prot likes stats ==> prot likes stat sticks
#protection
modern brook
lusty grotto
rezan
modern brook
howler
modern brook
its a 410 howler dude
thorn fiber
@sand egret I'm not balancing much at all right now just came back with my warrior about 2 weeks ago. I see alot of other warriors with alot less and I can't get the haste drops. I would like to push more dps via Crit haste. Just my luck.
long tinsel
Over sporepods yes
dawn shuttle
if not just rock the haste
lusty grotto
410 howler? oh ok
neon tangle
@gleaming rock 410 > 390
gleaming rock
the howler I got is 395 with a socket
dawn shuttle
Rezan's Over howler any day..... Howler is a Vers on use i'd say use it if youre survivability is hindering in your keys if not take your MAIN STAT.
sand egret
@thorn fiber you're going to be able to push way more dps working on your play than you will simply getting more haste/crit. Vers gives quite a bit of dps too... (sorry other guy)
shiiit
gleaming rock
would you still keep the 405 bargain trink over a 390 rezans?
dawn shuttle
You're looking at double to uptime of thunder clap vs. marginally bigger claps
sand egret
for dps obvi no, in general, i'd prob take the rezan's still
dawn shuttle
This argument would be more realistic if this was vial vs rezan but i just don't see it chief.
long tinsel
Lol
gleaming rock
I think i will equip the howler and rezans both and give them a try tonight.
woven trellis
u guys favor jes over gore crusted?
lusty grotto
no
long tinsel
No
dawn shuttle
no
sick sentinel
yes in raids
sand egret
ye----err no!
sick sentinel
no in mplus
gleaming rock
405 B.bargain 390 rezzans 395 howler with socket and the 400 that drops off the WB in darckshore
dawn shuttle
mmm
modern brook
@gleaming rock WB trinket and rezan
ebon hound
Knot baby
sand egret
this mother fucker
long tinsel
Knot
modern brook
like no question
sand egret
holdin out on us with this info
long tinsel
Knot
gleaming rock
yeah knot of ancient fury
long tinsel
Knot
gleaming rock
How so its in my armory i linked
sand egret
get that fuckin bwom shit outta there
modern brook
bwom sucks, howler isnt worth not using a 400 knot
rezan is ur other option
ezpz trinkets
sand egret
boom case closed
long tinsel
Yup
gleaming rock
so rezans and knot?
long tinsel
Yes
modern brook
rezan knot
gleaming rock
Awesome thanks.
sand egret
another job well done boys. let's do a signoff then
modern brook
💪
gleaming rock
and is there no cap on haste?
sand egret
👢 🍵 👏
sick sentinel
100%
modern brook
@gleaming rock debatable, but dont worry about it for now
long tinsel
Work on getting the prism
sand egret
100.00001%
gleaming rock
prism?
long tinsel
Opulence tinket
lusty grotto
Hey guys i just went down from 416 to 370 and got 50% haste --- literally unkillable, praise Indom and Sco
gleaming rock
oh that teink... I got that one on my DK maybe i should gank my own toon for it lol
lusty grotto
also i gotta meme these crit+haste people that take gearing tips from MDI
modern brook
😄 I gear crit haste :^)
neon tangle
sick sentinel
I have been going crit haste for weeks now
gleaming rock
so as much haste as i can handle but dont sac ilvl got it !!
long tinsel
Also macro knot with Avatar to see meme dmg
modern brook
@gleaming rock U just explained the entirety of prot gearing in 1 sentence
congratulations
modern brook
💪
dawn shuttle
Good shit boys. Another soul saved.
gleaming rock
Dont tread on me lol, like i said only been prot for a week
dawn shuttle
You're fine my guy it wasn't like that ❤
gleaming rock
I know hahaha
lusty grotto
will you come by next week to ask the same thing though?
we get lonely
we ❤ the same questions over and over
especially leech questions
modern brook
plz no
sand egret
just make sure you literally copy/paste your questions
ionic fern
I got a 370 leech item should i use it over my 415 one?
modern brook
lusty grotto
yes mwahi yes
sand egret
are you leech capped @ionic fern
ionic fern
Thank you kind SF.
modern brook
LOL
lusty grotto
👌 ✅
lusty grotto
yes
neon tangle
@dawn shuttle People overestimate haste a bit sometimes, jes sims pretty low but with 5 ilvls and a socket you'd lose a whole 74 dps over reazans, plus give a nice chunk of vers to your party
dawn shuttle
What is the leach cap
lusty grotto
i dont know taunt
modern brook
its not a thing taunt
lusty grotto
what is leach
modern brook
ur being april babooned
lusty grotto
did you mean bleach?
sand egret
bleach capped
lusty grotto
you forgot the B
sand egret
make sure you dont overwhite those whites
ionic fern
It's the only day i can troll with Leech as well.
regal topaz
How much agi should I stack for a dodge build?
ionic fern
😦
lusty grotto
agi ftw
modern brook
😬
lusty grotto
make sure you steal those trinkets
modern brook
u only can get like 200 i think
sand egret
Winds of War valuueeee
neon tangle
@regal topaz Gotta hit 102.5% total mitigation
modern brook
before u loose too much str
regal topaz
40 parry 30 dodge 42 block
lusty grotto
✅
regal topaz
How do you guys manage taunt swaps when the MT had really high vengeance ?
