the tank or a healer would prob get swapped tho
#protection
distant crystal
ionic fern
We just have DH's and warriors who just blow everything up.
distant crystal
arms is so fun that fight
sand condor
Ohyes
distant crystal
with 2 on use trinkets
sand condor
Those demonhunters
distant crystal
warbreaker lolstorm trinket for every add set
sand condor
Loool
distant crystal
i got my 99 on warrior in a pug early in the tier
cause the other dps was so bad and i had a beefy lion's strength + knot
old zephyr
How do you deal with the Damage buff of them boss then ?
distant crystal
and triple lord of war
you just sorta grin and bear it
it's much harder on tanks/heals but doable if you outgear it
distant crystal
HC cheese strat
old zephyr
My dps are monkas they Will get oblitzrated by coin shower
distant crystal
so coin shower never gets soaked
you treat it like mythic basically
immune/bop or kys
old zephyr
Okay
distant crystal
i guess you would need a couple dps to go right and you could do it on mythic in theory
as long as there's someone besides the tank/heal to get swapped
old zephyr
But that's notre gonna work for me at 405 average ilvl hc conclave is still ร wall
distant crystal
but i imagine the dps/healing requirement would be astronomical in opulence's room
distant crystal
i think the sensible parse strat for mythic is just to stack rubies and topazes
except for the designated parsers who get opal
ionic fern
The sensible parse strat for mythic as a prot warrior is to bring only ST DPS'ers. ๐ฆ
So you can clap all the adds.
distant crystal
and maybe bring an extra heal so you can survive an extra add wave
or wait, opal caps out after 2nd wave right
i guess you still get more mobs to pad and a higher % of time aoe padding with an extra wave tho
you gotta potion + clap first wave, suicide, get rezzed, and should be able to pot again for last wave
white hamlet
Hey guys, quick question should I drop 400 ilvls for 1% leech?
sand condor
no
small storm
why would you drop Ilvl to get leech? Just get a bette rhealer
sand condor
leeeeeeeeeech is a meme
distant crystal
no 1% leech is only worth ~40 ilvl
silk mortar
Late april fools ๐
white hamlet
Ah okay thanks I'll keep that in mind I heard leech was really op
sand condor
dont make @ionic fern slap you by spreading it
that was the aprils fool joke
where you run with the max leech build
silk mortar
Leech is nice to have, but you shouldnt drop any major ilvls for it
white hamlet
Kkty
small storm
leech is useless unless you have around 20%, so try aim for that
sand condor
mccan bad
no
dont let anyone spec into leech
unless you;re a chad and get siphoning on your weapon
sand condor
this meme has gone too far
outer dew
mint imp
How many block do i need in default? Without any buffs or traits? 42,5% is the cap?
silk mortar
You should always aim for more block even if you hit the so called "cap". Not all blocks will be critical
ionic fern
No, there is no block "cap" you can aim for.
mint imp
And is there some haste cap? I have about 30% default and in raid with BL i am going sometime more than 100%
undone sun
no
ionic fern
No, there is no reachable haste cap either.
mint imp
Ok, so I can focus more on mastery and lower my haste then... THANKS!
undone sun
what
silk mortar
to much haste
empty inlet
yo boys how do you deal with honor guard in atal
ionic fern
@mint imp
Stat wise you go ilvl>haste>=everything else.
Meaning that you just prioritize item level and if you have 2 pieces with same ilvl but different stats you prefer the one with haste on it.
empty inlet
is there certain mechanic on that mob i need to know ?
ionic fern
Bait bleeds on any of the pets if you can.
If you have a pet class in the grp atleast.
ionic fern
It's proximity based jeah.
mint imp
@ionic fern OK, i would say ilvl>haste>mastery>=everything else. no?
empty inlet
hmm weird my group didn't get any debuff bleed last time
but we got fuck by his constant aoe
ionic fern
The secondaries are fairly close together so you don't need to prioritize anything else than haste after ilvl in that order.
mint imp
I am in the sitation that i am wasting my rage sometimes while tanking... Revenge procs all the time and Ignore pain still full, no shield block charges ready... 100rage. Its pissing me off when i cannot manage it properly ๐
mint imp
Ok, it seems to me like waste... 40rage for 10K bonus to IP absorb but ok thanks
ionic fern
It's better than over capping rage which does nothing.
Atleast if you refresh your IP AM takes effect
mint imp
indeed
strong forum
I often press IP more to get AM rolling than for the actual refresh on the shield
oak ice
Clap clap clap
sand condor
Block, Clap, SLap
sand condor
arent you a brown name
brittle owl
well yeah
newcomer, need to learn and assert myself
before i take a ripe color
@ionic fern didn't get colored as a paladin but made it as a warrior so i am trying my luck as well kek
sand condor
paluldin
brittle owl
that's more than 3 words
S M H
i will come back here in 8.2
and school yo ass
just you wait
ionic fern
THUN DER CLAP.
ionic fern
<-earned my gold name by telling people to thunder clap.
sand condor
<- i can clap, but can i gold
gaunt dawn
think about it this way
thunderclap is on GCD
if you delay by 0.5s during avatar
thats ~3/4 claps lost
๐ก
thats aprox 2 meme reviews
๐ Thunder ๐ Clap
gaunt dawn
After Jaina ๐ฎ
brittle owl
was about to say that ๐
ionic fern
How far are you?
gaunt dawn
brittle owl
big oof
gaunt dawn
heart ๐ of ๐ frost ๐
gaunt dawn
tom's a good boy ๐ก
he's been benched for 2 tiers in a row
let him have his spotlight
brittle owl
feelstomman
gaunt dawn
i got banned during the class discord shit posting event
i pointed out the prot pal APL shouldnt have the paladin dying every time AD is used
brittle owl
bUt Ad Is cHeAt DeF
brittle owl
LR proccing is technically a dps increase
crisp pecan
Well, i am totally relying on my PUG keys ๐
ionic fern
Eeeh, not really. There's only Tantrum when everyone gets low and the healer can plan CD*s around that.
old zephyr
Well UR Last boss
umbral forge
what if mythic raiding had affixes.
umbral forge
Like Grong with Grievous or Conclave with Necrotic
old zephyr
Tyranical mecatorque with explosive and volcanic
umbral forge
Sanguine Opulence
old zephyr
Oh jet I though about you yesterday
Went raiding with my alt again and...
