you can play feral then
#protection
outer dew
but can it meld?
lusty grotto
did you
outer dew
🤔
lusty grotto
really do male belf
primal crypt
I did
primal crypt
I wanted bigger shoulders 😦
outer dew
that's pretty gay
primal crypt
it's not that gay
lusty grotto
your fucking paladin has a diamond
primal crypt
yeah
outer dew
it's okay yamo
primal crypt
someone traded it to me
outer dew
we accept you for who you are
primal crypt
said I had shit trinkets
mint adder
wait, have changes been announced?
lucid bough
Thunderclap nerf btw
Now reads " Heals all enemies within 12 yards for 6 *(Attackpower - 150) damage and increases their movement speed by 25% for 10 sec"
lusty grotto
lol
primal crypt
LMAO
lusty grotto
instead of finishing them
primal crypt
nim, lets go do a key
primal crypt
unfortunate
lusty grotto
im running pugs tonight probably, i gotta get my key up cause i alt+f4d with pugs
dropped it from 16 to 13?
or some shit like that
primal crypt
I have stormwall prog tonight 😦
lusty grotto
😮
undone sun
hmmm
outer dew
very fiesty
primal crypt
damnit
primal crypt
yes
primal crypt
this is a 17 KR
primal crypt
LOL
outer dew
i mean
ocean acorn
holy yam
outer dew
rdruid hp is fine
ocean acorn
your gear wtf
sand egret
285k IN BEAR?!?
sand egret
that's like a 350 ilvl
sand egret
that's a yikes
outer dew
his other friends
primal crypt
full on jebaited me
primal crypt
pog
ocean acorn
we are on same realm but i never see u
primal crypt
Because I dont log on unless it's Tues or Thursday
I log on for raid for 6 hours and log off
at least until things start picking up
ocean acorn
have you stopped pushing?
ocean acorn
ya i didnt get any upgrades last week
primal crypt
didn't make it because my dps left
ocean acorn
my grp died cuz of finals
primal crypt
kind of fell off on the need to push
outer dew
it's esp terribad in alliance
ocean acorn
i havent done a key this week yet
primal crypt
getting people together right now is like pulling teeth
outer dew
keys are rare and pugging is ass
ocean acorn
i have set ppl i run with
primal crypt
everyone is in burn out mode
ocean acorn
ppl asked me to run a 19 shrine last week
we almost timed it but the one dps we had didnt kick
he called it in coms
and we used 3 brezes
he missed it every time
idk how he got 2k
ocean acorn
lol no
ocean acorn
the dh in our grp was good
i guess it was a boosted outlaw
he messed up the bidge shroud
cuz he walked thru the mobs
like what
empty inlet
Handsome group timed a 23 with like 5 minutes left was insane 🐱
primal crypt
HOLY SHIT
ocean acorn
not that bad
empty inlet
Drop the hunter and the priest:)
outer dew
yikes
ocean acorn
ya they might be switching to Rdruid here for keys
outer dew
in all honesty, bm hunter is fairly strong
lusty grotto
lol that's a boss
empty inlet
Why play bm hunter when you can play monk or rogue
ocean acorn
it is a boss
outer dew
we could of asked ourselves that question last season
lusty grotto
hey guys lets just dispel these minions
empty inlet
Unholy is actually insane If you heavily play around it :)
outer dew
why did we play prot warrior instead of bdk
empty inlet
Because pre bonestorm nerf bdk was insane :)
ocean acorn
ya pulling with reaping on to bosses is pretty fun
lusty grotto
because we don't care about meta
ocean acorn
u think a warrior would still beat it?
outer dew
no
because you have a 5 pulls
which let you pull retard huge
and bonestorm DK was doing insane damage
lusty grotto
hey hey
empty inlet
Warrior would beat the prenerf dk for sure :)
outer dew
you're underestimating how much bonestorm set up retard pulls
lmao
bonestorm DK could do pulls we'd never imagine doing
lusty grotto
yo
now that you say boosted outlaw
outlaw ios are super inflated
i dont trust io when inviting rogues anymore
sand egret
If this Null Dynamo Neck thing plays nice with IP..... 👌
honest frigate
It’s more like 1/5
lusty grotto
according yo my calculations
outer dew
but it's the same for prot warrior
lusty grotto
yeah well i've been lucky
outer dew
you saw the shawruss guy on MDI?
honest frigate
I’ve met 2.8k-3k rogues who don’t know simple mechanics in m+
outer dew
lol
lusty grotto
kinda makes sense why everyone whispered me for keys before being burned out
but yeah i'd say rogues are a lot more required than warriors that's for sure
honest frigate
Here’s to hoping they only nerf warrior damage so we stay strong in m+ still. Otherwise I’m on to the prot pally
lusty grotto
which is why i MOST DEFINITELY CALLED THE SHROUD NERF
honest frigate
There’s a shroud nerf coming?
