and theres a CN that runs it as well
#protection
steel mauve
oblique garnet
Pretty sure glick doesnt run it entire dungeon
That would be idiotic
Nerf did it in mdi
astral crystal
checking a few logs here, for 22 at least i see only glickz doing it, not that there's too many available anyway
lavish oracle
I don't know if logs track talent swaps mid dungeon, is the thing?
oblique garnet
You can check talents on boss
lavish oracle
I know I've watched both Vitaminpee and Darkee swap for specifically those fights, though
calm trout
tbh it also depends if u have bloodsports imo
for example if u have 2 bloodsports u dont need never surrender imo.
undone sun
you don't need ns. period.
astral crystal
there's a couple of questionable mdi player memes
cough leech cough
throw NS on the pile
but yeah logs for 22 ML dont demonstrate any favor for NS
20s so far dont either
looking boss by boss basis
talents are largely the same
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
what's your warrior's name azathoth?
lavish oracle
Why...?
worthy dagger
who dares to take NS?
astral crystal
just wanted to see if there were logs, no โฃ
lavish oracle
Oh, nah
I keep my combat log as a giant tangled mess
I have a motherlode key this week I can log, though
Fort though, don't know how helpful it'll be
I guess I might be able to convince my group to run ML on the TR though, lol
worthy dagger
BS / CR + NS ๐ฎ
new meta
but then you have to talent Vengeance
and Best Served Cold
true plover
Hmm.. Use a 15 ilv upgrade belt or sell? At 410 ilv atm
lavish oracle
Personally I'd sell it because I'm poor
worthy dagger
We should stick somewhere "Ilvl > ALL"
true plover
If it wasn't 15ilv I wouldn't be so tempted to use it. I haven't gotten an upgrade from cache in over a month.
stoic pilot
Equip belt sell a +10
lavish oracle
Looking at 2 logs from Dasbearjuden and 2 logs from glickz, I think I can at least safely say that NS does more healing than bolster on Rixxa (although 4 pulls is a pretty small sample size)
Hard to say if it's actually better
Here are the 4 logs I'm looking at if anyone is at all interested:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VtN3ZvABDWpy2M7a#fight=3&phase=3&type=damage-taken&options=130&start=5363547&end=5668976
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dAt4knXbRfaBN2ZY#fight=77&phase=3&type=damage-taken&options=130&start=36222664&end=36504753
lavish oracle
One of, if not, the best inner trait
ornate wagon
might swap one of them for the engineering helm
oh and i got my prism tonight, although its just heroic, it has a socket
true plover
Does the waycrest door only rotate by week now?
modest wedge
where does that rumor come from ๐
true plover
I got top left 5 times last week
modest wedge
i got top left and bottom right ๐ค
true plover
Guess rng was good for me then
raw solar
I assume vial+ rezans
sick sentinel
yeh i got gore lol
modest wedge
got gore yesterday but its only 400. rather wear alchemy + rezan :(
too late is too late
lusty grotto
gore + rezan masterrace
spring topaz
is hm tauren still best race for prot warrior?
oblique garnet
For what content
oblique garnet
I have no clue what hmt turns into on bod tbh
spring topaz
my groups on jaina
spring topaz
ty
fringe anvil
Hi all, I have a question
I dont understand k value - if I got to any M0 dungeon and target 122mob lvl and my block will be 42.5 its ok, right? Without any deeper understanding?
ionic fern
It's a constant armor value that set level enemies have.
Why wouldn't you be OK with 42.5?
"a constant armor value set level enemies are at,
8.1 K values
M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)" if you wanna know more.
fringe anvil
I saw this numbers but dont understand them ๐
its my armory
and I dont know if im fine
ionic fern
What exactly are you worrying about? ๐ค
You will be fine regardless.
Or is it a worry about the 42.5 block because of the m+ guide Lepan wrote?
If that's the case don't even bother worrying about it.
undone sun
not really something to worry about on an average basis, just used in damage calculations
fringe anvil
exactly"
Or is it a worry about the 42.5 block because of the m+ guide Lepan wrote?"
ionic fern
Do not worry about it.
Just follow the general stat priority of Ilvl>haste=>everything else and you will be fine.
ionic fern
Yes.
oblique garnet
@ionic fern headpiece or chest?
ionic fern
Ooh, you can buy one?
oblique garnet
just rolling random
which one
tbh i could have probably saved for specific at this point but just been rolling random for while now XD
ionic fern
What did you get?:D
ionic fern
๐ฆ
oblique garnet
eh
tbh i have really good azerite already
was just fishing for one vamp speed
with bom + dc traits
ionic fern
I should be able to buy one as well after i get home.
Got anything good from chest tho?
sand condor
ahhw yis
got 2 pieces with bom now
got 2 dc
3 dc and 2 bom
so that should up my dps
from 1 bom 1 dc
old zephyr
I got...
A leech proc from the chest
umbral forge
Sweet
torn sleet
@old zephyr excuse me sir, have you considered turning over all your stats to prioritize Leech above all other forms of stats?
old zephyr
Yes.
