protection

[oblique garnet]

Link nimchips stream

[lusty grotto]

😮

[umbral forge]

Nimchip is a bully who should play Pandaren.

[undone sun]

who 🙃

[oblique garnet]

Oof

[lusty grotto]

Star Lord

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet get this, Nimchip bullied me so hard I enchanted my weapon with Siphoning and downloaded Pawn

[lusty grotto]

😡

:triggering_intensifies:

[undone sun]

did you sim using amr too

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[oblique garnet]

I switched to leech build

[umbral forge]

No there is a limit as to how far I'll go

[empty inlet]

if youre pulling 5 packs of mobs in freehold

siphoning is the play

😉

[oblique garnet]

Not really

Youre gonna have to kite at that point anyways

You dont really benefit that much from the leech

[umbral forge]

That depends on how much leech you have

If you have 450% (unobtainable) you wont need to!

[sick sentinel]

lvl 48 neck Pog

[wary lantern]

finally got a 385 shield today ! 😄

[honest canopy]

Jettom

Kaege

[sick sentinel]

hello @honest canopy

[honest canopy]

I am back. Right into The hotair.

[sick sentinel]

welcome back!

[honest canopy]

From zero to rastakhan hero

Completely out of my depths

[umbral forge]

Niiice

[honest canopy]

Done two Bosses in M, now new guild asked me to Come tank KR cus they have fait.h. Ib4 ben hed for life 😱🤷‍♂️

[umbral forge]

New guild?

[honest canopy]

Yeah. We didnt find raiders on Alliance. Me and my co GM got poached by The only other daytime guild in horde.

So we talked to The crew

[umbral forge]

So you faction changed your Pandaren Male Warrior.

[honest canopy]

They said we worked Hard for all Who cared and wished us The best od luck. Took all ppl Who wanted to follow us as sociala with us and paid for their transfers

Yeah

Guess to what

[umbral forge]

Still panda?

[sick sentinel]

who payed for the transfers

[honest canopy]

I did

[sick sentinel]

O

[umbral forge]

Pandaren @honest canopy

[honest canopy]

Pandaren obv

[umbral forge]

Good

[inland mesa]

Leap back and forth, call for externals on caress/swap, leap out the fire, win. Rasta isnt that bad

[oblique garnet]

@honest canopy eu?

[umbral forge]

Ye

[honest canopy]

My plan was to start at bwosabdi, swap and let The DK use Purgstory, Bargain and a Shaman totem for CoD

[oblique garnet]

You joined the daytime raiders or w/e they called on draenor

?

[honest canopy]

And just AMS stacks

Yes Late, i was There a long time ago during The old management and have a very good impression of The new one

Wich, few of them i know since before.

[inland mesa]

We just swap on every fire detonation. Same tank combo, I start on bwon. Whoever gets caress gets externals

[honest canopy]

Some are new, some are our old members from alliance.

[sick sentinel]

we EU horde now Pog

[honest canopy]

I am EU Horde now idd

[sick sentinel]

and considering the current time its the opposite of daytime

[umbral forge]

Nightborne, Pandaren, the Horde truly has the best races for tanking.

[near furnace]

dumb question. better to run stam or str flask in M+? Not pushing just doing weekly +10s for guildies

[umbral forge]

Str

[near furnace]

okay

[honest canopy]

Yeah i am awake just stuck in prot disc.

Should really sleep, baby finally sleeping full nights

[sick sentinel]

we should make a group and thunderclap in unison

[honest canopy]

Bind TC to MW Down and Avatar MW Up

Downloa fruityloops and make guccigang scrstch music by doing Mplus just scroll that mousewheel

[oblique garnet]

I woke up like an hour ago🤔

[honest canopy]

You are Late tho

🤷‍♂️

[oblique garnet]

Lul

[sick sentinel]

yeah if he woke up at normal times he would be Early

[honest canopy]

🥦

Well need to sleep. Laters friends, have a gods night and remember, dont do something i would have done.

[sick sentinel]

gn

[slow crystal]

Advice off-tanking M Mekka? Normally playing Fury but one of our tanks is out so will be Prot tonight. Read Tanknotes etc. Seems pretty simple for tanks. Taunt 8-10 stacks. Tank boss when other tank is shrunk or dropping gigavolt. Any tips? Thanks!

[distant crystal]

ye i don't think there's any new tank mechanics in mythic are there?

maybe pug heroic a bit for practice?

[neon tangle]

@slow crystal definitely swap at less than 10 if you can

especially in the 3rd phase

[distant crystal]

ye if you get to 10 stacks and then the other tank gets gigavolt/shrink

gonna have a bad time

[neon tangle]

1. dude hurts, 2. you want to be safe in case the other tank get mechanics

[slow crystal]

So you timing taunts based on the enlarger and gigavolt boss abilities? Like pretaunt right before?

[distant crystal]

basically just taunt swap early/often so you don't get boned with unlucky mechanics

idk what the minimum is to avoid taunt immune

maybe 6?

[empty inlet]

If you're off tank just taunt when ever

I play dk in the fight I just taunt when ever I am not gripping the robot

[slow crystal]

Thanks! If I end up carrying +10 stacks for some reason...IP, Last Stand, SW in that order as needed?

[distant crystal]

spell reflect too

just for the redux

[slow crystal]

Great. Forgot about that. Thanks.

[empty inlet]

They should taunt off you after 1 stack

/shrug

[slow crystal]

Yeah just saying if he has shrunk or something

[empty inlet]

At least that's how my guild does it

Oh you probably get like 8 stack max

[distant crystal]

i think you could get a taunt immune situation with a bit of bad luck

[slow crystal]

Great. Thanks.

[tacit pewter]

Question here regarding warrior tanking and heroic Jaina. Is the Ice Shard ability that she cast affected by the warrior shield block? After looking at logs its incredibly hard to tell if its being affected at all as Im running spell refelect on cooldown. The percentage of blocked damage is nowhere near where my stat is and as far as I know its spell damage so in theory it shouldnt be blockable? Any insight?

