Is it better than the Jadefire?
#protection
long raft
distant crystal
i mean it's no sea-brawler's greathelm but it's aight
willow scarab
Yes
willow scarab
It’s fun to use as well
distant crystal
😄
willow scarab
Plus the bleed removal was good for conclave prog
distant crystal
has anyone used the synaptic a decent amount or
willow scarab
Every ring is good
sick sentinel
and for grievous, it removes a stack
you use gismo
gismo is the best trait for legit everything
distant crystal
we were doing conclave prog last night and people switched back to absorbotron
willow scarab
I use the spark coil or whatever
distant crystal
cause the heal one procs so rarely
sick sentinel
you are using the objectively wrong trait
gismo is the best trait in 99% of the occassions
distant crystal
i feel like for tanking there's very little objectively wrong/right
sick sentinel
both offencively and defensively
distant crystal
so much depends on the pulls you're doing, how your healer heals, etc
sick sentinel
rank one prot
willow scarab
5% less damage on every mob
sick sentinel
one of those that have siphoning as well?
willow scarab
No siphoning
sick sentinel
he might have tried it out
willow scarab
It was on stream not on armory so no troll
sick sentinel
he might have done it for like a motherlode or something
distant crystal
it's time for leech memes
sick sentinel
@distant crystal 👉 🚪
sick sentinel
you are replacing BoM with it
long raft
the only thing i see tho is i wont have 3 BoM
sick sentinel
if you are using eng helm you are forced to 2 BoM
you need something to replace your third bom
long raft
Is it worth it?
tranquil burrow
sand egret
NSFW
sick sentinel
grats! now you have 4 BoM
exotic spoke
Jesus Christ grats
sand egret
cheatin ass mofo
long raft
So then for the Eng Helm, go with DC-Gizmo-OP-Auto-Self-Cauterizer?
exotic spoke
I was just talking about a fourth BoM today or yesterday too >.>
sand egret
ugh fuck now I'm going to have to go do that damn turtle quest when I get home..
exotic spoke
I’d replace my 415 howler with that
sick sentinel
I just stick with self cauterizer because I am too lazy to keep reforging
wary lantern
do i need to have set % of vers before enchanting haste?
sick sentinel
@wary lantern you just get haste
exotic spoke
Always haste
sick sentinel
we do not need vers
sand egret
my rings are legit, so I just want to hit the trinket lottery like that dude
sick sentinel
if I could have 0 vers, I would
exotic spoke
I need to get better stats on my gear now.
wary lantern
am asking cos i have like 4%
sand egret
410 Emblem of the Zanalari....
wary lantern
wont i get rekt in m+?
exotic spoke
You good. Get haste
sand egret
the.fucking.dream.
wary lantern
exotic spoke
That trinkets only from WQ right?
willow scarab
Those weapons
distant crystal
on tourney realm you have access to 415 wq gear right?
exotic spoke
Oof sorry man
sick sentinel
shit my guy
exotic spoke
rip that shield
distant crystal
you can get that silly haste/mastery ring that procs a shield
sick sentinel
you just need more gear
wary lantern
i hit 120 not even 20 hours ago
sand egret
pay your respects ya'll
oblique garnet
I have 3% vers
sick sentinel
ohhh
willow scarab
Go drop 5k on haste enchants
wary lantern
just got the rings
exotic spoke
Not bad for that then.
sand egret
that shield is doing you no favors in the mitigation department tho
willow scarab
Lucked out getting knot so early
sick sentinel
knot is very very good
wary lantern
i mean, i started tanking +11 right iff the bat at 370 ilvl today 😄
distant crystal
i wish my knot was higher ilvl
exotic spoke
Spore pods, weapon, shield would be biggest improvement at first glance
distant crystal
so i could use it over 415 vial
willow scarab
Pay gold for arena or rbg carry to get 400 Shield
sick sentinel
how did it go @wary lantern
willow scarab
From conquest
exotic spoke
Like - replacing those
distant crystal
get in a mythic champions pug
wary lantern
+11 underrot was fine, got rekted at the start cos i pulled too much
but healer managed
distant crystal
all the gear from that boss is sweet
sick sentinel
@distant crystal he is like 370
spice token
help ya boy out im trying to find what trinkets i should farm through M+
exotic spoke
I will be sad if he gets it before I do lol
wary lantern
11 underrot, 11 underrot and 10 waycrest at 370-380
willow scarab
Any of them lol
wary lantern
all +1
spice token
just switched over from arms hence the 2 trinkets now
sick sentinel
grongs 🤢
wary lantern
so fine i guess
willow scarab
Giga is nice but 385 is not
sand egret
stay as arms and just run +10s until you get a trinket tbh
sick sentinel
if you can do 10s, spam them
long raft
sand egret
spec* that is (you can totally tank em)
spice token
can 100% do 10s they are easy
willow scarab
Why does nobody have enchants
sand egret
yeah, basically any 400 dps trinket from M+ will do ya good
sick sentinel
@spice token get quick nav
spice token
so lean more towards dps trinks?