torpid token
ToT/Misdirect/stopped attacking the boss
gleaming rock
@lusty grotto will do, just for you though lol.
lusty grotto
<3'
dawn shuttle
u were suppossed to roll with the leach cap.....
lusty grotto
what is leach
dawn shuttle
FeelsBadBoys
undone sun
🤦
lusty grotto
i keep wondering
supple path
hey guys I got an item that makes ignore pain refresh its full value every 1 second but it's a 200 ilvl downgrade, worth!?
lusty grotto
yes
dawn shuttle
Yes
lusty grotto
all the yes censuras
supple path
old set bonuses are so wonky
undone sun
ngl, had me at the first half
undone sun
isn't it fun /s
lusty grotto
no i legit feel bad
undone sun
that's the /s, sarcasm. it's a terrible day
lusty grotto
almost like doing drugs bad
supple path
I am making a major note to self to equip that set bonus next timewalking though
sand egret
well we did help one noob today
lusty grotto
it feels good but its bad
regal topaz
I got a 385 timewarped necklace that gives better secondary then HoA. Is it worth using and not having any traits?
sand egret
my dh actually did that with his neck
lusty grotto
my ally rog too
woven trellis
do you only use IP when youd cap rage or loads of magical damage are incoming?
because the guide doesnt rly say to use that so rarely while it looked earlier like u were saying that
undone sun
said when you would rage cap, not necessarily when you already capped
woven trellis
thank u thyme
lusty grotto
you use IP to smooth any left over damage from SB/LS
modern brook
lusty grotto
or by itself on magical damage (with demo on both cases)
sick sentinel
Did you guys get your free 12 month credit reporting with Safeguard?
Still waiting on mine..
lusty grotto
lmao
modern brook
xd u got APRIL MEEMEMED
long tinsel
Bladeflurry
lusty grotto
was sad i outdps'd everyone in a +2
but unable to get invited to any higher key
tofu would be prod of the NE Night Warrior
@outer dew
regal topaz
I have a +3 you can come to, if you have 900 io
outer dew
still miss being a NE
lusty grotto
rip
outer dew
it's okay
my monk/bear are still ne
when i level my DK
to NE it goes
or maybe it becomes a dwarf
who knows
gleaming rock
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tMfkmdX7XW5fratqTnzMhJ ok swapped things around https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tMfkmdX7XW5fratqTnzMhJ
outer dew
don't understand why anyone uses dungeon slice
long tinsel
Log a dungeon
undone sun
@outer dew ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean acorn
i logged my 19 temple
ended up getting second cuz conscripts took longer thant we thought
and as @oblique garnet stated i dont use LS enough
oof
regal topaz
Wow Feral is still a spec
jade socket
sick sentinel
cuddles
lusty grotto
just dont use laser pointers on them
sand egret
biggest problem to ferals in organized content....well ya'll now what they say about herding cats.
lusty grotto
Kelade did you remembered to credit skyhold this time or nah
ocean acorn
oof
lusty grotto
lol i still remember that
gleaming rock
I play it because I prefer the complexity of feral over balance.
But I still go balance if the guild needs me to.
lusty grotto
its 2019, DH and outlaw would have a word with you
sick sentinel
we have a feral on jaina
gleaming rock
it does lack a lot of utility though
sick sentinel
feral on jaina is pgood
modern brook
its got good offe heals :^)
gleaming rock
Well off to the house, I will see how the changes feel and go from there tongiht. Thanks again for the insight ladies/gents.
open bluff
does this mean i have to spec back into anger management
stark thunder
can someone post me the stat prio for m+ pls ?
jovial haven
Ilvl>haste>everything else i believe is how it goes
dusty summit
how much ilvl a slot worth in the gear? exclude rings
jovial haven
modern brook
jovial haven
good screenshot bull
modern brook
thanks u 2
jovial haven
thanks
dusty summit
dafuq
jovial haven
ilvl is king
modern brook
ilvl is @stark thunder
stark sage
secondaries are mostly equal, and armor/stam/str is valuable
stark thunder
k thx
modern brook
sorry i pinged u soley for an epic joke
jovial haven
i actually laughed when you did that bull
modern brook
thanks man
stoic pilot
I failed my new raid trial because I used the new talent set up what gives
undone sun
🤦
modern brook
did u use Int shout onCD?
stoic pilot
They didn’t believe me when I said impending victory was good because warriors lack self sustain so u pick heals and leech build wherever you can
Yes I did
I even used shield block during last stand for 200% critical block
stoic pilot
That’s what I thought ty
woven trellis
i saw u earlier saying that 3x DC is only damage purpose, but does it improve damage a lot for real ?
supple path
Thunderclap is like 50-60% of my damage, and each trait increases my base tclap damage by like 10%
woven trellis
thats frckin a lot i dont understand why both guide and u guys dont want to take that extra damage so
supple path
Guides are from a survival pov
woven trellis
but m+ is all abt damage
dull owl
unless you die
modern brook
^
modern brook
If u have to ask "should i take extra damage or more surv" chances are u need more surv
like if u cant make that decision on ur own you a) dont know enough about the spec or b) are underheared for content
TBH
woven trellis
thats not why it works with DK at ALL, so i have a lot of difficulty to switch my mindset, it feels like im wrong but i so want to focus on dmg, emotions....