[distant crystal]

yes

it's physical, blockable dmg

[steel mauve]

spell reflect is worthless for ice shard

its 100% physical and blockable

it even shows as a physical spell on logs with the color of its name

[tacit pewter]

I was almost thinking that myself. But between my attempts where i was using shield block compared to when i was just spamming ignore pain, the logs of the blocked damage did not differ much between the two appoaches, but the percentages varied wildly between all the attempts

[fair flint]

i have a question regarding trinkets, Which one of these would be best for m+ and/or in raid?

[lusty grotto]

wtf lmao

why wouldn't you use shield block

i mean if an ability is blockable...

why would you opt to not block it?

im having problems following this train of thought

[daring marlin]

@tacit pewter

[main aurora]

If you said that we have to go ilvl/str/stam we can say that icy viens said bullshit ?

[neon tangle]

@fair flint prolly swap between RAGE and the prism depending on whether you want to be a little more defensive or offensive, both really good

[fair flint]

okay thanks 😃

[runic parcel]

What mythics are best to run for gearing?

[sick comet]

Atal has nice trinket + weapons

[neon tangle]

@main aurora

Gotta read the paragraphs below that

[oblique garnet]

also thats for raiding

[neon tangle]

Raiding + defense focused

[sick sentinel]

Yea

Because for m+

The best stat is of course

[oblique garnet]

Haste crit

[neon tangle]

^^

[pearl copper]

Adulation Enforcer or Servant Splitter?

[oblique garnet]

Whats their ilvl

[oblique garnet]

Both?

[pearl copper]

Yup.

[oblique garnet]

Enforcer

[pearl copper]

And that's still better than Sharkbait's Fish hook?

I assume.

Also 400.

[sick comet]

Sharkbait gives crit/vers so that's better offensively compared to enforcer?🤔

[pearl copper]

Just generally speaking. I know there's more to it all than just going for what's allegedly the best stats.

[sick comet]

do like me and keep the same weapon you have enchanted unless you get a higher ilvl. screw stats on weapons 😄

[fathom sundial]

whew got 415 shield

[halcyon fable]

yay got my mythic champs chest

[jovial haven]

another week, another coin used, still no DLRP

[woven trellis]

prot warrior

is hard

to play

[undone sun]

Punishing, yes

[jovial haven]

so just curious, engi helm or crown from OP? both same ilvl. with engi helm i have 3DC and 2 BoM, with crown would be 2DC and 2 BoM, 1 IF and 1 BFI

[dull coral]

Is it worth stacking DC or BoM at all in m+?

[jovial haven]

BoM yes, you want 1 DC anymore is just for more dps

[dull coral]

Is it a substantial dps increase?

[steel mauve]

its our best dps increase in m+

[dull coral]

Yes but is it actually a significant one

[honest canopy]

Yea

[honest canopy]

To padd

[steel mauve]

i wouldnt consider adds dieing quicker in m+ padding as the quicker they die the beter off the group is going to be...

[dull coral]

I'm just wondering is it worth dropping a little bit of survivability for, like will my overall dps actually have any noticable change or is it gonna amount to like <100 dps on overall meters

[valid dirge]

As a fairly new prot warr, how often are you supposed to use ignore pain? Every chance you get, where you know shield block cant block it or?

[sick sentinel]

@dull coral you want 3 BoM for mplus and more than 1 DC can be a lot

[steel mauve]

supplement shield block with IP, if its blockable SB will always be a better mitigation, and just use ip to smooth the damage intake, except like jadefire where nothing is blockable on the mage so shield block is basically a dps increase with shield slam

i think bis outer ring traits for m+ atm are 3XBoM and 3X DC

[silk mortar]

^Also make sure that you dont spam it, dont wanna waste any absorb amount

Since it isnt stacking

[sick sentinel]

Not sure about the numbers but your second dc makes tc do around 7-8% more damage

[steel mauve]

there will be times where you will waste the absorb just to avoid rage capping on an ip, so dont be afraid to, but like he said dont juse spam it to use it

[valid dirge]

Alright, cheers

[honest canopy]

I just roll IP in my standard pop thing

By The toughr that The more often IP is up, The more I mitigate

[next goblet]

is shadow of elune any good for prot? i got ilvl 400 azerite shoulders and they were an upgrade from the BoD 385s

or should i go bloodsportx3?

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy wanna tank an AD16 today? I need weekly on my alt. Not now though

[honest canopy]

Farming azerite on my furrychubby to catch up, Rhen i have to do familty stuff 😪

Thx for asking tho, another time ☝️

[wanton blaze]

hey fellow clappers, quick question - does leech heal you from the ignore pain casts? as IP is considered a heal/absorb mix by most ingame mechanics/meters (bar necrotic I think)

[sand condor]

@umbral forge if thats on eu

I’d love to

Leech is a meme by the way @wanton blaze

Having it is nice but never prioritized

[undone sun]

Idek if absorbs in general are affected by leech, let alone IP.
Absorbs and heals are separate

Leech specifically states heals

[umbral forge]

@sand condor it's not gonna be a pretty run btw. Am not too good as a Hunter. I'll tell you when we go

[merry cave]

If it does interact it's in such a minute way it makes no difference

[undone sun]

Ofc

[sand condor]

Man im used to carrying my entire guild

I dont mind it not being pretty

[umbral forge]

Sweet

[sand condor]

I like to get down and dirty

[umbral forge]

Horde btw

[quick elk]

Hey Guys, hearing rumours that running siphoning on weapon as prot is better than haste. due to avatar and TC. is this true or is it it just too niche

[sand condor]

No

Stop

[undone sun]

Very wrong

[sand condor]

@ionic fern we have anotherone

[quick elk]

well that is a clear answer at least 😃

[sand condor]

Hehe

It was a meme brought forth

[umbral forge]

@quick elk Leech is only worth it if you're making a meme build to annoy @lusty grotto

[quick elk]

noted, im guessing ive missed a massive "debate" on it in here already 😃

[sand condor]

It was a shitshow xd

[oblique garnet]

Stop

Leech must die

Just remove it like they removed expertise

[undone sun]

👏

[ionic fern]

[umbral forge]

I wish they built leech into versatility.
Versatility is by far the most boring secondary stat. It does nothing but change numbers.
Haste makes you clap faster
Crit makes you clap big solid yellow numbers
Mastery is unique per class
Versatility might as well be armor.
adding leech to versatility would make the stat somewhat fun, plus we could reach lifesteal levels where it might actually make a difference too, instead of being a laughable meme.

