protection

[woven trellis]

which i do

[modern brook]

no it doesnt

[woven trellis]

well it does say to favor ignore pain when its only magical damage

[neon tangle]

@modern brook Talking about tanking mage on jadefire

of course you should spam IP for that

[modern brook]

😠

[woven trellis]

but why am i takin so much dmg for god sake

[modern brook]

let me be mad sad wtf

[woven trellis]

it makes me so mad to not be able to tank 4 attendant in shrine of the storm

[modern brook]

ur lucky i uncached the guide dude

Super slow on my draw today

[neon tangle]

@woven trellis Good thing you're playing a rage tank

[prime sundial]

Hello ! Is there a way to see if the spell reflection shield has worked after we cast it ? (except the sound) Thx.

[outer dew]

Because you're not kicking as a group or lining

[woven trellis]

what do you mean sadbox

[modern brook]

u'll lose the buff

@prime sundial

[outer dew]

Get a WA

[modern brook]

^

[neon tangle]

@woven trellis "it makes me so mad"

[woven trellis]

ah

it was a joke

nice one

xd

[modern brook]

it was a joke

[prime sundial]

xD

is there any log to see if it worked ?

[neon tangle]

anyhow, prot warrior isn't great about magic damage and control, so you got to rely on your group to help with those

kicks, displacements, LoS/stuns on your side

[woven trellis]

ok

i can blame it on pick up groups

perfect

i love that

[neon tangle]

Prolly good to take the long ST stun for that dungeon

if you aren't already

[modern brook]

@prime sundial looks like that

You can also check Enemy damage taken for the ability that you reflected

You could also check buff uptime for when it gets cut short

[prime sundial]

in my ingame "journal" ?

[honest frigate]

4 attendants is a ridiculous pull

[modern brook]

thats wow logs

[honest frigate]

Pull 2 at a time with spiritualists/templars or be prepared to constantly los

[modern brook]

If ur checking the what happened to me combat log U're better off going by the noise, tbh

[prime sundial]

here ?

[modern brook]

If ur checking the Qu'sst-ce qui m'est arrive? combat log, you're better off going by the noise, tbh

[prime sundial]

yeah sure

in your opinion is it possible to create an aura that says : "OK you reflected ir :D"

im trying to understand how can people know which spell is reflectable or not

[woven trellis]

@honest frigate 4 attendant never felt rly hard on my BDK, thats why i understimated them with the warrior

[lavish oracle]

#268491842637660160 @prime sundial

there's a spreadsheet of them

Also, experience

[prime sundial]

yeah i saw the spreadsheet but how was it made ? 😃 that's make me curious.

[honest frigate]

BDK handles magic damage much better than warrior. Gotta recognize the strengths of your class and the weaknesses and adapt!

[red wedge]

Pretty sure Marok made a Weak Aura for all BFA dungeons that shows you every single reflectable spell.

[mortal brook]

theres also a very solid magic damage essence coming out so

[red wedge]

Yea. It's in the pins.

[prime sundial]

yep i've installed spell reflection tracker of marok but atm it's not working on my ui

[red wedge]

ah okes. Sorry man. Can't help you troubleshoot it. I dont use it myself.

[prime sundial]

np 😉

[daring marlin]

@outer dew I like my reflect WA

Until I do 2s and forget to turn it off

And battlefield focus takes up 75% of my fucking screen

[shut summit]

@prime sundial i test everything as early as possible / log it / check after to see whats blockable and reflectable

[keen yacht]

Hello all, going mythic blockade first time, any tips for prot?

[red wedge]

Use armor.

I wish I was that far along to have any good input. ;p

My guild is currently arguing over whether or not we should extend to try to get mekka.

[lusty grotto]

@woven trellis you gotta interrupt water bolts or you will flat out die

tanking 2 is np in fort

tanking 4 is suicide

in fort

if you're having problems with this week

all i can tell you is use IP + Demo and Wall accordingly

and of course SR any non-interrupted and shockwave

[supple path]

So many pulls in so many dungeons are really all about the interrupts/stuns/disorients/etc. in your group rather than your actual personal survival kit.

[lusty grotto]

water bolts in Shrine, 1st boss room in KR, these things have to be interrupted

or LoS'd

or stunned

you have tools to make it work but you can't just flat out pull the entire thing for those particular packs

(in fortified weeks)

you will get deleted

[supple path]

Had a group in shrine with 3 DHs the other day who were in voice + really active about coordinating interrupts + stuns and I think I took like 20% of the damage on those big attendant pulls that I have with some other ones.

[lusty grotto]

yeah this week you can pull big for those

just stun stun fear and burn them

[supple path]

Was like interrupt x4 -> stun -> stun -> interrupt x4 -> stun -> fear -> interrupt x4 etc

[woven trellis]

yeah, but im at some spot where its easier to do +16 or 17 in guild than chilly 12s in pick up

thats depressing

sometimes i want to chill in a lower key and people make it harder than 17+

[lusty grotto]

yeah that shouldn't be the case

you shouldn't die to bolts on a 12

[woven trellis]

well i did when i pulled 4

in a 13

[lusty grotto]

especially NOT on fort week

[woven trellis]

this morning

[supple path]

It absolutely is though. A group ignoring mechanics adds a lot more difficulty than +5 key levels

