Ah I see
#protection
brazen sequoia
sand egret
reflecting the grip before its applied negates the dot portion
lusty grotto
you arent blocking smashes
your block effective uptime is 60%
that could be improved
sand egret
for a 6 min fight, 2 lasts stands seem low
brazen sequoia
So when he casts grip (or just before), I use spell reflect and then after cast, I intercept our tank?
sand egret
ah, makes sense. Should mean he should have 100% effecitve Block then
lusty grotto
almost 50% uptime on demo, but that's ok if youre not actively tanking
sand egret
seeing ~66%
sick sentinel
Boooo
brazen sequoia
why?
sick sentinel
I wanted nim to be forced to make a leech build
lusty grotto
you use reflect when he does the 3rd cast in the combo and he's targetting you
oblique garnet
Unless they have fixed the beastial impacts interaction with intercept
Do not use it on the other tank
brazen sequoia
Someone else told me a few days ago, that intercepting right after cast, wouldn't do impact damage to the other tank
brazen sequoia
Alright
ionic fern
Just leap out.
brazen sequoia
You mean in, right?
ionic fern
I mean
You can also leap while being thrown..there's like a 1s window to pull it off
There you go.
brazen sequoia
thanks ๐
lusty grotto
theres a lot of small improvements you can do
brazen sequoia
But overall it's fine?
lusty grotto
but the big ones are (1) learn how to reflect grip/throw, (2) block smashes
atomic copper
@brazen sequoia i dont know if you are gearing that way on purpose but both of your rings have no haste, and you have mastery gem in one slot as well. in dungeons you wouldn't be punished as bad put itll hurt in raids with low haste
lusty grotto
he has haste on rings
enchant
if you mean the stat, please don't
that mastery gem has to go though
atomic copper
?
brazen sequoia
Yea I know. I were on another realm and the prices were 5k for a haste gem
brazen sequoia
and if I had to go with my haste-rings, they would be pre-uldir
lusty grotto
NO
sand egret
haha there it is
lusty grotto
don't pay attention to what he said
lusty grotto
like i said, if hes talking about the stats on ring he doesn't understand warrior gearing
i dont use STR gems honestly
undone sun
haste is preferable
brazen sequoia
aight
atomic copper
im talking about the main secondary of the gear not the enchant
brazen sequoia
I'm trying to get other rings. It's just hard when they never drop :p
oblique garnet
^
sand egret
dont sweat the rings
lusty grotto
no need to stress over it
sand egret
you just want the most stats you can get on your rings
lusty grotto
you like? @oblique garnet
atomic copper
@fernen its not a mandatory, just makes raid fights a lot smoother
sand egret
preferrably haste, all things equal
lusty grotto
please stop @atomic copper
lusty grotto
๐
brazen sequoia
Well...
sand egret
lol even I got a 420 ring... ๐ค
sick sentinel
have you seen my rings? ๐
sick sentinel
FH and TD ring 415+s+avoid
brazen sequoia
I only get crit rings. In tank spec. Like. the fuck blizzard
lusty grotto
you guys get fucked on rings, i get fucked on trinkets
sick sentinel
๐
lusty grotto
Crit is a good stat
sick sentinel
CRIT IS HUGE THO
lusty grotto
especially for M+
brazen sequoia
Can't be bothered with m+
sand egret
Im personally crit heavy atm
mortal brook
haste heavy mastery 425 socket ring. literally cant get trinkets to drop tho ๐
brazen sequoia
I only like 4-5 of the dungeons and I'd rather watch the Twilight movies than touch the last 3
lusty grotto
๐ค Steve
brazen sequoia
yea
sand egret
im the other side of the spectrum, I feel that way about raids
brazen sequoia
Temple, KR and Shrine. Won't touch them.
atomic copper
@lusty grotto are you talking about raid or m+?
mortal brook
ML is the one i cant be bothered with
lusty grotto
it doesn't matter, don't say that people absolutely need haste rings
for ANY type of content
lusty grotto
that shit is NOT mandatory
mortal brook
eyyy
brazen sequoia
I mean, I have a full haste set, but it's full pre-uldir mythic dungeons (340) gear.. I don't think they'll let me raid BOD mythic in that :p
atomic copper
@umbral citrus so thats the disconnect. what i meant was that the hste rings would make the raid fight smoother overall not mandatory by any means. thats why i prefaced the question with if it was how he was deciding to gear or it was just what he had.
sand egret
although TD is my โnopeโ dungeon, tbh
lusty grotto
do not prioritize haste
sand egret
i hate that place
lusty grotto
ilvl > all
sand egret
Nimbrod o_o
mortal brook
or just let simc decide ^.^
lusty grotto
simc is for dps
sand egret
๐ฌ
mortal brook
darn tootin
lusty grotto
lets stop the misinformation
atomic copper
where is there misinformation?
lusty grotto
again @brazen sequoia your rings are fine
ilvl > all
if you're doing that, you are fine on gear
brazen sequoia
ilvl is prio? So I should 325 Merektha's Fang (https://www.wowhead.com/item=158367/merekthas-fang) +453 str over my equipped trinket? (https://www.wowhead.com/item=165661/ancient-tuskarr-sea-charm) +313 str
I figured it'd be better to use the tuskarr once due to the versatility
umbral citrus
@atomic copper wrong ping? xD
brazen sequoia
I get all the wrong stuff in my chests
atomic copper
@umbral citrus ?
