and even customize for enemy players separately from enemy npcs
#protection
mortal brook
sick sentinel
Oh well, I just have that turned off
sick sentinel
Since about 90% of my groups are not in WM i dont get to Wpvp
primal sable
On grong, if i intercept my cotank mid throw am i fucking up my team?
mortal brook
rip manacles. prot warr wpvp not the same
primal sable
I cant tell if its doing higher damage on heroic
sick sentinel
Id advice from it from personal experience
On mythic the damage is very noticeable
sick sentinel
Well its magic damage from the impact
So its a more noitceable spike compared to anything else
and I think if even hits everyone if u intercept the person being thrown
or at least it gives the visual effect
The funniest thing tho, which I never did at all ever
Is to to intercept when ur thrown
which again, I never did ever
candid path
If you're the one being thrown, you can Spell Reflection to cancel the damage from the grip before the throw.
primal sable
Yea but im talking about the damage after the throw is done and you land
I dont remember what its called
sick sentinel
Bestial Impact
primal sable
Oh yea
candid path
You can Intervene back to your OT, although you will take an unblocked/etc. hit, you can Heroic Leap back and take no hit. The raid damage will be higher, supposedly. My healers have never found it to be an issue, but your mileage may vary.
While you're in the air, that is.
mortal brook
leaping stops impact dmg?
candid path
No...
steel mauve
leaping mid air makes the impact damage hit where ever you land at
so if you leap in the center of the raid, the raid takes full damage
(found that out the hard way)
mortal brook
nice
umbral forge
my healer BFF gripped me into the raid after I was thrown once 😆
mortal brook
oh, that was in the 'how to wipe the raid as a priest' guide that came out
sick sentinel
I just realized that the next week is anti leech build
mortal brook
@umbral forge yeah someone on r/wow does a 'how to wipe the raid as a priest' each tier. like for uldir, it was 'grip the tank into the mc bubble on mythrax'
mortal brook
detailed explanation for each boss. solid breakdown
lusty grotto
yeah fuck this week
umbral forge
what's up Nim
lusty grotto
probably not gonna run keys until next week
ran a shrine, skipped everything well... then a pet pulls runecarver while shrouding
also healer died on 1st boss due to rushes
😦
umbral forge
oh so a normal run
lusty grotto
fuck they want me to do another shrine
mortal brook
'okay guys we're gonna do a death skip, its the trash from after the 2nd boss to the BEGINNING of the bridge before the 3 packs on the bridge. just get past me and shadowmeld' healer: Okay im past the mobs on the bridge but i cant reach you guys to rez?' -my last shrine run
lusty grotto
oh shit a temple
sick sentinel
Man doing keys from a dps perspective is teaching me a few things
sharp sable
frig about to hit 110 and cant decide which BFA profession i wanna do
sick sentinel
Alchy/engineer/enchant
tacit solstice
Engi \ alch if u want gear
sick sentinel
Jewelcrafting has been dead since they made sockets a proc
clear quarry
sick sentinel
Paku is good for m+
sharp sable
what is the engi gear you speak of
tacit solstice
You can make a 415 Az helm from engi
sick sentinel
Also u get a brez
sharp sable
for reals?
sick sentinel
Yup
sharp sable
prob more affordable if you do mining/eng tho yeah?
sick sentinel
For that alone it's a highly recommended profession for all non brez classes
Yeah
Or if u have another toon, funnel the ore they mine
sharp sable
i have herb/alch on my alt if i really need flasks i spose, i just would lose the duration bonus
sick sentinel
I have herb and enchanting on my druid and her/alchy on my warrior
Free enchants and free pots
Saves a fuck ton of money
sharp sable
is the helmet good for fury and prot both?
sick sentinel
And if u know how to play the AH, u can get a fuck ton too
The helm has some good traits, DC and gizmo as well as a cauterize to remove certain debuffs
Or absorb if u don't care for a minor self dispell
sharp sable
are the mats pretty attainable?
mortal brook
need breaths from raid, but the expulsom isnt bad to get
lusty grotto
AHEM
galvazzt... with grievous
on high keys
is actually harder than tyrannical galvazzt
what the fuck
warm plinth
Poor Nim.
lusty grotto
no seriously
what the fuck
its non-tyrannical grievous galvazzt
time to uninstall wow
quiet hornet
Burn the boss before he burns you type of boss
lusty grotto
holy fuck
welp thats the one that seals the deal
not logging on until tuesday
im just trying to understand how you're supposed to heal that in grievous + tyrannical weeks
im guess you simply dont
similar to SoB last boss
warm plinth
What level key were you doing?
warm plinth
Yikes 🙃
lusty grotto
yeahhh not doing it
warm plinth
Just don't do Temple XD
fierce jackal
Have lots of selfhealing classes
quiet hornet
^^
warm plinth
How much HPS was your healer doing, just out of curiosity
lusty grotto
i'd have to check on my logs
quiet hornet
Resto Druid has the most throughput imo for that boss, might just be a healer thing
lusty grotto
i should have had a lot more charges on my HSs though, but i didn't anticipate it
it was an rdruid
he was doing fine, so i doubt he was the problem
but let me check just in case
fierce jackal
Things like prydaz help a lot too, eats like 1.5 to 2 ticks when it procs so it really helps healers catch up.
lusty grotto
uhhh...
fierce jackal
Rp trait
quiet hornet
Bring back gear swaps in m+!
