protection

[unborn island]

I know, but it's funnier without it 😃

[ionic fern]

Hulk..the more hate you get the stronger you are.

😂

[prime sundial]

thx again for your advices 😃

[sick sentinel]

also @prime sundial when you have 2 pieces of the same item level and both pieces have haste on it, then prefer the one that has crit

[ionic fern]

If you're really new you should check the #268491842637660160 Protection section for general information as well.

[prime sundial]

ok thx

so it's better to priorize crit than vesatile or mastery in 2 for 2nd stats of the item ?

for example is it better to have a wepaon hast / mastery or hast / crit ? (of the same ilvl)

[sick sentinel]

haste>vers for raids and heste>crit for mplus

[mossy night]

Isn't Polyvalence when you have moar than 1 valence electron?!

[sick sentinel]

?????????????

[mossy night]

You are probably correct Kaege. The parry for moar revenge procs oh haste crit is probably good for the group encounters

[brisk ferry]

polyvalance is versa

[mossy night]

and the vers for the magic damage mitagation from bosses is good

[umbral forge]

Is he using non english terms for azerite and stats @brisk ferry

[brisk ferry]

yeah they're french, I know

I speak french

[mossy night]

@brisk ferry

Definition of polyvalence

1 : having a chemical valence greater usually than two
2 : effective against, sensitive toward, or counteracting more than one toxin, microorganism, or antigen

[brisk ferry]

neat

[mossy night]

I just find it cool that we have two seperate definitions for the same word

[umbral forge]

Thats kinda dumb why doesn't he just call it versa

[mossy night]

because it's french

it literally translates to versatility in french

[umbral forge]

How's the new weekly affixes?

[opal peak]

🤢

[brisk ferry]

Grievous sucks, sanguine is sanguine

[sick sentinel]

grievous sanguine :puke:

[brisk ferry]

its a garbo week

[umbral forge]

Ah shitt

Grievous

[brisk ferry]

I dont mind it on warr, I hate it on my monk

[plucky mauve]

healer discords are freaking out as usual

[umbral forge]

Hey bro

[opal peak]

wait what @brisk ferry

[umbral forge]

How come you know French

[opal peak]

this coming week isn't bad at all on monk

ring shit out, pool orbs to help with grevious stacks

[brisk ferry]

I'm from atlantic canada, more specifically a city that is bilingual

[umbral forge]

Ooh

That's whack

[brisk ferry]

grievous is my only issue on monk

its not terrible, but its worse than warr lol

[umbral forge]

I find not falling asleep my biggest issue on Monk

[opal peak]

u have like no help on war, but a good amount of help on monk 🤔

[brisk ferry]

dunno, I've never felt Grievous on any of its weeks on my warrior

but I've also had a lot of healers being dogshit with my brewmaster

dunno how people still dont udnerstand stagger

[opal peak]

oh ima need to remember to change my belt thinger to the knock

on war

[umbral forge]

Just enter a romantix relationship with your main Healer and you will personally never die until the DPS does on grievous

[opal peak]

lol

[brisk ferry]

wife doesnt game and my kids are all still in diapers lol RIP, one day they can heal me

also all my DPS have quit in the last 2 weeks, so I am full pugging now

fucking sucks

[fresh valley]

one thing i like about pugging, is i learn more and more new tricks in the dungeons

[brisk ferry]

one thing I dislike about pugging, is having to teach an entire group about tricks in dungeons

[umbral forge]

My guild was filling 30 spots throughout HC.
Got to Mythic and we average 12 signs.

[brisk ferry]

now that I am really playing solo, I might look for an NA guild that has a decent group of M+ players

[umbral forge]

We had 4 active tanks. Now its just me.

[fresh valley]

i'd love a new guild. have credit card, will transfer

[umbral forge]

Set it up on wowprogress and wait for offers

Or go to #promotion

[brisk ferry]

good call, I should

[umbral forge]

I prefer wowprogress and waiting on offers.
Means the Officer are really invested in the health of their Guild.

Takes a while longer

[sudden axle]

As a new warrior tank, is there anything special to know about grievous? Or just take it slow to start to wait for the pug healers to get used to the damage?

[umbral forge]

If you pull more theres more mobs to kill for more victory rush healin

[sudden axle]

That's one approach i suppose

[brisk ferry]

yes, also Vampiric Speed

[sudden axle]

I doubt I even have any VS traits. Maybe one

[umbral forge]

Seriously though

Keep an eye on the healers mana and grievous stacks.
Don't LoS your Healer while kiting
Buy food and eat often.

[gleaming rock]

Anything special this week for M+?

[exotic spoke]

Frost mages are the devil this week

[umbral forge]

How so?

[exotic spoke]

Slowing mobs in sanguine on large pulls lol

[umbral forge]

Oh God

[exotic spoke]

It’s kinda sarcasm

[umbral forge]

Can't wait for rings of peace purposely keeping mobs in sanguine "oops"

[exotic spoke]

Because well on higher keys it’ll take time to get them down and on lower keys you can dps through it

[modern brook]

These are the shit weeks i get to tank

[brittle ledge]

man

[modern brook]

Cause every other tank just disapears

so if we wanna key i have to tank

:^)

[brittle ledge]

hwo do you do first boss in TD?

you get aggro on all adds?

i see dps running all over the place

[gleaming rock]

Is this a necrotic week?

[brittle ledge]

is hard to get an hold on those things

[modern brook]

@gleaming rock sanguine Grevious fort

[exotic spoke]

Overall it won’t be too bad.

Fortified weeks tend to be easier to push because they are more forgiving than tyrannical- even if tyrannical are easier

[gleaming rock]

just catching glimpses of the conversation while working

[modern brook]

@brittle ledge rogue/hunter should be misdirecting on cd in that fight

[exotic spoke]

Nah grevious sanguine

[modern brook]

your DPS should lose their ADHD and move things into ur claps if they're holding hem

[sick sentinel]

I don't like fort

[modern brook]

i fucking hate fort

[sick sentinel]

You can have 0 deaths

And still not time the key

[modern brook]

Fortified feels so over tuned TBH

[sick sentinel]

The mobs take ages to kill

[modern brook]

more tho, i just like the quad pulls weeks like last one let us do

I'll take a 4 min boss fight for that

🤷

[sick sentinel]

Same tbh

Next tyrr week is beyond bad

[exotic spoke]

It’s harder - I agree - but I feel it’s more forgiving while learning and moving to the next key

[sick sentinel]

Explosive bolst lul

[exotic spoke]

Truth

[brittle ledge]

thank you

[umbral forge]

I hate fortified & tyrannical, period.
We either get steamroll adds and hard bosses or damage sponges and paper bosses. I wish they'd just increase the base scaling.

[modern brook]

yikes explosive bolst

[split plinth]

fort is easier if you are depleteing because you are having a shitshow, tyrannical is easier if you play clean but legit don't have the dmg to do the dugneon in time imo

[modern brook]

I disagree @umbral forge

I think the affixes are an important part of M+

i just also think they're aids

[brisk ferry]

do explosives bolster ?

