someone once told me that unstable flames stacks drop on dmg
#protection
distant crystal
steel mauve
but basically you never lose value on haste because youll never be able to get that much
steel mauve
i could see it possibly proccing off IF, but i think its just damaging abilities
mortal brook
isnt it damaging abilities?
distant crystal
no i mean losing stacks when you take dmg
mortal brook
ah, there was a bug for it in 8.0.1 for that
burnt fossil
I just tanked heroic on my Warrior for the first time hot damn
warped thorn
whats best race for prot warr atm?
i have every single race available, horde side
nobody?
quiet hornet
@warped thorn check out wowhead.com guide it has a list of the most played races for all the specs
warped thorn
yeah just figured the prot warrior discord would be more in depth than wowhead, my fault for asking questions here
timber nest
@warped thorn race makes 0 difference. Play what you wanna look at
quiet hornet
As I was it’s belf for the offensive dispel, Highmountain Tauren for the knockback and Zandalari troll for the loa buff thing.
Blood Elf - Mythic+ superstars ( Arcane Torrent), mediocre elsewhere.
Highmountain Tauren - The best Horde tank race overall, but lacking the unique Mythic+ power of Blood Elf.
Zandalari Troll - An excellent offensive option due to Embrace of Pa'ku, with a powerful self-heal Regeneratin' that can be useful in Mythic+
undone sun
HMT DR passive is actually what makes it desireable
sick sentinel
DR?
hushed cobalt
when you join 4 guildies, and 1 is a carry, you get a lil something something
sick sentinel
It's hard to agree or disagree, as a prot, you have enough mitigation on your own to not need other things on top it. It's hard to say whether that or the belf is better because belf is just so good on everything.
undone sun
fun 
minor vapor
replace leech for socket?
quiet hornet
Which is why in the end it all boils down to personal pref.
@minor vapor socket is huge but you lose a lot of haste if you replace your second best.
/decisions
undone sun
he wasn't asking about replacing the haste one, it's also a 20 ilevel difference if he was.
quiet hornet
Ah whoops, couldn’t see it clearly
minor vapor
Yea I just couldn't decide on which to swap if any.
undone sun
i would use socket over leech
desert ice
Does Safeguard work on Spit Gold and the Axe Lady's bleed in KR?
next plaza
yes
sick sentinel
Doesn't it work on basically everything physical?
sick sentinel
Yes, it's supposed to be just melees, but it's not.
Nor the first / third boss' debuff in KR are melee...at least...visually?
Tbh I find it hard to know what my charge is gonna help mitigate if it's not physical. I know it works there but don't know what else it works on. Witches' jagged netles in WM?
bronze lantern
safeguard (the talent) works on just about anything, not just physicals. thats the main part of intervene
lunar skiff
its really worth it to get leech ? i mean feel like shit if u dont have more than 10-15%
(for m+ right)
quiet hornet
The vampiric seed trait or resounding protection trait is real good for self heals
pastel holly
How do you engage AoE-packs? Intercept-> TC and then? Feeling as if I am doing it wrong, either delaying A or B. Do you use Avatar -> DS -> TC or DS first? idk
pale quail
avatar,charge->tc->ds->sb,ip
bronze lantern
why would you list IP and SB together when theyre both off the gcd
umbral forge
SB isn't off the GCD I think?
pastel holly
i think he means that it is ok to use them a bit later because of the big avatar IP buff
bronze lantern
every AM is off the gcd
undone sun
🤦
umbral forge
I feel retarded now. I've always waited a second before pressing anything else than SB 🤦
brittle ledge
you are not the only one
i thought only ip was off the GCD
lol
learn a new thing every day on this channel 😃
main brook
which loa to take as prot war?
sand egret
whichever one you like, the decision is pretty negligible. Current frontrunners are Paku and Bwom
umbral forge
When I was Zandalari I liked Gonk for the movement speed.
lunar jackal
Guys quick question. 355 blockades or 395 mchimba from KR
silk mortar
Mchima, way more strength
lunar jackal
kk
sick sentinel
@minor vapor you definitely take off the leech for a socket
royal marten
Is the frog blessing worth using as a zandalari?
sick comet
Froggy is best defensive wise
royal marten
Makes sense
steel mauve
Imo paku/bonsamdi is better
But theres still very little difference, just another racial that has very little impact
real thunder
So Im looking at mythic parses of BoD, i see a lot of the top parses no longer using "Booming Voice" but taking "Devastator" now....is that the new go to talent?
void hill
Im just getting started on my prot warrior and I'm wondering what of your 3 CD's to use when
is one the go to oh shit?
dusty pasture
use last stand when shield block isnt up, use shield wall on unblockable dmg
rallying cry when the whole party is getting hammered
frozen ember
405 DLRP or 420 Knot of fury?
stone imp
DLRP?
frozen ember
Diamond Laced Refactory Prism
stone imp
oh. Knot 9 times out of 10
frozen ember
also got 405 Rezans but I figure I should keep that on
stone imp
Maybe 9.5
frozen ember
word
void hill
@dusty pasture ty
dusty pasture
np
stone imp
Easy mode is to macro the knot to avatar, it doesn't always line up exactly, but it gets pretty close frequently.
