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strong forum
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BoM + DC + azerite veins

sand egret
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oh AV, a fickle mistress

strong forum
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Ye nowadays quite rare

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But happy Im finally 3x BiS for azerite

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After getting mekka shoulders on Sunday

quick ice
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makes me sad. my warrior was so geared lol. 382 feels so weak now :c

strong forum
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That's the beauty, gearing is one of the most fun things in this game imo

wooden radish
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@ionic fern what is block value cap in the 8.3 raid tier?

sand egret
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it's also incredibly accessible now

strong forum
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Ye we had uldir raider come back, after 4 days he was 411 with 3x BiS 415 azerite

quick ice
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my main is 409 right now, but Ive never even seen a pull on m grong

sand egret
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already thinkin ahead to 8.3 eh?

strong forum
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Oof

astral crystal
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8.3 aka 9.0

sand egret
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my warrior is 407 and i havent' set foot in the raid

strong forum
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Oof 2.0 :^)

quick ice
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ill probably only go into the raid for azerite

sand egret
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ill prob go next expac when I can solo it 😃

sand condor
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and then proceeds to flame you

strong forum
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Yes @sand condor

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Oh nvm

astral crystal
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based prot pally

sand egret
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put on glasses well technically .....

strong forum
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Diamond is the best and only good tank trinket in the game

sand condor
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hold up

sand egret
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actually I'm not going to bust out my notes on this one

sand condor
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did you jsut try to say

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prism is worse?

sand egret
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go diamond

wooden radish
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neither are great for paladin

sand condor
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EXACTLY

strong forum
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No

sand condor
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i mean i lolled at the prot pally

strong forum
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Diamond is the best, I read your thingy wrong

sand condor
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and he decided to scream at me

strong forum
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Well shit pally then

sand egret
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bandages are not nearly as bad as it's made out to be for Prot specifically, but DLRP wins overall

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sneaky IP synergy

strong forum
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Bandages is okay ish if you really have to go full defensive, but it has very little value imo

sand condor
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yes..heis our gm and main tank -_-

strong forum
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It's a IP on 1.5min CD...

sand egret
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?

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not really

strong forum
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Yes.

sand egret
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it's a nuke buffer

wooden radish
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its only for EHP against tank busters

sand egret
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that gets 2x its value over its duration while IP > 1

wooden radish
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this tier has 0 tank busters of any threat

strong forum
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Ye

wooden radish
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which is why monk is meh as fuck atm for raid

sand egret
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6 second duration also means 3 ticks of most bleeds, this tiers' "tank busters"

strong forum
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It's small

sand egret
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still has value, but doesn't compete with the persistence of DLRP

strong forum
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Too small for its CD

sand egret
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it's deceptively large

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the issue is the duration

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actually

strong forum
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Na it gets chewed through instantly

sand egret
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if you're not mitigating, sure

silk mortar
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I mean put on a ip and shield block on that

strong forum
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Even then

silk mortar
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Its kinda k

sand egret
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I dont think you get how the bandages work then lol

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Dark's got it

strong forum
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Bruh

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I know how it works

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But in actual content

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It's not gonna do you much of a favour

sand egret
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it'll do a good amount if its used for what it's intended

strong forum
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It's a tank trinket yes, but not to be picked over rezans or smth unless you're scared for your life

modern brook
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80k is like ~a 8th of ur health pool

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lets be clear

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no ones saying its good

inner onyx
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@strong forum is azerite veins a must have?

modern brook
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just that its not as shit as we say it is

strong forum
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No, but it's good

umbral forge
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what trinket

modern brook
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Bandages

strong forum
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Azerite veins is shit on low difficulties but good on higher difficulties

modern brook
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I dislike av

wooden radish
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its good for classes with lower self sustain like monk or warrior

strong forum
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Did like 600k in a TD 18, not half bad

sand egret
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also, bull, that 80k turns into 160k

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while IP > 1

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it's a smoothing trinket more than a mitigating one

modern brook
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AV does 1 of 2 things: way too much healing or just a bunch of over healing

sand egret
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due to how that shield in particular interacts

exotic spoke
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I think we can all agree that Bleeds are the devil.

strong forum
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It can't overheal bullfango :^)

sand egret
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the last tick can

strong forum
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Since it'll just stop

modern brook
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Which is actually worse than ovehealing

exotic spoke
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So situationally I could see using that. More so in raids than m+

modern brook
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because its functionaly the same

strong forum
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Its better in m+ than in raids

modern brook
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but if u get topped off during its duration u lose all its value still

strong forum
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Obv but it's still good

modern brook
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its better than some options sure

strong forum
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Hence why it's better on higher difficulty

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Since you're not topped as often

modern brook
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I dont think its top priority in the ring though

exotic spoke
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Nomeratur I was thinking situationally on specific bosses. Conclave for example. Having that on akundas bleeds is nice

sand egret
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it's good to have 1, imho. getting more than one just compounds its faults

strong forum
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OP would be the only trait I'd pick over it

exotic spoke
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Would be nice

strong forum
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Well kimbuls bleed I just dwarf racial at 3 insta

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Then im save

sand egret
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a man of culture i see

modern brook
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Conclave on orc/dwarf war is a joke tbh

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U can solo tank basically all the bosses

exotic spoke
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I’m not a dwarf 😦

strong forum
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Conclave is a joke, period

exotic spoke
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The bleed hurts but otherwise yeah

strong forum
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We progressed conclave and rasta in 1 day after being stuck at opulence for almost 3 weeks

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Fucking joke bosses

exotic spoke
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Took us about 12 pulls to get conclave - towards the end of the raid for our first kill. Had 2 pulls on Rasta last week so hoping it goes well tomorrow

quick ice
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now i just need a shield and i can switch to prot haha

strong forum
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Ye conclave was like 11 for us aswell

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So was rasta

modern brook
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Conclave feels like its just learning when to press healer cds

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maybe delaying a kill to compensate

exotic spoke
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The difficulty this tier is so fucking random

strong forum
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Whilst conclave 86 because based fucking retards can't figure out their shit

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The raid is piss easy apart from jaina, but has so many retard checks

sand egret
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it's an interesting design pivot, imho

exotic spoke
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That and rng gonna rng

strong forum
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So you get hardstuck at miniscule bosses like opu and stormwall

sand egret
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well that's always going to be a thing in Western-style encounters

exotic spoke
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And others just fall over

sand egret
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they love their sliding windows

