also balancing takes sims into consideration
#protection
undone sun
lusty grotto
You're summoning bladesong lol
undone sun
chilly brook
@lusty grotto probably because those will always exist because that’s how RPGs and stats have always worked, people will do the math to find out how to optimize
So you’re not going to stop it without removing the systems in the first place
lusty grotto
That's weird in itself though, I wlhope they have their own systems to Sim and aren't using simcraft cause thatd be sad
daring marlin
I'd love if they just axed TF garbage, put sockets on gear again and let us reforge. Let higher M+ drop higher than the current cap it has and all that.
People that play casually can learn and do well in M+ just fine
if they don't wanna raid
lusty grotto
Yup Griff not disagreeing with you
daring marlin
The endless cycle of chasing the dragon of TF shit is cancer.
chilly brook
TBH they need to rework the gear for m+
wary gyro
Yeah m+ in general just doesnt feel particularly rewarding fishing for the titanforges
dusky mica
M+ is too rewarding as it is
modern brook
who the fuck grinds for titan forges ??
chilly brook
It’s just plain not interesting when your BiS is the same item that you had the whole expansion but you’re forced to fish for the same item with a slightly higher ilvl every season
undone sun
👏
daring marlin
@dusky mica Here you are talking that nonsense again.
modern brook
why would u do that to urself
junior ivy
NEW VIDEO CARDDDDDDDD
sick sentinel
I mean I push keys because it’s fun, not because I hope I get a TF
daring marlin
M+ isn't rewarding at all.
daring marlin
Maybe if you're gearing a new character.
wary gyro
I pretty much only do it for the rewards I dont really enjoy it in and of itself
daring marlin
sick sentinel
If you’re pushing anything above 10’s, you’re doing it because you enjoy M+, not because you’re fishing for TF
junior ivy
🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦
sand egret
I do M+ purely for the reward structure
chilly brook
TBH what it should have been imo was given you tokens that you can use similar to the old Wrath tokens to progress that way
sand egret
actually.
sick sentinel
Otherwise you’d be spamming 9’s
wary gyro
Actually doing 15+ gives more pieces of loot thus giving more chances at forging
chilly brook
M+ itself is a good addition
The way it interacts with the gearing system not so much
modern brook
thats some pussy shit tbh
sick sentinel
It’s faster to just spam 9’s or 10’s than do 15+ for rewards..
sand egret
it's like the only deterministic thing in the game
chilly brook
You hurt me bull
daring marlin
So because it has a higher chance of TF bullshit(just because there's more garbage dropping) that makes it rewarding?
modern brook
🤷
sand egret
define what a reward is to you?
chilly brook
M+ gear isn’t rewarding at all
sand egret
because that's a super subjective statment
chilly brook
It’s the same boring items
sick sentinel
They’re talking about gearing rewards blade
sick sentinel
But if you’re doing 16-18 you’re doing it for personal rewards
modern brook
why the fuck are u playing wow for items
sick sentinel
IO or satisfaction
modern brook
????????
daring marlin
There's nothing rewarding at all. At least in Legion you had the incentive of GOOD AP farm and legendaries to farm.
sick sentinel
You’re already geared enough you’re not praying for TF’s
daring marlin
There's NOTHING rewarding about BFA M+ other than pushing your score up.
chilly brook
Since when have you not wanted to get better items or more powerful in an RPG? Hello
sand egret
that's just not true
modern brook
yall are acting like theres 0 reason to play the game if the ilvl doesnt increase after
sick sentinel
^
modern brook
and then talk shit about them just increasing the ilvl every season
dusky mica
You had a higher chance at legendary items in m0 than M+
modern brook
🤷
wary gyro
I mean I know a fair number of people who do grind m+ specifically for the chance at higher ilvl
chilly brook
You’re missing what I’m saying bull
daring marlin
@dusky mica good thing you can only do one of each M0 a week
chilly brook
That actually went straight over your head
daring marlin
4head
sand egret
I don't raid nor want to. The fact that I can still get a 415 piece of azerite that I want deterministically is the exact reward I want.
chilly brook
I don’t mind the ilvl going up
sand egret
So saying it has no rewards is frankly, ignorant as fuck
daring marlin
Blade that's all fine and good. The only rewarding thing about M+ is exactly what you said. The weekly box.
chilly brook
The problem is the fact that the way rewards are structured in m+ makes it entirely uninteresting and boring af
daring marlin
Even that isn't that rewarding outside the residuum.
wary gyro
I really dislike the way azerite interacts with hearing in general
sand egret
it's more than the weekly box though
astral crystal
m+ is pretty thankless, only real reward is imaginary internet points
sand egret
the box is the guarantee
daring marlin
It's not.
astral crystal
wish they'd add some fuccin comsetic rewards
daring marlin
What do you get out of M+? That CHANCE at something that might TF?
sand egret
that's literally the entire ggame
daring marlin
99% of the time you're just getting more scrap material.
wary gyro
You get 0 residuum outside of the box from m+
lusty grotto
shrug
sand egret
so what you're saying is that WoW isn't rewarding.
