups as it is no.
crisp pecan
i mean percentage wise
crisp pecan
well, you might be right
i am using right now BFI and IF 2x DC + 2x BOM
like this combo
ionic fern
🤷
I'm either 3xBoM/3xDC or 3xBoM/2xDC/1xBfI
But jeah, we still do good AoE DPS and we still take very little damage from mobs with decent play so we will still be just fine.
granite ibex
Why are you taking multiple DC ? isnt it limited to one ?
ionic fern
Stacking DC increases the damage of TC.
It won't benefit you defensively in any way other than the first DC but offensively on AoE it's good.
ionic fern
Shadow of Zul?
Use your rage on mostly IP's.
Rotate your CD's and don't overlap them.
Ask for externals from healer.
If things go south you can always just kite - tho the range of Zul is really long so you might actually out range your healer by accident causing you to die to the dot.
granite ibex
Yes. Magical damage hurt kinda hard on me. I was wondering if I missed % on stat
crisp pecan
worth keeping in mind that 3rd and 4th boss in ML is also only using magic attacks
charred tulip
is prot worth playing at the minute
sick sentinel
Prot is literally the best tank in both raids and mplus
Legit overturned
And if we don't get more nerfs other than the announced one ( doubt it) we will still be good
granite ibex
What do you think about next week affixes for us
Looks not that hard or am I missing something
sand condor
THE WEEK AFTER
crisp pecan
this week affixes (EU wednesday) looks ok, gottta get this quaking aura
granite ibex
How many stacks of Bursting I should aim for a decent healer probably PUG xD
quiet hornet
Bursting got buffed start of bfa so no more than 4-5 maaaybe 6
sand condor
there;s a WA for quaking?
sweet kettle
yes but its not 100% accurate some times
quaint wigeon
When should be the Breakpoint for "Starting Warrior Tanks" going from TUF to DPS?
sick sentinel
TUF=?
sand condor
as soon as you see you/re not dying anymore
sick sentinel
When you feel your dps gain from going a dps build
sand condor
start going ore offence
sick sentinel
Will offset the damage your healer losses
quiet hornet
Please replace tankiness with TUF in the guides
quaint wigeon
"as soon as you see youre not dying anymore" (with greater CD's like Shield Wall, or without?) 😃
sry this TUF is from ask mr robot (not the best source) but i dont get it out of my head 😄 blog.askmrrobot.com/measuring-tanks-tuf/
sick sentinel
Ask mr robot is complete garbage
quaint wigeon
i know but this TUF is burned into my head 😄
primal sable
oblique garnet
Legit worst affixes coming in tomorrow
hollow thorn
there are worse affixes 🤷
prisma echo
Bursting and Quaking are not so bad
But after 2 weeks we have sweet sweet afixes
to push keys
cant wait
oblique garnet
Bursting + quaking together is actually aids
hollow thorn
worst week for healers, cus they will be broke after buying fish feasts
if ur tanking its not fun, but when i play rogue its chill af xd
ionic fern
My healer already said that he isn't playing next week except for the weekly chest.
😄
ionic fern
He is a druid. 😄
frosty ridge
quick question, is there a soft/hard cap for haste, for survivability? or you should just go full haste
prisma echo
there is soft cap for block for sure 😃
quiet hornet
Sim it
frosty ridge
but that's not just block, there's IP as well. I'm just saying, is there a point where I don't want more haste if I'm going pure surv
sick sentinel
no there isnt
haste is more rage which is better for survival
but for pure magic damage you are going to take you might go higher versa or different trinkets and stuff like that
like KR or ML
quiet hornet
Haste > Versatility >= Mastery > Critical Strike = Strength
frosty ridge
I'm thinking purely raid tanking. it's just I'm trying to figure out that a prot war prospect has all mastery gems and enchants, that's why I asked about haste cap. why would he go for that is where I was lost.