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personally, I'd rather see more Thorim/Opu style fights

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those things actually make me want to raid again tbh

strong forum
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Opu was chill cuz you had to do 0 as tank and wait for raid to get their shit together

sand egret
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well, that I can't stand

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but overall I like the direction

strong forum
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Fetid was best

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Just sit there afk for 3min

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And wait for Boss to die

sand egret
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haha you and I have a very different view on these things

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cuz that sounds like torture

strong forum
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Na, compared to playing arms on fetid prog, tank is giga comfy

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It's chill AF

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Cba bosses like jadefire

sand egret
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yeah, we tank for the opposite reasons then 😃

strong forum
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Conclave is the most fun boss for me, jadefire worst

sand egret
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jadefire is like super cool, esp with that dance mechanic

exotic spoke
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Fetid was stupid if you didn’t have the right comp. as we had mostly melee it blew

strong forum
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Dance is ultra easy, but it's ton of tank damage on p3 which I hate

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We had 6 melee riki

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Haha

sand egret
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yeah, the tuning can't be super tough (if I had my way that shit would be Dark Souls style reaction haha) but I like the concept behind it

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giving tanks something new to do other than "tank it over here" and "swap at X stacks" is good

exotic spoke
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Lucky nomeratur we had like 8-9

strong forum
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Dark souls isn't reaction based though, it's knowing the movement and animation patterns in and out

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6 is too much even

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3 is recommended

modern brook
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.>

sand egret
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you're reacting to the animation within a frame window

strong forum
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8-9 is almost impossible

sand egret
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it eventually turns away from that

lusty grotto
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Invul frames

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Frames are a thing

sand egret
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but yeah, Sekiro is prob a better example

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since it's more focused on reaction timing and less on abusing i-frames

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but my greater point is simply a higher threshold/demand for execution

strong forum
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Well I have played neither but dislike dark souls so.

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Biased

sand egret
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well judging by your want for a "chill" sesh, I can see why haha. DS isn't exactly very chill of a game

modern brook
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I had WR for Pyro speed run in DS1 for like a week 🤷

strong forum
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Na I'm tryhard, but raiding is easy in a sense

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It's 90% of the time waiting for others to get their shit together

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So chill bosses are nice once in a while

lusty grotto
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Lmao bull

strong forum
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I pref m+ over raiding

sand egret
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yeah I quit raiding for that reason

strong forum
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Raiding idgaf about, I just want the gear and feel of superiority

modern brook
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I just quit raiding yesterday

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I like raiding

sand egret
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waiting for 19 others to get their shit together is worse than 4

modern brook
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i hate feeling obligated ot raid

sand egret
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that's another thing

strong forum
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It's fun cuz my guild is retarded

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And full of autistic idiots

lusty grotto
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I want a demon souls remake, it's the only one I haven't played

modern brook
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demon souls is aight

sand egret
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having a good group to play with can make all the difference, tho

lusty grotto
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Yeah

modern brook
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I'm like super burned out on the souls series

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rally happy from soft is getting what it desrvers but like

lusty grotto
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Sekiro!

sand egret
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i'm sure i'd raid if I found a group that fit, but i can't be fucked to try looking nowadays

modern brook
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plz make more amored core?

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thanks

lusty grotto
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Hmm

sand egret
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ughh don't mention that to me bull

modern brook
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armored core gets me rock fucking hard

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great game

sand egret
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shit was such a staple for me

modern brook
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When i was a baby

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I had a ps1 and armored core

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and no memory card

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so i had to like BURN THROUGH as much of it as i can in like 2 hour sittings

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master of the arena ⭕

sand egret
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haha the ol' Contra approach

inner onyx
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Demon souls will never get a remake

sand egret
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i did that with RE2

inner onyx
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sony has the rights and while it's a good game for from fans it sucks ass in a lot of ways and plays like a beta for dark souls

modern brook
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I mean

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Have u played from soft games?

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they've been making dark souls for like 10 years

inner onyx
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i've platted

modern brook
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before DS 1

inner onyx
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every fromsoft game except sekiro

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oh only armored core

lusty grotto
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i havent had time to play sekiro a lot

inner onyx
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i'm still finishing my semester but first thing i'll do when i finish

lusty grotto
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studying for some certs

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while i do mundane shit on wow

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can't study while playing sekiro or running keys though

inner onyx
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@modern brook i believe it, i jsut mean if you've played BB, DS series, sekiro going back too DeS feels like ass

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it's very dated, even tho playing as a caster is fun as hell despite being broken

modern brook
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Yeah Ur not wrong

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theres this prevailing idea that dark souls is some magic accident that from soft pulled out ofits ass but they've been working on its formula since at least 2002

inner onyx
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hundo p

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if you go back to play their old games you can see the progression

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bloodborne and dark souls 3 were the culmination of that, with sony's help making that bloodborne engine

calm trout
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Am i stupid or is mastery useless if u have shield block active

modern brook
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ur stupid

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Mastery increases crit block chance

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so even if SB is active, ur mast is increasing the chance that ur garunteed blocks are crit blocks

brisk ferry
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didnt you ask this same question like 2 hours ago?

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and got the same answer

modern brook
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also DaMaGe

umbral forge
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no he asked if it was worth to use last stand & shield block I think

modern brook
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i only use LS w/ SW because im a bad player

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so

umbral forge
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I mean

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I have

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a weakaura that verbally insults me when I do it and I still mess up

modern brook
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sometimes i drop below 70% so i pop LS SW RC and demo shout so i can get a SB up

umbral forge
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CB?

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oh

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oh god

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I felt that in my soul.

modern brook
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:^)

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im glad we could connect on that level

astral crystal
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i still sometimes panic berserker rage

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gone are the days...

umbral forge
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A guildee I raid with asked me why I used zerker rage

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and then went

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"it doesn't increase rage regen or give rage"

modern brook
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i miss 0 cd slam during battle cry

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litterally the most fuck it why not thing ever

old zephyr
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Battle cry as Def CD by spaming ip

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Those were the days

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Well actually avatar is à Def CD now Because everything dies

lusty grotto
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IP spam 🤢

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vomit

oblique garnet
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@lusty grotto oi fight me dont you fucking judge me for spamming ip

umbral forge
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I'm rerolling to Vengeance DH just to prove a point to my off tank

olive merlin
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Anyone find more value with the orc stun racial vs warstomp in m+?

modern brook
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is the point that vdh is bad and ur a hinderance to everyone u play with by using it?