daring marlin
400-405 forever
junior ivy
daring marlin
epic
modern brook
this is a lame can tbh
chilly brook
@astral crystal that’s what I’m getting at, m+ has been a net negative on the reward front
daring marlin
I'm saying M+ isn't rewarding.
modern brook
ping me if someone has a question
junior ivy
WHATS ANTHEM
daring marlin
Raid is much more rewarding.
daring marlin
uh, yes?
chilly brook
What’s the purpose of doing content if there’s nothing rewarding about it?
lusty grotto
pushing keys is rewarding in itself
daring marlin
If you make the claim you're doing M+ for potential loot upgrades past 400 you're lying.
lusty grotto
at least for me
chilly brook
Not to me
lusty grotto
but again that's subjective
sand egret
uh
lusty grotto
like bladesong said
chilly brook
It’s just some imaginary number that I don’t care about
modern brook
@chilly brook thats why u unsubbed 🤷 ur playing the game for sick loot
we're playing the game to play the game
chilly brook
The game isn’t good lul
lusty grotto
yeah
modern brook
chilly brook
Why would I play an average game just to play the game
lusty grotto
cause its a game
modern brook
sick sentinel
Ladys lady lady's
It doesn't matter what u do in game
One day wow is going to end and all the grinding u have done and ever will done will all go away
lusty grotto
and youre supposed to like it enough to keep playing without the carrot on a stick
chilly brook
When there are other MMOs that do the RPG element far better
modern brook
I dont like the game is literally the best reason to unsub from the game
modern brook
personally, i like the game
modern brook
thats why im subbed
daring marlin
@lusty grotto That's why I do M+.
I don't give a fuck about the carrot on the stick.
lusty grotto
"game is bad" is an opinion, and therefore subjective
daring marlin
I do M+ because I find it fun.
lusty grotto
its not a fact
daring marlin
The loot is pointless.
lusty grotto
lets make sure we understand that
wary gyro
I push keys exclusively for weekly chest and to make it easier to get keys on alts I'm gearing
daring marlin
The chance of an upgrade for me is nill.
astral crystal
yeah idk i personally cant imagine a reason to play this game outside of raids
lusty grotto
i barely raid
daring marlin
If you want actual loot upgrades raid is the way to go.
chilly brook
I mean if you’re sitting here banning some of the biggest evangelists for your game because they used an xp potion for 31 days I think you’ve got some problems
sick sentinel
They same reason u do raiding is the same reason people do M+
lusty grotto
i do heroic with a guild that decided to invite me, and mythic champs, thats it
daring marlin
Not hoping for M+ gigaforging
sand egret
and I totally disagree yet we play the same game...it's almost like this game has to appeal to a lot of people's subjective opinions...
sick sentinel
For gear and prestige
lusty grotto
OH NO
modern brook
Stop making it about things that tis not about dude
sick sentinel
It doesn't matter what aspect of wow ur doing, it's going to always be about prestige
undone sun
🤦
lusty grotto
thats not entirely true inr
chilly brook
All I’m sayin’ is if I only cared about the loot I would have stopped playing legion way before BFA came out but I was engrossed af in the content all the way up until BFA came out
wary gyro
This whole conversation is 100% subjective in the first place
modern brook
chilly brook
Loot is just the straw that broke this camels back
lusty grotto
which is not a fact, and does not apply to everyone
dusky mica
One hump or two?
sick sentinel
Ten
chilly brook
It’s a pretty universal fact that classes are worse than they were
sick sentinel
Eh
lusty grotto
thats basically the main issue i have with sites like reddit, whatever the hivemind deems worthy of an upvote is supposedly taken as a fact, when it is not
wary gyro
Unless you're a shadow priest
sick sentinel
Eh
dusky mica
reddit is for idiots though
chilly brook
Imo dungeons are less enjoyable in BFA than they were in Legion
lusty grotto
thats fine griff
in your case unsubbing was more than warranted hehe, and you don't need to give us reasons to understand that
chilly brook
At least WoW is more of a game than Star Citizen could ever hope to be omegalul
lusty grotto
yikes lol
yo there was someone new typing, was there a question?
dont be scared
prot warriors never scared
(cough just pop berserker rage)
chilly brook
Yea don’t let me scare you, I’m probably bipolar cuz my dad is
sick sentinel
Peepee poopoo I am stinky boi
Do we use leech
dusky mica
I'd like some leech
weary thorn
I heard leech works best when paired with merektha's
oblique garnet
https://tenor.com/w3iv.gif STOP TRYING TO MAKE LEECH A THING
weary thorn
lol
oblique garnet
leech is not worth
lusty grotto
gottem
honest frigate
Higher keys it’s better to lust rezan/yazma/a big trash pack
oblique garnet
unless you somehow manage to get 10%+ leech without sacrificing ilvls
winter aspen
Gonk Gang checking in
dusky mica
you cant have it both ways
wary gyro
If you want to use leech so bad just reroll healer
oblique garnet
@honest frigate on fortified lust trash on tyrannical lust bosses
lusty grotto
😎
chilly brook
Sometimes I feel like it would make sense if I was with some of the things my dad talks about regarding the characteristics especially the lack of impulse/self control I’m so bad with money
chilly brook
Lul
honest frigate
Not worth imo to lust volkaal even on tyrannical unless it’s necrotic
lusty grotto
i dont have impulse control sometimes but, i keep it pretty mild
the other end is the one that fucks me up
desert ice
Does this discord talk about anything other than arguing about leech.