long raft
Oh i do have enchants on but you can't see em
oblique garnet
Howler🤢
willow scarab
Is my phone 5 pixels or is your computer @long raft
spice token
howler is clutch for BDK
sand egret
well going dps spec in M+ does prevent you from getting like...Sporebods
sick sentinel
late shut it its 415
sand egret
Sporepods*
long raft
Lol my hamster can only run so fast
willow scarab
Late has a point
willow scarab
Why run 415 howler when you obviously have 425 socket leech gigavolt
sick sentinel
it's great for raids tho
sand egret
jes is annoying
willow scarab
4head
sand egret
not using it is a QoL improvement for me 😃
oblique garnet
NotLikeThis
spice token
gonna try farming rezans and vial
exotic spoke
oblique garnet
Just get to gladiator rating and get the pvp trinket smh
willow scarab
Nice tabard ugly trinkets
exotic spoke
Thanks lol.
willow scarab
I had a 400 pvp trinket at start of season 2
sick sentinel
@spice token better like vial and goreblock
wary lantern
is the knot like BiS trinket?
sick sentinel
crit is huge in mplus
willow scarab
No
sick sentinel
not BiS but really really good
willow scarab
3rd bus in use
exotic spoke
That’s post raid.
willow scarab
Auto correct
wary lantern
thats good
distant crystal
i mean what would you replace a 425 knot with
willow scarab
425 higavolt or vial
spice token
@sick sentinel preciate it
oblique garnet
425 gore
lusty grotto
Nah not vial
oblique garnet
And vial is not that good
wary lantern
that shield is my biggest problem, but dont have luck on drop and there are like none on AH
distant crystal
yeah i'd take knot > vial
willow scarab
Pvp shield
exotic spoke
That howler is 415 socketed and everything else is either 410 or 400-405 maybe with a socket
lusty grotto
Yeah Def knot over vial
wary lantern
PvP as prot? 😄
sick sentinel
I am running eye/goreblock
exotic spoke
I think it’s hard to justify replacing it since I don’t have another option
distant crystal
my vial is 415 and knot is 405, begrudgingly wear vial
exotic spoke
@wary lantern flag bitch
lusty grotto
Running eye/ block as well
long raft
Thanks a ton for the help!
oblique garnet
Vial just baits you into thinking its good
willow scarab
Prot still does with flag easily
oblique garnet
Its not
willow scarab
It’s good for 6 seconds
wary lantern
you mean warmode?
wary lantern
or warsong gulch?
willow scarab
Both
distant crystal
lusty grotto
I hate you
distant crystal
last time i tried to take that screenshot i ended up doing an ML 16 with no trinekts
let me put those back on right now
willow scarab
How’d it go?
spice token
what eye trink yall talkin about?
exotic spoke
Eh, did lower - and I know they are lower level - Rbgs And didn’t have issues.
Notlike we were in cata as flag bitch Kong’s
lusty grotto
Rezan
distant crystal
missed timer by 16 seconds
spice token
gotcha
distant crystal
and i did 19.7K dps overall
oblique garnet
Also did i see someone getting gigaforged feather?
distant crystal
all my fault
exotic spoke
Yeah late
sick sentinel
yeah
willow scarab
No we are prot
sick sentinel
410 feather
sick sentinel
LOL
lusty grotto
There were a couple of 395s feathers yesterday
sick sentinel
any holes?
lusty grotto
I'd say rezan vial maybe
distant crystal
none
oblique garnet
Block
sick sentinel
gore vial
willow scarab
Heirloom wep 355 shield
last elk
whats yalls suggestion, 410 mastery over verse gloves or 400 verse over haste gloves with a socket.
lusty grotto
Ilvl
hollow kite
so how would you guys rate a 405 glad insignia against the other trinkets
thats the passive vers and str proc one
distant crystal
so literally no situation where you'd drop ilvl on a plate piece for better stats/sockets/leech etc?
lusty grotto
no
spice ferry
ilvl is king
undone sun
😡
oblique garnet
🚓🚓
supple path
I'd drop 5 ilvls for a socket on rings, or potentially cloak stats depending, but that's about it.
umbral forge
Did I hear leech
distant crystal
lusty grotto
i bit right into it
distant crystal
i just can't bring myself to do it
lusty grotto
instant no
umbral forge
That's more leech than the Siphoning wep enchant!
oblique garnet
Id do it tbh
sick comet
How strong is Iron Fortress vs Jaina?
distant crystal
ikr!
lusty grotto
very strong
supple path
I'd probably wear the leech pants there and not tell the channel so no one yelled at me.
exotic spoke
I’d take the 405
lusty grotto
😡
distant crystal
that's what i've been doing but today i'm comin' out
sick comet
The block increase on Iron Fortress isn't actual block chance but the amount of dmg you block?