[modern brook]

no

they're considered totems

[umbral forge]

No no I like affixes.

[brisk ferry]

ok thank fuck lol

[modern brook]

and dont do on-deaths

[split plinth]

hahha that would be fucking hilarious

[umbral forge]

I dislike those 2 in particular cause they're flat % increases

[exotic spoke]

No but they are two affixes preventing large pulls

[gleaming rock]

How well do prot warriors deal with grevious?

[unborn island]

@brittle ledge also much easier if everyone stacks on the tank, and only the person with upheaval runs out - groups the adds up nicely

[brittle ledge]

is there any way to make the sand things easier?

[unborn island]

you should basically auto aggro them through passive cleave if you do that

[brittle ledge]

i was heroic throwing them and taunting them from disntance but man...

what a huge effort

[unborn island]

yeah, if you're stacked that will be a non-issue

They will run to the healer, who is standing on you

then you bootyclappa and they attack you

if you're doing high Tyran keys having a druid to dispel the enrage they cause on the boss is useful

[brittle ledge]

do you use vengeance talent on TD?

[unborn island]

no

[brittle ledge]

for that boss atleast?

[umbral forge]

No

[brisk ferry]

also run Crackling Thunder, gives u more range to grab em

[modern brook]

^

[brittle ledge]

what mitigation you use if upveal target you?

[modern brook]

the biggest brain on that guy

[unborn island]

the only time our talents should change is if you're memeing for 3+4 boss motherlode on super high keys and might use NS

if upheaval targets you, use IP and run away from the others

[modern brook]

^

[unborn island]

maybe it gets into 1 shot territory on like, a 23 or something

but I've never gone that high so IDK

[exotic spoke]

I swapped for safeguard on high URs just for second boss because of my group comp and giving them a damages reduction

[modern brook]

U can also time Leaps

dodge the damage completely

but it moves the boss alot

which can be awkward with the pits

[brisk ferry]

was gonna say that, you can leap at like .4 seconds to negate it

but it is very strict timing

[modern brook]

its also dependant on like

server response time

[unborn island]

ah yeah, true Rik, safeguard for some keys is used, I was thinking KR

[brisk ferry]

that too

[unborn island]

but yeah 😃

[brisk ferry]

I dont recommend trying to leap it

[modern brook]

its worth knowing and trying imo

[brisk ferry]

creates chaos cause boss runs all over the place

[brittle ledge]

aye

[unborn island]

but usually, talents don't change

[modern brook]

but like unless ur gunna get 1 shot, just fucking soak it

[brittle ledge]

it's being a mess on my runs

i am trybing to pick stuff up

[unborn island]

stacking is your friend

[brisk ferry]

I think in your case, just ask ranged to not be so far away

[modern brook]

My advice; its not ur job to pick it up; its ur dps's to bring it in

[brisk ferry]

oh that too ^

[brittle ledge]

will bear that in mind 😃

ty

[modern brook]

thats not a fight u want to move boss on

cause ur melee will get fucked by the sand pits

[brisk ferry]

healers like to run further away when they have one

always fun

[unborn island]

although I can guarantee that PUGS will ignore it if you ask them to do it 😃

[exotic spoke]

I have an easy solution

[modern brook]

Its also worth noting thats a fight u can pretty easily solo into the mid teens of keys

since u get so many VRs from the adds

[exotic spoke]

To loosecannons observation

[unborn island]

don't pug? 😛

[modern brook]

^

[exotic spoke]

Winner winner

[modern brook]

Pugs didnt want us in 8.0

they dont deserver us in 8.1

🤷

[brisk ferry]

oh I like that

lol

[exotic spoke]

Truth

I’m spiteful though

[unborn island]

that's brilliant 😃

[exotic spoke]

You don’t want us at our worst. You don’t deserve us st our best lol

[brisk ferry]

not that 8.0 was our worst, but yeah

[unborn island]

when was?

[fresh valley]

i find safeguard is invaluable to have in pugs

[lofty herald]

HEya guys, which pots are u using ? strength or bursting blood ?

[fresh valley]

can really hard carry your group at times

[exotic spoke]

It was a kick in the balls after legion

[unborn island]

str

[modern brook]

safeguard isnt more clappage though?

@lofty herald str by a mile

[unborn island]

Safeguard was kinda MVP in legion where the tyrannical bosses just 1shotted everyone

[modern brook]

bursting blood isnt even used on most DPS specs

[lofty herald]

Thanks @modern brook

[unborn island]

Oh don't mind me, just charging around saving everyone

[exotic spoke]

I would only take it in ~20+ tyrannical keys when a dps would otherwise die Ie UR

[unborn island]

tyrannical shade of Xavius

[exotic spoke]

I miss MOS

[modern brook]

My group has gotten a lot better at running keys and ive really been enjoying them lately

on the other hand if i have to explain "KICK BIG DAMAGE MOVE PLZ IT HURT FACE :^(" one more time im going to cry

[unborn island]

the first boss on MoS scared me

[fresh valley]

i just love the level coordination it takes

[unborn island]

even though I could do it easily by the end

[exotic spoke]

Just needed a cooldown up and SR worked

So SR everyother one and cycle other cooldowns

[narrow abyss]

Water Blast

🤮

[exotic spoke]

Though to be fair. I stopped pushing keys and just started selling them.

So I kinda capped out at 20/21 in legion

[fresh valley]

is the selling market really that good? i've always wanted to sell but just figured there aren't that many people that want carries

[exotic spoke]

It was in legion. Harder now. But I personally made about 3.-3.5 million gold after losing a cut in transferring the gold through tokens

[unborn island]

Yeah, I did the CD cycling thing

but after I think 7 of them, you run out

[exotic spoke]

And we didn’t even do it that much compared to other groups. Maybe 12 runs a week

[unborn island]

and SR isn't up yet 😛

even with the legs IIRC

[exotic spoke]

You had a healer usually 😜

[unborn island]

maybe I just messed timings up a couple times, so it made me think it was trickier than it was

yeah, Pugs don't seem to notice when you spam a RW asking for an external 😃

[modern brook]

Oh hand on we're talking about our gol

[unborn island]

I'll use your previous advice

[exotic spoke]

See there you go again. That’s your issue

[modern brook]

I got a screen shot

[unborn island]

historically 😃

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[modern brook]

they call me Richie Rich

[unborn island]

hah

fantasti

fantastic

[modern brook]

thats my main

for the record

[sick sentinel]

We're talking about atbt in fury

Wtb antorus set bonus

[exotic spoke]

I feel broke being down to 1 m cause I bought other blizzard games with it

Yes kaege!

[modern brook]

did u buy Sc2?