Then the effets of the drugs faded and I went back to normal.
torn sleet
Still really boggles my mind after you guys set me straight. Though I wonder if the top warriors were just trying it out and I just caught a few after reforges
umbral forge
15% leech now that's the dream
sand condor
50%
halcyon fable
Ive got a 410 Crit/Haste ring and I just got a 385 Haste/Vers with a socket. Which should I use? Old ring is mainstat crit, new is mainstat vers
ionic fern
Crit/haste.
ionic fern
"all my alts" o.o How many do you have?
halcyon fable
The haste/vers doesnt with better haste itemization doesnt outweigh the crit/haste? I know DPS wise it wont, what about defensively?
ionic fern
You have to take into consideration the stm increase with the ilvl difference as well.
Most secondaries are fairly close for protection warrior with haste being prefered .
ionic fern
o.o
halcyon fable
true that
oblique garnet
it takes like a day to get a character to 400
ionic fern
And VDH is 370
Jeah. But i just don't play them that much
I usually just do a weekly.
Only playing BDK for Mekka and rogue if i need to dps m+
oblique garnet
I wish i actually could dps more on m+
ionic fern
Finding a tank is a pain for m+
oblique garnet
i just play alot with friends
ionic fern
What do you wanna DPS as even?
ionic fern
Just join a random pug as fury.
oblique garnet
fuck fury
oblique garnet
nah cba as fury
oblique garnet
bom
ionic fern
^
crisp pecan
meh, ok :d
ionic fern
I wanted to DPS yesterday but i got pulled into WM as a tank. ๐ฆ
umbral forge
None of my guild's 3 other tanks have signed for tonight.
We solo tanking Mythic Grong, bois
crisp pecan
still worth more than +17 in time :d
sand condor
50%
deft prairie
Hello everyone,
I just got a new shield in the weekly chest, and am wondering if I should replace my existing one, what do you think ? I only do M+, and I'm not interested in raiding.
oblique garnet
always
deft prairie
Ok thant's what I was thinking, thanks
sand condor
Ilvl>>>stats
deft prairie
Ok, I'll remember that ! Didn't play much at BfA launch and only got back in game recently, so I wasn't sure if ilvl was better than stats currently or not.
lapis ridge
i was about to ask similar question with weapon, 5 ilvl upgrade, but loose leech? worth?
sand condor
Prly
ebon hound
100% worth
umbral forge
Keep the leech weapon
it's a surprise tool that will help us later
but do replace it
lapis ridge
thaaaank you!
limber jolt
Hey Guys
oblique garnet
@lapis ridge do not fucking drop ilvl for leech dont listen to the false gods of leech
oblique garnet
yes
ionic fern
Ilvl>Haste=>w/e.
umbral forge
DPS
spice ferry
Because theyโre the best in the world and are speed clearing, so go dps
hollow thorn
He went full haste crit cus thats ideal for dmg
hidden linden
I think maybe there are people who think that last weekend's MDI were about high keys but they were not, they were about speed. These guys & gals run 20+ keys on live, and the competition revolves around clearing time, so that makes perfect sense for them to go DPS
tranquil jungle
DC & BoM 400 vs IF & Brace 415 for M+ (I've already got DC on other gear) - Thoughts? D:
hollow thorn
415
hollow thorn
Zandalari masterrace
tranquil jungle
Was tempted, but HMT having tiny bit extra Vers is nice
hollow thorn
Looks > Racials
wary lantern
Good transmog > Skill
tranquil jungle
Tauren also beastly, also like that ๐
Yeah TMog on Tauren is always fun
Zanda Troll or Tauren, aside from Tauren Helm/Boots, they look pretty massive, which, for a tank, I like ;D
wary lantern
is there a Tmog of only Loin Cloth? ๐
tranquil jungle
oh no
wary lantern
waiting for Hide chest option, before i make tauren
quiet hornet
oblique garnet
@hollow thorn thats also arguably the best defensively in most dungeons aswell
unborn island
I've tried to get my prot warrior as naked as possible
I don't have good items for it
I wanted to hold a bit of chicken as a shield and a stein as a weapon too
but apparently I can't transmog my shield into a 'held in off hand'
tranquil jungle
๐ฆ
umbral forge
Nightborne Male masterrace
quiet hornet
You look like a magic caster with a shield and sword!
umbral forge
Exactly!
quiet hornet
๐ค
umbral forge
Seriously though this looks so fucking good. Haven't regretted it for a day.
Nightborne master race.
tranquil jungle
huehue
unborn island
@umbral forge What;s that weapon? looks coo
umbral forge
Life and Death from Naxxramas
quick how tank first boss on heroic never done it before
AH YES OTHER TANK TAKES THE BOSS
old zephyr
You have to swap
umbral forge
they run away
old zephyr
Ugh ugly
umbral forge
yeah he's not a Nightborne
old zephyr
No I mean kiting a raid boss...
ionic fern
You don't reset anything. Just pull adds on boss and Hero them down
oblique garnet
^
outer dew
full spruce
After it does the fallen cast thereโs usually a wave of light after on Mythic. Spell reflect at the end of the cast and your stacks will reset.
umbral forge
Any germans here?
tranquil jungle
Nรถ
umbral forge
other pug tank is german and can't english ;_;
lucid bough
hollow thorn
no u cant
severe osprey
Is the reason I can't see the tradewinds trait on any Azerite ranking list because it's garbage?
Or am I blind
ionic fern
1)It's RNG
2)You get on demand mastery from BoM/Avatar every 45s anyways
3)Mastery is not a valuable stat for most of the other classes so the jumping benefit of it goes to waste in most scenarios.