quiet hornet
He should be gemming haste for sure
sick sentinel
there are no caps
also that "stat prio" is only partially true and only for raids
you should put ilvl in front
because ilvl is the single most important thing
sick sentinel
you gem haste, you enchant haste and quick nav
but ilvl above all
if he is going for mastery its probably for aoe damage thats it
for big clap damages
there is no other reason for it imo
wrong
if you wanna go big claps
you go crit
or crit yeah stacking crit makes more sense then mastery for m+
idk i go haste easy im just guessing the reasoning behind it
for raiding go haste
quiet hornet
Clap clap CLAP CLAP clap
sick sentinel
👏
prisma echo
👏
limpid kite
I am new to the prot war, when I use the shield I get 100%block, but I am still get damages from mobs, or it is equal to the prot pally Sotr?
ionic fern
Block REDUCES damage it doesn't make it not apply.
The maximum it can reduce is 85% of the incoming damage iirc
soft kindle
Look at your block stat
prisma echo
"With an item level 415 shield and no traits that affects my block value I get a total of 6340 block which reduces the damaging attack of an enemy by 50.16%, however by targeting a trash mob inside a dungeon it says “Against Current Target: 42.82%) This is because the “K Value” of any dungeon monster is higher than a normal mob you fight in the open world. Basically the higher content you do, the higher the “K Value” and the less your block does against their hits.
The formula here is (Block) ÷ (Block + K Value) = Block Reduction
Below are the K Values used in 8.1 and as you can see, regardless of key level, dungeon content is by far the lowest and requires the least amount of block to reach our softcap of 42.5% Block.
M0/M+: 8467.2
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4
Since this guide is purely focused on Mythic+ content, I’m not really going to talk about optimizing gear for raiding in this guide, but for perspective the same amount of block (6340) / (6340+11390) = 0.36. So essentially, while my shield that gives 6340 Block reduces the amount by 42.8% in a dungeon, it only reduces the amount by 36% in mythic raids, making block traits very valuable while raiding, but pretty weak overall for dungeons."
so basicly if you are purely on m+ if you have 415 shield you dont need block traits
Your goal should definitely be to prioritize reaching 42.5% Block reduction over anything else, just make sure to do your own math to see how much reduction you get from your shield, also make sure to add the block from your traits in the calculation. For example if I had a 415 shield and 2 x 415 azerite pieces with Iron Fortress my total block would be (6340+529+529) / (6340+529+529+8467) = 0.47, which means you are more than 4% higher than your softcap.
quiet hornet
🍿
ionic fern
Pretty sure that's a copy-paste from Lepan's guide.
rough egret
Yeah
sick sentinel
but the idea that you should stop getting block is just wrong
and I can get into it
if you want me to
ionic fern
Don't.
limpid kite
And if I cast the shield and the last stand together, I got extra reduction or it is a waste of cd
?
ionic fern
No, it's wasted CD @limpid kite
limpid kite
So if I wanna do a bigdickpull I should double shield and after that expires I should cast LS
quiet hornet
I feel like wall just waited for someone to ask about shield block then dropped his wall of text “finally I can fulfill my purpose”
ionic fern
If you want to play around with the DR's and see it in action check:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qk9Gdc3GL8UAGQisdDGlAK_qJM7iEM3-t-aS4i1ujAs/edit#gid=0
Courtesy of @timid jay
And yes @limpid kite you want to get SB's on CD first and then use LS and give SB's time to recharge.
prisma echo
@ionic fern jest its copy paste i add "" to quote 😉
@sick sentinel maybe on priv maybe here why im wrong?
im really curious because i take knowledge from this guide
im talking about m+ content exclusevily
isnt dps better then overcap there?
ill go on priv to not spam here 😃
sick sentinel
I don't think it's a problem as it is a prot discussion
and it is a good thing to talk aobut these things so people can comment on me any why I am wrong
I just need like 5-10 mins because I am talking care of a 1 year old for a bit
frosty ridge
appreciate it guys
prisma echo
If i understand good with 415 shield you achive 42,8 block which is giving me softcap. Any other stacking Iron Fortress will be usefull in raids but in m+ its just give me value of crit block. Is crit block more worth than dmg from other traits in this row? @sick sentinel no problem mate 😃
fierce juniper
The Block rating soft cap is not a thing. Even if your base blocks are more than 42.5% DR that does not mean you shouldn't use Block traits or anything of that sort. The extremely small DR loss on Crit Blocks is irrelevant and has essentially no affect on the value of Block rating.