lusty grotto
😠
chilly brook
Sure
oblique garnet
@honest frigate yeah you can lust the pack downstairs this week
volkaal is imo wasted lust
lusty grotto
ye
honest frigate
But there’s a bunch of routes that are viable in atal that it doesn’t matter what you lust as long as you lust yazma
lusty grotto
lust downstairs with 2 rogues ftw
dusky mica
I heard wednesdays are avoidance days
lusty grotto
lmao
oblique garnet
yazma lust on tyrannical purely because the fight is so fucking long on higher keys
bronze lantern
volkaal lust is always wasted unless its necro, then you can make an argument for it
desert ice
The timings in Atal work out where you have a lot of time to use lust w/o losing one so it’s ok to hold for a bit.
bronze lantern
or grievous even
chilly brook
@desert ice what would you like to talk about friend?
desert ice
Question about council boss, did a 20 Kr yesterday, where do y’all think is the optimal place to tank the axe lady?
chilly brook
Middle imo
desert ice
I usually do middle but also know sometimes people do a side.
wary gyro
I always hold her dead center
chilly brook
Same
last gust
+1 for center
desert ice
Yea that’s what I do but I see people do her where she spawns sometimes and keep her there. Didn’t know why.
lusty grotto
ya center ftw
dusky mica
Ranged still have to dodge wherever you tank it
chilly brook
It’s just less of a hassle in the middle
neon tangle
I always do center
dusky mica
melee is easy, out then in, afk
neon tangle
But occasionally I get a rager that I don't do it on the side
wary gyro
It doesnt matter a whole lot as long as you dont move it to a different spot mid fight
chilly brook
@dusky mica ranged can do the same as melee
neon tangle
my healers and everyone just stack up together and move in/out
dusky mica
aye but they usually wont
chilly brook
Yep what Sad said
wary gyro
I always do when playing ranged for that fight
dusky mica
they do the half way thing of standing 15 yrds aways to finish their casts
chilly brook
Dat autocorrect tho
TBH prolly more of a DPS loss for them to not stack in mid
Actually
That being said ranged should be able to start in dead center and not have any problems
dusky mica
aye
honest frigate
That being said if you have a heavy ranged comp, side is better because they can get huge uptime on her during lust on tyrannical weeks if you lust her
They legit don’t have to move for like 15-20 secs if they’re standing far enough away
chilly brook
Start slightly outside center as ranged stutter step in inbetween casts and then stutter step out again and win
honest frigate
Most do Center cause meta is melee though
dusky mica
They haven't fixed the DH jumping off the side cheese yet right?
sick sentinel
wdym @dusky mica
chilly brook
Not sure what you’re referencing
jade holly
No they didnt fix the dh thing
You can still jump off during charge and the boss wont move
dawn shuttle
Hey boys, just curious on your thoughts about Rezan's Eye (400) Vs Ramping Gigavolt Engine (400)
dawn shuttle
Refracting PRism
dawn shuttle
I've been leaning towards RAGE due to the fact I can macro it in to avatar and have it be up every second one like vial
lusty grotto
so you can probably use RAGE
id be inclined to use RAGE paired with Diamond for sure
but don't destroy rezan in case you want a dps combo
dawn shuttle
For sure
lusty grotto
the problem with using RAGE defensively, is that if you have it macro like you said
you won't have it available at other moments
so basically the defensiveness is limited to avatar
if that's not a problem, then go for it
dawn shuttle
This is very true the rezan's has a socket as well
lusty grotto
actually
i might go back into what i said
it depends on how many seconds you get more haste from it
vs rezan's
this is defensively only
only due to the ramp up nature of it
so if you get more time with rezan's proc up than you would with equal or higher haste from RAGE, rezan might be stronger defensively... perhaps others can chime in
last gust
Would be interested to know the expected uptime of Rezan's
lusty grotto
yeah so overall rezan > RAGE defensively
dusty tusk
Rezan proc rate is pretty bad, and way too random. My main is an unholy dk in raids, and it's pretty often that it doesn't proc during the initial 30s. And thats with RAGE, lust, and unholy frenzy up..
lusty grotto
at 10 seconds is when RAGE exceeds rezan
that leaves you 8 seconds only vs 15 seconds
dusty tusk
Avatar will gain the full benefit of RAGE everytime though, that makes it so good
last gust
That's assuming 1 proc per 1.5 mins
plain verge
Does anyone know if there is a list of blockable / spell reflect-able abilities in m+ dungeons?
lusty grotto
rezan is 1 ppm
#268491842637660160 @plain verge
compared to the 90seconds of RAGE
its clearly superior defensive-wise only - as RAGE is superior offensive-wise @dawn shuttle
lusty grotto
plain verge
I am dumb 😃
dusty tusk
Use the WA, better than memorizing a bunch of spells at first, you can look through it after you're more familiar
modern brook
Thays like saying u should study after the test
dull coral
is our rage from damage taken pre-mitt or post-mitt?
