Thank you i appreciate it
#protection
dawn shuttle
exotic spoke
Anything up to a 20 can be done by a solid group of players with minimal synergy
Sure, the comps listed will make it easier assuming equal skill. But theh aren’t the deciding factor
modern brook
Didnt they fix everything wrong with ww?
ww is secret op rn
ppl just dont play monk until after its shown to be busted shitless
little ravine
370 razen or 395 vial peeps? the other is a 410 block which im 100% using
for mythic+ i should add
im very torn
wary gyro
395
analog swift
@modern brook yeah they did
wary gyro
It's not worth dropping 25 ilvl for rezan
analog swift
I main ww (used to) and the double rings are insane for ww
But they had some bugs really holding them back.
little ravine
thanks peeps, that makes sense
sick sentinel
bugs are fixed
analog swift
Yeah
Basically their best aoe trait
Wasn’t copied by the clones
So you legit did less damage
modern brook
Yeah its like a 80% damage increase innit?
heavy chasm
Wasnt there a bunch of shit with wdp too
heavy chasm
Basically like our leap xD
analog swift
Instead of 135*
Yeah lothar there was
Basically wdp (massive aoe) could only be hard when fof/rsk were on cd
But during high haste the game would think that they were off cd
So you couldn’t wdp
But your abilities were in cd so you couldn’t use them either
The bugs were so bad I just re rolled because it was too frustrating
warm plinth
Yeah, you'd have to wait til RSK was off CD again, recast it, and then the game would be like "oh yeah lol, you can cast that now"
modern brook
I wont pretend to know how WW works
I just know they fixed a lot of bugs that heavily gimped their output and didnt nerf anything
so theoretically their output is nuts rn
tardy berry
wassup guys.
quick question:
1 BS & 1 Brace for Impact
vs
2 CR ?
thinking the first but I wanted you guyses opinion on that 😃
sick sentinel
tardy berry
yea the DR on CR don't stack either does it?
supple path
Actually it does stack I believe, exception to the normal rules of thumb about it.
wary gyro
Still not as good as our other spec traits though
supple path
Yeah - if you're doing a m+ where you're only concerned about your DPS it'd beat BS/BfI, but that's a bit fringe.
modern brook
Cr dr stacks with additional traits
Up to a little less than 4.5%dr after diminishing returns
Still a meh choice even in ao
If u want mongo dps go 3 DC, if u want survival literally every other option is beyter
sand egret
I had to give up a BoM last night. Sad times.
umbral forge
any weak aura for auto marking the bots spawning on grong mythic?
brave mauve
modern brook
Yall think theres space to double pull first boss room of kr?
This week*
Like the 2 front ones
vocal skiff
I hate that room, so I wouldn't do it. But I think there might be
vocal skiff
I know they removed some mobs from teeming
modern brook
I havent seen it
wary gyro
KR should be fine this week
brave mauve
On a 10? I'd double pull and give em the clap, sure.
15? I wouldn't, but some might?
jovial haven
tell you what bull, you do that big pull and let us know how it goes. we will be here for support
modern brook
I might
Iunno
Big fan of trash pulls in freehold rn
It just a dungeon of triple pulls
We grabbed both ravager packs and the horsie man together
I mean it was only a 12 but ezpz pull
vocal skiff
I think the new meta is to triple pull the first 3 packs, and shroud later
sick sentinel
hey guys can any of you help me with a suicide macro for jaina mythic?
for p3
😄
please
warm plinth
What do you mean by suicide macro o_O
brave mauve
Macro: ||/use Zanzil's Slow Poison|| ||Just make sure you use it a week beforehand||
wary gyro
And?
sick sentinel
thats what i meant 😄
wary gyro
Just turn your back to the boss
wary gyro
You will die in 1-2 casts
brave mauve
Just gonna be a gigantic /cancelaura macro, and you'll almost certainly run out of characters
warm plinth
But yeah you can also do that, because you can't block/dodge/parry if your back is turned.
analog swift
@modern brook I recall kr being awful with teeming before but I guess that would make sense as a dungeon that would have teeming mobs removed
wary gyro
KR is awful teeming fort week it's not bad without fort
heavy chasm
Fort is far and away worse then tyrannical
modern brook
I mean teeming in the past gave like an extra crusher ans like that's it?
vocal skiff
I am just getting into the world of log review
modern brook
And the purity construct inn2nd room
warm plinth
Yikes
modern brook
I figure u can make up some time double pulling the 2 packs in first boss room
Pull the puri construct with all the slimes
wary gyro
How does that even happen
sick sentinel
I am ashamed
wary gyro
24 volcanic hits?
vocal skiff
yeah
wary gyro
What class is he
wary gyro
Ah there we go
sick sentinel
I didn't survive the pull before priestess in AD
heavy chasm
Fuck
sick sentinel
shame me
warm plinth
What spec hunter, just curious?
heavy chasm
Why would it matter Haha?