lusty grotto
the only thing i dont like about gear swaps and the shitton of leggos is that my bags were always full 😦
fierce jackal
That'd be super awkward because getting 3 pieces of good azerite is hard enough; imagine having to get 6, maybe even 9.
honest canopy
Ffs
Wole up a d there has Been a clownfiesta during The night
Do i need to read all up?!
lusty grotto
they were watching some prot warrior stream
that was abandoning keys
so there were a couple of people that joined him and left or something
from what i gathered
honest canopy
Sigh
Yeah i stopped some where around The diskussions about twitch 😪
Thx for The recap Nim
💞
lusty grotto
on galvazzt the rdruid did 40-43k HPS
hmm that's over all the attempts
i dont think there's a way to split them in WCL right?
for M+?
ah well fuck it
runic plume
@lusty grotto you mean split for each boss fight?
open bluff
vial would be better over rezan's in most situations since it lines up with avatar, but you also run into the dilemma of two on-use trinkets
timber nest
thats probly why sims have rezans being better :/ since r.a.g.e is 415 socketed
warm plinth
Sims are showing Rezan+RAGE I'm guessing?
timber nest
ya
warm plinth
Not surprising. Haste is super good for DPS, and just gets even better in AoE.
However, sims aren't taking into account the type of pulls you're likely to do where Vial shines most likely
open bluff
sims are likely assuming single target
neon tangle
@open bluff two on use super ez with those
timber nest
yah, mastery sims lower than strength anyhow
open bluff
2k str is going to outweigh 777 haste
warm plinth
Mastery actually is tied with second lowest DPS stat for me; what makes BoM good is that it's a huge amount of mastery during our highest damage period.
timber nest
so what your saying is... i need to get a 415+ + socket rezans and use this vial
warm plinth
Wouldn't be a bad idea if your goal is M+ damage :p Or as sadbox said, just bind both to Avatar
Since you'd basically have a trinket with every Avatar
neon tangle
Imagine how good my advice would be if I actually played warrior
warm plinth
Still playing BDK in 2019 smh
timber nest
if i took his advice id essentially be loosing an entire use of a trinket over the course of a fight
sure, id have a trinket up for each avatar
warm plinth
How so? 🤔
timber nest
but missing on a use ;/
neon tangle
You’d be 45s late on one trinket
warm plinth
Even if you only used one of the trinkets, you'd be saving it for Avatar most likely; sims have shown it's better to hold them most of the time.
warm plinth
Right, Grong's you want to use outside Ava
neon tangle
It’s worth saving 2 minute trinkets for avatar and those line up -horribly-
Wasting more than 45s of CD
Also just conceptually think about it like this, wasting 45s of CD on a fight that lasts 5 minute means you sacrifice around 15% of the possible uptime, avatar makes you hit >20% harder, sacrificing 15% of the buff for it to do 20% more is a no brainer to me
Not even including demo shout and other buffs you try and line up with avatar
And the extra claps while it’s up
sharp sable
eeek engineering sounded appealing and then i saw 200 breaths
i wouldnt have that for quite awhile. prob by the time i get those there will be easier to get loot above there
open bluff
any 415 profession piece requires 200 breaths
the good news is that can include the 20 you spent making the 400 that precedes it since scrapping it will return both the expulsom and breaths
neon tangle
@sharp sable no mythic raiding, or heroic even?
sharp sable
i just came back to game so im leveling 20-120 right now, just hit 110
will be doing M+'s for sure but dont have raid group lined up at least
neon tangle
If you end up raiding you get 10/boss in heroic, 20 in mythic
2-3 weeks if you pug heroic + first mythic boss
sharp sable
yeah not sure if i wanna bank on that or not
dense flame
So I’ve been using 405 gore with socket and prism 400. Swapping prism for anchor 400 in sub 17 keys. I have vial 400, RAGE 400 socket, rezan 400. Not sure if I should swap it up for higher keys with my current line up. Any opinions?
ionic fern
I'd run gore+Anchor for almost anything if i could.Probably on like 22+ i'd swap one of them for Prism depending on the dungeon.
torn gust
What dungeons tho? On fortified 20 i run 425 prism in a decent amount of dungeons
ionic fern
Any of the magic damage ones. E.g SOTS/WM. There's no harm done in running prism in general tho - 425 still gives a nice chunk of str.
empty inlet
I dont have a prism cant compare 😭
sick sentinel
I'm not using my prism anymore tbh
empty inlet
ya i use my block with vial
or rezan with vial
would like to give prism a try though
finite gull
Reckon Prism would be worth using for a grievous foritifed tol dagor? I currently use a 400 Rezan's and a 410 vial but some of the trash in their is pretty nasty
sick sentinel
prism is still really really good
and can help your healer deal with grievous
even on fort, last boss in TD is really bad because of grievous
nova rune
undone sun
no
old zephyr
it's deafenitely one of our best traits (the 1st one of it at least)
I've done Galvatz and last boss of underrot this week as a healer and it was okay, they are usually pretty tough on the healer on tyra
grievious needs more healing, but since you kill it faster without tyra it's not THAT bad
sick sentinel
@nova rune deafening crash is arguably our best trait to have at least once in your gear
shut vigil
alchemist trinket any good for prot?
ionic fern
Yes, it's decent for prot.
shut vigil
was goign to pair it up with R.A.G.E, havent made it yet, was just checking around to see if it would be worht spending the mats on
ionic fern
What other trinkets do you have tho?
shut vigil
highest next trinket is 385 prism
ionic fern
Oof, then jeah..make it.
outer dew
ionic fern
🛑
shut vigil
hahaha
empty inlet
tol momnkaS
vivid sparrow
My warrior has been fury and I just gathered up some Azerite gear,1h and shield. I’m Wanting to start tanking. I was just wondering is stacking 3x Iron fortress good or bad?
ionic fern
I wouldn't advice it. If you want to(and you should) stack something then let it be BoM.