umbral citrus
You pinged me idk why xD i guess you were talkin to nimchip
sand egret
you tagged him instead of Nim_chip_
atomic copper
Yea sorry. Not used to every one in here yet lol
sand egret
One is a cool cat. The other is a dumb chef
brazen sequoia
lol
umbral citrus
๐ ๐ np mate I was just confused
lusty grotto
hold up we're living in the 21st century, i need to update my emoji combo
oblique garnet
What is this discussion even
sand egret
real talk, Tuskarr Sea Charm is dope
lusty grotto
whoa there's no tablet emoji
sand egret
I got used one for a while
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet you missed the best discussion yesterday
me and jettem were trying to explain to blade and ghash what "yeet" means
brazen sequoia
Again thanks guys. I'll keep that in mind until next Thursday ๐ Meanwhile, can you tell me some tips and tricks about the eh... Jadefire Masters? So far, I'm starting on the monk and taking the sevensided slaps. We're changing at 10 stacks or whenever I come down from the trial thing.
oblique garnet
???? They dont know yeet?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel what did you explain what yeet means to them?
brazen sequoia
Rush A
sick sentinel
they are almost opposite
lusty grotto
damn, would explain some things
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
true
sick sentinel
โKOBEโ is for accuracy/precision
โYEETโ is for distance/strength
primal sable
why would you know all this
sick sentinel
memes
sand egret
and soon "warrior are garbage tier lol nerfs" memes ๐ฟ
sick sentinel
all I want from this game right now
is to have a very good mplus tank spec
and be able to play dps in raids
with basically the same gear
I would prefer it if warrior will not get fucked
so I would keep on playing my warr
oblique garnet
I dont even know what i want to play tbht
mint kindle
Isnโt prot warr the best tank with a rdruid?
sick sentinel
yes
oblique garnet
Im not having fun
mint kindle
Fury makes me brain dead
oblique garnet
Nah its not even that kage i miss challenge
mint kindle
Whirlwind into hit anything
sick sentinel
if you think this is how fury is, I wanna see your fury logs lol
mint kindle
I got you raid tonight
oblique garnet
Fury is really simple
mint kindle
But itโs mekka so no whirlwind
mint kindle
I was saying in m+ it gets really repetitive
oblique garnet
There are no hard specs
sick sentinel
you have to get an invite for that
mint kindle
Fr
proper dock
Stupid question Time, I normaly DPS, but when looking over warrior tank logs I am seeing them with multipul stacks of the azerite trait reckless flurry, does that work for in tank spec? or is it just a case of, people did not respect all there gear.
mint kindle
I rely fully on my guild for m+
oblique garnet
It works
proper dock
wow
sick sentinel
@proper dock you can get RF to pad ST logs
oblique garnet
Just increases your AA damage
mint kindle
Proto do a shit ton of damage
sick sentinel
looking at top logs are most of the time not a good idea IMO
mint kindle
Prot*
proper dock
but its only a damage thing, not survivability thing, ok cool. Thanks.
sick sentinel
only a ST damage thing
sick sentinel
you still gear for aoe damage but with a bit defensives side as well
@distant crystal the right one
distant crystal
guessing multisided for def charged for dps
distant crystal
it was a bonus roll
sick sentinel
a sidegreade
oblique garnet
Oof
distant crystal
the mistweaver was pretty bummed
sick sentinel
F
distant crystal
someone else ended up giving her one tho
mint kindle
Always people excuse when they donโt want to trade gear
distant crystal
after an rdruid tried to roll on it lol
sick sentinel
lol
distant crystal
i'm like that is a monk ring, it's literally named after the monk ability on this boss, and it's got amazing stats for every monk spec, and shit stats for rdruid
distant crystal
i think it's worst for brew but it's still good
stone cloud
Legit great for all 3
Haste :lul:
You literally want as little haste as possible
On a brew
sick sentinel
it's really really good for all 3 specs
distant crystal
so it's actually just vers>crit for all three then eh
oblique garnet
?
stone cloud
Stat prop is crit=vers=mastery for dps
sick sentinel
WW wants literally everything else other than haste
oblique garnet
Rofl
stone cloud
And mastery=vers/crit for survival on brew
stone cloud
Yes and no
sick sentinel
same as fury/prot
stone cloud
Ww in raid is vers>crit>mast
distant crystal
same as disc/shadow
sick sentinel
both's ideal setup is healthy amount of haste and then all crit
distant crystal
gimme all ur haste/crit
stone cloud
M+ is vers>mast
oblique garnet
Who cares about raiding LUL
distant crystal
how else you gonna get 425 weaps for keys 4Head
stone cloud
^^^
oblique garnet
I mean im not gonna get those weapons anyways
mint kindle
Seems like haste is best for every class in pvp
oblique garnet
Have yet to roll a 415 one hander
red wedge
My weapon is my lowest item. ๐ฆ
mint kindle
Feelsbadman
analog garnet
6 bonus rolls on champs, a couple on grong
+30-40 M+10s,still 400 both 2h, and tank is 400 w/socket and 405 shield xD
red wedge
i spent a bonus roll on grong every week since week 2, and i only got the shoulders last week.
