i started very late in vanilla
#protection
lusty grotto
I got Marshall at least
umbral forge
I'm not as old as you, Nim.
oblique garnet
and had actually no clue what was going on
lusty grotto
:(
umbral forge
Ye
oblique garnet
yes
sand egret
exactly...
umbral forge
I loved it
lusty grotto
Jesus christ
sand egret
I hated brussel sprouts when I was 8 too
modern brook
Vanilla = brussel sprouts
oblique garnet
but then on burning crusade i actually learned more about the game as i got better in english
sand egret
but that was mostly because I was "forced" to eat it back then
lusty grotto
Let's see how old I was when I started playing hmm... 2nd year of college just about
umbral forge
HOW OLD ARE YOU
lusty grotto
I'm 34
modern brook
wtf
oblique garnet
oh
lusty grotto
I'm not lying lol
modern brook
why do we play together
lusty grotto
Uhhhh
exotic spoke
Nim, I fee your pain. I hit Commander three times. Once from the beginning then the other two times from like rank 7
oblique garnet
nim no joke youre only 7 years older than my dad
modern brook
internet video games are a dangerous place
lusty grotto
Wtfff
sand egret
W.T.F LATE
exotic spoke
And helped play other accounts on the hwl / Gm grind.
exotic spoke
Oh ok
sand egret
jesus
modern brook
was about to say
lusty grotto
I had a mild aneurysm there
modern brook
ur dad shoulda been using #protection
sand egret
my heart can't take that shit
lusty grotto
My sides
exotic spoke
IMO - vanilla was great despite its self. Looking back, it wasn’t a good game. But the experience of the first time and more importantly the people made it great
sand egret
the game wasn't good
sand egret
what the game did at its time was legendary
oblique garnet
i mean sure it was probably good for all the people who could actually interract with others in english
exotic spoke
Yes bladesong. For the time it was good though. But not by today’s standards
sand egret
the server work, the fact that the art style has basically persisted for this long is nothing short of amazing
exotic spoke
About the only thing I’ll be doing on classic is making my original toon with my original name on just about every server
Cause I ain’t having some mother fucker trying to be me
sand egret
I won't touch Vanilla, mostly because it's one of those things they can't recreate since the "wonder" is what made it great
exotic spoke
Exactly
vocal skiff
Pretty much
modern brook
@sand egret the servers dont work
vocal skiff
I played Vanilla since day 1, and though I was very happy back then, I know I would find it annoying today
oblique garnet
might just level up a character to prove that the players just were shit during classic instead of it being "hard"
modern brook
^
vocal skiff
I would like to try out shaman though
exotic spoke
Oh we absolutely were. It wasn’t hard
modern brook
I'm going to make a 2 letter name'd rogue
vocal skiff
I was always alliance, and back then shamans were gods
modern brook
thats all i want
exotic spoke
Naxx was hard because it was different
vocal skiff
There's a reason they were called baby jesus
exotic spoke
And had mechanics
sand egret
you do understand that WoW is built on tribal knowledge
oblique garnet
Ofc
sand egret
and your baby ass knows what it knows thanks to that 😃
modern brook
thats why everyone is OONGA BOONGA today
exotic spoke
Leveling a warrior sucked at launch. But 1.12 it was better
sand egret
there was a time where "spread out" was a legit mechanic simply because people weren't used to it
vocal skiff
Oh yeah, warrior was my first class
sand egret
now it's something that's not even a conscious thought
vocal skiff
Going all the way for berseker stance
In the barrens
I think it was the barrens iirc
lusty grotto
Lol
sand egret
warriors were my arch enemy
vocal skiff
Over an island
oblique garnet
i think it was my dad who gave me first advice about wow and it was just "Dont stand in shit"
lusty grotto
I remember that melarius
vocal skiff
On the other hand, it was amazing to kill rogues with overpower
Overpower overpower overpower
oblique garnet
Like doesnt actually take much to avoid
lusty grotto
You had to kill other warriors on that quest
sand egret
kiting a warrior in the deadzone of charge was some shit though 😃
i preyed on those Ashkandi scrubs
lusty grotto
i never got ashkandi in vanilla
sand egret
then my DS would proc and you'd be like OH YOU LIKE CRITS?!
oblique garnet
Nimchip is like the old dictionary of vanilla, " I was there during the fall of C'Thun" " I witnessed the opening on f the gates"
lusty grotto
even though we farmed the shit out of nef even during naxx
vocal skiff
Nefarian was never kind to me
exotic spoke
Melarius, good rogues would destroy us
sand egret
i didn't get my scarab lord title because I had to take a final
vocal skiff
Vaelstrazsa or whatever it's spelled was so fun, despite being ridiculous in concept
sand egret
and i'm still salty
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto I’m with you man.. turning 32 in a few days
lusty grotto
we got 1 scarab lord and he was a guatemalan hunter
vocal skiff
like that was part of the design
exotic spoke
Nah melarius lol... you didn’t have enough priests in your raid
wary gyro
I never got ashkandi because my guild kept giving it to people who didnt tank
lusty grotto
there were 4 scarab lords in arthas
sand egret
I had to give mine up to a druid
exotic spoke
You fucking mind visioned the debug off
vocal skiff
My raid didn't know about that apparently
oblique garnet
Bull ikr?
