You May be revenging too much though
#protection
old zephyr
oblique garnet
Youre pressind devastate quite little
umbral forge
Yeaah
chilly brook
Really it could have just been a very lucky rng run xD
umbral forge
that arcane pulse damage though
old zephyr
During boss you should be dévastating suit à lot actually
umbral forge
Oh no I just struggle with it
chilly brook
I also don’t know what the context is
Is that one large aoe pull?
The whole dungeon?
A boss?
umbral forge
I don't have the CPU threads in my brain to predict boss next ability, time out my mitigation for the next few seconds and continuously press a button.
I'm really not used to playing GCD locked class.
Full Shrine run
oblique garnet
Definitely too low
oblique garnet
Gotta be the best already smh
chilly brook
Here let me just make you a priority chart
umbral forge
I made a weakaura that plays gordon ramsay insults when I overlap SB & LS so I don't overlap anymore
oblique garnet
Lyl
chilly brook
Out of avatar: Demoralizing Shout>Shield Slam>Thunderclap>Revenge (with or without proc but only without if you need to bleed rage and don’t need defense)>Deva
In avatar: Demoralizing Shout> Thunder Clap> Shield Slam>Revenge (with or without proc but only without if you need to bleed rage and don’t need defense)>Deva
There’s the basic flow of the spec for offensive abilities
old zephyr
Clap is higher than Slam during shoot
chilly brook
During what?
old zephyr
To get the extra duration
umbral forge
shout
chilly brook
Oh Shout
old zephyr
Yeah that
chilly brook
Well yes but I cba to add that
old zephyr
Also the extra rage from Slam makes it higher than clap during avatar a lot of the time
Not always, but often
wary gyro
It should still be weaved in between claps in ava afaik
chilly brook
If you Shout just clap after it and hit clap the next time it’s up
primal sable
@umbral forge which insults if i may ask
chilly brook
Imo there’s no reason to sacrifice a global to slam when TC is up in Ava
chilly brook
Especially when you can slam in between the claps
primal sable
I think i'll make one myself cause its one of the mistakes i noticed i make
oblique garnet
You should prioritize shield slam
Even in avatar
more rage gen > avatar back up faster
hollow thorn
BUT THE DEEPS
oblique garnet
You dont lose dps
chilly brook
But the free global to slam anyways
old zephyr
More avatar is more deeps
wary gyro
Is delaying it 1 gcd going to make enough of a difference though
old zephyr
Yes
chilly brook
Slam resets after ability uses
old zephyr
Because of the Reset
oblique garnet
Basically shield slam should always be on cd
umbral forge
https://youtu.be/Gjy_FKODsTM?t=8
I clipped this insult @primal sable
made it a .wav iirc
old zephyr
A missed Slam is à lot of hp through ip, and 1 sec of every CD lost
So there is only 2 things that make clap go before Slam.
1:DS is up but not avatar (to get maximum up time with DC)
2: you need AoE threat right now
umbral forge
@chilly brook
I kind of have a good idea on the flow chart of the specc. I spend a lot of time infront of dummy and I have done a fair amount of dungeons sub 12 as prot.
I just have an issue where I ran devastator for so long I'm too used to it being a passive, if that makes sense?
I really do appreciate help though
gives me enjoyment in the game I don't find in my backwater raiding guild
umbral forge
BEEN THERE BEFORE
old zephyr
Yes
umbral forge
..let me find some logs for you, Late.
They're depressing.
old zephyr
My guildies are next level of spécial
Brought 4 reroll to the raid yesterday, all topped thé metter miles ahead of the mains
oblique garnet
Oh
Im about go clear hc on my resto shaman
With 3 ip traits
Gonna full on blast dps
old zephyr
When RL said : no healing CD for First paku wrath we keep them for 4th, you know what's going on
umbral forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TLc3R8zfjJCB27tY/#fight=40
Here Late.
Logs from my Guild
4 wipes on Conclave and we gave up on Rastakhan.
we're all on voice btw
old zephyr
But...
You don't even greyparse
old zephyr
umbral forge
You have it worse than me
old zephyr
I think so yeah
umbral forge
A friends & family social Guild that's draining my soul.
With affliction Warlocks who haven't keybound death bolt
And tanks who lose aggro on aspects.
old zephyr
the best one I heard was:
"Hey aalrina (me protwar, maintank) what killed you ?"
checks damage history
"I got meleed 7 times"
how does a protwar with 85 to 90% mitigated damages dies from melees ?
chilly brook
I kinda miss deva
Yea
I wouldn’t recommend raiding with a group that isn’t on the same relative ability scale as you
Bad for your mental health
old zephyr
but someof them are IRL friends
chilly brook
Just like playing WoW 🙃
old zephyr
and the few good ones are my M+ buddies
modern brook
oh thats brew nvm
modern brook
OH
weary thorn
go select a boss and you'll see the dps make more sense
modern brook
i just ssumed it was conclave cause that was mentioned
im like how did thet do this im so confused
weary thorn
yea
umbral forge
@chilly brook
I got Cutting Edge Helya back in Legion and I'm kind of happy about that.
The guys I play with are just.. not good.