Oh god it was a shitshow
4 healing 14 Man conclave
Still can't keep everyone ร live
zinc vessel
Imagine raiding mythic on a tyrannical week omegalul
wooden radish
@ionic fern ๐
ionic fern
Good morning kind sir.
weary nacelle
How do you find this week's affixes? - sang, forti, grievous?
tranquil jungle
pretty good, dungeon dependant. As long as people don't derp with freezing/stunning adds in Sanguine, trash melts fairly well, as do bosses
primal sable
Boring and annoying
jovial haven
so there's an interview on wowhead with Ion and they mention the mdi comp, in his response he does not mention anything about warrior nerfs or changes. just says you give the best players these options, they will use the best. so we may be saved from nerfs, at least for now
rugged vale
In the highest echelons of play they'll take every advantage they can get. Just so happens to be that warrior stands a bit above the rest at that level but for the most part all are perfectly viable up till that point where 95%+ of the player base is
jovial haven
yep, so mdi may not get prot warriors nerfed after all
weary nacelle
That's happy news, but being honest and I mean no disrespect to the wow community, but players are often dump as f. I've been getting whispers from random guys i've grouped it with before, even friends - "oh so you're playing the meta", "did you see warrior best tank" and shit like that.
What i'm trying to say is that the mdi comp affects 1% of the playerbase, but still the remaining 90% take example of it
So everyone thinks other tanks are bad now, because they were not part of the mdi contest.
i see people trying to replicate the mdi comps even in LFG.. you can imagine its a pure failure.. Sadly, not many people use their common sense and brain to know that the mdi comp doesn't reflect the game, but just a small piece of it.
hollow thorn
Other tanks are certainly worse, but that doesnt mean unplayable. What sucks about the community is that if its not the B E S T, then im not bringing it to my +10
weary nacelle
exactly
you can see groups in lfg - "LF Tank - Warrior" and other similar examples
rugged vale
So long as I am not a complete and utter detriment to my team at some point in time, I'll be playing my warrior. Everyone else can figure out what that means for them. I won't switch off
weary nacelle
Of course, warrior for life, man! Been having bad days and good days, sometimes we shine, sometimes we don't. It's the playstyle I love and the feeling of supporting your main class in bad and good.
hollow thorn
I saw a group for Temple last week
that wanted a bdk
not everyone wants prot warriors : P
hollow thorn
Prot warriors are pretty much mandatory on Tyranicall UR and Temple keys as spell reflect is massive on the first bosses
Imagne doing first boss in Temple without spell reflect ๐ does stupid amounts of dmg
weary nacelle
To be honest, defensive wise other tanks should be fine as well - monks for instance just take the hit with iron brew, and clear the stagger with the puryf brew. Job done and you can barely feel any hit from it.
what you don't have is the dmg you return to the boss
hollow thorn
The value of Spell Reflect on those bosses is that the fight is much shorter, spell reflect does enough dmg on first boss temple to skip an extra static shock that might have wiped ur group
weary nacelle
ye, that's true
umbral forge
I rerolled from Blood DK to Prot Warrior halfway through season 1 because I wanted to play something "Not meta"
Then the Ignore Pain thing came in
weary nacelle
๐
umbral forge
I'm rerolling to Vengeance now if anyone wants to know what the meta tank of S3 will be.
umbral forge
I can't give up the clapping and the leaping
rugged vale
Vengeance is second most enjoyable for myself
hollow thorn
Vengeance feels like poop to play, cant face tank and u just run ๐คท
Soul Fragments or w/e they are called also feels really awkward
opal peak
Nah gotta go bear if u wanna play next meta
sand egret
^
weary nacelle
the 4th affix next season will be a harsh debuff on the tank, where druids would be able to clear it be shifting to another form and back. So they would be bis
umbral forge
only issue with demon hunters is that Nightborne can't be Demon Hunters
Which is a wasted opportunity THEY ALREADY USE THE NIGHT ELF SKELETON
AND VOID ELVES DEMON HUNTERS
Realistically
It's gonna be Azshara themed.
Probably something something drowning
hollow thorn
Water
hollow thorn
u know what would be fun
the Currecnt cast in Shrine
tht happens durin the entire dungeon
like quaking
umbral forge
maybe occasionally the party will be affected by a negative bloodlust called "Negative current" which reduces haste by 50%
but other times it'd be a "positive current" which was a 50% haste buff for a few seconds
blizz LOVES their RNG
weary nacelle
oh snap ๐
"And Method loses the next MDI because the RNG was not in their favour. The 50% buff went right on time for Abra Keydabra to beat the boss faster."
umbral forge
"During Kings Rest, Method had negative current during Shadow of Zul, completely negating their saved bloodlust.. yeah King's Rest on Fortified is such a RNG decider.."