lusty grotto
imagine standing in fire is so old, but people still fuck that up
modern brook
u invented canes and tennis balls to prevent floor scuffings
vocal skiff
The other day I found that a guildie was 16
lusty grotto
every single time someone dies to standing in shit, it makes me unreasonably mad, and im not gonna put a rage joke in there because it does
oblique garnet
i have played this game way too much tbh
vocal skiff
They were 2 when vanilla was released
wary gyro
I'm mostly going to play vanilla so I can just sit in av all day questing again
vocal skiff
I am certain if I add up the played time, it would no doubt make up a year or more
vocal skiff
across my characters
lusty grotto
well at least AVs wont be server specific
sand egret
rejoin it on Sunday
lusty grotto
3 day AVs
sand egret
still the same fucking AV
sand egret
unless you rolled with your 40 man raid group
modern brook
AV is something that i wish i expereienced tbh
sand egret
and you just felt like it was some PvE encounter
modern brook
seemed like such a cool idea
weary thorn
one day in high school over summer break, I stayed in one of those 3 day AVs the entire time
so much monster was consumed
I will have cancer
lusty grotto
that fucking bridge was one of the only things that made me regret being alliance
vocal skiff
jesus
sand egret
haha yeah
oblique garnet
Melarius i have spent more than half of my life playing this game feels fucking bad man
sand egret
that bridge doe
lusty grotto
that fucking bridge
vocal skiff
Well I am 28 so unless I literally played it all the time since then I am safe from that count
lusty grotto
rofl
exotic spoke
Fuck world bosses - green dragons in particular
lusty grotto
WE DONT NEED 25 PEOPLE TO CAP TOWER POINT
exotic spoke
Though funny story
sand egret
green dragons were one of my fav times in wow
sand egret
it caused so much guild vs guild open world pvp
exotic spoke
We kept getting briefed by a horde guild on a world boss. A Gm came and froze them... for a day.
sand egret
you'd bring in a raid group just to run "defense"
exotic spoke
Except - it wasn’t a day real life time.. it was in game time
sand egret
I used to work with a guy who was a GM in early wow
he was telling me some hilarious stories
exotic spoke
a guild had a lockdown on green dragons. Literally got 95% plus of the kills.
Made huhu a ducking bitch to kill
sand egret
like one time he went into Mauradon and his group couldn't kill the Princess....so he just DeathTouched that shit
exotic spoke
I loved trying to kill huhu in AQ 40 with Nr gear from Mauradon and shit instead of the gear I got from raids
sand egret
oh Riki, see we had guilds that would lock down dragons, but we also had shady dealings where we partnered with an ally guild who'd kill our competition
exotic spoke
Not at all.
sand egret
funnn times
exotic spoke
Oh, no, they didn’t need it. They would lock it down to fuck everyone else over
Hard to beat them in progression without access to similar gear lol
sand egret
ah yes, that's when me and my death squad was recruited
exotic spoke
I don’t fault them. I think it was shitty design by blizzard.
Though we found a solution and used it
exotic spoke
The flasks from ZG would make you immune to her poison nova soft enrage.
exotic spoke
When used at the right time. Thus removing the enrage
We had dwarf priests but that’s it
sand egret
25 dorfs in baby
exotic spoke
If you weren’t dwarf priests you where wrong. If you weren’t a human warrior you where wrong (that expertise baby!)
wary gyro
Cant wait to get attuned for ony again maybe I wont spend as much time looking for rexxar as I do on the rest of the quest chain this time
sand egret
but thottbot said he'd be here!
exotic spoke
But yeah, I’m making my character - getting in theguild... and never logging in again
wary gyro
Fucker wandered across half of kalimdor
vocal skiff
Alliance's attunement to onyxia was surely epic
But did I get annoyed by the marshal in BRD walking
Back then all NPCs involved in quests walked
no running
wary gyro
At least you didnt have to search half a continent for your questgiver on each leg of it
vocal skiff
Yes, I remember hearing Horde's side was far worse
I know Rexxar patrolled on Desolace
Other than that, nothing
Did he go through half of Kalimdor
lol
thorn fiber
Hey lads I know this is a bit off topic from current discussion but on an azerite piece I know bloodmallet specs for DPS only but at what point should I consider the defensive trait.. like heed my call vs azerite healing pool. I was thinking healing pool just for bigger pulls but my warrior is an alt, looking for a bit of experience in here.
exotic spoke
What content are you interested in doing aegis
thorn fiber
On him more m+
exotic spoke
The basis for azerite traits is 3 BoM 1 DC and for m+ 2 IF
modern brook
@thorn fiber the cool thing about Prot
sharp raptor
Hey guys, I have azerite trait question of what you'd do. I either (stack 2 deafening crashes), take a callous reprisal, or take a miticulous scheming. What would you do? (or a reckless flurry for pure dps, but it's for M+ so likely not that)
modern brook
is that we can gear for damage without sacrificing surviability
because of how much we like stats
thorn fiber
Probably be doing 10 to 12s would more top end for his gear.
wary gyro
He patrolled from desolace all the way through feralas iirc so not quite half the continent but still way too much
modern brook
so you can generally grab middle rings that have stats on them like OP or UF or even Lifespeed
and they provide a lot of value without having to make that decision
exotic spoke
The guide posted is really good and ranks them for content.
modern brook
@sharp raptor i have no clue wtf ur saying
but i think the answer is take CR over scheming
@exotic spoke does the guide rank middle traits?