😡
brisk ferry
ionic fern
Thing is you can't GUARANTEE a crit block..most of the damage you mitigate is still mitigated by normal block..hence getting even more block benefits you more.
old zephyr
also block traits are among the best DPS traits as well
sick sentinel
ok I'm back
ay we got a pin
basically if you crit block an attack the damage becomes almost irrelevant so losing a lil bit of DR there does not matter that much but a normally blocked attack can still hurt ( ie. really high fort keys where a blocked attack can still be 50k+ damage
you still want to reduce the amount of not-crit-blocked attacks because they still hurt a lot
prisma echo
so basicly (again sorry if i am writing nonsence) the value of block traits after softcap is crit block which is better value than some dps trait
sick sentinel
it depends if you want more defense or more damage
prisma echo
oO!
old zephyr
the only cap warrior have is 0% HPs where you are dead
oblique garnet
Bless you based marok🙏
old zephyr
also you may forget the guide where you read that as well
prisma echo
thanks all then for claryfing @fierce juniper @old zephyr 👏
old zephyr
if you are lookng for prot streams Lepan is not the reference
final mist
Jesus, I thought I’d seen everything
I’d thought Ravager was peak Protism
I guess not
old zephyr
wait for the dragon roar question with the nerfs
mental scarab
Whats is Lepan doing wrong? @old zephyr never checked hos stream
strong forum
I have unironically seen a prot with never surrender and dragon roar in heroic bod....
Ontop of him only doing 6k dps and the other monk tank losing aggro to casters cuz he only does 4.8k dps with 405ilvl
Left immediately
half palm
you didnt try to help him out?
strong forum
I told the Monk to press breath of fire more than once per minute
But with warri I had no patience cuz it's obvious AF that he was just a fotm reroller
But he was playing Legion
quiet hornet
@strong forum 🤣🤣
strong forum
The Monk literally had 12 casts of breath of fire during entire opu
I was beyond tilted cuz I stayed to leech some gear with my 360 pally for like 2hrs at 1am only to be disgusted
weary thorn
thats insane, brm only has like 4 buttons to press for dps as it is
how the shit did he only cast bof 12 times over opu fight lol
lusty grotto
Yeah I'm glad for that pin, was driving me crazy trying to explain to people here
inner bear
all that hate for fotm reroller 😦 what´s bad about playing the best class for the role you like 😦
lusty grotto
Flip floppers
quiet hornet
Should add one for leech too 🤫
lusty grotto
Then applying other tanks strengths cheaply into other classes
We've seen enough community perception be shifted by bad warriors already
inner bear
well.. ye.. can see your point there.. every tank is different in playstyle
lusty grotto
There's nothing wrong with rerolling to be fair
oblique garnet
Im rerolling daily : )
lusty grotto
It's just for the most part, rerollers follow other rerollers and don't really bring anything good to a class discussion. Sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't.
Also there's this aspect of blindly following streamers
weary thorn
I think wow is one of the few games I play that I rarely watch streams for
aside from mdi or the occasional arena tourny
oblique garnet
i like to watch drjays stream
they tend to do some interesting things in dungeons
weary thorn
I could see doing that if I was pushing over 20s
but my group isnt there, likely wont be there this season at that
mostly I just tune into Avon Barksdale living his best life in GTA while running whatever I'm running
honest frigate
Yes
prisma echo
#gatekeeping xD
honest frigate
All you gotta do is clap clap clap then you clap clap clap
lusty grotto
Apparently
Also not gatekeeping
We don't hold back info whether you're a reroller or not
🤷
weary thorn
probably as many people as are unable to read marok's pin on the subject
oblique garnet
half
honest frigate
People who think warrior damage is the reason they’re the m+ kings atm though are wrong
ionic fern
🤔
stoic pilot
I mean... are they? Lol
daring marlin
It's a combination of that and their sheer tankiness, I'm sure.