oblique garnet
I got a 420 shield with socket and speed
distant crystal
got my champs shield on first kill ๐ฎ
oblique garnet
On my shaman
distant crystal
took several weeks to get the chest tho
oblique garnet
I got both the chest and shield from first kill LUL
distant crystal
still bonus roll it praying for forged shield tho
sick sentinel
I got a 420 grong weap
mint kindle
I had to get traded champ 2h
analog garnet
im like 412 but no luck either spec weapons feelsadman
sick sentinel
but a 405 shield
red wedge
I've got the 415 champs shield, and a 405 cudgel from somewhere. Td i think
distant crystal
@oblique garnet I actually got the shield dropped on first kill then swapped lootspec to arms and bonus rolled the weap :p
analog garnet
the dream
oblique garnet
I was talking about one hander
mint kindle
Had a 400 pvp weapon and a 370 pvp weapon for the longest time
oblique garnet
I have 425 dawnbreaker
analog garnet
that would be like almost 1k dps for me lol
distant crystal
also i got 2 415 socket gloves
i keep the other one in my bags in case one of the specs ever wants something besides haste in the socket
stone cloud
๐ฅณ
warm plinth
Sick
oblique garnet
Shame only 415
warm plinth
But if you gotta have a 415, socket+avoidance is the way to have it
distant crystal
leeeeeech
stone cloud
Avoidance better on jaina 4head
distant crystal
hell speed > avoidance
stone cloud
Donโt need speed Iโm a pally
oblique garnet
Avoidance is indeed good for jaina
distant crystal
seize him
oblique garnet
Im rerolling bdk
distant crystal
i just guildhopped
warm plinth
The better tank for the better content
oblique garnet
Fuck it
distant crystal
from a 5/9 guild to an 8/9 guild
stone cloud
Dk/monk for backups
oblique garnet
Im forever benched on jaina
stone cloud
And after the new yesterday gearing up the ole DH tank
distant crystal
where can i find this news
stone cloud
Was on slots stream
distant crystal
i saw people talking about it in here but couldn't find it on mmo
oblique garnet
Well doesnt matter if its devs if they arenkot on the balance team
distant crystal
someone posted a twitch clip yesterday that i thought would be about the nerfs
but it was about towellie standing in oblivion beam and griping about not getting heals
oblique garnet
Its just sloot talking about it
stone cloud
@oblique garnet it was legit a summit to talk about balance and 8.2 stuff
oblique garnet
Its pointless to talk about nerfs and buffs when we will know more next week
stone cloud
And test 8.2
sick sentinel
they literally flew content creators to their offices to discuss with them
about the game
neon tangle
@sick sentinel my guild took 104 pulls to kill Opulence
I wonder how many jaina will take
implying we would even make it that far
stone cloud
So if the guy says something is gonna see some buffs.. pretty high probability itโs gonna happen
warm plinth
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/42939-class-mythic-changes-coming-in-patch-82/ This is the only info we have thus far and it's secondhand via Sloot as Late said.
oblique garnet
I mean yeah you dont have to be influencer or anything to know that vdh and guardian will get buffs
And warrior and outlul rogue will get nerfs
Literally everyone saw this coming
neon tangle
You also dont have to be an influencer to know that prot warrior damage will get touched
p much
oblique garnet
We will know more next week
sick sentinel
Feral isn't bad unfortunately
oblique garnet
feral is really good
sick sentinel
It's not Outlaw
warm plinth
Guys non-meta = bad, don't you know
oblique garnet
Also enchancement is amazing too
warm plinth
enchancement
neon tangle
@sick sentinel right -now- it isn't, it took a pile of buffs through Uldir to get it there
neon tangle
very true
sick sentinel
Are u a shaman? U might as well not exist
warm plinth
I was just being a smartass Late because it's enhancement, not enchancement :p
warm plinth
I tried to be more subtle because no one has been laughing at my word mixup catches lately
It's a bummer
Nope, but I'm fuckin doing it right now. Thank you
sick sentinel
I saw it
oblique garnet
Dude you cant expect me to know all english words since its not my native language like yours @warm plinth smh
warm plinth
I don't even know all english words. It's all good lol
sick sentinel
But I didn't want to give u the pleasure u wanted
warm plinth
That's about right INR lol
sand egret
Ella Enchantment, the newest YA series staring a shy girl who comes into her own after learning to tame the fury of the Elements.