Ithought it only looked at the outers
sharp raptor
I'm saying do I take: 2 DC, or CR, or Scheming to avoid doubling DC
modern brook
Oh
uhh dc +CR
Double DC will probably beat CR in damage
but cr has defensive value still
so 🤷
sharp raptor
right
stoic pilot
i like my double DC in m+
sharp raptor
what about stacking BoM?
stoic pilot
3x bom is optimal for m+
sharp raptor
is mastery super good or overkill? I'd be replacing a Brace for Impact to get 2
modern brook
side note: the guide def lists them but i already disagree with the list lol
stacking bom is very efficient
atomic copper
albative has saved my ass more then i want to admit and its lower then blood siphon
sharp raptor
really? interesting...
stoic pilot
stacking bom is great for m+ because you're always tanking stuff during avatar
modern brook
stats, in general but especially in M+, are very good on us
thorn fiber
Yes I read them and try not to bother with simple questions like this just wondered if it better to take a inner ring defensive or more offensive , as I start to gear more. In my mind the sustain would beat out the small DPS value of 1 heed my call personally but lack of running m+ on my warrior brought me to you experienced fine folk.
modern brook
getting a fuck ton of mastery during our cooldown is a really good look
it also lets u ignore mastery when gearing to get more haste/crit/verse
leading to more overall stats
exotic spoke
@modern brook I think it ranks all the traits in every ring - or it did at one point - but not necessarily differentiating between content
modern brook
but thats A D V A N C E D protecting
and not something you should consider until you're super min maxing, generally with a custom APL
atomic copper
@thorn fiber always go defensive
sharp raptor
yeah this is my alt, granted my priority alt so I tend to go ilvl but then with gear prioritize haste + vers
atomic copper
@modern brook i will admit that im the wierd prot that builds pure defensive
modern brook
🤷 i hold to that on all my tanks
in ~90% of encounters you're appropriately geared for; playing your spec well will be enough to not die
stoic pilot
as long as you're not the tank that makes your co-tank stop doing dps because you cant hold threat because you're playing that defensively
literally the worst thing ever
atomic copper
i like to see how low of damage i can take, my record was 88% reduction on fetid H and im trying to get better then that in Bod with opulance
stoic pilot
yeah it's insane
sick sentinel
the guide and the list are written specifically for raid tanking
exotic spoke
There’s a separate m+ section for outer traits I thought
modern brook
@thorn fiber to give u a concrete answer: your middle ring priority should look something like Bonus Stats > CC > Ablative > damage centric stuff > purely defensive options
specifically for M+
though i think its worth noting that middle ring has a lot of lee way for personal taste
atomic copper
i change the ring a lot based on the healer i have
modern brook
I aint got that kinda cash lol
thorn fiber
Well the trait is azerite veins. Since I put more often then not I figure go defensive but wasn't sure if the adds DPS would beat the added healing. Can go either depending on how you look at it.. but the argument of doing proper rotation sounds enticing to pick up that added dmg to time keys faster.
exotic spoke
Back to work - cya guys later
thorn fiber
But then again less healing the healer needs to do is more DPS uptime from tbhem
I guess I'll just ply around with it lol see what fits better
patent mural
atomic copper
you looking for damage or mitigation
thorn fiber
Wouldn't paku represent the best of both?
atomic copper
if you want a bit of both yea
atomic copper
how many BoM you running?
modern brook
u didnt even beat the ret
primal crypt
Lmao
modern brook
@sharp raptor I personally would put CC over Mast/leech, but i also have 3 boms
like i said
primal crypt
Slackin
modern brook
middle ring has a lot of leeway
primal crypt
Gotta push those numbers up
modern brook
ABBC
chilly brook
I mean obviously tank spec
It is the prot channel and details shows the spec icon lol
modern brook
thanks griff
warm plinth
I was getting ready to call bullshit and say they were obviously in Fury until you pointed that out 😉
chilly brook
😉
modern brook
😉
weary thorn
they've really done a good job on div 2 in my opinion
ocean acorn
man in division i only hit 24
modern brook
griff is a pro-am division 2er, in fairness
ocean acorn
but been having fun so far
chilly brook
I’m no pro
ocean acorn
i haave been running keys but in down time i play division
marble oyster
Yo! i got a question about a macro i want.
Is it possible, that i make a macro that has Devastate as main skill and when ever Revenge procs, it switch to Revenge instead and when the proc is used, goes back to Devastate?
signal plover
Don't believe that's possible anymore.
austere oar
I dont think you can do that
modern brook
they def cut that
you might be able to get creative with a cast sequence reset macro thing
but the end result wouldnt be exactly what you're looking for
austere oar
Else you would just bind your entire rotation with a priority sequence
modern brook
and ur better off just pressing them on 2 separate binds
add ons are another route but i know blizzard dislikes that so im not officially recomending them
marble oyster
the thing is that i find prot abit clumsy with all the skills
modern brook
I'm willing to argue thats just unfamiliarity with the class
warm plinth
Same
marble oyster
i got one spell to much
eager hollow
you can still reflect cyclone strike ye?
modern brook
a lot of it boils down to press what lights up and maintain defensives
@eager hollow only if its not targeting u
modern brook
Also u cant get all of them
only every other
@marble oyster are you using modifiers?