Regarding m+ atleast.
But it also depends on what other choices you have on the same rows as those IF's.
finite gull
So if I want to use the Prism. Would i replace Rezans or the Vial
ionic fern
@finite gull i'd advice Vial.
finite gull
Yeah thats what I was thinking. Rezans is an all round solid trinket to keep on
Cheers
ionic fern
Those are pretty poor choices Yeah. Guess you could stack it for now until you get better options @vivid sparrow
vivid sparrow
Ok thank you!! Ya those pieces were just some I replaced from my fury set. As long as it’s ok as starter gear
honest canopy
Friends
For raiding, M Rasta special, second BoM or DC? I will do adds so DC sounds logic
ionic fern
If it's your first DC then definetly take DC.
honest canopy
Its not
It would be my second DC
Its progress and my first prot raid in ages, so swapped some around to get Fortress in, then i eded up with eiter a secon BoM or second DC
spice ferry
is it common to use IP back to back?
ionic fern
I would take BoM @honest canopy in that case.
sick sentinel
I would take bom as well
ionic fern
@spice ferry If you are actively tanking the chances are atleast some part of your IP will be worn off pretty fast so you can reset it with a back to back IP if you're going to rage cap.
Otherwise you can use Revenge to dump rage.
Biggest thing is that you don't want to rage cap yourself since you lose out on the AM benefit if you do it.
honest canopy
@ionic fern Seams like I have to drop my beloved TC as well sicne its progress -_-
But for CR , it feels bad... might sneak it in and claim if i die to the extra dmg below 20, i would have died anyway
ionic fern
You don't really have to drop TC for progress. Chances are that if you are tanking a boss and are below 20% of HP for a prolonged period of time you will get obliterated regardless.
sick sentinel
TC gives you armor :))
ionic fern
You can go over the logs and actually see how much did you drop down to 20% ..if you have even semi-adequate healers i can assure you the % will be very low.
If at all.
spice ferry
ive never seen a log where having the debuff got you killed
and not having it means you would have survived
hollow thorn
You are forgetitng that the you dont get the strength when you are below 50%
Shouldnt be used on any prog fights tbf
cobalt trellis
isnt it rather the fact that if you drop below 50% you get weaker cause u lose strength
hollow thorn
Since STR uptime isnt that high
cobalt trellis
what deattu said
hollow thorn
and also the added downside of dying faster below 20%
umbral forge
I have a new co-tank for Grong mythic today.
We've been wiping as a result of my other tank not taunting constantly, so I'm excited.
ionic fern
Depends what's the uptime you have. Most bosses don't really do anything to tanks.
snow flume
what ilvl is recommended before i start tanking heroic bod?
im 375 now wondering if i can skip ahead and not do normal lol
sick sentinel
what ilvl is your shield
honest canopy
Can you Spellreflect Careas of Death?
sand condor
@umbral forge wait i thought i was to be excited
umbral forge
we're gonna spell reflect the world
umbral forge
Fuck yeah
sand condor
Jade fire...
sand condor
Douvle reflect the fireballs
umbral forge
oh my
sand condor
We might kill fire alone :p
honest canopy
if i do adds, then pickup bwosandi
should i take the first CoD?
Our monk has special needs rn
sand condor
CoD?
ionic fern
Caress of Death
I can't even remember who took the first one when we were progressing..we just got a paladin solo tanking it.
IIRC you wanna swap so that the NEW tank gets the CoD.
honest canopy
Idk
ionic fern
🤔
honest canopy
They dont wanna swap
We just swap one time
Thast why I tought I could just take one
the first one, and then we swap on the second scocres
rough egret
Our both ta ks DK/monk were using it there
honest canopy
Yeah
sick sentinel
well if they don't kill him how will the trinket drop 🤔
sand condor
it wont
marble cipher
Good thinking!
Also, it's an awful awful trinket tbf.
marble cipher
And that trinket shouldn't be needed at all to survive the fight
sand condor
it should never proc
sick sentinel
marble cipher
kek
sand condor
diamond laced is nice
marble cipher
Diamond is lovely
jovial haven
grats
sage niche
is there a way to change nameplate threat colors on blizzard ui , like elvui ui ?
modern brook
im sure their are client options @sage niche
#ui-addons-manager is probably a more helpful channel
weary thorn
@sage niche check out Plater, and join the Details! discord for Plater support
sage niche
thx
kind urchin
I'm just glad elvui fixed their new nameplates with the latest update.
weary veldt
Is there a good strategy to deal with the reanimated honor guards battering maul? Can they be kited out?
modern brook
The best strat for honor guards is pathing around them
most routes only ever fight 2 at most
lusty grotto
In other words skip them
sand egret
it's not a skip. It's a tactical detour.
lusty grotto
Hmmm yes
lusty grotto
Yeah
unborn island
But fuck doing the other ones
lusty grotto
You have to do that one
unborn island
Can you just CC it and never fight it somehow?
lusty grotto
Do that, then the 2 rogues can be pulled by a friendly stealther
And then the 2 shield bros
unborn island
You don't even need stealth I just hug the all, go onto the stairs and clap
unborn island
Or getting something with a targeted aoe , like mageblizz
sand egret
aren't the honor guards just the skely bros?
