so still no benchmark
#protection
lusty grotto
stoic pilot
I guess it’ll just be a feels thing then.
I did fortified teeming quaking but I had significantly less gear then so it’s hard to compare
Going from like 395 to 418 would definitely change results lol.
lusty grotto
that particular week, diamond might better
stoic pilot
I guess it’ll just be a feels thing. Just wanted some second opinions, I’ll probably just ride out vial for damage and swap diamond when I feel it’s the last thing I can do.
stoic pilot
When I feel the damage is too much I swap out the trinkets I mean. A feels thing for me.
lusty grotto
just like necrotic isn't good for it
stoic pilot
Sure, well regardless ty for opinions
ionic fern
I use diamond more on specific dungeons rather than specific weeks as of now..
E.g ML/WM
stoic pilot
I was going to auto equip it for ML, didn’t think to do it on Waycrest but might give it a shot there
umbral forge
Niiiice
stoic pilot
I’ve been so tempted to go LFD but I feel I’ll miss dwarf racial too much
umbral forge
its fine mawhi
torn gust
Any way to go insane fast in sob? We did 2 20s yday failed by 1 minute, wo wipes barely deaths and fulling decently big. No favorable way to skip last reaping right?
jade holly
modest wedge
finite hornet
Do you guys switch up bounding stride/crackling thunder depending on the keys you do? Or do you normally just stick with one?
bronze lantern
Bounding is very meh, if you need more movement take skysteps. Safeguard is also very underrated in some keys like KR
warm plinth
I just stay with Bounding Stride all the time. I like it and have never found that I needed the others.
finite hornet
I was enjoying crackling with reaping and what not but sometimes I thought the lower CD on leap could come in handy. Idk though I've just been sticking with crackling thunder all the time. I was told I shouldn't run it though
So i just figured i'd ask in here
warm plinth
Idk why you wouldn't run it; it makes it really easy to have aggro on everything when doing big pulls or during Reaping packs
Crackling Thunder that is
Whoever told you you shouldn't is wrong.
warm plinth
✊
mint adder
I think I only take bounding stride for necro weeks, and then always take safeguard for KR
bronze lantern
ya bounding is a fine pick for necro
finite hornet
Ah i didn't think about necro. That's a great idea
Why safeguard for KR specifically? For the bleed dmg and room after first boss?
mint adder
gold dot on first boss, drain fluid on second boss, axe bleed on third.
even high fortified keys these mechanics do a lot of damage
mint adder
yeah, it feels good granting like a 30% DR to squishy leather dps
sterile pecan
hi everyone, i recently chose to reroll warrior tank with the intent of raiding and m+. I was wondering what the optimal profession for that might be, if its engineering or blacksmithing or maybe something different 😃
undone sun
alch/eng are generally considered the go-to
old night
eng helm is decent
sterile pecan
im in a guild at is progressing jaina atm. im still getting the hang of warrior (i have a blood dk main) so i was wondering if the head from engi is good enough to actually pusuit or if its more like, meh.
on mythic
mint adder
engi helm is solid
sterile pecan
so i take it that blacksmithing has nothing really to offer?
glacial flint
@sterile pecan just crafting 415 belt / legs
waxen ibex
Unless you want to farm M+ for good titanforged belt/legs I'd highly recommend Blacksmithing, quick and easy way to get 2 good 415 pieces that you can't get in the raid
weary nacelle
Agreed. I'm on board with that.
weary nacelle
I have easier time replacing azerite pieces compared to other gear.
sterile pecan
get my two pieces
glacial flint
or getting multiple items with different stats for different gears 😉
sterile pecan
then switch?
waxen ibex
You need to keep the profession to equip the items
sterile pecan
i see
mint adder
I, not raiding this tier, found it incredibly hard to accumulate 200 breath of bwonsamdi for my alch trink and then another 400 for blacksmithing.
glacial flint
i mean .. im blacksmith.. and i have 3 belts with different stats for all specs 😉
sterile pecan
well, im raiding so obtaining that is no problem
mint adder
i just dropped my BS for JC, yee totally
sterile pecan
we do a hc clear every wednesday and almost clear up until jaina mythic every thursday
glacial flint
proffessions are crap AF atm ^^
sterile pecan
i ahve alch on my DK for the 2h flasks xD
glacial flint
except alchemy double flask time.. and proffesion item OP
unborn island
I haven't used crackling thunder at all, can't believe I've been gimping my claps
waxen ibex
Personally I wouldnt go Engineering if you clear Mythic every week, go for Alch or JC instead together with BS
weary nacelle
good point. If you clear 8/9 mythic every week, at some point even 9/9, i don't think you would need to craft any gear in the first place.
sterile pecan
alright thanks a lot ^^
outer dew
anyway still have the link to boost +14 with tank + 4 dps
sterile pecan
let me see! 😄
willow scarab
Get engi and BS for 415 helm 415 belt 415 legs
The azerite helm is really strong
Rough to have to prog M jaina as a fresh prot reroll though, my heart goes out to you
weary nacelle
ye, that might just cost you a few mils 😄
willow scarab
Surely not a few mil?