But when I told the guy I play with the most in the guild I was looking at finding a new guild he had an actual mental breakdown and I felt so bad.
oblique garnet
i mean thats the "Ill grab aggro press 123 every so often while jerking off" playstyle of brm
and you do 2k
ngl
im a big fan of brm precisely for that reaason
you can just afk
weary thorn
you're looking at all kills including wipes and there are a ton of wipes
so those charts are pointless
chilly brook
@umbral forge I mean tbh if they can’t handle the idea that you want to look for something more competitive in a game that’s uhhh well.... :pepega
umbral forge
just look at Grong
chilly brook
People can’t separate a non emotional decision from emotions
umbral forge
@chilly brook
He has abandonment issues deluxe. He's literally paying his sub just to play with me at this point.
@oblique garnet just solo tank heroic to spice it up
umbral forge
I'm trying to build him confident so he'll join another guild with me
chilly brook
But finding another guild doesn’t mean you can’t play with him or the friends you made in that guild 🤔
It just means you’re looking for something that fits your goals a little better for the time you spend in the game
umbral forge
that's fair late
chilly brook
I’d just try explaining that
oblique garnet
im actually higher than @shut summit on raider io finally
i can quit happy man now
oblique garnet
uhh probably in may bullfango
modern brook
does that mean u got the job?
modern brook
rip
umbral forge
@old zephyr
Have you ever inspected their hearts to get an idea on where their champions rep is?
oblique garnet
havent heard back from it
modern brook
do they know u have more rio than sense?
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet you are still under me though
sick sentinel
I was going to push today but I had class
modern brook
whats the name on io?
sick sentinel
and I came back as my healer went offline
sick sentinel
@modern brook mine or lates?
modern brook
yours
I'm back on the prot war grind for keys caue my rogue reached her goal for s2
desert ice
Does Blocking reaping prevent stacks? Or is IP the go-to?
modern brook
and also cause ||the rest of the tanks in my guild arent very good at running keys||
umbral forge
The guild brewmaster refuses to do anything over 11 unless we start the key and take a 40 min break to get the Bwon buff 😞
primal sable
🤔
sick sentinel
@modern brook https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Kaege
warm plinth
@desert ice Dodge and parry are the only two mechanics that prevent any sort of stacks from applying.
modern brook
^
warm plinth
Not counting active mitigation checks, which I don't believe we have any of in this expansion.
desert ice
So Ignore Pain is pretty much the go to after considering what you pull with it I assume then
modern brook
THats said u still want to keep block up
Stacks are a healer mechanic that fucks you
desert ice
ML Teeming begs to differ
modern brook
block will nullify all other damage from risen souls
warm plinth
Yeah, stacks are healer responsibility; their melees still do damage to you so you still want block up.
modern brook
IP will just burn 40 rage and make ur O value less
desert ice
I had to actively kite for a few seconds between cleanses in Ml, place is aids on teeming
unborn island
@umbral forge my guild is similar.
primal sable
Kiting reaping? But what about your padding
weary thorn
@umbral forge I'm sorry that your Brm doesnt think he can do 11 and up without the Bobsandy buff
unborn island
But I Like the folks, So I just do my M+ with other people
modern brook
@desert ice statistically you will get 2 ticks of the debuff between 8sec cd dispells
so unless u can manage to get 50 stacks within 8 second, u should be fine to get dispelled on CD regarldess of reap size
the only time its spooky is if the rest of the damage is chunking you
which the big shield button prevents from happening
Hence -> SB>IP in reaping
let your healer deal with healer mechanics, and if he cant find a new one or wait for bobby buff
open bluff
chilly brook
BoS, KS, TP, RJW, BoF, 2 brews (possibly 3 if talented for reset)
BrM is a nicely designed spec from a gameplay perspective
Or at least it was
cyan kiln
Is it worth to change one of the socketed rings to the one on the right?
http://screenshot.su/img/10/c1/cf/10c1cf52859aa58b4c8870379bf10943.jpg
sick sentinel
no
modern brook
what?
sick sentinel
leech is a meme and should be treated as such
modern brook
OH cause its got leech
chilly brook
Oof
modern brook
that should tell you how fucking useless leech is
warm plinth
Seriously, who is the creator of that meme
We need to find them so they can't repeat this shit ever again
cyan kiln
modern brook
Edleweiss's warrior whos name i cant remember
chilly brook
I feel like we should get rid of the stat values on gear and just convert it to percentages for secondary stats
Or rather blizz should
warm plinth
At least then I wouldn't have to try to translate when people are like "I have 684 mastery; is that good?"
chilly brook
I really just can’t believe how horribly bad gear is in WoW compared to something like The Division 2
Both UI and function wise
modern brook
did u guys know
modern brook
that its been 3 days since the Division 2 was mentioned in #protection
reset that counter boys!
chilly brook
Oh sorry to break the streak
modern brook
npnp
chilly brook
But the game does so much right
modern brook
actually checking history its pretty much every 3 days some one brings it up
chilly brook
And it has so much content
modern brook
hey
junior ivy
yeah
chilly brook
And it’s getting even more content in less than a week
modern brook
welcome back
junior ivy
thanks
modern brook
get tired of bear?