marble oyster
Devastator was a quite neat alternative for me
modern brook
ie: i use 1234 for dev, slam, rev, and clap
austere oar
Devastate is a last resort spell
marble oyster
but i want to use Booming
modern brook
but i use shift-1 for VR , shift 2 for throw, shift3 for uhhhh and shift 4 for sr
austere oar
You use it only when you absolutely have nothing else to press (except revenge non proc)
marble oyster
that's the thing, i dont want to waste rage on a non proc revange
and i want to use Devastate instead of that
marble oyster
yea
marble oyster
i rather use rage on IP
modern brook
conversely, stacking IP if its already on is generally just CDR
and that rage is better spent being REVENGE
marble oyster
yes
but i am quite new to warrior
and quite low gear atm
so def is needed atm
and a perf uptime on IP would be good imo
warm plinth
So the problem for you is that you have one more ability than you have in your normal keybinding set?
marble oyster
more or less yes
modern brook
.> the last time someone said they have too many key binds they had mage food bound to 5
austere oar
Yeah but that situation would only happen where you would be 130% IP capped, >85 rage and SS is available and not tanking boss
marble oyster
i dont know where to put Revange / Devastate
modern brook
so forgive me if i dont believe that
sick sentinel
prot warrior meta: push the limits on what your healers will let you get away with
warm plinth
Can you post an SS of your bars?
sick sentinel
my god what do you have strafe bound to
warm plinth
What are 2 and 4?
steel mauve
i dont have a strafe key bound but i can still strafe
marble oyster
i got strafe on A and D
modern brook
why do you have shift+6 but not 6?
steel mauve
and my movement keys are SDF
modern brook
wait s6 is a mouse button?
warm plinth
What is on 4?
marble oyster
i made a macro on the mouse
modern brook
got it
marble oyster
4 is normal devestate
modern brook
I personally resever 1-4 for rotational buttons
marble oyster
2 is a macro i tried
modern brook
cause they're the closest to my hands
warm plinth
So what else do you want to bind that you don't have room for? Right now you have revenge on 2 and devastate on 4
steel mauve
W-T are my rotational buttons
marble oyster
maybe i could change Shield Block away and get Devestate on 1
modern brook
@steel mauve it bothers me that you start 1 key to the right for this shit
im all for unique binds but god damn that triggers my ocd
marble oyster
omg i just make a new screen shot 2 sec
modern brook
whats qaz
warm plinth
I actually have it that way. Devastate is on 1, SB on 4
marble oyster
that macro on 2 fucks with everyones mind
honest frigate
dev, ss, clap, rev for me: 1-4
marble oyster
modern brook
soi can use them while moving
steel mauve
harder for me to hit Q then it is T, Q are my short cd defensives, like spell reflect for my warrior
honest frigate
defensives are shift +f,1-4
warm plinth
Okay so what isn't bound that you want bound? It looks like you have everything on a binding
honest frigate
my reflect is r 😃
modern brook
mines shift 4 :^)
steel mauve
main defensives like shield wall and last stand are 2 and 3
IP is technically on 4 but i used it on my mouse so its easy to spam
marble oyster
i want Demoralizing Shout on 4 and have something i dont use often on 5. And that leaves me with one spell that i gotta use quite often.
warm plinth
What do you think this is, Legion?
steel mauve
IP gets used a lot
marble oyster
i got IP on Q
warm plinth
You could put Devastate on 5; I'd say it's the least used of the main rotation
warm plinth
I don't understand XD You said you want something you don't use often on 5, but then said 5 isn't an option
steel mauve
shield block is kind of often too
your only cd like options are last stand/shield wall really
warm plinth
Okay now we're making sense
steel mauve
then dont put any thing on 5?
marble oyster
i do
warm plinth
You don't have X bound, do you not want to use that either?
steel mauve
x is my heroic leap 😉
marble oyster
i prefer be above asd
warm plinth
Do you use ` for anything?
marble oyster
on a swedish keyboard ` is a shift + ´ right next to enter lol
warm plinth
Oh
marble oyster
well, i just try to change my memorized moves on the keyboard and try to learn to have Thunder clap on 5 and Shield Block on E
that makes IP and Shield block very close as defensive Q and E
lilac jackal
you should also bind mousewheel up and down
warm plinth
I tried unbinding zoom; it messes with me a lot :/
lilac jackal
my primary row is 1 2 3 4 q e r f c z mwU mwD
marble oyster
i got Shift + Mouse wheel down and up
sick sentinel
is this the daily keybinds talk?
lilac jackal
hah, this is my frist day in the discord so yeah 😄
wild bolt
Hey fellas, been a long time. Is sim data any more reliable for us than it used to be? Trying to decide between a 385 Rezan's and a 410 Mchimba's. I get that ilvl is ilvl.... but Mchimba's is pretty meh & no real offensive value.
sick sentinel
these are mine if you are interested 😛
wild bolt
The obvious answer is ofc to get a higher Rezan's. 😛
mortal brook
main stat is main stat
sick sentinel
what is your other trinket?