honest frigate
They are
weary thorn
that damage helps to mitigate how fucking terrible the current aggro system is tbh
stoic pilot
So you’re telling me a tank doing 28k dps per dungeon on average isn’t their main strength they bring to a dungeon 🤔
honest frigate
That’s part of their mitigation
weary thorn
I mean, the damage is a large part of why warriors are dominant in m+
stoic pilot
Sure you can call it mitigation
honest frigate
I don’t think so
weary thorn
you can't ignore that amount of damage and the impact it has on timers
stoic pilot
Like you can think differently doesn’t mean you’re right lol
ionic fern
It's 50/50. mitigation and damage both.
If we take away our dmg we are just monks who survive things. 🤷
daring marlin
with the short offensive CDs we have
weary thorn
monks that survive things that monks can survive
honest frigate
Reaping is insignificant over the course of a dungeon though. That’s why you chain reaping with other mobs to keep the dungeon place flowing
astral crystal
wait how is SR not mitigation 🤔
stoic pilot
Spell reflect one shotting first boss add on high underrot key
Just the absurd reflect dmg in general
astral crystal
yeah that's an exaggeration bud
stoic pilot
It’s not lol
stoic pilot
The spell reflect dmg is actually absurd in every scenario it’s useful in
astral crystal
you really misunderstand what an exaggeration si given the context
you're not one shotting the boss
weary thorn
^ironic
honest frigate
He said add
honest frigate
I did a 21 yesterday and told the dps to just passive cleave off boss, SR took the add from 80% to 0 idk how much of that was overkill
stoic pilot
Like we did a waycrest 21 last night and coven just normal empowered bolts they cast each reflect is like 5-6% hp off them
And the wasting strike on lord & lady waycrest
Just crazy how strong the actual reflect damage is overall
honest frigate
Yeah SR makes triad significantly easier when you do approx 1.2m damage from spell reflect over the course of the fight
daring marlin
It's more noticeable on non tyrannical weeks but yeah
oblique garnet
on shrine 3rd boss
sick sentinel
BuT dIDnT PRoT gEt nERfeD
astral crystal
blizz could just alter what spells are reflectable like they do with most bosses
ornate grail
is there a survivability difference between the races for prot?
sick sentinel
Guys pls, we were nerfed pls stop saying we do amazing damage still
honest frigate
They shouldn’t alter what spells are reflectable, just nerf the damage
oblique garnet
spell reflect is fine the way it is
weary thorn
they should bring all tanks down to vdh to level the playing field. Make it a kiting simulator
oblique garnet
honestly
strong forum
Legion 2.0 ohno
honest frigate
Pls no
sick sentinel
Lol
stoic pilot
Tfw can’t capitalize on it
strong forum
Tfw has 100 rabbit charm
oblique garnet
might aswell just grind the last 2 levels
strong forum
Comfy
stoic pilot
300k claps pog
daring marlin
late not even 48
astral crystal
he didnt save thousands of rabbit chamrs
strong forum
Or just wait until ak caps and just do WQs from time to time
oblique garnet
its actually faster with flashfire brews than with charms
daring marlin
BuT iSlAnDs ArE sO fUn
astral crystal
sure faster
but do you really want to go through the trouble of gathering mobs and pressing damage buttons when you can have a relaxing stroll through innovative island content
strong forum
I too love islands where there's more 1shot mechanics than +20s haha
daring marlin
me and the DH got hit by something for 400k
stoic pilot
It’s the best when you see the 1 shot mechanic and you’re perma slowed by either frostbolt or perma rooted by something random you pulled
strong forum
If islands were just hundreds of weak adds, diablo like, that'd be fun
But like this it's just tedious
weary thorn
@daring marlin siri play "there goes my hero"
soft kindle
How can SR be talked about in m+, and no one mention the snakey bois in ToS?