modern brook
😠
chilly brook
@junior ivy I’d recommend it, but there are some good mostly objective (can’t be 100% objective on a game tbh) reviewers out there if you’d like more information
junior ivy
lemme see how much it is
chilly brook
It’s not on steam
junior ivy
why
ocean acorn
its in uplay
modern brook
😬
junior ivy
oh okay
chilly brook
Either Epic or the Uplay launcher
modern brook
more like unplay
junior ivy
lemme see if i even have uplay on pc
modern brook
xd
junior ivy
oh i do have uplay
chilly brook
But no need for the season pass, it just gives you a week early access to content. All the updates are gonna be free
junior ivy
lol wtf
im logged into my sisters uplay
ohhh i remmber why
cause she bought farcry 5
and i was playing it
i was too cheap to buy it too
k im in my own uplay now
modern brook
😬
chilly brook
Also if you do get the game don’t feel like you can’t get the cosmetics without the store, you get currency through the game that you can use for a key to open boxes for the cosmetics. Apparently you can get everything in the store just through playing the game but idk how accurate that is. I can say I’m like 40 hours in and have gotten a lot of free cosmetics.
junior ivy
ok regular is $80
oblique garnet
oof
chilly brook
CAD?
warm plinth
Yeah
chilly brook
Got this dope trait on my holster yesterday that when I get a kill if I swap to my pistol in the next 3 seconds the entire mag gets a +20% damage and it gets reloaded instantly
chilly brook
What card ya got?
junior ivy
gtx 950
maybe ill buy a new video card
hey theres an idea
i have a job now
why not eh
which one should i buy?
chilly brook
I’ve got a 1060 6gb on a laptop and running everything on high-ultra at 60fps in 1080p
snow lance
Where is the link to the spell reflect spreadsheet?
warm plinth
chilly brook
^
junior ivy
k back to video cards, which one should i buy?!
chilly brook
That’s the one thing Division 2 knocked out of the park are the video options. You can tweak so much
junior ivy
i havent paid attention to PC parts since the gtx 970 was THE card to buy
chilly brook
What’s your budget?
junior ivy
$450-500 max
chilly brook
2060 prolly then
old zephyr
@umbral forge i'm pretty sure their hearts are pretty good
chilly brook
I think the 2060 still falls in that category
You could also consider the 1660ti but the 2060 is a better card and not much more expensive
snow lance
Anyone know if you can "reflect" "Bwonsamdi’s Wrath" on Conclave?
modern brook
@snow lance if its not listed in the reflect sheet, we dont know about it
If you think you can from experience, link the log
else assume that sheet is gospel
modern brook
👀
warm plinth
What is this fascination with RBG
junior ivy
I LOVE RBG
chilly brook
Why wouldn’t you want to customize your colors?
junior ivy
I HAVE RGB KEYBOARD, RGB MOUSEPAD, RGB LAMP, RGB ESSENTIAL OIL DIFFUSER
warm plinth
You can get a Gigabyte one for $470
Why do I care what the thing that powers my games looks like 🤔
junior ivy
cause. its nice when its pretty
chilly brook
Because why wouldn’t you
warm plinth
I'd rather not spend on average $50 extra to make it look pretty
chilly brook
Most rgb doesn’t come at a premium unless it’s ram/cards
zinc creek
@junior ivy are you back playing prot
regal topaz
Aesthetic is important to some people
junior ivy
nah not playing wow
ill never play wow again unless someone reads an ebook for me asnd summarizes it
plz
warm plinth
I get it, and I'm not judging. Just doesn't make sense to me personally XD
chilly brook
My keyboard looks like it’s straight out of Far Cry Blooddragon
sick sentinel
do any of you know how thunderclap behaves when you have extreme haste (hero+ramped RAGE) during avatar
regal topaz
How much do you miss wow?
regal topaz
Be honest
sick sentinel
I have clips of it appearing to not go on CD but I can’t tell if it’s casting correctly
chilly brook
@sick sentinel still every other gcd
junior ivy
i miss wow a lot tbh
but i dont have the time to dedicate to it
and I HAVENT READ THE BOOK YET
SO I CANT LOG ON
chilly brook
Sometimes hero bugs your inputs though
I used to run into that problem in Legion as BrM
sick sentinel
yeah, that’s what I’m trying to determine
been playing with spell queue but it doesn’t seem to help much
warm plinth
What have you tried setting it to?
chilly brook
I just cancelled my sub and gave my money to FFXIV this month 🙃
sick sentinel
150 rn
open sandal
Quick question, I'm primarily a M+ player - would you guys go gemhide or IV?
sick sentinel
I’m going to cross reference vod with logs later, but you can see what I’m talking about here: https://clips.twitch.tv/freezingaltruisticsamosahotpokket
After RAGE ramps up you can see the white flash of the button press but then TC doesn’t appear to have a cooldown
it’s possible I’m overwriting the queue which is why I’ve been playing with the window
sick sentinel
diamond+RAGE
chilly brook
Is RAGE a haste proc?