lusty grotto
afaik, rage is not dependent on the damage magnitude so it really doesn't matter when its taken
lusty grotto
yeah
undone sun
so post or pre, it doesn't matter
dull coral
my level 30 warrior (while not attacking just standing still) is getting +3 rage more often than once a second
with 5 mobs on me
dusty tusk
@modern brook its more like starting a game before reading advanced tips online
neon tangle
@dull coral you also get rage from auto attacks
dull coral
(while not attacking just standing still)
lusty grotto
pretty sure you can get autoattacked more than once in one second doesn't matter
dull coral
it's based on melees taken on a 1s icd
lusty grotto
the rage gain is on a 1icd
dull coral
getting +3 rage more often than once a second
lusty grotto
so if you get 3 auto attacks in a second this is wrong guys, it doesn't matter how many times you get attacked
dull coral
wow
umbral forge
oh jesus christ how terrifying
zinc rose
What zandalari racial should i go w ith for m+ keys in like 15-17 range?
sick sentinel
Paku
lusty grotto
do you have logs for this rage gain you claim?
dull coral
So you're telling me blizzard implemented an internal cooldown for a rage generation mechanic and then made it completely null and void by letting you generate 3 rage for every auto attack you receive anyway
lusty grotto
believe it or not, resource gains are i/o intensive
not to mention desync issues with server->client
so an icd is a solution to that
that's why most intervals like ICDs are placed in these games
roughly a second between gains, and a log to boot
so hopefully you can prove your claim
lusty grotto
i mean, i understand its lvl 30, but the best way to back something up is with a log
dull coral
Almost all of his Rage events "from [name]'s Rage" are less than a second apart
~0.7
checkmate athiest
lusty grotto
*atheist
dull coral
thats something an athiest would say
sick sentinel
My point still stands, why do you care. It's level 30 not max
lusty grotto
but hey if it is .7, then sure let it be .7
dusty tusk
Seems to be about .8 on average, might be affected by haste?
dusty tusk
Would make sense in this case, as its resource generation
sick sentinel
[Mchimba's Ritual Bandages][Bwonsamdi's Bargain][Grong's Primal Rage] whats the best for keys?
dusty tusk
1st 2
sick sentinel
or should i just make alch stone
dusty tusk
Alc stone would be better
lusty grotto
bargain is trash too
sick sentinel
danka
timid jay
Are you guys prepared for this month's spicy AMR memes?
sick sentinel
got [Vial of Animated Blood]400ilvl feelsgood
lusty grotto
my body is ready
lusty grotto
LMAO
undone sun
😓
timid jay
Also NS
undone sun
cosmo releasing the plague
lusty grotto
ahahaha
timid jay
Gotta wake the machine early
mortal brook
oh is it noon already? can we start trolling again?
lusty grotto
look at how good bounding is
undone sun
almost noon on the west coast NA
lusty grotto
xD
lusty grotto
yesss ravager meme time
timid jay
Survivability
ocean acorn
some one say spicy?
ocean acorn
wtf is this shit
timid jay
you think ravager + NS is better than bolstyer+AM
for raid tanking
it boggles the mind
undone sun
i can't fucking understand their train of thought
ocean acorn
how does it determine these values
undone sun
even on FUCKING PAPER IT'S FLAWED
ocean acorn
do they just throw darts at a board and say this is the score for this talent?
ocean acorn
u rite
undone sun
blizzard does that with balance, and they do a better job
sick sentinel
Man I've seen blessed, cursed, bluressd and clessed images before
But holy shit that's a cursed image right there
primal crypt
@lusty grotto ❤
I got promoted at work, they got me studying for new state licenses :/
sick sentinel
Did also say leech is our best stat to on AMR
primal crypt
Sorry for not being around
lusty grotto
you missed the 50%party
sick sentinel
Cause it's meme here but if they are going to put ravager as bis I wouldn't be shocked if they actually said leech is best stat
sick sentinel
Holy shit
Are they actually going to say leech is good
Ask Mr Robot is a fucking shit show holy shit
undone sun
yup
lusty grotto
i feel bad for them
but honestly they should just let the discord communities alter their APLs or whatever
though they use some weird sim models
sick sentinel
I remember during ant when I had only 3 pieces of t21 it recommend me to not use the 2 piece in favor of off pieces for the stats
sterile pecan
i just pulled a 405shield with socket from Atal dazar but i already have a 410shield from underrot
lusty grotto
Discord communities: please destroy your tank sims, stick to damage
sterile pecan
can any of you help with which is better
lusty grotto
always ilvl on shields .... and just about everything else but the most important is shields
you can't gem block value
sterile pecan
alright thanks
sick sentinel
Does AMR get it's info from noxxic, the supreme class guide website?
sick sentinel
Damn lol
lime mantle
Idk what AMR is but I am upsets
timid jay
So
Talking to them
Seems like they missed a small piece of logic to not use SB while LS is up with bolster
or something along those lines
🤔
jovial haven
AMR=Ask Mr Robot @lime mantle
lime mantle
@jovial haven more like Am Mr. Retard by those suggestions.
