protection

[tardy berry]

2 DC?
Is it worth it? I only use 1, and that's mostly for demoralise uptimer...

[ionic fern]

For AoE DPS it's worth stacking.

[sick sentinel]

it provides only dps so depends what you are looking for

I am currently at a point where we either time a key by 3 mins or we deplete it by 10

[modest wedge]

if you have 410 ilvl and run 17 or lower keys. just go all damage you can

otherwise u should consider going more defence

but its up to u

[tardy berry]

I'm kind of a terrible player (newbie this xpac and didn't prot warrior since start of it either)
I've just started getting comfortable with running 15 ish keys

ilvl 408

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern I can swap 1 CR for IF and I want to but there is a different problem

middle and inner traits

[warped adder]

How much would you value leech in terms of ilvl.. +5 ?

[sick sentinel]

0

maybe like 1 or 2 I guess

[undone sun]

very little

[old zephyr]

If you have some It's better than not having it, but It's no big deal

[warm plinth]

Assuming you drop 0 ilevel to get it.

[ionic fern]

What are you trading off in middle/inner @sick sentinel ?

[sick sentinel]

wait lemme open my chest on my alt and I will send you screenshots

[crisp pecan]

are azerite globules worth anything?

[warm plinth]

They're not that great, because of the requirement for them to deal any damage.

If you don't get 3 stacks on a single target, they don't do anything at all, which is shit imo

[crisp pecan]

i see heavy tendency to go for full dps traits on this discord, that is cool, but considering a little bit of defensive tho

[warped adder]

btw that leech question was ment for m+ .. so still literally 0 change ?

[unborn island]

Globules can break CC

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't say full DPS. Most of our DPS traits give a defensive benefit as well.

@warped adder Correct. If your highest ilevel happens to have leech, great. But don't drop ilevel for it.

[old zephyr]

Most of our best défensive things give dps rather

[unborn island]

@warped adder I think the guys who spam tonnes of high keys use it because they do loads of keys, so get a lot of forges which have it

[sick sentinel]

I am spamming loads of high keys but I only get speed and avoidance

and sockets on 400 ilvl items

[crisp pecan]

sorry i di not meant azerite globules but azerite veins, trait thatheals you

[warm plinth]

oh

[warped adder]

Ye figured thanks

[old zephyr]

Av is okay but very random

[unborn island]

I imagine that e.g on reaping waves it gives a small amount of leeway to the healer to do a more if you can stack it

[sick sentinel]

azerite veins is way too random

[warm plinth]

Yeah, AV is good but random defensive procs, especially heals, are mehhh

[ionic fern]

I got 10% leech off of gear now @sick sentinel 😂

[old zephyr]

Dépends on your heal il Guess

[warm plinth]

So it's not sought after

[ionic fern]

Dropping 3 ilvls in total if i wanted to use it.

[old zephyr]

If you run with à pally av is very meh

[warm plinth]

I want to know where they keep the leech meme so I can stab it in its stubborn heart.

[old zephyr]

With à cat druid It's much better

[tardy berry]

do anyone play cat druid?

[old zephyr]

As a healer à lot of People Yeah

[tardy berry]

like as I said I started this xpac, and I legit don't think I've seen one.

[ionic fern]

My healers a druid for all my keys.

[warm plinth]

Why are you calling a resto druid a cat druid 🤔

[old zephyr]

By cat druid I mean "resto druid that dps with catform"

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Feral Affinity

[old zephyr]

Because they turn to cat to claw stuff

[tardy berry]

ah

[warm plinth]

But so do feral druids, which are literally a cat all the time smh

[unborn island]

It's one of those specs, used to be ridiculously hard to play well, but if you did it was insane. Then they made it easy to play so nerfed it to shit

[tardy berry]

yes that makes sense I have a resto druu with cat affinity as well :3

[sick sentinel]

I went for Blood siphon+gemhide>SiN ( or earthlink) and moment for obvious reasons

[tardy berry]

I thought by cat you meant feral xD
...
So question stands. DO anyone even play feral?

[unborn island]

No, it's pretty shit

And boomkin is good

[old zephyr]

I have a lower alt that is à Rdruid, and i'm6in cat all the time

[ionic fern]

Awww, now i understand.

😦

[sick sentinel]

and then I went for CR over MS for again obvious reasons

[unborn island]

See previous point :)

[sick sentinel]

even though

I really really like MS

and if I take off my shoulders and drop CR from them

[ionic fern]

Why did you take CR over DC tho?

[sick sentinel]

I will drop it from the chest as well

I would take CR over a second DC any day

and eng helm has either BS or DC

[ionic fern]

😢

[sick sentinel]

I can gamble now though

[ionic fern]

Still curious..why would you take CR over second DC?
Just for the % DR?

[old zephyr]

Better défense I suppose

[sick sentinel]

with how much I am parrying and using revenge for damage/rage dump, I can keep 3 stacks pretty consistenly

[ionic fern]

Eh. I'm too much of a sucker for DPS so i'm going DC stacking.

[sick sentinel]

as I said, all that matter for me is surv rn

[ionic fern]

We're doing roughly the same keys iirc..19-22(?)

[sick sentinel]

even the 19s we have timed, were like 2 mins under

so we have the damage

[ionic fern]

Eh, what ever suites you best i guess. 😄

[sick sentinel]

the +20 temple we did last week was 3mins 45 secs under

[bronze lantern]

this week multi DC is fine

last week it was kinda wasted imo

[ionic fern]

🤷

Not sure how it was wasted last week. 🤔

[sick sentinel]

so I care about pulling more mobs

so my outlaw/dh can do their thing

last week was pretty fun IMO

[bronze lantern]

Because last week you had to start kiting, defensives actually mattered there

DC doesnt even add a lot of damage

[ionic fern]

I diddn't have to kite much. 🤷

[sick sentinel]

I run a bunch of double outlaw+DH or double DH+outlaw

I didn't kite last week

at all

[old zephyr]

Kiting ?

[bronze lantern]

How did you not kite last percents

when they started bolstering

like if you pull 2 packs you get 8 stacks and oneshot by melee

[old zephyr]

Where ?

[ionic fern]

I'm running with a rogue/dh/mage now.

[tardy berry]

spread the dps and never bolster

[sick sentinel]

get better dps I guess?

[bronze lantern]

You ALWAYS bolster last few percent

[ionic fern]

Why would something get 8 stacks if you cleave it down evenly? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

I mean, getting an attack or 2'

you should survive it

[ionic fern]

^

[bronze lantern]

and 8 stack bolster is 160% on top of fort

[old zephyr]

Even when they bolster.
A dude with 12bolster is less Damage than 12 dudes

[ionic fern]

Idk, i guess we have different problems in our keys then @bronze lantern ..that's almost never a issue for us.

[old zephyr]

Or 13 dude's rather

[bronze lantern]

youre not playing proper packs if you arent kiting last 5% on a pack

[ionic fern]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

again, all the depletes I did were people fucking up

like boss mechanics or something

[tardy berry]

this week should be fun as hell for prot warrior.