unborn island
If I ran with a hunter Flare+MD would be pro
lusty grotto
Honor guards are the big dudes
modern brook
iirc u need at least one of the 3 packs with honor gaurds in them for %
unborn island
What are the smelly bros called?
lusty grotto
Just pull left side
modern brook
sky screamers are the hardest mob in the dungeon though
lusty grotto
Not including colosus
sand egret
I can't remember the last time I've ran an AD
lusty grotto
Heh
unborn island
I mean, I just do it at least 5x per week for tittyforge chance
lusty grotto
I don't because no keys are ever AD
winter aspen
Skyscreamers hard ? Wut
lusty grotto
Woosh
winter aspen
The poison totem ogres say hello
winter aspen
Ah fuck I got baited by the Gonk Gang 🤦
modern brook
https://wago.io/cehqABikc this is the bog standard killed packs*
routes are for M+ kids
im a pvp kid
My point is just that u do need one 3 pull of the honor guard
for %
I dont think it matters which one u do
I do the center one cause it makes the shroud to vokal easier 🤷
and as ong as ur range doesnt have downs u should be fine to not pull the other packs
sand egret
speaking of gonk gang....feral affinity + gonk = one realllly fast bear
sand egret
so fast, my run animation goes into the next "tier"
sand egret
yeah like when you go above 60% move speed and your character starts to "sprint"
lil' werebear legs start chuggin!
modern brook
so swag
lusty grotto
stubby whirl
sand egret
i finally upgraded to a 405 weapon, did 20k overall last night and I was proud...then I thought about how easy that is to pull off on my warrior and I got sad
modern brook
Yeah but then u realize u did 20k overall
and will get buffs in 8.2 for the same reason warrior got buffs in 8.1
thanks reddit
sand egret
haha yeah....8.2 has potential to be a real fun time
we're about at the point in the expac where they can do a charity patch
modern brook
🤷
Honestly im pretty ok with the spot of moooost specs
Vengence and Subt are th eonly 2 i cant think of that are in desperate need of some love
sand egret
yeah that's why they do a charity patch
modern brook
Maybe Aff too; but that might just be an oh how the mighty have fallen
ivory maple
They deserve everything
weary thorn
@modern brook isn't arms pretty meh? Or is that a bit overblown?
sand egret
where it's mostly light buffs so everyone "gets something" to fuck with and others gets a bit "more". Since they got this feedback from the MDI they said they want to act on, now is a good time where they can choose to raise the lower or clip the top. Seeing as the top is just "does more damage" I can see the elevate strat in the mix
modern brook
But like
Arms just needs damage % or its execute phase back
Subtlety may as well not be a spec
Vengence is basically unplayable
ivory maple
So subtle
sand egret
I really enjoy Arms
modern brook
if unrewarding on the meters
weary thorn
I need to give it a try, but we are proggin M conc and I don't want to drop money 4 times a week to respec az gear
modern brook
The major problem with Arms RN imo is that its really pidgeon holed in how it plays
Like every Trait is focused on its cooldowns; and the only one that's interesting to play around feels terrible to play around (being tom)
so u have these dope burst windows and then do nothing
weary thorn
I've read its very feast or famine playstyle
sand egret
yep, similar to Ret but Ret's dopeness is waaaaay bigger
worthy dagger
Am I on the prot channel? 
sand egret
welcome
modern brook
YEah welcome to it man
worthy dagger
I was being sarcastic but ok
weary thorn
people come in here to ask the same questions that get answered, then we talk about other stuff to fill the gaps
modern brook
#protection is only #protection when Sal's on or people ask questions
weary thorn
its a solid rotation
modern brook
and I'm all out of questions
worthy dagger
u need prot with 3 reckless flurry + 3 OP + 3 bfi + devastator and youll be doing 17k+ dps ST
that by itself is already doing more than arms
damn potato spec
sturdy sable
You can do 17k st with just 3 BoM
worthy dagger
you have a downtime of 50s cause u wont have avatar up all the time
then youre not really doing constant 17k dps
sturdy sable
And you know the other obligatory dps traits
worthy dagger
like is DC even that good for single target?
AoE obviously shines
and extending 15% damage is nice
but then youre dead
by dead I mean once DC debuff wears off your damage buff is dead
Ill try to sim the most possible single target damage build prot can have
worthy dagger
nah of course not, full offensive
sand egret
during your Av window its still your #1 damage source
modern brook
DC damage isnt a separate instance, its just added to TC damage == its doubled during Avatar
so yeah DC is probably worth in ST
for pure damage
old zephyr
i'm not convinced about ST DC
modern brook
and even if its not, as soon as a 2nd target is introduced, which is most of BfD; its waaay higher than the meme build
old zephyr
DC main part is extending demo shoot
and sice you may not run Booming voice for ST memes DC becomes much less good
weary thorn
we are straying further from god's light
worthy dagger
im talking about pure st
old zephyr
for ST memes devastator is the way to go man
chilly brook
Late to the party but I love ToM for Arms
modern brook
in pure st sav might have a point
chilly brook
Only time you take deva is for pure st memeing and parsing and you do it with that fury azerite trait
modern brook
@chilly brook I like it in concept; but the entire fucking spec is Warbreaker -> blade storm
old zephyr
yeah
modern brook
and tom forces u to stall that
vocal skiff
I have been playing PS4 for the last week or so, tried to do a 11 just for the chest
My god, my reflexes were so much slower
modern brook
it butts heads with how u play it 🤷
chilly brook
I mean you get a bigger bladestorm
vocal skiff
My muscle memory worsened
chilly brook
I like the whole pool and then go through as much rage as possible windows
zealous shell
Hey sorry if this has been asked a million times, but I'm having trouble finding a solid answer. When comparing gear for tanking, are secondaries close enough in value that I just want a higher total value of stats, or is there a stat I'm aiming for?