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@olive merlin how often are u getting stunned in m+??

umbral forge
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he says he can't tank mythic cause he's a prot paladin and that he should reroll to prot warrior so he can be good like me

modern brook
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xd

lusty grotto
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uhhh...

umbral forge
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i'm like

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I'M NOT EVEN GOOD

modern brook
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prot pally is in a better spot than prot warrior

lusty grotto
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does he know prot paladins do super good dps too

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tell him to be better

olive merlin
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Not a lot particulalry.. was considering a race change since taurens are so gd huge

quick ice
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im sad i want to start playing my warrior, but I dont have a shield D:

weary thorn
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prot pallies also make certain boss mechanics a joke

modern brook
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Race change for aethetics not for racials

lusty grotto
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all stuns in M+ are avoidable, you don't go orc for the stun resist racial

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literally sidestep

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because all of them are position and are telegraphed out the ass

weary thorn
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look nim, its called face tanking not side tanking okay

umbral forge
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@olive merlin you should go Nightborne. They're objectively the superior horde warrior race.

lusty grotto
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im still facing the pleb opponent while sidestepping

weary thorn
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you are a god then

oblique garnet
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@modern brook prot paladins are in better spot than warriors🤔

modern brook
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Yeah

oblique garnet
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No

weary thorn
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hard for me to side step and face while keyboard turning

modern brook
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they also do stupid damage and have amazing cooldowns

lusty grotto
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always look at them in the eye, especially when you masturbate or pee on them

modern brook
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but no one thinks they're busted

lusty grotto
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to establish dominance

modern brook
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so they wont get nerfed in 8.2

lusty grotto
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pro tip

modern brook
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Pally wont see a damage nerf in 8.2; but we're def gearing up for life without UF

oblique garnet
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Pro tip: prepare for the revenge build

lusty grotto
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aw

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pls stop doomsaying

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shhh bby is ok

oblique garnet
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Its gonna be new kinds of busted

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I actually tested it out

lusty grotto
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our nerf will be the removal of reaping

modern brook
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I'm actually super sad

oblique garnet
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3x callous

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It has

modern brook
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about wow in general

oblique garnet
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Potential

modern brook
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how much potential?

oblique garnet
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Almost as much as the current

lusty grotto
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are you gearing for a griff

visual aspen
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quick question for the room, I got a 410 Vial of animated blood, would it be better for protection versus Diamond and the RAGE trinket?

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400 ilevel for the diamond and RAGE

umbral forge
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I'd take it over Rage

modern brook
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def over rage

lusty grotto
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i wouldnt

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RAGE is more deeps

oblique garnet
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Id drop rage

lusty grotto
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(and more defensive)

modern brook
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I'm not gunna be griff nah

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I'm just playing like consistent trash this last like 6 days

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and playing poorly makes me not want to play

lusty grotto
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i mean

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i fuckd up those 2 runs

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last week

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you were in one lol

oblique garnet
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You need a confidence booster bull

modern brook
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I did a 10 tol and an 11 ToS as aconfidence booster

sick sentinel
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I need a energy booster

modern brook
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I nearly scuffed both

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Just absolute mongo pulling

oblique garnet
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You gotta do freehold man

lusty grotto
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goddamn it

modern brook
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big dumb monkey tank

lusty grotto
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please dont remind me

sick sentinel
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I am at the point we're I love/hate my prot

oblique garnet
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Neither of those is confidence boosting dungeon

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Those are sweating dungeons

modern brook
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yeah but like i dont need an ezpz dungeon to not do stupid shit

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like i pulled the snake room in rather than onto the bridge

lusty grotto
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the best confident booster is doing a hard dungeon well

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ez shit aint no confident booster wtf

long tinsel
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Has anyone had issues with M JFM timings being weird?

modern brook
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Define weird hota

sick sentinel
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What do u mean exactly?

long tinsel
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When we kept moving to the 3rd bomb last night we would go to the dance and then immediately to the maze and tigers would spawn

lusty grotto
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(and then proceed to fuck up super ez dungeons)

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(because youre overconfident)

chilly brook
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@lusty grotto idk smurfing and destroying kids in copper is a huge confidence boost 🙃

oblique garnet
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^

long tinsel
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We kept trying to change out timings and they kept being off from what was previously farm content

oblique garnet
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Roflstomping easy content is best way to get confidence back

sick sentinel
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@long tinsel unless ur dps is sleeping that sounds like them not dps like they normal do

modern brook
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^

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the phase shift is based on combined health

long tinsel
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We ended up cutting dps to make timing

modern brook
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its not on a timer

long tinsel
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18 manned it

lusty grotto
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nah i dont really feel confident after doing ez shit

chilly brook
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Wait

long tinsel
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So no that wasn't the reason

chilly brook
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Why would you cut people in Mythic

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It doesn’t scale

long tinsel
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Cause we thought our dps was too much and that's why the timings were off

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It was pretty bizzare

chilly brook
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BFD is one of those raids where you want more DPS

long tinsel
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None of us could figure out why our timings were off

chilly brook
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Because everything can be cheesed by having more DPS essentially

long tinsel
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Everyone was over 22k

modern brook
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😮 what a raid

long tinsel
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Soooooo we thought our dps was going too hard lol idk

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Just wondering if anyone experienced this before

chilly brook
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By cheese I really just mean either completely shortcutting things or throwing things out the window in general because it dies so fast

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Timings might be different because of that

sick sentinel
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I've never had spawns up or come up during maze in mythic so that's very very odd

chilly brook
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But it shouldn’t cause an issue

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Although if it did

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I wouldn’t be surprised

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This is blizz after all

wary lantern
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is heed my call good?

long tinsel
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The fight completely bugged out on us too before. The boss was still active during the maze

chilly brook
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looking at you Mythic ToS

lusty grotto
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HmC is good sure

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(for dps)

modern brook
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@long tinsel careful ull get banned for dpsing them during the maze

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:^)

wary lantern
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can choose between HmC and Shimering haven and HMC and lifespeed/ele whirl

lusty grotto
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HMC for M+

modern brook
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HmC and life speed imo

long tinsel
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Lol has that actually happened?

modern brook
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maybe ele whirl