[old zephyr]

Ran manor 17 Last week, bigpulled like crazy never had any problem

[sick sentinel]

manor fucking hurt

I kited manor actually

like the left wing

[old zephyr]

Our hunter that is not used to big Keys litteraly screamed on discord every pulls

Was fun

If the souls things are not kicked Yeah

Else It's okayish

But we run with à boomy so trees every pull is Nice

[tardy berry]

trees are a hell of a dmg reduction

and safety net in general :3

[old zephyr]

Trees are the best thing ever

[fossil heron]

treants are so nice yea

[old zephyr]

But earth elem is better for them gigapulls

[tardy berry]

trænts

[sick sentinel]

yeah but like 5 min cd

I like primal earth elemental in sanguine weeks

because the shaman can move him out

[old zephyr]

On ad or manor (pig/priest) you elem the whole room with boss and lustres

[tardy berry]

oof

[old zephyr]

Pig I have t had the opportunity yet, but priest I did

You get reaping as well =)

[tardy berry]

and then you avatar and use your gcd exclusively for thunderclap and revenge I bet

[sick sentinel]

you can't do that when earth ele is tanking

[old zephyr]

Sadly

[sick sentinel]

you do that when you are tanking, yeah

[tardy berry]

oh yeah revenge wont proc

[old zephyr]

But packs this big without elem hurts à lot

[tardy berry]

good point... well demoralize roar just for rage and then revenge xD

I'm a newbie, do not listen to anything I say 😛

[old zephyr]

You can get a lot of revenge just not every otehr gcd

[sick sentinel]

I mostly go TC-SS-TC-Revenge-repeat

you need procs for that though I guess

[old zephyr]

With the rage from charge avatar and ds you can start with 3 rev probably before having to Slam

[ionic fern]

I saw that.

[sick sentinel]

It was a mistake

[ionic fern]

😂

[sick sentinel]

I got lockjaw for shoulders

so BoM/IF/siphon

and you can see my 2 chests

idk which one to wear

I know IF>CR but middle and inner traits make it eh

[light relic]

Hmm guys wold you go for a 410 1h, or a socketed i400 but with leech

[sick sentinel]

@light relic 410

[light relic]

leech heals so insanely much though

I'm talking m+ mainly

[sick sentinel]

no it doesn't

weap dps gives you bigger ignore pains

so that's more healing for you

leech heals a substantial amount, calling it "so insanely much" is an overstatement

[undone sun]

leech is incredibly inconsequential

[light relic]

How does weapon dmg give you bigger ignore pains?

[sick sentinel]

did they chance the attack power formula?

[light relic]

It does though, my tank has 3 items with leech and he outheals the healer on reaping with it

[sick sentinel]

on reaping

where damage comes in spikes

every like a lot of seconds

leach does not help there

unless you are pulling reaping into other packs (which you should)

[nova gale]

Solo reaping waves deals practically no damage

[ionic fern]

Don't drop ilvl for leech. 😒

[sick sentinel]

but even then, 10 ilvls is weapon damage will be a lot more impactful on the run

[light relic]

It's not just leech, it's also socket

but what I'm now curious about is how ilvl affects ignore pains

[undone sun]

attack power

[old zephyr]

My healer alt also get outhealed on reaping and à lot of stuff really.
Because you know no need to heal when there is no Damage

[winter aspen]

single impassive vissage will outheal a whole leech set

[sick sentinel]

^^

[umbral forge]

but muh leech

[exotic spoke]

Obviously - the real important tertiary stat is indestructible

[winter aspen]

true

who likes spending 500g a repair

[exotic spoke]

If you don’t take any durability loss did you even really die?

[old zephyr]

Damage cause durability loss as well

[exotic spoke]

That’s normal though

I mean the 10%

[rough egret]

I just got Helm of Abyssal Malevolence

I was so happy about it

but it sisms better than engi head for fury 😦 +200 dps

[winter aspen]

thats like a race change, not big enough and 0.1% according to #fury so its fine 😄

[umbral forge]

So if I tank Champions from the start I just have to do a cheeky SR at the end of prayer to reset my stacks?

[exotic spoke]

Should work just fine

You’ll get up to 8 or 9 I can’t remember

[umbral forge]

Should I play Nightborne Warrior

[winter aspen]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Fuck no

[exotic spoke]

Play what you think looks cool or is fun, as much as we debate the strength of different races here - for the most part it doesn’t matter

Rofl

I personally wouldn’t but I have a disdain for elves

[errant granite]

are the Leech weapon enchant worth if im only M+ tanking?
im at 10% leech with enchant.
i have atm 41% haste with ItF 😄

[exotic spoke]

Leech is inconsequential

[umbral forge]

I fucking despise blizzard for how they dealt with the Nightborne.
had they been as badass as well, they were in Suramar, I'd love to play a Nightborne Warrior.

[exotic spoke]

“Who goes there?”

[umbral forge]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=104218/advisor-melandrus
Like don't even pretend like you wouldn't love to tank looking like this

[exotic spoke]

I’d not worry about leech enchant at all. Quick nav

Eh jettom I don’t like the animations

[umbral forge]

Testing them now

zandalari is better but I feel like going nightborne sends a message

[tidal scarab]

Tbh you tank as a fat cow or nothing

[umbral forge]

Well you convinced me

[topaz badger]

what, female orc warrior for the win

[exotic spoke]

As if. If you’re horse the only correct option is goblin

[tidal scarab]

Dwarf female 🤔

[exotic spoke]

Ew no

[ionic fern]

Lightforged Draenei is the way to go.

👌

[exotic spoke]

Regular space goat for the win

[umbral forge]

god I wish I was alliance

every day

I wish I was Alliance

[ionic fern]

Faction change.

[exotic spoke]

You can fix that

[ionic fern]

😄

[exotic spoke]

^^

[umbral forge]

I can't.
All my friends and family are Horde. Literally noone on Alliance.

[exotic spoke]

Oh you could

[tidal scarab]

Just faction change all their characters overnight

[exotic spoke]

I like the way you think

[umbral forge]

I'm doing it.

[umbral forge]

Done

[exotic spoke]

I feel like you need to get yourself checked out before you do something drastic

And you did something drastic 😦

[tidal scarab]

Actually feelsbad

[umbral forge]

I'm drunk & depressed over failing my semi license

I wont change away until I pass it

[exotic spoke]

You know. I can actually respect that a little

Give yourself some motivation so you’re not playing a trash race :p

[primal sable]

Is that racist

[exotic spoke]

By definition yes

[umbral forge]

WoW is inherently racist when you think about it

[primal sable]

Whatever side youre on elves are the superior race

[ionic fern]

No.

Goats are.

[exotic spoke]

I’m sorry - you’ve just consumed their propaganda

[umbral forge]

Mwahi

[exotic spoke]

And yes. The goats / goblins are the true heroes depending on faction

[umbral forge]

I would genuinely kill my sister's firstborn child to be able to play goat on Horde

Draenei Warrior

is the tightest shit

[ionic fern]

[primal sable]

Why would you ever want to do that

[umbral forge]

EVEN THE DANCE IS MALE NIGHT ELF

[tidal scarab]

You are showing us the wrong side

[exotic spoke]

Stop looking st my tail!