[undone sun]

[umbral forge]

Thyme agrees with me

he even offered up his hilt for me

[oblique garnet]

If leech was integrated into vers it would be beyond broken

[sand condor]

I agree

[umbral forge]

Well

Yes

Obviously

[sand condor]

We’d be even better

[oblique garnet]

It would be impossible to balance in pvp standpoint

[ionic fern]

Delete all stats cause ilvl wins anyways.

[oblique garnet]

Not to mention pve

[umbral forge]

Okay what if every 3% versa you have gave you 1% leech?
So with 9% versa you'd have 3% leech

18% versa, 6% leech

[oblique garnet]

Then we would reach a point where tanks wouldnt need healers to clear content

[umbral forge]

Like Legion

I'm more in the camp where I feel like Classes should feel inherently broken?
Like, Legion was just a massive powertrip, was fantastic to me.
I got those bracers and felt like I could take on the world.

[oblique garnet]

Whats the point

In playing a tank in mmo

When you dont need a supporting class

[umbral forge]

Yeah that's fair too I guess.

[undone sun]

Self reliance, having to fall back on others feels like shit

[oblique garnet]

Not really

I like relying on others instead or being immortal

[umbral forge]

But

why not both

[oblique garnet]

Because then you could solo everything

Being able to solo all content is dull

Sure it might take longer than with a group

But you can just take your time solo it

[mortal brook]

self reliance, the very best trait for plate

[sand condor]

No steve

No

[hollow thorn]

just do M+

with 1 tank

and 3 ranged dps and a healer

triple self reliance

gigavalue

[sand condor]

Melee dps only my man

Self reliance more like self harm

[umbral forge]

@sand condor are you ready in like 30 mins? Just gonna eat.

[sand condor]

Aye aye cap

[hollow root]

399 ilvl enough to tank TD +9?

trying to build my tank io

[umbral forge]

399 is enough to tank +13

if you know what to do

[hollow root]

alright cool, ill keep it in mind

[umbral forge]

@sand condor ready?

[spice ferry]

I easily timed a 10 at 380 this week

Maybe 384

[umbral forge]

I accidentally recruited @sand condor to the Horde

[sick sentinel]

good job @umbral forge

[umbral forge]

he's faction changing now

[sand condor]

they forced me

[sick sentinel]

good.

[oblique garnet]

Good my minions join me

Now all we have to do is convince @ionic fern and we have horde superiority

[ionic fern]

Never..someones gotta represent alliance.

😂

[oblique garnet]

🤢

[ionic fern]

I'm just so bad at the game that i need to be on the alliance side since less competition.

😭

[gilded viper]

Hey. Would u guys run with 2x deaf crash or 1 deaf and 1 iron fortress?

[split hemlock]

Is still possible to reflect cyclone strike in temple?

[sharp shard]

How many ilvl does a socket count on prot? .. so for example i have legs 400 with socket and the same pants on 410 .. would i use the pants with socket ? or the higher ilvl ones

[split hemlock]

Use 410 one

[sharp shard]

mhkay

[ionic fern]

@split hemlock yes

@gilded viper for more aoe dps go with double dc otherwise dc/if

[split hemlock]

Last run i try to reflect it, and it almost killed me(It didnt target me as main target)

[sand condor]

i have just been abducted into the horde

i feel filthy

[gilded viper]

@ionic fern sure, i was just wondering if the dc would always be better in m+ runs

[ionic fern]

As long as you can survive you can freely go more dps. I'm still running double dc at 20-21 keys

[quartz gyro]

hey folks does anyone have a good weakaura that tracks health total plus externals like incoming healing and absorbs?

[main aurora]

@neon tangle thanks i didn't see below ^^

[honest canopy]

Whats the required dps for death realm to transition before second inevitable end?

Anyone knows? Mythkc King

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZlpsneDGBQ

[honest canopy]

☝️😂

[umbral forge]

Vic is Horde and on my realm now

he was alliance when you turned down my Atal 16

[honest canopy]

😪

I have grinded fro. 37 to 42 necklvl

Break now petting this bugger

Need traits, Rastakhan on Monday and I am terrified cmthat they have such faith in me 😪

Gotta love The dedicTion tho, fsctionchange for a AD16

[umbral forge]

no we accidentally recruited him to my guild as new main tank

[honest canopy]

Starsalign

[sand condor]

welp

it wasnt forceful

i wanted this

[granite ibex]

Hello guys I was wondering what enchant to put on a warrior protection ? I thought about haste but checking with you

I am asking for the weapon

[remote tusk]

Yeah, use the Haste enchant. If you're lower itemlevel could do with Stalwart Navigation too.

[granite ibex]

Aight sounds good to me thx

[jagged bay]

hey have a nice weekend everyone!:)

[honest canopy]

@umbral forge I know I am trolled but i like The story and did belive in it 😪☝️

[umbral forge]

https://i.imgur.com/7nMpUb4.png @honest canopy

[honest canopy]

🐐🐐🐐

[viral adder]

not white but silver

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy
Vic seriously to god transferred over to join my Guild.

[honest canopy]

🐐🐐🐐🐐

[open bluff]

[sick sentinel]

Revoke that prot license

[open bluff]

lul, i'm not even flasking because it's normal

[sick sentinel]

idc

Are us using the leech build?