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IDK

wary lantern
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so one hmc and one life speed?

long tinsel
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Lol

modern brook
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Blizzard's banning policiy has been shit for like ever

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and now that everyone hates blizzard i can say that and ppl will agree

sick sentinel
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^ not wrong

modern brook
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Like when the mythic first for helya get rolled back and the guild got banned

lusty grotto
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hmc and lifespeed is good

modern brook
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that was actual horse shit

chilly brook
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People got banned for stacking an xp potion that was never said to be exploiting until they got banned

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Soooooooo

sick sentinel
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Remember ToS cheese not long ago

modern brook
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and everyone was like XD SHOULDNT BE CHEATING HAHAHAHA

long tinsel
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Ahhhhh yeah i heard about those

sick sentinel
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And then the exp boost not a few weeks ago

oblique garnet
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It was said it was exploiting

wary lantern
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i totally wasnt banned for stacking XP pots

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no

chilly brook
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@oblique garnet yes after the fact lmao

lusty grotto
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im glad they got banned

oblique garnet
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Before the ban

lusty grotto
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but again

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lets drop it

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because the last time i fucking said that

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we were in a 4 hour argument

wary lantern
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the only reason they banned ppl was cos they released new races and got discount for race changes

chilly brook
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Like a day before? Because yea that helps you out

sick sentinel
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They banned for the exp, but not for the fucking cheese

oblique garnet
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There was a blizzard bluepost like the day it was found out its exploit

umbral forge
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no

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lol

oblique garnet
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Yes

chilly brook
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No

wary lantern
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no

modern brook
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😬

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plz stop

sick sentinel
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Yno

chilly brook
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Links then

wary lantern
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Blizz didnt say anything about it, till ppl got bans

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for 2 days they were silent, even if ppl were reporting it

chilly brook
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They never responded to tweets either

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Until people got banned

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Then Lore was basically like “fuck you. You’re dumb”

umbral forge
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and they wonder why we dislike Lore

oblique garnet
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What is this ridiculous witch hunt

chilly brook
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It’s not a ridiculous witch hunt

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He handled it extremely unprofessionally

oblique garnet
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But it is when theres legit confirmations that its exploit by blizzard before it got fixed

umbral forge
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...but there weren't any legit confirmations it was an exploit.

I mean you have to be pretty dumb to believe it's not an exploit

chilly brook
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Show. Me. The. Receipts.

umbral forge
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but still

dense flame
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Thanks to the folks here I’ve gotten to 2k io finally. Appreciate the positive community here.

chilly brook
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😆

wary lantern
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cauldrons werent exploit?

chilly brook
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Gratz

wary lantern
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i think it hurt the game more

chilly brook
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I mean let’s be honest, there are definitely ways you could think it wasn’t an exploit. Might have thought “oh the timers broken” but not that it was an exploit. That’s like saying that people who used contracts when they had no time limit should have got a ban for “exploiting”.

sick sentinel
#

If there was any take away from the bans, we now know a titanforge roll for temp bans is 31 days so far

chilly brook
#

The only reason people got banned for this is because it cost actiblizzion mtx money

sick sentinel
#

But hey there u go, blizzard will ban for lvl boosts but not for m+ cheese

chilly brook
#

Lul they’ll only ban certain people for cheesing m+ and Mythic raids

lusty grotto
#

Again as much as I don't like Activision and refuse to give any more money to them, I'm glad they ban for exploits no questions asked

chilly brook
#

selectively ban for "exploits"

sick sentinel
#

Both my 415+s rings have avoidance now

#

Take that wcm

chilly brook
#

If only it was leach

sick sentinel
#

Yeah...

#

But still, 6% avoidance is pretty of pog against shadow cleave

#

Especially on fort

chilly brook
#

Damn dude youtube knows me too well

#

recommended me a 13 minute video of a dude painting his rifle

analog garnet
#

Hey guys - we got M Jadefire Masters to sub 50% in just a few pulls last week and hoping to down tonight. Any trait recommendations (or traits to stack)? I am thinking Bloodsport could be very useful.

tropic star
#

if you feel that you are dying to the mage or final phase heonix tanking then year bloodsport is your go to. I didnt really need to change my talents for this. Only part that ever required some special work was when living bombs are out you need to communicate to your tank healers whether you are going into the cloud or staying out

lusty grotto
#

Nimchip quiet time

wooden radish
#

@ionic fern what is leech cap

narrow abyss
#

Probably bloodsport. But I don’t have issues without any

#

Last phase is kinda hairy

lusty grotto
#

Goddamn it lincoln

tropic star
#

last phase hurts but you also get to swap a lot faster

narrow abyss
#

Yup

tropic star
#

so make sure to pool rage and when you tag in have a full IP and lots of rage and you will be fine

#

spell relect also still negates his auto attack in final phase

ionic fern
#

I don't even know why i bother checking my pings anymore. 😃

#

😂

worthy dagger
#

rough week this week

sick sentinel
#

Lol

narrow abyss
#

@lusty grotto quick nav or siphoning

lusty grotto
#

@ionic fern is OK here's a <3

narrow abyss
#

😂

wooden radish
#

@ionic fern :sadkitty:

sick sentinel
#

I still can't fucking believe blizzard let players into MDI who used siphon enchant

#

Like that should have auto disqualified u

lusty grotto
#

Doesn't matter, they lost

worthy dagger
#

why?

old zephyr
#

Good

lusty grotto
#

The superior warrior won

sick sentinel
#

I haven't even wacthed MDI because I knew it was going to be a shit show

#

So unless Sense or Marok are in mdi idc

analog garnet
#

thx guys Ill have a piece to swap for bloodsport if it becomes problem.

lusty grotto
#

Bdk rerolls got owned

sick sentinel
#

Good

wooden radish
#

merek in the MDI nice meme

sick sentinel
#

Then everything is right in the world

#

No but for real who won

#

I'm not watching until the actual mdi

strong forum
#

Method eu

#

Obv

#

Crushed everyone 2-0 with 0 deaths

lusty grotto
#

With the superior no shit given for leech warrior

#

With superior gear

sick sentinel
#

He better had stacked avoidance

opal peak
#

still a reroll for mdi tho 😦

strong forum
#

He stacked mastery and damgur afaik

lusty grotto
#

Indestructible best tertiary Fite me

#

No

#

Haste and crit

sick sentinel
#

Was leapan in mdi?