I think you're onto something here @warm plinth @oblique garnet
warm plinth
You're too much today Blade lol
What's that shit you said earlier; I'm trying to find it lol
Oh yeah the fish thing
"Stewart, Vanguard of House Trevor, First of His Name" lol
sand egret
House Trevor, I don't fuck with them any more. Damn Watchers of the Bridge.
warm plinth
I have zero idea wtf you're talking about lol
sand egret
my buddy on the inside is so into this Trevor thing btw....trying to get him to make a comeback
Trevor is the critter in WoW who has the highest kill count out of any critter
and is a descendent of a long line of predatory critters, the Squirrels of Elwynn
warm plinth
Lol what the shit
sand egret
You ever run FH last season on +10 or higher?
warm plinth
Nah my only +10 so far is an AD
sand egret
You happen to remember a certain infested squirrel on a certain bridge
sick sentinel
Fuck u for reminding me of that
warm plinth
From this season
sick sentinel
That was the worst shit ever
sand egret
last season there was a rotation where a critter across the bridge to Harlan would be infested
which, including my runs, had cost me the key due to an infested-born fiasco in the last moments of the timer
sick sentinel
Its the only critter in the mdt to be listed because of that shit
sand egret
claimed a few Prots in this very channel
sand egret
his name is Trevor
and he's the most lethal critter in WoW
at least in BFA for sure
but prob not compared to his ancestors, the Squirrels who killed poor duelists outside of Stormwind who aggroed them with 1 hp.
warm plinth
lolol
sand egret
fun fact: Blizz actually tracks kill counts by individual mobs
I remember at one point in like Cata I wanna say, Hogger was still the number 1 killer of player characters
ah, I think it was Cata actually. Cuz that's when Deathwing shot up on the charts with his zone wide reckage events
warm plinth
Deathwing is a hacker
sand egret
naw, he just popped Avatar.
warm plinth
Definitely specced in UF
sand egret
that's why you spec into Crackling Thunder, folks.
undone sun
huh
umbral forge
Hey guys, what's Crackalacking
WE ARE
laughs
Cause they're probably nerfing our thunderclap, Blade.
sand egret
๐ค now that I think about it....we did get our Prot Artifact from Deathwing....
so maybe he went mad cuz the old gods showed him the 8.2 nerfs?
sand condor
probably ):
sand egret
the old god's are just a personification of player sentiment anywho...
always telling me this shit aint worth it and to just give up and shit
oblique garnet
NotLikeThis
worthy dagger
isnt that the most ST damage u can get?
oblique garnet
You still get more from BoM
worthy dagger
fine, 3 reckless + 3 bom
oblique garnet
Also if youre going on pvp whats your comp?
worthy dagger
oh i dont have a shoulder with bom + that, rip build
oblique garnet
Prot with 1 range dps doesnt work
oblique garnet
Its not even troll
Its cancerous to play against
Nothing and i mean nothing can get away
winter aspen
prot pvp ? how does that work
oblique garnet
Well lets put it this way youre basically unkillable cleave bot that roots every other global
So youre peeling your healer all the time
While cleaving down the opponents
sick sentinel
you are a CC machine
oblique garnet
Not really
worthy dagger
safeguard must be so broken
sick sentinel
I don't even know what the current meta of pvp is
oblique garnet
Nono thats not an issue on prot
wispy sparrow
Run bodyguard as prot pvp against double melee your healer never dies
stiff bear
Tanked my first +15s in time today! i know its nothing special but feelsgood for someone who never tanked til this season xD
oblique garnet
Like prot + dh and druid can beat out most meta comps
winter aspen
I cant even play 3 games without getting triggered af, last season was so much better
stiff bear
got it right first time man ๐
stiff bear
we had 0,05 seconds margin on our tol dagor after messing up huge on last boss xD
hahahaha
warm plinth
Phew, that's a close call
stiff bear
indeed ^^
warm plinth
Were you sweating it or was it just a shocker that you timed it lol
oblique garnet
Maybe ill start playing classic where classes were atleast somewhat more difficult
warm plinth
Better play on a PvE server.
lusty grotto
well that caught me off guard, Late planning to play class... ๐คข ...ic
oblique garnet
Idk im running out of things to do on live
Things that are enjoyable
and specs to play
winter aspen
Im hopping on classic instantly unless warrior is fotm op on live by then
daring marlin
I just want arms to be good
sand egret
then stop focusing on leg day.
winter aspen
Yeah ToS arms
oblique garnet
Guilford give me a class and spec to play
sand egret
oh.
oblique garnet
Yeah leveled it to 120
daring marlin
Ret does some sick burst
oblique garnet
Its dull
sand egret
he's still alli
daring marlin
yuck
sand egret
did you move all over?
sand egret
ahh yeah, im thinking about shifting my pally over.
sand egret
yeah yeah i feel ya
oblique garnet
Guilford is affli fun again?
dense flame
Affi is fine. Personally drain lock in antorus felt better. I hate shadowbolt filler
void quail
A vision of protection?
sick sentinel
if you read about the new neck powers
you will understand
I'm just gonna say, BoM is becoming EVEN MORE BiS with a certain neck thing
sick sentinel
you saw it?
astral crystal
of course
just wonder what the ppm's gonna be on that
though it has no ICD
which is nuts
i hope it goes live like that
it's good for every single tank
astral crystal
right
sloot made it seem like he was somewhat sure it wouldn't but can't trust that
sick sentinel
they said that they want to put stuff for testing earlier
so they have more time
to make changes
before it goes live
astral crystal
trait that charges sotr 50% faster is pretty fucking hype too
prot pally is going to be really nice in 8.2
sick sentinel
I might dread the nerfs
I was ready for them for the first moment though
this bring hype tho
spice ferry
does anyone know how many more weeks of ak we have left?
sick sentinel
I think 2
spice ferry
yeah i thought it was 2
warm plinth
The 23rd is the last increase
spice ferry
yeh then 2. Thanks
umbral forge
AAHSDHASD
IT'S HERE
Unstoppable Force Thunderclap damage reduced to 50% (was 100%).