4)Most other traits in the same ring as Tradewinds provide more.
severe osprey
Thanks, choice was between that or the block trait but I already have enough block for m+ so I just took tradewinds instead.
ionic fern
What do you mean "Have enough block for m+"?
severe osprey
Well I might be misunderstanding the K value part of the wowhead m+ guide but I seem to be at a point where block is less valuable?
timid jay
I LOVE THIS MEME
ionic fern
NO
timid jay
It never stops giving
ionic fern
The 42.5 in the guide is not something you go by
severe osprey
So you would take the static block trait instead?
ionic fern
Yes.
severe osprey
I don't seem to struggle with tanking multiple packs in m+ atm however I'm only pushing to around 18s
timid jay
Unless you have an obscene amount of mastery the "block cap" is the biggest meme
ionic fern
^
icy yarrow
bois, are those new azerite traits in ici veins for real?????
severe osprey
My bad, the guide makes out that there's some sort of diminishing returns past a certain point
frosty spindle
Hi guys, what Is the best race for prot atm?
timid jay
There is some diminishing returns but its negligible
thorn spruce
The block cap is 85%, thats only reachable if you crit block, do you critblock every melee? If not you still want block value
ionic fern
Just go for ilvl>haste=>w/e.
timid jay
Relevent values are bolded
ionic fern
And ignore the 42.5 number.
It's irrelevant since you can't guarantee crit blocks anyways.
severe osprey
For a pushing damage point of view which should I take
The block trait damage seems lackluster
wary lantern
should i gem and ench for haste?
timid jay
no, leech
wary lantern
:/
ionic fern
Yes HASTE.
thorn spruce
Cosmo please
timid jay
๐ข
wary lantern
my warrior is barely 1 day on 120 :/
ionic fern
We still love you Cosmo. โค
frosty spindle
Tauren or zandalari for prot?
chilly hemlock
@timid jay so what is the block cap if it's not 42.5%
chilly hemlock
is there a formula I can use?
severe osprey
I have 73% leech
timid jay
Hey thats pretty good
severe osprey
Does that mean I need a shield?
timid jay
(Dps/leech)*(blockrating/armor+block rating+ (k/2))
chilly hemlock
thanks cosmo, can always count on you
timid jay
๐
chilly hemlock
not like those yellow people
timid jay
I bet Mwahi doesnt even stack leech
ionic fern
I don't. ๐ฆ
timid jay
see
ionic fern
But i heard that if you remove half your gear you can cut down on leech overhealing since you take more damage.
severe osprey
Is it worth losing 100 ilvs for 15 leech?
sick sentinel
Yes
severe osprey
I'm gonna be invincible
umbral forge
what's the block cap
sick sentinel
I got a leech item from legion and I use that instead of my 415 from bod
@umbral forge 85%
sick sentinel
Which in turn means that the crit block cap is 42.5
chilly hemlock
Unironically caring about crit block cap
sick sentinel
But because we are not always crit blocking we just want higher block
chilly hemlock
You don't care about crit block cap because you don't care that much about mitigating damage if you crit block.
The bulk of damage taken is from regular blocks and non-blocked hits
sick sentinel
A crit blocked attack basically doesn't do any damage
Non-blocked hits monkaS
I'm just gonna go, just listen to this guy ^^
chilly hemlock
please don't, i only open skyhold once every 3 months
sick sentinel
Yeah but I want breakfast lol
timid jay
Need to up your leech game Mele
sick sentinel
I'm here the rest of the time
severe osprey
3rd boss in motherlode, is there a way to tell when she's going to cast the spell reflectable dot or do you just have to have the reactions of a flea.
severe osprey
Ah
ionic fern
Littlewigs tracks it jeah but i'd suggest you use it at around 2s left cause she sometimes casts is earlier.
distant crystal
littlewigs tracks it but it's way off
timid jay
Could be worth checking DBM settings, usually a lot of abilites you can track that arent there by default
distant crystal
on the first one at least
severe osprey
Well I use littlewigs but I was still fucking it up
distant crystal
seems like every other one the timer is right, so just skip reflect on the first one then use littlewigs timers :p
severe osprey
Only for about half of them
Had to do all the aids trash as well because we didn't have any CR it was quite painful
distant crystal
also i turned that up in the settings so it does an audible countdown
severe osprey
That's a good idea
umbral forge
raid leader didn't let me tank Grong on mythic ;_;
sick sentinel
you mean solo tank?
sick sentinel
tbh I don't think you can do it
unless you have a 425 shield
k value in mythic is massive
it's like almost double what mplus k value is
umbral forge
I was thinking of rotating BoP's during beastial combo. But yeah.