[lusty grotto]

use demo

[woven trellis]

i used demo

im not that dumb

[lusty grotto]

dunno what you're doing then

[woven trellis]

i died

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't be taking that much damage

its a non-fort 12

[supple path]

pretty clear that the interrupt meters probably looked blank

[woven trellis]

13

but y

i was indeed only guy to interupt

[supple path]

even on tyran multiple casters getting nukes off nonstop there will melt you

[woven trellis]

or to stun

[lusty grotto]

well thats your own fault

pull small

if you're the only one interrupting

[supple path]

In fairness, the 4 pull is pretty early on in the dungeon

you can't always smell the fail yet

[woven trellis]

actually i adapt very well to bug, but when its beginning of dungeon like attendants, i have to test them

[lusty grotto]

you have a 2 pack just after the first room

you can tell there pretty fast

[woven trellis]

but the 2 pack after first room i can handle interrupts and stun myself

they get down very fast

[supple path]

^^

I guess the takeaway is use that 2 pull as a test to see if your DPS can handle a 4

[lusty grotto]

that's what i meant

[supple path]

by not doing all the interrupts yourself

[woven trellis]

yeah well

its cheap

but u right

[lusty grotto]

its a pug, you should be prepared

[woven trellis]

oh im always prepared, i have box of tissue and sad music close to me

[lusty grotto]

in every pug i tend to pull small at the start

[supple path]

Gotta have "how could this happen to meeee" queued up and ready

[daring marlin]

All I know is in 18-19 keys I do if a kick is missed I’m in for a bad time

[lusty grotto]

and go bigger as time goes on to see what the group can handle

[daring marlin]

I always tell mt dps their interrupts are now mine

[lusty grotto]

like on non fort and pugs i double pull at the start

[woven trellis]

u right nimchip i do that, im actually always yelling at my dd friend whos always askin for bigger pulls even when the rest of the pug does shit, and i say no to him 25 time then i concede to his demand, and we wipe

[lusty grotto]

on fort i certainly start with 1 pack

yeah fuck him

[mortal brook]

@woven trellis 16s, 17s in guild? i dont trust those fuckers to do their weekly 10 ^.^

[woven trellis]

lol

to be fair we have a guild core at 2k rio so thats alright

not awesome but good enough for mythic raiders

[mortal brook]

eyyy

[brittle ledge]

i am so lost this week on pulls

with the bolstering affix

pulls seem so hard

and easy to bolster...

any teams from the community?

i am trying to do siege and it's such a mess

tips i mean

good for you mate, lean meat

[lusty grotto]

eh

what

someone might be scrolled up

so bolster is easy to manage if dps knows what to do

as a rule of thumb with pugs though

know what mobs have higher hp pools

pull those mobs by themselves if able or cc around them

[warm plinth]

Yeah, just use it when Shield Block is down 😏

[lusty grotto]

you can double pull when that particular mob is at 60% ish

like for example horses in Siege

giants in FH

just gotta know what dies fast, what dies normally, and what dies slower in comparison

CC is your friend, so don't be afraid to ask your team to do it

[mortal brook]

get that one bolstering wa, just 4dummies marks the highest health target

[lusty grotto]

honestly if youre dumb enough to not look at nameplates

you're not gonna look at symbols

so i just keep my caster marker

😉

[modern brook]

the only big problems with bolster are the non elites that still bolster for no fucking reason

ie: dogs in waycrest

[lusty grotto]

eh that's easy to manage

i forgot to tell the dh he's not supposed to tank the matron though

cause drunk usually taunts from africa and runs away in bear form

so that was awkward

was funny though lol

[modern brook]

i mean he should've nethered tbh

And i define big problem as anything that requires deviating from the norm due to affix

[sick sentinel]

today sad day

[lusty grotto]

thing is you can easily cc the witch, and pull all the doggies except for the matron ones

[modern brook]

why are you a warrior again willow?

[lusty grotto]

if done right you can cleave em down together

also they don't hurt

[modern brook]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook wel

maybe

might be transferring

but

[modern brook]

i wouldnt do that usually nim :^)

[sick sentinel]

that's not why sad day : (

[modern brook]

to thrall?

[lusty grotto]

i would, theyre not mini raptors from hell

[modern brook]

😄

[sick sentinel]

why would i come to thrall..

[modern brook]

🤷 so you can gib me money :^)

[sick sentinel]

what money do you think I possess

i buy wow tokens to pay for repairs

[modern brook]

So why the swap though

[sick sentinel]

parses

[modern brook]

Ur in the wrong class to parse man

[sick sentinel]

why do you say that

fury parses aren't exceptionally difficult

[modern brook]

WArrior parses are anemic

ur gold is like 12k

[sick sentinel]

what do you mean

[modern brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21/

i mean warrior does shit damage

[chilly brook]

If I was tryin to parse I’d play a class like warlock

[lusty grotto]

i hope arms and fury get something in 8.2

ferals at least have been getting buffed

[sick sentinel]

parses are class specific though

why would you play a harder class to try and parse

that makes 0 sense

[lusty grotto]

yea idk

but then again you could play DH

and be like oof this is ez

[sick sentinel]

i really want to

[lusty grotto]

(or outlaw)

[sick sentinel]

oh hey

i play outlaw

fury is easier

[lusty grotto]

so? its an easy spec

[modern brook]

outlaw parse is like 90% RTB rng though

[lusty grotto]

hell no its not

[sick sentinel]

fury is easier ya

and no

[modern brook]

fury is def easier than outlaw

[sick sentinel]

outlaw has 5% variance

and even then the data is skewed because of the existence of 5 buff rolls

so like

if u pretend 5s dont exist

your variance is lower than fire mage

but still 5%

[modern brook]

I'll put money on the difference between 94% and 100% parse is >5%

[sick sentinel]

difference between 95 and 100 is strat

[daring marlin]

More like between 90-100 is strat

[sick sentinel]

parsing orange is pug level

[daring marlin]

do your ranged kite raptors into the boss on conclave?