warm plinth
Not really, but if it's BM, it's even more sad
vocal skiff
BM
sick sentinel
to be fair, it was not the reason we depleted the key
jovial haven
tell your healer to push buttons harder to heal you
modern brook
At least he kicked
jovial haven
^
modern brook
I went 19 minutes into a dungeon before their kick went on my wa
warm plinth
Man, only 19? That's a good interrupter
warm plinth
Wow
modern brook
It was like 49, 18, 3
heavy chasm
F
warm plinth
What were the other 2?
jovial haven
i did a waycrest a while back on my dk and had 42 interupts and the next persom had 12
modern brook
I get missing some due to stacking kicks
primal sable
you know what grinds my gears
modern brook
But like at some point u either adapt or call it
primal sable
when DHs dont interrupt
heavy chasm
Man I wish we got rage for it
warm plinth
That'd be cool
heavy chasm
Like please
warm plinth
Or how about like 5% haste for 6 seconds or something
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah lol, something like that
modern brook
Qhat if when we pummel
heavy chasm
You silenced them for a few
modern brook
That's an 8.0 meme for all u rerollers
heavy chasm
Shockwave barrier hello
warm plinth
😂
heavy chasm
This is league right
sick sentinel
the 6% damage increase was a MoP glyph btw
jovial haven
banner was fun in WoD for big pulls
but could be bad in bfa with some dungeon areas lol
heavy chasm
I'd even rake the charge and intervene being split
It's not bad as is
But you could have some good shit split
With double time haha
jovial haven
charge and intervene should be 2 different abilities
heavy chasm
Used to be
heavy chasm
But less buttons is good am right
jovial haven
not always
don't get me wrong, i don't want 26 buttons to push but somethings should have been left alone
fresh valley
welp guys
mission accomplished
+15 season two achievement complete!
❤ all of you for getting me started in tanking!
couldn't have done it without y'all!!!
ionic fern
GOod job.
warm plinth
Congrats!
heavy chasm
Couldn't help it. Need to able to fit the entire specializtion on one action bar
jovial haven
well jokes on you, I use 2 bars lol
vocal skiff
Continuing the log discussion, in a 35 min dungeon, how much avatar uptime can one expect
or a good benchmark anyway
jovial haven
how many times can you press avatar in 35min?
jovial haven
not many dungeons have down time for travel, in fact KR is only one i can think of really
granted that's not counting doing skips.
there's not really a number to aim for i don't believe but you want to be using it as much as possible
everyone pulls differently, thus making the amount of avatars change. what you pull in 5 pulls is different from like bulls 5 pulls so you could get 3 avatars in that time where bull would get 1-2
vale basalt
Guys im coming back after like 3 months
jovial haven
welcome back
vale basalt
What are THE teinkets for prot now?
jovial haven
jovial haven
3months off, won't have much, especially ilvl wise
but people tend to favor rezan's/block/vial/ alch trink if need be
if you're looking for trinkets to farm
sick sentinel
or the trinket from the 4rth boss
jovial haven
yes, diamond i forgot about that
vale basalt
Is jes howler still strong?
vale basalt
Check
jovial haven
im hoping to get diamond thursday
dry whale
is it worth having 2deafening crashes? and if no is brace for impact or iron fortress better (already got 1 iron fortress)
ionic fern
Pure DPS wise for AoE Yes.
dry whale
Defensive wise is brace for impact or iron fortress better if i already got 1 iron fortress?
sick sentinel
mdi does not mean to really high keys
going hard and going fast are 2 different things
drowsy relic
Yeah I’m practicing for mdi east atm and curious what people were running in the west
dry whale
Vial and lace?
drowsy relic
I was thinking lace + giga
oblique garnet
gore + anchor
sick sentinel
anchor?
drowsy relic
I don’t trust gore procs tbh
sick sentinel
actually yeah, sounds pretty good
oblique garnet
was best
drowsy relic
Wouldn’t you run rezan instead of block?
drowsy relic
Since crit barely provides offensive and defensive value
Or does rezan just proc less?
sick sentinel
crit has the most offensive and most defensive (against melee heavy dungeon) value per point in mplus
fierce remnant
Hey, does stacking BoM worth it?
sick sentinel
rezan and goreblock is exactly the same item, with the only change being what stat
narrow abyss
M+ yes
sick sentinel
@fierce remnant #268491842637660160
drowsy relic
Isn’t it against auto attack damage? But if you’re in a freehold, higher SB uptime would just be bette for smoothing damage
sick sentinel
you have enough SB
inland mesa
hmmm, I've been running 420 diamond, rezan, would you do gore instead of one of them? only score I can really get now is a select few 18s, and 19+
sick sentinel
the build that took the least damage was 25% haste without into the fray and the rest on crit
inland mesa
where are you seeing all these stats o.O
sick sentinel
what levels is your rezan and your gore block?