My Shield is still 415 sadly
old zephyr
If you get BoP he's gonna smash someone else, i'm pretty sure
umbral forge
BoP & me taunting for that dreadful third Bestial Smash
sick sentinel
send some logs we want to see the massive B values
umbral forge
When I manage to convince him to solo tank mythic grong
sick sentinel
@modern brook wants to see the b values
umbral forge
I'll record the thing
sick sentinel
ionic fern
That's mythic?
sick sentinel
idk, ask @modern brook
I will tag @modern brook again once or twice so he thinks that something important happend when he opens discord
versed blade
What do you mean by K and B value?
sick sentinel
the higher the K value, the more block stat you need to block the attack
so for example mplus has a K value of 8400 and mythic BoD has over 11000
in mplus you will block 42.5% of the damage with a 415 shield whereas in the raid you will block like 35 or so I don't exactly remember
ionic fern
8.1 K values
M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)
autumn pendant
Second time i see this today
versed blade
Where do you find these numbers and how can I apply them?
sick sentinel
you don't need to
ionic fern
They are nothing you have to worry about in your everyday playing.
sick sentinel
we need them to give advice and theorize about stuff
and then we tell you the results
we do that work for you basically
and by we I mean the theorycrafters and the guide writers
versed blade
Thatโs pretty cool
sick sentinel
I am not doing anything I am just a guy giving advice
versed blade
I think I have a 400ilvl shield
sick sentinel
the B value is something else though
it's the amount of damage you blocked from an attack
sick sentinel
you can solo tank HC grong though
umbral forge
100%
versed blade
Doesnโt the third beastial smash wreck you?
sick sentinel
with a 425 shield you can solo tank mythic grong as well
old zephyr
Throw is joke as warrior
sick sentinel
you spell reflect the throw dot
old zephyr
You can reflect the grab part of it
sick sentinel
so you are taking less damage from the throw compared to when you are actually tanking
versed blade
But what about the stacked bleed while stunned?
umbral forge
I honestly just said "BoP me"
versed blade
Is that log for how u solo tank grong?
versed blade
I need to learn
Thatโs so awesome
I feel like Iโm not doing enough as a prot warrior
With a 400 shield can u solo tank grong?
umbral forge
sick sentinel
LOL
umbral forge
Now we wait
ionic fern
if you were my co-tank i'd slap you.
umbral forge
Whaddya mean
sick sentinel
his guild is super bad if you recall
versed blade
Is 400 ilvl shield too low for solo tank heroic grong?
ionic fern
o.o
umbral forge
Only reason I haven't left the guild is because I have 7 IRL friends in it
And my sister is the guild master
sick sentinel
which is a very good reason
there is still high end content for you to that is not raids
you can be an mplus boy like me
umbral forge
I've technically solo tanked everything except Blockade, Conclave and start of Rastakhan
ionic fern
M+ is what keeps me in the game as well tbh. Raid is like a side activity.
versed blade
Damn Ive got so much to learn
umbral forge
Like
on Rastakhan, we move Rastakhan away from the adds and I taunt him right before scorching detonation because other tank
never realizes he has to move
https://youtu.be/7oR7aMS2Gvs
I did it in a pug cause the tank was a bit lacking.
Pretty sure this is not.. the preferable way to tank 1st phase of Rastakhan
autumn cosmos
Should I run with double Deafening Crash over 1 with a Meticulous Scheming? :>
umbral forge
I'd say so.
autumn cosmos
Oh nvm I'll just take one and put Callous Reprisal on my chest
xd
Got Desert Guardian's Breastplate from random chest
Poggers
So either I replace the Callous Reprisal on this with Deafening Crash. https://i.imgur.com/YexczMh.png
ionic fern
I would. ๐คท
ionic fern
Why not just go double DC? ๐
umbral forge
damage does
ionic fern
DPS wise it does.
autumn cosmos
Is it significant dps wise?
ionic fern
One of the better AoE traits damage wise.
hollow thorn
id go Scheming
autumn cosmos
Pretty happy with my pieces now
umbral forge
hey mwahi did you like my cheese rasta tactic?
yeah same I need better shoulder but that's it
umbral forge
Oh
Nah
the beam doesn't work like that
beam deals flat damage to everyone in the raid no matter how far they are from me
damage is decided on how far away beam target is Rastakhan
ionic fern
I was curious as to if you ment the video or not.
๐
Or if i missed something else.
umbral forge
yah video.
my co-tank essentially just went
"Oh, this isn't a lot of damage"
guild healers: "Please run away"
him: "Nah im good"
so we started doing that instead :p
old zephyr
How about benching him ?
ionic fern
Nice. I can't be on adds on Mythic. ๐ฆ My co-tank is tanking them at the start.
So i can just slap them and then i gotta leap away
umbral forge
@old zephyr
Man if that was an option
old zephyr
You know I share your feeling Man
old zephyr
If only I could bench all my guild
sick sentinel
I stopped using it but I went back to it
old zephyr
Or 50% o it at least
old zephyr
If I bench half of them we can make ร m+ group =)
But i'm not the one benching People
umbral forge
ever seen a feral leap onto the raptor that's focusing him to "Nuke him fast"?
hollow thorn
monkaS
old zephyr
Smart move indeed, but no I've never seen ร feral
Oh btw yesterday I ran wm as a healer and saw one or the worst protwar I've seen in a while.
Smallpulled everything, put second boss in the fire and didn't reflected lord waycrest. Shrugs
When I want to see cats, I invite resto druids not ferals
ionic fern
Was it me?
old zephyr
I don't think so.
Je had like 1k2 sore
ionic fern
๐ฆ
old zephyr
It was 14 only
But still how do you not know anything on a 14
Had to pull extra packs every pull so we had a good timer
quiet hornet
Maybe he had a smol shield?
ionic fern
Tbh most scores are boosted again since last week was pretty forgiving.
sick sentinel
quick unrelated question
umbral forge
I haven't found a good use for it but I'm trying
sick sentinel
wait did you actually check it somewhere?
hollow thorn
it has to be 3min+ afaik
umbral forge
2 min cd
sick sentinel
but like
boomies
if they use celestial it does reset but if they use incarn it resets
wooden radish
@ionic fern is double on use supported in the APL?
ionic fern
Every trinket except for Grong atm is used together with Avatar.