150 eng was definitely under 200k on frostmourne alliance when I did it
unborn island
BS is pretty pricey
sterile pecan
way to cheer up a fellow prot warrior 😢
unborn island
I have mining, and I've had to either buy stuff or actively farm
in order to get to 150
sterile pecan
atm i have mining and bs
so i was considering getting bs to 150 with mining as secondary
then mine a lot and gather resources for me to lvl the engin
unborn island
I guess at least you would probably get a bunch of useful stuff from scrapping what you make while levelling BS
umbral forge
You'd make more gold vendoring it tbh
mortal carbon
open sandal
Icy veins says to only take one deafening crash. Is more bad to take? I just made engineering helmet, already have one deafening crash on my chest. Should i go with bloodsport instead? I will primarily do M+
undone sun
stacking doesn't really benefit defensive much, which is generally what the guides aim towards
it's not bad to stack it for damage though
open sandal
right
Thanks 😃
next question, which engineering specific trait would you guys pick? Barrage of many bombs is good for AOE dps, but it bugs so much on WM and tol dagor because bombs go through floors
timid jay
Is leech better than haste for m+?
jovial haven
leech is a meme
timid jay
I read it was good here earlier
outer dew
Nerfclap is interesting
I believe he values it at 5 ilvls last time he talked about it
mortal brook
glickz runs siphoning on weapon so i mean
jovial haven
i haven't seen anyone here suggest leech or siphoning
timid jay
thats what, 5% leech?
mortal brook
i mean, 2% leech at 100k dps is still only 2k hps
chilly hemlock
so you get that perma leech with perma big dick dps
ionic fern
🛑
unborn island
I can equip a 412 set, but I run around at 395 so I can use all my leech
unborn island
nah, I have literally no leech gear, I'm just joking
timid jay
damn
unborn island
nobody bit - I was trying to trigger people 😃
chilly hemlock
🍊
unborn island
I guess if you do tonnes of M+ so you have a good ilvl sesh with like 10% leech, why the hell not use it
20k HPS during reaping is probably fun
but I wouldn't drop ilvl for it
strong forum
10% leech is insane, with full leech traits + enchant you can only get to 6%
unborn island
if you had leech on all slots, what would you get to?
strong forum
You'd need like 4 procs on gear + full leech build to get to that
unborn island
other than Azerite stuff which can't get it
strong forum
If you don't take any leech traits n shit I think you can get to 10% if it's on literally every piece
unborn island
is it capped?
unborn island
so like, if you roll it on every piece at 425, then use traits + enchant, what would you get to?
like 15% or something?
unborn island
that would be a good passive bonus IMO
strong forum
Im lucky to get 10% avoidance I'd say, but I don't have any leech pieces
strong forum
Ye I only have 43 due to trait which is 1% leech I think
It's like 500hps
On dungeon overall
I think... Could be wrong, don't quote me on that
Actually it's probably more like 150 hps
errant granite
does Spell Reflection on 1 Boss ToS still work? (Cyclone Strike)
ionic fern
Unless they changed it in the past 2 days then yes.
carmine ibex
How does that work? Can you only reflect it if it's tageting you?
or can you just jump in every cyclone and and reflect it all
silk mortar
You stand inside him pretty much
Just make sure it doesnt target you
Cuz then you die
And its real painful'
carmine ibex
So you can only reflect it when it's not targeting you?
still gotta dodge when it's actually on you
silk mortar
Correct
carmine ibex
that seems counter-intuitive haha
does the reflect consume the spell? i..e. does reflecting it prevent the damage from hitting my teammates?
silk mortar
Dont think so, never thought about it. (they'll get hit)
And make sure someone interuppts Jolt (other boss cast) so it doesnt consume the reflect
carmine ibex
of course
bronze lantern
Just use reflect right before, then the jolt isnt even that important (should be kicking as many as possible regardless)
undone sun
Neat
mint adder
i like leech
lusty grotto
lol kaege
sick sentinel
leech on items you would wear anyway is amazing
astral crystal
that is a great image
mint adder
in all seriousness, I take siphoning because it feels better than quick nav
sick sentinel
????