I am talking about stuff that @oblique garnet went and tested
and logged
inland mesa
410 rezan cuz happy cache day yesterday, 400 block, 420 diamond with socket
analog swift
Related. 405 block 400 rezans and 420 diamond
sick sentinel
in the TR
inland mesa
doesn't 25% get SB down to 12 seconds for smoothing?
sick sentinel
almost 10 iirc
analog swift
Isn’t that effectively gcd cap with x5 into the fray?
analog swift
Whoops
sick sentinel
deswind said today that if a piece does not have crit on it he doesn't want it
inland mesa
no itf? what instead O.O and I was going 420 diamond and 410 rezan just because of ilvl and more stat
sick sentinel
you are using ITF dude
drowsy relic
On the east TR everyone is running 3 dc 3 bom- but it seems weird to take 3 dc in a lot of keys
analog swift
I think he meant pre into the fray
inland mesa
ohhh, I read that wrong, yeah, that
analog swift
More damage is more damage
sick sentinel
3DC 3BoM is the best for AoE dps
inland mesa
I read it as get 25 and do something besides itf
analog swift
Although I’d be interested to see a breakdown of a third dc vs an if
I guess you couldn’t even math it out because so much of dc damage comes during avatar
sick sentinel
third DC would come on top by miles
inland mesa
Kaege you'd use the 410 rezan over the 400 block, ye? figured static strength was stronger, but now this crit talk makes me question. I've run WM so many damn times how don't I have a higher gore
sick sentinel
I would go 420 diamond+410 rezan
inland mesa
didn't someone log and math out that 2 IF 1 DC would do more across the dungeon than 3 DC, but 3 DC is memeclap aoe dream
analog swift
I wouldn’t be surprised if that napkin math adds up
sick sentinel
I am checking on the 20AD I just did
drowsy relic
Who did? I’m keen to check it out lol
sick sentinel
IF did 600k damage
analog swift
But you’re using so many thunderclaps during avatar
sick sentinel
1.5% of my damage
analog swift
You have to way dc even more
sick sentinel
across 663 hits
analog swift
Weigh*
inland mesa
that with one IF?
sick sentinel
1IF
oblique garnet
5 itf
inland mesa
is it direct that 2 IF would have made that 1.2 mil then?
inland mesa
hmmm, and 2 DC to 3 DC is what per hit, so you'd have to see how many TC hits you have and add that out
isn't it only like 255 damage?
sick sentinel
474 damage on DC on a 415
inland mesa
how many hits of DC did ya have?
sick sentinel
1406 hits
analog swift
Yeet
sick sentinel
420 casts
hidden panther
Is there anything speacial needs to be done when trying to [spell reflect] the debuff from first boss hc?
sick sentinel
jump away after the cast and SR when she comes to you
analog swift
Use it when he’s casting abilities
inland mesa
hmmm, so 1.332mil vs the 1.2 mil ish from double IF
sick sentinel
it's easier to 
on mythic and reset stacks compared to HC
inland mesa
and that's without accounting for talent, avatar
sick sentinel
DC is strictly better for AoE dps
inland mesa
so close, one is just more aoe potential and the other is just boss help?
sick sentinel
but it does not have a defensive component
inland mesa
true IF gives ya that double stacked for about 100k or so damage across a dungeon potentially then
sick sentinel
the thing with IF is
that at 415 ilvl
it is like having 10 ilvls more on your shield
inland mesa
unless I pull huge and stupid, I don't feel I need a ton of defensive atm, but I'm only running 18/19s for IO atm
per point?
sick sentinel
per trait
analog swift
@sick sentinel what’s your damage per t clap?
inland mesa
I got lucky and have a 420 shield off blockade
sick sentinel
average was 13k
analog swift
Hm
inland mesa
running 3 BoM 2 DC and a callous atm as that's what RNG gods gave me, but I have enough for a specific if I want to buy something. Maybe a BoM IF or BoM DC for the aoe meme
inland mesa
yeah I have no visage which hurts, 1 AV, think one resounding
sick sentinel
I am DC/gismo/2BoM/1CR/1IF
I could swap one CR for one IF
but I am not because I get shit inner and shit middle traits
whereas the BoM/CR piece that I am using has blood siphon and gemhide
inland mesa
ugh I logged out in raid gear
Alright
Helm of Tempered Jade - BoM/Callous/Gut/Gem
Dyno - BoM/DC/AV/Long
BP of Divine - BoM/DC/Earth/Glory
Debating if I should random roll Helm, BP, or buy a specific one of them, or save and see if they're silly and don't reset residuum for 8.2 and buy big pieces XD
cobalt compass
guys
what is the precise % of the stats ?
i mean how much haste should i have and how much vers?
inland mesa
ilvl
sick sentinel
you get as much haste as you can without dropping ilvl
if you are focusing on raids your second stat should be vers if you are focusing on mplus then your second stat should be crit
inland mesa
my alt monk I barely play has gotten 3 425 pieces from the cache...and my warrior has gotten 1 upgrade the entire time
sick sentinel
do not drop ilvl for any of those stats
sick sentinel
a 415 mastery/vers will be better than a 410 haste/crit
inland mesa
was crit for push, or just for timing in MDI?