Christ my head hurts now.
jovial haven
there's a reason most people have steered away from it lol
weary veldt
i use the addon for auto logging in raid 😅
sick sentinel
If they fuck something as simple as not using SB during bolster, I'd imagine they'd somehow fuck up logs
And that's only half joking
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/9ccSGHK.png
this is how much healing leech did for me in a 15 Atal.
I have 1% leech.
Don't even try to tell me its useless.
(this is a joke post I was just curious)
lusty grotto
😡
clear cradle
84 hps??! Brb stacking leech
oblique garnet
@ocean acorn You were participating in the mdi east right?
sick sentinel
@umbral forge for a second I thought that was an IV trait
But then I remembered it's not useless like leech
clear cradle
Poggers. I'm gonna drop 10ilvl on my shield for leech
empty inlet
so 10% leech is 21% 🤔
sick sentinel
Late is going for that 100 parse in raid healing
umbral forge
I'm going to build a leech set
And stack bloodsport
just to prove a point
tawny sphinx
Spell reflect fixed first boss tempel?
jade holly
anyone else get fucked by rixxa fluxflame
only if its not targetting you @tawny sphinx
tawny sphinx
No, I did just recent, 5 min ago, it target rogue 2 times, did not work
Or it got reflected, but i took dmg
umbral forge
you didn't stand inside him
jade holly
^
oblique garnet
you took hit from the others while reflecting one
tawny sphinx
I did
oblique garnet
it doesnt all hit you at the same time
jade holly
You're reflecting one but not all
tawny sphinx
Ok, thanks.
ocean acorn
@oblique garnet i was in west but we couldnt get our grp to do the first time trials since my 3/5of my team is still in school and had midterms
oblique garnet
unlucky
jovial haven
which do you get triggered by more @lusty grotto fang or leech? lol
ocean acorn
lusty grotto
leech for now
ocean acorn
My leech for 19 fh
jovial haven
just had to ask Chip
lusty grotto
😡
ocean acorn
What i do
lusty grotto
i have a short attention span and didn't scrollup, so i took your leech image instead
😡
jovial haven
I have to say, I have gotten some good laughs today from Chip over all the leech talk
lusty grotto
we need a revenge and IP emoji here to spend rage when capped boys
ashen sparrow
hey for m+ schoud i go with 3x BoM 1x IF 2x DC or should i go with 3x BoM 2x IF 1x DC?
lusty grotto
defensive the latter, offensive the former
zinc rose
In inderrot first boss, use SR on add or boss?
vast sedge
Add it almost kills itself if you reflect it
lusty grotto
hmm
jovial haven
chip with some lawyer talk up there LOL
lusty grotto
its tyrannical week, rather have more dmg on boss
but yeah that's a good point
perhaps getting the add down faster is better
vast sedge
Guess we have diff opinions. We didn’t have to worry about interrupting it and boss since I just reflected it and it died
lusty grotto
yeah
i think you probably are right
sounds about right to me, so used to only reflect boss though
have to alter my strats now
bring up the team board and show the pros and cons with powerpoint slides
😉
but seriously, i think if add goes down faster, its overall more damage on boss in the long run perhaps?
oblique garnet
how is your last stand that low on 19? o.O
ocean acorn
im running only 2 bom even tho i can have 3 just cuz i like BS for extra magic damage stuff
i wasnt running in to gaps
lusty grotto
hmm might need to reforge on necrotic weeks 😉
ocean acorn
i only really use it cover the gaps in block and i have like 1600 haste so it doesnt happen often
lusty grotto
but i mean i wouldn't go BS over BoM
oblique garnet
i wouldnt go bloodsport on anything but motherlode
oblique garnet
how long was that fh?
because on the 16 i did i used ls 13 times and it was 24 minutes
shell pulsar
ocean acorn
it was a pretty sloppy run since i was running with guildies
35 min
and i didnt have a rogue
ocean acorn
or any stealth class for the dog rp
oblique garnet
but we only shrouded to skip 1 pack
ocean acorn
so we cleared the whole dog area after the bridge which took alot of time
and ended with extra %
oblique garnet
i guess
ocean acorn
we totally went in
oblique garnet
you still should have more last stands then i
ocean acorn
forgetting about teeming
oh your right i should probably
only used it 11 times
our run could have been so much better but we kinda just rushed it in after raid
do u have logs late?
may i peek at them?
we can trade lol
but im not very good
oblique garnet
my logs wont work have to check if anyone in the squad logged
purely comparing your logs to my details
ocean acorn
oh lol
most the time i try to save last stand for bigger pulls so i think i just sit with it for awhile
i definitely should use it more but i thinki try to time it more with teams cds so ican get a good multi pack pull in
ocean acorn
i understand
i think i have been using it when i have no shield block charges left
so i use it to refill
oblique garnet
@ocean acorn thats how i use it aswell
but like you should still have it more often than that ^^
unless you do small pulls with alot of gaps then i could see that
daring marlin
I usually blow last stand if I see myself dip somewhat on big pulls because like you said
It’ll be up every pack
ocean acorn
i normally dont run in to gaps very often
daring marlin
But the goal is to fill gaps in sb lol
ocean acorn
like gaps in shield block time
daring marlin
ye
lavish oracle
Sometimes I use it at the start of a big pull so I can more readily dump rage into IP
ocean acorn
i dont think i have ever dont that
daring marlin
Haven’t done that either since BoM gives you a free IP on use and between that and DS you’ll be swimming in rage.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lavish oracle
You can run through IP really quickly on high damage pulls
daring marlin
I know. But you have plenty of gen in big pulls.