[weary thorn]

I feel like killing your sisters first born has such little impact that its kind of like saying "man I'd totally drink some day old water that I kept in my fridge to play goat warrior on horde"

[umbral forge]

I mean

I guess

But I play wow enough to actively participate in a class discord so nothing I could give up would hold value

[weary thorn]

see, now we're getting somewhere

[umbral forge]

I would give up my fish with the Horde symbol on his side?

[tidal scarab]

That's a big fish

[weary thorn]

is that a toilet paper roll in the tank?

[umbral forge]

Thanks his name is Horde

no

[old zephyr]

I don't see the symbol..

Where is it

[umbral forge]

its kind of there on his side

it was

a lot better when he was a child

but now he's starting to flare up color wise so its disappearing

[weary thorn]

good lookin fish tho

probably give up the sisters kid before the fish to go alliance, which is a poor choice anyways

[umbral forge]

Alliance has better races
better racials
Goldshire

horde has friends

[exotic spoke]

Look I get it Major. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I’m just sorry yours is wrong

[weary thorn]

horde has population, fast m+, lots of choices for those groups. And I get Dark iron dorf racial on conclave without having to actually be nasty alliance

so I dont see the downside to staying horde

but hey, to each their own incorrect opinion

[sick sentinel]

keep it to the general chat this is for prot war questions

[umbral forge]

What

[exotic spoke]

Eremus is not wrong

[weary thorn]

can we just get a protection lounge then. General chat is so 2009

[umbral forge]

Well no but protection is always like this. I don't know the people in general chat

If this was just for asking and answering questions I would have muted it

[weary thorn]

When questions get asked, they get answered.

[exotic spoke]

Eh, we do go on tangents but ^^

[jovial haven]

this is where prot warriors come for general chat no?

[weary thorn]

No, there will be no protection community. You can only act as a wikipedia service for those less knowledgeable

[undone sun]

where else

[lime mantle]

How bad is this week for m+?
Specially siege. I want to see if I can push my key to 18z

[weary thorn]

this week is ez

push push push

[exotic spoke]

Week seems easy - but unforgiving if you fuck up on a boss.

Last couple weeks haven’t been bad

[jovial haven]

as every week, just don't die

[exotic spoke]

That’s not incorrect advice

Volcanic is easy - always has been. Teeming on tyrannical isn’t bad unless there are a lot of casters

[weary thorn]

I mean, teeming isnt terrible if you arent playing like a mongo

[lime mantle]

@umbral forge alliance pros:
DID/Normal dwarf
Shadowmeld
Draenei maids serving you warm goat milk with big round and soft at gold shire.

Horde pros:
More people=more skilled people (math)
More guilds that aren’t too shabby.

It all boils down where your friends at. Also both have 2 godless *lfoid races.

[weary thorn]

either bring more dps or cc

[jovial haven]

i feel like there's something missing today with no questions about zandalri racials or talk about fang lol

[lime mantle]

Fang?

[weary thorn]

Merektha's #1

[umbral forge]

@lime mantle
Alliance has Draenei.

If you don't want to be a Draenei warrior you're of an opinion different from mine.

[exotic spoke]

I will not be objectified

[weary thorn]

Horde pro: You get to use Fireblood racial during conclave

[jovial haven]

wonder if chip made the vid of him scrapping his fang

[lime mantle]

@umbral forge sorry I don’t like being a jihadist or unable to drive spaceships.

[weary thorn]

lelele

[ionic fern]

Alliance pro : You get to use Fireblood racial during conclave.

[exotic spoke]

^^ and for most of the other times as wel

[weary thorn]

its the only time I've ever even wanted it

so I'm good

[oblique garnet]

Mwahi

[honest canopy]

Jettom

[exotic spoke]

Necrotic?

[oblique garnet]

Guess what key i got

[honest canopy]

Wheres Jeeettom

ToS13

[weary thorn]

necrotic, are you just face tanking them?

[ionic fern]

Is it...Siege?

[weary thorn]

with low dps

[oblique garnet]

nope

[ionic fern]

Hmpf...ML? 🤔

[lime mantle]

I did a tos17. Would have been time if not for a rogue shroud. Aaaah Rogues.

[oblique garnet]

shrine XD

[ionic fern]

Amf.

[exotic spoke]

Major, I meant that at high keys having a reset and being able to get a dps buff from it is good too

[ionic fern]

I managed my shrine last night..gonna stay clear of that now..did it on 20. 😂

[oblique garnet]

i have legit gotten nothing but shrines

on my warrior

since the s2

[weary thorn]

sure, but its not worth the money and lower group pop imo

[ionic fern]

All we get is ToS.

[weary thorn]

when you can just kite for a few seconds

[ionic fern]

Tbh Shrine is pretty easy on tyrannical..skip x2 reapings and ggwp.

It's just annoying to get the same key over and over again

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy sup

[oblique garnet]

exactly

i have timed 20 shrine alread

y

cba it

[exotic spoke]

I’m not going to put 18/19/20s

And if it’s 15 or below it’s kinda ehhh doesn’t matter. So, I just run with guild and then it wouldn’t matter if I was horde or alliance

[lime mantle]

@ionic fern you have my condolence and support@for the torment you went through.

[ionic fern]

I know that our healer got ML 20 that we need..i can check only after work. 😦

So in like 1.5h

[exotic spoke]

My group can’t get shrine or AD

[oblique garnet]

my luck on rolling azerite pieces is actually insane tho

i have gotten nothing but good shit from the random one xD

[ionic fern]

😦

I mean..i got another BS piece i guess..for that Blockades solo soaking.

But for actual usage my luck has been horrible with azerite.

[exotic spoke]

I probably should start working on that.. on conclave now and that fight seems easy

How’s mythic Rastakhan for tanks?

[ionic fern]

Boring.

😄

Actually depends..do you have a prot paladin co-tank to solo Bwomsandi?

[exotic spoke]

Great.... thanks

No, I have myself and either a guardian or blood to choose from

[ionic fern]

Well, then it should be interesting.

[exotic spoke]

So you’re saying I should have one of the 4 ret / holy paladins we have to go tank for that fight

[ionic fern]

The hard part is swapping bwomsandi & Rasta in 2nd phase due to the dmg intake. If you swap with the leash & get the Bwomsandi healing immune cast once you get there you will most likely die..so you gotta be fast with the swaps so healers have time to top you off before the cast goes through.

[weary thorn]

oooo I co-tank with a prot pally in mythic

we should hit rasta thursday night

[exotic spoke]

So its a timing thing. Aight

[ionic fern]

If you have a Paladin co-tank then that fight is pretty much free as much as tanking goes.

[weary thorn]

glad to hear it

[honest canopy]

@umbral forge Playing disc, having a bad life. You?

[ionic fern]

Jeah, just swap fast enough and you're fine in regards to it. And ask for Externals just in case since the Leash+Bwomsandi ticks + melees pile up and yell at your healers to top you before the Caress of Death goes out @exotic spoke .

[exotic spoke]

Paladins reset due to bubble and soak one of those. Could I have one of the 4 aforementioned paladins bubble taunt to soak it?