:^)

[exotic spoke]

Hearthstone expacs, bfa

And originally yes with money 😦

[signal plover]

I can't play sc2 cuz kerrigan gives me a weird boner

[upper spoke]

WA that tracks stacks of dot applied during reaping.

[exotic spoke]

Paw it’s only weird if you make it weird

[signal plover]

Should just be a debuff tracking aura

Also fair

[upper spoke]

didnt see it in the pins

[sick sentinel]

@upper spoke I have the bfa dungeon pack and it tracks it

[keen wharf]

can you spell reflect indigestion from cragmaw?

[signal plover]

No but u can leap out

[bronze lantern]

no, you can use its DR to reduce damage though. Realistically you should just leap away to fully negate it though

[sick sentinel]

You can also walk out

[bronze lantern]

walk is kinda close 🤷

[sick sentinel]

You need to pre-walk

[signal plover]

Just don't back pedal ayyy

[bronze lantern]

yup, need to already been walking and keep running

which is probably gonna cost your group uptime

[signal plover]

If only there was an instant, off GCD ability that u could save for that moment.

[sick sentinel]

Or be a member of the gonk gang

[bronze lantern]

belf only real race

[sick sentinel]

They are the masters of running away from their problems

[umbral forge]

Nightborne Master race. We can uhh... use our racial to.. slow the ticks?

[signal plover]

I legit think this is the first time I've ever see nightborne brought up as a race ever in this chat

[exotic spoke]

Stop justifying your bad decisions Jettom

[sick sentinel]

Imagine playing a melee nightbourne

[exotic spoke]

Imagine playing nightborne. Cause then you’d have to play horde

[sick sentinel]

Alliance

[astral crystal]

imagine being proud of being forced to play the only viable faction in the game when the alliance has DWARVES

big bad feels

[exotic spoke]

Hey. My <insert random fandom> is better than your <fandom> because <meaningless argument about lore, emotions, ethics>

[astral crystal]

just let faction defections be a thing already ;_;

[sick sentinel]

Hey orcs are better because SHOULDERS

[umbral forge]

@exotic spoke their animations are the best Horde side for warriors

[astral crystal]

go tauren for shoulders you fool

[ionic fern]

Don't shittalk my dwarves.

[exotic spoke]

@umbral forge - that’s like... your opinion man. And also - goblins so you’re wrong

[ionic fern]

They bestest boyes.

[astral crystal]

dwarves are gods

[exotic spoke]

If faction defections were a thing I’d probably go goblin

[ionic fern]

[astral crystal]

i'd go di dwarf in a heartbeat

[umbral forge]

Nightborne is the best Horde race for warriors, objectively.

[exotic spoke]

Check yourself

Before you wreck yourself

[brisk ferry]

I actually love the Ztroll animations

[ionic fern]

If i was horde i'd go goblin as well tbh. Increased dodge rating cause small right?

[brisk ferry]

on my monk when I press ISB + RJW his legs keep spinning even when RJW animation is over, its hilarious

[exotic spoke]

Obv mwahi and more haste + mobility

[ionic fern]

👌

Just gotta be careful not to get stuck in SoB 3rd boss pool

[umbral forge]

@brisk ferry try using devastate. Pay attention to it.

[brisk ferry]

oh?

[lime mantle]

Vial vs butcher block?

(other one is rezan's eye)

[mortal brook]

opening chest as fury and maybe getting a 2her, or opening as prot and accidentally getting a tank trinket. warrs have it hard man

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel gonk only gives 5% move if ur running @ ur enemies

gonk has no patience for bitches

gonk gang 4 [admittedly short] lyfe

[brisk ferry]

what ilvls @lime mantle

[lime mantle]

400 on both

neither have sockets

I can't titty forge or socket for shit lol

[brisk ferry]

and Rezan is 400 as well?

[lime mantle]

yep

[unborn island]

I have same setup and prefer block

I know other prefer vial

Others *

[modern brook]

oh no

I have to divulge the secret again

it doesnt fucking matter

our gearing is a joke

if ur over 405 ilvl avg, take whatever fucking trinkets u want

Unless ur a literal monkey u'll be fine

[tropic cove]

so which ones should i take then? 😦

[sick sentinel]

lol

Carrot on a stick, definitely

[autumn pendant]

this

Gotta have that mount speed for dungeon like UR or Atal

[unborn island]

I don't think there's a correct answer - it's a matter of taste 😛

[modern brook]

^ If u like onuses, use the on use

else use the proc'd stats

ELSE go with ilvl 🤷

[clear cradle]

Vial macrod to avatar for fatty dps numbers. If you aren't flexing on the meters, why even play?

[tropic cove]

^^^

[empty inlet]

trash cache didn't get leech stats

[exotic spoke]

If it doesn’t look like there are 5 dps in the run then why bother

[sand condor]

yup

flexvial+avatar 😄

[tropic cove]

/use13 /use14 /cast avatar /cast thunderclap /sleep

[ornate wagon]

ilvl is tops yeah?

my secondaries when im in top ilvl gear seem strange lol, I am Haste>Crit>Mast>Vers

[unborn island]

that's so good

the right priority 😃

[ornate wagon]

oh nice, I am a recent convert to prot from guardian

[unborn island]

crit = phatter booty

[woeful phoenix]

wanted to double check, the spreadhseet pinned was defensives only. for M+ is Deafening worth stacking and where is callous on dmg potential for M+

[fresh valley]

ayyyyye, didn't get bracers! got a 410 shield YIPPPPPEEEEEE!!!

[short nest]

ToS first boss cleave isnt reflectable anymore?

[broken roost]

So my issue with macroing avatar and vial is you lose the vial uptime during Avatar's GCD - only one global with the max str instead of 2

[unborn island]

Cyclone strike was still reflectable last night

if you're US and playing post reset they might've hotfixed it

[lucid bough]

i wouldnt mind

[fresh valley]

we really need some blue posts with all these ninja changes they're making to dungeons

[umbral forge]

Cyclone Strike isn't a guaranteed SR. You can miss the hitbox, reflect only one of them, reflect a jolt just before cyclone goes through.
@short nest did you log your attempt?

[jovial haven]

was it targetting you?

[unborn island]

How close/far away do you need to stand to ensure you get all of them?

[lime mantle]

@modern brook I said you where right which apaprently makes me a literal mentally retarded monkey.
I like block because I forget to line up avatar+vial

[unborn island]

in boss hitbox, or what?

[signal plover]

I think we've established that u need to be the target of cyclone to be able to reflect it right?

[umbral forge]

What no

the opposite.

[signal plover]

Sigh this channel sometimes

[modern brook]

@lime mantle u are

what're we talking about?

[signal plover]

I'ma just go fuckin look at logs

[umbral forge]

I am looking now

no recent logs.

[lime mantle]

@modern brook t-thanks, but sadly you're right.

[empty inlet]

the cyclone strike cannot target you

if you want to reflect

[umbral forge]

@signal plover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFhw--bauPw don't sigh me.
Here's me recording how to do it last time someone went "Hey it doesn't work anymore?"