Seriously though biggest reason I love Reaping is that we have complete control over it
I hope they stick to affixes like that
rugged vale
As an affix though, Reaping is about as non-creative as it gets
umbral forge
hey can I introduce you to my friend teeming
or fortified & tyrannical
they can get even less creative
should be an affix known as "Truesight" where all mobs just have truesight
hollow thorn
biggest rogue nerf
mint imp
leech>ilvl? ๐
ionic fern
๐
mint imp
How is the avoidance on it?
trim yarrow
IF BS or a second DC mythic+
umbral forge
Second DC
trim yarrow
thanks trying to get my raid set and my m+ set sorted
ionic fern
Just remember that second DC only provides you with more DPS and no other defensive value.
hollow thorn
IF
weary thorn
IF is pretty solid for m+
trim yarrow
i got 3BoM 2 dc and 1 IF right now
jovial haven
as far as the other tanks being bad, i would have to disagree, i also play bdk and prot pally and have no issues in the keys i run from a tank point. now healer issues and dps issues happen no matter which tank im on
i will say i tend to have more fun in keys on warrior, but no tanking issues with the others. but i do not play vengeance or bear so there is that lol
weary thorn
I've got a guy in my guild that fucks around on guardian in some of our all guild keys. Guy pulls 21k overall in 15+ and tanks them just fine
now we dont push 20 and up yet, so I wont comment on high key viability, but they do just fine in most circumstances
crisp pecan
Guardian, whats that
umbral forge
it's what GW2 calls paladins IIRC
jovial haven
well tbf @weary thorn a good player can make a bad spec look good as long as it's not just absolute dumpster fire. I've even seen some good vengeance players, but not my style so won't try them
old zephyr
isn't that a druid than missclicked when picking restoraition as a spec?
weary thorn
to play devil's advocate, if a good player playing a bad spec makes it look good, and it is good enough for the content being run....then why is it bad
its just not meta
theres a difference
jovial haven
perception most times
but what also causes some of that perception is that it takes good players to make the spec look good. it's not something a lot of people can pick up and make work. Granted there are bad tanks of every tank spec, but some more than others
umbral forge
@weary thorn
Let's say you have an aquarium. It holds 500 liters of water.
You have a water hose you can use to fill up the aquarium. It's automatic. It takes you 3 minutes to set up.
Or you can carry 50 10 liter buckets and gradually fill the aquarium up.
The water hose is the meta build.
The water bucket are the other builds.
They all deliver the same end result. It's just that one is a lot more convenient and at times easier to play, I.E Brewmaster Monk during start of Uldir.
weary thorn
oh I get it, I understand the difference between meta and off-meta
what I'm saying is that I dont think that guardians are bad
umbral forge
not by any means
weary thorn
unless the trend is to just use bad and off-meta interchangably
umbral forge
but it's a lot harder to play Guardian than what it is to play Brewmaster
weary thorn
well yea, its hard to play brewmaster poorly even when you mongo it
you have one button you have to hit
umbral forge
And I personally find Prot Paladin an indomitable beast of difficulty.
I personally just find Prot Warrior amazing.
Spell Reflect is fun.
Thunder Clap is fun.
Flaunting my 3x BoM 3x DC DPS on trash in dazar alor is fun
the AM is fun and punishing
you can do crazy stuff with it no other specc can
I.E solo tank Grong.
weary thorn
warriors have received a lot of love with scaling and traits working well together
umbral forge
take Paku for all of heroic Conclave
weary thorn
then look at bdk who actively take every trait they can before taking a class specific trait
because they are dog shit
umbral forge
Dog shit has an use.
it can be used as fertilizer
blood traits is like your unrequited love
painfully useless
weary thorn
dog shits a pretty terrible fertilizer, probably on par with marrowblood
olive merlin
Nobody is ever happy happy when you are clapping.. they just want to nerf warrior damage
weary thorn
horse/pig/cow much more useful
olive merlin
I have a bdk too.. feels bad when you can't take the generic trait over a bdk trait
weary thorn
oh yea, and to add to that it is advised that blood dk's should almost always have loot spec set to unholy
because the tanking trinkets are by and large garbage synergy for blood
so you just remove them from the loot pool lol
brm and warrior get more use from most of them, although a lot of them are still trash (cough machimba cough)
umbral forge
When I was DK main I literally just used unholy traits so I didn't have to fork over the extra gold.
didn't notice a difference between not doing that
jovial haven
blood needs all traits reworked/scrapped and redone. you shouldn't have any spec/class that is better taking generic over spec traits
and only trinkets i look for on my dk are rezan and block lol
olive merlin
@weary thorn that's good to know.. my loot spec is still set to blood
weary thorn
really the only tanking trinket you'd want to snag is prism, most others you just want dps
olive merlin
I have prism and block on the warrior and a 405 rezan and so.ething else o the dk
weary thorn
solid setup then
olive merlin
Ancient tuskar sea charm is the other lol
weary thorn
big dick energy
dusk locust
padding on the wall with hero and that thunderclap aoe talent?
keeping bosses together, long lived adds
digital frigate
I am just blown away by this.
I have seen scary things from prot warriors. LIke, 3 bastion or 3 Defeaning swith a good healer.