Worst case you hit the button twice
frozen ember
how often do you tank swap on mekka? Notes just say to swap to reset electro amp
sick sentinel
It depends on how much u can handle with his stacks
8-10 like roac is a safe bet
If ur progging try to test the limit that u can deal with
Because if ur co-tank is shrunk, u may not know how long it will take until they get out
@void hill our oh shit button is at most Rallying cry
You use Shield wall in anticipation of large incoming damage, regardless of the type
void cairn
Unstoppable force or Dragon roar to M+?
tight brook
Hey i saw some of the warrios in MDI playing with 100 Leech on Weapon is it better than Quick Nav or why they are doing it?
sick sentinel
Oh god DAMNIT
light depot
anyone have a suicide macro for jaina rdy?
undone sun
🤦
light depot
or is turning enough
sick sentinel
If ur in 1st phase jump off
If ur not stand in shit
@shut summit are u in the MDI?
candid ledge
Hello, Im going to betray the alliane and go Horde, I really love Maghar and their look but I've heard they have the worse racials. Will that be that much huge of an impact in M+ ? I still havent tried to push with my war above 14, but my aim is to create a team and start pushing. Other option is highmountain or just normal orc
sick sentinel
Compared to the other options u listed, maghar have bad racials with the only real noticeable one being their 10% reduced time from certain debuffs
But that's 1 second removed from a 10 second dot
So not as impact as u might think
candid ledge
It's basically like having 0 racials
sick sentinel
Ur better of going HM over Orc
candid ledge
YEah that's why I listed it
sick sentinel
Since orc just get an AP increase and small stun reduction which is not common in m+ to be something noticeable
HM get a small vers boost, a tiny Dr, and a free charge
If ur looking at that website for gearing then no
ancient ore
does shimmering haven stack?
sick sentinel
I don't believe it does
sick sentinel
and look at the guide on the tabs
candid ledge
How bad do HM look? 😛
Im making my main paladin a belf so don't wanna go double belf
timber nest
Belf so goooood though
ancient ore
im a tauren main
sick sentinel
It depends on ur tmog
undone sun
subjective
sick sentinel
@candid ledge make a a free 110 trail HM
And make the tmog u want on it
See how it looks
candid ledge
Always forget to take advantage of that, thanks mate!!
steel mauve
The only racials that have a reletive benefit are torrent from BE and the DiD for their removal of bleeds, the other racials arent that big and are reletively unnoticeable so its a play what looks good/you like situation
sick sentinel
If u like their barks and yells
410 everchill , 400 rezan , 415 alchemy trinket and 400 ramping ampiltude what combo should i use for dmg in m+
Everchil/X
U can go for more haste or increase ur overall self from alchy trinket
austere oar
Is everchill really worth in m+ ? Feel like its too long to stack up
noble trail
Good evening gentlemen
would just like your oppinion on what to use
ignore the pawn its incorrect
ionic fern
400 crit/haste.
fair mason
3
sick sentinel
@austere oar it's very good in fort weeks, it's also 4%-6% of your damage in the dungeon overall
scarlet basalt
unborn island
how do you guys normally move yazma from the spiders
I tend to move it when there's shit on the floor which could become problematic
but some groups tell me i move it too much
some say too little >.<
wonder if there's a happy medium
ionic fern
1)Don't soak spiders.
2)Let everyone be near the boss
3)Kite the boss with the spiders behind him from corner to corner.
timber nest
Ideally you don’t need CDS for yazna so I just use them to soak the annoying spiders near the boss but ya
zinc rose
Sometimes I can charge through the rings of peace, sometimes not, anyone kno why?
primal sable
can i intercept eudora's powder shot without taking safeguard?
bronze lantern
yes
primal sable
cheers
torn sleet
For m+ tanking should I always use dps trinkets over defensive ones? I’ve got vial of animated blood, and the butchers block at 390. While I have a diamond laced refractory prism and knot of ancient fury at 400.
lusty grotto
depends on what you're comfortable with
minor vapor
@torn sleet it's personal tbh.
lusty grotto
if you are at a key level where you think you're taking too much damage, go defensive
minor vapor
You can't ask that question, cause only you can answer it. @torn sleet
lusty grotto
being defensive isn't a bad thing as it allows you to pull more
it also depends on the affixes
sick sentinel
@primal sable you do not need saveguard
you can take the shot without it
and you just block the hit
next drift
quick nav or masterful nav for 15s+? i'm at block softcap already for dungeons
lusty grotto
this "soft blockcap" thing is making me angry as of late
so you can fully 100% block on crit blocks, that does not mean any additional BV isn't valuable on regular non-crit blocks
furthermore, what the does haste and mastery have to do with it?