lusty grotto
that's the word on the grapevine
sand egret
🍇
honest frigate
Interesting. What would be cool is if they gave the heart of Azeroth a shroud
Rogues would get phased out for higher dps specs
outer dew
see
sand egret
Nimstradamus
lusty grotto
almost as good as "there's gonna be a bug on this user story"
almost
i always nail that one
😄
outer dew
try nailing me instead :^)
outer dew
LMAO
lusty grotto
i should invest in a voice changer
outer dew
same tbh
sick sentinel
Has the reporting for all nerfs/buff finshed or is more still coming in?
inland plover
Major Power: Your next death is prevented, and you instead regenerate to 10% of your maximum health and take 85% reduced damage for up to 10 sec or until you are healed above 70% health.
lulwut
dense flame
I mean we are definitely due for a TC adjustment?
sand egret
haven't seen anything on class-specific stuff
inland plover
dense flame
Like changes for VDH
Bear Druid
I’m surprised blizzard didn’t like reaping
And why they liked infested
sand egret
yeah still nothing about classes from what I can see
they wanted reaping to be an OH SHIT moment
not a "meh let's pad on the boss"
primal sable
blizzard is just antifun
primal sable
theyre not the ones paying the bills tho
small fable
at azerite vendor, should i go for token that'll be the biggest ilvl upgrade?
sand egret
actually, they are
small fable
or based on droptimizer
sick sentinel
Like I said eariler
sand egret
I usually save for the 415 of my worst slot @small fable
and after they're all 415, i random the same slot that's the worst out of those
small fable
worst slot is sort of relative tho?
sick sentinel
This is the same company whos game devs think that if a design is bad in THEIR EYES but the players actually like it, fuck you
small fable
ok
sand egret
players would like it if everyone did 1000000000 damage and could one shot bosses
small fable
might lose my only BoM tho?
sand egret
not a very good move tho
but players have also never ever wanted something they'd regret later too
nope
pretty skewed opinion, imho
sick sentinel
If u want to be that guy who says players would like to one shot bosses, yeah no shit
eager tartan
Somehow Blizzard doesn't like aoe galore in mythic + and wants the old days of CC to return
sick sentinel
Because thats cherry picking something complete stupid and moronic
eager tartan
But yeah then they create reaping
sand egret
no it's dismantling an hyperbolic position
sick sentinel
"All players want to one shot a boss" oh really? I would never have guessed that
sand egret
if I had to take a stab it's that AoE requires no thought
and compounds on itself
some AoE can, but that's like well designed aoe packs
sick sentinel
If ur going to use a gotcha answer, then its pointless to actually look at what I meant by devs removing things players liked/want
sand egret
but if the go-to strat is pull everything and not give a fuck
eager tartan
Problem is you cant deliver classes able to do shit loads of damage in seconds
At the same time you create content to penalize such way of playing
sand egret
it does and those parts are good, something I think they wanted to leverage more
but I don't think the affix did as much as they wanted
sick sentinel
The affix isn't Infested levels of challenging
sand egret
in terms of overall dungeon impact. In fact, due to reaping, skips became MORE a thing imho
since its like fuckkk mini bosses I gotta fight TWICE
I think in their ideal world they want a M+ key to be something that you solve per pack based on the affix and that puzzle also changes per season. When you can ignore mechanics entirely, or just blow through them via AoE shitfests, that's going against how they intended.
primal sable
that sounds like a mini boss issue, not a reaping issue
sand egret
it's a lot of issues haha
primal sable
maybe it would be a good idea not to have shitty minibosses
sand egret
but reaping is part of it
I mean, I like reaping don't get me wrong. But I can see why they would think that way
umbral forge
Seasonal affixes are dumb but I love them
umbral forge
Relentless
primal sable
i want an affix that grants all trash packs true vision
umbral forge
Same
primal sable
cause fuck rogues and fuck everything that stealths
sand egret
i'm telling ya, the mind control/go hostile thing is gonna be the affix
primal sable
i hate that parrot that poops on me in the start of freehold
umbral forge
Imagine if it was there for the entire dungeon.
And the poo had the same property as Sanguine - just that it doesn't heal boss enemies - it increases the damage of boss enemies instead.
primal sable
i think just having a bird follow you around all run and shit on you is challenging enough
sand egret
so you just get random damage amp pools that appear?
sand egret
so they're pre-placed?
primal sable
but then people could just bait them and blizzard would be mad they got outplayed
umbral forge
Cause if throthrak was hit while spinning or the cannon (word the bot would delete my comment for) while casting in tol
Not exactly. There's a parrot flying Overhead
Who poops sanguine pools on the party during combat
warm plinth
Can you imagine that affix in Waycrest
sand egret
hmm sporadic damage amps on bosses won't go over well on Tyr weeks haha. That's a lot of scaling to account for
warm plinth
shudders
umbral forge
Yeah fair
desert ice
Why is a bird pooping blood. Will I need to get tested for Bird Influenza after?