wild bolt
400 Jes
warm plinth
Having to click on screenshot to see it closely 🤢
mortal brook
rezan's uptime is poop anyways
steel mauve
ion sims rezans wiill mostly win out, since it cant sim defensively
sick sentinel
go jes rezans
I would tell you go to bandages because of the weird math on it, but 2 on use is even worse
stone cloud
These good stats (full itf stacks)
steel mauve
any amount of stats are good stats
stone cloud
I have 2x UF + butchers block
warm plinth
Why does he need more crit; we have Battle C--oh 😢
wild bolt
😦
wild bolt
Yeah it seems unusually hard to get rid of Vers this time around
modern brook
rezan is like ~20% uptime wtf?
sick sentinel
20-25%*
@wild bolt I messaged you about the weird math of bandages
essentially what it means is that they are 2 times better than you think they are
oblique garnet
These are the ultimate keybinds that every aspiring warrior should have 4Head
modern brook
The wall bind gives me anxiety
oblique garnet
mwheelup?
modern brook
I'd hit that by accident so much
oblique garnet
Are you scrolling alot in combat or?
modern brook
Always
lilac jackal
i never do
modern brook
Sometimes I need to check out how cool I look clapping u kno
lilac jackal
wait, you dont play in first person?
i thought this was a tank discord. not a crazy person discord
steel mauve
mouse wheel up is my avatar, down is stormbolt, shift wheel up is trinket and down is health stone 😃
oblique garnet
Noo
steel mauve
if its a 1.5 trinket i have it macroed into avatar though and free the shift up
thorn fiber
I couldn't imagine playing with mwu or mwd for abilities with out a modifier. I would accidentally popping shit off.
oblique garnet
Why would you need to scroll on combat
lilac jackal
you got to see those sweet spin attacks if you're a dwarf
or those dank flips if you're a night elf
oblique garnet
You can see them anyways
modern brook
what u got binoculars for eyes?
thorn fiber
I have camera scroll set to control mwu/mwd if I need to zoom it but to have them bound I just know I would accidentally rolling finger probably on middle mouse click
old night
I posted t his last night and only got one reply, want a few more if possible. Which two? I am thinking 400/415
but the vers is big money
sick sentinel
I would go for 405/415
oblique garnet
^
old night
kk
modern brook
Yeah 405 415
fathom star
guys do u think everchill anchor trinket from jaina good for prot ?
modern brook
ur losing stamina and a bit of off stat for like 20 more haste which def isnt worth it
fathom star
for m+ ?
fathom star
i was thinkin maybe i can bonus roll for that
potent anvil
Everchill is pretty good for aoe. I probably wouldnt use it in raid.
sick sentinel
I can go in depth but I see deswind typing
fathom star
asking for casual m+
old night
@sick sentinel lol i meant for raid it isn't good and I wouldn't slot it
old night
oh i somehow missed that
oblique garnet
@fathom star it does 3-4% of your overall damage its really good
old night
you know whats funny. I didn't realize xD was a face until about 4 months ago
some kid in my discord used to say "ex dee" when he thought something was funny
and I finally went "what the fuck does that even mean"
oblique garnet
???
modern brook
eggs d
oblique garnet
I swear
old night
yep
oblique garnet
Grandpas everywhere
old night
im 29
sand egret
👀
oblique garnet
Lul
daring marlin
instadusted it
patent flower
Why are prot warrios on logs with reckless flurry?
Is that bug or they just lazy/broke and dont want to reforge?
modern brook
RF is a ST DPS increase 🤷
patent flower
Does it even proc for prot though? It is a fury trait...
sick sentinel
the AA damage does
dry whale
do u still take safeguard on fortifed weeks in fh? like high keys 20
lusty grotto
answer: because cheesing dps parses
i dont take safeguard actually
but i should
its just situational
if in a dungeon where targetted abilities are insta deaths.. like tyrannical eudora
but even those are avoidable by LoS
modern brook
I'm a tank not a baby sitter
oblique garnet
I dont think ive ever taken safeguard in fh
modern brook
I've never taken safeguard tbh
im tryna JUMP and im tryna CLAP
ull notice the only letters they share are vowels
teal grail
how the hell do u live shadow of zul in KR as a prot
winter aspen
spam IP
steel mauve
Ive taken safeguard on like 1 raid boss so far
analog swift
@patent flower it’s just for memes I did it last night. Was orange parsing while selling carries
buoyant raft
Any1 in here that hade Done alot of m+ tanking and can give me some advises?:)
oblique garnet
Practice alot
analog swift
Yeah read icy veins and practice
oblique garnet
Maintain sb uptime when tanking mobs and dont be afraid to use your cds
Dont pool rage
modern brook
was there a specific question or just "how tank keys"
buoyant raft
Like how can u do like 70k dps in a single pull, just spec that increse dmg of thunder clap and use avatar on cd?
modern brook
Yeah p much
oblique garnet
Only 70k?🤔
buoyant raft
Are u using thunder clap evry 2nd global?
modern brook
yeahp
its a builder and it does a lot of damage
If you're unsure about your rotation/cd usage etc check the guides, marok did a great job explaining those imo
heady ether
you want treacherous covenant
oblique garnet
It doesnt suck
warm plinth
It's our strongest DPS stat besides haste on a huge uptime
oblique garnet
But doesnt do more damage than 2nd dc on m+
heady ether
3x TC, 2x BoM and 1 DC
modern brook
3dc 3bom is literally better
warm plinth
That doesn't mean TC sucks though
heady ether
TC is superior
oblique garnet
Its not
warm plinth
It has no draw back unless you can't play your class properly
heady ether
draw back only if youre not playing well
warm plinth
I'm not saying it's better than BoM. I was just surprised someone said it sucked
heady ether
1200 strength at all times is very good
oblique garnet
Yeah sure if you only pull one pack at a time you can maintain it
heady ether
Maintaining it is not an issue, TC is great for M+ because it is strong all around. You can have it up all the time
oblique garnet
What lvl keys we talking here?