chilly brook
Yes....
weary thorn
^ yes
chilly brook
It’s literally in the guide
vocal skiff
Go for ilvl
worthy dagger
and if you can choose items with the same ilvl u go for haste
modern brook
yes
worthy dagger
simple
chilly brook
Like literally can’t miss it in the guide on icy veins
modern brook
@zealous shell
zealous shell
Thanks a lot guys
worthy dagger
were gonna get another person asking the same thing in about 10 mintues
chilly brook
Prolly
modern brook
TBH super impressed he couldnt find it, cause that was a near perfect paraphrase 🤷
worthy dagger
so u all get ready
zealous shell
I was kinda going off the dk phrasing
chilly brook
And in 2 minutes it’ll be asked if we need to prioritize leech
worthy dagger
LUL Dks are memes now
modern brook
We're def Sagittarius
old zephyr
i mean 3 booldport + blod siphon and siphoning enchant is good meme as well
chilly brook
Yea and now everyone is rerolling prot warrior
worthy dagger
bloodsport is broken
chilly brook
Nah
modern brook
Booldport lol
old zephyr
blodsport is "okay"
chilly brook
Bloodsport is good but it’s not broke
old zephyr
nothing more and nothing less
modern brook
Bloodsport is slept on tbh
chilly brook
You might be able to make the argument that BoM is broken but not Bloodsport
zealous shell
This week is killing me
modern brook
BS's biggest weakness is that BFI and IF are better
modern brook
this week is easy - every non tank 🤷
worthy dagger
i have 1 bom and im happy about it
old zephyr
my second bloodsport had slighly more defensive value for me than an IF for the contenti'm doing, but it's only defensive value
sand egret
this week has been pretty manageable, especially with a lot of little shits not dropping pools
sand egret
LOOKING AT YOU MAGGOTS IN WM
floral iron
what does ppl think about the new trinket from Crucible of Storms? [Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption]
modern brook
@sand egret Idt its that hard of a week, tbh. def isnt as easy as last though
weary thorn
yes that was a welcome change for WCM
sand egret
it isnt “easy” but its also not super hard
modern brook
and if i get one more mongo-ass I dont need to know the route i'll just follow the tank-ass shit stain of a dps telling me this week is easy
I'm going to off myself
this is a big brained tank week
floral iron
for raiding?
worthy dagger
you should see people trying to do AD killing bridge
its the biggest troll thing you can do
sand egret
yeah, its really easy to fuck up if you dont plan your MSPaint sim
floral iron
i know its gonna be sick for m+
chilly brook
Lul
weary thorn
my favorite part of tanking this week is mongo dps pulling extra shit, sanguining high hp mobs by not focusing, and then crying when reaping timings get fucked
sand egret
ding ding
modern brook
@floral iron it'd depend wholy on the fight for its use in raid
chilly brook
People planning out their root in MDT reminds me of when I would bring my team into a shared screen view on discord and MS paint our strats over the maps of siege 🙃
floral iron
@modern brook yea it can kill some ppl if they just take a big hit of something
sand egret
i kinda have my routes now lol
modern brook
I just mean if ur using it on ST and hitting 6 allies ur making ur healers job harder
if a fight doesnt let you maintain 15yds from your stack
like its use will depend on add timings, positional requirements, etc etc
chilly brook
It’s big brain though, it’s amazing how much of a difference in performance it can make for individual players when they can feel secure by knowing exactly what they’re supposed to do
modern brook
@chilly brook I've never seent hat happen
I share routes
"hold CDs here so we have them for next"
get to here
see the meta jump
👌
chilly brook
Lol
There’s you’re problem
You’re telling a mongo class to listen
Mongos don’t listen
modern brook
U say it like its my fault im forced to play with them if i want to time my key
weary thorn
easy to accidently hit meta when you've only got a 3 button rotation
chilly brook
^
modern brook
I played DH in legion cause im super edgy
chilly brook
“Accidentally”
modern brook
I played havoc in most of ADT
To prove a point i rebound every key on my keyboard except for w and 4 to chaos strike
chilly brook
I mean I could probably be convinced to come back and play
If they actually fixed vengeance
modern brook
4 ofc being blade dance
sand egret
DHs have double jump, which really spoils you
dense flame
Imagine not playing DH
chilly brook
I mean it’s real easy not to play a DH
old zephyr
Wish me luck as well for tonight i'm trying to teach my guildies how to play correctly
chilly brook
Oof
dense flame
dense flame
To be fair. Havoc DH is a solid experience.
old zephyr
maybe, but that level of yikes is starting to hurt me
weary thorn
havoc off tank is a better tank tank vdh
dense flame
Simple, but in my opinion awesome class fantasy.
chilly brook
Apparently getting frustrated at wipes when they were based on super stupid mitigatable mistakes is toxic af
Even when you don’t yell at anyone or cuss them out
And you’re supposed to be in a Mythic prog guild
dense flame
Just bench everyone
chilly brook
Literally had over 30 wipes on Zek (which is fairly average) except people kept dropping pools in the most random spots and so many times we got the adds
old zephyr
no I mean, when we are doing HC and average ilvl is 407 or smth.
