Which trait is better Tradewinds or Filthy infusion? I've hit the block soft cap (M+) and need to get rid of 1 iron fortress trait.
#protection
craggy viper
bronze lantern
idk for filthy to be worth you gotta be very stationary
which isnt always optimal
weary nacelle
Anda, I see that, but if you've reflected it, what was your concern in the video?
ionic fern
He got hit by one.
ionic fern
🤷 doesn't matter. the problem was you got hit.
ionic fern
..he asked what was the concern in the video. The concern was you got hit.
bronze lantern
the real concern was why i got hit and reflected the damage at the same time
but i guess its up to you to decide what my question was
weary nacelle
hey, you're both very helpful guys, and i thank you for that. No reason to argue. I bet the discussion may help others as well.
Onto the topic.. is this considered a bug? Both getting hit and reflecting the spell. It should be either one, and not both at the same time, right?
ionic fern
Cba nitpicking anyways. 🤷
hollow thorn
He should not have taken dmg, as he had reflect up
ionic fern
It comes down to positioning.
weary nacelle
so you literally have to hug the boss to make sure u dont get hit?
hollow thorn
When you reflect cyclone u wanna be inside the boss
ionic fern
Everyone says that but then i am just standing infront of him and still reflect fine so i'm not 100% sold on it.
bronze lantern
idk i clearly got hit there, and never have been before
and i was pretty far when it comes to melee range
marble cipher
I've only done it once (fotm reroller) and it worked when standing just outside his hitbox indeed.
But, "once" isn't really enough to say it works like that 100% though does it 😄
old zephyr
@craggy viper there isn't really a block soft cap man
craggy viper
According to Lepan and his advanced m+ guide there is
undone sun
what
craggy viper
undone sun
craggy viper
I'm over cap by 2%
old zephyr
sad is it?
craggy viper
I guessed dont worry
old zephyr
so
unles you have crazy crazy mastery
the critblock part of blocking is very minimal
floral tinsel
yeah, I tought we discussed the "soft cap" here before.. almost tilted the whole discord 😛
old zephyr
so you can go 60% block rating and you'll still be golden
next goblet
where does one sim protection or is it still not a thing?
ionic fern
old zephyr
but you only sim for damage
ionic fern
^
next goblet
ok
strong forum
So it's actually working now?
strong forum
Never bothered to check it out, might give it a shot
next goblet
i just wanted to see if devastator would sim for more dps lol so when i want to pad a parse i'll spec into that 😿
strong forum
It's not that much of a difference
umbral forge
Does anyone know if prot warrior will get wow analyzer support?
ionic fern
For pure ST it's fine.
strong forum
Even top logs swap between devastator and booming
old zephyr
if you want to parse like crazy you go devastator 3RF and 3 BFI
strong forum
Literally makes no real difference from what I can tell
ionic fern
@umbral forge i'm vaguely looking into it but nothing sure.
bronze lantern
@strong forum so few people play devastator compared to BV
thats why its representation isnt higher
strong forum
Ye but even then they aren't topping
umbral forge
I'd love you if you did. I'm not good at coding at all so I haven't even tried considering doing it
next goblet
im sorry what is RF?
bronze lantern
reckless flurry
undone sun
reckless flurry
next goblet
brainfart
bronze lantern
fury auto attack trait
next goblet
does it work as prot?
bronze lantern
yes
undone sun
aa damage d oes
next goblet
oh fuck so thats how it buffs dev
strong forum
Only increases dmg
next goblet
thats broken
strong forum
Not really 🤷
bronze lantern
it also works if you equip a dagger btw
next goblet
interdasting
strong forum
It's not even that stronger, 3x BoM is stronger tbh
bronze lantern
not for ST nomeratur
ionic fern
Pure ST RF is one of the better traits you can get.
bronze lantern
so is BFI
bronze lantern
but bom is definetly more useful as an actual trait than RF
ionic fern
Ofc you can get top 10 logs without it. 🤷
bronze lantern
the amount of people playing devastator is incredibly low
and its payoff isnt even big if you dont play it correctly
strong forum
I see tons of people logging less ST with multiple RF and devastator, ontop or that you love quite alot different stuff except passive AA dmg, so I can't recommend tbh
Proper play is always more dmg than cheese in ST
That's my take on it
ionic fern
If you're looking at Grong then remember that the top-top parses with BV are also cheesing adds.
ionic fern
Grong's the only place i take Devastator for example.
strong forum
Ah fuck, #20 now
ionic fern
🤷
umbral forge
I have to say, mythic Grong feels like such a long fight.
ionic fern
My best Grong is from like 2-3 weeks ago and i'm at 11. :(
Next week should be my time to keep the boss again tho so new parses. :d
I was testing out yesterday 2xBoM/2xBfI/2xRF + Devastator on ST.
umbral forge
what's your block % on melee hits when you keep him?
umbral forge
Sweet
bronze lantern
triple TC kinda locks you into bom stack more or less
which isnt bad, especially since you got the fat str from TC
rough egret
3xBom 2xTC 1xDC and its gucci
just red the Lepan prot guide on wowhead
nicely written
ebon hound
timid jay
my body is ready
old zephyr
I mean if you have 90+ % of mastery this would make sense right
limber jolt
Hey guys... is there Something Announced with Prot Warri nerfs?
undone sun
no
old zephyr
new seasonal affic
craggy viper
So can somebody tell my why you people are sceptical about the block soft cap?