heady ether
15+
neon tangle
I’m going to say as a solid rule, if you never drop below 50 you’re not pulling big enough
oblique garnet
^
gilded nymph
Guys what about start prio when it comes to compare item level vs haste
lets X item Gives no haste but its 20ilevel up
heady ether
that's a dumb rule, you can pull 1 mob and drop bellow 50 cuz ya suck
sweet summit
ilvl>haste i would guess
neon tangle
This applies to any key level
sick sentinel
hi all is the alchemy trinket any good for m+ ive read icyveins says its an alternative if you cant get ahold of 1 of the 1s listed but is it good or only a placeholder for other trinkets from say dungeons or raids?
warm plinth
ilevel is better. Stat priority only matters at equal ilevels. @gilded nymph
neon tangle
If you’re doing a 0 pull the whole dungeon
sand kettle
I think the alch trinket is quite good tbh
warm plinth
@sick sentinel The alc trinket is really solid
If it's your highest ilevel, you should likely use it
sick sentinel
awright cheers
oblique garnet
”Youre not playing well” ok go do an 20 on fortified week pull double and tell me you dont drop below 50% at any point during the dungeon
sweet summit
@gilded nymph if you get more stats overall, its better
warm plinth
Most of the time it's still going to be ilevel. On rings I would probably give up 5 ilevels for a socket, maybe 10 though that's a marginal difference at that point most likely.
sand kettle
do you guys tend to pull smaller on bolster weeks?
oblique garnet
No
neon tangle
@sand kettle the only thing I do is try and get same health packs
modern brook
however much haste u get when wearing your highest ilvl gear @gilded nymph
neon tangle
Sucks to pull a bunch of little dudes and a giant in FH for example
modern brook
Dont bother checking
whatever number u have
if ur on ur highest ilvl gear
Is where u should be
oblique garnet
Not bad
daring marlin
rogue was like muh blade flurry
oblique garnet
Everything lined up?
gilded nymph
heady ether
sim
oblique garnet
The haste gear will be better
modern brook
how the fuck did u manage to swap 14 % haste on equipment that all has the same image
warm plinth
I think he has ITF stacks in the 2nd pic
gilded nymph
same drops i with sockets and haste
warm plinth
Has to
gilded nymph
and rings
oblique garnet
One is crit mastery ring from temple with waycrest ring and other is the ring from kr
lime mantle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FNG2Hra9tLbdvzx6/#fight=last&type=summary
Please roast critique.
t. Warnilla aka grey parsing trash (i forgot to use the prepots)
modern brook
oh fuck yeah ok i missed that
gilded nymph
they just put same icons on must M+ gear not my fualt
modern brook
theres probably a better answer than the two you're linking tbh
oblique garnet
@lime mantle your demoshout uptime is low you should keep it up more
modern brook
whats your Blood rite competeing with?
lime mantle
@modern brook Bloodsport
lime mantle
I see.
oblique garnet
Blood rite will be good on explosive weeks other than that eh
lime mantle
Why exactly BS>BR?
modern brook
Its a big boost to IP window, provides some self sutsain
BR is proc based and as such unrelaible; in KR Specifically its hard to maintain the procs outside of like 2 pulls
Your first avatar on trash feels weird
Theres a lot of blank globals like you'll do TC->TC
OOPS i lied sorry
misread timeline
oblique garnet
However during explosive week bloodrites uptime goes off the charts
Where you can get 70% + uptime in most dungeons
modern brook
^
here though u TC -> ss ->revenge -> TC
not super against SS>TC in avatar, though i personally think TC>SS
but you should be TC every chance u get
that revenge sneaks its way into avatar a lot
smoky mesa
is it worth dropping 15 ilvl for bom+dc chest for m+ / the other piece has iif and bfi
no other bom trait otherwise
smoky mesa
yees
warm plinth
Then it's not worth dropping ilevel
lime mantle
@smoky mesa what is iif and bfi?
warm plinth
Iron Fortress and Brace for Impact
smoky mesa
exactly
lime mantle
@modern brook Alright, I see I'll keep it in mind!
modern brook
@lime mantle on some of the Demo shouts you're not fitting 3 TC's into its duration
THat might be because adds are dying
lime mantle
No, no definitively I've messing up on tc'ing proper
modern brook
During demo the first 3 TCs are prioritized over SS
LAst stand isnt being used enough; if the serpent fight is anything to go off of
lime mantle
I'm pretty conservative with CDs I should remember to be less so as I'm warrior not VDH here. And they have low-ish cd
modern brook
Last stand especially, due to bolster
U can use it to cover downtime on SB
Good
bad
the difference of having SB up
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone!
modern brook
no u
lime mantle
thanks that kill was quite panic'y and I messed up a lot.