sick sentinel
yes
warm plinth
Yeah it looks like it's going off to me
chilly brook
That’s what it might be
sick sentinel
it’s an issue with excessive haste
warm plinth
I can see the little stomp each time
sick sentinel
ran into the same thing with berserking on jaina
chilly brook
Your trunk is probably going off and you’re probably hitting the point where TC has no CD
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
yeah, I was wondering if it’s less than the gcd
chilly brook
That’s really the only explanation I have because the ability is happening on screen
sick sentinel
I’m gonna test with a shaman later but wondered if anybody else had previously done the legwork
warm plinth
Yeah it looks like the global is just TC's CD at that level of haste. Even when it does show a CD, it's showing 1 second, which means it's somewhere between 1 and 2 seconds
sick sentinel
it only shows up at excessive haste
chilly brook
What’s your SB CD at that level? Lmao
sick sentinel
which isn’t terribly surprising because between hero+itf+trinket+base haste it’s a pretty disgusting amount
idk I want to look at that too
I’m not exactly mousing over tooltips during hero lol
chilly brook
Holy shit
oblique garnet
its cd is basically a gcd at that point
sick sentinel
I’ve got ~42% with ITF
for your thunderclap CD to be == to your GCD you need exactly 200% haste
warm plinth
Wait, you have 42% haste with just ITF?
chilly brook
Lucky
sick sentinel
yeah what's wrong with that
sick sentinel
rage is some stupid amount at full ramp
warm plinth
Nothing; it's just a lot lol
chilly brook
His SB recharge is literally between 6-7 seconds on that period where his TC has no CD
That’s insanity
sick sentinel
it’s a very short time when I have that amount of haste
chilly brook
Still insane
sick sentinel
the RAGE full ramp duration is 8s iirc
your thunderclap CD GCD*4
during avatar it becomes obviously GCD*2
since CDs lower the CD of spells past 100% but GCD stops at 100%
next goblet
@sick sentinel 5 stacks of ITF nets me 40%, its nice having lots of haste ❤
sick sentinel
after 100% you are getting heavy DR on dps
yeah, it’s fun
yeah
I was at 43.6% haste with 5 stacks but I got a 415TD ring with a socket
oblique garnet
not worth
sick sentinel
so I am down to 39.3%
I’m also wasting gcds sitting there wondering if TC actually cast or if I should keep pressing it, beyond the simple DR of reducing a spell below the gcd
next goblet
oh you get that problem too?
sick sentinel
what is your lag tolerance?
So I’ve been trying to figure out if it’s a not-casting issue or a queueing thing
next goblet
where the ability kinda lights up but doesn't cast after mashing the key hundreds of times?
chilly brook
Screw the problem of DPS at that window
sick sentinel
then you're good
chilly brook
You’re literally unkillable in that window
sick sentinel
I mean
it’s hero lol
yeah, SB uptime is pretty high after a point
if I die during hero I deserve it
chilly brook
You basically have 100% uptime on Block for that timeframe without having to even use LS
sick sentinel
yeah
but it doesn’t matter, boat bosses don’t hit hard
nothing in this raid apart from maybe conclave hits hard on tanks
only time it’s actually legit for survival is a fight like conclave where your CDs might be down going into hero
but blockade hero on boats or even on dock when you land, you’ve got everything up
jaina you obviously hero wall, etc
I might just drop some haste tbh, I’m evidently just over the tipping point since it’s fine without berserking/trinket
Guys ive been sleeping, is leech viable now?
please stop
chilly brook
I sacrifice ilvl for leech yea?
fervent harness
who cares if you take more damage if you heal it back
ionic fern
@sick sentinel last phase in Jadefire / Mekka.
ionic fern
But that's about it.
sick sentinel
I was getting fucked as boss tank there on blockade, but that was less actual raw damage intake and more healer comp
every time MW sat to drink or did a mechanic it got spicy
Is ur MW the only healer or something?
No, but he’s doing the bulk of the tank healing
shut summit
yea i've had same shit happen with huge amount of haste / tclap @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
yeah
just been trying to figure out what the actual issue is
I’m gonna play around with different haste levels this weekend
sick sentinel
Since it’s only during hero I just haven’t been in a position to do any testing
tropic star
so far feels like rhasta hits harder than conclave
sick sentinel
I asked about it earlier when we were progging jaina, but then I race changed and it wasn’t an issue again until I got RAGE
lusty grotto
googlechip go
👍
i gotta get a high ilvl RAGE but ive seen some people discussing it with Rezan too
sick sentinel
yeah, it’s specifically an issue with extreme haste, not just high haste
sick sentinel
yeah I’ll report back when I get a chance to cross reference vod with logs
lusty grotto
cool
sick sentinel
got a pocket shaman for some testing this weekend too
daring marlin
but nimchip
lusty grotto
here it comes
daring marlin
muh sb charges and marginal gains by having insane haste
lusty grotto
lul
daring marlin
I love this week
lusty grotto
havent had time to run keys yet
daring marlin
30k+ overall every dungeon is too fun
lusty grotto
are you quad pulling or triple pulling
obv it depends on the packs
but im looking forward to quad pulling
"hey guys im gonna pull the entire room"
daring marlin
Depends on the mobs.