Is a stupidity in Mythic+
fresh valley
digital frigate
But Wowowowow. 25k Jadefire.
royal marten
The BIGGEST booty clap build
hushed panther
Question: how tf do these prot warrs like Nerf heal like 10-12k+- on some AoE packs? Is Leech that strong? Or is it a combination of Leech, Bloodsport, Inner ring traits, etc? - I feel like even spamming IP I don't even come close to that
signal plover
That's gotta be wall/add "cheese" and a fast kill time
sturdy sable
Impassive visage helps with hps @hushed panther
signal plover
Yeah at this point in the tier I'm not surprised by the TC
signal plover
Was this mythic?
digital frigate
Yup
signal plover
I mean TC is fine for aoe memes on farm if ur raid grp is solid for it
digital frigate
These are on bosses.
hushed panther
I'm working on getting my neck up - I only have like 1 inner ring unlocked, but the pieces I have don't even have impassive (maybe 1 does) - so I guess I'm just never going to hit that amount of healing regardless
weary thorn
how often do you fall below 20% while tanking and survive on a boss?
hushed panther
But I guess thats why my healing so low
digital frigate
I don't really ever fall below 20%
weary thorn
then TC wont be hurting you
weary thorn
if you drop below 20% while actively tanking, you are going to likely die to the next hit no matter what
modern brook
Going TC > RF for parse memes just seems so low effort, tbh
weary thorn
eh, different rings
modern brook
3rf + 3tc is the true look tbh
digital frigate
I think genuinely that a group is built around it
exotic spoke
Going hard I see bull
digital frigate
I built my prot set for good survivability and decent damage
weary thorn
@ionic fern low effort
ionic fern
More like bad rbg
digital frigate
BReport Mwahi.
ionic fern
Rng*
weary thorn
I mean, I want to caveat this. TC is not going to grant you an extra 13k dps on mythic jadefire
so dont expect that lol
digital frigate
I'm not worried about mythic jadefire or mythic at all.
Well raid
I want to see how it does in Mythic+15
8D
weary thorn
you were talkin about bad rng, I have to keep a 405 chest to retain bom right now
you take care as well 9mm
modern brook
eye no questoin
weary thorn
yea, definitely eye
modern brook
like feel bad for asking
mint imp
even if there is leech?
modern brook
yes even over leech
weary thorn
there we go
modern brook
๐ค
weary thorn
@modern brook just setup a macro for posting that
mint imp
haha ๐
modern brook
honestly just pin everything i say
weary thorn
or like, get the discord bot to auto post it when someone types !leech
weary thorn
with great power comes great meme
hushed panther
i was curious more because i see some of those warrs healing a fuckton, not really just cause 'he has leech so i want leech now'
weary thorn
actively healing, or mitigation counting as healing on the charts?
primal sable
Its not healing its probably absorbs youre looking at
weary thorn
prot has victory rush healing aaaaand leech. Maybe a healthstone or pot.
not a whole lot of options aside from absorbs
hushed panther
well i'm just saying i see details in their stream and they're healing a lot more than if I get in an m+ and spam IP
weary thorn
if they are spamming IP in high content, you should be paying more attention to their rotation and rage management/generation
thats how they are able to spam IP
primal sable
Idk if its safenko or what gear he uses in m+ but he's logged out with bwonsamdi trink and prism
And those are big boy absorbs
weary thorn
prism by itself can do a lot of mitigation
primal sable
I have a 400 prism and it does around 20% of my healing in dungeons
jovial haven
don't forget if they're alchemist their pots heal for more too
idk if those register on meters though
hushed panther
you use the prism in every key? or only on higher ones you're pushing?
weary thorn
personally, if I'm pushing higher keys I use it
otherwise If I want damage I run rezan/butcher block
jovial haven
so i was thinking last night, hurt my head. but i run cauterizer on my engi helm but was thinking of switching to the other, just didn't know if the other has a tendency to accidentally pull mobs
weary thorn
the shield?
jovial haven
i think, i can't think of the name for the life of me right now
primal sable
I dont do high keys
weary thorn
absorb-o-tron?
primal sable
Last week i used my thicc ancient knot instead of prism
sand condor
oh boy yes
jovial haven
yes that one lol
olive merlin
I would think absorbo would be better?
olive merlin
I'm getting ready to craft the helm.. was going to use absobo myself
weary thorn
and yes, the robot can pull
weary thorn
as it is generally 5 yards from you
if you have both artji, I'd suggest simming for Top Gear on raidbots
brisk rain
im more concerned with survivability
weary thorn
I'd need to see the traits, I dont remember both off the top of my head
brisk rain
ill send the screen in a sec
weary thorn
Generally though ilvl provides you with the better stats for survivability. Trait wise, IV and vamp speed are still dominant depending on if you raid or m+
weary thorn
from a purely defensive standpoint ya go unifier
if you do m+ and have a good grasp of using your active mitigation I would drop bulwark for vamp speed
brisk rain
might do that
weary thorn
and honestly, the 3rd ring isnt that useful
I'd go HmC for more dps, or unstable for the crit chance
the armor granted depletes extremely fast
swapping your last two rings would give you more damage and self heals
both of which are what makes them good shoulders for m+
jovial haven
well if the bot can pull i prolly stick with cauterizer then
red bloom
Hey guys, I had an honest question, Is it somewhat viable to macro Ignore pain to an ability for M+? So i dont have to hit ignore pain seperately
jovial haven
no, cus you don't want to spam it in the sense of over lapping them
jovial haven
no because ss can reset early and thus make you overlap it
analog swift
@sand condor this May sounds dumb but I legit wear two engineer helms
Having 400 breaths at this point isnโt absurd
jovial haven
thought that was the true meta @analog swift
analog swift
Probably but yeah I have one cauterizer for KR conclave and necrotic
sand condor
i have enough to make a second ๐
weary thorn
@red bloom there is no reason to macro IP to anything else
analog swift
The other for everything else
weary thorn
you do not want to waste rage on it, when you might need a Shield block
analog swift
Still split on barrage or gizmo
weary thorn
SB > IP
red bloom
Ok and with shield block do you just use it every 6 seconds?