where are people getting this whole "block softcap" thing
block chance (mastery) is not the same as block DR (assuming you mean that by "softcap already for dungeons")
short answer quick nav
:p
next drift
ah i must have been given some bad info then, i was under the impression block was fully wasted past 42.5
appreciated, i'll go with quick
i'm a brew main so block in general i'm still learning the intricacies of
next drift
lusty grotto
yikes
next drift
this guide, which I probably misread/didn't fully understand
next drift
word
lusty grotto
so basically it's "softcapped" only due to block value
since mastery increases your chance to crit block, it means you will block the max amount on every crit block more frequently with enough BV
but mastery is only chance to crit block (and reg blocks but that should be 100% with SB and LS)
next drift
right, right
lucid bough
and again tbh that wowhead seems better updated too
refering stats and trinkets, just passing my eyes on it
hot locust
well the stats section is wrong for M+ on that wowhead guide.
and the trinkets section does talk more specifically about what makes those trinkets good, but recommends the same trinkets almost entirely (except ramping on icy and everchill on wowhead).
lucid bough
icy vein is wrong too
hot locust
They icy-veins section doesn't cover M+ stats at all, so yes that is a drawback.
but in the exact recommendation that the guide gives on wowhead
"For example I would rather go for a 410 ilvl High mastery low haste belt rather than a 415 belt with high crit and low vers. Rings and trinkets are very different because they dont always guarantee having strength or armor which means you can sacrifice a lot of ilvl here to pick a better piece."
is wrong
lucid bough
"So while Critical Strike is the worst secondary stat, is it not by any means a "bad" stat. It is still very close in value to the better stats"
wrong on icy veins
hot locust
again, icy-veins doesnt cover M+ in the stats section at all
in raiding, yes it is the worst stat.
hot locust
The wowhead one specifically mentions M+ in this example.
lucid bough
only applyes to raid
hot locust
the point is it isn't exclusive to M+ gearing... why are you nitpicking so hard about it?
Whereas the wowhead one specifically says for M+
lucid bough
me? you are nitpick several examples to bash 1 guide
when the icy veins is at least
has the same errors
hot locust
Almost like I just said that the trinkets section of it was good. 🤔
inland mesa
You came in here promoting the wowhead guide and they pointed out where it was wrong. Then you got mad o.O
hot locust
but no I only bash it
lusty grotto
he didn't promote it
lucid bough
i ddidnt promote anything
lusty grotto
just linked it because that's where the other guy got his info
lucid bough
why are u whiteknigting?
lusty grotto
just to be clear hehe
lucid bough
im calm xD
lusty grotto
that's the entire point of this discord 😃
sick sentinel
Yea
inland mesa
You seem pretty hard on dismissing any other feedback and just being like nah it's great from how I read it
sick sentinel
And to talk about why leech is so good
lusty grotto
😡
lucid bough
I didnt say anything like that mate lol
undone sun
😡
sick sentinel
inland mesa
Further, the crit thing is just recent yes, since we could use tournament realm to actually compare equal ilvl
lusty grotto
that's true
hot locust
no @inland mesa
lusty grotto
the whole crit thing is due to having the same ilvls across the board
as a way to maximize both damage and defensiveness
hot locust
People have been stacking crit for M+ for a long while now.
hot locust
Sense as an example was running block+knot even in season 1.
lusty grotto
the icy veins guide's goal is to provide defensive feedback for the most part... so the offensive value of crit isn't really something that is considered in it
bronze lantern
do you value it that much higher due to more hits equalizing the odds ? compared to raids
hot locust
the vast majority of the damage in any M+ dungeon is melee
lusty grotto
in a raid scenario, you don't deal with too many adds usually
hot locust
and crit has always been our best stat for DR on pure melees in terms of raw reduction
just not consistency
bronze lantern
yeah but you get "consistency" due to the shear amount of hits
hot locust
I mean statistically you can't say it's more "consistent" just because there is more.
inland mesa
Boo, I wanted the final to go to the third round
bronze lantern
rule of big numbers hello?
hot locust
🤔
bronze lantern
the more hits you get the closer the parried amount will be to your parry chance 🤷
hot locust
No I understand that
lusty grotto
im bilingual too 😃
hot locust
but it's still not the way to really frame that argument.
lusty grotto
your english is fine 😉
bronze lantern
I wasnt saying its the main reason its good
Or atleast i wasnt trying to say that
lusty grotto
i hate when my frosty melts 😦
inland mesa
Poor nerf :(
oblique garnet
Superior gear won
inland mesa
What was the difference?
hot locust
correct player won
lmao
Naowh running better trinkets, weapon enchant, and azerite traits.
Obviously it's not all 1 person though.
sharp night
NA threw that hard though
hot locust
Is a team thing after all.
inland mesa
Can you see what they're running somewhere
lusty grotto
was jb screaming tho
hot locust
Yeah there is a tab on the left of screen
lusty grotto
yes on the overlay
merry cave
You can definitely tell the people who have picked up war recently or purely for tr
Everyone I see on there is a war lol
lusty grotto
well nerf has been playing war for a few months
lucid bough
fem too
oblique garnet
naowh almost went the nerf route of going haste vers
lusty grotto
just... as a budget bdk
lucid bough
divinefield
hot locust
It is curious though that the only warrior running the correct azerite/enchant/gear setup for every dungeon is on the team that 2-0'd every series. :^)
bronze lantern
i think divine swapped to warr latest
lucid bough
so many playing live for months
hot locust
A lot of them swapped back and forth
and changed stuff for certain keys
which you just lose out on when doing
oblique garnet
0 vers 0 mastery = bis 4head
inland mesa
Hmmm naow went blood siphon over heed?