umbral forge
Could give bosses an absorb capped at 1m maybe
sand egret
I dont think they like to mess with bosses, but that could totally change if S3 was boss-oriented
as bosses are way more finely tuned than trash
Just thinking of the edge cases you'd have to cover for that one....haha
umbral forge
I just like to imagine the worst affixes possible so that when they announce the next affix that reduces damage taken from AoE abilities by 75% I'll think "eh that's not too bad"
"Food and drink do not restore mana or health"
sand egret
honestly I hope its really nuts
desert ice
I thought I was in the Balance discord, originally came here to see if there was any Warrior 8.2 info. Y’all so chill in this discord. 9/10 community.
sand egret
nothing that ive seen yet, Astro
umbral forge
I now live here
sand egret
but word on the street is "nerfs"
umbral forge
Bladesong is one of my favorite Americaijins
primal sable
i'm reading the wowhead post and it mentions warrior nerfs only numerically
does that mean they'll slow down the spec?
or just cut the damage
sand egret
means like UF going from 100% to 50%
umbral forge
Maybe add IP to GCD
sand egret
it's just that, numerical values are being tuned. not mechanics
BoM nerfs mebbe, TCLap most likely (prob within the Avatar window itself)
primal sable
im ok with damage being cut, but i still want to clap as often as i am now
sand egret
they'll hit the damage part of UF and keep the CDR the same, id imagine
warm plinth
I can see Unstoppable Force getting the bulk of the nerfs tbh
sand egret
100% scaling on an ability is dumb
warm plinth
On the damage increase to clap
desert ice
Tbh I think as long as they don’t gut warrior DPS they’ll still be strong in M+. Avatar / Demo up on every pull is really nice to help set up everything. Cooldowns are strong, good survivalbility.
And warrior intake is very smooth and consistent
sand egret
means anything they do to TClap has to be "but what does that do with UF active...."
they're most definitely going to hit our dps haha
definitely not gonna feel good, but if they even the playing field its good overall
desert ice
I said don’t ‘gut’
sand egret
well depends on you ask....that could mean literally any change
desert ice
As long as it’s still around or slightly above other tanks I think it will be fine.
But knowing Blizzard...
sand egret
after all, if you rerolled to war FOR THE DEEPZ....you're probably not gonna like any adjustment
umbral forge
I rerolled to Warr cause Heroic Leap.
And its my first character so its more like "coming home"
sand egret
I actually made my warrior for Charge, myself
primal sable
i rerolled cause my buddy wanted to level something from scratch with me
sand egret
but leap is what brought me back
but i'm also a weird one that couldn't give a shit about my dps as a tank. I play it to be a brick shithouse, not a dps that gets extra healer attention
umbral forge
Warrior was always my #1 Alt.
In BfA I made it my main.
And I'm Nightborne, wouldn't want it any other way.
primal sable
but i wanna mog other tanks with my deeps
desert ice
Tbh is just feels very smooth to play. Usually always have a CD up, avatar / Demonalwas up on the pull to help set up (which is the hardest part about pulling in dungeons, the first 10 seconds), and spell reflect helps so much.
desert ice
Safeguard is pretty legit to
sand egret
it's a fantastic talent that does something to the spec that makes it feel whole, and that's giving the player actual control over their cooldown-heavy mitigation.
I play better, I perform better. That loop just feeds into itself in a very gratifying way.
primal sable
every spec should have something similar to AM
umbral forge
There's few things as satisfying as watching Grong punch on you for days with your health essentially not moving only for the off-tank to taunt off and dip down to 70% each hit.
Anger Management is fantastic
sand egret
A few could really use it (baseline Feed The Demon, for starters)
inland mesa
Aww we are getting nerfed for season 3 :( with reaping gone doesnt that solve most of it?
oblique garnet
It should
orchid token
@primal sable several specs do. Monks get more brews the better they do their rotation, including Fortifiying Brew. That would be more noticeable if Purifying brews actually mattered, since they don't, but it's still the same core mechanic. And paladins have the same thing in a couple of spots, namely Judge reducing SOTR CD and the talent Righteous Protector in turn using SOTRs to reduce wings and self heal CD
and DKs get reduction on vampiric blood
they aren't as universal across the whole spec like warrior CDs but its still the same mechanic
fickle urchin
blizzard has separate departments for instance affixes and class balance, and they dont communicate. I thought everyone knew this.
swift pier
Only got one so that would be nice 😄
orchid token
That would be an example of blizzard correctly identifying a subtle but significant core cause of an imbalance
So it will not happen
fickle urchin
knowing them they ll reduce rage gen, or increase cooldowns.