supple path
Yeah, same as the value on shields Petorital
lusty grotto
its also not the amount of damage you block
supple path
Gets modified to a % absorbed on block
sick comet
so it's strong because more block value = less dmg taken when you block
or how does it work?
supple path
Yeah basically. I don't have the exact numbers handy but I think each IF trait makes you block for what...like 1-2% more?
lusty grotto
Block Damage Reduction = Total Block Value / (Total Block Value + K) where K would be the raid's K in your case
exotic spoke
^
umbral forge
Ok and for stupid people what does that mean
distant crystal
and one more time the K for M+ is...
exotic spoke
So, with If your block value in both cases is increased. Which raises the percent of damage you block
supple path
exotic spoke
BV of your shield is ~ 2.5 x armor value
lusty grotto
M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```More block = good got it
sand egret
@lusty grotto what's the leech cap for warriors?
lusty grotto
listen man
sick sentinel
can we stop saying the L word?
distant crystal
dang, dejacharstats doesn't show your block value
sand egret
and is it viable if you don't hit that cap?
distant crystal
just the % vs evenly matched target
ocean acorn
@lusty grotto what's the leech cap for warriors?
lusty grotto
oh as long as we're memeing... let's not forget 50%party
exotic spoke
Going from a 400 to a 415 shield is like 3 % increase in damage reduction combined from armor and block
distant crystal
tho i guess since i don't have any IF i can just read it from my shield :p
ocean acorn
is ravager good?
sand egret
shits been on fire over here all day, I need to get this out of my system
ocean acorn
i saw it as in the suggested talents on monday
lusty grotto
BFI also adds up block value Waat
ocean acorn
sco uses it so it must be good
lusty grotto
shpicey is memeing
exotic spoke
I know
ocean acorn
me? never
neon tangle
ur a meme @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
🙃
lusty grotto
hey i got blocked by someone today, that's a win right?
sand egret
looks at tmog ...checks out
ocean acorn
i learned everything i know from nim
sand egret
i hate the V word
exotic spoke
If you’re not blocked by someone you’re not winning
sand egret
ill take the L word
lusty grotto
i like the U I word, indestructible is god
sick sentinel
you know what blade?
lusty grotto
oops that's the I word
sick sentinel
you are the L word
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto i have been testing out new revenge build
exotic spoke
Look. If all my armor is indestructible how can I die. That’s how it works right?
lusty grotto
oh no, back to legion with revenge builds
distant crystal
blunt force trauma
sand egret
yo indestructible on your shield is serious savings
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
don't sleep on that shit
lusty grotto
i love indestructible shields
distant crystal
you'll just be a puddle of red jelly inside a pristine suit of armor
exotic spoke
I use black smith hammer on that every hour
sick comet
I think my prot warrior tank is going too much on the offensive side of things vs Jaina 😦
lusty grotto
what do you mean petorital
oblique garnet
As too much offensive
distant crystal
a prot warrior with no defensive traits should still take less dmg than any other tank on jaina eh
exotic spoke
I under stand the words individually but they don’t make sense together
sick comet
Taking Reckless flurry over Iron Fortress/Deafening Crash and Devastator over Booming Voice
distant crystal
@ionic fern come get ur mans
oblique garnet
Not really tho
lusty grotto
but if you need the deeps on jaina, might as well
oblique garnet
Thats actually good for jaina
sick comet
I whispered him last week and asked why he has fury traits as prot. He said Reckless FLurry was better for the dps cuz IF doesn't give much defensive wise
sick comet
RF?
lusty grotto
reckless flurry
sick comet
Tonight's logs show he used Devastator
distant crystal
he's just trying to kill her better
neon tangle
@sick comet it's a valid option for ST damage
sick comet
We're all slightly concered about him dying too quickly after he taunts off our monk tank :p
lusty grotto
that might be just bad play
sand egret
maybe your healers need to prep better
exotic spoke
Does he die? Or does he stabilize?
lusty grotto
is this heroic or mythic?
sick comet
going through death logs on our good pulls to get a better understanding on why he's dying
mythic
duh 😄
sick comet
they are private so not sure if I'm allowed to share it
lusty grotto
no need to duh, there are people that still haven't killed her in here
lusty grotto
we're not a M Jaina only channel 😛
exotic spoke
Thanks for making me feel like a fucking pleb nim
distant crystal
i think the duh was warranted :p
exotic spoke
Though, it was kinda obvious imo
lusty grotto
anyway, do you know how to see if he's using his skills correctly?
distant crystal
how many prot warriors are progressing H jaina with RF and devestator
sick comet
Rarely see discussion about hc boss help/tactics on class discords :p
distant crystal
:p
exotic spoke
That too
sand egret
hey, us 0/9 N people aint having this
sick comet
I'm still clueless on how to read logs "good". All I'm doing is going over time of death, checking the death log and checking buffs/debuffs to see if he died due to not having AM or defensives up
distant crystal
i told my M+ spamming guildy about how easy M Champions is to pug
first kill 420 dagger
oof
exotic spoke
What are you gonna do about it blade. M+ is to death!?