lucid bough
hum
undone sun
Must have used AMR
bronze lantern
NS is only halfway good for last 2 bosses, and complete trash before
lusty grotto
they're not allowed to hearth and change talents right?
lucid bough
I saw several with that strat before, specially with locks
hot locust
correct Nim
lusty grotto
yeah ugh
oblique garnet
its not even good for the last 2 bosses
lucid bough
you tp out - change NS for 3rd boss - lock tp
bronze lantern
yup, on live if you have time on last 2 bosses go ahead hearth out and swap
oblique garnet
you get more healing from bolster
bronze lantern
thats ok
oblique garnet
than you do from ns
bronze lantern
NS isnt a complete throw on last 2 bosses though, thats the point
hot locust
On TR when you can't swap though it's just goofy. You lose out so hard on all the big trash pulls.
bronze lantern
it is for the rest of the key though
inland mesa
Double blightborn, interesting
bronze lantern
sadly cant play that on live :')
oblique garnet
crit is big in m+
inland mesa
Why cant you on live?
hot locust
pieces arent 415
bronze lantern
the head naowh was running caps at 385 on live
its from the drustvar azerite cache afaik
oblique garnet
yeah
inland mesa
Why blood siphon over heed?
oblique garnet
you can only get the chest with blightborne on 415
sharp night
his head/shoulders were the two from azerite cache
his chest was dc/bom
so neither are available on live
inland mesa
Yeah I have the chest, but I took heed over siphon
sharp night
blightborne chest on live doesn't have bom so you can't get any blightborne if you want 3x bom
bronze lantern
and bom is well, bom
urban briar
gunna ask a question im sure u guys have had a milion times so forgive me tryna push keys how much haste/versa do i want b4 going to mastery/crit?
inland mesa
Is any of this crucible gear worth it? Least they added some secondaries back
ebon hound
@urban briar Itemlevel
fickle urchin
itemlevel isnt everything, just look at nerfclaps gear
lusty grotto
....
ebon hound
he literally only have 415 gear to choose from
lusty grotto
itemlevel is everything
timber nest
Lol, nerd lap prioritizes leech on gear. That is NOT how you play prot
fickle urchin
and he chose awful stuff.
timber nest
Nerfclap*
fickle urchin
so it IS possible to choose bad gear, if you just go for ilvl
case in point would be nerfclap
oblique garnet
This is what ive been saying for months but nobody believes me smh
just because im only 2.5k and he is 3k+ doesnt mean im wrong
hot locust
@oblique garnet 🤔
lusty grotto
TR/MDI gearing is different than live
undone sun
Wat
lusty grotto
do not compare the two
inland mesa
Isnt that in a funnel though where you get to pick and choose pieces
hot locust
I think plenty of people were already thing the same as you Late.
oblique garnet
Im just memeing Lala 😛
fickle urchin
i mean, clearly the majority of the MDI tanks agree with Late too
its hardly a fringe opinion
lusty grotto
@urban briar go for ilvl > secondaries always
fickle urchin
its just nerfclap doing strange things
inland mesa
Sure if you have two 420 gloves one is crit haste the other is mastery vers go crit haste
fickle urchin
yeah
oblique garnet
youd be surprised how many people consider nerf the best warrior
hot locust
of course
lusty grotto
yuck
hot locust
he runs with jb and shak
undone sun
Who
hot locust
he must be the best
inland mesa
I just like watching his stream
lusty grotto
🤢
urban briar
im at the stage right now where i have multiple pieces so i dunno what i want
lusty grotto
when in doubt go haste
inland mesa
Crit haste
sick sentinel
Leech
ebon hound
crit haste
sick sentinel
Deswind said its good
undone sun
Trolling is a bannable offense
sick sentinel
undone sun
Kek
fickle urchin
its so stupid that specific items cost x4, and the items to choose from is only 6 of each. Why the f cant we pick emisary or daily bits too
urban briar
is thier a minimum versa/mastery i want?
lusty grotto
no
undone sun
Nope
inland mesa
for specifically M+? no
oblique garnet
just prioritse ilvl>everything
fickle urchin
three bom and anger management mean you dont get much value from a little mastery on gear.
lusty grotto
for nothing specifically lol hehe
oblique garnet
@hot locust jaina dead yet? Is it time to start the na dream soon™?
hot locust
Oh, yeah we killed it a bit ago
inland mesa
I hate the jaina fight, I find it really boring
oblique garnet
gz
hot locust
😃
inland mesa
and p1 being a freaking rng fest is just aggravating
hot locust
It is very annoying
inland mesa
do either of you that have killed it try to run avalanche in p2 alone?
hot locust
I have a DH follow me until the avalanche starts
oblique garnet
still benched for jaina 😦
hot locust
then he peaces out
inland mesa
isn't freeze 3 seconds avalanche 5 and 5 ticks? I always end up seeming to drop one in the barrel at minimum if not more, and if we're slow on barrel I'm dead
hot locust
freeze is 5 seconds
urban briar
is 8% versa 2 low for high keys?