Please keep it short and sweet.
mortal carbon
i'm scared for the nerf hammer
bronze lantern
the only thing that needs nerfing is that stupid talent
old zephyr
you don't critblock a lot
old zephyr
@craggy viper
mortal carbon
i can imagine ion nerfs prot by decreasing the survivalbility instead of the dps
bronze lantern
4head
lets make em completly trash in raids again
just revert shieldblock to how it was in vanilla, 2 charges, 4head
timid jay
And its a completely moot point
old zephyr
during the last tier of the expac when we'll have crzay mastery maybe this will become relevant
timid jay
Like anyone is going to equip a lower ilvl shield because its too high block rating
mortal carbon
a person that states that his own class should just spec into def cds
that dont exist
bronze lantern
prot damage is only busted due to the stupid synergy of unstoppable force, BV and AM
timid jay
Sure a soft cap is a thing, but it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things
undone sun
100%
it is a thing, but it doesn't influence gameplay meaning it shouldn't be mentioned because it makes people focus on something entirely unecessary
rough egret
like, im now at 35 - 40% mastery I can get myslef to a aroud 50% outside avatar
bronze lantern
its relevant if you like always kite outside your avatar (if you run multiple avatars), but who does that
undone sun
there are all sorts of breakpoints and "soft caps" but they're almost entirely meaningless
bronze lantern
meaninglrdd yes
undone sun
🤦
limber jolt
what u think which racial is the best for prot warrior? horde?
undone sun
belf if you're doing dungeons
bronze lantern
you could skip belf if you have 3 already
but just go belf if keys are your main goal
bronze lantern
i dont think theres any basis to that
timid jay
Whats a good average % crit block to run with
rough egret
I think the more you have the better it is
rough egret
Afaik there are no caps for prot
rough egret
Our cap is 425 i lvl equiped gear
outer dew
Unless your nerfclap and value leech at 5 ilvls
rough egret
Maybe more due to 433 neck
timid jay
Would 40% crit block be a good average to use as a assumption?
I'm not looking for gearing here, just numbers to do some quick calculations with
bronze lantern
leech is giga good
bronze lantern
for keys its definetly very good
if you have a couple percent your druid can legit just spam swipe during avatar
ionic fern
What.
A druid can just spam swipe during avatar anyways due to the added mastery of BoM making avatar a semi-defensive.
If we're talking about magic damage then it matters even less since you get chunked for like 40-50% of your hp on higher key per spell and your leech ain't saving you then.
timid jay
So doing some quick math on block would suggest block rating is still highly valuable even above 42.5% block
Granted block doesnt scale as linearly as that
But thats with 40% crit block chance
undone sun
pikachu shocked face
bronze lantern
reread wolf;
avatar is also a semi defensive versus magic dmg as per AP -> IP
and most of that shit you can just clap up again.
timid jay
Which I gather is on the higher side
ionic fern
Who would have guessed indeed. 😮
timid jay
Relevant numbers highlighted
Even at 60% block with 40% crit block chance it still scales extremely well
old zephyr
Last line feels weird
rough egret
I think this is al due to Lepans guide, but he didnt said that its not worth to have more Block % than soft cap, because not every Block is critical
timid jay
total damage taken, my bad
Yes
And I came here to show you that block is still highly worth it
Last line should be total damage taken in %
ionic fern
In general people just see the numbers and go with it..hence the need to explain.
rough egret
No one is saying the oposite
timid jay
not DR in %
old zephyr
Yes also you should normalise that
Going from 40 taken to 35 taken is better than going from 100 to 95
timid jay
well yeah
That much should be obvious
I sincerely hope that people know that much at least
rough egret
Crit Block has its cap at 85% yeah?
timid jay
yes
thorn spruce
block in general has a cap of 85%, crit block isnt special
timid jay
using line 7 for crit block DR
thorn spruce
its just thats the only realistic way to reach it
ionic fern
Crit block just increases your block by *2
timid jay
line 6 is just double block DR
rough egret
What is line 5 then?
timid jay
line 7 is set max to 0.85
block DR
in %
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qk9Gdc3GL8UAGQisdDGlAK_qJM7iEM3-t-aS4i1ujAs/edit?usp=sharing
go nuts
G row is unprotected
If I made any errors feel free to correct me
undone sun
📆
old zephyr
can you add 1 column between EF and 3 between GH?
brazen marten
hi guys are there any cap of haste ??? and then rent put versa or maestria
ionic fern
No reachable haste cap so you're safe to stack it as high as possible without losing out on ilvl.
brazen marten
Ok thank you but then the second statistic is versa or mastery? or if there is a cap in any of them ?? what would be the best
old zephyr
more stats is best stats
ionic fern
In general for stats you go:
Ilvl>haste=>everything else.
brazen marten
I have read the guide of icy veins and it says that the second is versa but that is not more for a tank that heals?
ionic fern
Secondaries are fairly close together in regards to their value.
uncut juniper
just got this from the turtle emissary chest. is it any good compared to our normally advised trinkets? https://gyazo.com/74c2b13ea9d1500039c9462290ff0a92
brazen marten
What is it EHP?
mossy dome
effective hp
your hp, modified with all the stats like armor, versatility, block, .....
old zephyr
Some call ot time to live
mossy dome
that is clearer
mossy dome
what he said
spare epoch
hey I've seen some high m+ protection warriors running Overwhelming power trait, doesnt the effect fade rather quickly for a tank? since it drop stacks based on dmg taken
old zephyr
there is an internal CD of 1sec on the removing of the satcks
so while you get less as a tank than as a dps you still get a lot
Sheet is now more or less complete.