sand egret
check hits taken
lusty grotto
select him
sand egret
check % of blocked hits
sand egret
if that number is low...we got a prob
lusty grotto
check percents and come back to us
neon tangle
don't just check % of blocked hits, check % of hits taken w/o SB or last stand up
sick comet
on our best try (16%-ish) he has 42.52% blocked hits from Ice Shard
neon tangle
yikes
lusty grotto
whether you use SB while offtanking or not doesn't matter
sand egret
YIKES
lusty grotto
hmm
exotic spoke
I’ve done it. Unintentionally - occasionally intentionally if I know it’ll be back up (both charges) before I’m active tank again
exotic spoke
Sounds like improper use of shield block / last stand
lusty grotto
what about his Demo uptime while tanking (at least)
neon tangle
@sick comet When you go to damage taken there's a little bar that lets you filter out by buffs, see what # of hits were taken when you set both SB and last stand to red
and then compare that to total hits
sick comet
Ok so it varies a bit with % blocked hits. some pulls he has around 60% and 2-3 pulls he had 70%
lusty grotto
hmmm
sand egret
still feel like thats low
neon tangle
just going by blocked hits means it will vary with RnG and shit, filtering by auras lets you know exactly how many hits were taken w/o a guarenteed block up
lusty grotto
yeah sadbox since it counts rng blocks
sick comet
without filters it's 73% blocked, 26.98% hit
neon tangle
ignore %, just look at number of attacks
sick comet
oh
sand egret
ya know what would be dope in here as a resource, a “how to check my own logs” guide 🤔
sick comet
8
exotic spoke
Actually that would be really good blade.
sand egret
teach a prot to log....
exotic spoke
Like holy shit, cause I need to get better at it
lusty grotto
yeah that's a good idea for sure
distant crystal
out of curiousity
neon tangle
@sand egret Honestly if wowanalyzer would review my diffs quicker
lusty grotto
worried that people will actually read it, but still
distant crystal
what's his dps on the low wipes
exotic spoke
I’ll read it.
sand egret
well you can bring a horse to water...
neon tangle
@sand egret I did write a module to track SB and last stand overlap for them
sick comet
define "low wipes"
exotic spoke
I want to get better and analyzing my logs would help
sand egret
doesnt solve the issue imho
distant crystal
tbh it seems like he's playing pretty well from the blocked %s
sick comet
on jaina only it's between 5-7k
steel mauve
what stacks is he getting?
distant crystal
and he's doing his best to put dmg out, but if it's a problem you could ask him to replace the RFs with BFI/IF for some pulls
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think RF/Deva is the issue
steel mauve
i often die because my co tank forgets to taunt and im at 20 stacks on heroic because i dont even realize it
neon tangle
tbh jaina on heroic hits harder than anything I've done in mythic so far
sand egret
i think the claim is they are dying when the swap
steel mauve
that would probably just be taking a hit or 2 before rolling AM's
sick comet
most stacks he's gotten is 11 @steel mauve . Usually around 9-10
sand egret
yeah considering you cotank is a monk...are your healers too used to stagger? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel mauve
ive only been half reading and half playing tropico 6 so i havent paid attention to every thing thats been said or ruled out
distant crystal
have him bind shieldblock into taunt ez clap
lusty grotto
something still doesn't add up
sick comet
I don't think our healers really know about Stagger. They top him off constantly. We have 1 part in phase 2 where monk tank goes into ice block before blizzard so we can actually see where it'll land. He never drops below 80%
distant crystal
stagger is just good about sucking up hots
whereas warriors take the dmg when it happens
sand egret
well the point is the stay-of-execution factor
lusty grotto
there shouldn't be too much of a difference in jaina
sick comet
we've got 3 holy priests, 1 pala and 1 shaman so not a lot of hots to go by
sand egret
and healers who are used to that just get caught up
but she casts right? so it aint like a instant melee smack...
sick comet
is it possible to check overlaps of SB and Last Stand in logs?
sand egret
yep
lusty grotto
yes
sand egret
check buffs
timber nest
has anyone got it written down somewhere which residium pieces are the best to go for? i feel like i wanted to roll for a piece but i forget which
distant crystal
hrm, what to spend residuum on
i've already got 3x BoM 3x DC + a BoM + Tradewinds shoulder
was thinking maybe a piece to swap in for defensive stuff
lusty grotto
3 BoM 2 IF 1 DC should be the base
3 BoM 3 DC for overgearing dps
rest doesn't really matter i guess
distant crystal
hmm maybe chest
that could be the defensive piece, is there like a DC + op chest from the vendor
BoM + DC + op that is
distant crystal
also, elemental whirl blood siphon or winds hmmm
lusty grotto
no there isn't waat
spare viper
1 intimidating presence over impassive visage what do you think
lusty grotto
neon tangle
@spare viper I'd do IV
spare viper
ya thats what id figure
distant crystal
Intim Pres seems neat but IV is so good
spare viper
im sure ill get it on another piece
exotic spoke
If you are looking for a specific piece and already have 415s you should save up to buy it and don’t random it
sick sentinel
what spell reflection WA or addon u lot using cause the 1 on wago.io and in the resource faq doesnt work or atleast for me
undone sun
i would bet most are using the one mentioned, should work so try some troubleshooting
lusty grotto
do you get any errors with it?