jovial haven
i went for haste proc on engi helm
analog swift
I ran gizmo for a long time I kinda feel like thatโs superior though with teeming week I ran average
Barrage*
weary thorn
if you can sure, otherwise you need to know your encounters to use SB when needed
you want as high an uptime on SB as possible
use IP to fill gaps, or preferably use Bolstered LS to fill SB gaps
then IP to smooth damage
red bloom
Ok and My 3 trinkets are trinket from opulence, trinket from mekka, and gore crusted butchers block. What combo should I run for M+?
jovial haven
ilvls?
weary thorn
yea ilvls matter here
analog swift
Assuming equal ilvl block and opu
red bloom
410 butchers, 405 Ramping engine, 400 Diamond prism
weary thorn
definitely butchers
jovial haven
block for sure, diamond for survival rage for dps
weary thorn
I think you could mess with RAGE in dungeons
unborn island
I'd take RAGE too
weary thorn
if you survive just fine, go block/RAGE
unborn island
Rezan+Block is nais
red bloom
rezan + block over ramping engine + block?
blood mallet has the ramping engine with more dps for single target and aoe over rezans
weary thorn
depending on ilvl, yea I'd say so. But that is one that you can sim
sure, there is a dps difference
but sims dont account for haste helping you to get SB back up
which is kind of your bread and butter
olive merlin
I have a 410 jes howler that might end up sitting in my beds now. Still going to be using the 395 block with 400 diamon
Bags*
red bloom
this week affixes with grevous man im thinking i should use the diamond
weary thorn
diamond is perfectly fine for m+
the decision is if you want to prioritize dps or surv in your trinket choices
red bloom
i guess i should chose based on affix and healer type?
weary thorn
maybe affix + healer competency
red bloom
would you say diamond is a better choice in grievous week?
weary thorn
Are you in a premade group or pugging?
red bloom
pugging
weary thorn
diamond
weary thorn
sure thing
modern brook
the only week diamond is bad is necrotic
red bloom
kk
but surely there are some weeks where I would want to just go more dps with butchers/ramping engine yea
like teeming tyranical maybe
weary thorn
bullfango, is that becuase you want the shit hitting you to die faster? or is there some weird interaction with necrotic and absorbs
@red bloom I was running diamond non stop most of this season, I only got my butchers block this monday
you'll be fine with it should you decide you like it
red bloom
Ok ๐ I bonus rolled the 405 ramping engine last night
im sure i can use it for some affixes, ill use diamond for most
what are you using now?
weary thorn
rezan's/block
olive merlin
Would you consider this week a push week or eh?
weary thorn
diamond for some dungeons with fort
this week isn't terrible
you can push quite a few dungeons past 15 without a hard time
ToS, AD, FH are all still much the same
UR is fine with a decent group too, just have to be mindful of sanguine
and the method for dropping final boss' floor sperg correctly so you dont grievous the party
That being said, last week was push week
red bloom
is the enginerring helm BiS for m+?
modern brook
@weary thorn idk if it was answered but absorbs == heals; necrotic will reduce both your IP and your diamond by 2%/stack
mortal brook
abyssal malevolence helm prob sims higher just cuz its got the golden dc/bom/op combo
engy helm should beat the rest
modern brook
make an egg
sterile pecan
hey there, I've been asked to roll warrior (which i mainly play for m+) for our jaina mythic progression, I've been watching some videos and seen POV vids of prot warrs
my question is if shield block works for her ice bolts
does anyone here know? ๐
weary thorn
if I recall correctly, it is physical damage
modern brook
#268491842637660160 has a blockable list
but yes - its why prot was used on the fight
tropic star
and enjoy looking at the damage taken / mitigated compared to you co tank
sick sentinel
400 alch trink, 400 knot of ancient fury, 370 Rezan's Gleaming Eye Question Might be obvious but what should i use for my 2nd trinket the knot or rezan trink i know the effect sometimes out ways the ilvl but just wanted to get a clarification as to whats best
open bluff
knot
open bluff
can make a case for alch trink if you use a lot of health pots, but the proc averages out to be about 15-20 ilvls less than what the trinket claims to be
(it's also of course dependent on your other trinket; if you're not married to it, you might even be able to run both knot/alch)
sick sentinel
ok thanks yeah im just using it atm since i don't have the tank trinkets from BoD yet
weary thorn
honestly I would knot use the 370 rezan's
open bluff
i see what you did there 
weary thorn
had to be done
tropic star
my cotank got a 425 grings ramge trinket, and a 420 sicketed prism tuesday
weary thorn
what
tropic star
me and my alch trinket and 405 grindstone thing are sad
inland mesa
I don't like grong's personally
open bluff
grong's is so clunky to use
weary thorn
420S prism tho, I like that
inland mesa
I just use 420 prism with socket and 410 rezan most of the time
tropic star
but it brings back memories of that nighthold trinket last expac
and fury
was glorious
inland mesa
I rolled a 415 bwonboi trinket instead of the ring, made me super sad as ring was my last 400 raid piece ๐ฆ
daring marlin
420S prism ๐๐ป
open bluff
main problem with grong's is you're giving up 3 gcds of rage
but it'll outperform devastate no problem sooo kind of worth it 
inland mesa
dude Guil, I got 2 425 and a 420 on this reclear week D:
sick sentinel
is rasta trinket pointless to use since its got a hugh CD meaning it will only work once per fight
huge*
weary thorn
the bobsandy trinket is either loved or hated
inland mesa
yes, it's garbage hence the sadness
open bluff
it's pointless to use because of multiple reasons
daring marlin
I think itโs trash. 6 min CD is omegalul
open bluff
6 minute cd, doesn't even work right half the time
does nothing for you when you don't die
open bluff
it's only worth using on prog or if you're a bad tank who's regularly at risk of being one shot
otherwise it's just 370-425 ilvls worth of main stat with no actual benefit
sick sentinel
yeah thought so, or it could be your undergeared not to say bad at tanking
red bloom
Hey guys Bastion of Might vs Blood sport?