stoic pilot
Cuz it’s just assumed everyone knows about it by now or at least that’s how I think
sick sentinel
Snake Bois are not a boss when u have a prot warrior
stoic pilot
There’s such a disconnect between blizzard and their game they think reaping is too easy and it’s fun this way. things don’t have to be hard to be fun or engaging
Wish islands were like it
soft kindle
What if I just, took 15% of this guys hp away
stoic pilot
(Excluding the freebie weeks with super op buff items)
daring marlin
EXPLORE OUR SHITTY ISLANDS
oblique garnet
islands are honestly fun
sick sentinel
Like I said way ago, designers of the game don't understand what players enjoy when it comes wow a large portion of the time
daring marlin
you need your meds
oblique garnet
i just blast music and pull everything
soft kindle
takes 20 minutes
stoic pilot
The only time I actively enjoy them is when tank spec
daring marlin
they're quick
stoic pilot
But my god lol, I’ll never touch islands solo on a dps spec
daring marlin
but the only fun islands are pvp islands
soft kindle
oh yeah not tanking islands is suicidal
or at least having someone in tank spec for them
astral crystal
blizz wants explosive to be harder omegalul
daring marlin
shame none of my friends like doing the pvp islands
stoic pilot
Do the queues even pop for them anymore?
soft kindle
Well to be fair, they nerfed the shit out of explosive
astral crystal
and i honestly cant believe they literally said we dont spend enough time doing trash in dungeons
soft kindle
but the stance of "We think reaping was too easy" like, they did something right
Reaping is mad fun, and they're sayin "Sorry it's too easy, we won't make this mistake again"
monkaS
astral crystal
reaping is a thousand times more fun than ghoonies
daring marlin
yeah
astral crystal
next affix will be a 1000% bolstered mob that immune shields bosses after it if you dont kill it
something has to stop you in dungeons, that's fun :^)))
stoic pilot
Someone getting possessed by nzoth
soft kindle
One of your party members takes control of the last boss like a vehicle
weary thorn
ooo in order to kill the last boss, you have to gain a new xmog in Diablo immortals
daring marlin
like in what way is reaping too easy anyway? Is it too easy in that they made all the mobs too weak? I could see that. I can also see them being annoyed that people skip the last pack of reaping.
old zephyr
Ils want People to get randomly infected with mindbender.
While infected you take Damage that ramp up over time and deal more then you can throw it with extra button and you have to kill ot before it explodes like à Michael bay movies
daring marlin
How hard could it be to just make it so the dungeon doesn't end until that last reaping pack is dead?
lol.
old zephyr
Would be à shitshow
weary thorn
If something is fun, it isn't difficult enough - Blizz 2019
old zephyr
When you engage à boss you get Dreams of the prévious one and have to deal with It's mechanics as well
daring marlin
you heard it here folks
sick sentinel
Or just make the last reaping wave activate during a boss
old zephyr
Imagine under rot
weary thorn
Vol'kal poison patches filling up yazma's tiny platform combine with last reaping wave
old zephyr
Great
weary thorn
whew yes please
ignition mage directional cone along with the big ass cannon 1 shotters
sick sentinel
So room filler like abilities would be a no a go since the final boss of UR PLUS the 3rd boss
astral crystal
jes howlis flashing daggers monkaS
weary thorn
lol
old zephyr
Nice
weary thorn
you know they would fuck this up and you'd get the wrong boss from another dungeon
old zephyr
I think we are into What blizz would call "fun"
weary thorn
like final boss of sots black pools filling up viq'goths platforms
stoic pilot
And disappears
old zephyr
Eudora poking at you during UR tantrum
weary thorn
ha
stoic pilot
Really hoping we don’t get some weird infested clone or something similar but slightly different in design though
weary thorn
infested reaping waves imo
weary thorn
yea, thats fun
soft kindle
Those things trucked
granite ibex
"Tides are furious, a gigantic wave show up every 20% in a random direction bumping people 50 yards away"
astral crystal
@stoic pilot seems likely in design terms, they WANT something to stop us according to the interviews
soft kindle
First time I ever saw a ghuuny not run for a mob, turned and melee'd me, I was playing fury. Two tapped me
astral crystal
rekt
stoic pilot
Well let’s just hope it’s not a total buzzkill
little marsh
maybe a naga general with a few different skill, a bunch of preset generals (caster, hunter, big naga guy, warrior...)