hot locust
nope
undone sun
Already said no to a minimum verse
oblique garnet
i have 8% vers id rather have other stats imo
urban briar
18% crit 37% haste with into the fray 21% mastery, 8% versa where should i go with my stats
undone sun
...
lusty grotto
go with ilvl>all, that's it
oblique garnet
only in high tyrannical motherlodes will i even want vers
undone sun
There are no breakpoints, no soft caps, no hard caps to worry about
oblique garnet
its a nice bonus but as long as you have the highest ilvl pieces your stats dont matter
undone sun
The more you have, the better
nova gale
Any WA wizard here?
lusty grotto
urban briar
hows the engi helm for wars would it be as good as the others?
lusty grotto
its good
merry cave
Did anyone screen shot naohw gear? Can't use the gear check thing on replays
verbal sandal
cant find anything in welcome, but what site are you guys using to see stat weights and infos about talents etc?
lusty grotto
👉 🚪
umbral forge
Did a KR+5 and my Shield broke cause I'm a retard who forgot to repair. Nothing else broke and we still 3 chested it. Feels TC man.
lunar jackal
U guys is Know trinket any good? i got a 415 but i got a jes howler at 390
should replace?
lunar jackal
kk
merry cave
Still curious how close it is to my TR setup is all :)
oblique garnet
@merry cave its your basic crit haste gear with 0% increased vers and 0% increased mastery with the exception of vial
merry cave
Ahh fair enough, did he run butchers block and vial? Or the Jaina trinket
Thanks though :)
oblique garnet
block and vial
merry cave
Thanks late
jovial jewel
I can tank +15s fairly easy as far as I know my healer and I pull what he can handle, I have opul trinket, my survival is pretty high no but I feel like my dps started lacking? Stick with it or nah?
oblique garnet
whats your overall dps?
jovial jewel
Depends
Large add dungeons are 18k-20k
With the trink
Lust bosses I pull 18kish?
But I want to do higher mythics, I have 3xbom and dc, but 40.block against dungeon mobs.
proud ermine
Switch out that prism trinket bruh
jovial jewel
okay
oblique garnet
i have prism and im pulling 30-35k overall
jovial jewel
Well I did reforge to get soft block cap
Iron fort
One
I normally do 30k
It’s noticeable which is concerning
proud ermine
I pre much run three bom and as many dc as I can
oblique garnet
even with if your damage numbers are low
jovial jewel
without if I have 40.xx block
jovial jewel
Well I pug a lot
jovial jewel
So i test out the first pulls
oblique garnet
go big or go home
jovial jewel
Or like on reaping sometimes pugs don’t los
proud ermine
Yeah if you're just pugging bruh don't worry
oblique garnet
it doesnt matter if its pugs or not
jovial jewel
I go fucking nuts trust me
jovial jewel
I’m talking about reaping with bosses no discord 4 packs in Waycrest
I go nuts
Lmao
oblique garnet
how are you doing that low damage then?
jovial jewel
Depending on boss of prize
I’m thinking it’s pugs not los on my market
Marker so I have to gather Afro
Agro,
oblique garnet
if youre pugging just get the if they die they die mentality
jovial jewel
Boss of course.*
oblique garnet
all you need to care about is your healer
proud ermine
Probs get on the lookout forfor a solid group to grind with
jovial jewel
I can tank a dungeon perfectly and they stop doing mechanics
oblique garnet
if the dps dies to standing in stupid its not your problem
jovial jewel
Yeah but it’s like man we should’ve two chested that 16 or 17 now I did all that work
Sometimes the ones that die dip
I hate this the 1600-1800 bracket
oblique garnet
its the same in higher
proud ermine
Just need to find a group to run with my dude
jovial jewel
Yeah, it’s hard they all taken and most people aren’t willing to tank mindset where you have to know every boss. If they are like 1500 this season and played both season
Kinda weak imo
Boss and adds*
jovial jewel
Like I said I’m still fairly new
umbral forge
Soft block cap, leech..
So many things to keep in mind to stay competitive
lusty grotto
what the hell are you looking at this so called "soft cap" for anyway
jovial jewel
Dropping traits to loose dps, only to leech less
lusty grotto
im assuming you reforged IF and BFI out or something?
lusty grotto
you read the wowhead guide and you didn't see the fact that you still gain from IF and BFI on regular blocks?
jovial jewel
So no
lusty grotto
again the wowhead guide is not maintained by this discord
jovial jewel
I Do know that
agile ice
ad
valid cloak
i was chasing the gear noaw was using for the mdi the wow stream shows nothing for the gear etc how is it possible to see what he used?
jovial jewel
Anyways tell me more, I’m a nub lol don’t critique without constructive
proud ermine
The set he is using isn't obtainable @lazerpony
lusty grotto
the hud has an arrow on the left side
proud ermine
All gear is scaled up
valid cloak
im aware its not i was more curious to see what he had
lusty grotto
and what octanol said
lusty grotto
it probably doesn't
valid cloak
....