lavish oracle
The example that most readily comes to mind is mass pulling the pig hallway in WCM, huge spike of magic damage near the start of the pull from spits and like 2 dozen mobs that will be dead before you need the extra block uptime
daring marlin
Could always SW that
wooden radish
@ionic fern i rood on this ask mistor roobot site that i should be usin neva surrenda.
undone sun
ook ook
light rune
So, what's a good race for warrior?
daring marlin
yes
sick sentinel
^^
vocal skiff
Imagine having a group that fails the death skip on motherlode and having to clear almost the entire dungeon
sick sentinel
I've been there
undone sun
isn't really a bad race, all passives are marginal at most and the on-uses depends more on the content you're doing if at all
belf and zanda are generally good choices for horde
nefl and dwarf(normal and dark) for alli
but again doesn't mean much ¯_(ツ)_/¯
last gust
https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-guide#what-race-should-i-play-as-a-protection-warrior - Some info here to consider, but I agree with the above. Any differences are marginal.
I've enjoyed having Bull Rush more than I thought I would.
static socket
is it good to have triple BoM?
oblique garnet
Embrace of Kimbul is slightly better for maximizing single target DPS
WRONG
also lepan said that he started writing the guide before reaping became what it is
so some traits such as vampiric speed is rated lower than it s
strong forum
i prefer engi helmet cuz B.O.M.B. is insane dmg and absorbatron is deadass broken
so im only running 2x BoM
but ye in general 3x BoM isnt gonna hurt you
analog swift
I feel like the gizmo is so much better tho as I don’t think the bombs scale with stats but strength and haste will
strong forum
idk fam, bombs did 2m dungeon in freehold 18
dont think you get 4% dmg upgrade from RNG
i played RNG for quite a bit, but bombs is more fun
west kayak
That and the animation is awesome!
strong forum
once i get into high keys i will play the SSC for 5% DR though
dense flame
How do players do second boss without prot war intercept in FH high tyran keys?
strong forum
idk we grugged it
dense flame
Shit hurts even on 17/18’s
dense flame
Well I mean you only have so many external/personals
Without a personal I imagine you will get one shot
strong forum
na
how else would they do it
if they would get 1shot
they have like 2x resounding protection
mage has blink and frost armor
warlock is giga tanky
and theres ways to line of sight it
at the big house
dense flame
Does the LOS still work?
strong forum
ye it did
dense flame
Do you just tank near the house and move as boss casts it?
strong forum
well the ranged players do
melee should just survive it
or do same
havent fully figured out freehold 1st and 2nd boss tbh
minor vapor
Which should I use?
astral crystal
4 0 5
analog swift
@strong forum May sounds dumb but how the shit do you react that fast to intercept?
analog swift
Idk why I tagged you that was stupid
Yeha I have it just as soon as I see it in my screen bam. Maybe am bad
strong forum
also
this WA is giga helpful with those casts
it displays the targeted player above the nameplate
strong forum
gratz
vocal skiff
Now to wonder between vial, rezan and butcher's block
only the latter is 410, the rest is 400
static socket
im using opulence trinket as a default and swapping between rezan and vial 420 socketed
should i go rezan and vial?
dusty warren
Guys, noob question, against caster in trash need to use Shield Lock or just Ignore Pain? I've seen one top stream using shield block and another not.
undone sun
If it's specifically magic only, defensively only ip is needed, sb is really just for ss increased damage
slow kiln
Crit haste and 5 ilvls higher ..seems like a no brainer to me. Leech cant be worth that much lol
static socket
is butcher's block a good trinket?
dusty warren
@undone sun ty
gleaming rock
Whats your opinion on brace for impact
supple path
Great for raids and single target mitigation. Pretty poor for m+
oblique garnet
@dense flame the key to freeholds 2nd boss is to not whore the debuffs this week
jolly is completely useless as companion
ocean acorn
Have u done 20 underot @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
yes
ocean acorn
I got that and it doesnt sound great for my team on second boss
oblique garnet
whats your comp?
ocean acorn
Lately with my guild its been warrior hpriest ww dk bm
oblique garnet
oof
rocky breach
hey friends, does anyone have the link to Sense's spreadsheet that shows blockable/spell reflectable abilities in dungeons?
undone sun
ocean acorn
oblique garnet
rocky breach
ur all cute
ocean acorn
Thanks
oblique garnet
There are some abilities that are wrong unless sense has updated it
empty inlet
ehe no rogue isn't bad on underrot
oblique garnet
I.e thorned barrage is not reflectable
my only issue i can see you having is that your priest will not survive the tantrum
ocean acorn
We have problems historically on tantrum 3
empty inlet
p sure on 20 tyranical you get a 4th maybe a 5th so
ocean acorn
Ya they have no dr so after the cds are used they kinda just fall
oblique garnet
you only get 3 on 20 tyrannical
empty inlet
than we must suck
oblique garnet
if your dps is good then 3
ocean acorn
Ya we get like 3
oblique garnet
this is assuming you lust the 2nd
dense flame
Do you tend to keep the boss in the center after the initial pull? Any benefit of bringing back into the corner?