You just now need to add something relevant to compare block with
but this will get A LOT more dificult
timid jay
It was never meant to be more
old zephyr
as is it's not relevant
timid jay
Just to show that yes block loses value but its hardly something that matters in the grand scheme
Even with higher than average mastery values block above 42.5% is still worth while to get
old zephyr
when you chose to not take more block you chose is in favor of something
and that something is much harder to evaluate
timid jay
To start with its not really a relevant discussion outside of traits and you dont have too much choice with those anyway
not like you wouldnt pick a higher ilvl shield because you hit the "block soft cap"
old zephyr
yes
the thing that would be relevant is comparing BLock to Bloodsprt but good luck with that
Excell is not strong enough
timid jay
I was bored and wanted to debunk that :lul:
old zephyr
😃
I'd really like a tool that would analyse wheter or not BS is better than IF though, according on the encounters
timid jay
outside of the leech part it shouldnt be too hard
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Probably extremely minor anyway
unborn island
How do you guys usually run the orb room in ToS
old zephyr
1% more DR when you sit at 80+% is a lot
I breached 90% mitigation on Heroic conclave yesterday thanks to that
timid jay
Could get some decent results from taking data from logs and doing some assumptions
i.e. never overcapping on IP and not counting leech
run some numbers on that and compare
old zephyr
a sim would get average Rage gen per sec
ionic fern
@unborn island druid+lock take one side. Demon Hunter the other side while i pull everything with skystep & rogue CC's Guardians.
old zephyr
from than we can get the amount of DPS absorbed by bloodsport
and since this doesn't scale with damage taken we can estimate a DPS threshhold where one beats another
unborn island
so as a tank I'm supposed to just pull all of the little shitters? Thanks Mwahi
I guess the most important part is the cc'ing the guardians bit
ionic fern
Jeah. As a tank you just pull small ones out of the way. I usually also fear the Guardian on the right side near the orb drop off spot.
orchid token
unborn island
is that additive or multiplicative?
timid jay
What is additive or multiplicative? 🤔
old zephyr
thats additive from 0
ionic fern
🤔
unborn island
i have 30% block chance
unborn island
mastery increases that by 28.7%
old zephyr
okay maybe base block is 5 or 10
unborn island
ah okay
so my crit block with 74% mastery is 86% of all blocked attacks
not base crit block *1.86
timid jay
8% base AP right?
72 mastery rating for 1% attack power and crit block has a 1.5 modifier
and normal blocking is a 0.5 modifier
nice easy round numbers
lime mantle
Does iron fortress (damage when you block) have a ICD?
undone sun
.5s if im reading the spell data correctly
timid jay
SimC spell data+
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=279141/iron-fortress doesnt seem like a ICD looking at wowhead
ionic fern
old zephyr
Less than 0.5 if there is any then ?
undone sun
👍
lime mantle
Danke
sharp flume
2x iron fortress or 2x brace for impact? whats your opinion? esp in m+
ionic fern
Depends what you want.
If you wanna bump ST use BfI. otherwise IF.
sharp flume
bloodsport, DC , BoM , BFI and 2x IF . this is my setup i think it may work
sharp flume
thanks a lot
hollow thorn
Aim for more BoM traits for M+
safe sun
so for someone who rerolled prot literally last week bc i couldnt take any more shit for being a VDH: how scared are we of incoming nerfs to the clap in 8.2?
ionic fern
Nothing's been mentioned as of now.
brisk ferry
I think it's prudent to assume a damage nerf, but otherwise shouldn't be much changes
marble cipher
I'm guessing a BoM change in numbers. Or an avatar-tc interaction change.
brisk ferry
yeah I'd assume the same
marble cipher
I'm hoping for no change though 😂
brisk ferry
I'd rather see the other tanks buffed up, but who knows
marble cipher
Just got triple BoM yesterday, and it's too fun to have it nerfed
marble cipher
3*BoM, DC, BfI, If atm
brisk ferry
damn that is awesome GG
I'm still stuck on 1 BoM
gambled the same shoulders twice now ffs
astral crystal
i got the same shoulders thrice, i know that fee
l
finally got some decent ones last week
marble cipher
Got lucky, I gambled the only piece that didn't have BoM (but it had DC), and I got a BoM+DC helm
😉
umbral forge
Imho all they have to do is remove crackling thunder or add a rage cost to Thunder Clap and we're essentially hamstringed.
astral crystal
they cant add a rage cost to tclap without changing UF
that's too much work for the unpaid intern that works on class balance
umbral forge
yeah I'd be sad if they did it
undone sun
changing tc to a spender instead of a generator doesn't make any sense
umbral forge
@undone sun lemme clarify, I do not WANT them to do it or suggest it. I just thought of a way they could absolutely ruin Prot Warrior for me.
As in a worst case scenario
sorry I didn't specify that
undone sun
never said you did, just from a design stand point it's idiotic even for blizzard
ionic fern
Remove the CD reduction of TC from UF..or reduce the damage..or add a target cap..or remove Avatar from AM..so many options..they'll surely pick the worst one.
umbral forge
But I mean, I was first place on DPS @ Jadefire a few days ago so maybe our damage could use some tuning
astral crystal
target cap would never happen, that would make the spec unplayable in aoe situations
ionic fern
🤷
undone sun
that's an exageration
umbral forge
there already is a target cap
undone sun
what
ionic fern
Paladins have a cap on their AS.
umbral forge
it's 20
ionic fern
Doesn't mean they're unplayable.
astral crystal
no but they have a lot of other aoe skills
ionic fern
We got revenge. 
astral crystal
Kappa
if anything it would just be a numbers thing
to cull scaling
hopefully, anyway
undone sun
where in the world did you read that @umbral forge
undone sun
multistrike 4head
umbral forge
https://www.wowhead.com/news=289832/quadratic-scaling-in-aoe-why-unholy-death-knights-are-kings-of-massive-pulls
@undone sun
Specifically this part
ionic fern
Welp, i got no idea where he pulled that cap out from but just checking from logs that's not the case for TC. 🤷
umbral forge
sweet
maybe he means it like, if there's 20 targets you deal 10 damage to all of them
If there's 40 targets you deal 5 damage to all of them?
narrow abyss
My feeling is they’ll gut BOM and anger management and I’ll be sad
umbral forge
then Ravager will be meta and a new era of Prot Domination shall commence
They remove crackling thunder and add Bladestorm
Makes us tank with a two handed sword and a shield
a new meta build spawns where you use bladestorm and ravager
But it only works if you have 7% leech
jokes aside, I'm hopeful
hushed cobalt
Maybe make TC a frontal cone(10° should work 😇 )? You're putting a foot/hoof/flipper/pegleg forward
umbral forge
....Flipper?
umbral forge
only true Warrior race is Nightborne Male
umbral forge
We TC
We apply a festering thunder strike.