#

Cause if he lost I want that guide fucking deleted

lusty grotto
#

Doesn't matter, he plays warrior correctly instead of trying to be a budget bdk

wooden radish
#

he wasn't no

#

i thought his team got DQed due to a ban

lusty grotto
#

Yup

strong forum
#

Alot of teams did I think

sick sentinel
#

To leapan Blizzard(me) says this
"Learn your fucking place, trash."

lusty grotto
#

Imagine not being banned cause you're a streamer lul

#

Fuck that

#

Again glad it applies to everyone

analog garnet
#

noob question #2 for M Jadefire Masters: should I shield block while on mage (does he auto?) or just IP for mage? thx

lusty grotto
#

Did you know that SB increases your SS dmg?

#

That being said, obviously it shouldn't be a priority, but of course the more damage on that phase the better

astral path
#

Oi so sad, I have 399 ilvl but practically none of my gear has haste x( only 4% before all my buffs (into the fray and rezan's eye proc). But like...4% man lmao

lusty grotto
#

That's fine

#

You get some haste from ITF anyway

astral path
#

Yeah, I gem/chant haste of course so on top of ITF I have that boost I suppose lol

analog garnet
#

ok sounds like IP > shield block while on mage. thx

astral path
#

In combat I end up having like 28% haste almost constantly so I figure it's alright but damn lol. I'd be 400 ilvl but I'm not giving up my 385 rezan's eye in favor of a strength w/on use mastery trinket...even though it's 395 I figure rezan's eye is better right?

lusty grotto
#

No

astral path
#

I mean I'm losing like 30ish strength but an on use that's mastery?....idk I feel like that's worse

lusty grotto
#

It's not

opal peak
#

survey says

#

🚫

astral path
#

I haven't had any issues with damage taken, I can tank 11s without much effort. But you guys still think the 395 on use is better?

lusty grotto
#

Yes

astral path
#

I have that dang button trinket from ML so I assumed getting rid of rezan's proc is a no-no

#

I just want Jes's howler already x.x i've done TD so many damn times

lusty grotto
#

Why

#

Jes is meh

opal peak
#

just spam ur & atal

ornate wagon
#

just got a vial! bound it into avatar immediately

lusty grotto
#

Focus on rezan, Butcher Block and vial if anything

ornate wagon
#

so im using diamond + vial

sick sentinel
#

That's fine

opal peak
#

tis what i use

lusty grotto
#

You already said you don't need defensive options @astral path so why even bother with jes

sick sentinel
#

Vial/Gore/Rezan/Diamond/Jes are our go to trinkets

astral path
#

I like howling, it's nice in situations when the group is hurting. and I don't raid so I won't get that trinket

#

good to know

#

I basically only want Jes for the utility, it's clutch sometimes

lusty grotto
#

Jes is absolute meh for M+

astral path
#

Aw, dang lol

sick sentinel
#

While vers is really good it loses a lot to crit

opal peak
#

if u get it gr8, but i wouldnt farm for it when there r better trinkets to farm

lusty grotto
#

2 min CD and doesnt do a lot dpswise

sick sentinel
#

In m+

lusty grotto
#

What cuddles said

marble cipher
#

Pretty sure I've read here that vial should not be bound to avatar @ornate wagon, you kinda 'lose' the highest value of it cause of gcd's used for the first clap and DS.

#

Could be wrong, but, seem to remember reading that.

lusty grotto
#

I def macro vial to avatar

opal peak
#

same

lusty grotto
#

90 seconds is perfect for every other avatar

opal peak
#

i just hit my avatar button if i wanna use trinket when avatar is on CD

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

marble cipher
#

Disregard my comment then, thought it was better to manually use it on the second TC. So after DS was applied.

lusty grotto
#

Your logic is correct

opal peak
#

i mean if ur really good about ur use

lusty grotto
#

But in practice..

opal peak
#

then sure dont macro

marble cipher
#

Don't have vial, so 😞

lusty grotto
#

The fact is that if you want to absolutely maximize dps you will certainly wait for demo

opal peak
#

but people like me would forget to use it

#

😃

marble cipher
#

Right, makes sense

umbral forge
#

@lusty grotto I found an use for it

lusty grotto
#

But truth be told, in practice you can probably disregard the dps loss

#

?

umbral forge
#

I can use my racial as a Nightborne when the mods I fight get sub 10% HP then heroic leap away
then they start dying as they run to me (slowed) and not step into blood!

#

cause it's a 50% slow and not a 20% slow like thunder clap

lusty grotto
#

Lol

umbral forge
#

.....its really useless still though

lusty grotto
#

Lmao

umbral forge
lusty grotto
#

But yeah sure

#

Just gotta be careful if they're in puddles you don't want them too slowed

opal peak
#

solo tank mythic 🤔

lusty grotto
#

I mean as a nightborne you can use the slow and then check your mail while they reach you ;) idk I think it's decent

umbral forge
#

@opal peak Yes. Kaege told me I shouldn't try it unless I had a 425 Shield.

lusty grotto
#

Right, since smash is blockable

sly plume
#

hey guys
are there any tank guides for higher keys and dungeon specific that you could recommend?

lusty grotto
#

So you want a huge amount of BV for it hehe

opal peak
#

that sounds painful

lusty grotto
#

Because 3x will hurt a lot

opal peak
#

but fun

lusty grotto
#

When in doubt, Wall it

unborn island
#

So, I got 3x BOM, mythic CoL chest and BOM/IF on both head and shoulders....which slot to roll on for an upgrade this week?