or put cooldowns on shit that shouldt have it
orchid token
really depends on how accurate blizzard's perspective on the word "numerical" is
swift pier
Yep
orchid token
a nerf to the size of the CDR on anger management is technically totally numerical and from blizzard's perspective the "class fantasy" of warriors being built around avatar windows is still intact
fickle urchin
"6 is a number"
orchid token
but from our point of view thats far more than a numerical change
since it affects the core gameplay loop
lusty nova
so for reaping, is there any specific mob that needs to be faced away from the group or that I need threat on no matter what?
orchid token
lost souls and risen souls you need threat on
but none of them are "no matter what"
fickle urchin
dps can take some caster hits
orchid token
if a Dps has the entire wave worth of risen souls on them they'll get the debuff stacked up super fast
but one or two loose ones won't even be noticed
lusty nova
okay and the lost soul circle doesnt need to be faced away or anything?
orchid token
dont compromise your own survivability by running around with your back to the wave trying to chase loose mobs
facing it away helps a little bit but don't compromise your own survivability to do so
the circle is mostly centered underneath the mob
with a slight bias to being in front of it, I think like 2/3rds of the circle is in front of them
but it's not that hard to dodge regardless
for DPS
circle is not your responsibility
nor is chasing down a risen soul that's bashing on a mage who is 30 yds away form you
fickle urchin
its their fault not yours if they get hit by the shadowcrash
orchid token
if a mage has aggro on a risen soul and sits at range instead of bringing it to you that's on him
not worth dragging the entire wave over there especially if the casters have already been stacked up nicely
fickle urchin
on mage it tend to drop a blizzard on the pack, and stand on the other side, so initial blizzard tics dont make them walk away from the tank towards me, but through the tanks area
lusty nova
awesome, thats some great advice guys
orchid token
the two core pieces of focus you should have on reaping waves personally are
stack up casters as much as you can
and minimise your risen soul stacks
shockwave into spell reflect lets you spell reflect 1 stack from every risen soul simultaneously, and taking advantage of any slwos and stuns the group has to not be in melee range is good too
orchid token
not the cast
fickle urchin
dont fret about that melee dps whos ST-ing a caster spirit, and remember to save avatar for reaping if you want to have fun
orchid token
tormented souls dont reliably target you so it isn't worth trying to SR them, focus on reflecting that
also, doing reaping with trash where possible substantially speeds up your run and while it isn't without risk it also isn't as scary as you might think
reaping is ultimately very easy once you get used to it
lusty nova
oh yeah, so is it better to hold off on demo shout/avatar for an upcoming reaping pull in say....30 seconds?
orchid token
I wouldn't hold demo shout
fickle urchin
avatar yes, for sure
orchid token
if demo shout & avatar are both up and reaping is in 30 secs I'd hold avatar
and use demo
because demo will easily be back up
lusty nova
oh okay...so demo shout and avatar dont need to be lined up . Or do you need to line them up later?
orchid token
??
they will be lined up
if you have 30 seconds until a reaping wave and both are off CD then demo shout will be back off CD in 30 seconds easily
and you can line them up then
lusty nova
oh yeah, okay, so ideally, want them paired for the synergy
steel mauve
extra damage?
fickle urchin
ah
oblique garnet
Pretty much
orchid token
idk why you're asking that even though
there is no point at which you'll ever avatar without a demo shout up
it's impossible unless you completely balls up the rotation
and use one or the other wrong
lusty nova
yeah, it would mainly be due to not playing correctly haha
fickle urchin
i dont main as tank right now, I just use demo for rage or if something is hitting really hard.
i completely missed that it buffs dmg
orchid token
demo is a rotational ability
lusty nova
i was just asking just in case, but ya, shouldnt really apply once i get more used to war
lusty nova
minus if a reaping swam is coming soon?
orchid token
in that situation you would only ever hold avatar, not bot habilities
since demo will be back up
sand egret
ill hold on Av if im about to pop a reap
but not like for an entire pack
a huge element of the Prot learning curve is learning what your cooldowns timers are. As they will depend on how you play
and will vary between players/situations
lusty nova
okay, thats some good advice...and yes, I am new to prot (just came back recently) so I appreciate all the info
sand egret
so if its a fatty pack but leads into reap, you'll get a lot of rage to burn
so that Avatar will be up a lot faster
orchid token
its also going to be better to do a reaping pack without avatar than to do a trash pack without avatar
lusty nova
okay, thats a good scenario, big pack into reaping....avatar on the big pack in order to get avatar back up sooner?
orchid token
so if you're going into a trash pack that will cause reaping and avatar is up just use it and maybe avatar will come up halfway through reaping
oblique garnet
I did a fh 20 earlier and i think i got avatar 2 times on one pack and it lined up for reaping right after it
sand egret
but I wouldn't sweat that optimizing as generally you want to be liberal with your cooldown usage as time not using it means you'll have that much less uses overall
lusty nova
oooh okay noted
sand egret
like Late said, if he held that shit, that's 40 seconds of insane dps lost
oblique garnet
But to get avatar back really fast means that you have to spend alot of rage on the packs
fickle urchin
you guys never hold demo as a defensive?