When they're hit again they explode for full thunder clap damage to everyone around them
old zephyr
When you hit a target with clap it échos dealing 30% of the Damage to all target around it
old zephyr
If à target is hit by 5 or more échos they are silenced for 3sec
umbral forge
if they are under the silence effect and hit again, they are stunned for 5 seconds.
This effect stacks.
austere oar
Unstoppable force is now baseline and doesn't need avatar
wild swift
what do u think guyz, whats worth more for a prot war as a weapon? ilvl or stat? ive got 410 axe from WM but it doesnt give secondary stats
umbral forge
Gain 5 rage for every enemy hit by an echo.
Revenge now activates all echoes, making them echo again for 300% damagfe
wild swift
should i change it for a 400 with haste versa?
umbral forge
ilvl
austere oar
@wild swift always ilvl
wild swift
okay then
old zephyr
Ravager now clap every seconds
old zephyr
Modified by haste
umbral forge
Protection specc renamed to Thunder Warrior.
To remove confusion about Protection Paladins
umbral forge
yeah we're really underrepresented
old zephyr
Prot flavor is literally thor
signal plover
This is actually better than DW shields
old zephyr
What I am looking forward to see is What they Will replace CR with
old zephyr
Y
umbral forge
like our meme thing or blizz?
old zephyr
What même thing ?
umbral forge
Thunder Warrior
old zephyr
Oh no blizz
umbral forge
why are they changing CR?
old zephyr
I want thème to do it
We had de crap trait they replaced with bom
They Gotta replace CR with smth cool
What I'd like I them to reflavor deep wound to some lighting
signal plover
I don't think they'll replace CR
old zephyr
Ravager becomes à throw and return weapon and gives you à phat shield/parry next x hits according to amount of target hits
With lighting surging off the weapon obviously
While the weapon is away we get sort of old artifact caus we Block with both hands
verbal haven
What is the best loa for zandalari troll prot tanking?
halcyon fable
3 pieces left to replace until everything is Haste/Versatility, not even dropping ilvl for it!
primal sable
i just want avatar to be prettier tbh
sick sentinel
@verbal haven if you are going for pure ST you take bobsalami
for mplus the best is Paku
primal sable
maybe turn you into one of those vrykul looking titanguards like in halls of lightning
serene stag
I want Vykrul full stop for alliance
sick sentinel
some of us have chosen to be part of the Gonk Gang
serene stag
That would be the best race 😃
primal sable
i dont think vrykul would join the alliance
sick sentinel
wait the 20 target cap is a thing?
old zephyr
I don't think so, Because reaping
sick sentinel
I did not know about that
modern brook
No one commented on my enormous B >:^(
open bluff
or afflocks, but who brings afflocks to m+ 
modern brook
winter aspen
Only cracked out failed races (Nightborne) joining horde currently
sturdy vigil
So spell reflect on jaina doesn't reflecr the spell back but deflects all of the dmg from ice shard. Does it also avoid the stack from applying?
modern brook
"failed" lol
sick sentinel
the damage from ice shard is physical and you block it
modern brook
😬
glacial flint
is there a guide for racials in m+ ?
looking at top 20 rio tanks seems dark iron dwarfs are bomb (maybe reaping stacks cleaning or in general as warriors are not as good on magic dmg reduce ? )
OR nightelf for skips and good stats ?
both have a defensiv racial passiv too..
sturdy vigil
I understand that but looking at logs it seems using spell reflect "deflects" dmg from it
modern brook
@glacial flint here's your guide: Take what looks cool
NE skips are neato; DID racial is nuts
difference between races is within a % of eachother
sick sentinel
I would rather use spell reflect as a 20% DR for the dot
modern brook
waste of time to be this concerned about it
sturdy vigil
Basically what im asking is is spell reflect useless on jaina other than the 20% magic mitigation
old zephyr
LfD, is DA BOMB
sick sentinel
20% dr is pretty good tbh
sturdy vigil
I'm not 100% it deflects the ice shard dmg
old zephyr
Go LfD to pad the meter
winter aspen
You basically never have to kite as dwarf on necro
sick sentinel
"deflect" I think is the parry
undone sun
correct
modern brook
@sturdy vigil you said u have logs?
old zephyr
When you die it was to "push the dps"
winter aspen
And look cool unlike LfD
modern brook
I keep thinking ur saying "left for dead"
winter aspen
Beardclipping lol
sturdy vigil
Yes if you look at logs you can see people popping spell reflect and "deflecting" the next incoming ice shard dmg
modern brook
and im like dude that game was sick ur right
sick sentinel
can you link one of those logs?
ionic fern
It is parry. Not SR.
sturdy vigil
okay, that's what I assumed but had to make sure. ty
modern brook
@ionic fern IDK on jaina specifically, but i know on jadefire, SR can show as a deflect 🤷
specifically on fireball
ionic fern
modern brook
on jaina specifically or in general?
undone sun
on jaina
astral crystal
i had only asked about jaina
on mekka you also get a deflect, but only when you use SR on the buster cannon
doesn't return damage
modern brook
yeah; that also shows up in jadefire
and i think it does that with grong grip as well
sick sentinel
whats the best blessing for zandalari trolls to take for M+?
modern brook
gonk
sturdy vigil
thanks alot
modern brook
just dug through my logs: Grong is a reflect for whatever reason
Jade fire is a reflect only when hes a bird
until then its called defelect
sturdy vigil
now I can shut down the "lol ur not spell reflecting the casts on jaina" memes
modern brook
which makes sense, you dont reflect the fire ball, but you do reflect the stack
sturdy vigil
all tho memes never die
ionic fern
Jadefire is weird tho.