sick sentinel
well it was tested in the tournament realm
inland mesa
I mean, with ilvl being king I don't really have gear to flip haha, unless I get WF stuff to 415 it's not even an upgrade or swap for stats
distant crystal
how do you mean
like they picked heavy crit crit/haste pieces and it outperformed heavy haste or?
also what options do they have for 415 gear, just raid?
besides azerite
oblique garnet
it scales them up to 415
umbral forge
I've been wiping on Grong mythic all night.
shut summit
😬
distant crystal
my guild has a knack for doing bosses with strats that are way harder than necessary
and wiping a bunch until the stars align and we kill it
when we started interrupting the tank combo with orb toss on grong
oblique garnet
no dont think so
steel mauve
no, cant do any thing defensively during channels
steel mauve
there was one i believe in legion that you could channel and still block/parry/dodge if i recall
supple path
Our artifact being the most noteworthy one yeah.
steel mauve
legion or wod i cant remember
undone sun
grong's isn't a true channel
meaning, if i remember correctly, you can block/parry/dodge
steel mauve
well our artifact in legion specifical stated you could block during it, i mean trinkets
brittle ledge
hello guys
is there anywhere i can find tips for bosses as prot warrior
was told to spell reflect the thrid boss in ML
but don't really know what to reflect
primal sable
you reflect the dot she puts on you
chemical burn
theres a spreadsheet of what you can reflect or block in resources
warm plinth
if you have LittleWigs, there should be a timer
brittle ledge
i am using dbm
primal sable
yea just stand inside her model and reflect when the timer is at 2-3 sec
open bluff
if you reflect too early i've noticed she has a tendency to not even bother casting on the tank
vocal skiff
it's proximity based
brittle ledge
thank you for the tips guys
warm plinth
Are you sure it's not a distance thing? She only casts on the closest 2 people
If your melee are up her ass, she'll cast it on them instead
open bluff
i've been right up on her and not had it cast on me even with an all ranged comp so
maybe it bugged that one time
¯_(ツ)_/¯
but i 100% had reflect up before the casts went out
warm plinth
It's probably because she knows you play a monk
open bluff
lol
open bluff
looks like fire
warm plinth
Yeah it looks like it's fire most of the time
umbral forge
Not interrupts, fire?
warm plinth
If you go to a specific attempt, click Analyze (in the row to the right at the top), then click Deaths, it'll show you what everyone died to
warm plinth
Are you calling for wipes because too many DPS/healers die, or because tanks are dying?
open bluff
^
context is important
are you standing in fire after the wipe is called?
need to know where we should be looking
warm plinth
Tanks are dying to shit a lot 🤔
marble cipher
I finally broke 100k on a reaping pack!!
Probably not that special, but for me it was a milestone, triple BoM, I love you!
marble cipher
Thanks!
oblique garnet
@umbral forge are you rotating healing cds
umbral forge
..Can you elaborate please, I'm not smart
oblique garnet
when are you popping the tantrum
umbral forge
I think whenever the guy who grabbed it panics
umbral forge
its more that
FROM WHAT I CAN TELL
interrupts are so bad the guy just has to pop it ASAP he gets the orb
chrome orchid
should i use my vial (395) or howler(400)?
warm plinth
Vial
sand egret
tfw you see the Prot M+ guide pop up in the news channel and the first paragraph is them saying its written by a BDK 😦
opal peak
😦
sand egret
what worse is that someone without much information will read that and ask us about haste breakpoints...
as this makes no mention of ANY other value from Haste other than its SB reduction....
sand egret
still block uptime
weary veldt
is grongs primal rage actually any good
sand egret
make literally no mention of the feedback loop AM creates with Haste (another very strong argument for Haste's value)
empty inlet
what he say contradict it self
sand egret
he's basically saying, "Bosses that hit hard you need to block" and that haste means higher uptime which is crucial on big bosses with busters
(but no mention that these bosses all have ways to regain block charges in natural combat)
but that is mentioned in another section. I just don't like a) it implies breakpoints and b) it gives a one-sided picture to Haste's value
mystic ginkgo
!trinkets
empty inlet
llol they hot fix the first boss on frehold
sick sentinel
what do you mean
shut summit
Ye actually hafta dodge bird / shit on ground now
empty inlet
leave the cirle
narrow abyss
UHOH
elder summit
guys
i have the engenieering 415 glasses and there is a trait that looks weird
it reduce the damage i get in 5% but deals damage with a 2000 meters range ?
empty inlet
i am in it atm
elder summit
So Synaptic Spark Capacitor is broken or what?
empty inlet
but i am on na
oblique garnet
I cant find anything on the hotfix
empty inlet
undocumented changes prob
willow scarab
Does anyone have tips for surviving on Jaina
Both the other tank and I are dying in P2 once the stacks get to around 8
Are you just rotating externals the whole time?
stone cloud
Block mor
oblique garnet
@empty inlet how far away did you move from the ring?