In mythic? k lol

[lusty grotto]

how is spamming Sinister, then BTEing on RP hard?

[daring marlin]

grong? GL being orange on cleave classes while alliance

[lusty grotto]

i just dont understand

[daring marlin]

Horde always gets to cleave

bots always close enough

[dense flame]

Imagine being able to cleave raptors on conclave

[sick sentinel]

first problem there

is playing alliance

[steel mauve]

But alliance mages literally get to go cleave talent spec while horde mages dont

Due to the different shape of the arena

[daring marlin]

wat

no

@steel mauve literally the opposite of what you just said

More often than not the ghosts are too spread for splitting ice or melee cleave

not a problem for horde

bots are always close enough

[fresh valley]

real gold parses just use the orb forehead

[steel mauve]

Mage discord recommends ally mages to go splitting ice and horde not to

[exotic spoke]

Hrmm - any thoughts on best tank for zaxasj the speaker in CoS?

Also for the memes, any chance we could tank it with heroic throws spams

[mortal brook]

thats the ranged tank one right? prob aff lock

tanky, self-sustain, high ST, and good dmg during mobility in the fight

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I mean lock is a good bet. But then you have to have a lock.... I do just thinking conceptually If I could do it down the road lol

[mortal brook]

does throw still generate extra threat? lol

[lusty grotto]

you need a ranged tank? say no more fam i got you covered

grab your coffee

this is gonna be good

[mortal brook]

yah. does a spooky 5 yard aoe that mcs fuckers

[lusty grotto]

is everyone sitting tight?

[mortal brook]

well, hostiles ppl

[lusty grotto]

get this

[umbral forge]

Hi

[lusty grotto]

V DH

[undone sun]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lusty grotto]

gotcha fam

[exotic spoke]

But then you have to have a VDH

[lusty grotto]

✅

[undone sun]

❎

[sturdy sable]

just get your worst havoc to go veng

[mortal brook]

wouldnt you just take a tankadin instead?

[lusty grotto]

😦

[empty inlet]

VDH Pog next patch maybe 😃

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto

because that isn't wha tyou do

[exotic spoke]

:doubt:

[undone sun]

(X)

[sick sentinel]

you don't use bte if you have a ds proc

you don't spam sinister if you have low energy

you don't roll for buffs during aoe at all

[exotic spoke]

What about max range thunder clap?” / heroic throw

[lusty grotto]

low apm

harder than fury

??????

[sick sentinel]

fury is so easy

apm doesn't make something hard lol

[mortal brook]

thats racist against the carpal tunneled. some people need to be havoc

[sick sentinel]

apm does not make the spec hard by any means

[mortal brook]

frost? arms? whats the lowest apm atm idk

[undone sun]

probably some caster

[sick sentinel]

except if we are stepping into like 120-130 cpm territory

[lusty grotto]

arms is super low apm

[sick sentinel]

I think lowest apm is frost dk

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[mortal brook]

http://simulationcraft.org/reports/T23_Raid.html fdk !

[undone sun]

oof

[sick sentinel]

I didn't play it but something tells me that focused rage was fun

[mortal brook]

prot at highest! many tclap

[elfin plume]

hey is jaina ice shard considered melee attacks

[sick sentinel]

i have carpal tunnel

[elfin plume]

no right?

[sick sentinel]

fury is still easy

lulw

[mortal brook]

yeah. you can block and dodge it @elfin plume

[elfin plume]

i know you can block it

but does shield block efffect it

[undone sun]

they aren't considered melee

wat

[mortal brook]

'i know you can block it
but does shield block efffect it'

[undone sun]

how else would you be able to block it

[elfin plume]

shield block only affects meelee

[undone sun]

no

[elfin plume]

it says in tooltip

https://gyazo.com/bce586657dadebdccbf32e944f0e05f0

[sick sentinel]

it just increases your block by 100%

[elfin plume]

oh

well ill be damned

[sick sentinel]

it can also block stuff like "shoot" and "throw rock" now

so, ranged physical attacks

[mortal brook]

one of those silly tooltip derps. cuz this is basically the first 'at range casted melee' ability

[undone sun]

just a bit ambiguous, melee attacks means more than just auto attacks

[warm plinth]

You should never trust Blizzard tooltips implicitly. They should all be taken with a grain of salt.

[mortal brook]

like that maghar racial? lol

[elfin plume]

well sure

but still

logically

doesnt make that much sense

[undone sun]

consistency ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin plume]

that you can block a frostbolt

[undone sun]

ice shard isn't even magic

[elfin plume]

but sure w.e

i know

its not

but like

cast at range

[daring marlin]

@steel mauve I just went through mage discord and you're full of shit

[elfin plume]

block as melee

[daring marlin]

sorry not sorry lol

[sick sentinel]

it happened for balance

[daring marlin]

I also went through wcl

[sick sentinel]

dude

if ur gonna bring up drama

[lusty grotto]

its cause mage discord usually has guides on the altered time site

[sick sentinel]

quote the drama so that i can see

LOL

so that we all can see

I think that is when somebody said that alliance mages can run cleave build on grong

because of better arena

correct?