I gotta make a exception for Big red button & now that you mention it - Double on use.
@wooden radish
wooden radish
Ok
inner moth
hey guys, i got a question. i currently have a 375 sharkbait fishhook and just looted a 410 servant splinter from chest. the stam and strenght upgrade is quite noticable but im not sure since the 410 weapon doesnt have any secondaries. how important are secondaries on weapon or is the ilvl upgrade of strenght reason alone to equip the splitter? thanks in advance
inner moth
so the loss of secondaries < higher ilvl strenght
umbral forge
yes
inner moth
what happens if i lets say loot a 400 ilvl crit vers weapon in mplus
is the 410 still better or do secondaries come into plaY?
umbral forge
go ilvl then too
brisk ferry
weapon is always ilvl
@calm trout instead of Blightborne, what else are on those rings?
calm trout
CR
brisk ferry
and instead of bloodsport?
calm trout
Brace for impact
calm trout
is BFI rly > Blodsport?
brisk ferry
I dislike Bloodsport
someone should've pinned Deswind's discussion regarding BS yesterday
anytime you might need it, you're gonna need to kite anyways, therefore it serves no purpose
ionic fern
I'd take BfI over BS any day of the week. ๐คท
brisk ferry
same
calm trout
idk i just saw nerfclap playing with 2 bs
remote gale
420 Briny Barnacle = Garbage right ?
sand condor
@inner moth i simmed the splitter at 400 vs my 400 haste crit weapon it came out better
sand condor
Bs?
distant crystal
he's like 10% leech lel
ionic fern
Bloodsport.
sand condor
Dudewhat
brisk ferry
@remote gale at 420 I might actually use barnacle, depending on what else you have
sand condor
Barnacle is wack on prot
distant crystal
it is wednesday my dudes
umbral forge
sanguine is horrible as a prot warrior
calm trout
on engineering head..u get another DC if u have one for dps or u go the bloodsport there?
sand condor
Dc for dps
ionic fern
Some would, i wouldn't.
I'm stacking DPS traits.
brisk ferry
DC
remote gale
@brisk ferry 400 Prim & 410 Howler ( M+ char )
calm trout
so u also go the bomb barrage thing?
distant crystal
fun fact: engi belt enchant works even if you drop engi
calm trout
or u go for the synaptic spark thing
brisk ferry
I might use it over Howler @remote gale , try simming see what comes out on top
calm trout
Guys which engi traits u would go :D?
narrow abyss
Dc synaptic OP
distant crystal
synaptic range is a lie
i want a refund
blacksmithing is pretty solid, really depends on what items you'd be replacing
ivory light
have other good helm, just means rerolling it every week for raid since fury for raid but prot for m+ lol
both rings 400, hence thinking bout switchin to jc for 415 sockete
distant crystal
if you got 425 rings and 385 pants/gloves, the choice is clear
ionic fern
You'll get 415 rings sooner or later. ๐คท
I'd stay engi for the sweet gadgets like the knockbacks etc.
For m+
calm trout
isnt the engi trait Relational Normalization Gizmo also good :D?
distant crystal
you can keep the knockback after you drop engi :p
ionic fern
Oo, really?
ivory light
good thing I have a 425 belt.
ionic fern
Noiss. I got only one profession and it's Inscription lvl 1 just in case we don't have a rogue for Tol.
๐
ivory light
my wallet didnt like my belt,b ut i sure do lmao
distant crystal
lol i'm herb/JC
but i buy the herb book and drop it for scribe
when needed in TD
ivory light
may drop engi then, other helmet i have would allow 3x bom
distant crystal
yeah and the brez is much less valuable on a tank
distant crystal
good news is i brez'd the healer
bad news is i'm dead now
i think they should tweak the engi brez so that it's 1 second of cast time per yard of distance between you and the corpse
with a max of like 10 yards
point blank + long cast is so restrictive
tame mural
Hey, just wanted to ask for clarification :)
When shield block is up, any excess block above 100% (The increase from mastery) is wasted right?
A few expansions ago, i remember excess block chance going into crit block chance, but this was removed again right?
distant crystal
mastery just flat out increases your crit block chance
so shield block makes you always block, and you crit block the same % as usual afaik
it's not a spillover though
tame mural
Alright, cheers @distant crystal , just making sure ๐
inner moth
one last question before i gotta to back to work, vial od animated blood 410 or ancient knot 400?
guessinf i can sim@but i never know if i should sim aoe or single target
ionic fern
Jep. What Waat said.