It has to target someone other than you, and you must stand IN the hit box.

[signal plover]

I wasn't sighing u

[umbral forge]

And there's a GOOD chance you'll SR jolt instead

[signal plover]

The answer to the question has just changed several times over the past few weeks lol

[umbral forge]

No

[modern brook]

hang on

[umbral forge]

it has never changed

[modern brook]

theres no chance u'll spell reflect jolt

[umbral forge]

it has always been "it can't target you"

[modern brook]

If ur SRing jolt ur team needs to ste p the fuck up

[signal plover]

The answers in this channel to that question have changed then

[umbral forge]

yeah

[modern brook]

not kicking in M+ is just embarassing

[signal plover]

Not your answer

[umbral forge]

I honestly just save my SR for until after jolt is kicked or interrupted

[empty inlet]

https://gyazo.com/7b0d9cfe7678f23c9ba47c8fc69b7e46 my favorite boss

[umbral forge]

no I pretty much live here, I have not once seen anyone claim you must be the target.

Perhaps you were here yesterday

on April Fools

and people were memeing

[unborn island]

Yes, must be targeted by Cyclone strike, BIS stat is leech, and ravager is the best talent

[umbral forge]

^like that guy

[empty inlet]

i tried ravager in islands yesterday

was very disappointed

[signal plover]

Thanks for clarifying

[errant shuttle]

hi guys do you prefer a jes howler or knot for on use trink for M+?

[signal plover]

Nimchip did say exactly that btw, but it was yesterday so fair pt

[regal dune]

is there a way to see how much dmg is done via spell reflect? I use skada atm which doesn't track it, not sure if Details shows it

[errant shuttle]

i push around 16-18 keys

[empty inlet]

jes howler is not good for m+

[signal plover]

I think u need to check logs for SR dmg

[empty inlet]

doesn't line up with avatar very well

[errant shuttle]

hm

i see

[empty inlet]

detail shows spell reflect

[signal plover]

Kewl

[empty inlet]

you can get a weak aura to show how much damage was reflected too

[regal dune]

was just gonna ask if there was a WA for it haha

[empty inlet]

https://wago.io/SpellReflection

[regal dune]

Awesome, thx!

[mellow bridge]

What do you guys think about 400 RAGE vs 405 gore crusted butchers block for m+?

[bronze lantern]

block

[mellow bridge]

Trying to sim rn but idk how trustworthy sims are for m+ 🤷

[sick sentinel]

any tips/traits or anything that would make this week better for keys

or just generally neck myself

[dense flame]

Grab some cc classes. See what groups you can mass pull together

[charred osprey]

Make sure to pay attention to the grps health. If healer is busy healing off grevious u wont be recieving much healing

[dense flame]

Oops thought it was bolstering

[faint stump]

hello guys

[dense flame]

Just still go ham. Find a good healer, kite if your healer struggling. Dunno

[faint stump]

is it possible to make a macro for shield block that i can always click but i will only use 1 charge?

[brisk ferry]

wut

[dense flame]

Click it once, if you have extra rage spend on IP

Or revenge if you don’t need IP

[dusty prairie]

would you guys say Brace for Impact x3, Iron Fortress x2 and 1 DC to be the best defensively?

or is having at least 1 BoM for the extra IP every 45~ seconds be nice to have

[unborn island]

You need a DC

I assume you meant that instead of TC?

[dusty prairie]

ah yes

[covert cypress]

Is prot warrior the best tank rn for M+?

[dusty prairie]

i meant DC

my bad

for some reason i thought it was thundering crash

no idea why

[edgy linden]

a well played one yes a bad warrior is still a bad tank

[unborn island]

@dusty prairie it would be a reasonable name for the trait :)

[umbral forge]

my group can't get past Heartsbane Triad in a +10 wtf.

[timber nest]

What you guys thinks do more damage, triple DC or 1 DC and 2 Tc?

[exotic spoke]

Odd question here regarding m+ comps and opinions. I’ve said I have an odd comp - DH, Frost mage, spriest, rdruid, prot warrior.

Mage is looking at swapping after tier / season for raid / M+ pushing.

Other than rogue - because fuck that’s obvious - what other classes would be top contenders to fill out this comp?

Ele shaman / unholy / anything else?

[timber nest]

That’s ur, boomy on necrotic weeks

[exotic spoke]

Andrew, I personally don’t like stacking DC. However you can sim your character for dps

[timber nest]

@exotic spoke currently just trying to push out dps for mythic farm.

[exotic spoke]

Mythic BoD? Eh, I dunno. I’d sim it honestly

[timber nest]

Ya mythic BOD

All bosses are pretty easy except for how I do mekkatorque

[exotic spoke]

I don’t disagree. Currently 5/9 with two days a week. Tanking wise not hard at all.

[sick sentinel]

Guys, I finally got rezans 425 socket indestructible

[chilly brook]

Imo Mythic raiding itself isn’t super hard

[celest gate]

How big of a difference is there between having triple BoM and one?

[sick sentinel]

Very big

[chilly brook]

It’s literally down to how dumb is everyone around you

[celest gate]

Azerite gods have been unkind to me

[chilly brook]

@celest gate 3x the AP bonus vs only one stack

Soooooo

[sick sentinel]

Think of it like the warlock trait that was nerfed

One was strong, three makes it unbelievable op

[celest gate]

How much are you guys hitting dps wise on a reap?

[sick sentinel]

If everything aligned well, anywhere bewteen 40-100k

[chilly brook]

TBH you should be able to hit 40k without BoM on reaping

[celest gate]

I usually hit 120s

I have the underrot strength on use though

And depends on rezan trinket proc

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I hit over 100k in Uldir trash back in the day

[sick sentinel]

Damn, Griff with the secret tech, doing uldir

[chilly brook]

Yeet

But it was when it was current lmao

Now I just don’t touch the game, which is winning in and of itself

[celest gate]

The new azerite I got had iron fortress and the shield slams trait

[chilly brook]

That’s not bad

[sick sentinel]

But yeah I got my indestructible 425 socket rezans

[brisk ferry]

grats dude wow

[celest gate]

Cache roll?

[sick sentinel]

Yea

[celest gate]

Ez clap

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[exotic spoke]

Grats nerd rage

[sick sentinel]

Mhm

[wooden radish]

indestructible rezan --- an item that doesn't have durability 😆

that could have been leech kappa

[exotic spoke]

Mmhmm

[empty inlet]

wtb indestructible shield

so i can save money

thxs

[exotic spoke]

God yes please

[sick sentinel]

I was wondering how long it's take for someone to catch on

[exotic spoke]

I use my blacksmithing tools on that every hour

It’s still a 425

[sick sentinel]

I'm liking there's no way people think a trinket can be indestructible

But yeah 425 baby

[exotic spoke]

So, going to divert conversation from your stupid (good) trinket

[chilly brook]

It’s a stupid trinket

xD

Don’t make him feel good 😜

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[exotic spoke]

Other than rogue, any recommendations on good complementary spec for m+ for DH, spriest, rdruid, prot war?