undone sun
when an ability that is being casted on you is reflectable, iirc
sick sentinel
yeah, i'll just see if i need to update it and test it out
distant crystal
will it tell me when cyclone strike is casting on someone who isn't me? 😄
exotic spoke
Lol
sick sentinel
its got to target you
exotic spoke
No eremus
undone sun
for the wa to work
lusty grotto
oh
sick sentinel
oh what it says in description of it
lusty grotto
for the wa to work
exotic spoke
Nim I was with you
lusty grotto
yeah sorry
exotic spoke
I thought the same thing
lusty grotto
misunderstood
distant crystal
see i thought nimchip was answering me correctly
distant crystal
so much confusion, i can't get no relief
undone sun
there's a wago updater?
lusty grotto
since the discord PMs aren't doing shit
yeah ive seen some people talking about it
it's probably some unofficial thing that i won't download because its unofficial, because i can't fucking find it in wago.io
exotic spoke
I should probably try out some WAs
sand egret
dont have to worry about updates when you dont run WAs
undone sun
yikes
sand egret
big brain strats
exotic spoke
You right blade
undone sun
heard about that app a bit ago but never put too much thought into it
lusty grotto
ima try it
sand egret
and we never heard from Nim again...
exotic spoke
I honestly only installed WA for that one boss in uldir ... calling out rotations and shit. Couldn’t enforce it as mandatory if all officers didn’t have it.
Haven’t used WA since
lusty grotto
hope my social security doesn't get stolen
sand egret
yeah, I made one for Meticulous Schemeing but then I got a new piece without it so I got rid of it
I do use an interrupt tracker tho, so that's a lie cuz I'm pretty sure that's built out of a WA
grave tundra
410 crit mastery or 400 haste vers wep ?
sand egret
ilvl wep
exotic spoke
Ilvl
I should make a custom ui again. Then I remember what a fucking pain that is on patch days
sand egret
yeah...I used to go so hard into that
exotic spoke
Ditto
lusty grotto
i don't understand this
sand egret
it's a pokemon named Ditto
exotic spoke
End of vanilla through early wotlk.
timber nest
whats best for prot, 2x UF or 1 UF + 1 Heed my call
lusty grotto
what the fuck is the point of it lol
exotic spoke
Your datas just got stolen
sand egret
it's an app that tells you updates exist
lusty grotto
...
lusty grotto
jesus christ lmao
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Out of curiosity how hard is it to make your own WA things if you have programming experience? Is it similar to any language, based off one, etc?
lusty grotto
clicked fetched updates, same list comes up
halp, im old i need halp
i gotta be honest riki
i haven't actually looked at the code
sand egret
WA is super easy
lusty grotto
mainly because i turn my programmer off when i get home
sand egret
if you can think in statements then it should click
exotic spoke
Ha! Alright. I do supply chain but am finishing an IS degree. So I don’t mind it - I actually enjoy it
sand egret
have you tried turning it off and on again?
sand egret
and do those three provide links
exotic spoke
Lol
sand egret
to the actual update
exotic spoke
Your data’s though
lusty grotto
i need to update all the things blade
also those are the only ones with updates
i have more
sand egret
I see WW addon and a holy pally addon...
sand egret
how do we know you haven't been replaced by a bot and are now phishing us?
exotic spoke
Obviously
undone sun
we could have told you that
lusty grotto
you're supposed to log into the game
undone sun
jk
sand egret
to be fair Thyme, I DO tell him that, he just doesn't listen.
exotic spoke
Do they ever?
sand egret
well time to hit this turtle quest and buy some lotto tickets
exotic spoke
Good luck
lusty grotto
super retarded
exotic spoke
It’s happened twice this week - hUge TFs from there. One was just better than the other (hint - not mine)
exotic spoke
What, you don’t like “a turtle has made it to the water”?
sand egret
the dreaaam
exotic spoke
Personally I like the new symbols one
lusty grotto
shell games are dope, but i like the new one better
exotic spoke
^^
lusty grotto
yea riki 🤝
sand egret
new hotness?
exotic spoke
Yeah
“Draw this triangle” or “draw this circle”
exotic spoke
It doesn’t have to be perfect
lusty grotto
weird the windwalker one i don't have installed at all
exotic spoke
Though I did see some one drew the Wu-Tang “W” and I laughed
lusty grotto
ive been hacked
exotic spoke
Rip
plain verge
what are the bis tank trickets for m+?
frosty vigil
So I got a 415 sporepod from the cache. Should I just destroy it?
