protection

[narrow abyss]

Every time grong comes up

There’s bullfango flex 😂

[umbral forge]

Consider the Ferdinand clause for a second there Bullfango

[modern brook]

I dont have much man

[ionic fern]

Don't intercept your co-tank tho since he will get smacked by the impact as well @young harbor

[narrow abyss]

I’d do the same thing

[young harbor]

hahaha, yeah good call

[ionic fern]

On progress i'd generally just get thrown the normal way to not confuse people.

[modern brook]

Wait so who do you charge?

[ionic fern]

I ended up leaping a bit further behind my co-tank

[young harbor]

someone back to the group i assume to reduce the travel time

[umbral forge]

That one guy you don't like

[young harbor]

hahaa

[modern brook]

I have a raid full of those

[young harbor]

focus intercept a clown in the raid

[umbral forge]

But you pretend to be nice to

[ionic fern]

So i diddn't intervene..but leap.

[young harbor]

great ideas all around

[narrow abyss]

I exploded every time I tried the tank intervene thing

[modern brook]

Oh so you leap out, then intrevene in?

[narrow abyss]

But it was early prog so idk if I had two bleeds or something

[ionic fern]

Intercept* damn english.

[umbral forge]

Wait.
What if you leap away.
Then during your leap you intercept Grong?!

[ionic fern]

I get picked up..i smash my Leap key as much as i can near my co-tank but not on him..land on the leap spot..charge back in

Might not even need to charge back in since it's so close. : p

https://www.twitch.tv/mauhi/clip/EphemeralSoftSnakeDeIlluminati

Think that should be the leap one

I was messing around with it yesterday

[umbral forge]

Very nice

[modern brook]

Wow

alliance have such a better arena for that fight

[ionic fern]

😂

[modern brook]

so the key thing to note though is that the impact damage is still centered on you

not the target

[ionic fern]

Jep. You still take the dmg.

And the stun as well.

[modern brook]

So as longa s you're not leaping on people you should be fine with it

[ionic fern]

Side note tho..in case you are the tank getting thrown all the time and want to leap every single one of them you are going to have to take Bounding Stride for the reduced leap CD.

[sick sentinel]

you should be taking Bounding stride in raids anyway IMO

[ionic fern]

🤷

I've not used it for anything other than that.

[umbral forge]

...i never go with anything else.
Heroic Leap is why im a Prot Warrior and not another Tank

[sick sentinel]

I would go with crackling thunder on opulence

to pad

but that's it

[ionic fern]

Idk, where else would i leap that often?

[oak ice]

Rastakhan/Mekka

[oblique garnet]

not really

[ionic fern]

Generally for our strats/kills i haven't ever needed the lower CD on leap.

But nothing wrong in taking it.

[red wedge]

Leap on Conclave is useful for positioning

ESpecially for putting akunda thunder outside of winds, and leaping in

[sick sentinel]

but it has more potential use than crackling

[dusk locust]

on conclave we swap by changing positions ourselves rather than having the bosses cross, so i leap a fair amount

[ionic fern]

Idk, i only leap once every bird on Conclave

[red wedge]

We had our timing down good enough that the couple seconds of crossing didn't matter

[ionic fern]

We tank the bosses pretty much next to eachother tho so..

[red wedge]

Yea. Same. For eyebeam cleave. My DHs were bitching at me for a bit when we tanked a bit away from each other. 😛

[dusk locust]

yeah it doesn't matter too much, but i like keeping the bosses still in case people have some ground effect under the boss we're targeting

[oblique garnet]

🤔 eyebeam cleave

[red wedge]

helps with cd they said

idk, though.. know nothing about dhs

[oblique garnet]

dont think so

[astral path]

Is the blockades trinket any good for prot nowadays? I'm a filthy casual so not able to raid much for those trinkets...and I have no good RNG for Jes's Howler or any other good m+ one...

[red wedge]

maybe they just wanted to pad.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic fern]

Doesn't show on logs for DPS afaik.

[oblique garnet]

^

[red wedge]

it didnt hurt anyone else for me to tank closer, so i didnt care

[astral path]

Or is blockades a waste of money and I should just keep trying for better ones?

[red wedge]

it wouldn't surprise me if they lied.. my DHs are all meter whores

[oblique garnet]

at this point

blockades is waste of money

[ionic fern]

^

[astral path]

Alrighty ty

[umbral forge]

@red wedge just ask the havoc discord

[red wedge]

oh, i dont care if it's true or not.