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
daring marlin
I pulled the whole hallway around raal and then his whole room after
daring marlin
It was just a 15 WM but w/e, did similar pulls in 18 FH
No rogue so did the triple pull at the start
all the 
modern brook
wait are u TCing EVERY gcd?
sick sentinel
🤷
daring marlin
How much haste do you have?
sick sentinel
that’s kind of the problem — not entirely sure if it’s casting, or if it’s casting but the CD is below the gcd
so like I said, going to test later and figure out what’s actually happening
brisk rain
hey, which prof offers the best stuff for prot?
modern brook
interesting
sick sentinel
I have 42% base with ITF, but hero+RAGE on top of it, plus potentially weapon enchant
daring marlin
The rating lol
modern brook
in your clip u got to 2 stacks of quick nav - just for reference
sick sentinel
Not in game to check
lusty grotto
shrug? engi + alch?
daring marlin
Never experienced what you did but I don’t value haste procs much.
Usually opt for other trinkets.
Even when I had over 1700 base
sick sentinel
My trinkets are complete ass
modern brook
party* set
sick sentinel
and it’s only a heroic RAGE because I played monk/dk for prog
daring marlin
and these losers wanna extend lockout on rasta cuz we missed day 2 this week
Which makes me REEEEEE
sick sentinel
my dk got 420 howler last week and I just about deleted the character
icy kestrel
Hi, I need some help regarding trinkets. Doing mostly M+10-14. I have 410-Vial, 410-Jes, 405-Knot, 400-RAGE active and 385-Prism, 400- Sporepods passive. What do you recommend?
Is it worth dropping the ilvl for prism?
daring marlin
Vial is love
ebon hound
Vial + Knot, Vial + Jes if you wanna tank higher
icy kestrel
Vial+Knot aligning them with avatar, I guess
nova rune
daring marlin
20*
And the idea is you use one every other avatar
Not that I use double on-use. If I had a good RAGE I’d try it out with Vial for sure.
outer dew
You guys are also forgetting your proc trinkets internal timers reset every time you drop.combat
empty inlet
Dont think that's how appm trinket works
icy kestrel
Yeah, I meant use one every other avatar
ionic fern
1.5 trinkets like Vial etc are up roughly every other Avatar tho.
daring marlin
? ? ?
warm plinth
He means use Vial for one, Knot for the next, Vial for the 3rd, etc.
daring marlin
4head
icy kestrel
It is wasting a bit of Knot, cause of short cd
lusty grotto
@icy kestrel destroy sporepods, 385 prism is worth dropping ilvls for if you need to go defensive, but i would recommend trying to get a 400
chilly brook
I mean you should stack buffs as often as possible
No reason to not use two on use with one avatar
empty inlet
You cant
lusty grotto
and by try to recommend, i mean be like me, use token every lockout, and never get it
empty inlet
You cant use 2 trinket at the same time
chilly brook
It’s like a 10 second icd
empty inlet
20
chilly brook
I’d still use it as soon as possible
empty inlet
Scroll up 4head
chilly brook
Otherwise you’re wasting
desert ice
Did the Spell Reflect bug on the 1st boss of Temple get hotfixed?
daring marlin
bug?
empty inlet
I went there yesterday still works
chilly brook
What bug
warm plinth
The one that allows you to reflect multiple cyclones I'm guessing
desert ice
Well, I guess bug is relative. I just assumed reflecting a cone AoE wasn’t intended.
lusty grotto
uhhh
chilly brook
It’s a spell is it not?
lusty grotto
its technically not a cone
chilly brook
It’s targeted
lusty grotto
because each tornado is what hits you
warm plinth
It's not a cone, which is why it is technically a bug if you consider you're reflecting more than 1 spell per SR
chilly brook
But they all hit at the same time
warm plinth
But SR has always worked like that (reflects multiples if they happen very very close together)
lusty grotto
you can go in between tornados and you never get hit
chilly brook
The same would happen if you had two warlocks chaos bolt you at the same time
lusty grotto
they do not griff
sick sentinel
Just remember to use leech to be healed up from the damage u reflect
empty inlet
Let's be real here will probably be fix soon
warm plinth
It falls more in line with "clever use of game mechanics" than a bug XD
empty inlet
Like they did with freehold LUL
warm plinth
INR nooooo
desert ice
Does like 17% or something of the bosses hp per cycle iirc. Was about to run Temple and heard it was hotfixed yesterday, just wanted to make sure.
sick sentinel
Lol
desert ice
Sorry, new to Warrior and this discord. I’m bad.
lusty grotto
in that case, you cant reflect when you get targetted with it, and also if you're getting jolted it will consume your SR
that's been the case since forever
chilly brook
Just like prot war DPS was gonna get”fixed” half a year ago at the start of BFA 🙄
sick sentinel
And this is a good week to push esp since it's tyrn
versed blade
Any tips for tanking heroic Jaina as a port warrior?
sick sentinel
So u get to chunk that motherfukee down
sick sentinel
Be smart with ur SB, don't waste rage
celest gate
Wait, so is spell reflect fixed for first boss?