How arent u number 1

[open bluff]

because druid tank is keeping paku too far away for clap to cleave

😦

[sick sentinel]

Wait why arent u on paku

[open bluff]

dark iron

😤

[sick sentinel]

[open bluff]

only reason i'm even here is bc of the haste weapon

trying to replace my 380

and normal conclave isn't anywhere near as stressful to try and pug compared to heroic

[sick sentinel]

I honestly never found Conclave hard to pug in heroic

[open bluff]

it's usually kimbul's wrath that fucks them up :frowing:

devastate so gud

[umbral forge]

What

[open bluff]

actually pretty sad when a trinket does more than a baseline spell

[primal sable]

why is revenge below devastate tho

[open bluff]

because single target so lul procs

[primal sable]

sad

but isnt this normal?

[open bluff]

yeh

[primal sable]

i'd just spent rage on it

cause why not

[open bluff]

more avatar from ip tho

[primal sable]

but ip doesnt do any damage

[open bluff]

neither does revenge

plus more rage spent on IP = faster avatar = faster, harder claps

clap already does more damage than revenge as is, why would i spend less rage to get to superclap slower?

[fast kiln]

[mortal brook]

unless you're rage capping, then revenge is fine right?

[daring marlin]

What do you mean ip=faster avatar

It’s the same thing as long as you’re not overcapping

🤔

[open bluff]

right but you spend more rage on one IP vs one revenge

and honestly the healers weren't... that great but that's to be expected of a normal group

all but one were struggling to stay over 10k

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow abyss]

I definitely spam IP liberally just to get avatar back faster

Cap or not

[daring marlin]

That doesn’t even make sense lol

[fervent prism]

Guys, would you take bonded souls over BoM this week for m+? Im currently going 3x BoM 2x crash 1x BS

[daring marlin]

No.

BoM forever

[fervent prism]

ye boii

[quick ice]

great news everyone. Operation get a shield has been successful. Now to tank my first dungeon

[narrow abyss]

Feels good when u get new shield for sure

[quick ice]

Not really a new shield, just a shield haha

switching over from fury

[daring marlin]

omega

[quick ice]

gonna put some poor pugs through my learning process lol

[thorn fiber]

That feeling when you match the DPS of your fury on your prot

[daring marlin]

On AoE?

Like avatar window?

[thorn fiber]

Yeah and above.

[daring marlin]

I mean Fury AoE isn’t exactly amazing

Extended cleave is legit, though

[thorn fiber]

Yeah for sure

I just love doing the damage as prot feels so gratifying to be able to contribute like that.

I'm finishing my m+ runs at like 19k overall on prot. Starting to get there, I want to break the 20k mark overall.

[sick sentinel]

oof

[thorn fiber]

Ouch that makes the leveling grind longer.

[daring marlin]

I regularly do anywhere betwen 26-30k+ overall depending on the dungeon/affixes.

Don't give up, skeleton!

[sand condor]

i did indeed join @umbral forge 's guild

[ionic fern]

:o

[umbral forge]

So I'm rerolling to a new tank class.
I'm opposed to going double prot warrior

GOOD THING I HAVE A VENGEANCE DEMON HUNTER READY

[sand condor]

I played it

its wack

[chilly brook]

If only blizz cared about vengeance and buffed it so it’s competitive

[quick ice]

alright first dungeon has been tanked. it went well

I had no clue what I was doing, but only ever died to one overpull

[sick sentinel]

Doesn't VDH get leech when they meta

[chilly brook]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Well there u go

Play the leech build with Vdh

[chilly brook]

Meta is also considered a bad CD

[hearty dune]

Would you use [Grong's Primal Rage] with [Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism] Or [Vial of Animated Blood] with [Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism]?

[sick sentinel]

Prism/Vial

[sand condor]

grons is wack

[hearty dune]

hmm, i am not sure which would give me more damage

[sand condor]

Vial

Just sim it

But vial

Vial buffs dps for 15 ish seconds

Grongs deal ~80/90k

[oblique garnet]

Vial is good for the 1st 6 seconds

[sand condor]

A thunderclap with avatar deals 30k

[oblique garnet]

After that it becomes meh

Thats my tc without any buffs

On avatar

[jovial haven]

Ditched Elvui today and got my UI set up nicely, now to do keys this weekend to test it out lol

[narrow abyss]

I’m about to do the same

I miss stock. I feel like I don’t have to fight menu options to get the info I want

[little grotto]

Elvui is so gross, its sad all these sheeples use it, its one of the worst addon packs ever

[umbral forge]

@sand condor

[sand condor]

i hate you

./gquit

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE

[umbral forge]

i made my own build

[ionic fern]

What on earth is that

[umbral forge]

TL:DR Vic joined my guild to tank
So I have to roll a new Tank
So I'm leveling a Vengeance DH with a build focused on giving me the mostest leech

[ionic fern]

Sounds reasonable.:D

[umbral forge]

Yes!

It's absolutely not meta

But I hate my healers they call me a furry

[weary thorn]

@umbral forge that's pretty rude considering you're obviously a weeb

They should apologize

[umbral forge]

Yes, thank you.

[sand condor]

Theydo call him@a furry

[umbral forge]

holy shit leech is absolutely useless what the fuck I had no idea it was this insignificant.

[silk mortar]

Could also be Dh's are useless

😛

[umbral forge]

Preposterous.

[silk mortar]

I have a DH so i know dw

[sand condor]

Go make a mono

Monk

[umbral forge]

I have a 402 monk with 40 lvl neck what are you talking about

[silk mortar]

2 monks are better than 1

[sand condor]

Good play monk then

We shall be a great tanking team

9/9 mythic soon

[umbral forge]

yeah

me as a vengeance DH

you as a Prot Warrior

[sand condor]

No

[umbral forge]

We shall be invincible

[sand condor]

Bad jettom

[silk mortar]

You cant even tank the trash properly

as dh

😄

[finite scaffold]

Hey, New War here, i'm 400 ilvl, i feel m+ like a pain un the ass. Dps is good but i find it really hard to survive some pull

[umbral forge]

did you start this week

[finite scaffold]

Yup

[umbral forge]

ok its cause of the week

[finite scaffold]

Oh ok grievious is really that bad for war ?