oblique garnet
unless youre playing in the mdi
proud ermine
He is just curious bruh
oblique garnet
its just your standard gear with crit /haste
proud ermine
Hahaha
oblique garnet
legit
valid cloak
it would still be cool to see lol.
oblique garnet
hold on ill log on the tr realm and show
proud ermine
I'm pre sure it was like 3x BoM / 1DC / swirling sands and blightborne
jovial jewel
Bet
valid cloak
cause someone the other day in here was saying go 20 crit 20 haste and as much into mastery as you can.
lusty grotto
double blightborne actually
proud ermine
Ahhh double blight my b
lusty grotto
no laserpony
no
you can't have what he has, and you should not gear that way in live realms
because A) live realms aren't MDI
B) there will alwasy be better ilvls
jovial jewel
Nah I just trying to get the highest percent in mitigation or block
Im*
20 haste imo is over kill
If you have procing haste
lusty grotto
and C) "as much into mastery as you can" is wrong
there's no such thing as haste overkill
valid cloak
jesus LOL im not asking for shit for live lol. i asked about what he used in mdi. and the person who was talkin in here the other day was also talking about mdi
lusty grotto
please stop
jovial jewel
I use rampaging I like
jovial jewel
I mean not overkill of course, but I do have like 24%
lusty grotto
that implies you're thinking about gearing like him
oblique garnet
naowhs gear
lusty grotto
perhaps in the TR
jovial jewel
Nope just my top item lvl
oblique garnet
literally the same
lusty grotto
pwn im not talking to you
valid cloak
so this was a mdi question for mdi gearing reasons.
jovial jewel
Gotcha
lusty grotto
ok in that case there you go
oblique garnet
this is the best gear you can have on warrior in mdi
umbral forge
Jeez no transmog
valid cloak
@oblique garnet so it all scaled up to 415?
jovial jewel
Yo that’s insane.
valid cloak
jesus
void cairn
What race for prot is ideal?
umbral forge
What faction?
lusty grotto
for what type of content?
valid cloak
for m+ dwarf/nelf
primal aurora
Horde
oblique garnet
tfw that gear is pretty much the same / worse than my live gear
jovial jewel
Then you got some bombass gear
oblique garnet
well yeah im 417 on live
only thing that would be better pretty much are the trinkets
jovial jewel
Excuse me lol
valid cloak
so blightbourne is op why i cant remember anymore since i rerolled DH from fury lol.
valid cloak
ahh so basically stack crit be a god
oblique garnet
but its uptime is below 20%
jovial jewel
That 29% hard Crit though
oblique garnet
And 3x BoM outperforms blightborne
jovial jewel
Yeah
umbral forge
Late can you explain blightborne build for me?
valid cloak
i now understand why he just parried 1924862389123 times and peaked at a 300k dps at one point
jovial jewel
And parry
oblique garnet
by going crit you also take the least damage
void cairn
Ok so Horde and for M+ ? 😄
jovial jewel
And dmg = survival
oblique garnet
@void cairn blood elf is best for m+
lusty grotto
BE for utility, UD for dmg
valid cloak
so on live for instance whats the best setup you can go since that gear obviously cant be used.
oblique garnet
3x BoM 3x DC
valid cloak
as im slowly gearing a prot war
void cairn
so the new Zand Troll is not worth ok? 😃
valid cloak
to be nerfed by the time i get to push keys haha
valid cloak
still 3xbom/xtc going haste mastery?
lusty grotto
HMT is also superior defensively
but again the differences between them are minimal enough
oblique garnet
ilvl>haste>anything
umbral forge
@void cairn they're all fairly even.
Like Horde doesn't have DID or LF or Nelf.
I suggest Nightborne male, pristine animations.
Belves have AoE dispel.
void cairn
I like Tauren aoe stun but currently I am Orc so I am thinking if its worth to change it 😃
oblique garnet
and passive crit
lusty grotto
shrug, go with whatever you want
oblique garnet
i would change back to belf but im too broke
umbral forge
IT IS THOUGH
Its like being a Human Paladin.
Or a Forsaken Rogue.
lusty grotto
👉 🚪
umbral forge
Nim I thought we were friends
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
goddamn this looks like it will be the week of "gearing tips from MDI"
jovial jewel
Ye#ah okay
lusty grotto
but at least its not leech week
jovial jewel
No I just have a lot of gear lol
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto Its because i gave naowh the ultimate warrior build for free i should have demanded a cut smh
jovial jewel
suggestions tbh to stay alive
jovial jewel
And maintain massive dps
oblique garnet
Well the key thing to doing massive dps
is just to clap really hard
and keep on clapping
lusty grotto
and pot
jovial jewel
Clap clap clap
oblique garnet
potting helps alot
umbral forge
Naowh has 1% leech. Is that why they can pull so much?
jovial jewel
I pot on large pulls
lusty grotto
son of a
umbral forge
Haha sorry
jovial jewel
That 18 sec or so strength is nice
umbral forge
Late already told me to go for 3% leech I know the truth
jovial jewel
If you have some it doesn’t hurt and it doesn’t change anything crazy
oblique garnet
my live stats are all over the place
jovial jewel
Hey
Holt shit that’s basically like me
But I have 405 shield
My run mythic but they want me to get my second wep, anoyyed
I noticed 53% total dodge parry block is below?