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy I hate being Horde cause I can't be Draenei that's about it

[ionic fern]

In theory i guess - but that would just make the fight harder and add a extra step imo. As long as you swap fast and get topped before it you're fine-.

[umbral forge]

made my warrior nightborne

[exotic spoke]

Just asking because I know that question will come up while we are learning it and inevitably make mistakes

[modern brook]

@ionic fern how do u skip the 80% reap?

do u just death skip after the bridge?

[oblique garnet]

you kill

the bridge

[modern brook]

gross

[ionic fern]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

i mean

you kill the tentacles

after 3rd boss

suicide

to trigger the last reaping

[ionic fern]

We do it like this...
After killing the first Tiny skeleton + caster pack after 2nd boss we end up at 79.6%.,..then we go and kill only the TINY skeletons of the next pack..and run to the bridge..everyone dies..healer shadowmelds..reaping resets. And then kill eels after the last boss is dead to skip the last reaping.

[heavy chasm]

Do you make it all the way to the end of the bridge? Before the reaping gets to you?

That's quite the track isnt it?

[ionic fern]

No, you just need to get to the beginning of the bridge.

[heavy chasm]

Oh gotcha

[ionic fern]

We usually die in the room before the bridge and healer goes on bridge.

Then we shroud the bridge.

[heavy chasm]

Before the big bastards?

Gotcha

[exotic spoke]

Then invis skip at bridge or

Ahh ok

[ionic fern]

Jeap, we kill nothing on the bridge.

[heavy chasm]

Thanks for the clarification wasnt too sure how far to go if I was to give it a whirl

[modern brook]

do you clear the whole room before 2nd?

[primal sable]

does wowanalyzer support protection?

[modern brook]

how do u get to 79 that early?

We usually get 80 after pew-tentacles before 3rd

[ionic fern]

Ugh, gimme a SS of the MDT and i can show you. 😂

[heavy chasm]

I suspect you kill all the buggers with the Carver, and the nooks leading to 2nd

[exotic spoke]

You’re skipping the very first pack

Or that

[heavy chasm]

And maybe one pack on the left of the torch thing

But I haven't done it so just speculation but should put you high lol

[exotic spoke]

We’ve tended to kill that reaping and then skip bridge. But skipping that reaping sounds interesting

[heavy chasm]

Anytime not reaping js good time in shrine lol

So many casters haha

[modern brook]

what u dont like G R A V E B O L T?

[ionic fern]

Ugh, found a random one

The black is what we kill

Mad paint skills

[primal sable]

thats an awful lot of casters

[ionic fern]

🤷

If you're in a cordinated group it's fine.

[heavy chasm]

Do you shroud 7?

[ionic fern]

No

[heavy chasm]

Their purple one?

[ionic fern]

Nope.

You can walk past them and jump off the "totem" there.

On the left side.

[heavy chasm]

Or do you pull it it's not black.

[ionic fern]

We pull everything that is in black circle.

[heavy chasm]

Huh. Didnt know that. I knew you could skip globules

[modern brook]

YEAH OK

[heavy chasm]

And the caster dickheads same way. I guess never hugging left I would have never realized you can dip past the others

[modern brook]

sorry caps

U clear a lot more before 1st and 2nd than we do

[ionic fern]

Jeah. So we end at 79.6% before that skeleton pack.

I can send the better route once i get home if someone reminds me.

better route as in..the screenshot from the MDT in game.

Also if you aren't already doing it..then you should kill the pack before the last boss in Sots with the healer DPS buff..

To my surprise a lot of people don't know that.

😦

[heavy chasm]

Yeah I mean it's the equivalent to not using temple buff xD

[ionic fern]

^

[umbral forge]

Something about Shrine I've noticed that I think you guys know too, but it's something me and my group does

if you procc the last reaping while everyone is in the water, all the reaping mobs will spawn infront of the tank standong on top of each other

so they're easy to cleave down

..of course proccing it after last boss is dead is better

it's just very enjoyable to cleave them all like that

[heavy chasm]

So for the pugging that's a nice tip hah

[umbral forge]

Yeah for pug world

[ionic fern]

Jep..SOTS is a bugfest when it comes to reaping teleportation.

You can pretty much make all reaping waves teleport to you.

[sick sentinel]

you can make the reaping on SOTS after second boss tp to you by leaping from the place where the 1 caster is to the other caster

[shell pulsar]

May I ask about the healer dps buff in sots that you mentioned?

[ionic fern]

Go for it.

[shell pulsar]

What is that? I am aware of the ToS buff but never noticed something in sots

[ionic fern]

The last boss in SOTS puts a buff on the healer that increases the damage/healing of the healer but reduces the HP.

Resulting in healers doing more DPS than actual DPS'ers on last boss (22k+ in my healer example) but getting one shot if any of the add casts/tentacles or any other source of damage goes through.

[heavy chasm]

Like when your ranged misses and interrupt and we phase into tentacle add fuckers and my healer dies

[shell pulsar]

Does that happen right at the start? And I assume you can dispell it, which my healer always does?

[ionic fern]

Yes, you can dispell it.

But the healer should try to keep it for as long as possible since it's a HUUUGE DPS increase.

[shell pulsar]

Well thanks for all the info I'll talk to my healer :D

[orchid token]

it doesnt quite oneshot form all damage, you can safely kill the little crawly adds one at a time

and not end the healer

and with a bit of warning you can let a cast go off if you are out of interrupts

just warn healer so they can ironbark or w/e

the buff is also a huge HPS increase, not just DPS

[lime mantle]

@ionic fern how do you do the last 201%?

21*

[ionic fern]

All the eels+1 tentacle pack upstairs+the 3 before boss.

[lime mantle]

Huh are they that much?

Also I assume you skip all eels and pack b4 boss right?

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

[lime mantle]

Doesn’t the pack at the front get pulled?

[ionic fern]

We kill the middle pack + some eels with the healer buff after 1st intermission.

[lime mantle]

Ooooh

[ionic fern]

You just tank the boss at the back.

[lime mantle]

Reaping and boss

Spicy.

[ionic fern]

No..no reaping.

[heavy chasm]

What no

[lime mantle]

Aren’t you at 79 and encr go over 80 and reap?

[heavy chasm]

Nah they get it before they die ar base of bridge

[ionic fern]

^

[heavy chasm]

And by time mobs would have showed up their already dead, razzed and moving on

[ionic fern]

^

We hit 80% by killing the tiny skeletons before the room that's infront of the bridge.

So we just nuke down the skeletons and go die.

[heavy chasm]

I wonder how it would work without teeming Haha

Probably wouldn't bother

[orchid token]

you get 80% in the lords room

[ionic fern]

🤔

[orchid token]

getu p to 83.something% on the two packso f tentacles in front of him

on non teeming

[ionic fern]

I think you missed the discussion from before.