THEY'RE NERFING VENGEANCE DEMON HUNTERS
chrome falcon
Ughhh that's a real big nerf
undone sun
๐
umbral forge
Demon Spikes: armor reduced to 60% of Agility (was 85%).
chrome falcon
@umbral forge but they're getting 20% more armour baseline so i dunno if that counts as a nerf
umbral forge
it doesn't but GOD I laughed when I just read over these
chrome falcon
excuse me while i jump off the nearest tall object
chrome falcon
it's real big
supple path
I kinda expected a kneejerk into non-VIABILITY.
MDI basically guaranteed a large, overreaction nerf.
chrome falcon
Yeah pretty much
Funny how BDK never got that in legion but we instantly get slammed with it despite them being way more broken than we ever were, but hey
At least it doesn't hurt our raiding viability
supple path
While the rogue 'nerf' is clear evidence that half the dev teams are rogue mains still.
Well...doesn't hurt viability, but does strictly hurt raid performance.
Since that's still a substantial single target DPS nerf
timid jay
#CalledIt
chrome falcon
Well blizzard explicitly said it was coming so I dunno how impressive calling it is
timid jay
๐ก
chrome falcon
But yeah this is dumb and it sucks especially since that talent row is full garbo
timid jay
What
supple path
The nerf was 100% inevitable ever since the announcement that MDI was speed trials of +19s rather than actually pushing 25s or whatnot.
chrome falcon
But we're still super tanky and still probably the best dps tank
astral crystal
we gucci man w/e
timid jay
How is that full garbage
supple path
The talent row is garbage - there are no alternatives to unstoppable force there.
chrome falcon
No obviously UF is still good but the other stuff sucks right
timid jay
Well same can be said for AM
chrome falcon
... it certainly can
chrome falcon
it's a pretty sad state of affairs in the warrior talent tree right now
astral crystal
UF is not garbage wtf
supple path
My resto druid has 2-3 viable talents on most trees.
astral crystal
oh someone said the row was
thought he meant UF as well
MY BAD
regardless if this is it
chrome falcon
Yeah and then immediately corrected to "obviously UF is still good" ๐ fucking reported tbh
timid jay
How often do you really have a choice in rows outside of utility/mobility stuff anyway
chrome falcon
This is a 25% damage to nerf to all TCs in avatar it's a pretty big one
supple path
In a just world that row would have a high single target talent competing with unstoppable force instead of just "AE dps talent." "Better AE dps talent." "Best AE dps talent."
chrome falcon
But yeah we're still best tank dps so I don't give a fuuuuuuuuck
waxen cradle
Meh w/e we will still be ultra tanky and take a otherwise crushing smack to the head and laugh at it, and this is a first pass nerf it may come back up a bit if found to be far too strong a nerf so who knows. Even if not as long as we remain ultra tanky I can live with it
lucid bough
^ just wait
supple path
It's just sort of shitty since if all DPS were equal, warriors would be pretty garbage m+ tanks.
lucid bough
prot pala best tank inc btw
supple path
So them now being concerned about balancing "tank dps" rather than '"balancing tanks" isn't a great sign for us
neon tangle
^^^^
lucid bough
did u see how they changed vengeance?
lol
what trash changes
glad i dont main that
supple path
Vengeance exists to help new havoc demon hunters gear up faster.
waxen cradle
Yeah true lets fix tank dps because honestly were too far into this expac to do what needs to be done to balance tanks seems to be the stance they are going for
supple path
Frustrating because this specific nerf was obviously required the second anyone read the unstoppable force talent at release
so having it be the 'normal' for several months first just makes it feel bad
sick sentinel
i think there nerfing us to soon since dk was top for like 2 seasons or so before they got knocked off
supple path
"So it halves the CD and doubles the damage. I bet this won't have any scaling issues!"
DK was top for 3 years.
we got ~2 months
waxen cradle
Its the whole they giveth and they taketh away mentality blizzard loves
supple path
Yeah, it's blatantly clear that to really push mythics or whatnot you better have multiple classes geared and ready for the fotm balance swap
Which...yeah, I'll quit first.