I’m around 56%
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto dropped 5 item levels new meta?!
jovial jewel
^^^
lusty grotto
😢
jovial jewel
If you %11xverse healing* damage. The world is limitless
umbral forge
Holy shit
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto enough of the memeing dont do this at home kids its just not worth it like i would have to play with bandages aswell
umbral forge
11% leech
jovial jewel
...
umbral forge
Late can you do a low key and see if It makes you a steamroller, for science?
oblique garnet
yeah if i go for the leech memes i lose 7% haste
so no
it will not make me a steam roller
umbral forge
Aww
umbral forge
Heroics on my unholy dk is the best
jovial jewel
Dungeons
Idk it doesn’t even matter what traits you have after you get to a skill I pug heroic as tank for fun. I know itd be bad to use same traits in mythic raiding thoug
oblique garnet
oh i overgear the content pretty much tho but
jovial jewel
I’m literally a wall in heroic
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet its mentioned in the resource faq section that to go 3 bom and 1 dc for m+ why you saying 3xdc
jovial jewel
Damage
lusty grotto
because 3x dc is a lot of damage
jovial jewel
He’s trolling
oblique garnet
im actually not trolling
you can check that ive been running 3x BoM 3x DC for m+ for quite while now
jovial jewel
K, wtb rogues that have actually learned Add’s and boss methods
I’d be an insane rogue lol
sick sentinel
do you still keep the same survivability doing high keys with that setup or are you bit more squishy
jovial jewel
Bless mdi now pugs can’t tell me I’m wrong on how I want the 2nd boss tanked
oblique garnet
i have no problems doing high keys
if i die its mostly due to a missed kick or me just turning my brain off
jovial jewel
Idk my string of luck. 3rd boss underrot rogue doesn’t soak remaining, and I have too
sick sentinel
ah right cool i may give it ago if i manage to get 3 pieces of gear with the traits
jovial jewel
I only have one character
sick sentinel
btw the spell reflect weak aura doesnt seem to work if any1 is using it
crystal seal
what loa are prot warriors choosing?
oblique garnet
i have bobsalami for raids
but i want to go back to belf
i think paku was the best for m+
crystal seal
thanks guys.... that haste tho
sick sentinel
it's with 5itf stacks
it is 21% without itf
actually using meticulous scheming over CR on my shoulders tho
agile ice
so ive got a 405 prism, which im using for sure, but for the 2nd i have a 400 jess howler or a 400 rezans with a socket, which should i use?
and a 400 block
agile ice
and for rings its just ilvl>all correct?
sick sentinel
I can't go prot lootspec on first boss
sick sentinel
as long as jaina is still alive I will be stuck with this 405 shield forever
agile ice
its a 10 ilvl difference, but ones verse/mas the other is 10 higher and crit/mas
sick sentinel
I am running IF to reach the 42.5% blocked damage in mplus
oblique garnet
as long as jaina is alive im stuck on the bench LUL
got some raid kills due to banwave but now our guild is back to extending on jaina
sick sentinel
feels bad
but yeah I am fury in the raid
I got the 1h only because I went prot lootspec on grong
because prot lootspec takes the trinket out of the loot table
polar condor
if i am carrying a healer
would replacing my rezans eye with lingeringspores 410 worrth it?
my rezan is 400
polar condor
but its just a 10 tho
lusty grotto
pull small then?
polar condor
yea pull small
lusty grotto
you can't carry tyrannical heals
polar condor
for completion
cunning escarp
hey. any good post on spell reflection? new prot warrior here. My google searches are not giving me what I want. Probably garbage in/garbage out issue. Since I am likely searching for poop when I really want to know more about where it works in mythic plus and ones to look out for etc.
cunning escarp
@lusty grotto thank you!
merry cave
Tips for spell reflect: use it and see if it works?
Don't need to be spoon fed everything
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto back to belf ❤
lusty grotto
nice
supple path
Hrm, thoughts on rage vs knot with avoidance? Same ilvl
oblique garnet
knot is nice
supple path
I GUESS i can just give it to this other warrior in the raid
oblique garnet
missed my wailing caverns shield too much
supple path
Poor guy who's rerolling warrior in the guild and was using two trinkets 50 ilvls lower, hah.