[umbral forge]

Pretty sure Grievous is bad for everything except Death Knight

[finite scaffold]

Well, i'm a dk main

That's why i was thinking this week was good i guess xd

[empty inlet]

Bad shield ilvl = bad tank

[finite scaffold]

405 shield

[sand condor]

shield<425 = bad sheild

[remote tusk]

no shield = not tank

[empty inlet]

Math checks out

[remote tusk]

stupid monk try fight with stick

but stick break where shield will not

[ionic fern]

Chances are Brewmasters are drunk enough that they think their stick is actually a shield so..

[narrow abyss]

It’s a rough week

[ionic fern]

Well, you're at the mercy of your healer this week. If your healer is good it's not that bad.

[narrow abyss]

The one alt 10 I did was with a guardian Druid doing offspec resto

Oof

4 stacks grievous everywhere 😂

[remote tusk]

Haha, Guardian..

[empty inlet]

Grevious doesn't scale with players skill level so

Gonna suck the lower key you go

[ionic fern]

🤔

[narrow abyss]

That name sounds familiar galb

Is that from that dragon trilogy

With like brisingr or whatever

[steady fiber]

Hi can any one help a pleb? what better rezan 400ilvl howler 410 ilvl or prism 400ilvl ?

🤔

[finite scaffold]

From Eragon books

@narrow abyss

[narrow abyss]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

@steady fiber Rezan/prism

[dapper yacht]

[Blood Siphon] or [Crystalline Carapace] ?

[sick sentinel]

Either or, neither are bad chocies

[daring marlin]

@umbral forge pretty sure grievous damage doesn’t affect death strike

[umbral forge]

@daring marlin I never implied that.
Blood DK's have an easier time with Grievous because of their spiky health pool and self-sustain.

[distant crystal]

grievous is a healer affix

[daring marlin]

That’s literally the only edge they would have is if their AM was affected by grievous. IP is super strong for grievous.

Grievous should drop out of combat tbh

[distant crystal]

it doesn't just to punish disc priests

and to prop up the sugar-crusted fish feast market

[daring marlin]

LOL

Too true.

[distant crystal]

the dark moon faire has a strong lobby

[ionic fern]

😮

Together with a 425 ring from the same chest.

👏

[outer dew]

doesn't have leech

DE it

[ionic fern]

:slap:

😦

[outer dew]

that's toxic

[brisk ferry]

That's a lot of str

[narrow abyss]

If only it had leech

[exotic spoke]

Ehhh

[brisk ferry]

We really pounding the leech meme into the ground eh

[narrow abyss]

I just hopped on bandwagon

Needs to last a little longer

[wary lantern]

sporepods with leech 😗

[potent anvil]

https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseTolerantLlamaHoneyBadger

[signal plover]

anyone got a clip of SR for 1st boss in sots

[agile ice]

400 rezans with a socket vs 415 alch trinket?

[ebon hound]

I'd go alch

[potent anvil]

@signal plover are you wanting to reflect sea blast?

[signal plover]

ya just curious about it

seems straightforward enough

[potent anvil]

He only casts it if no one's in melee, so if you wanted to do it then after every charge wait till he casts it. The problem is that he could cast any of the other abilities first so it might not be worth losing the melee dps uptime

[signal plover]

aight makes sense thnx

[valid knot]

how good is [Knot of Ancient Fury] for us? equal to all the top m+ trinkets at same ilvl?

[primal crypt]

it's really good

I use it always

[mortal brook]

basically lines with avatar too

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet I finally broke 2400

I'm so behind now

[valid knot]

390 Rezan's Gleaming Eye or 400 knot?

[primal crypt]

go with the knot

[valid knot]

just got one

[primal crypt]

whats your other

[valid knot]

alch

415

[primal crypt]

oh yeah

go with knot

[valid knot]

would knot be better then 400 rezan?

[primal crypt]

if 400 each I would go with rezan

[valid knot]

ok

[primal crypt]

rezan and prob knot

instead of alche

unless you're really popping potions all the time

[valid knot]

alch trinket seem great tho

[primal crypt]

alch trinket is amazing

[valid knot]

i am using them in m+ alot

[primal crypt]

procs a ton

yeah, rezan in raids

but knot in M+

so keep alche staple

and swap rezan/knot in and out

[valid knot]

ok

should try getting a 400 rezan tho

[primal crypt]

definitely

[valid knot]

have been for a while with no luck

[primal crypt]

one of my favorite trinkets so far

rezan is very elusive

[valid knot]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/venak

[primal crypt]

mog needs some work

[valid knot]

idd

got any tips?

[fossil harness]

hello, is worth dropping ilvl for bastion?

[mortal brook]

@valid knot https://render-us.worldofwarcraft.com/character/proudmoore/111/189696623-main.jpg try this for mog

[valid knot]

ugly as fuck

[mortal brook]

D:

[narrow abyss]

Roygbiv

I like it lol

[mortal brook]

😄

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit that's hideous

[grim wasp]

Nah that's the most beautiful mog I've seen

[primal crypt]

jesus

[undone sun]

nice gradient

7/10

it's not mis-matched clown vomit, there's some thought into it

[sick sentinel]

I'm surrounded by insane people

[undone sun]

welcome to the echo-chamber

[primal sable]

with a mog like that you dont need demoralizing shout

[sick sentinel]

Oh no

That means im insane too!

OH MY GOD

[undone sun]

that mog is a taunt to the enemies

[sick sentinel]

That mog is a taunt to God

[mortal brook]

basically cancels out Skittish

[sick sentinel]

If I were the enemies id just fucking kill myself

[mortal brook]

that'd be super convenient acutally

[outer dew]

Isnt it a rainbow

[sick sentinel]

Its digusting

[mortal brook]

roygbiv 😄

[sick sentinel]

Is what it is

[primal crypt]

digusting

[sick sentinel]

hey steve

[mortal brook]

wow is that hawgz?