mint adder
hehe
sick sentinel
2.5% leech feels better than a 600 haste proc 
sick sentinel
I hope you are trolling
mint adder
not at all
undone sun
NotLikeThis
lusty grotto
its almost as if you could press damage skills faster with haste, you know the same ones that trigger leech
mint adder
have you guys tried it? it's like a drug
lusty grotto
fuck im triggered
undone sun
it's fuckign logic
sick sentinel
it's objectively worse
lusty grotto
i dont need to try anything jesus christ
mint adder
S1
hushed cobalt
I thought you coulda siphon your shield...
mint adder
to show that I had siphon on my wep
sick sentinel
if you could enchant your shield you would have either deadly nav or versatile nav in there
undone sun
🤢
sick sentinel
you would both do more damage and survive more with quick nav
mint adder
what does survive more mean
sick sentinel
if you don't care about survivability, then siphoning doesn't give you any damage
lusty grotto
im actually looking forward to getting nerfed now
sick sentinel
why are you not getting more damage
sand egret
is it viable, though?
mint adder
i switch siphoning out for quick nav for ML
lusty grotto
the trigger is real
mint adder
because that's the only time when I feel highly at risk of death
undone sun
doesn't make any sense
astral path
So I was tanking a tol dagor key and someone kept saying to shield the last bosses focus bullet thing w/e. I soaked one for the healer then another with shield wall but he's saying I should get every one. Is he an idiot or do I not know the trick for picking them all up?
bronze lantern
just bring dh for td :))
sick sentinel
@mint adder if you don't care about survivability
then why don't you get more damage?
siphoning doesn't give you any damage
haste/versatility/crit/mastery gives you more damage
astral path
Gotcha, ty. I had to clarify that because I'm like...since when? I've done that place so many times and it's been fine xD oi, thanks again
mint adder
I do a lot of healing within avatar to the point where I don't need external healing
sand egret
the mechanic is meant so you dont take two Deadeye’s in a row (may have got that skill wrong). So if you have the debuff it applies, a teammate needs to “shield” you
sick sentinel
that is straight up not true
sand egret
@astral path
lusty grotto
at this point.. don't feed the troll kaege
astral path
Okay that's what I thought but him raging about me not soaking everything made me question myself lol
mint adder
im not trolling
undone sun
so by your logic, why would one switch to haste if they need more survivability if leech is better
???
sand egret
yeah mate, he was wrong on that front
astral path
Gotcha, ty Blade!
lusty grotto
bdk rerolll that goes leech/siphon, topic over let's move on
sick sentinel
also ay @mint adder
undone sun
nah, i love arguing with idiots
sick sentinel
that siege you depleted by 1 second
lusty grotto
rofl thyme
sick sentinel
if you had quick nav you would have done enough damage to kill it faste
and you would have timed it
mint adder
because on cases where I don't have a high uptime of avatar, 3rd and 4th bosses of ML, I need more haste for defensives
bronze lantern
thats probably not the only reason they didnt time it
mint adder
yeah i don't believe that
bronze lantern
it doesnt help to run siphoning though
while i dont agree to all the "omg leech so bad" siphoning is trash.
mint adder
I like siphoning
sick sentinel
you don't enchant siphoning and you don't drop ilvls for it
if I am comparing 2 items of the same ilvl but one has leech, I will use it'
mint adder
So ive been running dungeons with it and I love it
bronze lantern
(this is my opinion, it is not mathed out any fucking thing)
for me it depends on the slot, like i wont fucking drop ilvl on something with a big stat budget like legs, but if its a ring, 5 ilvl is a hell yes for leech
bronze lantern
leech is simultaneously being over and underrated
brisk ferry
no, leech is definitely being overrated
sick sentinel
3% leech is about a healthpot worth of healing per avatar
leech is definitely overrated
sick sentinel
I crit for like 37k iirc
I have around 4.5 leech rn
I am going to log my mplus today
so I am not talking off my ass
sick sentinel
21k is low
bronze lantern
at 15% crit with 37k crits you get around 21.2k average
bronze lantern
physical though
so reduced by armor
so thats about 900 healing per target per clap at 4% leech
analog swift
Oh god that’s nothing
ionic fern
Why are you mathing this? Just check logs..
bronze lantern
this is legit 3rd grade math
ionic fern
Yes and it's pointless.
sick sentinel
also if you check how much healing was done overall because of leech, it doesn't do that much during reaping
bronze lantern
on reaping you over the 20 target aoe cap quite often
sick sentinel
and actually, now that I think about it
the 20 target cap makes pulling the reaping with a pack not efficient
right?