orchid token
never
oblique garnet
And if im holding avatar for 40 seconds im most likely dying
sand egret
yeah, that's the other part. So there's actually an incentive to pull big
orchid token
the only defensive you don't use on CD is shield wall
fickle urchin
I know late is a pro, but what key level do you run necrys?
sand egret
since bigger pulls = more rage = faster cds
sand egret
tbh I use SWall pretty liberally
fickle urchin
i ll take your word for it, thaks for the heads up
orchid token
SW is definitely used very liberally
sand egret
its basically on cd for me
orchid token
but it's okay to hold it for a minute or so if you know you have a good spot for it coming up
oblique garnet
I pretty much only use sw to compensate on gaps
orchid token
unlike demo where you'll never hold it for any reason ever
oblique garnet
And when theres heavy magic damage inc
orchid token
like for example in our waycrest time trial even though i'm tanking goliath + matron in the courtyard at the same time
I knew i needed shield wall for the maggot hallway
so I didn't use it when it came up on the boss
sand egret
the more I think about it the more I realize it's so much on feel for me
orchid token
to survive actually pulling it
oblique garnet
Or whatwere the affixes
oblique garnet
Fort or tyr?
orchid token
fort
oblique garnet
Ah
orchid token
and we only ran one rogue who was busy resetting Raal so I had to pull the whole hallway alone
maggots dotting me up on the way back was lethal
orchid token
idk why they would have, if you're running two rogues you make the rogue do it
oblique garnet
Lightfoot around the corner and back when you are at the edge shockwave should stop the spits
orchid token
it stopped most of them
but one or two would usually get through
I usually got back to healer at 30-40% hp
oblique garnet
Huh
orchid token
without SW that'd be 5-10% which was too close a margin for my liking
oblique garnet
Yh i guess
lusty nova
oh, you guys mentioned defensive cd usage. Is it Shield Block x2 > Last Stand > Shield Block x2?
orchid token
the way I handled it was tiger's lust to the corner, fear, lightfoot to the end and back, shockwave, then heroic leap out
oblique garnet
I got hit by the ban wave so never actually got to do the mdi😪
orchid token
Shield Block x3 -> Last Stand
sand egret
SB x 3 but yeah
lusty nova
how is it SBx3?
sand egret
that 3rd SB should be up within ~ 3 seconds depending on your haste
sick sentinel
Wait @oblique garnet u got banned?
oblique garnet
Noni
lusty nova
oh okay...so theres a small gap
oblique garnet
2 players in my team did
sick sentinel
ah
oblique garnet
Even though i used the xp pot exploit aswell
fickle urchin
i m so mad they did nothing about the cauldron abusers
sand egret
yeah, but that gap if often moot with things like swing timers, random casts, movement, etc.
fickle urchin
ruined my profits for the rest of the expac as herbalist
fickle urchin
i noticed a huge drop in earnings
sick sentinel
I just wait for a prosperity proc
sick sentinel
Just be me
oblique garnet
I only sell boosts for money so
sick sentinel
I buy the herbs when they are at their lowest
An enchanter/alchy
Make everything for free
and then I just make like 200 or so
I am eng alchy
my current gold is all from being lucky
orchid token
you can also stretch it to SB x 4 if you really want to
sick sentinel
boe/islands boe
orchid token
complete 100% coverage of SB is unnecessary most of the time
sick sentinel
I also made money from making my sanguicells into feasts and selling them
orchid token
If you leave a second or two of downtime between each SB by the time the third one runs out you should almost have the fourth
fickle urchin
you can shockwave after third SB i guess
oblique garnet
Kage i should do that
orchid token
not even shockwave
oblique garnet
Like actually going broke at this rate
orchid token
its good practise on tyrannical bosses in general
since they live so long that you'll inevitably have gaps
and its better to have many small gaps than one big one
sick sentinel
YO
oblique garnet
Theres not many bosses where youre tanking all the time tho
sick sentinel
DID YOU LOOK AT NOTES
orchid token
in M+ there is
sick sentinel
blizz knows
"Motherlode is a big problem as far as trash goes, Blizzard is uncertain what to do with it."
orchid token
proactively spacing out your shield blocks ahead of time rather than allowing yourself to get into a situation where you don't have one for 6+ seconds is going to help
fickle urchin
i owe 500k lol. Talk about being broke 😃
oblique garnet
Nono there are bosses in m+ that have a sort of breather where they dont melee you
orchid token
oh that's what you mean
sick sentinel
yeah sometimes you just don't get hit for 1s]
so if you space it out a bit
you get 4
sand egret
"Kiss/curse affixes don't fit in any of the current affix buckets (+4 and +7), so they feel those would need a separate bucket." 👀
orchid token
fucking weird-ass design philosophies getting in the way of cool shit
sick sentinel
what is a kiss/curse affix
sand egret
a double edged affix
orchid token
treacherous covenant style
sand egret
like more damage more damage taken
sick sentinel
oh
orchid token
they showcased one leading into s2 but it never happened
actually i think going into Legion beta there was one too
sand egret
you don't put those in the learning curve, so I'd see that be a later affix imho
oblique garnet
Please people are already struggling timing 10s adding more affixes to sub 10s would kill them
orchid token
i think it was literally treacherous covenant actually
fickle urchin
thy need to kill off some affixes not add more. So many of them are so bad.