Then you ask what can be improved : top 2 answer is : Gear, and more DPS
chilly brook
Lmao
dense flame
Lol dps harder skip more mechanics
old zephyr
EXACTLY
dense flame
old zephyr
you know people, clicking buttons faster and harder is not gonna make you kill bosses
primal sable
well
old zephyr
it's just trigerring people when you do it so hard it trigger you mic...
primal sable
it certainly helps
modern brook
@weary thorn im glad my propoganda works tbh
Between Havoc > Vengeance for Tank spec and Gonk Gang I'm slowly building an empire of influence
weary thorn
its true
bladedance = shield block, darkness is just shield wall for the whole party
whats vdh gonna do? leap away?
gj tanking 4head
modern brook
exactly, tbh
old zephyr
but GM gave me full power to turn these people into proper raiders
chilly brook
@old zephyr tell them to up the noise gate on voice activation lmao
modern brook
Taunt->netherwalk is 4000x better than anything vdh can do
old zephyr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64
This will be tonigh raid thmesong
chilly brook
GM telling you something really means nothing tbh
Mine told me to “keep doing what I’m doing” and I’d be an officer
modern brook
and then u unsubbed 😬
old zephyr
nice
modern brook
🍇
chilly brook
@modern brook nah the unsub came way after I got kicked from that guild and then it dissolved less than a week later
sick sentinel
on my first timed 21 as well Pog
modern brook
@chilly brook xD Feels bad; I might unsub soon tbh
chilly brook
Oof
modern brook
I'm just burning out
I dont enjoy tanking keys anymore
and i dont want to play outlaw anymore
chilly brook
I don’t really feel bad about it, I was pissed at the time because some of the officers and players had problems with me but never came to me to say anything
old zephyr
play restoCat, it's fun
modern brook
@old zephyr I'm working on that but my druid is 118 and levleing makes me want to die :^)
chilly brook
But tbh I was also looking for a new guild cuz I was tired of being hardstuck at 2/8
old zephyr
just racechange i
chilly brook
Lul
modern brook
xD not revered w/ zanadalar
chilly brook
Give activision money 🤢
old zephyr
fat cow is a 150hps gain though cause of isera's gift
chilly brook
At least they support their games longer than blizz supports bad expansions 🙃
umbral forge
bfa will be 100% salvaged if they do what taliesin has theorycrafted
modern brook
I'm catting to big meme
old zephyr
don't go feral
modern brook
feral affinity*
old zephyr
if you want to cat go resto
chilly brook
You know the wonderful thing about theorycrafting?
old zephyr
oh right you scared me
modern brook
yeah sorry fam
chilly brook
Is that it’s just a theory until anything solid comes
modern brook
and i might just bite the bullet and roll hunter for melee DPS
chilly brook
TBH surv still kinda feels like it’s missing something
modern brook
I'm also slowly leveling a warlock
🤷
but like thats the entirety of the problem i have with wow rn
I have a bunch of pet projects but nothing i want to dedicate time to
chilly brook
I know what you mean
modern brook
like i get home from work and I'd rather just paly cs or starcraft
vocal skiff
Does sc2 still have a thriving community
old zephyr
when I get tilted by pugs too much, i go hunt some dragons on MHW
modern brook
MHW was sucha disapointment to me tbh
old zephyr
and i know PUGs are hell, but it's either that or guildies, so i'd rather get PUGs
modern brook
they didnt adjust the forumla so the whole no loading screen thin just creates so much fucking downtime
also damn man
just get a new guild if u feel that way
old zephyr
well, half of them (the only okay ones) are RL friends
and other guilds in the server arn't really better
modern brook
yoof
I like my guild a lot tbh
its a solid mix of dedicated players and no real commitments
which lets me play with good players when i want to, and ignore wow when i dont
old zephyr
I mean most of the other guild of the server are "recruiting" for a 3 guild cross guild roster
cobalt trellis
question about timers on conclave, we kill the first boss around 1:05 and for the second one we wait (incl dps stop) until ~ 3:20 iirc...
in guides i noticed that u should aim for 2:40 for the second boss, does anyone have a good overview about the loa timers on conclave?
(we managed to kill it twice already, but are still having issues with it - we will most likely extend for king rasta, since we cant really reclear quick enough)
old zephyr
because having healers that can't dispel while dodging shit is hard to find
bird is every minutes
others timer I don't know
but bird is the main one
modern brook
I've never looked at timer
we just delay if we cant kill it comfortably before bird
RL is a healer, so she just calls it out
🤷
umbral forge
@sand condor you're tanking alone tonight
wary crystal
Anyone prefer unstable flames? Seems like it would be good for mythics
sand egret
over?
old zephyr
I know bird is every minute Because it lignes up perfectly with tranquility on l'y druid
sand condor
Yes i am @umbral forge
red wedge
My guild just makes sure to kill each boss as the Winds animation goes off.
signal plover
In most cases you can kill anywhere between bird landing in center and the end of his actual ability and you'll be ok. If you're at either extreme you may clip a bad overlap but it's manageable with proper healing CD use.