ocean acorn
Like it dies mid third if ppl dont suck and die some how
supple path
You can bait charges to run into a wall and not move or spread out leeches as much
dense flame
So it’s still worth trying to bring the boss back over?
oblique garnet
yes
dense flame
Do you recommend lusting 2nd boss? Over first?
oblique garnet
you lust 1st 2nd and last
empty inlet
you should lust both
ocean acorn
I have been tanking in middle so i can heroic leep the indigestion
supple path
Yeah just go past second boss + clear trash until sated off
empty inlet
first boss is a joke for a prot warrior though
oblique garnet
unless you miss a kick
dense flame
Cool cool. Yeah, the reflect is nice
supple path
Yeah but what else are you going to lust lala? having it sit on CD not being used for 8 minutes is the worst use
oblique garnet
^
empty inlet
i would lust first
neon tangle
@supple path Some groups pull the triple pack at the start and lust it
empty inlet
i can see pulling 2 matron togather and lust
neon tangle
oh wait we're not talking about FH any more
dense flame
First boss actually annoying lol
dense flame
What you mean?
dense flame
Sorry, not sure how that enables a LOS. 😦
empty inlet
i think nagura was doing a fh yesterday
you can go behind the fence and los the shot before it comes out
balmy narwhal
is there a cap for haste?
undone sun
Not reachable
balmy narwhal
like should i aim for as much haste as possible or would 36% would be good and i can enchant vers and other stuff
aah ok
like i have 36% haste right now, but I can enchant my ring with haste or vers
my vers beig 7%
undone sun
Yup, still haste
balmy narwhal
ok ty
scarlet basalt
Think I can tank the first two bosses on mythic with just 396ilvl
No tank trinkets 😭
dense flame
Makes sense Lala. Is there a way to get the poop to bait to the range still? Seems like in nagura case it was pretty consistent on them.
empty inlet
i think they just got lucky but usually when the bird charges to melee you need to have a person step out to bait
dense flame
Ty
scarlet basalt
I’m running big red button and Ivan trinket ilvl 395
oblique garnet
@dense flame the same principles apply on baiting the bird
neon tangle
@scarlet basalt a lot of the value of a trinket is baked in to the flat str on it, I wouldn't worry too much about it
scarlet basalt
Ah I see
neon tangle
I mean, depends on the trinket, but it's not going to make or break the first couple bosses for you
neon tangle
^^^^ that too
lusty grotto
because most tank loot spec trinkets are absolute trash
oblique garnet
im big fan of bobsalami
lusty grotto
😡
lusty grotto
yo, im gonna make a 3x TC set and equip bobsalami just for the lul
oblique garnet
im only 405 equipped but 17% leech man
lusty grotto
be like WEW bobsalami saved me, oh nope
oblique garnet
also with siphoning
neon tangle
@lusty grotto At least TC is a valid option
umbral forge
Bobsalami is really useless to me cause it proccs before Guardian Spirit.
oblique garnet
(Disclaimer, dont take anything i just wrote seriously, I dont endorse dropping ilvl for leech im only memeing)
neon tangle
too late, already applied siphoning
umbral forge
Also late I've done 13 keys now but havent found any leech items yet
How much leech do you advertise?
I dont think perkele is a number
oblique garnet
Every day thousands of protection warriors are dying due to siphoning, only you can prevent these deaths by spreading awarness of our lord and savior quick navigation.
silk mortar
🤔
oblique garnet
Leech is a nice bonus but its not really relevant until you get 10%
umbral forge
Shouldnt we use the weapon enchant that heals us
For more stronger leech
oblique garnet
No
You lose both offensive and defensive value going siphoning
id rather take gale force striking over siphoning
umbral forge
Sorry I forgot the /s
I do wonder though
Could a DID Prot Warr with 15% leech solo a reaping?
oblique garnet
nope
umbral forge
On a pull with no casters
oblique garnet
definitely not
the dot is the thing that kills you
iirc its oneshot at 40 stacks
and especially this week you will get 40 stacks really fast
umbral forge
How many classes can solo reaping?
I only know 1
I mean in a 10 key btw. I doubt any class can solo in high keys
steep rune
hey quick question
what is more important, a good weapon or a good shield
with this week Conquest's Reward, i can either upgrade my 385 1-hand to 400 or my 375 shield to 400
lusty grotto
a good shield
steep rune
because of the block?
lusty grotto
yes
ionic fern
Always a shield.
lusty grotto
it is our most important upgrade
steep rune
cool thanks
lusty grotto
1 hander ilvl simply increases your overall damage
lusty grotto
:triggered:
umbral forge
Good good
outer dew
i just wanted more leech
ionic fern
I swear to god every time i come here i see leech talk.
outer dew
LMAO
lusty grotto
why hello there levko
ionic fern
Yes
lusty grotto
no it still isn't levko
ember arrow
better than legion?
ionic fern
They reverted it back to Legion.
lusty grotto
ohhh
outer dew
reverted it back to mop
lusty grotto
we'll i'd trust mwahi
ember arrow
marok isnt on top anymore
lusty grotto
🤔 i hadn't seen that
lusty grotto
🥑
ionic fern
😂
lusty grotto
random levko popup
ember arrow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/407644085202059266/560927864174673921/fO_Ad_.gif this represents me looking in skyhold
oblique garnet
Thats a name i havent seen in a long time
lusty grotto
indeed
oblique garnet
Still not stormforged
lusty grotto
nah there is quite a few now
ember arrow
good
umbral forge
I rerolled for mobility ;_;
mint adder
Ha
umbral forge
@lusty grotto
Mark my words when they clip prot warriors down leech will be the new meta.