The casts that you reflect when he's not a bird don't damage the raid..but if you reflect once he is a bird you actually still damage the raid.
old zephyr
And that is why6we are amazing against her
modern brook
before hes a bird u dont reflect the stack @ionic fern
u reflect the fireball
which applies a stack
but since it doesnt hit the boss
you dont give him a stack
sturdy vigil
I'm just a poor fury warrior trying to step in to tank role after titanforge ban on main tank
astral crystal
you dont get a stack if you reflect
ionic fern
Jeah, that's what i mean -it used to give the stack to the boss.
modern brook
when hes a bird his AA is magic and applys the stack, which is what you reflect
ionic fern
Well, it was "bugged" that way. 😂
old zephyr
What's that titanforge ban ?
Making sûre i'm not doing smth wrong
modern brook
u ok sav?
astral crystal
the what now
sturdy vigil
Titanforge ban from exp pot exploit lol. 31 days
modern brook
didnt they run the bans on that already?
sturdy vigil
yeye, main tank got the ban last friday so now I'm out if my comfy dps zone for jaina prog.
modern forum
Can anyone explain to me if thunderclap scales with wep damage? wowhead spell says ap only
old zephyr
Weapon Damage is normalized to ap now
modern brook
gleaming rock
Morning gents! are you guys stacking haste for high keys? I've been gearing towards verse and mastery with little haste and have had no issues but just curios if I am going the wrong route and should drop mastery for haste.
ionic fern
Ilvl>haste=>everything else is your safest bet.
Secondaries are fairly close together so the deciding factor is item level.
gleaming rock
Gotcha, and if something with a socket drops would you consider that 5 or 10 ilvl difference?
ionic fern
More likely 5.
gleaming rock
And with that I would just socket haste and enchant haste? becuase I have been socketing verse and enchanting verse as well .lol
narrow abyss
Love the name
ionic fern
That's the safest bet jeah.
If you're more interested in DPS you can sim yourself and socket/gem accordingly.
gleaming rock
@narrow abyss thanks!
@ionic fern awesome thanks!
I was more curious because I have been tanking on the warrior for a week because my guild only has 2 tanks that like M+ so we needed more, And all the healers I have had have said I was extremely easy to heal so I am thinking of slowly going a dps route and see where it sits well.
modern brook
@gleaming rock a lot of that is explained very well in the icy veins guide
"that" being stat priority
and why it is what it is
weary nacelle
i've met a few zand. trolls going with Bwonsamdi's racial at very high keys. Always makes me think if i should run Bwonsamdi's or Pa'kus.. any updates on that guys?
People say healers like tanks that are easier to heal - so they believe Bwonsamdi's heal effect is sweet. In addition the 2% damage.
sick sentinel
paku should be better for keys
if those tanks are still progressing mythic then they chose bowm because it's better for raiding
weary nacelle
I really wonder if it is. People blame it's uptime that's its not that effective
sick sentinel
a small rng heals don't benefit us that much
gleaming rock
I've been running Krag'Wa
weary nacelle
uptime, not update lol
sick sentinel
most of the time it can overheal or be useless
being paku is like being a belf
4% crit with 25% uptime
belf is 1% crit with 100% uptime
sick sentinel
kimbul is a nono for keys
kimbul can be better if you have 100% uptime and get lucky refreshes and stacks on the bleed
sand egret
so far from what I seen it's wack
sick sentinel
it can sim better on ST
sand egret
they need to double the duration on that shit
sand egret
but whatever, Gonk lyfe.
modern brook
paku is being 80% a belf
winter aspen
Why is zanda > BE on dps then
sick sentinel
welp I check my details after every run
gleaming rock
When I run keys I see kragwa up at 40-80 percent of the time
sick sentinel
and it is 23-26%
sand egret
and Gonk is 120% Dark Iron
modern brook
because having 4% when u need it > 1% all the time
sand egret
🐢 🐢 🐢
sick sentinel
I should start logging mplus
modern brook
answer is def gonk gang
gleaming rock
HHAHA ok I will give gonk a try
modern brook
wait dont
winter aspen
lol baited by gonk
gleaming rock
I know lol was being sarcastic lol
sick sentinel
bull where is the gonk gang meme
sand egret
yo gonk is 100% uptime
modern brook
sick as hell
sick sentinel
ok now delete it before blues show up lol
gleaming rock
lol
sand egret
(I actually do run Gonk though)
winter aspen
inc
sick sentinel
I was expecting you to tag jumpin into #off-topic and post it there lol
modern brook
🖐 hell yeah blade
gleaming rock
Maybe gonk while questing a new zanda to 120
sand egret
like the "gains" from the other ones are so small, ill take the movement speed tbh.
sand egret
well think about it this way
modern brook
imagine only being outpaced by better classes by 10% instead of by 5 teen
sand egret
Thunder Clap applies a 20% slow, which puts you net neutral against NPCs. Even with 0 Speed Gonk alone puts you at a net positive movespeed over mobs.