old zephyr
Add with uniteruptible cast that stack Damages on the group
little marsh
each x%, a miniboss, no AoE class stacking and some importance to ST
stoic pilot
Inb4 recycled eye of azshara mobs
calm trout
how often can u reset a key before u cant go in the dungeon again?
u know what i mean :D?
calm trout
okey nice
runic yoke
Every 3 mins the kraken comes with the king tide and you need to dodge all his tentacle slams or rip
oblique garnet
new affix will be like the meta achievement on blockade
just random fucking goon comes and you have to kill it
wild bolt
With as many Naga themed bosses as we've had since Vanilla, it might be kinda cool to have some sort of randomly selected Naga mini-boss version of each show up, maybe at 25, 50 and 75% forces? That way it's harder to skip the last one in most dungeons if that's something they want to try to put a stop to (which I'd guess it is.)
lusty grotto
cool
fun
pick one
lusty grotto
im just trying to think of scenarios where a class does not consider reaping fun
single target classes?
is pushing dps part of fun?
guess it could be
wild bolt
Reaping has definitely been a fun affix, for sure.
torn gust
Haha hmm i disagree. First 2 unnerfed reapings in SotS yikes
weary thorn
sots reapings you can mess around with timings on
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think that's enough to say reaping wasn't fun
weary thorn
oh I love reaping
lusty grotto
no i mean what Sponks said
weary thorn
ah, gotcha
honest iron
Another question boys: 3rd boss in KR - the debilitating backhand is there a trick to dodge it 100% of the time? I feel like I can dodge it 50% of the time trying to time my intercepts near the end of it but I'm not sure if there's a specific time in the cast I should be intercepting or direction i should intercept to
honest iron
ah I feel like I dodge it a lot more than my parry chance. just heavy rng i guess
honest iron
im just saying I feel like I dont get the stack
lusty grotto
that's because you parry it
honest iron
a lot more often than my low parry chance
lusty grotto
there's no intercepting trick
honest iron
ja feel thanks bud
quaint wigeon
Ask your druid healer to taunt After because the debuff and counter taunt before the Boss reach your healer
lusty grotto
that's not what he asked
honest iron
smart
lusty grotto
with proper gearing you should have an average chance to parry it anyway
quaint wigeon
It's what He asked. He wanted to know if there is a way to get away with it all the time?
oblique garnet
huh so i only need 30 hours of island spam to get to 50 neck
assuming its flashfire brew
weary thorn
thats only ~75% of a full work week
elder isle
any1 with zandalari prot here ? Paku or kimbul buff ?
old zephyr
gonk is where the gang is at mate
elder isle
but I can take paku for raiding as well eh ? Have kimbul now but its shit imo
lusty grotto
i have no idea what people use for raiding
i guess it could work? but i'd rather the zandalaris in here reply
elder isle
sure , I just need to wait 5 days for a CD 😄
soft kindle
You can just tank the debuff @honest iron
crisp pecan
guys, very important question: 400 rezan + socket vs block 400 = who would win?
soft kindle
Socket of course
crisp pecan
400 rezan + socket vs alcehmy trink 415?
soft kindle
both?