[sick sentinel]

it is he

the hawg

[mortal brook]

:blessed:

[sick sentinel]

😳

[narrow abyss]

Love the roygbiv man

👍

Own it no shame

[mortal brook]

^^

[mortal brook]

I want to pick out the theme here but

[sick sentinel]

you wish there was a theme

the theme is destroying my enemies

[mortal brook]

he's got such widdle feets for clappin

♥

[sick sentinel]

its not about size steve

its about how you use it

[nova rune]

Does anyone know if the mobs in freehold that are passive until the event/second boss fight still give percent?

[primal crypt]

yes

they do

people dont trigger the event to gain more %

particularly on teeming weeks

gives you more choice to pick and choose what you wanna pull

[outer dew]

Skipping the RP let's you finish FH in much less pulls

Ome of the reasons why I do council third

[jovial haven]

for those that don't use elvui, what do you use to show item level and enchants on your stuff on the character pane?

[sick sentinel]

DejaCharacterStats

[cinder pasture]

Same here, Deja

[jovial haven]

that shows the item level on your stuff?

[distant crystal]

yep

also shows more detailed stats in char window

like AP and stuff

[jovial haven]

did not know that it did the ilvl stuff. thanks

[sick sentinel]

@jovial haven thats my set up

[jovial haven]

awesome thanks. i'm gonna grab that

[distant crystal]

shameless AP flex

[sick sentinel]

got 420 barnacle with a socket

😦

Lol gL with that

its good ilvl and socket but but barnacle

[distant crystal]

briny af

it's prob pretty decent for dmg

at that ilvl

[sick sentinel]

it might be for ST

for m+ i got 410 gore-crusted and 425 jes

Its good if u can get the splash effect

Otherwise its ST is trash

hmmmmm

i will try it on couple keys but i dont have high hopes just will stand there for ilvl 😄

[distant crystal]

i think i was wearing a 400 earlier in the season

did a decent amount of dmg with bootyclaps

[sick sentinel]

I look at it the same way I do Azerite Globs

If u can get it on ur Main target and get it to pop, its strong

420 with a socket tho wish it was rezans

THEN 😮

If u cant, fucking good luck

yeah well still ilvl and socket tho

Just keep it for the bag ilvl

have to check it out but gore works well with parry and has %40 uptime nearly on keys

i had barnacle last season it did %2 damage overall

Thats, kinda shit

[distant crystal]

i mean

2% dmg overall for a trinket isn't bad

[lusty grotto]

nobody is saying it's bad, there are just better

bad would fall along the lines of fang/shitpods/bandages/bargain

[distant crystal]

idk i would equite "kinda shit" with bad

[lusty grotto]

you mean totally shit

[umbral forge]

Nimchip my eyes have been opened.

Leech is absolutely dog[expletive]. Utterly useless.

[lusty grotto]

-_-

[umbral forge]

I was leveling my Vengeance DH with a full leech build to see how much it could heal me and well

......just no. It's not worth it. I'd take 1 more haste over 100 leech anyday.

[sand condor]

It difnt

Now he is forced to do dk or monk

[distant crystal]

umm

Jettom you've overdone it

[outer dew]

it's because

you need to actuially do damage

lmao

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt gz my boi you have grown so much

[lusty grotto]

hey don't tag paladins

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet all thanks to you friendo

Hai @lusty grotto

😄

[oblique garnet]

My friendp

[primal crypt]

PALADIN

wat

[oblique garnet]

I got drunk

And i ended up on boat to tallinn

[primal crypt]

I'm lit right now 😄

Birthday keys

I'm scuffing them all

XDDDDD

[lusty grotto]

happy bday sir

[primal crypt]

Thanks Nim 😄

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt if you dont hear from me in 48 hours call 911 im probably dead

[wary lantern]

i got some leech 😄

[lusty grotto]

kill it with fire

[wary lantern]

😄

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet it's a race to see who get's to see Jesus first

/wave

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[primal crypt]

World first

[oblique garnet]

Fuck

I dont believe in jesus

[primal crypt]

Rip

[lusty grotto]

Heysus

[primal crypt]

lost world first before even starting LUL

[lusty grotto]

bro he cuts lawn down the road

[oblique garnet]

Yamo

[lusty grotto]

hes real believ eme

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet are you gonna push any time soon?

[oblique garnet]

No

[sick sentinel]

dead team?

I see a bunch of 20s in the LFG tho

can't you like sneak in those guy's teams? maybe add them to batttle net?

[lusty grotto]

hm

how can i make my ally chars show up main's io

show up with

it works for my horde alts but not my ally rogue

is it faction specific maybe?

[dusty tusk]

Need 200 score

[lusty grotto]

oh

[sick sentinel]

I love how I get score every day but I also lose ranking every day

people are just getting score faster then me

[lusty grotto]

theyre probably targetting whatever gives them most io first

and you don't because fuck that lmao

[sick sentinel]

yeah

well we are focusing on actually improving as players

and improving our synergy

because idk how I reached that point where I am right now, I still believe I do too many mistakes

[lusty grotto]

im kinda getting burned out on M+

wait 2 hours for someone to finish a run or come back from afk

do 1 or 2 runs

if one fails, people go afk

pisses me off

[sick sentinel]

that like

have never happened to me

like at all

[lusty grotto]

it used to not happen

but its happening a lo tnow

so ive been thinking on pugging hard

because at least i dont have downtime

but pugging man :\

i cant believe there are rogues that dont know how to do blind/sap the 2 pack before cannons in TD for example

literally just press distract

had a fucking rogue yesterday that KILLED SPOTTERS

in siege

like they were rooted

and he made a beeline to kill them

[narrow abyss]

I got burned out from texting and DMing and chasing everyone around

To sit down for more than one run

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's whats getting to me puzzle

[sick sentinel]

Well idk

[narrow abyss]

When it’s five people for a Session

It’s great

[sick sentinel]

I just wait for my healer to be in on

[narrow abyss]

But getting everyone together. Especially on push week when seemingly everyone has RL stuff

It’s aids

[sick sentinel]