Classy message then delete there.
umbral forge
Censuras
They're announcing this months in advance
8.2 is probably hitting in July
supple path
Yeah, but it's also still pending more changes
umbral forge
If you're expecting your class to be the #1 option throughout the x-pack
supple path
If it's JUST the one listed UF change...okay.
umbral forge
this isn't your game
chrome grove
^
supple path
I've mained warrior since mid-legion.
chrome grove
Imagine being so entitled you play 1 class and think you deserve to be not nerfed
waxen cradle
That was always there intent though for no one to remain in top forever the pendulum swung in our favor and not it swings away
umbral forge
Well
sick sentinel
then keep maining warrior
umbral forge
In that case you were Warrior in Uldir
lucid bough
"we are pushing changes that are on ptr sooner on live" not 1st time they did this
umbral forge
and whatever we get now will be a lot better than what we were during Uldir
So rejoice
lucid bough
so ya, after MDI spring
sick sentinel
if you play for fun, then have fun dont bitch because you dont have time to level more than 1 warrior
supple path
And got to enjoy...an entire expansion of "LOL UR NOT VIABLE"...then an entire season of "LOL UR NOT VIABLE."...then a couple months of "OP NERF NERF NERF NERF". So not looking forward to what comes next.
chrome grove
Itll just go back to that
umbral forge
haha
chrome grove
You dealt with it once, surely you can do it again, I have faith in you
supple path
I'm not even sure what your point is other than "I hate people who complain." ash
sick sentinel
There's no reason to complain
umbral forge
I wish the classes were so close to each other we could all play vengeance Demon Hunters
sick sentinel
If you're not having fun with prot, quit
compact dagger
I play prot because of the fun play style, i dont care about the damage number attributed to it ๐
supple path
Objecting to incoming nerfs in the future that appear to be a direct response to MDI timetrials != not having fun now better pre-quit
sick sentinel
you're acting like people are begging you to stay
supple path
I'm acting like you're a douchebag
undone sun
hmmm
chrome falcon
"There's no reason to complain" is almost always a dumb statement. This is a big nerf basically immediately after prot got to be strong for the first time in literal years. Let people vent for a bit before you come in and complain about people complaining, jesus
sick sentinel
It's not even that big of a nerf
chrome falcon
It's a pretty big nerf to the thing that made our class unique and fun ๐คท
sick sentinel
Let me vent about about people complaining
supple path
Takes the talent from a 4x tclap DPS modifier to 3x
sick sentinel
smh
chrome falcon
I liked smashing dps meters, I don't get to do that anymore, it sucks
chrome grove
Thunder clap is what makes prot warrior unique and fun?
supple path
By dps standards, that's a fucking huge nerf
chrome falcon
@chrome grove Do you have any other suggestions for what makes us unique? Is it our mitigation which is all but identical to VDH, Prot and Druid?
compact dagger
go play dps or is that too hard for your 2 button smorc mindset
sick sentinel
If you want to see huge numbers, play a DPS lol
fathom hollow
whats wrong with tanks being able to do damage?
chrome grove
How do you consider ignoring 50% of incoming damage with a SPELL REFLECT all but identical to vdh prot and druid?
fathom hollow
i think the game is more fun when they can
chrome grove
mb I forgot that all other tanks can reflect spells
chrome falcon
@chrome grove What? Where are you getting 50% from lmao
supple path
DPS penises erode from their bodies and fall off if they're beaten by tanks, basically.
winter aspen
Is the rogue nerf big ?
astral crystal
legion private server bro
fathom hollow
whats the rogue nerf
winter aspen
Some azerite
chrome grove
Ignore pain is 50%
compact dagger
its not that big
fathom hollow
wits probably got dumpstered
supple path
Their azerite trait that made multiple mobs increase their single target damage got reduced
A laser targeted nerf to address the most narrow angle of mdi dominance possible while having zero impact on other content - because rogues.
chrome falcon
Ignore pain is the least fun and cool ability in the game, I press it and my penis deflates
chrome grove
Not like you have much to deflate anyway
chrome falcon
If ignore pain is what makes prot feel unique and fun to you then jesus that sucks for you
umbral forge
just our DPS
sick sentinel
^
umbral forge
AM works like normal still
chrome grove
Almost like I included spell reflect in there too
umbral forge
we can still tell P'aku "Sit your ass down I'm the Captain now"
chrome grove
Imagine having your character stomp the ground and you go "Yeah buddy, thats why I play prot warrior!"
chrome falcon
Spell reflect is dogshit compared to legion but alright buddy
primal sable
If rogues still have shroud can it really be considered a nerf?
chrome grove
Whether its dogshit or not doesnt change the fact its a unique part of the fucking spec
astral crystal
man i was so spooked they were going to roll back some of the armor buffs
sick sentinel
What the hell did j just walk into, a bunch of randoms talking about somehing that isn't set in stone yet?
waxen cradle
I personally feel part of my soul die when I press IPain... the irony is I feel a true pain as my soul dies when I press it
supple path
I sort of get the feeling that rogues being a locked in part of every single mythic+ group is "by design"
chrome falcon
Yeah dude imagine if they actually gave warrior a unique niche where we deal a lot of dps but are squishy to compensate
winter aspen
Basically 50% dmg nerf
chrome falcon
that'd be a real disaster
umbral forge
......I honestly play Prot Warrior because it appeals to my power fantasy of being THE TANK
Paladins? Fuck them. Holy Warriors squishier than paper.