winter aspen
4% crit small btw
modern brook
thats some gonk gang shit tbh
sick sentinel
blade but that's implying I run away from mobs
sand egret
ok, other example
winter aspen
We dont F with the gronk gang here
modern brook
GG runs deeper than u think man
sand egret
your DH just took his extra shot of sugar and is tweaking out. Unfortunately, his derpy ass got ALL the gear so he's got Mastery out the roof. In your attempts to Intercept to him to dodge an important mechanic, you realize his movement speed is too high.....but then you hear a faint whisper of hope. gonk gang
modern brook
hell yeah
sick sentinel
I would take gong for jaina tbh
as fury I have 105% movespeed because of my OH having 111 speed on it
and I never get hit by avalance
sand egret
I like getting anywhere faster.
sick sentinel
as prot I have 100% movespeed and get destroyed by avalance
winter aspen
Where kragwa gang at tho ?
sand egret
that cloak that gives you 9% MS after standing still for 4 seconds is my shit
sick sentinel
in the garbage lol
modern brook
Failing their 7 keys
winter aspen
Lmao
winter aspen
There must be a tactical advantage in 44 armor
sand egret
but Gonk Gang got me
modern brook
Squirtle was killed in the nazmir questline
astral crystal
shouldnt be getting hit by avalanche unless you're banking stacks
just clear them asap
modern brook
frog != turtle
sand egret
yeah thats true
modern brook
@winter aspen u'd think that but like, when was the last time u were in a situation and thought "OH GOSH DARN IT IF ONLY I HAD 44 ARMRO"
like at the end of the day
sick sentinel
I try to clear them before avalance but sometimes the is not fire closeby
astral crystal
yeah it's a little testy,if that happens i just leap during her cast to a nearby fire and drop them in that direction
p1 jaina is such a bitch, man
modern brook
Like at the end of the day all the options are super underwhelming
sand egret
kinda annoyed there wasn't a Jani Loa
modern brook
Jokes aside u take paku cause +4% crit in avatar is dope
sick sentinel
paku is the bomb
modern brook
Kimbul is whatever, Bwom heal is negligable
Gonk is gang
U roll zand for a) look cool and b) regeneratin
sand egret
🐢 value 🐢
modern brook
if ur doing it for anything else you're probly making a mistake tbh
sick sentinel
they can't make overpowered racials because then everybody will say that they did it to get money from race changes
which they got
sand egret
yeah, they're going to get money and get yelled at regardless
winter aspen
Zanda is op in looks tho
sick sentinel
and zandalari racials are not broken but just good enough to make people race change but no complained
modern brook
Zand is strong in looks
sick sentinel
regeneratin has saved me man
modern brook
Still a huge fan of Plate on orc
sick sentinel
the BT animation of 👡 is amazing
sand egret
cuz it's new/made with the latest and greatest modeling so people will go there and then complain that their choice isn't as good as other choices
modern brook
Zand pally seems like almost mandatory tbh at this point
modern brook
Zand in PvP will probably be as good as Pandas once ppl figure out regen disengages
sand egret
real talk I like trying to find times to fit in a tick or two
sick sentinel
I was going a KR 23 last week and my healer could not catch up with the spit golds
winter aspen
Pandas ?????
sand egret
adds a cool element of a "skill play" to the game for me
sick sentinel
so while she was focused on healing the dps
I jumped out during the circle thing and healed myself to full
sand egret
yeah shit like that is sick
or just do it during a RoP/Ursol's
even a single tick is really good
modern brook
@winter aspen yah pandas have a racial incap to make their gos stronger, but thats not #protection
unborn island
2nd boss in UR, is there an easy way to deal with the tantrums?
winter aspen
Yeah
unborn island
other than being organised and assigning zones
unborn island
heh
analog swift
I always just hold the boss in the middle then tell everyone to get the fuck away from where I am. I generally pop commanding on the second or third tantrum per healer discretion.
bronze lantern
holding boss in middle makes dodging the puke easier
analog swift
Yeah
unborn island
ah, I normally hold leap for tantrum for the speed boost
analog swift
Holding him at the edge is like stopping mech jockeys from going into peace keepers. Strat from early bfa when people didn’t know how to handle dungeons
gleaming rock
I need to go farm a shield Should I aim for KR or ML?
analog swift
Also thots about lusting first platform on siege? Everybody lust the last one but I don’t really see the purpose. As long as your time is saved your timed is saved. And I feel like you’d get the most out of lust by using it on openers (depending on comp). Thots?
Farm champions weekly
oblique garnet
you lust the last platform in siege after killing the demolisher
analog swift
Yeah I know that’s what everyone does
bronze lantern
depends on the key level
if you can beat 2 demo spawns without lust its pointless on last yes
sick sentinel
the demolisher in the last platform has 3 times the health of a normal demolisher
oblique garnet
youre effectively wasting lust on the first platform since the 2 tentacles are linked anyways
analog swift
I’m asking what people think about lusting on pull. Your saving time no matter where you use it right?
bronze lantern
kage on last platform siege you dont hit gripping until demo is dead
and you lust gripping
as new demo timer only starts on hitting gripping.
analog swift
^^ I didn’t think they were linked anymore
sick sentinel
well maybe my boomkin has been dotting both :C
oblique garnet
only the first platform demos are linked
bronze lantern
^
you can play it the same on second platform
less movement, and less overall dmg in demos
definetly worth doing
analog swift
Demo timer starts as soon as you hit it tho yeah?