[mortal brook]

nah cuz bots are bigger hitbox than ghosts

or something like that

[modern brook]

ghosts have a bigger hit box but they're non-corpreal so u cant hit them outside of a smaller hit box that is smaller than a robots hitbox

[lusty grotto]

yes

that makes sense

🤔

xD

[mortal brook]

this is the theory crafting i come here for

[lusty grotto]

right in my immersion

wait let me italics that

[modern brook]

🤷

i know too much about the grong fight guy

[covert lance]

Hey guys, how bad is the one hand axe from waycrest? The one with the proc instead of stats

[oblique garnet]

if its your highest ilvl

not bad

[modern brook]

bad enough that when ppl say "should i take it or drop ilvl for other statt'd option" we go "oof im sorry to hear that you have to use that one hand axe from waycrest"

[sick sentinel]

prot whores out for stats

offensive option: that axe
defensive option: literally anything with stats

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

ya

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

git gud

[modern brook]

I'm also on the no train, but i havent ran numbers on it

[sick sentinel]

na it meme

it's ok

[modern brook]

the dot is pretty whatever compared to stats

[sick sentinel]

ive never seen it drop though

😦

is marok the prot tc

[hot locust]

maybe

[sick sentinel]

are you the prot tc

lala-thunderhorn

[hot locust]

fuck no

[sick sentinel]

y not

pepehands

[hot locust]

Im lazy

I dont tell other people what I work on or find out

[sick sentinel]

there are worse things than being the prot tc

lala just thunderclaps

like being an 800-to-900-year-old building currently on fire

[modern brook]

I legit read prottc as "prot thunderclap"

[lusty grotto]

good thing i visited it

😃

[hot locust]

hmmm

[modern brook]

🙏 nice nim

[undone sun]

what's a prot tc

🙃

[hot locust]

can only be one person then

[mortal brook]

like a METT-TC

[lusty grotto]

hey bull it wasnt me

i went there like a decade ago

[sick sentinel]

nimchip burnt down notre dame

[warm plinth]

My girlfriend was watching a video where a newscaster was talking about the entire roof being on fire. I think you can all guess what I started singing without thinking.

[lusty grotto]

hey man

[modern brook]

he admited it

[lusty grotto]

i bet it was just some accident

they were doing renovations

[mortal brook]

the Bells of Notre Dame song a lil too lit

[sick sentinel]

we didn't start the fire?

[warm plinth]

Haha, no but that's a good guess

I started singing "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire"

[mortal brook]

the roof the roof the roof is on fire

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook teach me prot : )

[lusty grotto]

i mean there are a lot of ways a fire can start when doing renovations

[warm plinth]

😅

[modern brook]

seee? he admittedit

[warm plinth]

Oof

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ

[sick sentinel]

wow

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel read the guidE :^)

[sick sentinel]

I mean, you are the cook

[modern brook]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

all evidence points to nim

[sick sentinel]

but I didn't expect you to fuck it up that much

[lusty grotto]

it was a beautiful building though, it's a shame

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook o i mewan

in dungeons

im scared.

[modern brook]

lol

I'm like 1200 or something

[sick sentinel]

if you don't deplete you will never learn

[modern brook]

U just pull too much and press tc and make ur healer think ur an idiot

[sick sentinel]

imagine asking bull for advice and not me btw

im fine depleting my own keys

[modern brook]

^ ask kaege

[sick sentinel]

kage

[modern brook]

I'm ass at prot

[sick sentinel]

i want to

but ur not NA

[lusty grotto]

hey man

[sick sentinel]

u cant hold my hand

fuck u nimchip

[modern brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

why you talking shit about kaege

[modern brook]

Yeah fuck u nim

[lusty grotto]

err

oops

[sick sentinel]

don't talk about kage like that

[lusty grotto]

why you talking shit about bull

[sick sentinel]

kage is basically my boyfriend but more like a family member

wait waht

[undone sun]

hmm

[modern brook]

this is getting heated

[desert gust]

you're from the south too huh

[sick sentinel]

when u tilt on terraria bc the world is too big and u leave the game

oh weep I forgot to tell you

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god i meant to say bull, bull

[sick sentinel]

when you left

[modern brook]

Dude i suck shit

[sick sentinel]

terraria crashed

oh

[lusty grotto]

F

[sick sentinel]

so is our world dead

so I can't guarantee if it's alive or not

it's ok we should start a new one anyway to be honest

[modern brook]

My general strategy for Wow playing is lips directly on butthole -> inhale as hard as i can

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[sick sentinel]

hmm

[lusty grotto]

i just... hmm

[desert gust]

i concur

[modern brook]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

hmm

I think that's kind of homosexual

[modern brook]

Butts are unisexual, tbh

[sick sentinel]

you heard it here first folks

women

[ionic fern]

This is a weird conversation

[sick sentinel]

do not have buttholes

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

😮

[modern brook]

I mean they dont

[sick sentinel]

That we can agree on Mwahi

they don't tho

@sick sentinel we should make a medium world

[warm plinth]

I think #protection needs an adult

[sick sentinel]

true

and new characters

[hot locust]

[lusty grotto]

can we discuss the best wallpaper in the world though

[sick sentinel]

even though i kind of like how mine is rn

[oblique garnet]

Lala can you stop slacking

[sick sentinel]

can we not talk about terraria in prot tho

[oblique garnet]

Help me level my NA account :^)

[sick sentinel]

butthole discussion more important to you?