bronze lantern
its still efficient
sick sentinel
just less then I originally thought I guess
bronze lantern
as you do damage to mobs that actually contribute to % -> progression
its not just a flat 100% gain no
but if you run smth like a frost mage they extra scale
sick sentinel
I will still do it anyway yeah
sick sentinel
deep wounds lul
undone sun
tgv 😭
bronze lantern
F
mortal brook
does everchill anchor proc off TClap?
bronze lantern
yes
mortal brook
thats so shiny
bronze lantern
yeah without that it would be hot trash
sick sentinel
it does like 4-6% of your overall damage
sick sentinel
wtf
bronze lantern
doesnt bloodboil work for it ?
sick sentinel
well it ticks faster with haste so it's extra good for prot warrior
mortal brook
it doesnt off BB no
bronze lantern
yikes
yeah then it seems like a pointless trinket for bdk
unless u got it giga high compared to other trinkets maybe
mossy canopy
anyone here messed around with triple bastion and a tradewinds?
mortal brook
sims good? is good
sick sentinel
Tradewinds has less value because of the giving mastery to somebody else component
And many specs don't like mastery
wary gyro
I mean its still a pretty strong proc on yourself
sick sentinel
It's not bad though, I would probably take it over a bloodsport
Or a callous maybe
mossy canopy
would it be a better choice then a second dc?
lusty grotto
DC is way more dps
sick sentinel
I would take it over a second dc tbh
wary gyro
Second DC is more damage
sick sentinel
Gives surv
lusty grotto
For defensive value sure
sick sentinel
I don't like using pure damage or pure defensive traits, I like it when they do both
lusty grotto
Yeah in that case Tradewinds > 2nd/3rd dc
mortal brook
higher dmg is great defensively, the enemy gets in fewer attacks over all 😄
wary gyro
Way to kill chat till this afternoon nim
lusty grotto
undone sun
essentially said no more talking
lusty grotto
Plz I don't want more memes, in out meme'd from this whole "leech" week
undone sun
🤣
sick sentinel
What steve said is not wrong
willow scarab
About to do a 22KR, what is everyone doing for Zul this week?
sick sentinel
Mobs can't hit you if they are dead
willow scarab
My previous highest is 15
lusty grotto
Run like a bitch lol
modern brook
did someone say leech
sick sentinel
@willow scarab I killed a fortified 23 zul, just kite him to the boss room
willow scarab
I have 8% leech
lusty grotto
Shsjiajdnsks
willow scarab
Back to the trio room?
lusty grotto
Ya
sick sentinel
Yeah
willow scarab
Can do
and diamond vs block?
I see most warrs are running diamond in the 22+ area
wary gyro
Diamond for defense
lusty grotto
Diamond of course
sick sentinel
For 22 go diamond yeah
wary gyro
So for a 22 yeah diamond
willow scarab
Gross but will do
modern brook
g r o s s
sick sentinel
I normally go block as well
wary gyro
I still cant get a diamond to drop
sick sentinel
But yeah sometimes you need to go diamond
modern brook
^ I say that
willow scarab
When I got it I almost sharded it
Defensive play is boring play
running safeguard
any other last minute tips?
sick sentinel
Keep your berzerker rage on last boss
For if he does combo at the same time as fear
willow scarab
Sounds like a good idea to me
junior ivy
im buyin a new video card
sick sentinel
Big
lusty grotto
2060
sick sentinel
I'd go 2060
lusty grotto
didnt you ask this already cat
mint adder
this is for y'all @sick sentinel @lusty grotto @undone sun
sick sentinel
👌
undone sun
👏
lusty grotto
nobody said the 2060 sucks, blade just commented on some problems
junior ivy
oh
lusty grotto
it doesn't suck
junior ivy
well i want it anywya
lusty grotto
and you need the upgrade for sure
lusty grotto
eww
junior ivy
wait
wait question
im not trhe best at computer stuff
am i gonna have to uninstall my cpu fan in order to switch out video cards
and reinstall cpu fan?