chilly brook
Tank it like any other boss?
celest gate
In temple
lusty grotto
no, spell reflect is NOT "fixed"
sick sentinel
No it's not
versed blade
I was just looking for any tips
sick sentinel
Its not changed
chilly brook
People have been asking that since everyone started rerolling now that prot is fotm smh
sick sentinel
Oh man
jovial jewel
So I have 3x resounding protection and I and mobbing literally though 15s
modern brook
Is MDT showing packs that dont exist anymore for u guys still
sick sentinel
I hope I didn't call it
modern brook
or did they update it between last night and when i remembered to day
lusty grotto
its teeming
sick sentinel
Teeming was hotfixed
modern brook
scuffed my Seige cause the teeming update removed the dog pack before first boss
lusty grotto
hmm i haven't checked
sick sentinel
They removed several adds that used to be that no longer exist
desert ice
Update MDT, a new version came out recently. I believe Blizzard changes some things with teeming after the last teeming week ended?
sick sentinel
Yup
modern brook
Yeah i know why; im asking if MDT is updated
sick sentinel
Fuck if we know
lusty grotto
let me check
jovial jewel
But I know impassive visage is also good, when and if I do get it. Any thoughts on 4th traits
versed blade
I have been a warrior since wrath and I haven’t really talked to other prot warriors so I want to ask so many questions but don’t want to sound like I don’t know shit
desert ice
Any other dungeons to use Never Surrender besides ML?
sick sentinel
Never use NS
modern brook
@versed blade read the guide then :^)
drowsy relic
probs run NS most necrotic weeks
modern brook
then u'll know everyhing and ull probably have no questions left
versed blade
I don’t want to read a guide
lusty grotto
@versed blade #268491842637660160 icyveins guide
jovial jewel
How does anyone feel about 3 treacherous
empty inlet
Necrotic LUL
versed blade
I wanna talk to people who play
lusty grotto
the guide is written by mods here
empty inlet
I only run from necrotic when I have 50 stacks
sick sentinel
They will ask questins, like when should they start stacking speed for Gonk gang
Or leech
lusty grotto
more specifically, its written by this discord's top dawg
celest gate
Is the leech stacking thing a meme?
modern brook
@desert ice you should never be using enver surrender
celest gate
Or does it work?
lusty grotto
yes its a meme
empty inlet
Definately not a meme.
celest gate
Okay
modern brook
oh no im getting memed
lusty grotto
definitely yes a meme
empty inlet
You heal 12k hps
chilly brook
@versed blade
desert ice
Oh, I saw Nerfed mention it for ML for the last two bosses.
chilly brook
If you can’t be asked to read the guide it’s not our job to regurgitate it to you
lusty grotto
your nerf fanboyism isn't helpful to people here with your misinformation
modern brook
@jovial jewel 3x treacherous is a large str bonus with a large draw back. Unlike BDK, who loves the trait, we have good class traits and low "real" (non-absorb healing)
lusty grotto
obligatory "4head"
empty inlet
Leech is good if you have 10%
modern brook
so while not terrible, its generally not as good as inclass options
so jus take in class potions
jovial jewel
Anyhow, leech serves well in reference to your damage output
It’s like and defensive to offensive
modern brook
Heres ultimately the thing with leech
425 w/ leech is 100% better than 425 w/o
telling people to gear for leech is like saying "you should titan forge all your drops"
chilly brook
Here’s the thing with leech
jovial jewel
have some leech is always good.
modern brook
Sure
chilly brook
Don’t worry about it if you don’t have it
chilly brook
If you have it and the item is an upgrade use it
modern brook
both offensively and defensively
jovial jewel
Ultimately find out if your healer per pull and your self healing plus your damage taken per second
chilly brook
If they’re the same ilvl it’s your discretion
empty inlet
Let's be real here if you have a 415 shield you can be a 3k io player if you're good
jade socket
never surrender for ml is fine
jovial jewel
People who aren’t real tanks won’t try to get it unless ofspec
empty inlet
LuL
jovial jewel
I’m just saying I prefer to roll the shield
chilly brook
🙃
lusty grotto
The reason nerf uses leech and i swear to god this has been said 20 million goddamn times here, is because he has enough ilvl gear with it to make it "viable", you will never have that luck, very few people here will have that luck, and furthermore nerf is a bdk main who orgasms at self healing which WE DO NOT NEED. No do not enchant siphoning. No do not prioritize tertiary stacks over ilvl, and finally no, do not choose bloodsport over IF/BoM on most of the content (with exceptions such as pure magical fights.
chilly brook
Nerf is also the kinda guy to try and do no healer runs
jovial jewel
In raid drop but I am fury in raid and tank in m+
chilly brook
Like he already did at the beginning of the xpac
empty inlet
No heal = more healer dps 🤔
jovial jewel
He is 405 chest...
lusty grotto
imagine if we could block damage
jovial jewel
has*
chilly brook
Azerite gear ilvl means next to nothing tbh
jovial jewel
?
celest gate
I have triple 385s
modern brook
slike 800 stam ?