#

I'm edging towards shoulders

ornate wagon
#

DC/BoM/Overwhelming Power/Impassive visage helm, OR Engineering crafted helm?

lusty grotto
#

hmm dunno

#

you seem to be pretty set Loosecannon

#

are they all 415s ?

supple path
#

Once all 3 of my slots were safely BoM'd, I'd probably be rolling for the abyssal malevolence helm Alfr has there

ornate wagon
#

ye

lusty grotto
#

not you

#

loosecannon

supple path
#

Since OP + IV are really solid 3rd/4th traits, none of the other helms/shoulders have 4 top-tier traits like that I think.

lusty grotto
#

with 3x BoM + IF/BS gear im simply rolling for fury

#

🤷

#

i dont see the value of rolling for 3rd or 4th ring traits

supple path
#

I'm still rolling for superior prot items and then just relegating the remaining items to fury suit.

lusty grotto
#

but again rolling for fury yields some better options in that regard

supple path
#

Yeah, that's a YMMV on how much you care about your dps suit

lusty grotto
#

so you don't lose a lot

#

still waiting on arms to be buffed because fuck fury

opal peak
#

man i've tried dpsing once as arms and once as fury

#

i dont get either

lusty grotto
#

i just like arms more because it has been my go to dps spec since vanilla

supple path
#

Enrage is a kinda irritating mechanic.

lusty grotto
#

i have disliked fury forever

#

i honestly dont mind enrage

#

its just the whole class fantasy in general is meh

narrow abyss
#

Arms doesn’t feel like vanilla arms 😢

lusty grotto
#

doesn't matter

#

i mean shit you can spec rend if you want it

sick sentinel
#

Give prot rend back and arms TC

lusty grotto
#

sure retal doesn't exist anymore but whatever

supple path
#

Do you want to two shot people with mortal strike + a white hit while "WE ARE WARRIORS BORN FROM THE LIGHT" blares then Puzzle?

sick sentinel
#

Also give banners

narrow abyss
#

Those were the days

unborn island
#

@lusty grotto yep all 415

sick sentinel
#

Give me Sunder armor god damnit

sand egret
#

get the fuck out

narrow abyss
#

That part I don’t miss. Tab sunder

#

Fuck that

lusty grotto
#

our dps specs really need some utility, getting a reworked sunder back for them would be good

sand egret
#

sunder = monk debuff

lusty grotto
#

ala monk's debuff

#

yeah

sick sentinel
#

I'd also like a to petition for a name change to have Shield Slam changed to Shield Bash

#

We don't slam our shields we bash them

lusty grotto
#

nah that was our interrupt

unborn island
#

Do dps warriors still get shockwave these days? Or do Rogues and Demon hunters get all of the stuff now

lusty grotto
#

no shockwave loosecannon

sick sentinel
#

Sadly

#

We had it in legion, right?

unborn island
#

Yarr

supple path
#

Yeah, and it was a 4 second duration instead of 2

sick sentinel
#

We got shockwave baseline, but the CD reduction was put as a talent

#

So it's just better to go stormbolt

supple path
#

Took me so long to finally switch to stormbolt instead of rumbling earth but man it's just clearly much better in m+

sick sentinel
#

It's a whole new fucking world

supple path
#

So huge in motherlode.

sand egret
#

yeah, a totally independent button is huge for interrupting hard casts

#

I ran Rumble early and when I switched I dont think Ive ever went back

winter aspen
#

Hmm

#

A 30 sec cd cc would be nice on the pesky casters

#

Thats the only stuff that hurts anyways

lusty grotto
#

?

#

no thanks

#

don't need another cc

winter aspen
#

SB has 30 sec cd

sand egret
#

prety sure he's referring to SB

#

ya derp

lusty grotto
#

its fine as it is

sand egret
#

and?

#

no one said it wasn't lol

#

read again.=)

opal peak
#

listen

#

warriors aren't rogues

#

so it doesnt matter

#

irrelevant dps class

sand egret
#

pretty sure the comment was more like "[SB] would be nice on pesky casters"

winter aspen
#

Yes

sand egret
#

its ok Nim's just got his stupid fish mace on the brain

winter aspen
#

Im using rumbling and dont think its that great

lusty grotto
#

oh

#

🤷

winter aspen
#

You wont push out 2 shocks a pack anyway

lusty grotto
#

ive used SB for too long now

modern brook
#

lol

#

imagine not using menace

lusty grotto
#

wdf

#

lmao

winter aspen
#

Also you can stun the demos on SoB twice

sand egret
#

it also often becomes moot since you're probably running a WW or DH and those also have AoE stuns putting wave on a tiny duration

winter aspen
#

Exactly

sand egret
#

having a ranged independent button that doesn't put the rest of the pack on DR is great

winter aspen
#

But my bar is already full aah the pain

lusty grotto
#

you use only 1 bar?

#

everything you need fits in 2

supple path
#

I use 4 bars and don't have extra room.

lusty grotto
#

what the fuck do you people have in your bars lol

supple path
#

Are you factoring in super important hotkeys like your non-combat pet and the biscuit that makes it bigger?

winter aspen
#

Not when you have pots and other shit on bars

sand egret
#

also. How can you possibly hit the button "Avatar" without yelling FOR KAZ'MODAN and then proceed to look and find some weak ass Far Seer to Storm Bolt....

modern brook
#

If ur biscuit isnt on 4 what are u doing

lusty grotto
#

i have pots, drums and battleshout on my bars

winter aspen
#

Also mounts

sand egret
#

just make sure your hearthstone is hotkeyed

#

i heard all the top tanks do that

modern brook
#

its necessary for ML

#

so

supple path
#

Just remember to have your gloves enchanted for swift hearthing for that awesome intimidating shout -> hearth combo

winter aspen
#

That boss is why no gear changing sucks

sand egret
#

i mean ideal dps rotation in Avatar is TClap > Hearthstone > TClap

lusty grotto
#

that's bracers though

supple path
#

oh right bracers

winter aspen
#

Could play around it a bit atleast

modern brook
#

lol blade

#

that got me

lusty grotto
#

blade crashing servers

sand egret
#

i guarantee you you'll take no damage if you pull it off 😃

winter aspen
#

Wtf theres a hearth enchant

sand egret
#

and granted how busted BootyClap is....you'll prob still hold aggro back in Dalaran

lusty grotto
#

its enchanter only

winter aspen
#

Ah crap

weary thorn
#

boots soup clap is best clap

lusty grotto
#

imagine mobs begrudgingly walking at 25% reduced speed to your ass from Motherload to Daralan

sand egret
#

20%

lusty grotto
#

this shit again

sand egret
#

when is Trevor getting back....these mofos got to go

lusty grotto
#

fat mobs instantly become thin

#

and fit

#

then die

#

hey trevor has buddies now

#

reaping trevor buds

#

not as threatening but still

sand egret
#

the Trevor Troupe

lusty grotto
#

i imagine trevor like michael j fox in that one ghost movie

#

and the trevor buds as the ghosts

#

fuck i forgot the name of them ovie

sand egret
#

im imdbing that shit hard

lusty grotto
#

the frighteners

sand egret
#

hahah yesss

upbeat basin
#

Brand new to tanking and about to tank m jaina. Any p1 tips?

modern brook
#

press sheild block more than ip

weary thorn
#

I'm not the brightest crayon in the toolshed, but why are people being thrown at M Jaina so often as brand new tanks?