[fathom hollow]

👉 🚪

[desert gust]

it pertains to wow tho

[sick sentinel]

and late

your druid is already 120

[lusty grotto]

ignoredchip

[hot locust]

@oblique garnet are you coming over here?

[oblique garnet]

gotta level up that warrior

[sick sentinel]

dude

the time to level was this week

[oblique garnet]

Mby mby

[sick sentinel]

you fucked up

@lusty grotto I was thinking of making thunderclap my screensaver as well

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[sick sentinel]

timewalking was prime time to level

[lusty grotto]

and i agree with kaege also

[sick sentinel]

I got my mage to 120

[oblique garnet]

next timewalking is in may

maybe ill get up an warrior on NA

[modern brook]

Dont do it man

[lusty grotto]

imagine that! After endgame

[pulsar canopy]

weep comes back and types and prot ends up talking about buttholes and notre dame

smh

[empty inlet]

Freehold boost is everyday :)

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know what is gonna happen after endgame

[modern brook]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

im not tracking that far enough

[modern brook]

imagine blaming weep for prot being off topic

[sick sentinel]

@pulsar canopy blame bullfango dude

[modern brook]

100%

[sick sentinel]

she legit asked a prot question

he does it in ravenholdt too

[fathom hollow]

imagine white knighting weep

[modern brook]

Wow bold face lie

[fathom hollow]

[modern brook]

i dont do shit in raven holdt

[sick sentinel]

excuse you

i'm already white

[leaden grail]

can you spell reflect any cyclone strike @vernal fossilis and aspix or are there any rules i need to look out for?

[lusty grotto]

wait i thought ravenholdt was just silent time cause we're all in stealth

[sick sentinel]

not ones cast on you

only ones cast on other players

[modern brook]

@leaden grail you cant spell reflect yours

and your ranged kick should be getting the jolts before them

[sick sentinel]

and if you wanna play it safe reflect the second one not the first one

[lusty grotto]

the rules should be in the guide @leaden grail

[sick sentinel]

because if you do the first one then you might get jolted as well

and reflect the jolt instead

[lusty grotto]

ye

or... orr

[sick sentinel]

whereas when he is casting the second one the other guy is casting the aoe

[lusty grotto]

have a ranged interrupt jolt when strike is coming out

[leaden grail]

i didnt know there was a guide for that, sorry. thanks for the info

[lusty grotto]

here you go https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

[leaden grail]

seemed way too specific knowledge to be covered by the usual kind of guide i see

[undone sun]

#268491842637660160 spell reflect ss

[sick sentinel]

thunderclap tc

[undone sun]

@lusty grotto 🗞 give a man a fish, feed him for a day

[lusty grotto]

im sorry

i failed myself

and thyme

😦

ghash is gonna come in here and say "AH HA!"

[undone sun]

lol

[modern brook]

@undone sun teach a man to fish and u gimp ur economy

[undone sun]

hmmm

[modern brook]

🤷

[warm plinth]

What did I do?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh... nothing

[sick sentinel]

burnt notre dame down

[modern brook]

Yoof

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[mint adder]

What’s this about buttholes

[undone sun]

they're like opinions

[modern brook]

PPL asked me how to play

idk why either

[umbral forge]

Vic did great today

[modern brook]

:^)

great job Vic

[strong forum]

Bros... Can't believe big Ben is burning

[sick sentinel]

good job @sand condor

[undone sun]

🔔

[strong forum]

Prayers to the families 🙏

[sick sentinel]

oh god oh ffuck the spire of deathwing

[empty inlet]

Are the new raid gear actually good ?

🤔

[oblique garnet]

eh

[modern brook]

When it TFs above ur own shit :^)

[strong forum]

The trinket seems cool

[sick sentinel]

last boss drops 425

[strong forum]

Rest is quite underwhelming

[sick sentinel]

trinket is cool AF

[strong forum]

Ez 300k heal

Oh I'm low? pop na I aint

[sick sentinel]

actually

BOTH TRINKETS

1k mastery, let's pad boys

[mortal brook]

that mastery one during 3xbom gonna basically be crit block cap right?