so much emotions
im so weak
sand egret
a lot of conversations in here are between warriors who have already gotten that "do you live?" requirement down. That's why there is a focus on dps, but in real talk each one of them is geared to live in the content they're doing.
astral crystal
Wtf skyhold gave up fast
primal sable
This is a serious discussion discord, no jokes allowed
astral crystal
Tru on both accounts
modern brook
:^(
sand egret
No Thyme For Jokes.
astral crystal
Kek
Speaking of shitty jokes, the blizzard April 1st notes just keep getting cringier
modern brook
@astral crystal Thats cause u keep getting older man
jovial jewel
What does taking extra damage mean. If you uses your cds right for shield block and ignore pain. Also cycling last stand and avatar, loosing an if is okay. You should have the item lvl for keys. Also fort and try have different traits that work better
I believe there is a excel in the guides.
jovial jewel
I mean use it
like on cd or right time. Not cycling cycling
like of course don’t sb and sb
It last 8 seconds
supple path
Though on like the big tree in waycrest I may personally delay an LS until after avatar is over because the extra mastery makes an exposed block window less painful.
modern brook
@supple path ur mastery doesnt do anything if u dont RNG a block though
supple path
Sure, but you're less likely to fail that RNG with 2k more mastery
jovial jewel
I use last stands on big add pulls or shield wall. if I’m not having a rough time. I shield block.
supple path
And on tree guy I ALWAYS have at least some exposed windows since I like to not use a single fire the whole fight
jovial jewel
Or depends where I’m at in the dungeon and the next projecting the next 6 pulls. Everything is situational
supple path
yeah I'll try to only expose while like full hp, with avatar up, etc.
modern brook
I just ask for barkskin 🤷
jovial jewel
^^
supple path
Check your druid privileges
modern brook
u rite, sorry
jovial jewel
Typhoon is use full
modern brook
Darkness*
jovial jewel
Engineering belts
sand condor
lusty grotto
✅
jovial jewel
From what I’m getting is that the more dps you do, the longer uptime percentage your cool downs will be up for a dungeon. Less time, longer uptime.
We depend so much on cds. Probably more than any other tank.
lusty grotto
please stop
jovial jewel
Ok
lusty grotto
no need to think out loud
jovial jewel
✅
sand egret
not to nitpick, but it's not the more dps you do. It's the more rage you spend.
woven trellis
so i went into sethralis for the first time with my new warrior
tried to reflect cyclone strike
and died
like a shit
lusty grotto
did it target you?
sand egret
welcome to the club
lusty grotto
did you take a jolt?
sand egret
gotta wiff that badboy or you cant be a true prot
lusty grotto
these things are right in the guide man
but everyone seems to screw them up every time
jovial haven
i got a good laugh out of that Blade
sand egret
the harder it is to reflect stuff the better it is for us, imho
jovial jewel
In and rng sense. The simple answer for me is knowing when to use what efficiently. Kk going back to studying
sand egret
but yeah, you ain't a prot until you proclaim "watch this" and proceed to get gibbed by Cyclone Strike
supple path
Top of the screen should read, "#protection | Cyclone Strike can only be reflected when targeting someone else. Make sure jolt doesn't hit you first."
lusty grotto
also: leech is bad and ilvl > all
undone sun
just read the spreadsheet ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
lmao
undone sun
because no one reads pins or channel topics
lusty grotto
put your stats on the spreadsheet xD
sand egret
just have a notify that triggers "Just ask about Leech inside!"
woven trellis
but what i dont understand in the guide is the 'only works if it initial cast doesnt target you' like what does they mean, it can target me not initially?
split plinth
anyone know the formulat for shieldblock cd?
sand egret
does your name pop up
supple path
The initial cast of it, as in, the person the lizard targets + faces while casting cyclone strike.
sand egret
when the targeting goes off
jovial jewel
There should be a theory craft channel so it doesn’t get crowded in here.
lusty grotto
no
undone sun
like log reviews
lusty grotto
theorycrafting is fine ere
woven trellis
the lizard doenst target during the whole cast the initial target?
split plinth
How do i c alculate shieldblock cd depending on haste?
lusty grotto
he turns to face who he's aiming
supple path
I might have been wrong on that actually, but really, it's just "is it looking at you"
woven trellis
do u mean target or face direction here
supple path
Face direction
If he turns to face someone else, good to reflect
If he keeps facing you, bad
undone sun
16 / (1 + TotalHaste) @split plinth
woven trellis
but what if he targets someone in my direction
supple path
then tell your group to not stand on the tank
woven trellis
i know that
sand egret
is it you? If not then that's the answer
woven trellis
but theorically
supple path
there's a bunch of addons and whatnot that call out if targeted I believe
jovial jewel
I’ll be back tomorrow for fort week. Learn quite a bit lol
supple path
I'm just talking the bottom of the barrel group is non-cooperative approach, which is just face direction. And if it ALL goes to shit, there are no announcements, AND the person is standing on top of you...just dodge it.