It’s a stupid trinket. And a stupid good trinket. Hence the (good)

[chilly brook]

Boomy

[fresh valley]

I love having a boomie in my group

[sick sentinel]

Boom or ele

[fresh valley]

trees, knockbacks, roots, brez's,

[chilly brook]

Boomy would be really good imo

[fresh valley]

ele works great too

[chilly brook]

Maybe mage

[exotic spoke]

He was frost mage and thinking of swapping.

We’re throwing out ideas and want to make sure we didn’t miss any. Unholy, ele, rogue are what we’ve said so far

[chilly brook]

TBH I’d make the priest reroll 😜

Unholy isn’t bad either

[exotic spoke]

Yeah not happening lol.

[chilly brook]

Boomy would be my first choice though

[exotic spoke]

We do the best we can - hoping to complete a 20 on time

[chilly brook]

Plenty of utility

Decent damage

Nice off heals

[exotic spoke]

This week. Couldn’t play much the past two weeks because our schedules didn’t mesh.

[fresh valley]

you can plan pulls around trees/incarn

[chilly brook]

I was considering rerolling boomy to see if a role swap would change my enjoyment of the game before I decided to just cut the sub

[exotic spoke]

Boomie isn’t bad. And that’s what he’s doing - trying things out prior to next season and waiting for more info on affix / nerf / buffs

The other difficulty is swapping him in on mythic raids.

As we all play the same toons we raid with. So ranged to melee is harder than ranged to ranged

Boomie definitely slipped my mind. Thanks!

[chilly brook]

I never understood how people struggled to pick up melee since everything is instant and you can move while doing it all

[gilded nymph]

coz range are afk half fight

[exotic spoke]

That isn’t my concern. My concern is not having a mythic raid stacked with melee but trying to keep it balanced

Since some fights are remarkably more difficult if you have shitty comps. See mythic Fetid for melee heavy groups

[sick sentinel]

Whaaa, no

It was easy for melee

[chilly brook]

Not on intermission

[exotic spoke]

Do I sense a little sarcasm there intensenerdrage

[chilly brook]

Mythic Mythrax tho 🙃

Ez clap for melee after the nerf lmao

[sick sentinel]

Sarcasm or hatred of remembering the nights we had more melee then range

U choose

[exotic spoke]

Why not both?

[sick sentinel]

My window is right next to me I will jump

[exotic spoke]

Can I have your trinket?

[sick sentinel]

The only thing that saved that boss from being a fucking pos was the monk who could reset it the moment shit went crazy

I'll donate it to the discord

[exotic spoke]

Dibs

But overall yeah - fuck uldir. I honestly want a raid like tomb of sargeras again.

But probably not for the reason most people think

[sick sentinel]

I barely remember ToS

Except the night sisters

[celest gate]

I liked nighthold with being able to choose boss order

[sick sentinel]

Cause of course u had the guy

I started raiding seriously with ToS but what little I did, I did appreciate NH for it so freedom of boss selection

It's why I love AD/Fh so much, because while the usual bosses die first, u can switch it up

Like u can leave the captain fight for last if u wanted

[exotic spoke]

I liked TOS cause I could become guldan and kill the fuckers who were wiping us / afks during trash / whomever I was given gold to kill.

At one point we worked it out so that I’d kill a person and another officer would be waiting back where they respawndd to kill them again

I hated nighthokd. Too much magic damage and I had shit legendaries during that time

Also I may have killed myself by leaping over the night well and then our priests kept trying to kill me with life grip

[sick sentinel]

I was lucky as shit because my first two leggos we're gloves/wrist

Wait no gloves/belt

Not counting trinkets cause fuck kiljaden

[exotic spoke]

I got bracers last. Literally last out of the prot / generic ones

[empty inlet]

Last boss heal trinket was so good in tos

[sick sentinel]

The first leggos on EVERY TOON

[exotic spoke]

I got prydaz first

[empty inlet]

Prydaz wasnt that bad 😬

[exotic spoke]

😦 it still hurts. It wasn’t bad after it was buffed but it was at first lol

[chilly brook]

I want an expansion like Wrath again

[empty inlet]

Fury warrior actually did damage in tos 😭

Legion *

[chilly brook]

Fury did hella damage in Antorus

[empty inlet]

Where execute actually did somthing

[chilly brook]

Fuck

I miss legion

[exotic spoke]

I did 1.3 or 1.4M hps on a fight in antorus. Beat every healer

[chilly brook]

I actually wanted to do keys in legion

[empty inlet]

Arms was fun in tos

[chilly brook]

Dungeons weren’t a huge pain in the ass

[wheat iron]

Regardless of Performance I think Arms is still fun.

[exotic spoke]

I wonder if I still have that parse screenshot lol. It was stupid - on hounds.

Off tank died, got rezzed, died again about 45 seconds later, and I had to solo tank them for most of the fight.

Healers bombing heals on me, inspiring presence topping off the raid, bracers and IP for me

[chilly brook]

I’m one of the weird people that likes arms

[exotic spoke]

I don’t like the feeling of holding back the raid is all

[chilly brook]

If you have me on DPS I’m already holding the raid back xD

[exotic spoke]

Truth.

[modern brook]

ur only weird for liking arms if u like FR

cause FR was def the most fun arms has ever been

[chilly brook]

FR?

[modern brook]

focused rage

early night hold

[chilly brook]

Oh god

That trait can die

[modern brook]

nah it was sick

[chilly brook]

Talent*

[modern brook]

hit the fantasy perfect imo

like fury is a crazy guy who just flails and prot isnt a dps so they're just mad at their team

but like arms was always about being tactically angry

And fr was that

like

i see it, my opening to be angry

--> 17m crit

at level 108

[chilly brook]

Imo they need to buff rend a little bit and make it baseline

It’d be such an easy way to bring arms more in line with fury

[sick sentinel]

Fr was like

110 apm

[chilly brook]

I see Arms as the patient blademaster

[modern brook]

Arms is a dot class

its like affliction but with swords

what is blade storm if not Seed of Corruption?

honestly

[solid chasm]

2nd deafening crash or 2nd bastion of might?

[modern brook]

2nd bom

[chilly brook]

BoM

[solid chasm]

thanks 😃

[honest iron]

just got a 425 big red button, for +17-+19s should I drop my 400 opulence trinket or 405 rezans? or should I not even use it since there's no secondaries?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

that's a toughie

because im inclined to say dont use it

[honest iron]

thats what I was thinking

[lusty grotto]

but the thing is, there's some defensiveness to be gained by the passive str

as well as dps

[chilly brook]

I’d use it on single target if you’re trying to parse

[honest iron]

nah just trying to keep pushing higher keys

[lusty grotto]

do a top gear on raidbots and see if its better for dps

[honest iron]

just came back, dont raid at all besides pug heroics for breaths

[chilly brook]

So for all you Division guys out there, I got a CTAR-21 last night that has a passive 10% increase to ROF as well as another 25% ROF for the first half of the mag. This thing is like over 1000 RPM

[modern brook]

but can it reflect spells?