Also @jagged bay thanks
modern brook
Prot warrior absolutely shits on King Dazar
Its one of the best reasons to take a prot war into the dungeon
lime mantle
yeah, as said I died once there, that entire thing was me panic pretty hard but that's good as that way I know where I shit myself harder and need to improve.
modern brook
Idk i think ur doing fine
Most of what i said is 'get the most out of your cooldowns'
and block things that are blockable
lime mantle
nah I'm not we where like
modern brook
I'm looking at deaths rn
lime mantle
10-ish? minutes late (we had a very meme-y wipe from a joke when it was already depleted) and that's mostly my crap grey parsing dps.
also most deaths are
"Warnilla forgets he can kite like a god and gets turned to red paste"
modern brook
this needs a kick rotation on it during fort / any bonus trash damage week
it hurts
lime mantle
We where rotating, I did forget to deflect (and generally use deflect properly).
modern brook
ur not going to be able to sr all of them
a lot go out and eeach one chunks
theres just nothing else to kick in these pulls
DPS should be able to stop a lot of damage
lime mantle
yeah but I should be able to deflect more, I barely used it
modern brook
true enough
lime mantle
(And I can't make other people improve & saying "it's xxx fault not mine" is moronic if you want to improve, but that aside)
modern brook
grimace
if this isnt a pug; tell your friends to not release until told
thats 35 seconds wasted in just death timers
and i think this is the BC u were talking about, where u died earlier
modern brook
u'll notice the lack of a B value on the combo's mitigation - shield block it
@celest stag its a lot of damage
the 2nd and 3rd stack of DC are purely for damage gain
celest stag
kk
modern brook
its a strong option on the whole but if ur having trouble living consider swapping them for other traits
celest stag
what's a the best trait other than damage ?
lime mantle
It's friends, I'll go flay huncor he deserves it.
modern brook
@celest stag the bog standard recomendation for keys is 3bom 2IF 1 DC
lime mantle
Also in that wipe iirc we already where out of time and was during the unga bunga retard pull as a joke we had like 5? minutes left and 2 packs, zul 2 bosses)
modern brook
though "best" is dependant on key etc
celest stag
kk thx a lot
modern brook
I've def been in that exact situation danie
but not releasing saves a lot of time when it does matter
and a really bad habit to get into is just hammering it
Like sure key timer didnt matter anymore, but u coulda just reset the mob and been on ur way that much faster
that pull isnt necessary, thats why you're doing it at 40m
lime mantle
what'cha mean reset the mob?
modern brook
if everyone's dead, the mob isnt aggro'd anymore
he'll walk back and u just walk around him to the short cut
lime mantle
which isn't necessary? The one before The big'uns at the start? Or the zerk-caster-normal mob one?
Aaah that one
yeah don't think about that, that was them fucking about when the key was already waaay past gone
modern brook
I'd also def consider brining invis pots to an 18
KR is a dungeon where u can skip basically on CD and still make %
and considering its fort, you get a lot out of those skips
the trade off of course being u cant wipe :^)
lime mantle
We used them!
We were gonna skip middle golem but quick napkin math said "You ain't gonna make it scrub-o" so we killed him in case we wipped.
empty inlet
most groups do it
depending on your gauntlet you can play the reaping with it as well
modern brook
??
You cannot get middle golem to spawn 3rd reaping
unless you're doing the early pulls
empty inlet
if you get the 5 pack last in the kings room
modern brook
which u shouldnt be doing
empty inlet
you can play reaping with the golem
modern brook
OH you mean pull reaping into it
empty inlet
ya
modern brook
i thought u mean it to trigger it
empty inlet
most route these day either skip the 2 mob in the beginning or the 2 berzerker
modern brook
I skip both and the middle
empty inlet
then you have to play the 5 pack
weary veldt
is Incite the pack better than than callous reprisal?
empty inlet
which is not worht esp in bolster
weary veldt
for M+
lime mantle
wait how do you do the 'zerks after boss? Or by ten pot is reset?
lime mantle
Or you mean drink the invis, go over the 2 zerk and the 5 dudes, do the boss and repeat?
t-thanks
weary veldt
is it worth losing iron fortress and brace for impact to gain bastion of might and incite/callous
lime mantle
Can't you drink and shroud them?
modern brook
@weary veldt it depends on lot of shit; if one is higher ilvl take tha tone
warm plinth
Incite the Pack; it's one of the PvP ones I think?
lusty grotto
ehhhh
warm plinth
Mastery + mastery to 2 nearby allies
lusty grotto
hmmm how much is it
lusty grotto
interesting
warm plinth
20 sec duration
lusty grotto
proc though?
warm plinth
Yeah "you occasionally loose a tremendous roar"
modern brook
:gonkgang
warm plinth
Mastery proc vs CR
warm plinth
Yeah
modern brook
if fucking annoying
lusty grotto
yeah agreed
warm plinth
And the DR is a small perk too
lusty grotto
i dont think i would go for incite the pack over cr, but it's worth a test
modern brook
the DR on CR is literally a vdh talent
or at least a 4th of
ggwp all have a good weekend
ocean acorn
?
lime mantle
what is dc and cr?