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
you shouldn't have to do that
junior ivy
did i cry? maybe i did
lusty grotto
at all
lusty grotto
you take out old vid card, you place new vid card in
lusty grotto
you put the power to the new vid card, connect monitors, thats it
junior ivy
so i was worried
signal plover
Sounds like someone installed a coolermaster hyper Evo
signal plover
The bane of the casual builder
signal plover
Are ya pressing too hard...are u in the right notches...is it turned correctly cuz you're pretty sure ethe instructions are wrong
junior ivy
i did it all by myself
with no help
thje issue at the end, the last part
you HAVE to use so much pressure
more pressure than seems reasonable
amnd i was scared to
signal plover
Ya
junior ivy
but eventually i just said fuck it and pushed as hard as i could
and it worked
but im used to trying to be delicate with pc parts
you cant be delicate with a 212 evo
it needs force
i also had to install a new power button on my pc case
the samer time i was doing the evo
😦
and the company sent me no instructions for how to do it lol
sick sentinel
anyone have any tips on tanking brutal backhand in KR on my monk i dodge it so ive never dealt with the affect. i get launched all the time and its kinda a meme at this point
You hope to parry it, if you don't, run away
If she reaches you, use block and tank like 1-2 hits
If somebody can taunt for you, it's even better
I usually have my healer go bear form and taunt and then I taunt back
I jump before it hits me so I get launched further so I can kite more as well
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend:)
lusty grotto
thank you, you too
sick sentinel
You too bud
modern brook
#canadian-tax-help might be a more useful channel to u :^)
junior ivy
LOL i wish it existed
i finally got logged into the canada revenue agency website
but dunno where to find my T4
so i'm annoyed
oh i figured it out
all is well
apparently theres a separate 'my service canada account' thats different from my canada revenue agency account.
sturdy sable
Yeah and to log into the my service Canada account every year you need a code sent to you via mail or online depending on how you did your taxes
Its great
sick sentinel
ty @sick sentinel
junior ivy
yeah this is a super annoying process
and my t4 still isnt there 😡
I JUST WANNA BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND DO MY TAXES
chilly brook
@junior ivy you reminded me of how scared of was of snapping part of the mobo on my first build when installing my crap
That crap flexed so hard
wary gyro
I managed to fry my mobo the first time I did a build
chilly brook
Oof
wary gyro
In my defence I was in 6th grade at the time
chilly brook
I made sure nothing was wrong on the whole contact point thing
weary thorn
@junior ivy my old man had his identity stolen 4 years ago (he is a small business owner) and someone filed for a tax return and received $14k. My dad has not received money on a tax return in over 30 years. However, they still wont let him pay his taxes for going on 4 years now due to that unresolved issue. His lawyers just tell him to continue paying a yearly fine of almost $50k because the IRS won unfuck themselves and let him pay his taxes.
wary gyro
I've been super paranoid about static since then when working on PCs
junior ivy
once i let my mom do my taxes and she filed them for the wrong province
lusty grotto
the IRS is american
chilly brook
Installing my crap on my mobo though? I was working out 3 times a day at the time and I was so paranoid about breaking the mobo
junior ivy
i got a refund of $500 and then a year later found out i owed that back plus another $400
lusty grotto
oh true
chilly brook
@weary thorn we need major tax reform tbh. The IRS isn’t worried about what’s actually right they just take it and run with it.
junior ivy
i hope i get a refund to go towards a video card 😦
weary thorn
I agree, its such a bureaucratic nightmare now too. They literally wont let him pay his back taxes for that year, because they paid out a fraudulent tax return to someone else. ..but they still fine him for not paying the taxes that year. Its actually insane
chilly brook
My return got sniped by the IRS because I had an issue with the guard at one point on my way out that they never told me about until recently and what was a $50 fee became a $500 fee that I’ve been paying monthly since December and all of a sudden without even notifying me and even though I haven’t missed any payments etc. they just snipe my return to pay the rest
Actually aids
weary thorn
weird, I always thought that garnished payments had to be notified
or does that count as a garnishment
chilly brook
Not a garnishment
weary thorn
ah okay
chilly brook
I forgot the term they used
junior ivy
they used to take my tax refunds and GST checks cause of student loans
but not anymore thank god
wary gyro
The way it works is it's a payment you already made so unless you overpayed your outstanding balance with them they dont have to give you a cent back even if the debt they take it for is unrelated to the payment
chilly brook
But it’s just one of those situations where I’m like “uh hey my guy you all never told me about this and I’m reeeaaallly glad that I checked myself”
Long story short, don’t trust the government to get it right
sick sentinel
Most governments are corrupt on this front
modern brook
taxation is theft 🤷
wary gyro
Yeah I screwed up my taxes one year but fortunately I had enough to just pay off the balance without having to deal with any extra bullshit
lusty grotto
taxes are important bull
how else do you expect the government to fix all public shit?
chilly brook
Taxes in general in the US are actually retarded because we work off a national income tax which takes nothing of regional living costs into account
unborn island
Get called out for OT after 5/6 messages about lifting weights
Massive conversation about Canadian Taxes
😃
unborn island
no worries, it's funny
junior ivy
yes back on topic
unborn island
just go to the tax office and clap a lot
although if you're in Canada it will probably take you 4 hours to get there
chilly brook
@modern brook I slightly agree but only because our government isn’t responsible with the money they demand
chilly brook
Wait there are offices and buildings in Canada? I thought it was all woods and snow
ionic fern
@lusty grotto staph plz.