sick sentinel
They are removing a few @fickle urchin
oblique garnet
They need to kill sanguine
orchid token
they replaced it with grievous
oblique garnet
It just has to go
orchid token
they dont need to kill sanguine just revert it to the original Legion incarnation
sand egret
sang and bolster, imho
sick sentinel
my healer likes grievous 🤷
fickle urchin
I literally hate every affix except Tyr/Fort and reaping.
sick sentinel
Some affixs are being looked at be removed and FINALLY
sand egret
both are just straight up annoying
sick sentinel
she's kind of a masochist
sand egret
i mean it is the affix that puts them to work
sick sentinel
they are going to balance M+ around the affix and not the dungeon
sand egret
so i can see that
sick sentinel
Which thank god
orchid token
back in Legion sanguine took 2 seconds before it triggered when dropped
oblique garnet
My healer likes grievious aswell because he actually gets to heal
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they buffed it in Legion because it was too easy and it was fine in Legion with all the open space but BfA dungeons are cramped as fuck
orchid token
the problem with grievous is just
it triggers too early in a BFA world
there's too much minor unavoidable damage going around that triggers grievous
sand egret
well overflow was just SUPER healer biased
fickle urchin
i d love it if the main difficulty came from the key level. It would make comparing epeen a lot more straight forward.
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80% would be a sweet spot for grievous
fickle urchin
Imagine m+ with only fort/tyr and the seasonal. Oh man.
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@fickle urchin no kidding actually one of the first things we did on the tournament realm was try a +30 with no affixes
fickle urchin
oh man
sand egret
i'd be bored to tears tbh
fickle urchin
i d love it.
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and it was a lot of fun just ding the dungeon with a shit ton of damage and HP but no annoying shit to get in the way
that said
sick sentinel
please don't do taht
orchid token
I am glad live has the rotation of affixes
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as much as we don't like it sometimes, forced variety is good
fickle urchin
tyr and fort and reaping are fine. I d like to axe the rest though. All of them are shit.
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idk kaege, I think as one week in the rotation it'd be okay. the impact on pushing would be busted though
everyone would only ever set records during that week
but we have weeks that are functionally 0 affix
sick sentinel
both tyrr and fort in the same week lol
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raging volc tyrannical
and it's the only week during the whole rotation that peretty much anyone is up for keys
sick sentinel
I have lost keys to volcanic lol
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even guildies who do their last minute 10 and nothing else
will be up for keys on that week
fickle urchin
dont under-estimate the shooty-lady in freehold with barrels and volcanic on tyr.
sick sentinel
because they are afraid
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idk i just wish they gave more info about exactly what they were looking at for prot warrior nerfs
sand egret
Residuum won't reset for Season 3, have fun stockpiling. - this is good to know up front
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im in the position where I need to decide between paladin, warrior, and monk for next tier, at least a main and primary alt
paladin is 420, warrior 410 and monk 412
which one of the two do I try to bring up to paladin level
fickle urchin
they ll increase cost about 10x per tier @sand egret
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if warrior gets unchanged gameplay wise and doesn't lose any defensives uptime, if they just hurt bastion of might & unstoppable force and leave it at that
sand egret
considering its supposedly numerical, comes down to which you enjoy more
orchid token
then fuck me I wanna main warrior
sand egret
I'm aware
fickle urchin
so saving up 17k will let you gamble one piece.
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but if they go and fiddle with the numbers on anger management
sick sentinel
I am leveling alts rn
orchid token
then maybe i dont
sand egret
that's still infinitely more pieces than if it reset, @fickle urchin
sand egret
and if you're sitting at 415s with nothing to spend it on, it's good to know that I am getting value not just randomly gambling for the lulz
fickle urchin
i m at 5 head gambles now, and still no OP.
sick sentinel
I will still be fucking rolling
fickle urchin
(OP is 50% i think)
willow scarab
@orchid token main prot pally with monk alt 🤧
Confirmed 17k resid for next tier piece?
willow scarab
I’ve been rolling for minor upgrades
But if we have a confirmed number I’ll start saving
sand egret
not confirmed, only that your TR wont reset
but you can extrapolate the potential cost
sick sentinel
well they said that the rule is that TR gain will get x10 and every 15ilvl is x3
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s3 is a long way off too
willow scarab
It’s about 2 months away no?
sick sentinel
s3 is release of new raid
sand egret
we'll prob see 8.2 in June
willow scarab
I’ve been hearing everything from late May to late July
sand egret
releasing at the start of the summer
willow scarab
So now is the time to start saving? I mean I have 2x bom 3x dc and eng helm
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is also a solid marketing goal
willow scarab
So could save up enough for almost 2 pieces next tier
sick sentinel
@willow scarab we have the exact same setup lul
willow scarab
You me and rank 1 prot world homie
sand egret
I've got one more piece to try and score a BoM on, but after that I'm pretty set
willow scarab
I was talking to him on stream
sick sentinel
using gismo as well?