If you block a attack then the DR calculation goes in play deciding if it's a regular block or a crit block and that's not affected by "excess block".
sand condor
vial
lofty herald
Quick Navigation or Siphoning in weapon ๐ ?
ionic fern
QUICK NAVIGATION.
calm trout
Deadly :^))
sand condor
siphoning ๐
umbral forge
Do you want the true answer or the big boy answer @lofty herald
sand condor
is a meme
distant crystal
fiery weapon
ionic fern
I will slap you @sand condor ๐
tame mural
Alright cheers. just needed to confirm because the Prot Warrior Stat Analysis didn't include stat value of mastery for when shield block was up, only for when it was not
ionic fern
MDI tanks also ran BS for a +18 key so.
sand condor
people almost caught me with that one for real a 2 days ago
the 50% leech build was.....too much
lofty herald
so i take storm of elements ye xD ?
umbral forge
@lofty herald Go Siphoning. You will play better because in the back of your head you will think "I must play good to show off to @ionic fern that siphoning is superior."
If you go quick navigation you think "damn this is nice haste", no heightened sense of play
ionic fern
sand condor
hahahaha
hollow thorn
Go Quick navi
sand condor
be a chad
distant crystal
someone in nerf's chat
umbral forge
siphoning is the chad choice
distant crystal
asked him if he runs ravager for more dps
distant crystal
lol
distant crystal
gale force is the play for ST parsing
sand condor
as a real chad would
ionic fern
All memes aside - don't go Siphoning . Go Quick Navigation @lofty herald
sand condor
casually waiting to get slapped
umbral forge
what Mwahi said
lofty herald
i was wondering about that many siphoning enchants^^
sand condor
hehehee
inner moth
ty again for ur help have fun
distant crystal
50int to shield ldo
sand condor
siphoning on our shields
umbral forge
YES
umbral forge
Shield Slam should function like Death Strike
sweet kettle
Yeah nope
distant crystal
in unrelated news i'm rocking two pieces with moment of glory now
maybe i should swap to self-reliant for that sweet between-pull self-heals
lofty herald
what do u think about the opulence tank trinket ?
sick sentinel
Ud at best get a minor heal from it
distant crystal
idk why that trait exists on plate gear
sweet kettle
@lofty herald really really good
lofty herald
im never lucky in atal ๐ฆ never get that trinket
hollow thorn
Never pick Self Reliance
strong forum
Opulence tank trinket is insanely good
frigid shale
what you think about tradewinds in m+?
distant crystal
i got 3x BoM 1x TW 2x DC now
short nest
Blood Rite or Bloodsport as azerit trait for m+?
distant crystal
don't let ur memes be dreams
frigid shale
I have in choice a 2nd iron fortress, brace for impact or tradewinds
I am playing m+ only
hollow thorn
100% IF
ionic fern
Or BfI for more ST dps.
TW is the worse of those options.
frigid shale
aight thanks, thoughts 1000 mastery sounds good ๐
hollow thorn
IF > BFI for M+, so go for that
ionic fern
๐คท
Depends what you want. If you want more ST DPS you go for BfI easy as that.
ionic fern
I mean...sure..that's your ideal i guess.
I'm running 3xBoM/2xDC/1xBfI atm for example.
frigid shale
Why 2x dc, just for more dmg?
ionic fern
Yes.
lofty herald
another question, IF or BS ?
sick sentinel
If
hollow thorn
IF
sick sentinel
Not even a choice
lofty herald
thanks
dusty pasture
is having 3 deafing crash and 3 bastion the best setup for m+?
hollow thorn
No
ionic fern
AoE DPS wise yes.
hollow thorn
3x BoM 2x IF 1x DC
dusty pasture
yeah I think im going for the aoe dps build
doesnt seem like I really need the IF
and doing more dmg is always nice
hollow thorn
IF does decent dmg and u can pull bigger
ionic fern
How on earth does not running IF make me pull smaller?
sinful vortex
๐ฟ
hollow thorn
IF actually gives u something defensively
ionic fern
You are pretty much decked out defensively when played properly considering most of the damage is physical and blockable.
dusty pasture
yeah and more dmg gives me more leech 2
umbral forge
Rhonack
high fable
Itโs not possible this patch
umbral forge
is a true man
ionic fern
๐ <-Imagine this being a slap.
shell saffron
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dusty pasture
if the enemies are dead they cant hurt u
hollow thorn
The longer you can face tank, the more dmg u can also do
ionic fern
There are almost 0 instances where you can't face tank other than bleeds/magical damage and vs those IF does nothing as well.
rancid vessel
Hello, I have a question I bet u answered many times before. Guides do not help me..^^
In dungeons, when do I use IP and when do I use Shield Block?
brisk ferry
if those arent in the guides, I dont know what is
shell saffron
you need to be able to survive the possibility of getting 3 smashes in a row
high fable
It depends if youโre using enough stamina
ionic fern
ionic fern
rancid vessel
ty xD
royal marten
Haste is haste
brisk ferry
use both
royal marten
butcher block is the crit one, isn't it?
royal marten
I use rezan + prism, works out quite well
The extra absorb seems more useful overall than crit every now and then
shell saffron
hmm ok ty both of ya
near furnace
Can someone tell me if I picked the right traits on my prot warriors azerite if I message you my armory? If not no worries. Thanks!
ionic fern
You can post your IO here and people can take a look and you'll probably get a better answer.
near furnace
Okay.
brisk ferry
also easiest way to see your azerite options is top gear in Raidbots, then snippet that
then we can see all your azerite, and their options
ionic fern
Or that. ๐คท
ivory light
3x DC/3x BoM best dps traits for meme keys?