[lusty grotto]

425 is almost 100 str more than a 405

[chilly brook]

No but my shield can xD

[honest iron]

isnt the only defensive value of str the parry though which is pretty lackluster?

[chilly brook]

No

[lusty grotto]

it also increases IP indirectly

[honest iron]

ahh

[modern brook]

Str == more AP == higher IP

[chilly brook]

Str=more armors

And HP

looking at you Vanguard

And on the topic of parry, it’s really good just inconsistent

[spare epoch]

how valuable is leech? got a 405 ring vs a 395 with leech

both has haste versa

[sick sentinel]

use the 405

[lusty grotto]

a leech question!

[undone sun]

definitely not that valuable

[lusty grotto]

lmao

and to think we were done with them

[spare epoch]

Sorry if asked a lot before, new here but should have searched for it

[lusty grotto]

no need to be sorry about asking questions

[undone sun]

buckle up, because they'll never end @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

leech questions tho

yeah 😦

at least theyre not as frequent this week

[chilly brook]

We just need a pin

[jovial haven]

this week just started really chip, so those questions will pile up in a couple days lol

[honest iron]

so swapping out the rezans for the big red button i'd get 173 dps but lose the haste for more rage/sb -- think that's worth?

[jovial haven]

hmmm, which is worse big red button or fang?

[honest iron]

from what I've read fang sucks since you can't block or anything during the cast

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t

[empty inlet]

Do a pull

[chilly brook]

173dps is so negligible

Fang was good for one day this expansion

And was quickly nerfed into oblivion

[empty inlet]

Same pull which ever do more dig take it

[honest iron]

well thanks for the help boys

appreciate it 👍

[chilly brook]

👌🏻

[lusty grotto]

if i had to pick id pick red button over fang

only because you cant fucking move with fang as a warrior

(or block/parry/dodge, as they said)

[chilly brook]

I’d just scrap the fang lmao

Literally most worthless trinket

Like literally no joke, it was only good for a day when they buffed it and then nerfed it the next.

[empty inlet]

Keep for if they buff 🐹

[chilly brook]

It’s been months

I don’t think they’re gonna touch it again

[potent anvil]

attempted a wc 22 with 2 bloodsport traits. no amount of bloodsport traits saves you from fortified captains and guards. back to deafening crash x3

[sick sentinel]

was literally just staring at my traits considering trying bloodsport lol

[jade holly]

Do you just shroud them and move on

😬

[potent anvil]

the fact that the healer was literally pumping regrowths non-stop into me makes me think bloodsport doesnt do anything lol. you just have to kite. and leech + kiting is 🤔

[opal peak]

u can kite and still clap tho

[potent anvil]

right, but the healer is still putting in the same amount of GCDs into you. bloodsport while kiting doesnt do anything for you. versus just having more dps output traits

which is why during the mdi, it made no sense for prot warrs to go leech/bloodsport.

[lucid bough]

they were not doing 22s on mdi

and they were timing fast possible

not finishing on time

[potent anvil]

my point was, it doesnt translate well into higher keys as well

[fresh valley]

I'm giving 2x bloodsport a try because i'm tired of getting shredded from casters

[opal peak]

i mean nerf normally runs bloodsport on live as well - it's just straight up more damage absorb

[lucid bough]

casters arent really the problem because well u can kick and cc most

all top ranked tanks

[opal peak]

even if healer puts as many gcd's onto u

[lucid bough]

run 2 bs

and make sense for those type of keys

[fresh valley]

you can't interupt/stun every water bolt when you're doing big pulls in shrine

[potent anvil]

the world 2nd tank runs triple bom/dc

[fresh valley]

esepecially when you're pulling spiritualists as well, gotta save interupts for the heals

[potent anvil]

im pushing into the 23 range and i still dont feel like i need bloodsport

or leech

[empty inlet]

What about seducted

The one that gives you crit

[potent anvil]

if the goal is timing, then dps matters. if you need to live, you kite. and when you kite then dps traits > defensive traits at that point

[lucid bough]

i like BS on those keys, i would not trade for 300 more damage - before variab - on my TC

105-100k IP when I press IP after avatar? yes please

110*

I feel confortable

[potent anvil]

All I'm saying, you're gonna be forced to kite some pulls and BS won't do you any good. The healer is still going to use the same amount of GCDs put into you anyway even when actively tanking. The only way to reduce it is to kill faster or kite.

[lucid bough]

idk, mb im wrong

[potent anvil]

My IP hits around 79k-80k with no BS and that's plenty for me.

[daring marlin]

hellyeahbrother

[potent anvil]

BS does have its uses though, but some fortified trash it just doesnt make sense to me imo.

[celest gate]

Des what ilvl are you? Jw

[potent anvil]

419 equipped

420 if i want to use my dps trinket, but thats mostly for tyran

[empty inlet]

VAPENATION

[mental scarab]

419? Monster 😂

[ebon hound]

A unit of considerable size

[brisk ferry]

BDE

[empty inlet]

is using shield wall without anything good in dungeon

or should i just shield block as soon as it comes out /shrug

[versed blade]

What’s better a 415 chest with Brace for Impact and Blood sport. Or 405 chest wth BoM and Deafening crash

I have deafening crash on shoulders already

[empty inlet]

^ are you me

[brisk ferry]

if you have DC, use the 415s

[empty inlet]

i just want the chest from champion BibleThump

[brisk ferry]

shield wall is one of your CDs, use it when you need it?

[high fable]

Are shields worth?

[empty inlet]

yes shield wall is the only cd i have up

[brisk ferry]

shields are good

[empty inlet]

is it enough to not take too much damage

[brisk ferry]

lol

[potent anvil]

The only wrong way of using shield wall is not using it at all when it could have saved you otherwise.

[empty inlet]

or should i use shield block

[high fable]

Over swords though?

[brisk ferry]

context is very important to that question

[empty inlet]

i meant like after rotating shield block charges and last stance

[brisk ferry]

if you expect incomngi damage to be rough, then yes definitely use it

[empty inlet]

i only have shield wall but after like couple second my shield block comes up

should i use shield block

[high fable]

Like damage wise

[potent anvil]

depends on what the incoming damage looks like. you can use shield wall to bridge mitigation gaps

[empty inlet]

i sometimes run into that problem on tyranical keys and some trash that lives long

[brisk ferry]

if your question is if we can out-dps our dps specs as prot, then sometimes yes? @high fable

[opal peak]

ya it's a big "it depends"

[versed blade]

So a 415 Azerite peice is always better than. 405 no matter the traits?