Poor dispels and mongo frog Dodges are usually what causes wipes
signal plover
Oh and not killing/kiting raptors
red wedge
We started having hunters and mages bait the frog out during winds with immunities since half our dps were too retarded to move 7yds
signal plover
FPS drops are a huge issue for ppl in that fight during winds especially
red wedge
Yea. I had that exact issue. Dropped to 10fps for the first 5 seconds of every wind.
red wedge
Man.. I fkin reinstalled windows the next day, 'cause I was so furious with it. ;p
So. I didnt think it was my WAs, because I turned them all off and disabled most my addons
lusty grotto
Dunno, it worked for me
red wedge
And was still getting drops. Figured it was something wrong with something else, and didnt feel like troubleshooting it at all, so I just did a fresh install of windows. I needed it anyway. Been almost a year and a half since I cleaned up my machine
lusty grotto
FPS drops on that fight with a 1070ti shouldn't happen so yeah
red wedge
Yar
lusty grotto
Also I play with dx12 on
I remembered the WA thing fixed a lot but I decided to just reinstall every addon after that just in case. Haven't had any single issue since
sand egret
generic PSA that it may not be your GPU shitting the bed 😃
wind effects are infamously expensive in WoW, esp on the CPU side
fervent harness
all the trait discussion points towards bloodsport and reprisal being pretty poor, but says the same of generic traits, so im wondering whether i should pick up CR vs tradewinds and Bloodsport vs blood rite?
modern brook
yes
sand egret
it's pretty poor relative to other Prot traits
modern brook
All trait discussion points towards Bloodsport being worse than the 4 options above it on the prio list in the guides
same for CR but 5 above it
Blood rite is playable in M+
empty inlet
is more than 1 op good ?
fervent harness
yeah to be clear i only m+ (and alt heroic raids but whatever) on my warrior
so theyre saying that the worst prot trait defensively is better than all the generic traits as a general rule?
modern brook
Thats what they're saying
this is slightly less true with the addition of the new outer rings
since theres a lot less trait competition now
but on the whole Prot traits will always be better
My general rule of thumb is if u have to ask; just go with the prot option
fervent harness
yeah fair enough
empty inlet
3 bom 1 dc rest of the traits dont matter 😃
fervent harness
reprisal in particular just seems not to follow the trend so much, 1.5% DR taking rage away from IP seems....counter intuitive
fervent harness
3 bom works if you dont get the same fucking chest 3 weeks in a row >.<
red wedge
I've been trying to get 3 bom for a while.
lusty grotto
What do you mean taking rage away from IP, you get enough free procs
empty inlet
i roll chest because fuck champion
modern brook
thats a retarded reason to waste rolls
🤷
champs is free as hell
Ragnaros can pug it
red wedge
Mean, but true. haha
empty inlet
https://gyazo.com/b4b717b4d9e987afec5960ed2dbbd6bb chest was my last one 😦
lusty grotto
Ya, unless you're on a dead server
fervent harness
so my head is BoM DC and my shoulders are BoM BFI, i dont see any reason not to roll chest
havent gotten lucky with champs either
red wedge
it took me 9 weeks to get shoulders from grong. Bonus Roll every time.
fervent harness
oh also, ablative shielding seems fucking terrible right?
modern brook
@red wedge just be better dude
red wedge
or however long mythic's been out minus a week or two
modern brook
@fervent harness I take stats > CC on mid ring
everything else is pretty whatever imo
fervent harness
yeah i might just take damage, decaying 1000 armor seems like such a waste
red wedge
I'm stupidly over-geared, so I just go all dps traits.
fervent harness
for the content i do, yeah me too
lusty grotto
Oh
Xrealm mythic available next reset
Cool beans alliance is finally done
slow pokes
modern brook
its better than it sounds tbh
edgy flax
hey guys, shitty reroll here: just go the Axe without stats from Waycrest manor
modern brook
Warrior has no armor steroids
so armor gain is p big on the whole
especially compared to other tanks
edgy flax
+15ilvl, so 20 dps boost, worth equipping ?
modern brook
yes
lusty grotto
If it's higher ilvl yeah
red wedge
ilvl > everything else, really
edgy flax
that's what i thout but still no stat feels meh 😄
lusty grotto
It is meh
modern brook
@fervent harness My previous statments were at u
lusty grotto
But it's your highest ilvl
edgy flax
yup 😄
edgy flax
hx for the confrimation
modern brook
SHH
red wedge
base weapon damage will up your overall damage more than the stats, pretty sure
edgy flax
hahaha
analog swift
@modern brook exactly what I did
modern brook
make sure u enchant it siphoning xd
lusty grotto
I swear to god if someone mentions the enchant thay
analog swift
Slapped leech right on that bitch
modern brook
u can leech the bleed
analog swift
FUCK
lusty grotto
Motherfucker bull
analog swift
Stole the joke
red wedge
lol
fervent harness
fair enough, thanks. kinda assumed the huge amount of base armor would make it suck
modern brook
U think u can beat me theseus
lusty grotto
I didn't even finish typing
red wedge
Can't go a day without leech triggerin' someone 😄
analog swift
Hahahahaha
lusty grotto
Goddamn
modern brook
Still dont think ABlative is particularly good but if ur other options are like globule and Safe haven 🤷
lusty grotto
😡
modern brook
ablative isnt that bad
lusty grotto
Let me take this moment to mention something very important
Fuck leech
That is all
fervent harness
one piece has unstable/gut, the other has heed
lusty grotto
Hmc and flames 👌
fervent harness
thats what i went with
sick sentinel
Gutripper the hoes
modern brook
yeah unstable and heed
fervent harness
sick
sick sentinel
Go Gutripper and Devastator
modern brook
😬
modern brook
I mean
lusty grotto
Jesus christ
modern brook
If we're not being pussies
wary lantern
why is there no leech enchant on rings 😦
lusty grotto
stop
modern brook
🤷
sick sentinel
We push nim closer to the window every moment
lusty grotto
Didhsjsojshwha
lusty grotto
stahp it
sick sentinel
Lol
covert cypress
Leech is dudu
weary thorn
hello fellow bdk players
lusty grotto
nod
covert cypress
Warrior>Paladin
little grotto
Nah
sick sentinel
As funny as it is to make fun of leech, god knows what would happen if the leech players in mdi won
little grotto
Haha
sick sentinel
Leave that alpha shit to fury and arms
weary thorn
It would be great if some rainman savant took a sub rogue to the MDI winners, and then watch blizzard nerf them
because meta
remote tusk
Shield Slam now requires a 2-handed weapon
sick sentinel
So a Charge Blade from Monster Hunter then
modern brook
Hey guys just rerolled to prot war; currently 285 progressing M jaina; my leach is only 23% though. I can drop to 170 and get it to 24; does that sound right? haha cant wait to 🦇 💧 👐 some hot archmage ass u kno?