undone sun
idr, does bw or dbm not state who's gettign targeted
sand egret
I just look at my target's target 😃
supple path
Does he actually change targets on the cast? I started second guessing instantly.
ocean acorn
It might in the big warning
lusty grotto
if he faces someone in your direction, dont reflect it
exotic spoke
Temple?
lusty grotto
and curse the fucking idiot that stood beside you
ocean acorn
Risk it for the buscuit
exotic spoke
They should be on the opposite fucking side
So you know when it’s safe to do a huge fucking reflect and nuke the boss
lusty grotto
its ok nobody saw
ocean acorn
Just use the wa that tells u who is being targeted when an ability is cast
long tinsel
Lol not a true warrior unless you die from that
ocean acorn
I have never died from that
lusty grotto
not to try to reflect like a retard
lusty grotto
also Tofu and Guil
ocean acorn
Deswind test dummy
long tinsel
Every time i see this convo pop up everyone says they went in there and died trying to reflect
supple path
that's because if all of us who haven't died to it all chime up we look like jerks.
ocean acorn
U cant do it by your self cuz if it targets u u cant reflect it
lusty grotto
i heard about it from Tofu and Guil, i made damn sure i wasn't getting trolled by you know, following directions
because you don't wanna die like a moron and waste a potential 10% per cyclone (pre-nerf) on a tyrannical boss
ocean acorn
When i heard about it deswind was in here telling us
And he kept dying trying it alone
long tinsel
When i heard i didn't bother hearing the details i went right in there solo on m0 and tried to reflect it lol
exotic spoke
Yes you can die. If the other boss casts a gust or jolt inbetween
lusty grotto
i have ranged interrupt jolts as cyclones go off
woven trellis
Wracking Pain Doesn't target tank unless group is dead
oblique garnet
or you know
woven trellis
doesnt say if i can reflect it
oblique garnet
you can
woven trellis
i mean
jovial jewel
Tbh I’ve heard about temple every time I’ve checked discord lmao
exotic spoke
I just like blaming the dps. It’s a time honored tanking tradition
oblique garnet
you can get this juicy weakaura that tells if the boss is casting at you for only 3,99
woven trellis
how large is the radius where i have to stand between the caster and the target to consistentitly reflect the spell
undone sun
the reflect is counter intuitive so it comes up a lot
oblique garnet
and if its not targetting you go for the reflect
exotic spoke
My potato would explode late.
lusty grotto
pffft
supple path
For cyclone strike? Just stand inside the lizard's model basically. @woven trellis
long tinsel
Right on his face
woven trellis
im thinkin wracking pain
long tinsel
In AD?
long tinsel
Temple first boss cyclone strike
lusty grotto
i mean the point of the list is whether it is reflectable or not
not that you will have to do it
supple path
The only way you're reflecting yazma is if it's targeting you because your whole group is dead
wooden radish
awww merek, you ended april fools early 😦
jovial jewel
If you think you’re the target just don’t take the one risk
lusty grotto
rip Sco
supple path
It's really just the worst sort of holiday.
undone sun
same @oblique garnet
lusty grotto
our Lord and savior
exotic spoke
It would be better if I got today off
lusty grotto
after the whole server went in yesterday
hey we used it once
bull and me with weep
and cant remember who else
oh Late
undone sun
oof
exotic spoke
Y’all are too classy for me
ocean acorn
same
lusty grotto
wat u mean
exotic spoke
I just chill here while at work lol
ocean acorn
Nim, bull, weep, Late> me
ionic fern
inland mesa
I failed a 20 shrine due to wiping on last boss, followed by 19 AD by 32 seconds followed by a 19 Temple by 10 seconds.....yesterday wasn't my day
exotic spoke
Also, most of the regulars are horde. Why would I want to associate with them. I have an image to maintain as a space goat
ionic fern
Are you a blue or a yellow space goat?
exotic spoke
An underhanded rogue? I would never!
The original blue space goat
Honestly, someone in my guild just throws gold around and gets me to race change when he’s bored
In legion I went from human -> gnome -> dwarf -> space goat
stark sage
i wish i had a wow sugar daddy
exotic spoke
He was mad I took 3m gold from him gambling... so he decided to make me play whatever race he wanted. Jokes on him - I didn’t really car
He has like 50m gold
lusty grotto
ive only race changed once since vanilla
and its only cause i faction changed
frugal WoW ftw
exotic spoke
I started human. Went goblin to human, to gnome, dwarf, space goat. There where also about 5 server transfers.
I have never paid for one of those transfers / race change / faction change myself.