brisk ferry
100%
strong forum
I personally dislike stacking DC but ye
gleaming rock
My current setup is 2xBoM 2xIF 2xDC
hollow thorn
3x DC for low key blasting, not for pushing
errant shuttle
@hollow thorn any idea if we can still cc the marksmen and have spotter nuke em?
strong forum
Well there's people in top 100 with 3x DC, there's people with multiple BS, there's no clear winner tbh
ionic fern
You can do 3x DC in 18-21 keys as well..probably even higher.
umbral forge
@shell saffron you can survive triple bestial with SB and IP on heroic.
strong forum
It's more down to personal play than to different traits in high keys, for example naowh has garbage gear but is 3k score
hollow thorn
Just because you can, doesnt mean you should
gleaming rock
My mistake I change it last night, 2xBS 2xDC 1if 1 Bom
ionic fern
I mean, stating that 3xDC isn't for pushing is also a false statement. ๐คท
You can push with w/e traits you want cause most of it comes down to your own play anyways.
strong forum
Exactly
gleaming rock
I could get IF on all three pieces but i would have to replce two 400 az pieces with 2 385
strong forum
As long as you have 1dc and 1bom there's nothing much you can do wrong, everything kind of works, unless you're stacking CR
Ilvl > everything
old zephyr
If you spank them harder you go faster and push higher
ionic fern
Jeah, DC being exception.
errant shuttle
anyone have a sob route they would like to share
strong forum
Wowhead / rio should have routes
errant shuttle
went into my 18 last night without a plan and it all went to shit
sick sentinel
@modern brook ๐
ionic fern
@modern brook
errant shuttle
marksmen were in sanguine and spotter was all over the place
ionic fern
๐
strong forum
Just move away :4head:
ionic fern
Jeah, this week anything with casters/shooters is a pain. Gotta LoS .
strong forum
Siege is monkagiga this week
old zephyr
Or run with druid/sham
strong forum
I mean, you can still use it 2-3 times
I've been using shield in macro with SW
But I think ima go knock back actually
strong forum
Ye... Never used belt enchants until 2 weeks ago and kinda forgot about knockback
sand condor
belt enchants?
strong forum
From engineering
sand condor
those are actually good?
modern brook
i mean
know whats better than having 0 mob control?
having a knockback on a 10min cd ๐คท
exotic spoke
Youโre not wrong
sand condor
is the abosrb shield better?
strong forum
It's not "good" but better than nothing
modern brook
๐คท
modern brook
I personally have never felt damn i need an extra 45k health every 10 mins
strong forum
I just used it with SW cuz it's free
strong forum
Remind me to put that on in like 4hrs bullfango, I'll prolly forget
modern brook
xd
ur putting a lot of faith in me
I've come to the conclusion that im shit at this game
exotic spoke
Did ML 18 last night. Fuck that place this week
strong forum
Cuz I don't have any in myself :^)
modern brook
@exotic spoke i almost burned a 10 Tol and the follow up 11 temple
exotic spoke
Oof
strong forum
Big oof
modern brook
Just absolute garbo playing tbh
umbral forge
Look at this absolute legend transmog.
sand condor
lololol
exotic spoke
We were partially stressed from raid issues
sand condor
10/10
modern brook
I wanna say i was just tired
errant shuttle
how ape was the 18 ML?? was thinking of doing friends key
modern brook
but idk man ive been just tried alot lately
strong forum
Failed ML 19 last week cuz shaman was too retarded to stand in melee during 3rd boss then wiped cuz healer went oom :^)
ML seems like dead key this week tbh, unless you're actually good at the game
unborn island
ML with sanguine is a complete Pain in my asshole
narrow abyss
Wonโt be timing anything good this week ๐
exotic spoke
I used to be good. Now Iโm decent at best
narrow abyss
Or they added more shit that eats up mental bandwidth. Iโm not sure. ๐
strong forum
Well yeah, bfa dungeons are so much worse compared to Legion dungeons
Trash is actually dangerous
narrow abyss
They broke my nameplates with 8.1.5 and now theyโre all overlapped
And I havenโt kicked anything right since
exotic spoke
Was pushing gladiator / grand Marshall from tbc- cata
As for ML it just feels bad with the shit you canโt stop with sanguine
near furnace
Sorry for the delay. Can someone help me with my azerite traits? https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Wildreaver
strong forum
Put them to stacking then :^)
near furnace
Did I pick the correct traits?
narrow abyss
Need more BOM
exotic spoke
You donโt need a second deafening crash
narrow abyss
1x BOM priority. Then as much BOM after
strong forum
Yea you can drop 1x DC for whatever else is there
narrow abyss
The rest after that is personal preference between IF/BFI and maybe BS
exotic spoke
1 DC as priority puzzle
hollow thorn
IF > BFI for M+
narrow abyss
But idk what your other option is
strong forum
1xDC > BoM > bfi / if / BS > cr
hollow thorn
Other way around for raids
narrow abyss
Usually all the pieces I looked at when I was debating shimmering haven the other traits were shit
strong forum
Shimmering having is just useless tbh
narrow abyss
Agree
strong forum
Unstable flames is better, overwhelming is best, lifespeed is great
lime mantle
Doesnโt belt enchant also scam you out of potions!