#

I think I see that question at least a couple times a week in here

modern brook
#

🤷

#

becuz pr0t iz face roll xd

upbeat basin
#

Our tanks pc broke, and I'm the only warrior

weary thorn
#

fair, just seems to happen frequently enough to see it as a usual question lol

sinful vortex
#

People quittin, dps warrior is bad, may as well try em on prot which is fotm

weary thorn
#

sure, I understand the reasons behind how it happens

#

its the new to tanking and starting on m jaina part. Probably want to cut your teeth on some more forgiving content, but thats just me

modern brook
#

idk that fight isnt a whole lot form the tank's pov.

#

mostly just taunt swaps on stacks

#

like its def harder than CoL

weary thorn
#

I get it

modern brook
#

or like anything else in the raid

upbeat basin
#

How many stacks? Its about 10 on hc right?

modern brook
#

🤷

#

I havent raided in a minute

#

iirc we just taunted when the others dropped off which sounds like ~10

umbral forge
#

It's time lads.

weary thorn
#

oh. oh no.

#

@lusty grotto help

frozen ember
#

popcorn

outer dew
#

Good

#

Join the dark side

#

Live the leech dream

white yoke
#

is there a list of blockable/reflectable abilities somewhere?

brisk ferry
narrow abyss
#

Damnit ur fast

brisk ferry
modern brook
astral crystal
#

ex bdk players OMEGALUL

modern brook
#

I'm assuming ur memeing but 😠

#

I def cut my own statement off at the wrong spot

#

it's not bad, it's retarded --bullfango, 2019

brisk ferry
#

the fact they're spelling it leach bothers me more than then them wanting to stack leech

sand condor
#

did someone say

#

LEECH

modern brook
#

"lee-ach

sand condor
#

GUYS 15% LEECH BUILD

sick sentinel
#

I mean

#

if you were going to use that gear anyway

steady dragon
#

assuming all my traits are shit but the pieces are still 415

sick sentinel
#

leech is nice

steady dragon
#

what slot do i rando

#

for azerite

sick sentinel
#

are you mplus focused\

steady dragon
#

raiding

sick sentinel
#

do you have a DC on your gear

steady dragon
#

can have dc on any of my 3 pieces

grand drum
#

Shoulders

brisk ferry
#

or all 3 pieces sense

sick sentinel
#

NO

#

BAD

steady dragon
#

k cheers

brisk ferry
#

GL TC

steady dragon
brisk ferry
#

I meant it as take care, but I'm okay with it being read as Thunder Clap

steady dragon
#

BoM woo

brisk ferry
#

dang nice piece

winter aspen
#

More dmg more better

open field
#

GUYS

#

Just got a 425 Diamong and Idk what to use

#

Ive got 420 block and 400 rezans

#

pls help

stoic pilot
#

420 block and 425 diamond is what I’d use

open field
#

i had the same thinking

stoic pilot
#

Diamond is really nice so far with grievous for m+

open field
#

And how was it with rings again does ilvl on them matter?

modern brook
#

ilvl > all

#

jewlery has the most exception to that rule

#

but more stats > "good" stats

open field
#

K ty

runic parcel
#

IF for dmg, BoM for suv?

modern brook
#

Strike that, reverse it

#

bom is the weakest pure survival gain of all triats

sick sentinel
#

Nah its big gains

#

Don't have to worry about living if they are dead

modern brook
#

i mean

#

just cause ur not wrong doesnt mean ur right

#

:^)

viral adder
#

whats up ex bdk players

brisk ferry
#

I feel attacked

sick sentinel
#

I wonder if my ferals still have the dk discord hostage

modern brook
#

they dont

gilded viper
#

Hey bois.
Im in quite a struggle..
I gotta choose between 405 helm with bom and deaf traits or a 415 helm with deaf and bloodsport.

Currently i got a 415 chest with bom and iron fortress
and some 415 shoulders with bom and bloodsport

brisk ferry
#

415

sick sentinel
#

415

brisk ferry
#

since u already have DC

sick sentinel
#

I mean it wouldn't even matter

#

Ilvl

gilded viper
#

huh?

brisk ferry
#

I'd use 405 with DC if it was my only DC piece

vocal skiff
#

Got a 410 block in my chest

#

Problem is

#

I already have one

#

Fuck

brisk ferry
#

@gilded viper use your 415

modern brook
#

@gilded viper 415 DC BS

vocal skiff
#

And I got from the chest 2 months ago or so

modern brook
#

@vocal skiff use both :^)

#

I got my 9th belt :^(

sick sentinel
#

I got some gloves

gilded viper
#

I just thought the bom trait was the best i could get when i already had deaf?

modern brook
#

i mean u still have 2 of them

brisk ferry
#

it is, but it's not worth ilvls

#

also ^

modern brook
#

also BS value goes up with 1+ BoM

#

3rdly the mast gain during avatar is not worth the stat loss of 10 ilvls

#

thats like what 200 stam, 100 arm and str?

#

something close to that

gilded viper
#

ye a bit lower but yea

#

Would u go overwhelming power, earthlink or azerite veins with this weeks affixes?

sick sentinel
#

Regardless even if u lost the DC the ilvl would be better

brisk ferry
#

OP every week

modern brook
#

OP always

sick sentinel
#

EarthLink because fuck the code

brisk ferry
#

big yuck

modern brook
#

fun fact: Earthlink does not cycle out of combat

sick sentinel
#

I like OP if I have 2 of them

#

Even tho one is good I want MAXIMUMER HASTE

brisk ferry
#

new word, I like it

#

maximumer

modern brook
#

ha

#

imagine only having 2 ops

delicate urchin
#

Meticulous Scheming vs bfi in m+?

sand egret
#

BFI

jade socket
#

Meticulous scheming is very bad I wouldn’t take it 99% of the time

sand egret
#

that 1% is when you specifically wanna see just how high you can get your haste stat on your character sheet

lusty grotto
#

wew thank god i missed that tag

delicate urchin
#

XD

lusty grotto
#

i totally did not scroll up to read

#

"doesnt look like anything to me"