celest gate
It sucks lol
chilly brook
The sum of the rest of the gear is far more important
jovial jewel
Str means a lot
empty inlet
Traits gets better
chilly brook
You’re missing the point
jovial jewel
Broski
chilly brook
Pointing out that he has a 405 ilvl chest means basically nothing
jovial jewel
Be more specific
lusty grotto
well in that case, he is def sacrificing ilvl over leech (which you shouldn't do)
jovial jewel
Yes because it’s bis traits
chilly brook
Lul
modern brook
😬
potent anvil
It's kind of a catch 22 to go a full leech build. You're trying to self sustain allowing your healer to dps, but at the same time no amount of leech really makes you tankier in the bigger pulls because you're going to need the healer to heal you anyway. Your best option is to just obtain more stats overall and mitigate more.
chilly brook
And you also lose damage at that point
jovial jewel
Well if he’s doing 20k
lusty grotto
20k is ez
celest gate
I feel like I opened a can of worms
lusty grotto
bro what does leech have to do with ST dps
chilly brook
Doing 20k hps doesn’t mean anything if you’re taking more damage in general
jovial jewel
10% with leech form bloodsport
jovial jewel
If you do 3mil in a fight
chilly brook
Which still means nothing if you take more damage 🤔
If you do 300k more healing
But take 300k more damage over the fight 🤔
jovial jewel
Well he has 2 resounding that procs 30kish
modern brook
check out the collage im making
lusty grotto
maybe we should drop this
potent anvil
You hardly need actual healing for most bosses in m+ if you're playing right. Some bosses hit like paper. Only quite a few where you actually need a bit of babysitting aka lord and lady waycrest, last 2 ML bosses, galvazzt and maybe last boss KR if you screwed up your block uptime.
lusty grotto
you guys can discuss nerf in nerf discord or twitch chat
chilly brook
And Des brings up a good point
jovial jewel
Thing is leech is useful for rough adds
lusty grotto
its marginally useful
chilly brook
Adds rough? Pepega
lusty grotto
whereas armor and block are way more useful
modern brook
Lets be clear; not ones saying leech isnt useful - we're saying its retarded to fucking stack for it - specifically dropping ilvls for leech is a net loss and should be avoided
jovial jewel
All avoidance etc and hard facts
chilly brook
Like maybe on bleed for KR
jovial jewel
And even situational bosses or packs
lusty grotto
...
empty inlet
Tol
lusty grotto
specific cases where tertiary are useful
jovial jewel
I only drop it on my rings
lusty grotto
jesus christ
jovial jewel
Tbh
lusty grotto
time to leave for 2 hours
modern brook
^
chilly brook
I’m sure that leech really helps him out on Necrotic pepega
frozen ember
I swear this is my favorite class channel
lusty grotto
cya then bull
jovial jewel
No one is saying drop anything for it
celest gate
Sorry for mentioning it!
chilly brook
Then why are we having this conversation?
jovial jewel
Idk
chilly brook
We’ve said to take it if you had it and it’s an upgrade
jovial jewel
I had a question
modern brook
because he is saying that he just wants to be right 🤷
chilly brook
And you kept on going
jovial jewel
And I’m taking 2 as well
modern brook
👌 and its a net loss
chilly brook
Why do I even care at this point I could be playing a game where stats are actually interesting 🙃
jovial jewel
We need some formulas lmao
jovial jewel
Someone take a +15 each dungeon with itemlvl and another +15 based on leech
15 times
chilly brook
That’s so highly variable
potent anvil
The consensus is pretty much if there's leech on a piece of gear and its the highest ilvl you have then you should use it.
If not, don't worry about it. Leech won't magically make you tankier. Maybe if you wanted to do speed runs and chain pull constantly.
Losing stats like strength, stam, secondaries for a tertiary is never worth it. Prot warriors' strength is their mitigation, not their self sustain.
ionic fern
Leech discussion again huh. 😒
jovial jewel
^ word
chilly brook
Every damn day @ionic fern
desert ice
How big of a different does a 415 shield make vs a 405. Considering trying to pug 1st boss of Mythic BoD.
empty inlet
405 shield is enough to do champion
whole sedge
what do you guys think about leech on bracers? I think it's weak on legs but good on bracers
desert ice
Mainly doing 21-22 M+ so my 408 iLevel is starting to show.
jovial jewel
Ilvl can be low from rings
lusty grotto
🚪 🏃
jovial jewel
Have to see gear
chilly brook
I need to hit World Tier 4
lusty grotto
ilvl can certainly not be "low" on rings
chilly brook
^
jovial jewel
400 socket bis?
chilly brook
Don't sacrifice ilvl on rings
chilly brook
More stats>"best" stats
jovial jewel
everything is
empty inlet
Ehe
empty inlet
I would take socket over ilvl on rings
chilly brook
Hence don’t sacrifice ilvl for “more desirable” stats
jovial jewel
If you put it like that, but rings are the only item lvl that that does not allow benefits from str
That’s all
chilly brook
@empty inlet it comes down to do you get more stats from the upgrade or less
jovial jewel
If you have bad ass 420 ring and socket but a 400 leg
lusty grotto
that's why there's some leeway
jovial jewel
I rather have the 420 leg
lusty grotto
but its not more than 10
sand egret
does leech make Prot viable now?!