[orchid token]

was just responding to lothat asking how it worked on non teeming

[heavy chasm]

I meant more regarding if you could/would do a double reaping skip on non teeming

As in where they proc

[orchid token]

really no reason not to reaping skip if you have the melds/rezzes to do it

you can reaping skip 40% and 80% on non teeming

40% is a bit finicky as it requires dragging mobs to kill them somewhere else

while fighting them

to leave enough space so you don't re-aggro them

[heavy chasm]

Good to know, with any luck I'll just be able to get some good shrines done this week and not need to bother heh

I've done a fair bit of shrine the past week and a bit. But it's still not the most enjoyable dungeon imo.

[modern brook]

if u cant skip 60 can u really skip 40?

[heavy chasm]

Lol. RIP Double reaping wave

F

[signal plover]

Imagine skipping reaping as a warrior tank

Avatar in a corner, crying

[lime mantle]

It’s like when you go to the gym but you do it in summer so it’s winter now and you can’t show off.

Which I am saying is that it sounds awful

[undone sun]

cant relate

[unborn island]

I go to the gym lots, but I don't have anything to show off 😛

[halcyon fable]

tanking this week feels so much better than last week. Actually holding aggro and being able to pull a few packs at a time! My group just plussed our first 14. We've got a 15 WM that we're tackling tomorrow.

[ruby python]

nice going @halcyon fable and yeah this week is way easier than last one , there are only a couple keys that are probably harder (TD comes to mind) rest should be way more manageable than last week

[jovial haven]

anyone got a ss of 1st boss in temple being sr?

[ionic fern]

Why would you want a SS of it? o.o

[jovial haven]

the log of it, was gonna show it to a friend he didn't know it was possible

[ionic fern]

I got logs..but no SS.

[signal plover]

Y u no auto-screenshot all your spell reflects bro?

[umbral forge]

@jovial haven I'll one up you

[signal plover]

R U even a stormforged

[dense flame]

Read you something that you do the interrupt pack before last boss in shrine with healer dps buff? Does that leave enough room on high keys?

[umbral forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFhw--bauPw&feature=youtu.be
@jovial haven

[dense flame]

Sorry to bring up old topic.

Just wanted a bit of clarification. 🥰

[umbral forge]

give it some time and it'll be HD

a video of me spell reflecting it

[jovial haven]

thanks

[exotic spoke]

SR op op - please no nerf blizzard

[ionic fern]

@dense flame yes. The first phase of the boss is so short that he puts down only one pool. After you kill the adds in the first intermission you have enough time & room to kill the pack

[umbral forge]

pls dont pay attention to what's happening in the background

[dense flame]

Sounds good. Thank you mwahi.

[thorn bronze]

Is there a resource with the list of spell that are worth keeping SR for dungeon bosses ?

[ionic fern]

#268491842637660160 protection section - Reflectable/Blockable spells. Covers Raids & dungeons.

There's also a SR WA in the pins that could be of use to you.

[thorn bronze]

Thanks!

[open bluff]

speaking of the sheet

shouldn't conclave be updated to note engi helm doesn't work anymore?

[hidden kindle]

how would you guys rate 400 rezans w/ socket vs 410 rezans with avoidance?

[open bluff]

only way to remove kimbul bleed now is to be either dwarf or dark iron

[heavy chasm]

Waat

When they do this?

[rough egret]

410

[open bluff]

a while ago, it's been mentioned in peak for a while that it's the one bleed engi helm doesn't do shit to

[heavy chasm]

That's depressing I mean its rng. But it was still nice

[open bluff]

play now is to be dwarf/di/maghar/orc 😦

[strong forum]

Or swap after 1st debuff then have the other tank get 2

[modern brook]

Do we still need a log of it being reflected?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qTpQAxK1nJ3rFgyD#fight=1&type=damage-taken&phase=1&start=122022&end=286423&pins=0%24Main%24%23fc0d0d%24casts%241%240.0.0.Any%24133379.0.0.Boss%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24263309^0%24Main%24%23000cf0%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24189184117.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2423920&hostility=1&source=9

[umbral forge]

@open bluff only correct race is Nightborne Male Warrior

[heavy chasm]

False

Thicc bois are where its at

@umbral forge

[umbral forge]

well, we can both agree that no sane person plays forsaken warrior, right?

[heavy chasm]

Or worgen

[umbral forge]

wait, worgens can be Warriors?

[heavy chasm]

Lel

They look like ass in plate that's for sure

[open bluff]

the only correct warrior race is pandaren

(says the dark iron)

[lime mantle]

Whenever I chunk a monster with spell deflect I SS and I SS myself irl doing a dab. You don’t?

[modern brook]

I didnt realize we could just make up a bunch of lies and say them for 4 minutes

haha drop ilvl for haste ^.^

[heavy chasm]

I feel like I'm missing the context of that statement bull xD

[undone sun]

bull lives in his own world, don't bother him

[modern brook]

👌

[lime mantle]

He also likes to be told he’s right

[undone sun]

why lie to him though...

[lime mantle]

I don’t

[turbid nest]

415 Coinage Stampers (Haste/Mast) or 410 Flourescent Flora Stompers with a socket (Haste/Vers)?

[modern brook]

I dont need to be told im right

i am right

🤷

I know this cause i read the guide

415

because ilvl> all

as per the guide

[turbid nest]

Where in the guide does it say that?

[jovial haven]

also here

[modern brook]

40 haste does not make up the other stat, armor, str and stamina lost from ilvl

ilvl>all

[open bluff]

socket is only worth ilvl on bracers, rings, and maybe cloaks

[modern brook]

Bracers is a bigger maybe than cloaks, tbh

[unborn island]

Wait, do people know the name of items other than trinkets these days?

[modern brook]

both of them are pretty fudgey though

[open bluff]

eh, 5 ilvls is like 10 overall stat gain for bracers

[austere gulch]

does shieldblock have haste breakpoints regarding its CD? Ive not seen it have decimal points, it's always a whole number

[modern brook]

I still say go for ilvl on those slots

unless ur stat distro is super fucked

[steel mauve]

@austere gulch no there are no stat break points

[narrow abyss]

What’s the stat priority for warrior @modern brook

[undone sun]

literally just posted

[unborn island]

I'm sure he's just baiting at the moment

[jovial haven]

puzzle isn't serious lol

[modern brook]

jokes on him I get off on nested screen shots

[narrow abyss]

Its bullfangos favorite question

[austere gulch]

@steel mauve well if I unequip my boots, Shield slam goes down by .1 sec, but shieldblock remains at its value, so it must have breakpoints where you jump by 1 sec

[jovial haven]

it's like asking chip how good fang is

[modern brook]

❤

and yeah i know puzzles joking he doesnt suck :^)

[lime mantle]

Question: you always socket 1 Star gem right

[narrow abyss]

Jokes on u i suck I just been here long enough to repeat what the herd says

[jovial haven]

what are socket for 500

[narrow abyss]

😂

Who loves the devastate question

[lime mantle]

Devastate should reduce the cd on clap by 1s

That way you have a reason to use it

:big brain:

[unborn island]

what do we think of the trinket from crucible?