empty inlet
shorter than usual
empty inlet
100% fixed on na
oblique garnet
oh yeah 100% resets if the boss is taken outside with charge
lusty grotto
🤷
oblique garnet
you dont take it outside during p1
supple path
(I totally took it outside of the ring in P1 and was never punished for it, I'm a monster)
stone cloud
After the dismount you move out 4head
narrow abyss
yeah always did it p2 cause of reset p1 personally
empty inlet
doing 10s on this week is so fun
stone cloud
10’s any week lul
lusty grotto
im still confused
supple path
10s are way more fun on weeks without bolstering/bursting/"don't pull too many packs" mechanics
lusty grotto
what do you mean after the dismount you move out, why?
warm plinth
It makes it so the slime and charge can't hit you is what I was told
stone cloud
The green shit don’t get thrown outside the ring
sick sentinel
hi guys, anyone got weak aura for stacks of Ice shard of jaina mythic?
lusty grotto
but managing the poop is easy...
supple path
Keep one person in middle, melee outside of ring = all green goop goes to middle, melee never have to move ever
lusty grotto
it targets the closest one to the bird as he's flying
narrow abyss
range don't have to deal with any mechanics with the ranged out way. they don't get hit by powder shot or poop
stone cloud
Not if outside ring
narrow abyss
but we're changing to melee out way recently
stone cloud
Also even if bird charges straight at you it won’t hit you
stone cloud
It’s just a training dummy at that point
lusty grotto
the poop?
stone cloud
It didn’t last nights
lusty grotto
well that's a no big deal
empty inlet
if the bird is in melee
oblique garnet
it does reset now
marble cipher
I did it two hours ago, didn't reset, I dragged him out in P2. Eu
lusty grotto
its easy to manage anyway
lusty grotto
have one ranged/heals close to bird at all times, dodge charges
empty inlet
ya its hotfixed just now
stone cloud
Meh
lusty grotto
hmm
supple path
Those pugs I taught about the spot two days ago are going to be so sad when they try to do it themselves then.
lusty grotto
cant los shots then?
stone cloud
Nim said it... it’s not difficult to deal with anyways
lusty grotto
or can you still do it
supple path
I refuse to believe Blizzard correctly hotfixed it on their first try. There's gotta still be a sweet spot.
lusty grotto
cause the shots on high tyr are the real killers
and if you can't still LoS them, that's a rip-a-rooni
empty inlet
tbh
narrow abyss
yeah
empty inlet
knowing blizzard they will probably reduce the damage of azerite shot
narrow abyss
they kinda should
lusty grotto
well the question is whether they are still LoSable or not
but if they do that
they might as well also nerf eudora's
empty inlet
definately can still los on first boss
lusty grotto
ok cool
empty inlet
since the spot was inside the arena
willow scarab
You could still tank on the side of the circle and melee can stand outside the ring
Would work almost the same
empty inlet
ya not even worth anymore
oblique garnet
actually hard now
stoic pilot
I wonder what prompts them doing this after seeing it literally for months and then randomly deciding to change it
sick sentinel
-Go on to wow head-
"we got a m+ for prot warrior!"
Oh cool, I hope its somone that--
"Written by this FoTM fuckwad who literally jumped ship because he's shit"
🤔
empty inlet
hey man lepan is not bad
open bluff
to be fair
sick sentinel
He's not a bad player, don't get me wrong
But, u can't make figure out how to work with a nerf?
thin mica
....
empty inlet
if youre playing dk in keys youre trolling
sick sentinel
It's just more annoying to me personally that we got a literal FoTM reroller writing a guide then a person who's played prot for longer, even if they only started playing prot last expansion
I can't take that person or guide seriously, even if he is good
oblique garnet
lepan is not the greatest warrior player tho
empty inlet
lets be real warrior skill cap is low just shield block 3 times and last stance
oblique garnet
yeah if you dont minmax sure
sick sentinel
U can say that about any tank spec really
Because that's the very basics of tanking
Hit x buttons, don't die
Tanking 101 right there
sick sentinel
Getting drunk on the job is not a skill blade
marble cipher
BrM is hard kay!!!!
sick sentinel
marble cipher
/s
sick sentinel
As much as we love to point and laugh and shit at vDH, I could imagine they feel the same way we did in 8.0
sick sentinel
That we were 5th class citizen because people found prot "hard" which meant "bad"
sand egret
its prob a bit worse for them, because they have some legit numbers probs
sick sentinel
We didn't feel weak but treated like shit
sand egret
yeah perception was the brunt of it imho
sick sentinel
I still have a fucking file of SS of people whispering me that they didn't take me because I was prot
That same shit is happening to vDH, hell it's happening to fucking ferals. I literally added new SS a few days ago
oblique garnet
i got hit by the " I dont want any elitists in my group while im doing weekly key"
declined from 11 fh
old zephyr
dense flame
oblique garnet
i just want the mount
covert cypress
What mount?
oblique garnet
sharkbait
covert cypress
Oh the Parrot?
fossil spindle
Huh. Got in the 1st week. Not that impressive.
sick sentinel
The worst will always be looking for X .io
The peson is 200+ lower than what they want
short nest
do i need my activ migation while last stand with Bolster talented? no or cause i block anyways right?
umbral forge
- 1762 is absurd and 1764 is far too much.