undone sun
assume you have similar ilevel alternatives?
frosty vigil
400 eye and a 400 prism
lusty grotto
goddamn it tofu
exotic spoke
Leech isn’t that important
undone sun
🗞 @outer dew
undone sun
you make you strong, not leech
outer dew
leech stornk
when you pumping 100k on a pack
and watch your healer not have to heal you
it's bless
exotic spoke
Mongo pulls
sick sentinel
Gore block
And rezans
The glad trinket is pretty good, the on use str one
Basically a better vial
signal lynx
guys, dwarf or night elf for m+?
sick comet
Dwarf can remove reaping debuff and bleeds, Night elf can allow you to skip packs without having to spend combatresses/valuable time. But night elf as a warrior might not be worth it unless the entire group is night elf since warriors can't ress players who can't skip the pack without having to die
distant crystal
i'm dorf
would probably pick dark iron dwarf if i had to do it again
phys damage redux is nice but dungeon delver is too
neon tangle
Only time I'd do nelf is if I had a good consistent high-key group I ran with
and could plan around most/all of us being nelf
daring marlin
man dat world server op
sick comet
Dark iron's racial is a 2 min dps racial if you want some extra dmg and know you won't need it to remove a debuff but dwarf does provide that 10% dmg reduction mini defensive
distant crystal
ok so it's not just me
getting dc'd
dorf/did is amazing on necrotic weeks
and it's pretty decent for grievious too
distant crystal
ye
neon tangle
@daring marlin The DCs have been shit this week
sick comet
wonder how many wipes we've had due to people randomly DCing last week 🤔
tropic marsh
gg fama
grand drum
is it worth losing 15ilvl to get DC and BoM on a azerite piece?
sick sentinel
No
steel mauve
first DC yes, after that then no
sick sentinel
Not even that
After they buffed how much stam an Azerite piece gives I really do not think it's worth
undone sun
they buffed it so S2 pieces give 20% more stam than S1 pieces, aside form that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel mauve
after the nerf to DC they were still stating that its worth 15 ilvls for your first one, the minor stam buff to gear doesnt out weigh a first DC, its not worth much more than 15 ilvls though
sick comet
increase a 20% dmg reduction ability as well as a 15% dmg increase duration by 6 seconds is probably worth the stamina you lose for dropping 15 ilvls if it's your first DC🤔
sick sentinel
@sick comet well you shouldn't think like this
Because he gains other traits over it
rough lake
Hey guys, is there any website or addon that help me target what my best next item to improve my char ?
Like, you should target legs drop from here or so ?
steel mauve
dps or survival?
sick comet
droptimizer on raidbots works that way, doesn't it?
steel mauve
only for dps, basically no way for survival, but raidbots works for dps
steel mauve
you only have 2 options, offensive, meaning valueing dps numbers, or defensive, meaning taking less damage
wheat bronze
Using something like Demo Shout won't affect the damage of something that has "Environment" as the source, right?
steel mauve
correct
rough lake
Yes, i get it. Will try and check
Also i used my extra roll on Jaina, in LFR as Fury drop for the trinket Anchor. Is it droppable or i screwd up ?
rough lake
Work in LFR too so
Also wich guide is best ? Wowhead or icy vein ? Sometimes they really advise differently
jade socket
icy veins
steel mauve
ivyveins is our most vetted and probably most up to date
plus its wrote by marok the owner of the discord
rough lake
Also the one i found the easiest to read btw but wanted to confirm !! Thank you
woven trellis
do you guys tank with TC?
undone sun
M+ or raid
woven trellis
m+
undone sun
not recommended
woven trellis
but do you
i know its not recommended to take more damage when u tank
im just wondering who does it anyway and why
steel mauve
because im lazy and dont feel like switching it out every week when im done with raiding
woven trellis
ok
timber nest
mythic jaina, is bloodsport or IF better?
undone sun
unlikely
steady marten
what should i aim for ST dps? in terms of stats and azerite traits?
halcyon fable
I am really, really bad at dealing with sanguine. Oh my god I hate it so much D: maybe it's just because we were doing Tol and god damn everything in that dungeon flees when it's about to die
spice token
To the prot warrior that i just carried through a 12 atal enjoy your damn trinket 😑 of course when i run it on the wrong toon it drops...
halcyon fable
Any tips for sanguine? It's one of the affixes I just struggle with
spice token
I main a dk so its pretty simple for me just grip em out but as a warrior i try and keep everything in lines by either los or interupting
normal bone
1 Rezan's Fury and 1 BoM or 2 BoM?
spice token
Rezans eye
ionic fern
@distant crystal 2 AM, wtf. 😂
umbral forge
Am I the only one who find Marok's pfp a bit cute?
ionic fern
Yes, and you should be concerned about it.
umbral forge
good
willow scarab
So I always hear ilvl is the best
but what do you do here
I've been wearing the 400 ones but I want to know what the community thinks
umbral forge
@lusty grotto look at this leech boi
willow scarab
You like that leech?