Also I wish they'd replace versa with it
ember arrow
well, my planet needs me, cya friends!
lusty grotto
no jettom, just no
junior ivy
someone wanna play game with me tonight
lusty grotto
yes, can you play WoW?
ocean acorn
yes, can you play WoW?
lusty grotto
the trap is set
oblique garnet
you wanna play civ 5?
junior ivy
ill play civ v
round kiln
I’m new to prot warrior so I don’t chat much still in lurker / learning mode.
round kiln
Haha my main is a hunter currently but making the transition 😂
sullen trench
2 weeks no hidden artifact spawn is there anything more that i have to do?
ebon hound
sick sentinel
lol
ocean acorn
i dont know that feeling it was there on my first try lol
tender berry
thnk we hade at script to tell os if is in the cave or not cant remeber if it whos fix
think
wary gyro
you have to run the script at the cave for it to work
exotic spoke
I had to wait like 6 months
Something something wasn’t it bugged on NA?
Oh no that was arms
oblique garnet
@junior ivy marathon or no marathon on civ v?
junior ivy
not sure what that means ive never played muiltiplayer hhaa
lemme see if i have civ downloaded
full palm
Tank damage for mythic+ by rank goes what: War > Pal > then what?
ocean acorn
real?
oblique garnet
yes
ocean acorn
for?
oblique garnet
The apocalypse
ocean acorn
ofcourse
oblique garnet
A.k.a the prot nerfs
ocean acorn
dont say such blasphemy
i then cant do m+
getting in to keys as dps warrior is impossible
full palm
It will happen soon... So fucking prot wars now it's nuts
full palm
Mdi?
oblique garnet
mythic dungeon invitational
full palm
Oh.. nerds.
ocean acorn
i feel like its just inflated by the fact that there is reaping
oblique garnet
its ridiculous without reaping
ocean acorn
just like arms and uldir
ocean acorn
but isnt it more with reaping
sick sentinel
the apocalypse
oblique garnet
it is more with reaping
ocean acorn
how much closer are guardians with our reaping
unborn island
what;s the correct response
when a dps starts swearing at you
to not be a retard and move the boss
because they stood in the spider shit and died
ocean acorn
im not sure dont pug often anymore
unborn island
i didn't say anything
couldn't think of anything witty as too angry
wanted to say 'if i can melee the boss and not stand in the shit, you shouldn't stand in it, die and blame me - a dead dps does no damage'
what annoyed me even more
was that he didn't take the blood on priestess
how is that even defensible
as a warrior
grrrr
so many retards around on weekend
i'm just not going to group with another warrior ever unless they can tell me the name of the discord immediately
full palm
Loose cannon is right...
sick sentinel
imagine inviting a dps warrior lol
unborn island
sorry, rant over
it wasn't me who invited
was a random pug
should've known something was up when the mage kited rezan across the room instead of back
or instead of you know, blocking or invis-ing the pursuit
sorry - bad night of pugs, frustrated AF
ocean acorn
was it a high level?
slim cosmos
hello! I'm thinking about rolling a prot war alt since they look really fun to play, been seeing a ton of them in my keys. what is the playstyle like? I've also played guardian druids and blood DKs before. warrior sounds a lot more fast-paced and a bit more like a DPS class?
oh and I played a VDH for a while too. I loved the mobility and the fast rotation (VDH maybe a bit too fast for me though)
Prot war sounds similar except not made of tissue
halcyon fable
haste feels SO good! I got a proc of all my haste stuff earlier and hit 90% without a lust
oblique garnet
@slim cosmos warriors rotation is faster than dhs
sick sentinel
prot warrior is a GCD locked spec with tons of haste
massive AoE and massive thunderclaps
half sapphire
quick question, temple of sethraliss 1st boss, I am taking a shit otn of lightnign shield dmg but can't figure out what ability is causing it, I have a hunch it's revenge, what is it?
oblique garnet
dont hit lightning shield
half sapphire
I don't aa the lightning shield, one of my aoe moves is causing it
half sapphire
okay, will do I guess, kinda nice to know if I could just not press a certain aoe button so I can interupt the boss every so often but okay
half sapphire
hrmmmmm, idk bout that, I did it once as a tank, once as fury, got like 3 interupts on him, no shield dmg
on fury
oblique garnet
and if youre that close that you can just mouseover interrupt
you will probably cleave
half sapphire
wierd, okay, welp, answer is to just not interupt then