lusty grotto
what is your other trinket
dim blaze
Just wanting to confirm on azerite bc I had a 2K tank last night laugh at me for following icy veins... My options:
H1: BFI/IF, Bloodsport/Rezan; H2 BOM/Callous, DC/Dagger - M+ I'm using BOM/DC
dim blaze
Those are my options
dim blaze
Shoulders options are Bloodsport/IF, DC/Swirling - I'm using IF/Swirling bc I don't need 2x DC
Yes those are both 415 helms
Chest I have 2 options: C1 - DC/IF, BOM/Trech
lusty grotto
IF + DC for damage, IF + Swirling for defensiveness
dim blaze
C2 IF/Callous, BFI/Dagger - I'm using BOM/IF
lusty grotto
all of this can be answered in the azerite traits section of the icy veins guide
which is maintained by this discord
there's a list for M+
dusky mica
IF is pretty shit for M+
dim blaze
Ok that's what I thought but I'm following that list and a 2K tank was all over me about how stupid I was and I shouldn't be running IF at all in M+
dim blaze
Because when I crit block I'm wasting the IF anyways
dusky mica
nah
lusty grotto
yeah you're dead wrong
dusky mica
you're block capped anyway
lusty grotto
No, you're not
dim blaze
Different tank, but this was the same conversation as last night
dusky mica
IF is just making your passive blocks better by a small amount
lusty grotto
.....................
passive blocks?
what the fuck lol
you have a chance to crit block, you're not always crit blocking
dusky mica
crit blocks are capped at 85%
dusky mica
in terms of damage reduced
lusty grotto
thats 85% DR, not chance
dusky mica
yes
so when SB is up your capped assuming you crit block, without any IF traits
so it comes down to mastery rng
lusty grotto
correct
dusky mica
and I'd rather take BSport given the choice
lusty grotto
with a 415 shield
dim blaze
I'm capped on crit block in M+ with just my shield so his point was that I don't need IF in M+
Because I have 415 shield
dusky mica
IF has some value still but I value Bsport more in dungeons given the choice
dusky mica
but most of the time you just stack Bastion anyway so it doesnt matter
rapid trench
dim blaze
Yeah don't have the BOM on shoulders, but his point was IF is mostly wasted so at least run DC for damage in that slot or bloodsport for defense
lusty grotto
IF is not wasted
YOU DONT CRIT BLOCK ALL THE TIME
with 2369 mastery (3x BoM) i have a 64% to crit block
thats only in avatar windows
23.9% with 572 mastery without avatar up
guess what happens the remaining percent? you don't crit block
M+ has a high number of physical hits
higher than spells, since those are avoidable via interrupts for the most part - with the exception of the last two bosses of ML
dropping IF for BS is an incorrect decision
dim blaze
Thanks that's helpful going back to Icy Veins tier list
lusty grotto
furthermore, Bloodsport has absolutely 0 offensive value
whereas IF, still has a damage shield component
dusky mica
it's garbage but sure
lusty grotto
you're still wrong
dusky mica
I mean the damage reflect is garbage
lusty grotto
anything is better than nothing
oblique garnet
its still more damage than from bs
dusky mica
ofc
oblique garnet
also dont take anything from 2k io players seriously im 2.4k and im bad at the game
dim blaze
Last question b/c IV doesn't address this too well. Would you use Swirling Sands or a 2nd DC. I don't have much of another option til I get a new pair of shoulders.
lusty grotto
dc for damage, sands for defense
dim blaze
just doing mostly 15s in M+ so gonna go for dmg
oblique garnet
theres no harm in going full damage even in higher keys
theres no real downside to it
dusky mica
I;ve never tested swirling sands, never had the chance
oblique garnet
its meh
dusky mica
We would kinda suck at extending it, unless you stacked crit on your gear
are we in April 1st yet?
Time for leech chat?
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto im gonna drop 5 ilvls for leech and run a dungeon to prove just how bad it is
vocal quiver
example log:
My hps as prot warrior never seems to exceed 5-7k.
I see the majority do about 10k+, can anyone identify why?
Lorom
torn sleet
is meticulous scheming any good? it's either that or Reckless Fury for one of my rings 😦
dusky mica
is reckless fury the adds 900 dmg to auto attack thing?
dusky mica
usually does ok single target
torn sleet
but for pushing m+ which would be better overall? thinking of meticulous
lusty grotto
not RF
torn sleet
kk thanks guys
lusty grotto
meticulous scheming over what?
dusky mica
reckless fury
torn sleet
oh no it was just for like ONE ring. the other choices wouldn't have worked out at all
desert ice
Cyclone strike wasnt on me but I still died to it, anyone know why?
torn sleet
well it's too late because i selected meticulous but the other choices were Deafening Crash (which I had on another piece and wasn't worth reforging) and striking the anvil which is useless for prot. so, it came down to meticulous or reckless flurry
daring marlin
torn sleet
but i thought you only need 1x DC?
lusty grotto
you asked about damage though
more DC is more damage
you only need 1 DC for defensive purposes
...or at least i assumed you are asking about damage as you said RF (which does absolutely nothing defensive wise)
torn sleet
ahhhh yeah you're right. oh well. I'll wait till my reforge costs go down because they're past 1.2k gold now
trim bay
On another note may I ask what everyone's versatility mastery and crit are sitting at stat wise?
lusty grotto
doesn't matter
ilvl > all
so you will have a lot of different numbers which will serve you no purpose
trim bay
I see
ornate wagon
Hi all, new to prot warrior figured id stop in and see if we had a FAQ before i start asking dumb questions about azerite traits etc
kind glen
What he said
ornate wagon
i found something in the pins, mainly weighing bastion of might against generic dmg traits and DC x 3 vs DC x 1 and Bloodsport x 2