[lime mantle]

I wouldn’t equip that on a tank tbh

[narrow abyss]

I like the other effect where you suck your melee dps HP dry

[jovial haven]

macro it to avatar

[old zephyr]

Fat mastery during avatar through

[narrow abyss]

2 min cooldown 🤮

[old zephyr]

Like 20% critblocks

[jovial haven]

yea it would be every 3rd avatar

[heavy chasm]

That thing with BoM could be fucking silly

Is it additive or not is the question

[jovial haven]

could but you would get better use from a 415 vial i would think

[heavy chasm]

Oh just reread it

I thought the mastery was a stacking application too

Then it would have been pretty silly

[jovial haven]

yea blizz don't like warriors that much lol

[heavy chasm]

You'd have like 6 figure claps

Lol

[old zephyr]

Imagine arms bleeds

[chilly brook]

Oh boy

I missed the guy saying things that were wrong again

😢

[nova gale]

Who dat boi

[umbral forge]

Nightborne are underrated. Their animations are pristine

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

Their animations are 🤢

[weary nacelle]

hey, what's the drama with nightborne these days? They've been there for a while now, but recent I found people on reddit spaming shit about nightborn for not being what everyone expected. Any clues guys?

[chilly brook]

Especially male melee animations since it’s literally nelf anims

Probably the fact that they’re just reskinned night elves and their racial is pretty bad

[analog swift]

Hey I know stat weight aren’t the biggest thing but with how much mastery we have from bom wouldn’t stacking other stats (same ilvl) be the most helpful?

For dps

[chilly brook]

I mean mastery is just free AP

If you’re looking for pure DPS crit is probably your next best option

How much you want to balance out at the same ilvl is going to be trial and error tbh

[mossy night]

Yo I have some questions about crit. Since it's extra parry chance too does it nerf your rage gen a lot?

[chilly brook]

You could also just sim with different sets to try and get a rough estimate

No

Technically it’s less rage generated but believe me you probably won’t notice

[undone sun]

very marginal

[mossy night]

Dope. I guess it gets set off by the crit hits rage gen

[chilly brook]

Rage from damage taken is a fairly small portion to begin with unless mass pulling and even at that point your parry isn’t high enough to where you won’t be generating a lot of rage from it

[mossy night]

I swapped off arms to prot so my crit is fairly high

[undone sun]

i miss true rfdt 😭

[potent anvil]

I have 23% crit. Seems fine to me.

[chilly brook]

I miss good game design in WoW

[undone sun]

that too

[chilly brook]

:pepehands

[mossy night]

Reeeee

[chilly brook]

I just got convinced to start playing ffxiv

[astral crystal]

yikes

[scarlet basalt]

I can stack BoM and Iron Fortress right?

[chilly brook]

Yes

You can stack all traits

[supple path]

If the value in question scales with ilvl, it stacks. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

[chilly brook]

The only question is what in the trait stacks and is it worth

But IF and BoM fully stack

[scarlet basalt]

Is endless hunger any good for m+?

[novel barn]

Hey, whats the best traits on the engineering helm?

[chilly brook]

Not better than prot traits

I’m pretty sure #268491842637660160 rates the engi helm

[turbid wing]

Guild wants me to tank Jaina M. I can gamble 1 more 415 azerite piece.
Any advice what slot I should roll for? The defensive traits seem very bad on Shoulder and Chest so maybe one of them?
https://i.imgur.com/Hah6dqt.png

[potent anvil]

Most of time engi helm is used to pick up deafening crash if you dont have one available on your other azerite. @novel barn

[chilly brook]

Define bad

Because if it’s a prot trait it’s not bad

[novel barn]

okay, @potent anvil thats what i have selected

was just wondering about the engi specific traits

also Ablative shielding

good to stack?

or should I take Overwhelming Power or the crit buff

[potent anvil]

Synaptic spark or w/e its called is decent for m+. Roughly 20% uptime, bit RNG though but you get it in big pulls for sure. Barrage and the relational gizmo traits are decent for dps.

[chilly brook]

I really don’t see much bad with your current setup @turbid wing unless you’re wanting to stack BoM on all three pieces I wouldn’t worry about it too much

[novel barn]

thank you @potent anvil

idk if i should take a second overwhelming power or ablative shielding

what do you think @potent anvil?

[turbid wing]

I'm thinking that the 2nd BoM trait could be replaced with either BS or BfI or not? I mean other defensive traits are way more useful than so I will probably gamble chest

[umbral forge]

@weary nacelle
Store toy lets people turn into real nightborne and that makes them really salty

cause the playable version is decaf

[chilly brook]

I mean

[umbral forge]

with terrible racials.
Like their racial is just a weaker lightforged racial and a toy.

[chilly brook]

Considering AP buffs your IP BoM has more value than just a crit block buff

[turbid wing]

thanks @chilly brook

[analog swift]

@potent anvil the gizmo (tho rng) sims higher than anything else (except one dc) for aoe tho.

[weary nacelle]

Ahhhh i see. Lol that really is bad, indeed. Thank you for the answer @umbral forge

[analog swift]

And yeah it’s rng but we chain pulling bb

[umbral forge]

I was zandalari until I saw the devestate animation and just

no

Plus turning into kul tiran is just disgusting

[chilly brook]

Actiblizzion Pepega

[potent anvil]

@novel barn I prefer Overwhelming power.
@analog swift I use the relational normalization gizmo on my prot engi helm. It sims the highest for me for sure.

[analog swift]

Yeet

[stone beacon]

is this ADD ON viable https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/azeritepowerweights

[analog swift]

Thinking about making a second one. So I don’t have to reforge for KR/conclave

[chilly brook]

@stone beacon idk why you’d need it

[analog swift]

Not really as tanks no

People used that for crucible cuz that was difficult to sim

[chilly brook]

We have a fairly easy to follow system with spec specific traits

[analog swift]

But you can just top gear

And prot is easy af

[chilly brook]

^^

Spec specific traits>anything else

Inner rings are kinda ez to follow as well

[analog swift]

Actually question about that^^

Is the absorbotron any good?

On helm I didn’t see it in pine

Pins*

[strong forum]

Absorbotron is straight up broken

[chilly brook]

Can’t speak to it never used it, probably a mention on it within the guide

[strong forum]

It takes 1hit nomatter how big

[analog swift]

Kkk just didn’t know the prot traits

Errr

Proc rates

Lolol

[strong forum]

It can take an entire trash

[stone beacon]

actually wanted to use it for my off specs not my protection but thantks anyway ;D

[potent anvil]

Proc rate for both the cauterizer and absorbotron is 1.5 ppm. Its pretty good. I use absorb as a tank, and cauterizer as dps. Although the latter for KR as a tank is good too.

[analog swift]

Yeah I have so many breaths I mineasewell make another one

[rain marsh]

hey guys brace for impact or unstable catalyst would better for both raiding and m+

[chilly brook]

I feel like a broken record

Prot traits>generic

Engi traits seem to be the only exception

[undone sun]

get used to it

[elfin plume]

hey what exactly does attack power affect these days

or more specifically which classes benefit from it

[chilly brook]

Our ignore pain

[undone sun]

all

[chilly brook]

All

[elfin plume]

so its basically 10% damage?

like i dont understand the benefits exactly

[chilly brook]

It’s free damage yes

[elfin plume]

i just know that str classes hit harder for sure

[thorn socket]

how does ilvl scale for prots?