bronze lantern
demo timer starts as soon as you hit gripping ond 2nd/3rd platform
so you can kill first demo without starting the timer
analog swift
Yeah first platform when you hit it
oblique garnet
Yes
bronze lantern
first platform insta starts
oblique garnet
It doesnt matter which you hit
bronze lantern
yup
unborn island
@gleaming rock Atal Dazar
bronze lantern
as everything is brought in combat on pull im guessing
oblique garnet
Yup
bronze lantern
the coding on that boss must be a fucking mess
oblique garnet
Charge does not work at all on the last platform
bronze lantern
you can charge from middle to all tentacles
sick sentinel
but you can charge on your melee
oblique garnet
My charge just consumed the charge and does nothing
Everytime
That platform is so fucked with pathing
Pet classes are broken
sick sentinel
2outlaw ww
bronze lantern
so your rdruid always runs on first boss
oblique garnet
i hate 3 melee
melee brain is too strong for them
they get hit by everything
always
sick sentinel
eh
vocal skiff
I heard that the timer on demo is not on hitting the grip, but on it "acquiring a target"
like, if healer is too close of the gripping
the countdown will begin
umbral forge
@oblique garnet
@sick sentinel
How tank +17 Freehold?
astral crystal
you can go ham this week
just be aware that they fixed the first boss
and he will despawn if dragged out of his ring
umbral forge
Cheers mate
shut summit
tclap the world
umbral forge
yes
astral crystal
some people opt not to pull the first 3 packs, i like it though
umbral forge
all my buttons are macroed with /cast thunderclap first
so that I don't accidentally do something else when I can clap
potent anvil
Can easily +2 FH this week. Heck, it was possible on a 20 last week and this week is pretty easy.
Minus Eudora, but most people are geared these days I think.
shut summit
long as people arent getting 1shot, should be easy since can intervene the shot if goes on them twice in row
potent anvil
Yeah
mellow kestrel
Anyone down to look at some logs and tell me where I can improve my DPS rotation?
I am having a very difficult time achieving more then 9.5k DPS as a Prot tank in BoD
I am very likely using my rage incorrectly for ignore pain and shield block
jovial haven
have you checked the guide?
mellow kestrel
Yes
bronze lantern
first boss is a bit more annoying now with the hotfix deswind
jovial haven
you could probably link your logs, and someone would probably look at it
astral crystal
check #449510248579858432 channel as well
mellow kestrel
Thank you
oblique garnet
2nd boss is easy as long as people dont go too greedily for the buffs
mellow kestrel
bronze lantern
you say second boss is easy
until you have one dude get hit 3 times in a row on 22
signal plover
After u get feedback plz change your name to Trained
mellow kestrel
lol
vocal skiff
should you take the barrels outside the boss room before the encounter in tol dagor?
sick sentinel
3rd boss in TD you start by moving one barrel on top of any other barrel and then going to the corner the barrel was
oblique garnet
@bronze lantern you can los those shots
sick sentinel
then they all explode at the same time
bronze lantern
yeah its fun to los 3 shots in a row as melee
sick sentinel
then you try to move the boss in the middle of the new barrels
sick sentinel
and you wait for her first cast
and you move the barrels out of that
and then free a side/corner move to there
@bronze lantern you can intercept the shots
and you block them
oblique garnet
also that
bronze lantern
thats the better suggestion, and yes
analog swift
This may just be me being bad but how the hell can you intercept so fast? Like find his target and intercept immediately? I guess you could just either have a macro or hover over the target target bar
undone sun
mouseover intercept macros are great
sick sentinel
also that
weary nacelle
sorry for the question, i read all of the above but i couldn't get it. What are you guys intervening in FH exactly? What shots?
signal plover
Flu shots
potent anvil
Powder Shots from Eudora.
weary nacelle
I see. Thanks!
signal plover
Ur welcome
weary nacelle
seems like i've been skipping most of these mechanics simply due to high gear and low keys (10-14) . So you never really realize what you should do, you just faceroll the boss.
modern brook
yea that sounds like wow
weary nacelle
But i guess if you try 20.. thats where the shit gets real
sadly, most of my friends are no longer playing, or they easily lose affection to the game, so i'm left a lone soldier hehe. Without people to talk to and manage a decent group, i don't find inspiration to go for 20 or even higher.
modern brook
weary nacelle
Well, game is not helping either. You have the LFG.. people group up even without saying Hi.. kill whatever there is to kill and just click 'leave group' without saying a word. Game's designed just went too casual and friendly for solo plays. So people don't seek interaction with other playerss. And i miss that a lot.
sick sentinel
I have a solid group of like 15 people I play with
all of them I found though lfg
I was just pugging stuff and after a certain point you op in talking into discord
and I kept in touch/added on battle tag whoever was both good and nice to be around
weary nacelle
that sounds really great I must say, and i'm happy to hear it turned out that way for you. Thanks for the heads up on this one.
heavy chasm
I'm the weird dude who wants disc for lowerish keys too just to develop that community aspect
Your less likely to get toxicity with voice, and actually get some comms. Even if its just shooting the shit. Since most people wont type I find
modern brook
@sick sentinel so why arent we battle tag buddies 😠
umbral forge
@sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
Did it on time lads
empty inlet
is shit trait worth 15 ilvl ?
fossil heron
hey does azerite veins proc chance increase per trait or is it the usual just higher number per trait?
ivory light
How is engi azerite helm? Won't be killing past champions as "alt" so either m+ helms or engineering helm
weary thorn
I use the engi helm and dont have any issues with it
ivory light
also siphoning vs quick nav? see a pretty even mix between most prot war's
been runnin quick nav fine in ~15s-18s, but wonderin if i should probs switch once start doing 19s+
rough egret
go crit
empty inlet
10% leech alredy if you have
rough egret
for more dps
empty inlet
go for siphoning
ivory light
just put siphoning on, its 2.5% not 10% leech
i could see it 100% worth if it was 10
junior hazel
Are warriors tanking mitigation’s pretty gear dependent? I have a 118 warrior and I just feel since I’ve been getting higher i can’t pull as much in dungeons. I also may be cyclinf through my defensives at bad times too.