The faction and server transfers happened from human to goblin to human back in cata / early mop. Most where paid for by people buying carries
In PvP / rbgs
woven trellis
Darkened Lightning YES NO Magic Interrupt if you aren't the main target of cast
lusty grotto
last swap back to original server was in WoD
exotic spoke
Bloodhoof, KT alliance, KT horde, tich horde, something else, bloodhoof alliance
woven trellis
so for DARKENED LIGHTNING I HAVE TO BE THE TARGET
but other time i have to not be the target
this is so confusing
oh no wait
nono thats what i understood
lusty grotto
🤦
woven trellis
i dont get it
someone can explain to me why sometimes i have to be the target to reflect and sometimes i have to not be the target?
lusty grotto
you have to be the target
a targetted spell is not the same as cyclones
a "NUKE" like frostbolt
has to be targetted on you
i dont understand why this is so confusing for you
in general you will need to be targetted
cyclones is an exception
look at it this way: "cyclone is 'aimed', not 'targetted'"
that's not really the case but it might be easier to understand
darkened lighting : is it on you? reflect. is it not? interrupt ( aside from Cyclones, you can only reflect spells targetted to you)
signal plover
I mean it doesn't help that blizzard has on rare occasions been inconsistent in this
(even tho those are usually bugs)
lusty grotto
the cyclone thing is borderline "not intended"
which is why it was hush hush at the start
but now that it was on full display at MDI
signal plover
RIP
lusty grotto
not really i mean
signal plover
Kinda like the ghuun thing
true plover
Would you take a 3rd DC or a 1st CR for M+?
oblique garnet
@woven trellis think of it like this; youre playing baseball and youre the batter, you need be thrown the ball in order to be able to hit home run ye?
neon tangle
I mean, I view it as "can the spell hit you" some target a person and standing between you and the person doesn't matter
true plover
General use for pugs?
neon tangle
some are a cone type thing, i.e. the blast on mekka or cyclone strike
cyclone is definitely in the realm of "not intended"
exotic spoke
But sooooo wonderful
undone sun
wasn't it changed from a reflect even if it was targeting you
neon tangle
IIRC originally you could reflect if it targetted you, now it has to be someone else
chrome grove
Hello friends, is there one race that stands out above the rest (horde side) for mythic dungeons?
neon tangle
that being said, half the posts in here are about people fucking it up and getting gibbed
so I would personally avoid it lol
exotic spoke
Those are almost as fun as reflecting cannons in TD
neon tangle
@chrome grove not really, maybe belf for the offensive dispell
it's really what you enjoy looking at
exotic spoke
@chrome grove not really. Minor differences and no major benefit. Go with what you like
versed blade
Wait you can reflect the buster cannon on mekkatorque?
west kayak
I personally enjoy reflecting the "clones" Bloodbolt in UR first boss.
exotic spoke
Grevaeo that’s what I do. Damn near one shots it
chrome grove
Well, Ive got an orc sitting at 110 but Im not about to either re-level or pay to boost a different race if it makes a minor difference, appreciate it
jovial jewel
He does a hard turn from experience if it’s not you, you’ll know unless someone is stacking and idk why anyone would for that boss.
Don’t take my word for it
stoic pilot
Tbh it’s so easy to not scuff cyclone strike
exotic spoke
No but seriously. Is that correct. We can spell reflect mekkatorques buster cannon?
neon tangle
It just prevents the damage / debuff
exotic spoke
Fuck me, I never checked. Oh it does no damage?
woven trellis
Nimchip
:
darkened lighting : is it on you? reflect. is it not? interrupt ( aside from Cyclones, you can only reflect spells targetted to you)
versed blade
Does it redirect it?
stoic pilot
It just prevents you from taking the dmg / debuff
exotic spoke
Eh, good to know if I make a mistake but I was hoping it would do damage
woven trellis
so that about WRACKING PAIN NIMCHIP
it says i can reflect it if it target another person
isnt it?
stoic pilot
Wracking Pain applies a buff to a nearby skeleton
That melees you and applies 1 magic debuff
wait
I’m retarded and thinking of wicked frenzy nvm
versed blade
So if I reflect the buster cannon does it make the cannon bounce off my shield and change direction or is it just a dmg preventer?
stoic pilot
It doesn’t stop buster cannon
Just goes through you
But you don’t get any negative effects
versed blade
Oh sweet
lusty grotto
right the blast on mekka is a similar example
neon tangle
I would almost certainly rather save SR for the damage reduction on his melees tho
lusty grotto
oops i was scrolled up
versed blade
Does intercepting some one and spell reflecting still work for reflecting a spell?
weary veldt
Is this any good?
lusty grotto
yeah it seems good defensively
exotic spoke
What are those from?
lusty grotto
new raid
exotic spoke
Ahh
lusty grotto
they are not out yet
exotic spoke
Seems like something to try out - especially if you’re high in Vers
inland mesa
is it though, one melee swing and that's gone
undone sun
i'd imagine it also takes f rom the stat budget
lusty grotto
uhh after block
neon tangle
OT-ing for parses, yo
inland mesa
that's why the only secondary is 75 crit
versed blade
Is Je’s howler actually any good? When would you most want to use it?
exotic spoke
Between block, armor, and demo shout I bet that lasts for a bit
neon tangle
@versed blade Either use it when it benefits your team, or macro to avatar
lusty grotto
jes is good defensively but the 2 min cd is kinda meh
versed blade
Is it more for defense or offense?