open bluff
bom
daring marlin
bom
red bloom
oops i have blood sport equipped xd
open bluff
@sick sentinel hence the "worth using on prog"
red bloom
Iron fortress vs Filthy Tranfusion? for M+
open bluff
IF
open bluff
treacherous is pretty meh, honestly
inland mesa
yeah...why
tropic star
treacherous is highest DPS trait if you can keep it up
frank spoke
im trying to figure out how to setup the azerite spreadsheet properly with a log from my run yesterday, where do i find the demo shout cds and what is K value (mythic), is anyone able to assist me on that ? ๐
sick sentinel
dont you want def traits for raiding jiggles unless you over gear the raid then can go more dps or am i wrong
inland mesa
unless you're trying to cheeseball tank parses, ye
open bluff
there's zero benefit to surviving harder
sick sentinel
๐
open bluff
if you're not dying (or unnecessarily straining healers to keep you from dying), it's fine to go for more DPS especially as you're getting closer to a kill
inland mesa
how many progression kills are that though? usually there's still a ton of mistakes and any less healing you can take to alleviate the strain on the healers is better
weary thorn
what defensive trait is he losing in favor of TC, that should also factor in
open bluff
inland mesa
like jaina right now, I have full defensive set on to help cuz attrition is real, me throwing on some dps pieces won't help as much as dps not being bad
I'm over the jaina fight though, I find it incredibly boring
open bluff
i mean if it's callous, TC is arguably better defensively in raid
inland mesa
granted, now that I got all these WFs my M+ and raid gear is just swapping azerite and a bracer of equal ilvl lol
weary thorn
I wish that you could just opt to not open the weekly chest of dissapoint and get extra TR
red bloom
BTW sorry guys what food buff do we want for M+?
inland mesa
my chest of disappointment was huge boi M+ upgrade this week....think that's the first time this expansion it's been used
sick sentinel
i see alot of prot wars doin 20+ keys with like below5% vers is it not making you a paper tank or doesnt it matter to much
open bluff
at that level you're probably doing a bunch of kiting
can't take damage if you're not getting hit
weary thorn
it doesnt matter that much though either
inland mesa
crit haste mitigates more from recent tournament testing, and a lot if it is just what is highest ilvl
inland mesa
I'm at 5 or 6
open bluff
also worth remembering crit = parry, so more crit means more hits that do 0 damage
sick sentinel
i need to get rid of my vers then i got 12%
weary thorn
hot damn
inland mesa
if it's your highest ilvl stuff, then no you don't
exotic spoke
Isnโt it also โtechnicallyโ ranked second on our secondaries?
inland mesa
depends what content you're doing
exotic spoke
True, true
daring marlin
I have a crit set and a vers set
timber nest
How do we feel about Jaina trinket on pure ST like grong and stormwall
daring marlin
Crit set is 28% crit lol with vers set I have like 12%
inland mesa
I don't have enough equal ilvl pieces to have sets
exotic spoke
Jesus Christ thatโs a lot of parry
exotic spoke
Get fucked necrotic lol
inland mesa
I think I only have bracers both at 415 to swap >.>
lol time trials with bursting on TD, my cannons ๐ฆ
quartz quail
heya ๐ i have some problems on King on mythic. 2 things what is best for us too tank. king or adds on pull second what can i spell reflect ? i see on logs some are using it but cant find out what
also anyone have some good tips ?
strong forum
You can't reflect anything, it's used as magic dmg reduction, and you tank the adds as prot.
quartz quail
wait what
strong forum
Spell reflect reduces magic dmg taken by 25% for as long as its up
quartz quail
iam stupid why did i now know that ๐ฆ thanks dude
strong forum
The more you know
graceful vigil
Not sure if I should ask here or in ui topic, but anyone got a macro to remove all buffs from yourself? Asking specifically for Jaina last phase, to die faster ๐
broken roost
/cancelaura each one
graceful vigil
I know how to make it, but maybe someone has already a working one ๐
sturdy vigil
I heard that if you make too many lines with the cancelaura also it might not work at all or some shit
cobalt trellis
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/16202840962
@graceful vigil
gentle jewel
heyaa! what traits should one have on the engineering helmet? know its not bis but its the best one i've got atm. thinking for tier 2 and 3, not the class traits
weary thorn
Gizmo and OP imo
wild bolt
gentle jewel
was checking the high rio warriors, but only 1 in th top 10 using it, and he's hes runninng tripple unstable flames on his gear
gentle jewel
y i figured
weary thorn
Likely he's got a crit build to support both dps and crit blocking
Or he's already got enough haste for his needs and is going crit to supplement
sick sentinel
So has the icyveins guide been update that leech is our best stat yet?