daring marlin
deafening crash and callous reprisal
old night
👢 🍵 👏
undone sun
who
daring marlin
His pfp
old night
ya its rad
lusty grotto
is it momo challenge
old night
lusty grotto
it looks like momo challenge
old night
nope, just a cool photo
lusty grotto
ok its momo challenge 2.0
old night
ok
sand egret
im not even gonna ask
old night
I had to swap my old one because it pissed some girl off to the point where she said I was endorsing suicide
im sure blade/nim remember it but yeah
reeeeeeeeeeeeal dumb
daring marlin
What the heck
stark sage
old night
lemme find it
sara taylor from Youth Code
SO PROT RELATED QUESTION
Is there really anything I can do to not get my butthole punched in from lacerating claws on conclave? we're swapping at 2 but my god that shit is rough
sand kettle
reroll to a Dwarf would work I think
old night
wait does it actually get rid of it with stoneform/fireblood
GOD DAMNIT I JUST ROLLED FROM DARK IRON TO THICC BOI
fresh valley
Closing in on the +15 achievement. Just wanted to thank all yall for your help this season!! Couldnt have done it without yall!!!
sand kettle
from what I understand armor reduces bleed damage as it's physical
jade holly
Prot seems real good on conclave. I played vdh the first time and it was fucking cancer
tacit solstice
Ask for externals? tbh i had to issue at all. like it hurts but healers should be helping
sand kettle
other than that call for some heals, maybe even a BoP?
tacit solstice
hardest bit is during winds with the 2 stacks
old night
^^
ionic fern
@sand kettle no..bleeds ignore armor
sand kettle
I haven't done it on Mythic at all so if that's what you're on Im not much help
old night
I can get through it, we have been hitting akunda solo consistently for about 6 pulls. They're going down but yeah, those two claws during winds. Big oof
@sand kettle imagine someone punching you in the dick. its kinda like that.
tacit solstice
external / shield wall there is good
sand kettle
Yeah I imagine you just need to shield wall there
or like Pain Supp
Does BoP remove it?
call your Hpal
jade holly
It doesn't anymore
old night
id rather not bop and lose aggro
sand kettle
You can taunt in BoP can't you?
ionic fern
Bop does not remove it
ionic fern
Only dwarf racials and engi helm as keef said.
old night
damn
I shouldn't have been as antsy to go thicc boi
oh well, at least I look cool
shield wall tho huh?
ionic fern
Shield wall and externals since that''s the only time you actually take damage jeo.
sand kettle
I think that + externals is your best bet
junior ivy
hi
ionic fern
Hi.
old night
thats a name i haven't seen around here in a while
old night
WTF WHY
daring marlin
cuz the monk didn’t wanna swap much
oblique garnet
Hi
old night
sounds like the monk is trash
junior ivy
hey @old night !
daring marlin
bop doesn’t remove the stacks
sand kettle
I figured it out, just get as much versatility as possible
old night
how the hell did you get through 4 stacks. I got 3 once on accident and it was absolutely horrendous
sand kettle
EZ GG
daring marlin
I felt pretty ok even at the fourth stack but I immediately cleared it.
old night
how?
old night
makes sense
thick glacier
daring marlin
there is none
austere oar
@old night I usually keep all my defensives for the 2 stacks dot phase, dont hesitate to ask vocally for your healers attention
and ask for externals, they are extremely handy in this fight for us
dusky sentinel
Good evening fellas. Does it say anywhere whats the best zandalari bonus for prot wars? Do we go for bwonsamdi or krag`wa or?
oblique garnet
not kragwa
steel mauve
i think popular choices were paku and bwonsamdi
steel mauve
or gonk if you really like the movespeed
neon tangle
@old night having and engineering dwarf for a co-tank makes that fight feel so silly
oblique garnet
(Disclaimer, sadbox is a dk)
neon tangle
I mean he’s a prot warrior and takes Kimbul
Stack up to 3, gives you plenty of chances for the eng helm to proc, reset back to 0 with stoneform, let it start again
austere oar
@dusky sentinel go Bwonsamdi for ST raid, Paku for m+
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel do you have a good shrine route
sick sentinel
timed a really relaxed 19 shrine today
ocean acorn
no
oblique garnet
I mean
ocean acorn
u just probably dont try to push
oblique garnet
Its not that much harder without rogue
ocean acorn
my comp was not meta
old night
Best I've done was a 14 one chest.
ocean acorn
it makes the healing easier on first boss
and shroud should save a good bit
we did warrior Hpriest Udk WW BM
i think we could do a 19 but we fucked up and bolstered the 5 pack really big and then got double bleed
was no bueno
halcyon fable
would you take Winds of War or Blood Siphon?
oblique garnet
Blood siphon
hollow thorn
@oblique garnet Tanking Keys with Pieces monkaS
oblique garnet
Who from pieces
hollow thorn
Just the GM and Officer
oblique garnet
Oh lumly?
oblique garnet
You joining pieces soon? 8)
hollow thorn
Nah
I felt like i was getting raped in Shrine
but my overall dmg taken was 12k per sec
which is like nothing
oblique garnet
Probably just not healing at all lmao
oblique garnet
I fucking hate when my teams shaman does that
Then once i call for healing hes late with it and i die
hollow thorn
think i did well considering i could do same healing on my 380 druid
We died to mobs b4 3rd boss
and i dc'd lsat boss
oblique garnet
Unlucky
full monolith
@old night
for conclave: just take 1st bleed, let dh dps take 2nd and other tank takes 3rd.
this why you only have 3 bleeds active instead of 2*2=4 when only rotating on tanks -> less healing needed overall
errant shuttle
this week on atal
do we want to pull the entire right wing?
or do u guys pull the 2 pakcs on the left
hollow thorn
nonoon
oblique garnet
Depends what you wanna do