All my pugs should have 1736 r.io
Sash do you mean Shield Block?
short nest
yes
umbral forge
You don't need it - try not to overlap it unless you go for the extra Shield slam damage
mortal brook
last stand time is super good time to let your SB be recharging 😄
old night
think of last stand as a 12 second shield block
if bolster is slotted as a talent
dont cast SB, route excess rage to IP
sick sentinel
Unless u want to teach the enemy the true meaning of not giving a fuck and fear, don't shield block
oblique garnet
@sand egret also the problem when i then get accepted into those groups they are always giving me critic because "Your route is bad" when its not the one on raiderio
old night
i'll sometimes cast SB with a second or two left on last stand tho so theres no overlap
oblique garnet
and usually the raiderio route is not that good
old night
most of the time if I'm in LS I'll dump into IP or hard cast revenge if I need to bleed rage if IP isn't over left to maximize my mitigation from IP
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet i honestly could not be bothered to look up or use a route for pugs
warm plinth
@oblique garnet You basically just got the WoW version of "we'd love to hire you but you're a bit overqualified"
oblique garnet
if they link me route i take a look at it
old night
just be sure to recast to hit your IP ceiling before the timer runs out otherwise you'll start back at square one
make sense @short nest ?
oblique garnet
but if the route is shit im not gonna do it
empty inlet
i highly doubt drantos runs the route he links
halcyon fable
I always forget to run routes or even set them up
white hamlet
@willow scarab for jaina if you're dying at ~8 stacks it's likely you're cycling cds way too early
You don't even have to use anything other than SB before that point and theres only a few times you go above 10 which LS or SW will be up
Her tank damage outside lust is really low
orchid token
Be easier especially if you can link logs
it's possible you could just be taking 5 ice shards in a row with minimal healing because the healers are overwhelmed learning the phase, if you're progging that's a possibility
sick sentinel
The spell or the company?
sick sentinel
how?
willow scarab
@white hamlet thank you
sick sentinel
So like always?
opal peak
wha?
empty inlet
This is recently hot fix
sick sentinel
U sure?
empty inlet
Like 2 hr ago
opal peak
nah once he demounts u take him just outside the ring to avoid poo
but they fixed it a few hours ago
white hamlet
i notice a lot of people over supplement SB with LS on jaina when she has giga downtime and then its not up when you actually need it
sick sentinel
Cause thats happened to on the few times I had him outside the ring
willow scarab
As a whole I have the problem of not using LS often enough when SB is down, so the opposite
sick sentinel
He'd just despawn on me
opal peak
u musta gone too far
sick sentinel
Probably
willow scarab
Still getting use to Bolster
white hamlet
are you doing all the avalanches?
willow scarab
Yeah every single one
white hamlet
yeah thats the best role tbh, not for dps
you get like 16-18 stacks twice in that rotation
LS one SB the other
p1 has some variance if she just decides not to cast properly
willow scarab
If you really need nothing but LS then that would make it a healer issue for me to be dying around 8?
I can see if I die again tonight through just LS and IP
white hamlet
could be if youre getting nothing but ehrps is like 10k so if youre not getting 10k i'd be surprised
white hamlet
imagine calling one of the best traits useless
white hamlet
not a lot of tough competition on t3s
modern brook
vamp speed vs IV / RP in infested meta was no contest
short vale
@fh you can still tank first boss on the edge of the circle and you + 2 melee can stand out spread enough. Just dont step back and you'll be fine
heavy brook
Ayo real quick question, does SB work on Jaina's damage? Seeing as she's just constantly casting spells and nothing much to block
orchid token
ice shard is blockable
modern brook
#268491842637660160 has a blockable list
heavy brook
Ah thanks!
stoic pilot
Vamp speed I’m assuming is nice on reaping too when there’s just an assload of mobs that you can’t keep debuff off permanently
Haven’t had the luxury of having a piece on it to try it yet
timber nest
feels fucking bad man... lose so much haste but 10 ilevels :/
lucid kelp
400 haste vers ring vs 415 crit vers ring?
timber nest
ilevel > all
lucid kelp
even tho its like 5% haste lost?
stoic pilot
More stats > haste
lucid kelp
kk
timber nest
stats are almost even for prot war, haste is just more dmg
old night
@warm plinth got grong shoulders last night. What which would you rec? Helm/Chest linked for reference
i'm thinking grong for raid and the horned horror for M+
warm plinth
Yeah, I think that's a good idea too.
chrome orchid
does Jaina do any physical damage at all? should i even bother pressing shielf block or jsut spend all rage on IP?
chrome orchid
ah ok thank you
jolly coral
Butchers block or refracting prism?
leaden grail
quick question: im relatively new to tanking, did a +16 ML tyrannical, the last boss hit me like a truck. are his hits even blockable? it felt like I didn't block a thing
mortal pike
Prism for survival block for damage
sick sentinel
sorry I was busy fucking up and losing my raidspot on jaina
I saw we talked about freehold fucking us straight up the ass
did we shit on lepan's guide yet?