chilly brook
@lusty grotto I fully understand the function, however when they fail in their function I have to question why I am forced to support something that isn’t fulfilling their duty properly
analog swift
Wait are we talking about theft?
chilly brook
Lol
lusty grotto
no were talking about clapping
chilly brook
Nah we wrapped up on the topic
analog swift
Lkkk
lusty grotto
big bootyclaps
weary thorn
theft of health, sounds like leeching to me
chilly brook
Oof
analog swift
Lol
lusty grotto
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
weary thorn
ha
chilly brook
Oh hey Canadian speaker on campus today
analog swift
Question for the crackerjacks you spell reflect the grip on grong yeah? Any idea how much damage it does back?
analog swift
Makes sense
weary thorn
it just negates the dot
modern brook
@analog swift the SR on the grip is a deflect, not a REflect
modern brook
it prevents ~150k damage on heroic, little more on mythic
junior ivy
I GOT MY T4
modern brook
you dont deal damage with it; just makes your healers job easier ina realtively heal intesive fight
analog swift
Still good then. Probs makes sense to have warrior take the brunt of the fight then
Yeah was just curious
modern brook
honestly its not worth fucking the swaps up for
junior ivy
I CAN DO MY TAXES NOW
modern brook
Just do the swaps as normal
analog swift
I mean
modern brook
and if u get 3rd combo, spell reflect
wary gyro
Just use double warrior problem solved
analog swift
How I do swaps is just I take First and third
Whatever the Combo is
Makes it very cleans
modern brook
🤷
wary gyro
I prefer to not end up with a double bite unless you have to
lusty grotto
why would you only take first and third
analog swift
I don’t take the second?
lusty grotto
but why
analog swift
For double bite?
wary gyro
If first and third are bites you have 2 stacks
modern brook
^ and the impact damage
analog swift
Yeah double not triple
lusty grotto
i mean there's no reason to have set ones
just taunt when 2 of the same are coming back to back
modern brook
The point is that 1st - taunt -2nd- taunt - 3rd is not the best way to handle the combo
analog swift
Yeah probably not
lusty grotto
even tanknotes.tk has it right
analog swift
I swap on 15
After multi sided
Just makes swaps super cleans and obvious and results in less fuckery
wary gyro
Jadefire swaps are more dependent on what your group can handle
empty inlet
fuck the dot on jadefire 😦
analog swift
Yeah it’s more just an illustration of my preferred method of tanking
I also run with a prot pally
And one boop the wrong way
And they are goodbye
chilly brook
Why is it that I feel like I can listen to this guy speak about life for days and be happy about it
wary gyro
Prot pally should have plenty of tools to keep himself from getting destroyed on that fight
chilly brook
@analog swift tbf I feel like warrior is the same way assuming the boop the wrong way is not using your tools to mitigate damage
analog swift
True
Had a previous war tank who didn’t know to shield block phase 3 of jadefire mage😭
wary gyro
Wait can you block that now?
chilly brook
Wait we use shield block on bosses?
wary gyro
Should be using it regardless but seriously did they make that blockable?
wary gyro
Last I checked it wasnt blockable even though it was melee
analog swift
Oh am dumb
wary gyro
Yeah but dont expect it to reduce damage taken on the bird
analog swift
He got deleted so bad tho hm
wary gyro
Bird hits like a truck in the last phase
wary gyro
Yeah
lusty grotto
and demo
wary gyro
And having a pally SW you
signal plover
And brez
modern brook
oblique garnet
That birb hits ridiculously hard in p3
lusty grotto
you can, just zone out and reset
wary gyro
^
modern brook
u cant delete to reroll them anymore though
which is what i feel like u were asking
hexed sage
Ahh i prob have to leave grp.. fml so stupid. It literally said, "all party members must be present"
Sorry 😃 thanks
modern brook
.
daring marlin
man
lusty grotto
now we will never know
lusty grotto
fire is okay for sanguine
lusty grotto
yeah no reason to
lusty grotto
lmao
daring marlin
? ? ?
wary gyro
Hes bad
daring marlin
he was definitely holding CDs for reaping
lusty grotto
does he go "but i like fire more"
sick sentinel
@manic cypress the health does but the extra duration doesn't
daring marlin
thanks obamer
manic cypress
@sick sentinel tyty
signal plover
Sup Barack
lusty grotto
what a great guy
lucid bough
how many weeks for the nerfs?