And then I pick 3 of the 6-7 dps waiting for a spot

They fight over it

And when one gets tired/is done somebody else replaces him

Like insta

[lusty grotto]

thats my problem

my healer is godlike

rdruid does everything correctly

but he afks for 2 hours

i just need to pug a little more maybe find more people

[royal marten]

There's always something

[lusty grotto]

i also have a godlike resto shaman, but last week he fucked up hard and he hasn't asked me for keys since

and then there's my brother the mw monk, he fucks up constantly because hes not able to play regularly due to med school

[sick sentinel]

Man working has it's perks even tho it fucking sucks
I can buy a subscription to raidbots because fuck waiting

[sick sentinel]

What Horde race would be the best for a prot warrior? in terms of survivability and damage

[lusty grotto]

any

[umbral forge]

Nightborne for looks

[lusty grotto]

the differences are inconsequential

[umbral forge]

Tauren/HMT for survivability

[lusty grotto]

jettom didn't we have a conversation about this

[umbral forge]

But the differences so small

Just go Nightborne.

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

Go nightelf

[covert cypress]

Ew nightborne

[umbral forge]

IntenseNerdRage gets it

[lusty grotto]

ew nigthborne male

😉

[covert cypress]

Ew nightborne anything

[lusty grotto]

lul

[covert cypress]

I see there is another weeb herw

[lusty grotto]

nightborne fems look good

[covert cypress]

I like velves better

[lusty grotto]

the fuck

[covert cypress]

Fuck u

[lusty grotto]

that escalated quickly

[covert cypress]

U question my opinion

REEEEEEEE

[lusty grotto]

i absolutely hate anime

but whatever !

[narrow abyss]

Lol

[umbral forge]

Well he's a KyoAni (British word for cigarette) so yeah

[covert cypress]

inner weeb intensifies REEEEEEEEEEEE

[narrow abyss]

My healer goes on hour and a half dog walks

[lusty grotto]

sounds like mine puzzle

[narrow abyss]

Between one run and the next

[lusty grotto]

is his name drunk

[narrow abyss]

No clue how that happens

[lusty grotto]

or shane

[narrow abyss]

Nah his name is hooch

But he doesn’t tell us

Just disappear

I call him

[lusty grotto]

yeah

exactly like mine

[narrow abyss]

He’s like yea I’m at dog park walking dog I’ll be back in 45

Da guy

Fuq

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[umbral forge]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

i said it

did you see the part where it says fems

and not males

cough twig leg

[covert cypress]

Void elves>nightborne 🤷

[lusty grotto]

why would you even consider any other race in alliance besides Night Elf, Dwarf and Dark Iron?

imagine not having imba M+ racials

[covert cypress]

Becuz its my OPINION so fuck u

[lusty grotto]

bro

you need to calm down

[covert cypress]

I am calm😐

[lusty grotto]

not by the 3 whole fuck you's you've dropped

[covert cypress]

Who takes "fuck u" seriously

[lusty grotto]

4

[umbral forge]

You're so rude

So abrasive

[covert cypress]

Who?

Its a joke lmao

[umbral forge]

Why do you act like this I when you can be better

[covert cypress]

Act like what

[slow crystal]

Sorry. Wrong channel. Thot this was prot disco.

[lusty grotto]

uhh...

it is the prot channel, what's up

[covert cypress]

Idk y im in here anyway i dont even play prot lmao

[narrow abyss]

Lol

Shits spicy

[slow crystal]

@lusty grotto joking because I have to scroll up pages to find anything class related right now.

[cerulean mist]

Hey there, Prot Paladin leveling up a Prot warrior alt here, just wanted to ask if our tank spec is considered a good pick for Mythic +?

[narrow abyss]

I mean I think it’s largely figured out

Just answering questions for FOTM rerollers

[umbral forge]

@cerulean mist it's the meta pick right now.

[covert cypress]

If you know how to play it

A bad prot warrior is still a bad rank

[outer dew]

In all honesty

[covert cypress]

Tank*

[outer dew]

I think you're better off piloting a paladin to push higher keys

If you're just pugging a warrior can carry

If you're all inhouse the paladin can do some nutty pulls

[cerulean mist]

Oh really, thought the lack of a counter against spells (outside of spell reflection) really hurt the class

[lusty grotto]

prot paladins are decent in keys

[umbral forge]

Ignore Pain

Just ignore half the spells

[cerulean mist]

So it's not just a physical damage reduction but an overall damage reduction? Okay, that sounds really good.

[outer dew]

I mean, you have the rest of your group to deal with kicks

And it becomes less punishing if you're pushing damage

Less risk of something going off

[sick sentinel]

Our biggest weakness is dots, I would say magic isn't really even that bad against us

Because we have so much to deal with magic, I've yet to encounter something magic heavy that was a problem

[cerulean mist]

At least you guys can take big hits, Prot Paladins are squishy as hell without mits

[covert cypress]

Actually can someone explain shield block (yea yea ik stupid question but i wanna try prot now)

[lusty grotto]

yeah

the icy veins guider can

its in #268491842637660160

[covert cypress]

Cuz when i use shield block it doesnt seem t do shit

[undone sun]

it's damage reduction against blockable damage

[cerulean mist]

Don't get me wrong, I love my Paladin (she's my main) but it can be a bit of a pain having to manage the cooldowns

[undone sun]

doesn't fully negate damage, just a portion

[narrow abyss]

Do a big pull with shield block and one without. You’ll notice the difference

[covert cypress]

O guess i should go look at a guide

When i used to play prot i used to pair shield block with ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

.....