sick sentinel
For that joocy leech*
weary thorn
U meme me
strong forum
Leech... Lamo
sick sentinel
It's the best stat
strong forum
Gotta get that 1% borther
weary thorn
umbral forge
leech is never a joke
modern brook
๐ฌ
weary thorn
lol, made that bullfango and nimchip
modern brook
jokes aside i think blood siphons is like super ok
i consider it > many other options
modern brook
uhhh i think that it has the potential to be
specifically in the scenario where ur at like 1.2k haste naturally w/ 0 boms
i think it could be better than life speed
weary thorn
hmm
modern brook
but like w/ bom mastery in general is really hard to justify over other options
weary thorn
I can give it a whirl just for shits
im at 1201 haste in fury with no buffs
so it would be higher in prot even before bom
modern brook
like honestly avoidance is so bad life speed i just getting a bit of 2ndaries on ur azerite
jovial haven
leech all try it together
jovial haven
nah, my dad woukdn't give 2 shits either way
weary thorn
I figure all dads care about puns, its a part of our genetic programing
jovial haven
he's old and only really cares if he has weed for the day lol
wary lantern
is there a way to get guaranteed drop on shield? ๐
tired of tanking +12 keys with 340 one
jovial haven
not really
weary thorn
run Champs with a raid full of plate wearers in tanking loot spec
jovial haven
even 4 warriors in prot spec and holy pally in prot spec for loot still not 100% chance one drops
wary lantern
and they will get shield that they cannot trade ๐
weary thorn
then no
there is no guaranteed way
never really was
thats just your best, and unrealistic, way to get a shield
wary lantern
guess the +12 would be easier with 400 shield instead of 340 right? ๐
weary thorn
yea
jovial haven
todays emissary can give one possibly, the incursions can give one possibly
wary lantern
did those already
modern brook
yeah it turns out higher gear has more stats ๐คท
wary lantern
the block from bigger ilvl tho D:
weary thorn
I mean, just spam the shit out of AD keys
wary lantern
i am spamming AD and underrot
wary lantern
already did that lol
jovial haven
dont forget TD has shield
jovial haven
i got my first 400 shield from td 2 weeks ago, then got champions shield last fri
you need better wep too
weary thorn
or, you could reroll dk and not need a shield
wary lantern
no shit ๐
weary thorn
big brain thinking
wary lantern
beggars cant be choosers
jovial haven
you can, just don't mean it'll work out
wary lantern
healers would hate me tho
weary thorn
for your healers
wary lantern
will try to get better shield 1st, will see
weary thorn
and you dont necessarily even need a 400 shield, although that would be nice
wary lantern
415 would be even better
weary thorn
you could spame 8-9 ADs for a 395 with a chance to drop higher
well yea, of course 415 would be better
a 400 paper bag would be better than what you got now
wary lantern
i am spamming 10-11 ADs and underrots with friends
jovial haven
farm m0 for shield. i mean it's not a 400 but its better than 340
wary lantern
no one getting the shield even when they run tank offspec ๐
already have IDs for M0 for second week lul
weary thorn
when I was gearing up my warrior, I just pugged other peoples AD keys until I got it
anywhere from 8-10
in keystone level
thats enough to get you a good shield decent enough to start mythic raid
jovial haven
i mean best way to increase odds of shield would be buying a stacked group for champions so if someone got shield they could trade it. usually costs less than a token
still not 100% chance but would be best chance other than getting lucky
sick sentinel
wait that 16% is WITH itf?
primal sable
I dont think thats even possible
daring marlin
No, without.
I'm off alone
That's the other set of gear I have.
no ITF with either
If I swap a ring I can have over 30% crit unbuffed but too much haste loss probably
shame this 425 ring I have doesn't have a socket ๐
sick sentinel
what the fuck is your ilvl
steel mauve
Im above 15% haste without itf
steel mauve
Feels so good
sick sentinel
I'm at 23% haste
storm isle
be lucky
daring marlin
so fuck me lol
sick sentinel
I have 6 sockets in current gear
daring marlin
ilvl wise
storm isle
how many ilvls is a socket?
daring marlin
I love the sockets
sick sentinel
the thing is
inner moth
sick sentinel
I think I have done a lot more mplus than you have done
primal sable
sick sentinel
like all of you ( except the known guys)
daring marlin
I've done a good amount but idk if I've done as much as you.
I work about 50 hours a week and go to the gym every day. ๐
at least I had luck with sockets
and my fury weapons lol
asserite can suck my ass
sick sentinel
thing is, I don't work/go to the gym/go to class
I hang out with my friends a bunch but that's about it
storm isle
what azeritegear would you go for in m+?
sick sentinel
3xBoM 1xDC other 2 depends on what you have
engineering helmet is also good if you dont have BoM piece to replace
primal sable
Does default ui show you block rating?
open bluff
yes, hover over your equipped shield
it's the only source of block rating
(aside from IF)
umbral forge
I think I play more than you, Kaege.
open bluff
good luck; there's literally only two sources of block rating so it's really not worth tracking
(if it's any indication of how useless that knowledge is, dejacharacterstats doesn't even track it)
umbral forge
I play 4000-4800 minutes a week
open bluff
only if you're not wearing your highest ilvl pieces
ocean acorn
i mean compared to styx
primal sable
Im 413 equipped lmao
Just one socket tho
I might just be doing something wrong tho
clear quarry
What is a good %% to aim for, when talking about Shield Block uptime during a raid encounter? Is 55% considered very low?
lusty grotto
you want effective uptime
overall uptime does not really matter
having said that, if you are saying 55% effective uptime... yes it's low
ocean acorn
u want to block as many hits as possible
clear quarry
Say on the Conclave fight? What kind of uptimes are you guys seeing? I usually see 50-60% on both IP and SB.
lusty grotto
you can't do uptime on the SB buff
clear quarry
I try to keep SB as much as possible, and IP to fill the gaps when possible.
lusty grotto
that's exactly what i said in the 2nd line
clear quarry
Right, effective agro time, correct?
lusty grotto
yes
clear quarry
No sense in running SB if you aren't tanking.
lusty grotto
you want to know the % of blocked hits
clear quarry
I get it, now what if you are holding Paku the entire fight while the raid zergs the others?
primal sable
Well you could SB to buff SS damage
lusty grotto
i.e.