#

westworld

weary thorn
#

Well luckily bullfango was handy with his picture

lusty grotto
#

best picture

#

hey

#

i havent done this in a long time but

jovial haven
#

some screenshots come in handy to have

lusty grotto
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is it quote of the day time?

jovial haven
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leech here it chip

lusty grotto
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quote of the day done! ✅

weary thorn
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by quote of the day, you mean misinformation of the day right?

lusty grotto
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im immune to puns wicked

jovial haven
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leech all give Chip a round of applouse for the qoutes

lusty grotto
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oh good lord

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halp my immunity faded

jovial haven
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lol...had to get a reaction lol

weary thorn
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applouse, kowalski analysis

brisk ferry
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those were pretty great QOTD's

modern brook
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:grimace

empty inlet
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I like that quote

lusty grotto
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its been a while

modern brook
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yeh its beena minute

jovial haven
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too lazy today to worry about spelling @major

weary thorn
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memelords would be disappointed in you

empty inlet
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Imagine pulling 5 packs in freehold and lose 0 hp

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LuL

supple path
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now I'm wondering how many packs I could pull with 3 moonkins doing treants.

empty inlet
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0 because mobs won't die

modern brook
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is anyone else omega triggered that they made the mog weapon that goes with ethe shield from the raid a 2her?

sand condor
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i thought you brought prot warrior for dps

lusty grotto
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no, because all i need is the fish weapon

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which i already have 😃

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🐟

jovial haven
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it's ok major i got a reaction so i'm good with it lol

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hoping to get diamond friday, didn't get it these last two weeks even with bonus roll

lusty grotto
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heh

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i still havent gotten it and bonus rolled at least once every week

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since week 2 of BoD pretty much

empty inlet
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Imagine getting gear from raid cant relate

jovial haven
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i've only raided these last 2 weeks

empty inlet
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Still using 400 chest from champion

lusty grotto
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no worries wicked you probably will have better luck than me lol

jovial haven
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i just want to have it until i can get block and a higher rezan

lusty grotto
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already got rezan and block 😄

jovial haven
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i have a 395 rezan and 400 alch unfortunate

lusty grotto
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thats not too bad

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could be worse

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you could have a 415 shitpods

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or 415 fang

jovial haven
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true

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i think if i ran into those i would just scrap them right away

exotic spoke
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I hold onto them just to keep the meme of always getting trinkets alive

jovial haven
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it would hurt me to see them in my bags

slow crystal
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can anyone confirm that the Gigavolt Radiation Zones dropped by Gigavolt Charge in M Mekka are "permanent"? had heard hey despawned after a few min but Tanknotes says perm.

exotic spoke
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I’m totally taking a screenshot of it lol.

jovial haven
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lol Riki

sick sentinel
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@slow crystal I am pretty sure that they are perm

exotic spoke
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I think I have ~10 -12 trinkets at 400+

jovial haven
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damn, i need to farm waycrest and atal this week i think

slow crystal
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@sick sentinel ty

jovial haven
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should have done it last week but was too busy with other stuff

olive merlin
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I have 395 block and 400 diamond. Wish block was a little higher.

jovial haven
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hit up all those 10 waycrests

inland mesa
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I got freaking decked last night, two 425 WF, and a 420 WF

jovial haven
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so you're the one stealin all the luck

exotic spoke
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I got a 410 ring with a socket from the turtles cache.

Every week I realize I despite and loathe personal loot more and more.

inland mesa
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but the one thing I need the King ring didn't drop 😦 my yucky 400 for raid gear for the str bonus

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yeah I got a 415 ring I still use from turtle cache

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I feel like turtle WF a lot more than any other

exotic spoke
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I can’t get a fucking shield. I’m to the point of asking our get paladins who have 415 shields to set loot spec to prot on the first boss.

jovial haven
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i got junk from them... my dk got same 385 charm from them for the 4th time

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i got 400 shield from champions last week

inland mesa
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I got traded my 415 and then first blockade kill dropped a 420

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all in the same week, two weeks ago, before that never saw it coined every week

exotic spoke
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Had 3 ele / resto shaman an h pal, 2 try pals (I think one went prot) and myself. No shield drops except one of the shaman got it on a bonus roll

inland mesa
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I feel though, up until last night the majority of my loot was M+ or traded to me haha

exotic spoke
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Oh that’s most of mine. I don’t have an issue with it. But you can’t get higher than 410 shield during the week - ifnit warforges

modern brook
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I got chest and bonus rolled a 420 shield on my first mythic champs kill

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burned all my luck at once there :^(

outer dew
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Ban this guy

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This week has been ass to pug

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That I've been considering just leveling my pala

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Lmao

modern brook
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Dude this week is just ass

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And its pet week

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insult to injury

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weeks like this should only be time walking, tbh

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or at least pvp

empty inlet
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This is one of the easiest push week wut

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Esp after they nerfed sanguin while ago

modern brook
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greivous fort 😠

undone sun
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Sanguine isn't the issue, never had been

empty inlet
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Grevious with out tyrannical is LUL

ember arrow
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wow good yet?

modern brook
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@ember arrow never was :^)

ember arrow
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7.3 existed

modern brook
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yeah u right

empty inlet
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Legion BibleThump

modern brook
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If u didnt like BFA in 8.0 u wont like it in 1.5

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the shit is still there just less shitty

ember arrow
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zandalari trolls saved the expansion

modern brook
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😬

ember arrow
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level to 120 to experience turtles and water

modern brook
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zand trolls not being able to be warlocks ruined the expansion, TBH

ember arrow
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relevant emote

empty inlet
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None legion warlock 😬

unreal hound
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any protection tank that can help a nooby?

jovial haven
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there are many prot warriors here, the help depends on what you need. feel free to ask anything @unreal hound

lusty grotto
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oh levko

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hello

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game still shit tho

exotic spoke
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Eh, I’m enjoying it now. Maybe that’s because I hate myself though?

lusty grotto
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no

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thats the levko meme

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he always asks wow good yet

exotic spoke
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Ahhhh

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Fair.

lusty grotto
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we say wow is shit

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he leaves

exotic spoke
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And all is good in the world?

lusty grotto
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sometimes he drops some funny gifs

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its just a good meme time

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quick and to the point

exotic spoke
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Like my sex life

lusty grotto
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😮

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self deprecating, i like it

exotic spoke
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Zing! That’s a joke .... what’s a sex life

Double zing!