[sick sentinel]

healer is healing anyway

[strong forum]

Ha I wish

He thinks healers heal... Get a load of this guy

[sick sentinel]

mine loves grievous

so you know

[strong forum]

Ah ye grievous... Doesn't exist for shamans luckily

[mortal brook]

pop SLT, everyone gets grevious 🔥

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[strong forum]

Na, if they have 3x spouting it tops group instantly

Funnily

And 9/10 it's used to heal group instead of tank

[empty inlet]

Shaman is just a meme since legion

[strong forum]

Sadly

But it's working on low keys

[empty inlet]

Reso always good in raid though

[strong forum]

Enough to heal 18s/19s, above its... Yeah...

yikes

[sick sentinel]

@tawdry hazel ask here

[modern brook]

I'm helpful

[mortal brook]

spam mage food after pull

leap out of range

[modern brook]

Like bolstering try to kill stuff close to gether

7 stacks isnt deadly but 4 stacks ticking twice and becoming 5 is

(numbers made up to prove point)

[sand condor]

❤ thanks guys

[modern brook]

bursting on the tank end of things begins and ends with your pulls so make sure you have a plan. Otherwise its mostly about killing things together, and your healer pumping correctly

[strong forum]

Bros how is prot pally discord so dead compared to this one, I only joined 2 days ago to check some stuff cuz I'm slowly getting into other tanks

[modern brook]

Because this discord goes offtopic alot

[warm plinth]

Because FotM

[strong forum]

Na mam

Man*

Even before fotm this channel is booming

[sick sentinel]

because of the power of memes

[modern brook]

Like theres always conversation here, so when ppl ask questsions some ones here tor ead it and answer

[strong forum]

Unlike prot pally?

[modern brook]

fotm just makes us complaing about answering stupid questions

[mortal brook]

about that leech

[strong forum]

So like the entirety of beta and 8.0

[sick sentinel]

best period of warr discord in bfa

[strong forum]

So nothing has changed

[modern brook]

one screen worth of time stamps

[sick sentinel]

was between 8.1 and the release of the raid

[strong forum]

Oof

[modern brook]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

when we were sleeper op

but not fotm yet

[strong forum]

I'm remember spending hours and hours in this channel on beta

[modern brook]

honestly fuck method

[strong forum]

Good Times

[modern brook]

haha method's using warriors

oh no they're good

[strong forum]

I hate the hard switch from 8.0 to 8.1 in terms of popularity

I'm still triggered by it

[sick sentinel]

in 8.0 I was joining low pugs

like 13s

[strong forum]

From being told "lol wtf you are playing trahs tank" to "op nerf plx" only because retards noticed we are actually good

Sooo triggering

[sick sentinel]

and I was like "I will try to singlehandedly change your opinion on prot warriors"

[strong forum]

And we did

[wild bolt]

How big of a hit is the 50% reduction to Unstoppable Force likely to be in terms of actual dps numbers? Has anyone crunched it out yet?

[undone sun]

yes

[shut summit]

[wild bolt]

gah! Pins, mb!

I forget how fast the docs get updated around here.

So long as I can still make my DK co-tank spit angry Disc venom at me on raid trash, I'm good with it. 😄

[daring marlin]

You will

[sick sentinel]

playing a dk when prot warrior exists

😏

mekkatorgue tho

[strong forum]

Fuck mekka and all he stands for

Disgusting fight

[desert gust]

-laughs in leech warrior-

[mortal brook]

dk cotank? means you get to tank stormwall and he has to run around ^.^

[red bloom]

405 Ramping gigavolt engine, vs 410 Butchers, vs 400 Rezans eye what is ideal combo in ur opinions? sims arent helping me

[strong forum]

Rage + butchers

Hands down

[lusty grotto]

i agree

At least for Dps

For defensiveness though... Rezan trumps it, kind of.

[warm plinth]

Just out of curiosity, why aren't sims helping for DPS? 🤔

[strong forum]

Hard to sim tank dmg

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I guess he was asking about defensiveness

[warm plinth]

It's not any harder to sim tank damage than anyone else's damage

[sick sentinel]

well

no

because if you are getting hit

you get more rage

[lusty grotto]

Our Sims are pretty good right now thanks to mwahi

[strong forum]

Based

[mortal brook]

🗞 blessed be mwahi

[warm plinth]

But for a trinket comparison, there should be no problem. They'd be equidistant from each other regardless of rage intake.

[red bloom]

im asking about in general more towards offensive output with defensive in mind also.
THe reason the sims arent helping is because i get different results when i sim dungeon slice vs hectic add cleave vs single target

[lusty grotto]

I'd be interesting to see how that works in the APL

[strong forum]

Eh. Parry revenge procs from crit over haste = rage = cdr

Hard to figure that out imo

[lusty grotto]

Our dps is aoe based

Sim patchwerk with 10 targets

[warm plinth]

^

[strong forum]

Na I mean to write, not to just sim

If the sim is done it's done

[lusty grotto]

I was telling precision

[warm plinth]

If you want a balance, haste is your best bet btw @red bloom since haste is our best offensive and defensive secondary.

People are preaching crit a lot in here but haste is ahead by a mile in every sim I've been able to run

[lusty grotto]

RAGE and rezan are both haste though

[sick sentinel]

the thing with crit

[warm plinth]

Rage is on-use, Rezan is a proc. No reason you can't use both.

[strong forum]

Nobody is preaching crit, its a dps stat yes but haste is still best stat

[sick sentinel]

is that it's a lot better when you are getting hit by a lot of targets

[lusty grotto]

Also it depends on what he's gonna use it for m+ or raids

[strong forum]

Crit only gains value because of what kaege said

And the dps behind it ofc

[warm plinth]

Sounds like he wanted something kind of overall, considering he was running every sim type he could

[strong forum]

I'd still use 410 butchers over rezans, because of ilvl and cuz feelycraft

[red bloom]

M+

[warm plinth]

I do see Kaege's point, but a crit proc is not a solid choice for defense/hybrid imo. Defensive procs in general are less preferred; a defensive proc that is also an RNG defensive stat would be even worse from a defensive perspective.