neon tangle
I mean, it's fine for offense as well
exotic spoke
^^. I’m using it because 415+ socket. It’s a good 5-10 ilvls + socket over my other good trinkets
lusty grotto
and its still not as good as a diamond
versed blade
Like what @lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Diamond + howler here
inland mesa
I dunno, looking at all that raid gear I didn't see anything that was all that impressive drop wise. With 6% vers that's what, a 70k shield so IP if you're off tanking and not getting hit it lasts the whole time, but otherwise it's gone, and in M+ that's eaten alive quick
neon tangle
it's literally "everyone does more" for a bit
woven trellis
@lusty grotto if i follow your logic, why can i reflect wracking pain when im not targeted
tender igloo
Are there any streams yall would recommend watching for prot?
inland mesa
you can watch mine if you want 10 second 19 key heartbreaks D:
lusty grotto
** the only exception to the not targetting you rule are buster cannon and cyclones on seth **
are we good on that or still got questions?
versed blade
Lol
tender igloo
lol, was looking to watch someone to see how they play and just apply any of that to myself. I read a lot but its different when you see the magic happen
woven trellis
so you tell me that i have to be targeted to reflect most of the spells, which is why i can reflect Wracking pain because it is not targetting me, do you really not understand why it doesnt make sense to me? are u sure ure not missing something in the explanation?
neon tangle
also sims only account for your damage, jes is p good for your party
lusty grotto
where does it say you can reflect wracking pain when not targetted?
furthermore, wracking pain is chain lightning-esque
lusty grotto
oh shit hang on i thought you were talking about darkened lightning still
lusty grotto
you can reflect wracking pain
if it targets you
but it doesn't target you unless the group is dead
woven trellis
why would i reflect anything if everyone is fckin dead
lusty grotto
its just information man
woven trellis
ok
inland mesa
that one hit could be the kill bae
lusty grotto
if your group is dead and shes dying, you might wanna reflect so you kill her
neon tangle
I mean, solo-ing the end of a boss is useful
exotic spoke
Truth
inland mesa
Until I see some math on the Crucible gear being worth it, I'm not really seeing anything that's great. Maybe the oh shit heal trinket on a 1 minute CD but...meh
lusty grotto
Noooo no more kelade
undone sun
👏
lusty grotto
AGAIN
undone sun
distasteful jokes begone
lusty grotto
😦
exotic spoke
Did that a couple times for MOS
stoic pilot
I wonder if it’d be worth doing the ele on bridge in shrine if you could guarantee two reflects on it from electrifying shock
One reflect did about 40% of its hp and had our monk reflect another cast
Almost killed it on its own
exotic spoke
Has a lot of health in reaping later on.
stoic pilot
I’d have to look at MDT again but doesn’t it give a hefty amount of %
exotic spoke
There are other pulls you can do to make up for it
stoic pilot
Well duh
Which is why I’m wondering if it can die fast from reflects if it’d be worth to do considering you’d skip another pull even if reaping is big
Since you can just chain it into another trash pull since smash mobs aren’t really deadly anymore since they fixed desync bug
exotic spoke
Eh, at high keys it just doesn’t seem worth it imo.
That said, I hate shrine still.
stoic pilot
I just wish I had more practice in the dungeons like I did in Legion
I’m so bad at remembering % and all these new meta routes
exotic spoke
The routes change week to week more than they did on legion. I mean I had MOS down pat and it was very nice knowing what to pull then. Very little difference on teeming and non teeming
Now there is definitely more variety. Having MdT is a huge benefit
stoic pilot
Yeah MDT is really nice for sure
distant crystal
it doesn't really change anymore except teeming tho eh?
now that infested is gone
i guess there's still the things you skip on fort and don't bother skipping on tyr
exotic spoke
Honestly, on some weeks it’s better to do other packs than different weeks.
It also feels more fluid given the dungeon. iE AD has more options
sick sentinel
you reflected the whole channel?
modern brook
yeah prolly
stoic pilot
Are you talking to me Kaege?
I’m talking about the dot from it. if you are, Electrifying Shock. We were going to have me death skip it and pull it back, but they got in combat after a bit but I reflected a shock since it auto chooses you if nobody else is in combat.
So we decided to just kill and two dots literally just mongo’d it
exotic spoke
So, how about them local MDI teams
eager hedge
zzzz, send help
old night
exotic spoke
See, what you’ve gotta do.... is just reduce her hitpoints to zero before she reduced your hitpoints to zero. Then Boom! Tough actin tinactin.... youve got yourself a mythic Jaina kill.
eager hedge
😂
exotic spoke
I mean. If you get her to zero you definitely win
You win so much you broke the game
oblique garnet
pretty sure thats when the banhammer strikes
exotic spoke
It’s not like rogues are using engineering explosives as part of their normal rotation and rebuilding ouch lich kings platform trivializing the encounter to some degree
sand egret
woulda won if we still had Shattering Throw...
exotic spoke
Jaina is obviously why they removed it. Can’t break her ice block while we have heroism.
sand egret
haha what if she only blocks on Bloodlust, not any of the other forms
exotic spoke
Or lust for you horde folks
sand egret
like she don't give a shit about timewarp but if you bloodlust she's like "naw fam, I know that sound and that's when a bunch of Tauren with 3/3 and Pulverize show up and wreck my shit"
exotic spoke
Ha
sand egret
the sound of "you fucked"
exotic spoke
So true so very true
sand egret
How to know you lost in TFT:
- Did their DH/Warden get to level 6?
- Did that UD keep their expand?