umbral forge
Seriously though ask yourself
ionic fern
...
umbral forge
is 40 haste worth
willow scarab
What about this leech
umbral forge
all the difference?
ionic fern
I'm like 2 zips into my morning coffe. And we going leech again. 😂
umbral forge
You're choosing 40 haste over
+24 armor
+21 str
+41 stam
+2 Haste
+3 Mastery
willow scarab
Yes
21 st = less than 21 haste
- 2 haste + 3 mastery = 26 stat, 40 haste is still there
24 armor and 41 stam is worth more than 14 haste? and the leech?
willow scarab
my unbuffed hp is 367k so stam is not an issue
my leech is 8% and I run 1 bloodsport
umbral forge
I'd stick to the 400 ilvl piece.
sick sentinel
Which combo of trinkets would you'll use for mythic+ and for raids (2nd backup tank for raid) 400 Rezan, 400 Diamond, and 415 Alch Stone are my options?
willow scarab
This is why I wanted to bring it here for discussio
Since it's always ilvl > everythign
the ilvl lands me at a neat 419 which is aesthetically nicer
I would use 400 rezan 415 alch because I don't like diamond or being defensive
I would use diamond and alch stone if you do like being defensive or are dying too much
umbral forge
we say ilvl > everything
but what we mean is that a larger gathering of stats > tailored stats
willow scarab
I figured as much
sick sentinel
Thanks @willow scarab
worthy dagger
LOL
umbral forge
Hmm
willow scarab
I'm 22% base with a 425 rezans
things like the last boss in ToS are really uncomfortable to play because clap is like .8 cd
Who wants to just press 1 button?
willow scarab
I prefer when you pop cds and lust
clap slam clap slam for 20 seconds
but just clap is too ltitle for me
umbral forge
well I mean
if you're a prot warrior
and if repeatedly clapping isn't your desired gamepaly
ionic fern
My Nr2 key broke because i've been clapping too much.
sick sentinel
my clap is on 3
ionic fern
Wait, did you say that you can't push high keys with x3 DC?
sick sentinel
oh no
ionic fern
I knew i diddn't see it in a dream.
willow scarab
Yeah
ionic fern
Aight, lets go.
ionic fern
1)Define high keys
sick sentinel
OH NO
undone sun
🙃
ionic fern
I'm doing 3xBoM/2xDC/1xBfI in keys right now. Pushing to 21-22
ionic fern
Yes, cause i swapped one of my DC's for BfI for more ST last week.
Probably going back to 3DC this week again.
But what's the reasoning of "Can't push high keys with x3 DC"?
willow scarab
Because you take so much damage that you need to target your gearing more defensively
(unfortunately)
More DC = more damage = boss die faster = don't need to be defensive 4head fumei
right?
ionic fern
Well, i can't speak of 24+ keys since i haven't gotten there yet but 20-22 you don't take that much. :/
willow scarab
Maybe my healer is afk because I'm doing 20s in time and 20s-22s out of time
So that's what I comment on
ionic fern
Well i mean you can pick w/e traits you want..either go more defensive or offensive. I just haven't found a reason to go more defensive yet.
willow scarab
I think 20+ is that point / reason to go defensive
in my experience at least
I run 1x DC at this point, I dropped 1 to pick up a meticulous scheming
ionic fern
Eh, w/e makes you feel more comfortable.
crisp pecan
I am having all 19 kesy done in time, i find hard to get into 20+
ionic fern
But stating that you can't push with 3xDC is also false. 😒
I love how @sick sentinel knew what was coming and just went afk. 😂
prime sundial
Hello ! is 1157 hast enough for a 406 ilvl ? What should be the amount value for this ilvl pls ? Thx !
sick sentinel
if the gear you are wearing is the highest ilvl gear you have you are okay
we don't look at specific values
prime sundial
It’s the highest.
sick sentinel
then you are completely fine
prime sundial
´cause i see people in this chat having like 4000 hast xD
ionic fern
Gear is RNG so you are stuck with what you get.
sick sentinel
thats not even remotely correct
undone sun
im sure some people have 58% haste but it's not common in the slightest
nor is it a goal to get
all RNG
prime sundial
ok
i am beginner in tanking i ve read all the ressources but i m still very bad 😦 i loose always agro and my dps is very low.
this is giving me crazy i don’t know what to do anymore 😦
ionic fern
Are you talking m+ or raids?
prime sundial
M+
ionic fern
Is your item level a lot lower than the DPS'ers that you run with?
prime sundial
no and sometimes in lower keys mine is higher but same result indon’t understand
ionic fern
Aight, first things first. Are you using the correct talents?
Bolster/AM/UF?
prime sundial
yep
ionic fern
When you charge into a pack are you using your AoE tools first to generate threat?
So..Charge->TC->Revenge etc
ionic fern
in general generating/holding threat as a warrior isn't that hard due to our dmg output and the no target cap on TC.