you want to know if SB or LS was up when you were getting hit by a blockable attack
dense flame
This week helps purge healers from your run list ๐ค
lusty grotto
that's the uptime that matters - we call that effective uptime
dense flame
Those who canโt deal with grevious 
analog swallow
I have the biggest shield
lusty grotto
mine is better tho
clear quarry
@lusty grotto thank you very much. ๐ I appreciate the help,
umbral forge
@lusty grotto we are so close to greatness
calm trout
Should i upgrade engi head or alchi trinket first on 415 ?
ionic fern
Depends on what other options you got on those spots.
calm trout
400 Engineering head ๐
and 400 Alchi Trinket and 405 Waycrest Trinket rn
and 415 Kings Rest Trinket and 400 Jes Howler
:/
ionic fern
I mean, your trinket choices are pretty solid.
calm trout
So go for the 415 Azerit Head?
silk mortar
It got my vote
ionic fern
I'd also go for the head.
open bluff
jes/block
calm trout
idc about raid tbh
modest finch
Any tips on getting more aggro on many mobs in m+?
modest finch
Ok, will try more precasting of it ๐
old zephyr
Or hire a rogue for Tricks
modest finch
Also would you go with Menace or rumbling earth?
old zephyr
Or ร boomy for trees, you setup agro while they tank
lusty grotto
if you're having agro issues as a warrior, you're not prioritizing your skills correctly
neither
silk mortar
If its between those two, rumbling, but stormbolt is way superior ๐
lusty grotto
stormbolt
old zephyr
I go with stormbolt =)
lusty grotto
there's also the fact that your dps might outgear the shit out of you
modest finch
Ok, its mostly when mobs are a little spread out i struggle getting all aggroed
silk mortar
Or they blow CDs when you havent even pulled ๐ค
modest finch
Yeah, some can be 20ilvl over at times
old zephyr
You can shockwave at the begining as well7to get ร couple cgds in before they start running for your mates
modest finch
I was not aware of leap and taunt!
lusty grotto
20 ilvl over lmao
modest finch
Thanks, thats a massive tip for me ๐
lusty grotto
yeah you're def gonna have problems there
if theyre spread out make sure you have Crackling Thunder maybe
modest finch
also tossing heroic throw before i go could also make it easier having longer aggro on them?
Before charge
modest finch
True, just were thinking of standalone mobs. Almost completely new to this so will need some more practice aswell ;D
Nevermind weird questions ๐
old zephyr
For standalones taunt Will solve 99.9% of issues
primal sable
Just taunt first global
cyan jolt
I tried searching, however I couldnt find any results regarding it; is revenge a part of the standard rotation?
silk mortar
Use it when free procs, also when you are not tanking any damage so you can afford to spend the rage on offense
cyan jolt
I see. The issue I find is that it seems a fair amount of high key tanks utilitize options not recommended by IV.
lusty grotto
are you a high key tank?
cyan jolt
Getting there.
lusty grotto
ah
so what they do does not apply to you, right?
how do you know their priority system isn't aligned with our guide?
cyan jolt
I'm sure it does to some extent, however I can't just blindly disregard an evident source of success. You know what I mean?
lusty grotto
its our guide
if you have questions
you can ask them
but don't say you can't find it, because it's there
cyan jolt
Willco. Thank you very much. I didn't find the revenge answer because I searched this tab rather than the guide.
Mainly because I wanted to see if there was any discussion.
But again, tyvm.
"Avatar Icon Avatar should be cast on cooldown as well, preferably right before casting Demoralizing Shout Icon Demoralizing Shout."
Is that because the sprite animation of shout is shorter thus giving you more claps?
signal plover
Nah it's all about GCDs
lusty grotto
the sprite animation?
cyan jolt
Your character animation, sorry.
cyan jolt
Cool. So GCD then
lusty grotto
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oof i just got a 410 briny barnacle.. for dps thats good for prot right?
next goblet
damn
lusty grotto
but good if you don't have anything else
next goblet
i have a 395 jes and 380 rezan
lusty grotto
use it then
next goblet
over the jes or the rezan? im assuming the jes because the haste from rezan is stupid good
supple path
I'd use a 395 jes over a 380 rezan.
lusty grotto
there is no haste threshhold
next goblet
^
supple path
Sorry, I believe he meant, "is your level of haste VIABLE"
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thats why i was assuming to keep the rezan lol
cyan jolt
What Censuras said.......
supple path
But in all seriousness, jes is a good enough trinket that it's not worth sacrificing significant ilvls for a rezan.
next goblet
0 stacks of ITF leaves me at 22% haste.. 5 stacks leaves me at....40%
supple path
And the only real haste breakpoint is having enough to shield block x3 in a row at start of pulls.
Which with the talent is pretty damned low, though I forget exact number.
you've got plenty.
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bye bye rezan
lusty grotto
there's no real breakpoint
you can have whatever % of haste, as long as you're wearing your highest ilvl, you are fine
supple path
let's skip the 2 hour long semantics argument and agree that it's not really worth gearing around, but that it is indeed a threshold upon which a beneficial change happens.
lusty grotto
the idea here is not to complicate suggestions
they were specifically not asking about where these so-called breakpoints are
they are asking about gear
and we have to dispell the notion that you need a certain number of haste for whatever reason
supple path
There's a difference between, "Don't gear around haste breakpoints." and "THEY DON'T EXIST. DON'T SUGGEST THEY DO, YOU'LL CONFUSE THEM"
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do we have a trinket list anywhere? i checked the pins and dont see one unless its on icyveins O.o
cyan jolt
We do though.
lusty grotto
they see the word "breakpoint" or whatever, and automatically assume they need to reach those
next goblet
alright alright alright lets just all get along, the question was answered we all gucci
supple path
Icy Veins does have a short trinket list, though it's not really complete.
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damnm