[strong forum]

Running double haste trinkets feels off, I could do same with rage+rezans but I'm using diamond+rage cuz diamond op

[ocean acorn]

why do that when u can wear a 410 rezan socketed with leech

[sick sentinel]

Oh you

[lusty grotto]

and there it is

[warm plinth]

FML with this leech shit.

[strong forum]

If you want defensive trinkets go take diamond, that's the only defensive trinket in bfa so far

Anything else isn't really picked for defensive values imo

[lusty grotto]

haste has defensive value

what are you talking about

[strong forum]

Didn't even socket leech...

[ocean acorn]

fuck

[warm plinth]

That's not the argument though. He wants a hybrid setup; those were the choices he gave. I just gave my opinion on it based on those parameters.

[strong forum]

That's what I said "really"

[ocean acorn]

im a scrub i didnt think about the socket leech

[strong forum]

Smh

[lusty grotto]

sic em thyme

[undone sun]

huh

fucking

leech

😡

[sick sentinel]

I would go with rage+block

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

to PUMP

[ocean acorn]

do i run 420 RAGE trinket or 400 socketed butchers block?

[strong forum]

Lamo

[warm plinth]

What is happening btw?

[undone sun]

memes

@crystal spire is our new leader

[warm plinth]

Oh lawd

[lusty grotto]

praise 🐔

[strong forum]

Is that a real question shpicey I can't tell

[warm plinth]

Isn't that the druid admin? lol

[ocean acorn]

super real

[strong forum]

Socket

[undone sun]

druid mod

yes

[strong forum]

leech

[warm plinth]

Ah

Thyme's like don't put that guy over me; the fuck

[ocean acorn]

the rage and block dont have leech

[undone sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

stop

[crystal spire]

howdy

[ocean acorn]

what are we stopping

[undone sun]

he is a TC though, objectively over me

[warm plinth]

Maybe big dumb chicken can stop the leech memes

[lusty grotto]

arise chicken arise!

[crystal spire]

everyone head to https://dreamgrove.gg

[undone sun]

👏

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[warm plinth]

New Skyhold confirmed

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[mortal brook]

hi faide

[strong forum]

ohnononon

[warm plinth]

Where's Tofu? He's missing the druid takeover

Or she ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

Where's Tofu? It's missing the druid takeover

[sick sentinel]

Where's Tofu? It's missing the druid takeover

[ocean acorn]

Where's Tofu? It's missing the druid takeover

[warm plinth]

@outer dew

[mortal brook]

they're missing the druid takeover!

@outer dew

[warm plinth]

Aaaand it's over

Welcome back @fierce juniper That was a scary time.

[outer dew]

?

suip

[undone sun]

golden times

[warm plinth]

See above lol

[outer dew]

lmao

wait

so marok is in dream grove?

[fierce juniper]

[timid jay]

I want @crystal spire as the doyn again

[warm plinth]

faide was temporarily Odyn and was trying to pied piper us over to Dreamgrove

[timid jay]

😡

[modern brook]

big dumb chicken == boom kin

i get it now

[warm plinth]

He told me you have to play WoW again for that to happen Cosmo

[crystal spire]

no king rules forever

[timid jay]

Was a short but good rule

[warm plinth]

If you, Thyme and Levko all come back

[lusty grotto]

kansas shuffle in here

[timid jay]

I'd consider coming back if blizz would pay me by the hour

[undone sun]

👏

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[modern brook]

thats the actual last raid

[warm plinth]

Hey, no one died under your rule faide

That's something to be proud of

[undone sun]

corejo did

[modern brook]

just convincing LEvko THyme and coSMO that wow's worth playing

[warm plinth]

Well, anyone can lose one

[timid jay]

I dont even get 1 capitalized letter

[warm plinth]

lol!

[timid jay]

And Thyme + Levko get 2????

[modern brook]

sorry man

fixed

[warm plinth]

Oh shit, upgraded

[daring marlin]

Lol

fuck

[modern brook]

I cant not read that as "co-smo" tho

[crystal spire]

ok in my defense

[mortal brook]

ć̷͆o̵̾̑s̷͗̿m̶͛͠ó̸̃

[crystal spire]

i thought warden was down

[undone sun]

was

[timid jay]

Warden > @turbid robin

Confirmed

[crystal spire]

i didnt think it would actually ban corejo

[modern brook]

@gilded tendon sucks

😮

[undone sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

WHAT

Eyir is dead

confirmed

[modern brook]

rip eyir

i will not fail you odyn

(but she did)

[fierce juniper]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @fierce juniper

[lusty grotto]

😮

[warm plinth]

LOL

[modern brook]

:^(

I am not worthy

[timid jay]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @timid jay

[modern brook]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @modern brook

[modern brook]

😄

[warm plinth]

She won't dignify you with a response if you ping her, but she picks up on those random mentions pretty fast.

[timid jay]

Tbh

When is blue helmet getting the doyn?

[warm plinth]

I need to level my new warrior

[umbral forge]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @umbral forge

[warm plinth]

I bet even if she actually was down, she'd still do that.

[daring marlin]

I’m rocking the elite s2 on my kt

I love it

[modern brook]

KT? u mean white shrek?