@sick sentinel https://www.wowhead.com/news=291179/upcoming-class-changes-in-next-weeks-patch-8-2-rise-of-azshara-ptr?webhook/upcoming-class-changes-to-next-weeks-patch-8-2-rise-of-azshara-ptr
winter aspen
Not bad
neon tangle
@sick sentinel it's up in a blue post ?
umbral forge
Blood DK is too spiky
umbral forge
Thyme
umbral forge
If we're not to talk and discuss PTR
there's no reason to have it.
it's subject to change according to our opinions on it
trim yarrow
Itโs not that bad reaping going away soon after that anyways
undone sun
fuck your opinions
waxen cradle
Thank you Thyme I said that above but that was like a whole 5 mins ago and yeah we have gone too far now
primal sable
Lmao
chrome falcon
Obviously this isn't the end of the world, it's just the lamest direction they could have gone with this
umbral forge
Reaping disappearing is the biggest nerf IMO
chrome falcon
^
undone sun
whining now is entirely pointless, fucking wait till we're days till live then complain
sick sentinel
If u want to talk about it, it's fine but until I get this UF nerf in my hands, on live servers I couldn't give two fucks
And not should anyone
astral crystal
by now we should understand what the blizzard ptr update cycle is, ie 'subject to change' means less than a fraction of a chance it'll change significantly, so strap in and take it for what it is honestly, it's not a horrible nerf
chrome falcon
If they added infested back into the game right now, BDK would be the best tank again
umbral forge
I'm not whining I'm laughing at the fact they nerfed VDH
supple path
They didn't nerf VDH, they're trying to shift more of its defenses to passives so it's less spiky/CD reliant
sick sentinel
So enjoy what we have now and then cry when 1/3 of these rerollers leave
undone sun
not pointed directly at you jett
umbral forge
@supple path Shhh
undone sun
just whoever is bitching at the 50% change
umbral forge
let me have my laugh
primal sable
If you get the nerf on live, isnt it a bit late to complain?
chrome falcon
Are we not allowed to feel bad that we're getting nerfed Thyme
sand egret
calllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeed it
chrome falcon
Or are you memeing
umbral forge
I literally opened this up expecting to see VDH buffed
First thing I read is "Demon Spikes: armor reduced to 60% of Agility (was 85%)."
chrome falcon
Is the prot warrior discord not the appropriate place to tell fellow prot warriors that it sucks that we're getting nerfed
undone sun
you can feel bad all you want, but keep it to yourself or dont start insulting others
keep it calm
sick sentinel
It's too late to complain when we called this shit MONTHES AGO
undone sun
absolutely no reason to start flipping tables
umbral forge
I like it though
astral crystal
:thyme:
undone sun
because no one else is doing it @umbral forge
undone sun
this channel is void of it
sick sentinel
Good
sand egret
are people legit surprised by this UF nerf? just tuning in now
sick sentinel
Yes
chrome falcon
It's just very funny to me that rogue's nerf is so well targeted and precise and we just get SLAMMED by the 50%
waxen cradle
I said pretty early if that is the major extent of nerfs I would be beyond happy because as long as we remain ultra hahahah you hit me I could not tell I will be happy as hell
sand egret
oh boy
chrome falcon
No, we're not surprised, they confirmed this was happening days ago
supple path
I'm surprised that the prot warrior nerf was massively larger than the rogue nerf.
chrome falcon
Yeah @supple path I agree
winter aspen
This was long time coming
supple path
Well less surprised and more "not surprise but mad"
umbral forge
these are the first
winter aspen
30k dps ovrl tank lol
umbral forge
there's going to be more
chrome falcon
It was not a long time coming we've been powerful for like 3 months
sick sentinel
Can u guess who's shocked? Cause I can smell the bitch from these re-rollers
"Oh no my damage"
winter aspen
Thats long time coming for warrior
sand egret
UF provided a 4x scalar since 8.0
umbral forge
Mate I'm a Tinkerer main.
sand egret
if you didn't see that as a problem then
sick sentinel
I will say this again and again and again
sand egret
then you really don't know how to judge balance
sick sentinel
I fucking HATE re rollers
sand egret
end point.
chrome falcon
@sand egret So... blizzard's design team then
supple path
I mean there's no denying that prot warriors who don't pick up the UF talent were underpowered garbage.
So they basically were balancing around that scalar.
sand egret
but anywho I'm happy
chrome grove
Imagine getting used to something being op, knowing its op, and then whining when they fix it
hushed cobalt
100%>50% seems a bit steep off the bat
sand egret
its a 4x scalar
sick sentinel
Nah it's good
undone sun
10% overal damage nerf
sky is falling, sell all stocks 4head
sand egret
that's insane
astral crystal
monk still not touched though ๐ค
winter aspen
10% ???
steep moss
Just chill till you get the full picture, new affix, new essences, also only first batch of changes
chrome falcon
Yes, it's a 25% nerf to TC damage during Avatar
winter aspen
TC is 80% ovrl in m+
hushed cobalt
I don't know the other talents in the row sadly
chrome falcon
TC is not 80% overall in m+
lucid bough
TC almost 50%
chrome falcon
It's like 60% max
supple path
I've never broken 70%, my highest is mid 60s, usually 50s
lucid bough
40-45 most of time
austere oar
Did the nerf patchnote drop already ?