lusty grotto
400 vs 415 ring is a no contest
jovial jewel
Depends on the ring
modern brook
I fucking hate u @sand egret
lusty grotto
theres only ONE case where that would be true... and that's with the set bonus ring and that only works inside BoD
chilly brook
Add up all the numbers in the ring without the tertiaries. If the number of one is larger than the other use it
jovial jewel
Idk
calm trout
How good is Callous Reprisal?
chilly brook
It’s good
jovial jewel
Sucks overall
modern brook
@calm trout the guides have a prioritized list of our traits
chilly brook
No prot traits suck
jovial jewel
don’t pick it if you don’t have too
chilly brook
Lmao
jovial jewel
That’s what u mean
sand egret
it solid but gets outclassed by other options
chilly brook
^thats what I mean
sand egret
id pick it over neutral traits
lusty grotto
use it vs non-prot traits, don't use it over better prot-traits. there's rankings in the icy veins guide
jovial jewel
Same thing in different words
sand egret
barring maybe BS in M+
calm trout
is bom+cr better than bloodsport+iron fortress?
chilly brook
Words mean things
chilly brook
If you say it sucks that means it’s sucks
warm plinth
I would say yes, for M+ @calm trout
lusty grotto
agreed with blade and ghash
steel mauve
CR doesnt suck, and isnt bad, our other prot spec traits are just better...
jovial jewel
Yeah you have to be specific with these Prot questions with traits in raiding and m+
chilly brook
All our traits are good, some are better than others which is far different than saying that one of them is bad
lusty grotto
same with secondaries
chilly brook
^
steel mauve
for some reason, bottom of the list automatically means bad to some
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
not good to propagate the notion that last = shitty in an absolute sense
jovial jewel
Yes all traits are good, however it should be utilized for your own personal goals
steel mauve
some thing ALWAYS has to be at the bottom, doesnt automatically mean its shit
sand egret
after all, if they added a bunch of new sick traits, that wouldn't make BoM "shitty"
warm plinth
Honestly, to me it seems anything not meta is bad to people. Oh, not BoMx3 DCx1 IFx2? Shit traits bro
modern brook
oonga boonga
sand egret
welcome to modern video games 😃
warm plinth
BDK is like "Do you have class traits? Shit traits bro"
chilly brook
Damn I need to start going for bodyshots with my shotgun in Div2. Get 3 in a row and I get a mag refill and +50% damage
empty inlet
We lucky our traits actually do something
potent anvil
Only thing that matters for prot is simming 20k dps on ST
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcRtPK4WY8GFBLCwCpVgM9
sand egret
warm plinth
Nice
modern brook
sand egret
except like
lusty grotto
yes yes the RF+Deva meme parse
ionic fern
:d
lusty grotto
male blood elf
modern brook
@potent anvil sim it with haste gems plz
sand egret
had the option to go fem orc and DIDN'T take it?
lusty grotto
😢
oblique garnet
@potent anvil MALE BELF?! I THOUGHT YOU WERE A MAN OF CULTURE
lusty grotto
rofl
potent anvil
i think i simmed with haste before, but i dunno if it was an upgrade or not
too lazy
lusty grotto
lets start a gofundme for deswind
oblique garnet
im shocked
lusty grotto
so he gets sex change
sand egret
go nightborne
potent anvil
but if i race change i cant
jovial jewel
so if you have swirling sands. and only thing is deafening crash for other trait option in that tier. crit gives parry, procing revenge, and possible crit %. more rage for defensives. does the dmg play out with the pros? it can get complicatd.
ionic fern
Race change to LFD. 😉
sand egret
DC is more an exception, as multiple traits do not give you stacking defensive returns. So that one is pretty cut and dry @jovial jewel . If you need the defensive, yes. If you want the overall damage, a second DC is the move. If you dont even HAVE a DC this isnt even a choice
warm plinth
sand egret
that would depend on how much Speed you have
sand egret
naw Speed
lusty grotto
oh no, its gottagofast meme time
jovial jewel
ima stfu
oblique garnet
leech?
sand egret
we're talking teritaries right?
oblique garnet
sand egret
connection speed, duh
sand egret
if only there was a Loa that gave us that
oblique garnet
blade just because you missclicked the speed shrine and have to wait 5 days to change from it doesnt make it good
next goblet
i can see the speed shrine being ok for necrotic week O.o
sand egret
i almost broke my mouse hitting that button so HARD
lusty grotto
rofl
jovial jewel
so dungeons completed gives a buff right?
sand egret
i subscribed to Gonk's stream super hard
jovial jewel
how does that work
sand egret
i actually favor the 5% for Loas, but that's another topic
oblique garnet
what buff?
sand egret
talking about the Bwomsamdi buff when you don't meet the timer?
sand egret
there's a buff you can get if you don't make the timer that gives you 20% healing and damage
warm plinth
There's no buff for completing a dungeon 🤔
chilly brook
@modern brook what dpi do you use?
modern brook
THe fuck did u call me?