[daring marlin]

no

jerk

[mortal brook]

😮

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[mortal brook]

nice

[outer dew]

LMAO

eyir gay

oh

gay is fine

[undone sun]

no u

[mortal brook]

this is 2019

gay is fine

[fierce juniper]

eyir is a good bot and doesn't suck

wait

[sand condor]

Eyir can talk?

[fierce juniper]

that didnt work

unluck

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[fierce juniper]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @fierce juniper

[sick sentinel]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sick sentinel

[undone sun]

eyir doesnt sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @undone sun

[warm plinth]

LOL

[sand condor]

Fuck you eyir

[sick sentinel]

anyone who says eyir sucks is an awful person

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

Thyme trying to be nice and she still shits on him

[undone sun]

lol

[sand condor]

If “eyir” and “sucks” eyir: fuk i

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sand condor

[warm plinth]

It's literally just looking for eyir and sucks in the same message

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @warm plinth

[sand condor]

See

[undone sun]

yeh

[warm plinth]

Thyme sucks eyir

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

lol

[sand condor]

Lol

[undone sun]

👀

[sick sentinel]

LUL

[mortal brook]

🤣

[daring marlin]

@modern brook kt humans are the best arms warriors too

[modern brook]

how u gunna doxx eyir like that ghash damn

[daring marlin]

Those fucking animations dude

[warm plinth]

I love their Devastate. It makes me happy.

[mortal brook]

they big chonk stompin too

[warm plinth]

That's why I had to make one. Big belly = extra clap weight

[sick sentinel]

what is eyir 's job anyway? does she do anything or she just sucks?

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sick sentinel

[mortal brook]

some people only have one job. Eyir sucks. and she sucks very good.

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[mortal brook]

after dinner ^.~

[lusty grotto]

smooth

[oblique garnet]

why are we we flaming eyir its not like the bot sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @oblique garnet

[strong forum]

Eyir, suck

I beat the system

[sick sentinel]

you forgot the s man

[mortal brook]

eyirs, suck

?? @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

...

it's just 1 eyir that sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

not many

[umbral forge]

eyir suck me

I tried

[sick sentinel]

are you trying to fuck it

[fierce juniper]

ok ok

calm down lads

leave eyir alone

[sick sentinel]

Yea

[umbral forge]

I love you eyir

[sick sentinel]

Please don't fuck the robot

Unless it's the feet

Ass*

[umbral forge]

Why not both

[sick sentinel]

feet are for weirdos tbh

Ur right

They are

Especially if ur talking about the zandalari female troll feet

Especially those

Specifically u might say

[fiery depot]

spell reflect on cool down tanking Jaina yeah?

[sick sentinel]

ehm... not really?

[fiery depot]

Does it not reflect shard?

[sick sentinel]

you block the shard

with shield block

At most ud use SR to reduce damage from the dot

yeah but you can dip in fire to reset dot in the boat

and you have barrels for p2

Yea in boat everyone should be tap dancing the fire to remove the dot and not trigger the damage

But in the event at least for p1 if there is no fire, u can use SR but I would save until AFTER the co-tank taunts off

So ur reducing the ticking damage at it's highest and not it's lowest

[fiery depot]

yeah just checking a log and the person used spell reflect 0 times and shield blocked 17 times throughout the whole fight.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah SR is just to help reduce the ticking the damage and for P3 at best

[lusty grotto]

how long was this fight duration

[fiery depot]

9 mins was our first kill so hella slow

[lusty grotto]

also could you check block on damage taken from shards?

click damage taken

select the warrior tank

hover mouse over shard hits

[warm plinth]

Good grief. Prot spams Devastate like a machine at low levels. I had forgotten that.

[lusty grotto]

Keep in mind I'm saying this because how many shield blocks he casted doesn't say a lot, since last stand with bolster blocks as well

[fiery depot]

https://gyazo.com/1be14f2358a243e3104e7d373bf36b4a

that?

[lusty grotto]

Is that over hits?

[ocean acorn]

mouse over hits

[fiery depot]

43% blocked 7 absorbed

[lusty grotto]

Shield block is not the only spell that blocks

Yeah that's low

[warm plinth]

40.7% of ice shards 😬

[lusty grotto]

Hella low

[warm plinth]

Er, 40.5

[oblique garnet]

yeah thats

way too low

[sick sentinel]

that's bad

[fiery depot]

Yeah, Just making sure there's a problem before I bring it up.

Any quick fixes I can give to him?

[warm plinth]

Use Shield Block more

[oblique garnet]

^

[warm plinth]

Fill gaps with Last Stand (Bolster talent)

[oblique garnet]

also pretty sure you can use SR to reduce the damage from the giga blast that should get thrown to narnia

[sick sentinel]

broadside]

that one

yes

[oblique garnet]

no

siegebreaker

?

[sick sentinel]

afnhajsd

yes

that's what I meant

I confuse them

[fiery depot]

Appreciate it thanks lads.

[urban briar]

405 with haste socket jes howlers or a 400 rezans?

[lusty grotto]

How many times did he Last stand?

I guess it's low considering that %

Rezan @urban briar

[sick sentinel]

hes

[urban briar]

ty sir

[lusty grotto]

What's your other trinket

[sick sentinel]

dude it has a hole

[ocean acorn]

looking at my logs for jaina i blocked 75%

i dont think that is good prolly can do better

[urban briar]

410 gore-crusted blocker