oblique garnet
Guilford thats why you gotta pull big all the time so people dont hold their cds
lusty grotto
🤝
daring marlin
I did though
that's why
I was flabbergasted
I consistently pulled 3-4 packs in waycrest
and somehow
wary gyro
Look some people are just dumb
modern brook
why is he playing fire mage this week when u can blizzard frozen orb commet storm and epic lul instead
daring marlin
bruh
you fucking got
me
and the best part is
he took FOREVER to get into the dungeon cuz he was fixing something
and forgot balefire
modern brook
xd
lusty grotto
fuck you're making me miss magechip bull
modern brook
I have a 15 waycrest on my rogue nim, if ur tryna get in on that
oblique garnet
I mean guilford its only an 18 on joke affixes you can time that with anything
modern brook
🤷 im gunna pug it / guild run it probably, just offering the slot
daring marlin
We did time it BUT STILL
modern brook
this week is too ez to hold onto 15s
oblique garnet
Bull you want a giga route that allows 2 chesting?
modern brook
giga routes are why i play fucking wow
daring marlin
We were steamrolling AD18 too until yazma and the DPS went retardmode on spiders
also volkaal
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
that "oops" on spiders
daring marlin
???
lusty grotto
i gotta laugh
daring marlin
I thought I could squeeze between them
lusty grotto
oh
modern brook
xD
modern brook
Mage can literally ice block them when enough spawn
lusty grotto
lmao
daring marlin
and my other frost mage buddy wanted to kill himself on that fight
He mostly played Rogue/Hunter before swaping to mage
lusty grotto
i just bubble and get them all on chipadin
wary gyro
I hate playing a caster in AD on tyrannical week
lusty grotto
except when bubble is down and i die
daring marlin
He also wanted to kill himself on M opulence
yeah dude fuck volkaal and yazma tyrannical as a caster.
hard caster
aff don't give a shit
wary gyro
Yeah its awful
daring marlin
dodge the poop? have more poop
lusty grotto
yazma is bad but its not as bad
daring marlin
keep dodging bitch
wary gyro
You literally have to take ticks to cast anything on that boss
daring marlin
yazma just seems to last 3 years
lusty grotto
volkaal: just gear haste on everything
as a mage
rip your dps but at least you can cast
wary gyro
Yazma is annoying but at least I can stand still and cast sometimes
wary gyro
I thought he didnt do self damage on mythic
modern brook
he def does; it scales with tyr and key level too iirc
wary gyro
Also yes theres not really a better place to lust
wary gyro
Fort weeks I like to lust on the trash right before vol kal
modern brook
IDk I know its rezan first to get lust on cD ASAP
but like
the only other lust in the dungeon that seems necessary is yazma
modern brook
just skip it tohugh
wary gyro
I never have a group that can skip it nim
daring marlin
any group can
lusty grotto
wait what
modern brook
Was doing a 16 atal pug yesterday and the tank fucked up the shroud then was like "oh hey dont dps the totem" and i was like "we can just vanish skip it stillm no reason to do this" then he proceded to hold everything ontop of the totem, TClap it down, and get pissed off at dps
wary gyro
Every time I've tried it someone fucks it up
lusty grotto
yikes
modern brook
Its not that hard
daring marlin
yeah dawg he prolly killed the totem with clap and revenge
lusty grotto
should practice in m0 maybe 😃
modern brook
its also one of the few skips thats easily practicable in m0
wary gyro
No it's not but that's what happens when you either are carrying friends or are pugging
wary gyro
I've found it takes less time to kill the pack in the level of key I typically do than it does to try and skip it typically
modern brook
🤷
I do it in low keys still to get the newbies used to the idea of skipping it
If i get stuck with a less than good dps in a higher key i want them to at least know how i intend to do the dungeon
Like i ran a shrine 7 the other day and we did literally every skip
minus the waterfall one cause i cant get that to work w/o a warlock
def didnt need to, but like now if i get a 15, thats 4 more players who know how to run sots correctly, even if their numbers arent there
lusty grotto
bull what time are you running your key
lusty grotto
ok
i can probably run it after 6
share late's route
if you can
i can probably play earlier since im remote today but i got a deadline on some shit
unborn island
What's the waterfall skip in SOTS?
lusty grotto
you go right, and hug the wall, then drop down to water
you gotta do it very carefully, and honestly its piss easy if you just portal it with a warlock
unborn island
is that before the first boss?