[brisk ferry]

no, you said you already had DC

[high fable]

In the context of stamina though

[brisk ferry]

stam isn't a stat

its jsut free, on gear

[high fable]

?

[brisk ferry]

whatever you're wondering regarding stamina, the answer is it doesnt matter

[versed blade]

I have a different set of shoulders I could change out instead that has IF and BFI

[high fable]

I don’t follow

[versed blade]

That would make the traits better

[brisk ferry]

think there's 3 super broad questions going on at once here lmao

[high fable]

I’m referring to shields

[opal peak]

the block

heck stam

[brisk ferry]

shields

[opal peak]

block is the big part

[brisk ferry]

ilvl > all

[versed blade]

Ok

[opal peak]

and u get more block from higher ilvl

on shield

[empty inlet]

azerite piece dont give block

[versed blade]

Not even for trinkets?

[brisk ferry]

holy fuck LOL

[high fable]

Regardless of?

[brisk ferry]

are you 3 trolls at once?!?

[empty inlet]

🔪

[opal peak]

that's y i said "on shield"

[sick sentinel]

heya guys, i havent tanked on my warrior since wotlk.. would you rather go 2x BoM or 1x BoM + 1x BfI for M+?? (10ish, trying to push)

[brisk ferry]

ilvl > all, in regards to shields

[opal peak]

2 BOM

[brisk ferry]

Qual as many BoM as u can get for M+

[high fable]

I’m so confused

[opal peak]

about what

[brisk ferry]

then ask an actual question

[sick sentinel]

thnx guys

[fresh valley]

look y'all, when in doubt:

[high fable]

?

[opal peak]

the only time where ilvl doesn't win is rings with socket and maybe back with socket - but that still goes under "more secondary stats the better"

[brisk ferry]

your original question was "are shields worth?"

try again

[high fable]

Right

[opal peak]

stam doesn't really join the consideration

secondaries are more important

ilvl is important on shield bc of the secondary stats + the block and armor

and u dont get block anywhere else

[exotic spoke]

More stats > fewer better stats

[high fable]

Okay but?

[exotic spoke]

But what?

[empty inlet]

is armor really that useful though

[versed blade]

I was asking for the azerite peices because even though I lose ilvl I thought the traits from the top ring all the way down were better

[brisk ferry]

he's gotta be trolling

[empty inlet]

i take 0 damage when i have shield block and i take shit ton when i dont

i dont thikn armor matters that much

[high fable]

?

[lapis topaz]

you'd take shitton plus without armor or shield block so...

[exotic spoke]

Sean the only time you take a lower level Azerite piece is for DC and only by up to 15 - even that is cutting it

[opal peak]

sean, pretty sure only reason to take 405 azerite over 415 is if the 405 has DC and it's the only DC you could get

[high fable]

Then what’s the point...?

[versed blade]

Oh wow I didn’t think that ilvl with those matter that much compared to traits

[sick sentinel]

1x IF + 1x tradewinds > 2x IF ?

[versed blade]

If 15 ilvl that is

[brisk ferry]

2x IF

[exotic spoke]

What are you asking Wsg?

[sick sentinel]

what stacks? just the block?

[brisk ferry]

Riki don't feed him

[opal peak]

there's a diff in trait value, but all prot traits are decent enough to prevent ilvl drop aside from DC when u dont have other DC

[exotic spoke]

I just opened my phone back up- sorry didn’t know they’ve been like that

[sick sentinel]

YO

[opal peak]

YO

[sick sentinel]

if you do the nest strat

on first boss freehold

[opal peak]

its kaege, every1 run

what nest strat

[minor vapor]

Does Iron fortress stack?

[brisk ferry]

it's our favorite prot fury warrior

[sick sentinel]

where the melee go in the nest and the shot misses

[exotic spoke]

Yes Ntense

[opal peak]

ok continue ur thought

[sick sentinel]

should I go in there as well?

[opal peak]

no clue, i just kite now that blizz hecked it

[sick sentinel]

that's the thing you don't kite

you just tank him there

[opal peak]

tho idk what that looks like without looking at the boss thinger

[sick sentinel]

what stacks on IF? just the block chance? the returned dmg? or both?

all

[opal peak]

from what I understood u stood next to the planks of wood inside the ring and the melee stnad outside

[sick sentinel]

#268491842637660160 @sick sentinel

sweet

[opal peak]

but haven't done anything specific since they fixed the outside the ring thing

[versed blade]

Do the traits below the first 2 outer rings not really matter? I’ve wondering how much gemhide, resonant protection and the 2 mid ring ones that are shields or armor buffs when u take 10% hit(can’t remember the names) actually matter

[undone sun]

they matter more than nothing at all

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel thnx, but my questions arent answered in there xD lmao 😉

[versed blade]

Yeah but I mean if u have 2 peices with the same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

When it comes to choosing bewteen two azerite gear pieces with different traits, focus mainly on the the first and second ring

The center and inner doesn't matter

[exotic spoke]

Inner traits are tie breakers that’s about it

[versed blade]

Alright ty

[sick sentinel]

Unless the first two rings have the same traits, u should be focusing on getting the best two ring ring traits

Otherwise look at the last two rings as complimentary

[versed blade]

I’ve been checking out bloodsport and I thought it was decent but you guys say otherwise?

[sick sentinel]

Its not good compared to the other prot specific traits

[bright mantle]

Might be a dumb question, but do the prisoners Jes Howlis releases also drop sanguine? Never dealt with this affix before and got a 10+ TD, trying to see what I’m getting into

[sick sentinel]

If they are elite 99% chance they do

[lapis topaz]

Intercept (with Safeguard) has no minimum range, and isn't on GCD, right? I've been trying to use it with a focus macro (set to my co-tank) on Grong fights during the last cast of the necrotic combo (so before my co-tank is picked up), but it doesn't seem to trigger reliably. Has anyone else had issues?

[sick sentinel]

@bright mantle in reality u should be killing them anyways before doing jes

[junior hazel]

Quick nav is the only enchant we want right?

[sick sentinel]

@lapis topaz no safeguard has no gcd/range min

Yes @junior hazel

[dusty tusk]

If you open them before boss, they do

If boss opens them, it counts as part of the encounter and wont drop

[ionic fern]

Doing SoB be like

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[high fable]

Right

?

[bright mantle]

Okay thank you

[dusty tusk]

Unless you need the %, i would skip them

Cannon is too effective

[brisk ferry]

there's no skipping the guys in the cages

either during Jes encounter, or before

on his floor*

[dusty tusk]

Yea, you just cleave them down during boss

[sick sentinel]

Which is dangerous if they drop sanguine

[dusty tusk]

They dont when boss opens

[exotic spoke]

I tend to do them with the rest of the trash on the floor.

[sick sentinel]

Same

[versed blade]

Is callous reprisal > bloodsport

[sick sentinel]

Eh

I'd rate CR over BS personally

[high fable]

I think so

[versed blade]

How bout blood rite over bloodsport?