undone sun
@hushed cobalt neither are even worth mentioning, even if UF gets nerfed harder
yes @austere oar
winter aspen
70%+
lucid bough
dragon roar
sand egret
damn homie with the links on point as always
chrome falcon
holy shit i forgot we have dragon roar
umbral forge
nah
winter aspen
Unless you running some dumb azerite
umbral forge
Revenge Meta.
hushed cobalt
Let dagon roar be affected by AM
supple path
I will tell you the one thing about the change that actually does trigger me is this line, "This talent was adding more damage than necessary"
sand egret
well, Thyme's got this. But hey, them Thrash buffs amirite?
chrome falcon
I'm looking forward to the Essence ability that does aoe damage based on our max hp
undone sun
haHAA
chrome falcon
Line that up with LS and RC
supple path
Like each point of damage is begrudged and they don't want it to be more than NECESSARY.
austere oar
But what the fuck with veng dh
chrome falcon
For about 100k damage per target when patch hits
sick sentinel
Unlike these knuckle heads who don't know shit about prot who are screaming about some dumbass dps nerf, I'll wait for the actual nerfs to come out
undone sun
for once INR is making sense
inland mesa
That's a weird place to nerf, I figured they would stop BoM from stacking
chrome falcon
@sick sentinel Dude could you chill on the insane toxicity holy shit
sick sentinel
YO
umbral forge
please don't casually attack people in your messages though, it just creates more drama ^
sick sentinel
WE PREDICTED THAT
umbral forge
KAEGE
chrome falcon
People are unhappy that they're getting nerfed
supple path
Every nerf has the clash - the people upset about the nerf, and the people waaaay more upset about people being upset.
sand egret
@carmine leaf its the exact place to nerf. UF, as they mentioned, provided a 4x damage increase in that window
iron osprey
Damn dude imagine people being surprised at prot numbers being adjusted poggers
undone sun
people can be unhappy all they want, but when they start over exaggerating and throwing bullshit ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
supple path
I wish they'd shifted more of our damage to other abilities instead of just doing a straight numbers nerf to tclap though.
warm plinth
Lol "a neutral-to-very-slight increase when Demon Spikes is active", so now not only will their CD be completely unimpactful, but their AM button will be too ๐
supple path
let devastate one shot explosive orbs please (
umbral forge
I have literal higher burst AoE on my Prot Warrior than over half the AoE classes in the game linked to a CD on a less than a minute long cooldown
It's broken
chrome falcon
@undone sun I'm not, and no-one else is, meanwhile the people whining about people being unhappy they're getting nerfed are throwing around " knuckle heads who don't know shit about prot"
steep moss
Man , can you blame them @undone sun ? I really hate the prot warrior class fantasy and playstyle after reading the patch notes ๐
astral crystal
yikes you nibbas gotta take it easy
chrome falcon
Now he's spamming in all caps
sand egret
woof, time to dip outta this s hit
hushed cobalt
I wanna see the animation on roar
umbral forge
see ya bladesong
sand egret
INR, you should chill tho
umbral forge
yeet outta here
hushed cobalt
Maybe it's cool
iron osprey
A nerf would be bringing us back to a pre-7.2.5 Nighthold state
iron osprey
@undone sun remember how much fun Mythic Star Auger was if you weren't a druid??
sick sentinel
I've said my peace I'm gong back to islands
iron osprey
๐
undone sun
yes
chrome falcon
https://gyazo.com/6e4bfae20d1d93a0c4b59243371a517b Like do you guys enjoy getting nerfed?
undone sun
of course, Nighthold was a disaster for warrior
chrome falcon
Are you spys from the BDK discord?
undone sun
at least most of hte bosses
warm plinth
Thyme had a druid main anyway so he was like "brb switching toons" for that fight (at least I feel like he was maining druid at the time)
inland mesa
So isnt that like 25% overall damage to clap, so instead of 20k we are doing 15k?
chrome falcon
Yes
iron osprey
Damn dude, the searing brand emoji is gone
chrome falcon
So it's really not that big of a nerf, we're still the best tank dps
supple path
I really wish they'd found a way to do it that hadn't also nerfed single target dps.
inland mesa
But it still hits everything...so, and we will have more gear to scale
steep moss
Wait till 8.2 when the whole meta reshapes
chrome falcon
The most relevant thing to our viability is going to be the new seasonal affix anyway
supple path
"This target does magic damage to the tank until death gripped or ring of peaced"
chrome falcon
The biggest reason prot is m+ viable now instead of before is that infested completely fucked our only strength
undone sun
6-10% nerf, big deal
winter aspen
6% lul
inland mesa
Yeah the damage is nice and all but the fact that we make reaping not relevant is the biggest thing
winter aspen
Delusional
viral arch
@winter aspen acherus did the sims for you
waxen cradle
I think I will do the infinitely stupid thing and wait and see what else changes as if this is the biggest change we see I will breath a massive sigh of relief
sick sentinel
looks like
supple path
"Youโre going to see changes that are close to the following in the first build of the Rise of Azshara PTR (coming next week)."
sick sentinel
I am not rerolling
winter aspen
Nobody cares about ST ?????
sick sentinel
prot for life