- Did that Human pick AM first...oh wait that's every game...?(so technically still losses)
- Did Orc get Taurens + Lust?
exotic spoke
Lol
sand egret
naw it was Millhouse this whole time
sick sentinel
she transforms into a dreadlord
sand egret
naw, I'm just waiting for the biggest reveal in WoW history
the Void Lords have been here the whole time....as critters
Trevor will be the big bad
supple path
Wow doesn't have reveals, it just has a different person we need to defeat to break them from the grasp of madness. I look forward to beating up the Titan Azeroth until it's not evil anymore at the end of this expansion.
supple path
It'll have a corrupted avatar of course.
sick sentinel
fucking it up lol
supple path
But oh yeah I've got a lot of CorrectBucks riding on a hamfisted global warming metaphor
Azeroth will have been corrupted by the Old God of C02 Emissions or something.
clear mortar
hey guys i cant find bloodsport trait on blood mallet would u say its better or worse than callous reprisel
distant crystal
bloodmallet is just for dmg no?
steel mauve
correct
supple path
And bloodsport is exactly 0 damage, so no parse required.
steel mauve
the icyveins guide
supple path
distant crystal
sick sentinel
the icy veins guide for raids*
supple path
And if what you're actually interested in is "highest dps traits, regardless of survival boost"...DC/BoM for m+/anything with cleave, with Reckless Fury as the highest single target trait.
clear mortar
i love how we think icyveins is the end all be all or the pins. especially since talents differ in each
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel So close yet so far
fierce juniper
oh lol
merry bane
pin talents?
fierce juniper
notlikethis
clear mortar
was maroks pins a joke haha
distant crystal
april fools
oblique garnet
@fierce juniper that details is with the pins talents btw
merry bane
oh yes the TC iconw as great, the notification not so much
supple path
That 1 was the only April Fool's joke that actually got me so far.
merry bane
did you check out the 8.2 PTR notes>
distant crystal
also if you use dejacharstats
supple path
I try to avoid reading anything today.
sand egret
anyone else still seeing "Sco" as the writer of the pins?
(after Marok changed his name back)
oblique garnet
yes
signal plover
Restart your discord
lusty grotto
Lord sco is our awesome sco he reigns on the heavens above (in skyhold numbnuts)
undone sun
🗞
warm plinth
Marok changed everything back early because he couldn't stand his name being Sco for any longer 😂
(That's my thought anyway)
warm plinth
Nope. Me neither.
sick sentinel
Do deafening crashes stack?
modern brook
my gear is so sick 🤠
exotic spoke
Sick bro. I wish mine was that good
modern brook
hey man we cant all be prot gods 🤷
exotic spoke
I .. I honestly feel terrible after talking like that
umbral forge
Oh god its back to normal.
I think Nimchip said you should get 5% leech @modern brook better get back on that treadmill!
jovial jewel
What is leech
modern brook
💪
umbral forge
The prot paladin group was quick to call my co-tank lacking in AM. If that's anything to go by I think its ok
lusty grotto
i just follow the wowhead guide lul
umbral forge
We should get a second channel for leech talk
undone sun
hard pass
undone sun
🗞
umbral forge
Imagine if it had leech..
umbral forge
Leech set.
I like it.
ocean acorn
why siphoning?
outer dew
because I like having 11% leech
lmao
it helps with my impulse to want to drag reaping into everything
that and it makes some retarded pulls a bit more mangable/less punishing
oblique garnet
@outer dew this is why we cant have nice things
I have no words in my dissapointment in you
@little scaffold #promotion
Also probably not the place to post for recruitment when you dont want warriors
little scaffold
Lmfao my bad.
Was the wrong channel.
Shall fix, ty.
I forgot warriors? Shit, ty @oblique garnet
lapis topaz
Berserker Rage cannot be used to negate the horrify effect from Ferocious Roar I’ve been tanking Grong on heroic and I’ve been able to use it reactively. Is the above note from Tanknotes.com wrong, or is it just that you can’t use it before the cast, or what?
shut summit
^
lapis topaz
Ahhh. That’s a fine detail not called out. Thanks for the clarification.
sly pebble
sly pebble
How good is Avoidance?
undone sun
just about as good as other tertiaries
fossil heron
anyone have any idea on which one i take here?
i know socket is good but idk which one is better here
for m+, i might add
stone imp
You'd take both
grim nimbus
pls answer me 😦
undone sun
yes it is @grim nimbus would have gotten a quicker answer if you read #268491842637660160 too 😄
stone imp
I suspect Rezan's would lead to better outcomes, but I don't think you could go wrong with either.
fresh valley
did blizzard fix last boss in TD where you can't go in a corner and not get knocked around?
stone imp
Not as of yesterday
hollow root
what weapon enchant for prot?
undone sun
Haste
hollow root
kk
oblique garnet
tfw you deplete siege by 2 seconds with a last 2nd death
sweet kettle
@fresh valley you propably didn't position yourself correctly
trim bay
What's the best loa to use as a zandalarian ?
sweet kettle
Well the kragwa one is the most defensive one
I use the paku one since I play fury as well and cba changing
But realistically you shouldn't worry about that
It's not like you will ever get in a situation were you will be like, if only I had kragwa I wouldn't have died
hollow root
yeah krag'wa is the tanking loa, bwonsamdi is nice though - deals damage and heals you for the amount
but it's all minor
lusty grotto
yo
ran 16 KR had a 1700 io rdruid and i safeguarded all the gold shit and he still couldn't heal it lul
most people here use paku for M+ iirc
btw
kragwa is meh from what ive heard
grand drum
what's the average wipe counter for m Opulence?
or how many times has every body else wiped on it?
exotic spoke
That will honestly depend on how your guild deals with randomness / personal accountability
Our first kill was around 80 or so wipes? I’ll check logs when I finish up next turn in Civ
oblique garnet
does your guild stop moving when they are supposed to?