crisp pecan
no, i have 1 slot resevred fo bwonsamdi bargain - best trinket no doubt, it is only dispute against second sloth
sot*
slot*
chilly brook
I mean
jovial haven
socketed rezan and alch trash bob
umbral forge
BWONSAMDI
chilly brook
Same boat that Mithrax's trinket was in
umbral forge
WE HAD A DEAL
chilly brook
No reason to use it as a warrior
use the alch trinket or if you're really wanting to be super defensive use the Prism @crisp pecan
analog swift
@crisp pecan its only good if you’re bad
sand condor
YOU ARE MY LOAAAAH
jovial haven
if you feel the need to run bargain you may have other issues you need to look at
chilly brook
^^^^^
umbral forge
(Bargain activates at the same time as Guardian Spirit so if you play with competent holy priests it's genuinely worthless)
jovial haven
if you play with any competent healer its worthless. mw has bubble, druid with bark, pally with bop/LoH, disc with pain sup etc
chilly brook
You should realistically never get to the point where it's needed and even if it does pop you're most likely gonna die anyways
Or it could have been avoided
twilit bramble
While you guys are answering trinkets questions, mind advising on my trinket options? 410 Rezan, 405 Jes' Howler w/ socket, and 400 refracting prism, which should I use in M+ (around 15-17 keys)?
sand condor
rezan/prism
twilit bramble
why is howler disliked? only for the long cd?
dense flame
I don’t think it’s really disliked
Rather
Some other options are more popular
Gore, rezan, anchor, vial, and prism.
Alchemist trinket as well
Some like Boost use mekka trinket and vial.
soft kindle
Howlers one of the best trinkets for m+
🤷
gives good vers, but the extra vers it gives to your group is p damn good for pushing
honest frigate
Double 1m30 on use is really strong for dps so makes sense why boost uses it
tame valley
soft kindle
is today 8.2?
lusty grotto
howler is bad
lusty grotto
its bad compared to any other option
soft kindle
😡
lusty grotto
rezan block and vial are superior
lusty grotto
🤔
soft kindle
And what howler does for you isn't what's good, it's the extra vers to everyone
lusty grotto
nah
i listed M+ trinkets because i sense we are talking M+
and diamond is the superior defensive trinket so that goes in without saying
except on necrotic weeks
soft kindle
Don't really need defensive trinkets in m+
lament garden
Depends on the week really
lusty grotto
whatever makes you pull bigger, is considered good
because big pulls = more dps
also shorter timers
soft kindle
Yes but you don't need a defensive trinket for that
lusty grotto
so defensiveness is valued in M+
lusty grotto
...............
lament garden
If they're mostly boss affixes then you can run full offense if it's a week like necrotic then yeah you're gonna need defensives especially if your healer is terrible
lusty grotto
can you tell me how stat trinkets compared to the raw value of an absorb shield? in math?
because i guarantee you that you won't be able to
lusty grotto
ESPECIALLY VERSA
soft kindle
Stat does both
Howler brings you some decent stats, but also gives a good chunk of vers to your group
🤷 it's objectively a good m+ trinket
lament garden
It's essentially a free vantus every 2 mins in m+
lusty grotto
which is nothing compared to the raw defensiveness of an absorb shield, and nothing compared to both aspects of a crit trinket
and nothing compared to both aspects of a haste trinket
but let's do math
let's consider 400 ilvl versions
129.5 versa for each member
- 81*4 for you
453.5 versa for you every 2 mins
lets see how that works out defensively first
steep lily
I thought jes is much more than that at 400
sick sentinel
the worst part of a jes
is the cd
because even if you try to use it every other avatar, you might not have it up
so then it gets pushed to every 3 avatars sometimes and that is just sad
but overall its not an actually bad trinket in of itself
the vers is nice for you and many meta specs will appreciate the vers as well
steep lily
Its not sad if you can avatar every 40s :D
lament garden
At 405 it gives 1268 and an additional 158 for each ally you motivate
lusty grotto
this is the one im using @steep lily https://www.wowhead.com/item=159627/jes-howler&bonus=1572:4780