he says to use spell reflect for the reaping casters
and the poor guys are going to use spell reflect
and get it consumed insta by reflecting 1 application of the dot
fresh valley
as opposed to?
sick sentinel
you can stun the mobs and use spell reflect and they will hit you all at the same time and you can spell reflect multiple dots at once
orchid token
shhh dont spread secrets
fresh valley
i've been doing that, but on accident, not intentionally lol
ever since someone told SR works on the masterminds because they're casting at the same time
i try to reset casts and SR
works well in shrine
sick sentinel
yeah that's something you should do all the time
vocal quiver
@leaden grail - last boss is magic damage
leaden grail
so you only IP on the last boss? that explains a lot.
fresh valley
yeah, funnel all rage into IP pretty much, SR can mitigate a shot
orchid token
2nd last boss is also magic dmg
im surprised you didnt feel thato ne hitting as hard
that one is arguably worse than last boss
leaden grail
dunno, 2nd to last was super chill. i just spell reflected every 2nd debuff and we rotated cds for the rest
I just checked details, still got the segments. i took 13k damage per second on the last boss, and 20k on the 2nd to last. It really felt like it was the other way round
inland mesa
two heed my call, or 1 heed and 1 unstable flames?
timber nest
hmm, you think this is just worth selling or actually equipping? we kill opulence every week so i could technically get those feet TF
modern brook
Is the prot meme still posting absurd B values?
open bluff
@timber nest sell unless you're not hurting for gold; that's worth quite a bit
sharp sable
so how bad is prot gonna get nerfed next
oblique garnet
@scarlet basalt 400
Below works
Prot warrior is gonna get the paladin treatment after mdi
scarlet basalt
Explain the paladin treatment
orchid token
yeah i dont get that, what's paladin treatment
through legion and bfa paladin is the only tank class that has never seen major buffs or nerfs at any point within the expansion
lucid kelp
If Im looking to expand my repetoire for Raid encounters
Should I roll up a Blood DK or Prot Pally to be my alt?
I do love my warrior but..sometimes we need an extra bop or an extra grip or something
ivory light
Belf vs zandalari racials?
white hamlet
@lucid kelp cant go wrong with either, bdk is shit imo but grips still mandatory in some fights and its a good niche to have 1 of in the guild
lucid kelp
well we do already have a Blood DK so..I should prolly just roll Pally
white hamlet
ez
if warrior gets nerfed and theres no other tank changes paladins definitely going to be on top
hoping for some druid vdh buffs but blizzard balancings pretty dogshit currently so i dont have high hopes
white hamlet
probs just a 100% thunderclap nerf and then ill have to go back to residentfuckingsleeper brewmaster
bring back legion druid
astral crystal
target cap to clap wouldn't make sense
bom/tclap damage nerf would make more sense
open bluff
it wouldn't
but this is also blizzard we're talking about
people will qq, so blizz will go overboard
white hamlet
target cap to clap would be an instant reroll
open bluff
they'll change something and update the tooltip "in a future patch" then remove the ability next expac
oh wait we're in skyhold not peak
white hamlet
feelsbad being a monk because ur class is boring as shit but still the best defensive tank so you know youre not getting any good changes
trash damage no offensive cds and the least relevant active mit 👎
vocal skiff
Felt bad today to reset the bird boss in FH
And then wiped to council
wasted 2 lusts, and still nearly timed lol
I felt bad for resetting the first boss, but then I found out that it was hotfixed
sick sentinel
Im forunate that i never knew about that shit so Im already used to it
Honestly the real issue about that boss is gun jammed to the side of your mouth
Because people cant use their fucking eyes
oblique garnet
Thats gonna make high tyrannical fh annoying
sick sentinel
Lets be real, if the problem is the bird shit, then things really gotta be evaluated about everyone
Since its just a matter of paying attention when he calls out for it
oblique garnet
One powdershot + greenshit is literally a oneshot
astral crystal
brid shit is definitely not the problem, powdershot fucking trucks
sick sentinel
Which is why if the birdshit is fucking u up, u gotta get some help
Range should be saving something for moving
Melee are melee so nothing changes
willow scarab
It’s not the dot from the shit
It’s the burst from the shot and not being fully healed
steady berry
So I used to be able to place a skull marker icon for in dungeons (When not a leader or in raid) over a mobs head. But I've lost that macro, anyone have the macro for that?
willow scarab
It basically one shots from full
You can keybind marks in the settings menu
Or download opie
warm plinth
You can bind raid markers in the default keybinds menu
willow scarab
There’s also a macro for it but nobody uses it anymore
steady berry
Hmmm didnt know it was made keybindable
warm plinth
There's also a WA that people use that auto marks things
steady berry
Thanks for the info guys
daring marlin
@oblique garnet That happened to a buddy in a FH18 earlier
got the shotgun blast as bird poop landed on him
double tapped
lusty grotto
the two time
warm plinth
warm plinth
Sometimes you gotta
drowsy relic
Is there any spreadsheet or videos for every mob snap in M+?