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i agree with fuck defensive azerite
willow scarab
Because of rank 1 guy saying fuck defensive
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goes for every class
sand egret
minus the defensive part, but I get that
willow scarab
I was always like that but everyone in the 20-22 bracket was playing defensive when that was the top
sick sentinel
blade did you see the naowh clip?
willow scarab
But they’re back to offensive because you just can’t time 25s in defensive
sand egret
yeeep
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one thing i have always tried to keep in mind is that top players do not always know whats best anyway
sick sentinel
with the 283 ilvl
sand egret
that's one hell of a marketing clip
sick sentinel
LUL
willow scarab
They do what let’s them time 25s
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this game is 95% about pressing buttons correctly ,if you press buttons correctly it doesn't really matter what else you do most of the time
sand egret
but still shows the power of Block 😃
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so the very top players, who are very good at pressing their buttons, will not always have the best gear setups
because since they're so good at pressing buttons they can have any gear setup and do well
sick sentinel
I have been saying forever
willow scarab
He said he relies on talent at the spec to keep him alive so basically what you’ve said
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so their gear setups become self sustaining
sick sentinel
I would rather be naked with a shield
willow scarab
I’ve been prot for over a decade so I hope I’m okay with my buttons
sick sentinel
compared to a full suit of armor without a shield
sand egret
haha but what if you had TWO shields?
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marrowblood gives a 4 digit increase to death strikes
sick sentinel
my first messages
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3 of them is maybe a 5-6k boost to each death strike
sick sentinel
in this channel
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wasting THREE AZERITE TRAITS
sick sentinel
was me wanting dual wielding shields
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for 5k more on a death strike
there is literally no argument for doing so
but he did it
and timed a bunch of very high keys doing so
sand egret
see, I knew I liked you
willow scarab
I like big numbers
sand egret
where's Film at
willow scarab
So I could see myself doing that
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so blood discord goes bonkers and people always coming in like "shoudl i stack marrowblood"
darkee times high keys because hes a good fuckin player, not because he stacks bad traits
and same goes for any class' defensive traits
willow scarab
The real way to play bdk is to use it for WoD fm carries then leave it untouched on a dead server for 5 years
Like me
Cm carries*
sand egret
yo....get that player shit outta here. I went on reddit and they told me it's the class that does it.
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If you play a tank class badly ur gonna die regardless of how defensively you gear.
and if you play a tank class well you're gonna live regardless of how offensively you gear
so you might as well gear offensively and learn not to die
willow scarab
You’re preaching to the choir
sick sentinel
so I am in a bit of dilemma
sand egret
haha
willow scarab
I think everyone typing here is 2400+
sick sentinel
I know what the answer will be because I am in prot discord ofc
but like
I started tanking with bfa
and I descided to play my warrior no matter how good it was
willow scarab
Bfa babby
sick sentinel
I was in a social guild and shit
like, took us 2 months to kill ghuun type of guild
willow scarab
I’m the same unless warrior is unplayable
sand egret
this better end with "and now i'm tanking mothafuckas like a boss"
sick sentinel
and like before xmas I descided to start getting good
sand egret
and not "and now I play Fury"
willow scarab
And I got oceanic top 10 comfortably with it a few years ago when it was absolute bin worst tank option
So if you’re worried about nerfs
Just play good
sand egret
embrace the nerfs
sick sentinel
and like
sick sentinel
I wanna keep play warrior
idk what my group will do if we get fucked in the ass tho
willow scarab
Just play it well
sick sentinel
there are like 9 people I play with every day
sand egret
the same shit you did before
sick sentinel
fighting for spots to play with me
sand egret
im with Fum, man. Fight for it
willow scarab
You will be fine
sick sentinel
I mean, I am not even good
willow scarab
Get better
sick sentinel
like 2.6k is not impressive
willow scarab
Keep playing it
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its perfectly fine to want to reroll tho
sand egret
that is better than a lot of Prot out there, despite what this bubble may tell you
willow scarab
I think he’s saying he really doesn’t want to
sick sentinel
tbf
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like for me i'll never be able to enjoy a class knowing that i couild be doing better with a different one, and that's just me
but if you aren't that person its totally fine ti stick with the class you like too
for me a big part of enjoying a class is knowing i picked the best option
there's no tank I enjoy enough to play it even if it was bad
except vengeance but that's actually just taking the piss at this point in the xpac
willow scarab
There are vdh who have killed Jaina
sick sentinel
I quit wow on wod for obvious reasons
willow scarab
So I mean if you love it enough
sick sentinel
and came back end of tomb and played ench shaman
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and guardian which i dont care how good it is im never playing
sick sentinel
I was never an mplus guy and shit
willow scarab
I like guardian
sick sentinel
I never played a DH
willow scarab
I prepared a guardian for HFC before I quit
sick sentinel
and I leveled one for the luls on a drunk night
willow scarab
Was stoked for it
willow scarab
It’s ugly though
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go into shrine and just put two middle fingers up to all those cunts
willow scarab
Behemoth ugly
sick sentinel
I used to have an alt DK in dragon soul
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if vengeance gets real meaningful buffs i want to play it again
like baseline feed the demon is a start
sick sentinel
and I had a bear offspec in firelands
willow scarab
How can you play a class that isn’t nice to look at
sick sentinel
they said that they are going to buff bears and VDH
grand drum
Vdh was fun with t21 and shoulders
sick sentinel
"Guardian Buffs, Vengeance Buffs. They are aware vengeance is useless outside demon spikes. They are aware bears don't have control on their life. Buffs are in the lines of incoming rage and cost reduction to Iron Fur."