[tidal scarab]

@red wedge That's just for pure dps with EB, it doesn't lower CD

[red wedge]

i was just talkign about tank positioning.

yea. /shrug

[warped adder]

Can tell you that they just lied to you .. there is no such thing as EB cd reduction when you hit more target they just wanted to cleave

[red wedge]

oh well

life goes on. haha

[warped adder]

This was a thing back in legion when havoc used to have lego head

[modern brook]

Wow

ur telling me dh's are lying to tanks to pad in game meters

:shocked pikachu face:

[red wedge]

lol

[chrome falcon]

@oblique garnet @primal crypt you there fellas? what are we thinking in these time trials keys

are we running devastator for explosive? it was so good in legion

[primal crypt]

Nah

You dont want to run deva

[oblique garnet]

the keys are out?

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/433d46100029541f1b25b37f5b1cbfd6

[primal crypt]

And my team is out

They cant commit the time

[umbral forge]

F

[chrome falcon]

ah that sucks friend

at least you don't have to grind out this BURSTING TYRANNICAL KR

[primal crypt]

But that ol switcheroo

They said time trials were 15s

Now they're 18s

[chrome falcon]

apparently they never said that

[primal crypt]

F

[chrome falcon]

i never found confirmation that they had

[knotty wagon]

Those mods

Look soft af

[tidal scarab]

Raging forti together

[chrome falcon]

they're super easy

[tidal scarab]

ARe they retarded

[chrome falcon]

raging isn't an affix

everyone is running druids

[knotty wagon]

Those mods all look

Like they are fu king ezaf

[tidal scarab]

Oh I'm sorry, forgot you can mass soothe

[chrome falcon]

what mob are you scared of in atal'dazar

[hollow thorn]

Honor Guards

[chrome falcon]

tip: it's the single honor guard per pack, which you just soothe

[tidal scarab]

It's a time trial ok

[jovial haven]

got 410 boots on my warrior from voldun emissary this morning before work putting him at 400 ilvl finally with shitty 370&375 trinkets

[hollow thorn]

Middle pack (which u should be pulling for time trials)

[primal crypt]

Underrot wont matter

[lime mantle]

Honor guards

[primal crypt]

Thats a free key

[chrome falcon]

that underrot is hilariously easy

[primal crypt]

Kings rest with bursting wont matter hardly

That's another freebie

[oblique garnet]

wait the time trials have been announced?

like

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/433d46100029541f1b25b37f5b1cbfd6 @oblique garnet

[tidal scarab]

Like if you think that combo in AD is easy, it's because raging forti doesn't exist on live for obvious reasons

[oblique garnet]

its live

[knotty wagon]

I mean those are gonna be crazy speedkeys

[oblique garnet]

on TR?

[primal crypt]

Atal just need to be careful on saurids

Gg

[knotty wagon]

Like pull half the fucking dungeon kinds keys

[hollow thorn]

Saurids will be a healer nightmare

[knotty wagon]

Sanguine volcanic

[chrome falcon]

Saurids will be pretty gross i'll allow that

[knotty wagon]

Like ???

[primal crypt]

Slow down points are saurids in atal

And minions with bursting in Kr

Thats it

Everything else is vanilla and pull fast

[chrome falcon]

minions probably don't trigger bursting anymore

blobby boys in 2nd boss room though

[opal peak]

They do

[primal crypt]

Then even more of a joke

[tidal scarab]

They trigger bolstering

[hollow thorn]

If u wanna get good time in UR, u get a combo of Rogue DH and WW and gigablast

[tidal scarab]

So they should

[opal peak]

Or well ya that^

[primal crypt]

Yup, UR is about to be the new 8 min dungeon

[hollow thorn]

There has been no announcement of any bursting changes

dont spread wrong info

Only bolstering has been changed

[tidal scarab]

There has though

It was in the changes of on death affixes

Bursting is a on death affix

[hollow thorn]

It is not confirmed 🤷

[chrome falcon]

^

Yes it is hahahaha

[umbral forge]

It absolutely is

[oblique garnet]

bursting is on death affix

[chrome falcon]

Also, I did say probably considering there hasn't been any bursting on live since the change

[tidal scarab]

Basically anything that you don't see reap anymore

Won't trigger on death affixes

[primal crypt]

Either way, good luck to everyone competing

[hollow thorn]

Legit havnt seen that anyhwere, but thats nice

[primal crypt]

Get into the top 8 and you're gg

[umbral forge]

So auto hammers bolster?