drowsy relic
and for necrotic shrine what traits would you reccomend?
lusty grotto
snap?
same traits as always
obviously reforge bloodsports
BoM and IF are still top
orchid token
@drowsy relic nah, just have to try to collate it from streams of accidental discoveries
drowsy relic
@orchid token yeah probably
@lusty grotto i mean pulling mobs to me and snapping them to a fountain or something
ionic fern
Haven't seen anything collective like that floating around.
orchid token
@lusty grotto a snap is when you move on to a section of terrain that ports mobs to you
raw solar
Can someone share these snaps?
civic holly
@sick sentinel!!! when is it ok to rage cap?
warm plinth
That awkward moment when you just pinged a person
umbral forge
No
civic holly
lol
warm plinth
It's never okay to rage cap
umbral forge
Answer is never
distant crystal
even if you somehow had shield block up, revenge on cd, and a max IP
you could just IP again to extend duration
restive pivot
I hope this is not inappropriate.
Any horde eu protw around 1.7k that would like to team up for key pushing daily?
old night
was trash in keys last season. only got 900 io
at 1300 now. leaps and bounds from last season
thanks to all the peeps in here that have helped me ❤
umbral forge
I know how you feel girl.
Participating here made me stop spending 17 hours a week boosting people for weekly
warm plinth
Hell yeah man!
old night
😄
thanks a ton for the azerite tips @warm plinth didnt need to sit with me in chat and help me with my azerite but you did
appreciated 🙌
prisma echo
Mates is Lepantoe mate who do advanced prot guide here on discord?
ionic fern
Never seen him around personally so no idea.
You can catch him on his stream i guess.
warm plinth
Sure thing Film, any time
candid ledge
Which would be the most ideal trait combination for m+?Stack BoM and DC ?
ionic fern
3xBoM/1DC should be something to aim for.
If you want maximum AoE DPS you can go 3xBoM/3xDC
You can also add either Bfi/IF in there for some more ST/defensive value if you seem fit.
Atm i'm running 3xBoM/2xDC/1xBfI for example.
umbral forge
Nightborne are underrated AF
ionic fern
I swapped to LFD yesterday ..gonna see how much i like it in m+.
umbral forge
male or female?
ionic fern
Why is that even a question..ofc female.
umbral forge
very nice
Transmog works really well in Nightborne.
Gonna get the heritage armor though.
honest canopy
gz
weary nacelle
Hey guys, how's it going?
I was wondering if any of you are running with Primal Glad's transmog set. That should be season 16. However, the one i'm referring to is the Scaled one:
https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1827/primal-gladiatorâ-s-scaled-armor-horde-recolor
Looking for it i found its obtainable from Warspear (on horde side) and via marks of honor. But for some reason there is no helmet.. i literally searched for an hour through the vendors, and all pieces are there but the helm.
weary nacelle
there isn't one. This appears to be a paladin set. So you can't even find it filtered by Warrior
basically you go to All classes as a filter, and you find it piece by piece. Took a while, but all pieces are there, but the helmet. And i've like tripple checked :S
Decided to ask in case anyone has gone through this before. Thanks!
weary nacelle
That's a good point. I agree that most of the time you go helmless esp as horde, however some sets fit ok with all pieces. It just completes the set.
still it's really bugging me why all pieces are there, but one.
bronze lantern
btw, does anyone know why sometimes the cylcone strike hits you through reflect, even though it doesnt target you in temple?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXtAba0t7WY as an example
zinc vessel
If it targets you, you die
umbral forge
allow me
umbral forge
Yeah
zinc vessel
If it targets someone else, ez smasg
bronze lantern
As it didnt do in the clip
umbral forge
you stood outside of it's hitbox.
you have to stand IN Adderis
literally INSIDE him
bronze lantern
i never had issues standing like that, but maybe
umbral forge
you were like 60% outside.
bronze lantern
because i reflected the 5 hits (look at the damage he takes) and also took them
umbral forge
Yeah
Your character's hitbox has to stand
at the spawnpoint of the cyclones
else you die
or well, take a lot of damage
bronze lantern
actually never bothered with that and never died before
or well, i didnt die there, but good to know
umbral forge
could be you stood inside him at an angle or that you were just a tiny bit closer
bronze lantern
aight great
umbral forge
no problem dude
bronze lantern
im just fotm offspec tonk :))
weary nacelle
can i ask if you guys are intentionally trying to reflect the spell and with what purpose?
rather than avoiding it, i mean
ionic fern
Yes, intentionally.
It does a ton of damage to the boss.
This is Adderis damage taken on a +20 fortified key ..you can see that Cyclone Strike does A LOT.
ionic fern
Yep.
hollow thorn
Doing a high Temple key without a prot warrior is basically inting
they are so good for first boss
ionic fern
Doubt they'd fix anything before MDI. Probably after MDI if at all.
silk mortar
True, then they'll see all the broken things people do
weary nacelle
hehe indeed
do you guys know when we would be able to watch the mdis?
the qualifiers are running now, right?
weary nacelle
thank you!