narrow abyss
I really like unstable lately
strong forum
Ye shield belt enchant doesn't trigger potion
Knock back actually idk, I think it does actually
modern brook
Ididnt pot my 10 so i can neither confirm nor deny
@near furnace assuming just those options:
BoM/DC/Earthlink
IF or BS/DC/ OP
IF/BFI/Lifespeed
2nd IF or BS is preference
BS gets more value than usual if u already have a bom piece for obvious reasons
near furnace
Okay. Sounds good. Thanks!
gleaming rock
So if I want to use one DC instead of two would running a BFI over a DC
near furnace
The issue is on helm and shoulders there isnt another good option on the ring with DC.
gleaming rock
Or I guess my real question is , is brace for impact any good in M+ over DC
modern brook
BFI is good period
IF gets more value in M+ when ur white damage is high
so ppl say use if instead
gleaming rock
how about stacking bfi?
modern brook
I stack it ๐คท
but it depends on ur traits
and what ur doing like
if ur stacking for AoE
ur making a mistake
if ur stacking cause its ur best option, ur fine
gleaming rock
The only thing I do on the prot warrior is M+ keys
old zephyr
Devastator 3 BFI 3 rf.
Memespec OP
modern brook
Let me rephrase
if u have every piece of Azerite gear at 415
and ur gearing for M+ by stacking BFI; chances are ur making a mistake
If the 415s you have push you into a 2x 3x BFI; then u can work with that
ie: its good; but not optimal
high fable
Especially if youโre running STA
inner onyx
finally finished my fury set gonna refund some fo my azerite soon and want to fix my prot azerite for m+ is there an ideal set for m+ ranging 15-20s?
or just chase traits
modern brook
1xdc --> ilvl
3x bom 1x DC is a good starting point if u want specific traits to gun for
modern brook
2if is generally the suggested follow up
inner onyx
ok
inner onyx
oh ok nice ill unscrap that
modern brook
to my knowledge
inner onyx
and prob unscrap kraken
jovial haven
just remember restoring them you will have to give up residuum for them
inner onyx
oh ye i know
it's just i have so many scrapped because i was chasing cthraxxi for fury for a while
jovial haven
how many times you try before you got it?
inner onyx
lmao
13
had terrible luck
scrapped so many 415 raid pieces and rolled pieces
prot set running on ffumes
jovial haven
lol you could have saved the headache and just bought it specifically if you had known that
jovial haven
yea, but i guess that's why it's gambling lol
inner onyx
i also had other REALLY Bad pieces the first 8 rolls, on #9 i got the 2nd best one. skyscorcher. decided to roll few more times then said fuck it and saved up 3k. kinda snapped yesterday, scrapped my prot set and rolled two more times. first one was garb second one got it.
jovial haven
ouch scrapping prot set
inner onyx
ya it feels bad now cause i wanna do keys
jovial haven
i got lucky when i went prot, the fury set i had already had good prot traits
inner onyx
ya that is lucky, i think i can build a good dungeon set next week after cache once i refund
i just need putrid path now
Putrid Path + Kraken + COL Chest. should be 1x DC, 3x BOM, 2x IF
jovial haven
i should be able to craft 415 engi helm friday after raid if we clear it all
inner onyx
ya i regret forgetting engi cause it is great for tanking it seems
but JC and alch are too good
jovial haven
well its good, mostly cus it has DC so your other pieces don't have to have it
yea all my tanks are engi and alch
astral crystal
the 'optimal' pieces are on the icy-veins guide, @inner onyx
but it'll depend on your strategy for the dungeon i think
inner onyx
@astral crystal i know i feel manki for asking
i did check it
it's just an offspec for me so and i just wanted some guidance possibly in pieces if i was going to unscrap. had an idea of what i was looking for already just figured didn't hurt to get an opinion
@jovial haven JC is hella strong
jovial haven
yea but engi is good for helm and brez if you don't have any in group and belt is decent
inner onyx
i checked marok's spreadsheet, searched previous chat in here and i get more or less that it's obviously situational and you can make some changes but i'm not looking so much to deep dive rather than just have a servicable set. been running 2 400s for a while just because i couldn't spare the chalk for fury.
@jovial haven of all the things i miss the belt the most...
quick ice
gonna work on my prot warrior. Havent played a tank in years wish me luck
sand egret
cool thing about prot is that outside of SS resets its all deterministic. no luck required! ๐
quick ice
my m+ group needs another tank
umbral forge
good
quick ice
we wall have a ton of dps alts lol
umbral forge
we will teach you
sand egret
well in that case @inner onyx you really only need to care to get as many BoM as you can while finding a single DC. the rest is whatever
inner onyx
@sand egret ty m8
i have a COL chest and kraken i can unscrap. so i figure i'll do that
then try to get the putrid path hellm
quick ice
is the icyveins guide good for us?
sand egret
im not sure what those entail for traits tbh but yeah those be the traits to aim for.
yep xav
inner onyx
there's a fury helm that i semi-want for situational reasons so figure i can just dump rolls into helm and hope for one of those.
sand egret
written by the guy in green on the right ๐
inner onyx
COL is dc + BOM, kraken is BOM and IF
sweet kettle
@quick ice both guides are good
inner onyx
putrid is BOM and IF as well
sweet kettle
Written by marok
quick ice
thanks for being so helpful guys!
sand egret
well if its got BoM its solid. the key is finding a piece with BoM + DC
strong forum
Mekka shoulders :^)
sand egret
then its pretty easy to RNG your way to 3x BoM