steep lily
^
soft kindle
I just stated how much you get from a 415, if you want to use those
steep lily
I have a 400 rotting in my bags, not at my computer now tho :/
honest frigate
There’s only two dungeons where howler is really good for pushing. Temple for Galvaz and fortified zul. Only dungeons id run it personally where there’s actually a dps check on higher keys before you run out of cds/and or healer runs out of mana
steep lily
I think around 1200 vers split and extra 150 for you sounds about right tho
lusty grotto
hold on
honest frigate
Methus is right though. The benefit of jes’s is the shared cd across the group, not the personal one
lusty grotto
im almost online
steep lily
Ya, but the rest of the group doesnt have thunder clap
lament garden
Remove all spells give everyone thunder clap
lusty grotto
alright
lets do math again
248.6 for each member
- 620 for yourself
868.5 in total for you
hold up opening up marok's stat sheet
if im reading this correctly its versa amount / 170 / 100
so that's... 0.05% DR gain
for your own personal amount
k what about the group
honest frigate
I don’t think he’s arguing for the DR, but rather the increase in group dps with the vers
honest frigate
👏
lusty grotto
0.014% for each member of your group
(keep in mind that the versa calculation could be wrong, i don't have an off-hand formula for it)
so we'll go back to that one
gleaming rock
Any opinions on a 410 Lingering Sporepod trinket? I dont even see it listed on herodamage.com
lusty grotto
its crap
soft kindle
oh my God this is painful
gleaming rock
damn , in that case another crap chest week
soft kindle
900 vers is ~10% vers
steel mauve
Ya pods is literal garbage
soft kindle
300 is ~3.6%
gleaming rock
So looks I will keep my 390 rezans and 400 https://www.wowhead.com/item=165580 equiped
soft kindle
Pods has no use but raw hps. So yeah, not the best
gleaming rock
I havent got an upgrade on any of my weekly chest in like 5 weeks on any toon
feels bad bro
steel mauve
It has 0 use pretty much with how underpowered and rng based it is
I keep getting rings and bracers on my toons
gleaming rock
My druid got the same bracers 4 weeks in a row
steel mauve
Open up a fucking jewelry store
gleaming rock
LOL @steel mauve
soft kindle
In game
lusty grotto
ah
soft kindle
Literally just shifted gear around
lusty grotto
k we can probably extrapolate from that
timid jay
soft kindle
a 415 jes howler, used in a 5 man group, would give me 925 vers, which is 10.75%, and 300 to the other 4 people, which is 3.6%
lusty grotto
just to be clear these dont vary between classes right?
wooden radish
@ionic fern is that mastery trinket from the new raid any good for prot warrior
lusty grotto
cosmo
soft kindle
Vers is constant, yeah
lusty grotto
k
timid jay
Note that its Master ap
Mastery has modifiers arond it as well
But the attack power is consistent
oblique garnet
@wooden radish its still unkown afaik
timid jay
iirc crit block is x3 of AP and block x2, dont quote me on that though
wooden radish
i would prefer if @ionic fern answers because I like to troll him 😛
oblique garnet
dont bully him hes an old man
soft kindle
Get this man an orange, quick
steel mauve
Speaking of oranges i heard scurvy is making a come back 🤔
lusty grotto
Cosmo was an orange
soft kindle
I 'member
lusty grotto
in legion :p
fierce juniper
Crit block has a 1.5 coeff and block has a 0.5 coeff
next venture
guyes have a question rezan 400 vs gore 420 dunno if its worth replacing rezan
fierce juniper
for mastery
soft kindle
Gore 100%
lusty grotto
wait not an orange, he was a yeller
timid jay
I was TC for a while
lusty grotto
😄
timid jay
Like 1-2 months maybe?
fierce juniper
For anyone that has questions about the new gear in Crucible of Storms, I did a quick overview in the Icy Veins guide.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gear-best-in-slot
lusty grotto
oh
fierce juniper
oblique garnet
@fierce juniper there isnt anything about the dps trinket?
you reckon its not gonna be worth or?
lusty grotto
so 10.75% dr should be around 5% 21% damage gain
clear charm
Hey, I'm trying to improve my game and i would like to know what's my options in terms of sim'ing, optimizing stats?