[covert cypress]

Idk if thats something i should be doing😂

[lusty grotto]

you were playing prot wrong

[covert cypress]

Clearly

And i said USED

Back in Legion i did

[lusty grotto]

if you can't manage cooldowns on prot pally, you're gonna have a bad time with warrior @cerulean mist

[covert cypress]

I was probably playing it wromg

[lusty grotto]

because it's more or less the same, except they are mostly reduced by AM

[narrow abyss]

I don’t think warrior is that bad honestly

[lusty grotto]

i didnt say it was bad at all

[narrow abyss]

But idk if it’s because I got really good or because I really suck

[cerulean mist]

Oh no, I can manage my cooldowns on Pally just fine and I'm only like lv 50 on my warrior, so I haven't gotten to the stage where I need to really learn the class

[narrow abyss]

Could go either way 😂

[lusty grotto]

im just not sure why a prot pally would want to roll a warrior

except for fotm rerolling shennanigans

[narrow abyss]

I mean warrior is so meta right now

[lusty grotto]

their dps is comparable, etc

[cerulean mist]

Mostly because I needed to roll my lightforged something and my Draenei was already a paladin

I only just started playing the game over a year ago

and I've only really started leveling alts like about six months ago

[lusty grotto]

k

well its not much different

whereas you keep sotr up, you keep shield block up

1 sec doing oppulence

[umbral forge]

@lusty grotto
There's a surprisingly large amount of players standing outside of the Meta. Like I know a Prot Warrior who uses Punish cause that's what he likes

[lusty grotto]

🤢

anyway that's not what we're talking about

[narrow abyss]

Realize in this game you can’t compared against the average

[lusty grotto]

our talent picks are not "meta"

they are those because they are the best

[narrow abyss]

The bell curve on players who actually really know what icyveins is...

[lusty grotto]

your friend is not "against the meta" hes just flat out retardd

[umbral forge]

Oh no he's not a friend I did a key with him and I was like "wait this schmuck is running Heavy Repurcussions, Punish and Devestator? I need 2 see dis"

[mortal brook]

3x bfi, 3x reck flurry

[lusty grotto]

why?

[mortal brook]

you know. to be outside the meta :kappa:

[umbral forge]

Just don't go for leech

[lusty grotto]

that's not being outside the meta

that's being stupid

[mortal brook]

we stack indestructible around here tyvm

[lusty grotto]

of course we do

its the superior tertiary

[umbral forge]

Guys

We have all overlooked Avoidance.

[mortal brook]

soaking ires is for the tanks that dont do dmg

[patent flower]

You guys don’t even know, just go BSx3 and RFx3 ezpz oh and leech on weapon.

[brisk ferry]

Indestructible shield is a very serious money saver.

[narrow abyss]

🖕

Wrong finger

☝️

[proper locust]

is there a haste cap for prot?

[narrow abyss]

There we go

No

As much haste as u can without sacrificing ilvl

[proper locust]

😃

like 5 ilvl or ilvl. period

[lusty grotto]

no

0 ilvl

[narrow abyss]

Me personally I’d say ilvl period.

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all

[daring patrol]

can world quest trinkets actually tf up to a high level? or does it cap somewhere

i dont think ive seen one past 370

[lusty grotto]

i dont think WQ ones do

but emmisary ones can

[spice ferry]

Far as I know there isn’t a cap, but gl getting a super tf from 360 to like 400+

[sick sentinel]

I once got a 340 pants from a WQ TF to 380 in 8.0, so u can get trinkets to do not but very rare

Only weapons have the 10 ilvl caps

[red dock]

I feel like this is obvious but Merekthas fang is bad for tanking right

[lusty grotto]

you cant move, or block during its channel

[red dock]

Alrighty, thought so. Ty

[lusty grotto]

6th oppulence kill

with bonus roll

-no diamond

"dear diary, why is my rng is bad"

[outer dew]

i don't play with a friend

because he's a dps main

and took my opulence

trinket

[lusty grotto]

what a dick

[narrow abyss]

Major dick

[sick sentinel]

Ughhhhhh

I need to do 5 more dungeons for my aotc for my warrior

Bleh

[spice ferry]

what

[pastel wraith]

Hello guys ! 😃 I would like to know if there is any haste amount I should look for in m+ ?

[broken kite]

lots

[foggy plover]

is there someone who would like to tank alliance eu 14 siege of boralus? going for timed run

[pastel wraith]

there is no cap in haste ? i currently have 26% haste

[undone sun]

no cap

not reachable

[sick sentinel]

^ true, especially since we are supposed to be using the meta build with the best stat in the game rn

[sick sentinel]

op vs blood siphon, opinions/facts?

M+*

[undone sun]

OP is incredibly strong

siphon.... is alright

[raw trail]

Hello fellow warriors, how are you dealing with the 376 scallywags that pull and drop sanguine everytime you thunderclap in Tol Dagor?

[empty inlet]

Make a better route

[raw trail]

im following dratnos route

[empty inlet]

Did you skip the buff level

[raw trail]

yes

the issue i run into is jes level with the scallywags

just seein if anyone is pulling them seperate to contorl them or if that is a big time loss

basically i will try to los strikers and arsonists to move them from the sanguine being dropped by the scallywags who die instantly and it quickly becomes a clusterfuck from the pools and caster/throwers

[lusty grotto]

i mean buff level is easy to handle anyway

you got what? 4 mobs?

[raw trail]

3 strikers and an arsonist ye

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i mean there's no avoiding it on jes level

gotta do the best you can to just maneuver that shit around

and have a friendly knockbacker in your group

im probably not gonna try TD again this week due to that level alone, fuck it

unless there's no avoiding it

[sick sentinel]

Was gonna do more m+ for my warrior to get the achieve

I'll wait till next week

[lusty grotto]

you mean the 15 achieve?

[sick sentinel]

+10

[lusty grotto]

ah

[raw trail]

the only thing i am gonna for sure for td this week is swap to safeguard instead of the thunderclap range

[sick sentinel]

I'm unfortunately not going to try to go for top ten overall tank this season

[lusty grotto]

safeguard? why? for cannons?

[raw trail]

i mean anything just to not have the thunderclap range buff lol

[sick sentinel]

I'm not having too much fun tanking and sanguine is the poop

[lusty grotto]

heh

[sick sentinel]

I think because prot is meta now it's kinda sucked the fun away from me

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

you're not the only one from what i can gather

see all the bears popping up 😛