If they do not
Then it might be 300+
exotic spoke
Do you position the adds correctly to minimize impact of laser rooms?
grand drum
idk, not part of the mythic team, they're at almost 100 now tho
exotic spoke
Is it going more smoothly / fewer deaths each time?
grand drum
from what dbm says, they wipe at either 2 minutes in or 8 minutes in so kinda random
oblique garnet
oh so last phase?
last phase is pretty much just let the mans die
like you dont want coinshowers on the raid
if you have bops etc
just bop or immunity them
exotic spoke
Yup. They have realized they are fucking up early and don’t think more exposure to later rooms is worth it
For the short pulls
And for the long pulls they are getting close. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 10-15% wipes. Maybe too many people died before they got there or maybe debuff fell off
dense flame
on 19 and higher tree boss in wcm, how often are you clearing
quiet hornet
10-15 stacks
20 if you want you want your healer to work
25 if you hate your healer
dense flame
okay i was going 20-25 no wonder I was getting ping ponged
oblique garnet
yeah
exotic spoke
Just pop all the CDs and pray?
undone sun
it's only natural
exotic spoke
You got to 50 stacks - holy fuck lol
dense flame
that's pretty huge on a 21
dense flame
would it have been possibly a healer issue?
exotic spoke
Tyrannical or fortified?
dense flame
was cycling SR/shield wall on some of the higher stack slams
exotic spoke
Probably tyraninical though
oblique garnet
o.o
orchid token
@dense flame SR?
oblique garnet
did you lust it?
dense flame
yes
orchid token
the main key to tanking that boss at high stacks is to never let him crush you without shield block up, and never go more than a few seconds at high stacks without SB or bolster up
exotic spoke
^^
orchid token
after your first reset if you're resetting once then the play is to let shield block sit untouched until at least 10+ stacks
before you start using it again
so that you can go cleanly through to the end
dense flame
okay, appreciate the information thank you
oblique garnet
yeah but overall you shouldnt need to reset it more than once
@dense flame what ilvl was your shield?
exotic spoke
So, how can you find out how mnay pulls youve done on a boss through DBM / wowprogress (without counting them yourself)
exotic spoke
Pulls
exotic spoke
fOUND IT
Sorry
Foudn it thanks
Hrmm, not entirely accurate as I've killed it more than once. Maybe it wasn't working. @grand drum But its lookling like about 75 pulls for our first kill on Oppulence
dense flame
@oblique garnet yeah, I think was inexperience on my part. Dunno if the jump from a 18 is that large to a 19 wcm. But I didn't change what I had been doing from prior and never felt that boss stress me out before.
oblique garnet
Hmm strange
Only really stressful boss ive yet encountered is yazma
I hate that boss
And 3rd boss on ml
Rest are pretty chill imo
dusky mica
why yazma?
dense flame
does anyone have the target of target macro for intercept?
i know i saw one floating aroun here earlier
yazma to me is stressful too lol
oblique garnet
@dusky mica just the sheer amount of length and focus the boss needs on high tyrannicals
dusky mica
for you or the group? it usually the dps that fuck it
oblique garnet
Yeah and when the dps fucks it up i have to pick it up
exotic spoke
which one is yazma? Last in AD right?
oblique garnet
Yes
dusky mica
The boss I hate, is the big chunk of rock in motherlode
its the most useless, pointless thing in the game
dusky mica
barrel boss?
kinda trivial if you're disciplined with barrel drops
hell to pug though on tyrannical
I hope we get some new 5mans
the current batch are getting boring
sick sentinel
I hope the new dungeon isnt a straight forward dungeon
I like AD/FH for its freedom, more dungeons need to let me choose where to go
lusty grotto
feelsbadman i scuffed yet another easy key this week
sick sentinel
Which?
lusty grotto
i dont wanna say it
sick sentinel
Motherfucker
lusty grotto
lets just say i died to sharks
sick sentinel
if it was a FH
sick sentinel
I CAN NOT BELIEVE U
oblique garnet
Nim
ionic fern
@outer dew it's good. Atleast the prot side of it. Not so sure about the others.
oblique garnet
Im dissapointed in you
ionic fern
Also, good morning.
lusty grotto
and accidentally pulled too much so got last reap
sick sentinel
Boi
oblique garnet
Nim if you wanna take a look at my last vod
lusty grotto
in my defense i did warn them about eudora
oblique garnet
Now thats pulling too much
lusty grotto
(and they still died to shots)
sick sentinel
What level was it?