ivory light
shield is your biggest gear dependency, so if you have crap shield you'll have crap mitigation
but shield block > ip, keep them rolling on CD
empty inlet
you want 10% leech before you echant siphoning
most warrior with the enchant are running 2 bloodsports with 10% leech
ivory light
oh i see, so including bloodsport leech at 10%.
hollow thorn
@junior hazel You get weaker as you level up, u lose ur legendaries etc. That may be why
ivory light
gotcha.
now just to figure how to get 10% with just bloodsport, seems like itd be way lower even with 2 415 bloodsports
empty inlet
playing dk in dungeons LUL
ivory light
Oh yeah, I'm running 2x bom it's great.
And 2x DC for anything under like 16s
Would run 3x DC under like 14 if I had 3rd piece of it.
sick sentinel
@modern brook idk, never had to add you
storm fulcrum
anyone know when the last time the prot hidden artifact appearance spawned?
modern brook
The answer is cause ur eu
sick sentinel
true
clear cradle
I just got my prot hidden appearance on Tuesday @storm fulcrum
sick sentinel
@storm fulcrum I don't think this information will help you, you just have to check every day
storm fulcrum
@clear cradle are you na or eu?
desert ice
Question about Block Chance. Does going above 100% block do anything? Like with Last Stand and SB up does it help Critically Block or anything?
old zephyr
Nope
clear cradle
I'm NA
ivory light
only thing is LS doesnt increase shield damage afaik
shield slam damage*
so if you have LS up, and IP up, with still excess fury you can SB to get the Shield Slam damage increase
desert ice
Mainly focused on M+, rolling x2 BoM as well.
ivory light
yeah, thats all I do is m+
desert ice
Thanks for the help. My warrior is like 2.6 but I just started playing him two weeks ago and have a laundry list of questions. Mind if I DM you some?
old zephyr
go ahead
ivory light
go for it
olive merlin
Engineering helm worth pursuing if you aren't a raider? Would take me forever to get enough breath from lfr.
ivory light
so youre not raiding at all? Yikes id say dont bother
do you do m+? if youre doing a 10 every week, just use TR helmets
should be doing at least heroic to make bwonsamdi shit worth it tbh, or some method.
olive merlin
Yes getting a 10 every week
I raid but and warlocking or shamaning.. our tanks are pretty solid in their spots.
Am*
lime mantle
Christ redeeming
heavy chasm
F
patent flower
I can get it up to 18.6 but I don't want to take TC.
I would rather take the two RF.
ivory light
im not, i just wondered why tf some people do more so
lusty grotto
Nerf does because he has amazing rng luck with leech on his high ilvl armor
ionic fern
Some people have a ton of leech so they just roll with it.
lusty grotto
But even then, there's no reason to do so
Like late said, he's a bdk main, he misses self sustain
So please let's stop spreading misinformation about leech and siphoning
sick sentinel
Avoidance is the real stat to give a fuck about
lusty grotto
There's one dude here that keeps saying go siphoning, I won't call em out, but it's flat out bad advice
sick sentinel
Or speed if ur zanda and want to gang on them fools who disrespect gonn
chilly brook
You’re not wrong
patent flower
I ran the siphoning this week and it was aight. I had 11% leech.
naive panther
Avoidance for blockade ftw. I was at 20% with only losing like 1k hp
Well only as the soak tank
chilly brook
Really tho siphoning isn’t worth
patent flower
Its not - i did it for the memes with 3x Bloodsport
sick sentinel
It is for that dummy thicc claps
umbral forge
The past week I've' grown my score with 400.
Thanks guys
chilly brook
👌🏻
lusty grotto
Gz
chilly brook
Now don’t let anyone tell you that the warrior discord isn’t helpful 🙃
umbral forge
Failed a Shrine +14
by 2 minutes
DH did 19k overall DPS
I did 23k
feels sad man
did a +17 FH on time though
heavy chasm
When you miss a plus 2 13 shrine by 16 seconds
Because your ranged pug missed the interrupt on the tentacle fucker twice
old zephyr
My First 9 ever was missed by 1 seconde
heavy chasm
And kills your healer.. twice
chilly brook
How the hell does a DH do less damage than you?
heavy chasm
Because someone forgot to empty the druul cup?
umbral forge
I think a combination of me being 12 ilvls above him and him having a HoA level 37 + he died everywhere made me do more damage than him
heavy chasm
That's just him not living to do numbers
chilly brook
Lmao
heavy chasm
Dead : less dps
weary thorn
I know I've said this before, but I ran a 10 UR a couple weeks ago and a 1200 io (current season) DH did 3.7k dps overall
chilly brook
RIP get a new DH
weary thorn
not mine, was a pug
umbral forge
was the outlaw rogue on his alt.
Otherwise I would be pumpin mad
heavy chasm
Hey now
Maybe he was playing momentum..?
You dont know, you weren't there. Totally makes for more then 3 buttons lol
umbral forge
https://raider.io/characters/eu/stormscale/nettom
I'm really happy about this.
All of Legion I was terrified of going over 11, as well as S1 and most of S2 here.
Listening to you guys and hearing how fun high keys was I decided "fuck it", it's easily the funniest thing in the game.
Watch me get 1600 score before the end of the week
umbral forge
mate if I was pressing deva more than I had to I doubt it'd be below charge
chilly brook
I know
umbral forge
I'm contemplating removing it
chilly brook
I’m just saying that’s probably normal