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vengeance is not even that useful inside demon spikes
like, you could buff demon spikes to be 100% uptime and I think vengeance is still too weak overall
willow scarab
I predicted (as I’m sure we all did) those tie would be buffed
Can’t leave something unplayable for this long
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so it depends how much they buff it
umbral forge
Ah shit Necrys! How you been man?
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because I don't really think they fully appreciate how much help it needs
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yeah but im not convinced blizzard even knows how much they would have to buff it to make it fotm
sick sentinel
the other think is I want to have every tank max level expect brm because monks were a mistake
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like we're talking 100% spikes uptime, buff souls to 10% dmg taken per soul heal, buff meta to be a flat 30% DR, buff base armor by double
umbral forge
Ion you mean?
willow scarab
Monks are so good man
sick sentinel
but then I don't wanna actually be a tank main
willow scarab
My 2nd favourite
sick sentinel
because tanking raids is so fucking boring
winter aspen
"Outlaw Rogue and Protection Warriors will be nerfed for Season 3. Numerically only."
sick sentinel
I wanna do mplus as tank and dps raids
winter aspen
When is S3 ?
willow scarab
🤧
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months away morthrang
willow scarab
2-3 months we think
umbral forge
Monk tanking is as enjoyable as fishing without bait.
winter aspen
8.2 or ?
honest canopy
Stop cry
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i like their core mechanis
winter aspen
so like 3 more months of opnesss
honest canopy
Its ok
willow scarab
It’s about aesthetic tanking
umbral forge
Water Strider
honest canopy
@sick sentinel how can you say tank Opulence is Boring? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
winter aspen
war is the best overall tank even without reaping
honest canopy
Its QoL
sick sentinel
yo
winter aspen
doesnt take alot of dmg and does alot of it
willow scarab
Bdk utility pretty huge
sick sentinel
if it is numerically only
honest canopy
Strand afk at gate see raid fail, flame them
winter aspen
numerically only=TC dmg reduced by 50%
willow scarab
I think most of us are
willow scarab
I won’t Chsnge unless it’s absolutely gutted and unplayable
fickle urchin
It will be like in uldir and arms warriors. The spec does well because of the content, so they nerf the spec after the content, thus making it suck in the next content that ist tailored to suit the spec. Its fucking retarded.
willow scarab
Vdh position
sick sentinel
"Nothing confirmed yet, but Blizzard is considering having a more single-target focused affix for Season 3's seasonal affix. Just ideas right now."
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i love how that implies we havent had a single target focused affix
winter aspen
theres no ST affix
honest canopy
Well infested was
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infested was.
willow scarab
It should be a void themed affix
sick sentinel
it was not
winter aspen
that was CC affix
sick sentinel
it was CC infested and aoe
winter aspen
and boring shitty affix
willow scarab
On a timer the entire dungeon fills with void water
sick sentinel
and then you would pull 3-4 infested together
fickle urchin
ST can be useful on bolster I guess?
willow scarab
And you take damage
honest canopy
It was burn st smash small worms
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3-4 infested is so low on AOE it may as well be ST
it wasn't an AOE affix
and ST classes dominated the meta
winter aspen
ST affix would be like a 3-4 packs of trash get replaced by a strong miniboss or some shit
fickle urchin
hah you wish
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M0 world quest style
honest canopy
St affix would be remove all trash put in Zul everywhere
willow scarab
What if they did both
winter aspen
or if you activate shroud you automatically get one shotted
willow scarab
And after a pack died it morphed into a mini boss
grand drum
St affix puts mage tower bosses everywhere
willow scarab
But all mobs got a hp cut
honest canopy
@winter aspen Hero
sick sentinel
they are looking to reduce small trash % and give it to big mini-bosses