sick sentinel
prime kernel
yo guys, got a question is Filthy Transfusion a dps trait only ? or is the HP amount transfered to us during that 6sec timmer
modern brook
Filthy transfusion is called such because ur a filthy person for considering it
just take literally any other optionon that row
sick sentinel
I just remember I had a run yesterday with a prot warrior who had gems/enchants and gear fully crit
If it had haste, then it had haste, but he did not have anything haste related enchant or gem wise
cobalt fractal
Probably a fury main then?
little grotto
Kool story
sick sentinel
Doesn't fury need haste?
cobalt fractal
Depends, if you have Cold Steel, Hot Blood, Crit is very important, and can outvalue haste if your gear is haste-heavy
sick sentinel
Ah
I've played fury for like 1 hour this expac at the start so I wouldn't know wtf they need
Just assumed haste was best
sick sentinel
Should enchant leech instead
cobalt fractal
Or that, it's not like any stat is a bad stat for prot
lusty grotto
jesus christ
lusty grotto
why not just log off with a 2 hander
sand egret
way too obvious
lusty grotto
i mean i log off with a fish
signal plover
Just log off on a different toon
sand egret
but is it a properly enchanted fish?
signal plover
That'll work
sick sentinel
I remember looking at wcl last expac of people and mother fuckers we're just naked so nobody could steal their gear info
lusty grotto
🤔
lusty grotto
that'll teach you plebs looking at log/io gear
sand egret
Got to give your life meaning somehow.
modern brook
❤
sick sentinel
If I can't equipped a dildo weapon and be naked then it doesn't even matter to me if people look at my gear
lusty grotto
my fish is the best
jovial haven
have to be important to make someone want to look at your gear, so fly under radar is big brain play
lusty grotto
whacks dumb trash over
i call him Stewart
Stewart the fish
he's always obedient cause he thinks ima cook him
jokes on him
sick sentinel
He's gonna cook u?
lusty grotto
do you see him wearing a chef outfit?
mortal brook
drowsy grail
Idk about this one chief
mortal brook
okay maybe thats less butchershop butcher and more serial killer butcher but
lusty grotto
im legit scared
umbral forge
Thats "Trollbane"
mortal brook
threat +10%
lusty grotto
cant pop berserker rage fast enough
broken idol
if i have a choice between 1h weapon and shield ilvl 400, which do i pick? currently 370 weap, 380 shield
weary thorn
weap imo
sharp dew
Shield imo, more block, better def, higher content. Your dps is already high enough if played right
tropic wharf
If you want to try your luck, Weapon. You can get a 400 ilvl shield from Heroic Champions of Light pretty easily.
weary thorn
^
broken idol
thanks, is it possible to warforge/titanforge pvp conquest rewards?
tropic wharf
I don't think so, but I haven't had it titanforge/warforge before. But I have it proc a socket and trietary stats before.
broken idol
which will you pick too, mace or sword, dps same, but one larger range than another
tropic wharf
What are the stats of the mace and the sword
sick sentinel
we're 2.6k boys now
weary thorn
2.6k of what?
sick sentinel
score
weary thorn
ohhh that io grind
sick sentinel
yeee dude
empty inlet
Blast them atal
modern brook
gratz kaege
sick sentinel
❤
empty inlet
mdi in the making
sand egret
it's a new era of gaming, the "alternative gamer"
aka the "doesn't look like a typical gamer, but totally still us...but we're not being stereotypical I swear!" movement
modern brook
sand egret
not that kinda protection bull.
modern brook
@narrow abyss I've answered everyones questions for the day
narrow abyss
But what’s the stat priority
modern brook
xMog > ilvl > all
narrow abyss
Got it thx
modern brook
np
warm plinth
Jumps per minute is important as well.
modern brook
JPM v true
modern brook
oh yeah
sand egret
best mob in BFA
modern brook
I liked uhhhh court of stars
best dungeon cause it made JPM a thing u paid attention to
narrow abyss
I blacked out all of legion
modern brook
really seprated they j-ers from the s-ers
narrow abyss
The 2 months I played
neon tangle
@warm plinth That's why the coinage stampers are BiS
sand condor
when @umbral forge recruits you into a guild and on the first day you progress further than your old guild did in months
feeeeeellllsss
good man
unborn island
where do i go to get freebie healthstones?
sand egret
from your really nice warlock friend
sand egret
those are "lock rocks"
sand condor
true true
sand egret
those come from private trades though.... 👀