[chilly brook]

And more absorb

[elfin plume]

idk about like ranged and shit

[chilly brook]

@thorn socket wdym

[elfin plume]

attack power affects ranged too?

like mages and shit?

[chilly brook]

Ilvl is king

I mean they have spell power

[elfin plume]

ahhhhh

theres the answer

[chilly brook]

Which is basically the same thing

[elfin plume]

so does it affect them

or is that why they have arcane intellect

because it doesnt give them a damage buff

[signal plover]

U mean like do they benefit from battle shout?

No

[elfin plume]

yes thats what i meant

i should have been more specific

[chilly brook]

Intellect=spell power

Strength=attack power

[elfin plume]

so attack power helps physical damage classes?

[gray gyro]

shout etc only adds attack power which is physical based classes
AI affects spells from casters

[elfin plume]

i mean battle shout

[chilly brook]

Yes

[signal plover]

Agi is AP as well I believe

[chilly brook]

Yes it is

[elfin plume]

yes so physical damage

[chilly brook]

But we get no agi

[elfin plume]

so it buffs hunters

[chilly brook]

Yes...

[elfin plume]

yeah its pseudo stat

[signal plover]

But Battle shout is AP so it buffs agi classes

[chilly brook]

Not a pseudo stat

[elfin plume]

or like pseudo mainstat?

[thorn socket]

bc this is my problem idc if ilvl outscale socket and haste stat

[elfin plume]

because it doesnt actually give agility or strength

[oblique garnet]

415

[chilly brook]

It’s just a simple multiplier

[elfin plume]

ah okay

[oblique garnet]

warrior doesnt have bad stats

[chilly brook]

Most attacks or abilities work off a formula that AP/SP are multiplied into

That’s how they scale with gear

[gray gyro]

melee classes and hunters have all their spells multiplied with Attack power, which can come from either agi, str or raw AP buffs
casters multiply by spell power

[small kraken]

does moment of glory stack ?

[thorn socket]

so the only thing i have to look for is on rings right?

if there is an ilvl difference like 15

[brisk ferry]

somehow Bull steps away and the stat questions come back

[sand egret]

Attack Power/Spell Power are simply semantical terms to describe and consolidate scaling main stats that vary across different classes. It's ultimately a way to scale the "effectiveness" of your abilities off your main stat. AP groups in non-intellect based specs and Spell Power is for casters. They could technically just say "Power" and have it all scaled behind the scenes, but they chose to add more of an RPG element to it with a caster-specific metric (also would be weird if Arcane Intellect was buffing warrior damage/gives them just another "buff" to give a spec)

also makes it easier to parse, since they can change how each stat scales and not have to broadcast that outwards

[stark sage]

also in the past, AP/SP used to be a common stat on gear

along side main stats and other stats

[sand egret]

and the lesser known Power...PvP Power!

😃

[stark sage]

rip resilience

[modern brook]

i heard people are asking about stats

😡

[jovial haven]

yes @modern brook a few posts up there is a question for you to answer

[chilly brook]

@thorn socket more stats>better stats

[modern brook]

😡

[jovial haven]

i got ya bull

[chilly brook]

^

[modern brook]

thanks wicked

[jovial haven]

you are welcome, I will save that for future use to ease your burden

[simple iris]

Anyone know if Intervene intercept the Powershot from Eudora on a ally?

[chilly brook]

is it an auto attack?

[jovial haven]

are they ranged? if so just have them los behind pillar

[simple iris]

It's a physical ranged spell, i guess

@jovial haven it's the second boss from Freehold, there isn't any pillar there

[jovial haven]

yes there is

[modern brook]

yeah there is

[simple iris]

My group keeps wiping in that, the rest is ezpz

[primal sable]

the building right next to you

[simple iris]

But is a 2 sec cast, i dont think there is enough time to los it, i usually keep the bosses in the center

[jovial haven]

if you're facing them, its the building on your right. the pillar at the farthest of that building is where ranged should stand

[simple iris]

hmm

What about melee's? need to tank the power shot?

it's almost a 1 shot on 17+ keys

[jovial haven]

they stand next to it always and when need just dip behind it, ranged life is ez on that fight

[modern brook]

Melees face tank it 🤷

[jovial haven]

have healer use a cd on melee if need

[modern brook]

^

[chilly brook]

Use a CD xD

[modern brook]

Feint is another option

[chilly brook]

Darkness

[jovial haven]

dh can prolly blade dance it

[modern brook]

def can

dh can blade dance everything

[chilly brook]

Pain Sup

BoP

Sac

list goes on

[jovial haven]

hell monk cocoon

[modern brook]

I would hope we dont need to list every external in the game

[jovial haven]

lol

[primal sable]

you could safeguard if youre that worried

[simple iris]

hmm... i'll say to our balance stay next to the building to los it them... and tell dh to try blade dance it... that's will help alot, thanks guys

[honest frigate]

you can intercept powder shot if your reaction time is fast enough

shouldn't do that for range though since they can los

no need for safeguard

[simple iris]

and i'll try intervene our rogue

[modern brook]

🤷 honestly if ur dps is being one shot by it they're either a) super undergeared or b) not doing mechanics

[chilly brook]

wait your dh should have like 3 ways to mitigate the damage

[jovial haven]

rogue should use feint

[chilly brook]

whatever their regular damage reduction is

[simple iris]

@honest frigate thanks, i was wondering if i need the talent

so i dont, right?

[chilly brook]

darkness

and blade dance

[jovial haven]

the comp you listed should all be able to deal with it on their own

[modern brook]

If u want to baby sit your dps yes u need safeguard to reduce the damage of eudoras pistol shot

You shouldnt need to take safeguard, assuming your dps know how to do things besides press chaos strike

🤷 its not your job to prevent random targeted damage

[simple iris]

i try to help with what i can xD

[jovial haven]

boomie and healer use pillar, dh can darkness for theirself and rogue and dh can blade dance and rogue feint

[modern brook]

p sure rogue feint needs elusiveness

thats a q for ravenholdt though

[sand egret]

powdershot is a conal AoE, is it not?

[modern brook]

uhhh maybe?

She has 2

ones a random target nuke

[jovial haven]

hell dh could prolly blade dance in front of rogue to save rogue lol

[modern brook]

the other is the jump and big aoe thing

[jovial haven]

regardless the comp shouldn't need you to save them

[simple iris]

@sand egret no, it's a random single physical shot

[modern brook]

@sand egret powder is a physical nuke, grape is the cone

just looked it up

[jovial haven]

tell them their dps doesn't matter if they're tanking the ground and do mechanics

[simple iris]

btw, where ranged and healer will los, the grape shot reaches there?

or they need to move away

[jovial haven]

yes, ranged use pillar for both

[simple iris]

oh, nice

[sand egret]

Ah, I see. I was confusing it with the first boss's rando nuke

[potent anvil]

@simple iris you dont need safeguard to intercept powder shot. iirc its a 1.5s cast so you should be able to react to it on melee should you need to use it.