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
after you come down the right stairs
unborn island
so kill the reap on the other side
then drop down there so no having to kill any elementals?
nice
lusty grotto
clear the packs down there, there should be a pack just before the 2nd set of stairs, you go right there but you gotta drop down hugging the cliff wall
if you move forward just a bit, you will agro and fuck it up
unborn island
will go in on Normal and practice that one I think
lusty grotto
yeah
oblique garnet
@modern brook ok so
heres the giga route to atal
to waycrest*
on left side you can take it easy pz slowly steady w/e
but on the right side
you pull everything
all the time
everything in raals room everything in courtyard with the exception of matron
lusty grotto
Gotta watch out for the witches heals though right?
How many in there with teeming?
In the courtyard I mean
modern brook
i only pull whats in front of the doors
unborn island
waycrest Gigapulls are brilliant fun this week
modern brook
personally 🤷
unborn island
so much bootyclap
weary thorn
gotta love you some bootsoupclap
lusty grotto
To wago we go
unborn island
I'm trying to push my score this week, but I only ever end up with shitters in groups
modern brook
Hi guys, just rerolled prot, haha looking for some advice to really get that 👟 🍜 🙏 going!
unborn island
it's so frustrating
lusty grotto
Lol bull
sick sentinel
When do you think blizzard will issue prot nerfs? I have a 390 prot I love tanking on but I don’t want to go super hard on him if there’s only a month left before it’s nerfed lmaoo
modern brook
🤷
modern brook
dont play a spec because of its current numbers then
lusty grotto
I wish I could see the future
modern brook
if u like tanking on it, play it
lusty grotto
That PowerBall man
unborn island
we were good for 1 raid in Legion and then nerfed in the next raid to obscurity
lusty grotto
What?
unborn island
almost guaranteed that will happen again
modern brook
if u only like tanking on it cause its percieved as over tuned then play a different spec 🤷
lusty grotto
Uldir was fine as prot
lusty grotto
The only raid in legion we were meh at was specifically starcaller in NH
daring marlin
hey guys what was the biggest thing that bumped prot warrior in 8.1 with the changes? being able to block projectiles
lusty grotto
Dunno where you're coming from with the nerf
modern brook
If prot gets a nerf its going to be like a target cap on Tclap, maybe -5% vanguard efficiency again?
unborn island
I mean, we were pretty cack in nighthold
modern brook
we dont out perform the other tanks
modern brook
our kit is just better for the season
lusty grotto
Bet some streamer said it
daring marlin
at best they'll nerf UF damage like blade has said before
unborn island
target cap would be sending us back to TBC clap
modern brook
UF damage isnt the perceived problem 🤷
daring marlin
bumping it from 100% bonus to 50% or 75% would make more sense than putting a target cap on tclap
modern brook
no one gives a shit if a tank is holding 9k in a raid
put them in an AoE pull and have them keep up with DPS suddenly its an issue
100% more daamge on tclap isnt an issue if it has a target cap 🤷
modern brook
F A L L A C Y
but whatever
point is we're not that much better than other tanks
and any nerf wont be as painful as ppl think
daring marlin
you don't say
modern brook
unless they super over react
daring marlin
prot paladin can pump some numbers in AoE
wary gyro
Yeah but not as much as warrior so they get overlooked
lusty grotto
Honestly if you're worried about damage nerf, you're a fotm reroll and I'm gonna be glad to have you out of here
daring marlin
I'm on the fence about a damage nerf.
lusty grotto
Insert unpopular opinion meme pic
daring marlin
Either way I won't care cuz I'll still be playing Warrior like I did pre 8.1 when they were considered garbage.
lusty grotto
I've played prot since vanilla to tank, the fact our dmg is so good now is a nice bonus, but that's it
modern brook
oh did u re-unsub?
chilly brook
Yep
modern brook
cool
daring marlin
what a cool dude
chilly brook
That’s why I’ve been talking about Div2 😉
modern brook
thanks for that
lusty grotto
🤢
daring marlin
You know what'd be cool? If they just put sockets on gear and let us reforge again.
thanks blizz bye
lusty grotto
Lolll
chilly brook
There are so many problems with the gear systems at this point it’s unreal
lusty grotto
That's a huge discussion in itself
modern brook
🤷
i just dont think letting a 1.2% throughput differential define your enjoyment of a game makes sense
lusty grotto
Blizzard doesnt want players to worry about Sims and spreadsheets, but every single thing they have done to stop it simply doesn't
unborn island
it always has done in WoW though, even though it's irrelevant for 99% of the playerbase
chilly brook
It’s kinda like the whole class balance and class feel is such a convoluted mess because we’ve changed systems 4-5 times and it has no idea what it’s supposed to be anymore