[high fable]

Hmm

[versed blade]

Also is azerite veins actually good? Over say heed my call?

[exotic spoke]

Sean, check out icy veins. A really solid write up of Azerite trait rankings

[versed blade]

Blood rite isn’t in that guide

I can’t tell if blood rite is actually good with 799 haste or if bloodsport is better

[sick sentinel]

But everyone rates traits differently, like how @lusty grotto loves leech and Bloodsport gives a good amount of leech

So he's an expert in the leech build

[lapis topaz]

Holy crap, it pay to read guides wth, Spell Reflect mitigates the damage of bestial throw?! So weird. Such a weird weird spell.

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[lapis topaz]

that's gonna make my healers pretty happy I hope

[versed blade]

Best 2 trinkets for m+?

[versed blade]

That’s for trinkets too wicked?

[jovial haven]

yes the only time you decide is if they're same ilvl

[versed blade]

Even with that diamond shield trinket?

I thought that one would be op. As fuck

[exotic spoke]

It is the best survivability trinket for its Ilvl

[jovial haven]

but again there you see it...ilvl

just hope you don't get fang or sporepods lol

[versed blade]

I mean my highest ilvl trinket is the lingering sporepods at 420 but u guys said it’s crap

I have both those haha

[jovial haven]

try to get different ones lol

[versed blade]

I got diamond 385 with a socket

[stone imp]

Trinkets are not ilvl alone.

[sick sentinel]

With this week sporepods might be usefuk

[versed blade]

That’s what I thought talgryf

[stone imp]

Some trinkets are objectively worse and ilvl doesn't make up for it.

[jovial haven]

think you had it right before @sick sentinel with usefuk

[versed blade]

Like I have a 405 jes howler and a 380 vial of animated blood

[stone imp]

Sporepods. Bandages if you need offense. You can sim a bandages vs an eye and it won't catch up even with 20 ilvls.

[sick sentinel]

@jovial haven lol

[exotic spoke]

That’s only for dps talgryf not survivability

[stone imp]

The Sim part sure. Even for survivability you may well benefit from other trinkets more.

[exotic spoke]

That’s said - eye is really good lol and you’re right

[inland mesa]

Diamond, rezan, gore, vial even jes are better than sporepods and other junker trinkets

I'm running 420 diamond, 410 rezan atm, since gore never wants to wf D:

[stone imp]

The prism is strong defensively. The other strictly defensive ones are pretty bad.

[inland mesa]

in a funnel, offensive is gore and vial

[stone imp]

Butchers block and eye are both quite good. There is rng but they do provide both offense and defense.

You can feel the difference when eye procs. It's a noticeable trinket.

[inland mesa]

I have a 395 eye I used for a bit, but felt it always proc'd at times i wasn't in truly in danger and then was down when I needed it

[stone imp]

In general it's probably worth the time to try for eye it you're looking for a good trinket. And you'd probably take it over a handful other higher ilvl trinkets

[sick sentinel]

so we tried nest stat

where you tank him and the melee stand over the plank

we tried it in m0 and it worked

I tried in the mplus

he reset

[stone imp]

What FH?

[sick sentinel]

yeah first boss fh

[stone imp]

It's just a super tight tolerance.

Or maybe buggy.

[sick sentinel]

you could get him all the way in the back before

[stone imp]

Yep

They fixed that last week or something

[sick sentinel]

yeah I know that

[daring marlin]

@stone imp What would be a strictly defensive trinket in your mind?

[sick sentinel]

but like

we tried it in the m0 and it worked

that's my problem

[stone imp]

Yeah. I mean I've heard you can still do it in m+, it's just a narrower margin.

[daring marlin]

I hate that there isn't a relinquished vendor because the idea of a high ilvl veiled eye is amazing to me.

I think that's the only oh-shit trinket I'd ever want this expac. Short CD with an incredible effect.

[stone imp]

Prism is probably your best bet. Its pretty darned consistent.

[sick sentinel]

imagine not using double stat trinkets

[daring marlin]

Trinkets this expac are such dogshit.

[sand egret]

trinkets this expac was an active response to trinkets in legion

that being said, it's not the worst state. better than stat sticks imho

[daring marlin]

I mean

[stone imp]

I mean the current proc stat stick ones like eye and block are a good balance. No Diimas or anything

[daring marlin]

you're not wrong there

[sand egret]

certainly better then Draught

[sick sentinel]

idk I love my gore block

[sand egret]

I'm ok with this round of them

[sick sentinel]

and my rezans

[sand egret]

strong procs are cool

[daring marlin]

god

DIIMAS' WAS SO FUCKING COOL

[modern brook]

better than stat sticks - flash backs to arcano crystals

[daring marlin]

I loved that thing so much

[sick sentinel]

pls no arcano

pls no

[sand egret]

like the Knot is a great one

tiny CD

[modern brook]

arcano-haft

:^)

[sand egret]

noticeable crit

[modern brook]

when u die u dont and also heres a 2nd heart of azeroth

[sand egret]

I don't have it but it but I like R.A.G.E.

[modern brook]

god tier trinker

[daring marlin]

How is that not an emoji already

[sand egret]

I think they just went really gunshy on creative tank trinkets

[daring marlin]

It's okay. Some neat trinkets will come at the end of BFA.

[sand egret]

starting to see them get more creative again with Crucible

[daring marlin]

usually what happens

ala diimas

:^)

[sand egret]

aoe health steal shenanigans

[stone imp]

Diimas and memento. Good times.

[daring marlin]

I mean

not even like

they don't have to do anything crazy either

I like trinkets that also turn you into something

like DBW from ICC

[fresh valley]

these are the trinkets I have, and they all sim within 500 dps of each other, with vial/rezan's being best combo for damage

so it's really just a matter of personal feel and your playstyle

[sick sentinel]

don't use str trinket

use haste trinket

[junior hazel]

For food buff is primary stat better than haste?

[fresh valley]

yeah i've been meaning to replace my str gem, just been lazy

[sand egret]

@daring marlin counter argument: trinkets that alter your appearance without your explicit control are pretty divisive. After all, I spent X time and investment into my character's appearance. I don't want to turn into a stock Vykrul model 30% of the time in combat.

[daring marlin]

🤔

[sand egret]

just stuff to think about when designing 😃

[chilly brook]

@sand egret bro that trinket from ICC was badass get outta here

[sand egret]

i hated it

for the reason above

[chilly brook]

At least you know when your trinket is activated without needing to see the buff

[sand egret]

being forced into shitty, limited animation rigs when I worked on my tmog all expac was not fun

i have WA's for that

[chilly brook]

Don’t need a WA if the game communicates it to you visually

[sand egret]

does it need to?

[chilly brook]

Imo yes

[sand egret]

current trinkets do, the question is not yes or no but by how much

rezan's has an effect, so does gore

[modern brook]

blade song has sucha big brain dude i love ur opinions

big bladesong opinion fan, tbh