It helps for melee to use a stam flask if theyre close to being 1 shot though.

[sand egret]

do boss abilities scale cast time with haste?

if she gets the brew, does she cast that faster?

[potent anvil]

I believe so if they get the haste brew.

[sand egret]

or that crit brew....RIP poor dps caught in that one

[potent anvil]

I could be wrong. I normally try to move them away from buffs.

I know it can crit with crit brew lol

[sand egret]

yeah, there are times where they are just real stubborn

[potent anvil]

I ate a crit powder shot as dps once. Feelsgood

[simple iris]

@potent anvil thanks... when i intercept, i take the damage instead or it is "blocked"?

[potent anvil]

That Im not entirely sure. Everytime I intercepted one neither of us took damage so maybe I just blocked it.

[sand egret]

[undone sun]

should act as a normal block

[simple iris]

i try to put the bosses on the dot brew, i dont try too hard... it does alot damage to them?

[sand egret]

that dot brew does do a pretty penny

[modern brook]

the brew scales with key doesnt it?

[sand egret]

yeah

[potent anvil]

Yeah, the dot brew owns. Makes the fight go a lot faster.

[simple iris]

good to know

the spell reflection nullifies the dot?

[potent anvil]

No, but you use it for the damage reduction if you accidentally got the dot.

[simple iris]

Nice... Thanks everyone, these tips will help alot

[tidal sleet]

so I just got a 415 grongs last night, this can be used effectively as prot?

[potent anvil]

Yes for st dps

[tidal sleet]

so you don't use it on big pulls? It's pretty much only a tyrannical boss thing?

[potent anvil]

It sucks for aoe, even on 3-5 targets. Its primarily used for ST.

I would only use it if you're comfortable tanking at whatever key level you're doing, though. Not worth sacrificing a defensive trinket for more ST dps.

[tired cove]

just take reckless fury azerite traits for more ST

[stark apex]

Fam I have been googling to no success
Is there a list of spell reflect spells for M+ dungeons

[simple iris]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#

Right here in this discord lol

[stark apex]

Thx !

[hexed sage]

To make my life easier, can i use Bloodmallets AzeritePowerWeights string? If i only care about dmg.

And then change out according to wowhead when I need more defense.

[potent anvil]

Could sim with raidbots to check for dps.

Then go from there if you want to be tankier, etc.

[vocal skiff]

That moment when you check your first log for a M+ and there is 35% block uptime for white damage

Long road to improvement

47% blocked hits, actually

Still, how much should I aim? 80-100?

[umbral forge]

depends on the boss imho

[jovial haven]

your opinion is skewed right now Jettom

[umbral forge]

wat

[jovial haven]

race change... lol

[exotic spoke]

^^ I was about to say that

[umbral forge]

how is that making my opinion skewed on blocked damage

[exotic spoke]

Just in general!

[vocal skiff]

I evaluated the whole dungeon

[jovial haven]

which one? that is important to know

[exotic spoke]

Oh! Thanks for the reminder. I need to check my TD logs

[vocal skiff]

Tol Dagor

On bosses, my uptime was significantly better, though not optimal

It is usually in trash that I sometimes feel like I am taking too much damage anyway

[empty inlet]

are you sure its not salt blast

or the dot from the arsonist

[vocal skiff]

I sure took damage from these sources

pugs aren't reliable interrupters

Nevertheless, I meant more in general. It is rare that I feel that I took damage that I shouldn't on bosses

[sand egret]

anecdotally, keeping good uptime on trash in M+s is harder than bosses. Since SB is a platespinning gig, the more hectic the situation the worse it'll generally be.

[vocal skiff]

Indeed

[sand egret]

then there's the other variable which is mob behavior. The more mobs + any movement can lead to weird mob movement and an accidental back-hit (unblockable). This can be particularly gruesome on Jes if you don't clear all them little adds, since you're moving with em.

[wary gyro]

Yeah the movement one is the one that always causes me problems

[vocal skiff]

I wish there was a way to check for when you turned your back

[sand egret]

that one is such a real touchy-feely thing, but it'd be nice if a "back-hit" had a flag that could be tracked in logs

[heavy chasm]

Uhh it's the one that does full damage during your SB window..?

[sand egret]

yeah, that'd be one way to glean it

[heavy chasm]

That would be tedious as all hell to track. But that would be it

[sand egret]

i wonder if you could build a WA that aggregates unblocked hit damage in combat

[vocal skiff]

So, I activated shield block in the log aura

and it says 92% damage blocked

is that it?

Like, I turned my back 8%

[sand egret]

maybe? i'd have to hop in wcl to confirm

[wary gyro]

It might also be 8% non blockable damage

[vocal skiff]

Of course, that doesn't account for the back hit when my SB is down

[heavy chasm]

That's kind of a hard question to answer imo. That could be many things. Like ang caster work wouldn't be attributed etc. But it still sounds in the right direction. A number no matter how nice is not good without context.

Get a log guru to look at haha

[unborn island]

Perhaps there's a way using LUA to understand if there's physical attacks which bypassed the block/parry/dodge rolls, that would flag up back hits. But I don't know if that's doable as I'm not sure what info the API has available

[patent flower]

Is there a synergy with devastator and reckless flurry or is it just memes. I would assume it is just more passive rage gen?

[unborn island]

In terms of ST damage I would imagine there is, but I don't know fo so

Sho*

[ionic fern]

I am not sure what kind of Synergy you are looking for.

You get Devastator dmg + RF damage per auto

[patent flower]

By synergy I mean rage gen - over the cookie cutter traits.

[heavy chasm]

Gonna slide a galeforce on it too yeah?

For maximum ST hah

[ionic fern]

Nope, no rage gain synergy. Just what you gain from the extra SS's .

[patent flower]

Ok, so pretty much for the memes.

[ionic fern]

It's actually legit when it comes to pure ST. RF is one of the strongest traits even for prot.,

[patent flower]

Hmm, ill play with it

[dawn shuttle]

Hey, guys fairly new to the discord I was just curious as to the types of comps you use in your M+ keys as prot i'm floating around 1350 io atm purely on pugs and i'm trying to get my own group of guys together and wanted some opinions

[ionic fern]

Cover the basics of CR/Dispells/CC's.

[outer dew]

2x outlaw and swap between 1x DH or 1x monk depending on dungeon

[ionic fern]

So i'm running with a resto druid that brings a CR. Rogue/DH/Mage for various dispells/Spellsteals/CC's.

[dawn shuttle]

I see

[outer dew]

Some keys are carried on the back of outlaw damage to the point it's kind of retarded

[dawn shuttle]

Thank you, i'll keep this is in mind

@scarlet tinsel i've noticed this as well, some of my more successful keys have supported this

[outer dew]

Everything you think you can do

Rogue does better

Lmao

[dawn shuttle]

hahhaha

[outer dew]

Monk pumps fine and basically adds more damage to the whole group

DH would be for purge, avoiding certain. Mechanics, or if you need to reduce the amount of people who need healing

Having 4x people as your main pushing group is fine

But you want a flex 5th

That'll help deal with X dungeon and X affix

[dawn shuttle]

For sure for sure