So you just have to be sure you hit everyone with all the TC's.
Are you using Avatar properly?
Popping Avatar and then using TC every other GCD?
sick sentinel
You need to revenge at least once to apply deep wounds on everything
ionic fern
Jep, hence the Charge->TC->Revenge
prime sundial
Îm not pro gamer so i think my gamepay isn’t the best
Avatar must be used at the start of each pull ?
ionic fern
Jesh, that's what we're trying to help you with right now.
Just remember that Avatar is a HUGE DPS boost and that you can and should use TC every other GCD during it
Depending on your pulls you might not have it up for each pull.
prime sundial
Yep
ionic fern
But it should be used as often as possible. So lets say you have Avatar coming off of CD so you can do a bigger pull etc.
ionic fern
No, what i'm saying is you have to plan your pulls around your CD's.
prime sundial
Ok so i must w8 for my cf are up before pulling
Cd sry
But it’as hard to w8 ‘cause the most of time people are pulling at my place and taking ways i don’t want to :/
ionic fern
Think you are mis-understanding me.
You will not have all your CD's up for every pull.
While Avatar has a fairly small CD of roughly 45-50seconds you won't have it up for every pull.
So what you do is..if you have Avatar you can pull bigger because of the DPS Avatar provides etc.
If you don't have Avatar up you still pull but just not as big as you would WITH Avatar.
Also..if DPS'ers are pulling for you that might also cause a bit of a aggro issue.
ionic fern
Unless it's a skittish week - no.
umbral forge
Should I use my leech set this week?
my ilvl will drop from 411 to 390 but I get 3% leech might help with grievous.
timid jay
yes
dropping 20 ilvl for 3% leech seems like a brilliant idea
you totally wont deal a lot less damage, thus making leech less efficient but you will also totally not take way more damage to make it even worse
ionic fern
Less max HP = less grevious damage.
silk mortar
But less max hp also means getting into the grievous zone easier 🤔
umbral forge
Oh
distant crystal
stuck ledge
Therefor Alchemist Stone and pots of cd will be bis
empty inlet
just ralllying cry for grevious
astral geyser
umbral forge
Leech?
zinc creek
hello guys, I have a dumb question. do plate wearers move slower than other gear type wearers ( cloth, leather etc)? I asked because, I feel like I always get behind during shroud, like always the slowest among the group.
umbral forge
no
sand condor
Nope
sand condor
Monks have movement buffs
That apply to everyone in rhe party
(Windwalkers)
Rogues gave their iwn speedybuf
umbral forge
demon hunters have it built into their mastery IIRC
Outlaw Rogues move faster IIRC (I don't play leather users ;_;)
sand condor
Druids too
umbral forge
yeah
zinc creek
lol cool gotcha thanks
umbral forge
So if you go a meta group setup you'll lag behind.
Solution: Gonk
spice ferry
there are also traits that make you run fast
sand condor
No thats only after heroic leap
umbral forge
Better solution: Go Nightborne, the True Horde Warrior Race, and laugh at the plebians running before their Tank into an untimely demise while sipping delicious Arcine.
Konrad talks about longstrider
silk mortar
Remeber legion, Aggy strider and leap shoulders, Combined with Battle cry 🤤
umbral forge
you talk about a talent now, Vic.
zinc creek
ok thanks guys
umbral forge
Probably the lesser races of the Horde
sand condor
Its beeb a mix of all randoms usually
Been some tauren
Sone orcs
Some filthy corpses
unborn island
I miss being able to change into my speedset and just gas it away from everyone
Apart from when I forgot to change back before bosses :s
velvet maple
^ I really miss being able to swap gear in M+.
sand condor
It’d be really nice
Have a multi targetaoe set
Now a questiom from me, how do you improve your logs
While tanking raids
ionic fern
By analyzing them and learning from your mistakes & fixing timings.
distant crystal
running triple TC triple RF
sand condor
Healers letting me die might be a problem
ionic fern
Jep.
sand condor
Even with a death i had an 82 score on oppulence
But we did a zerg strat..which was..interesting
distant crystal
everybody go left?
sand condor
Yep
distant crystal
that works
on my spriest with another spriest guildy
i didn't think we were gonna actually do it so i still had ST build
he had full aoe/M+ build
sand condor
Oh boyo
old zephyr
But What happen when you get ported to the other side ?
ionic fern
I can only dream of getting 99% on Opulence. My DPS'ers are just blowing up the adds.
😒
Unless like 5 of them die i got no chance.
distant crystal
just need some kinda way to glitch it into letting you get opal as a protwarr
and you're in business
sand condor
I save avatar for adds :p
ionic fern
I mean..ofc you save Avatar for adds.
I have them for every adds..but they still die too fast.
sand condor
Ohlord rip
distant crystal
@old zephyr i don't think this strat works on mythic
distant crystal
tho i guess in theory if we outgear it enough
sand condor
You ignore both adds and hust ho through middle?