[chrome falcon]

@primal crypt FeelsEUMan, we got like 20th last time which would have been 9th NA

[primal crypt]

These turbo nerds are about to slaughter the masses lmao

[sick sentinel]

auto hammers come with reaping I know that much

[chrome falcon]

I'm just glad that we can't go infinite tries anymore

[primal crypt]

I saw the tweets they put out, they've all been off work since TR released

[oblique garnet]

yeah i think im out aswell 😦

[fast kiln]

anyone has cancelaura makro ready for jaina so i dont have to do it myself? :>

[chrome falcon]

I will carry your ambitions on my back, friends

[tidal scarab]

@oblique garnet Wait what? As in the item you put down yourself or am I missing something?

[fast kiln]

*and would like to share

[umbral forge]

Yes

[primal crypt]

Wait....auto hammer reap lmao

[umbral forge]

Auto hammers reap

[chrome falcon]

We actually have the fully busted comp, prot warrior rdruid monk/rogue and then a dh/frost mage

So i'm moderately optimistic

[primal crypt]

This is way beyond busted comp

[umbral forge]

I'm curious if they procc bursting.
I know they shouldn't but I also know this game is spagetti code

[primal crypt]

These mongos will be pulling 1 tank 4 dps

Especially on the atal

[lime mantle]

Remember if you get on camera get a pump before so you can walk around with the irl version of avatar

[chrome falcon]

I have no idea how you pull that off in atal dude

raging fort honour guards

[primal crypt]

Can stun/slow kite

And skip all but one

[tidal scarab]

But melee get the dot then

[primal crypt]

Explosives keep you healthy

[tidal scarab]

Kind a hurts

[chrome falcon]

oh fuck you're right i don't need a healer at all in the AD

[primal crypt]

Ive seen the streamers already pull it off memeing

[opal peak]

These also aren’t 20 keys

[chrome falcon]

wait here's the GIGABRAIN strat

[lime mantle]

@primal crypt explosives?

[primal crypt]

Im pretty sure theyve tested already lmao

[oblique garnet]

Nope doesnt work

[chrome falcon]

4 dps with 3x vampiric speed 3x endless hunger

[oblique garnet]

raging fort

will fuck you

[chrome falcon]

yeah that's kinda what i thought it seems unreal hard

[tidal scarab]

I feel like people are really underestimating that combo

[primal crypt]

BUT LEECH @oblique garnet

KEK

[sick sentinel]

leech on TR PepeHands

[chrome falcon]

yeah just bring a BDK and make him pop artifact lmao

easy

[primal crypt]

pepehands

Anyway, the TR is about to be lit

[chrome falcon]

i wish we had some warning on this so i could work off

i work 8 hour shifts both weekend days

[primal crypt]

5 chances

[sick sentinel]

underrot is going to be blaster town btw

[primal crypt]

Unless!

Someone gets one shot on first boss

The minute you wipe once, F

[opal peak]

If ur going for mdi

[sick sentinel]

if you die to first boss of underrot

you are bad

[opal peak]

And get blasted on first boss

What r u doing

[lime mantle]

Only the boss gets one shot Tips SD

[primal crypt]

it happens lmao

People derp on interrupts

Lmaoooo

[sick sentinel]

...

[primal crypt]

That one brain fart

And oops, rip time trials lul

Im not talking about the top teams

Im talking about groups like mine xD

We get the high keys, but boi do we struggle bus

[opal peak]

Lol rip

[primal crypt]

Lol

[opal peak]

That’s y u have 5 tries

4Head

[lime mantle]

Just know your team irl and whip them.
Also at least you have high key team ;;

[primal crypt]

Oh I whip them

We've done this shit over and over

And still, oh shit was that my kick?

...

I tunneled, Im sorry

[sick sentinel]

well that's why

[chrome falcon]

i raid lead so people know that if they miss interrupts in my keys i will actually just sit them for jaina progress

[sick sentinel]

you have a guy

[chrome falcon]

it's great fun

[sick sentinel]

that calls all the important interrupts

[primal crypt]

We do

People still tunnel sometimes

Literal slow brain

[chrome falcon]

tanking is so easy these days so we are basically just RLs for dungeons now

micromanaging everyone's abilities and stuff is pretty fun

[sick sentinel]

basically yeah

[opal peak]

Man thanks for making me feel terribad

PepeHands

[sick sentinel]

??

[chrome falcon]

i'm sorry friend

to be fair when you no life this game for 11 years everything feels easy don't feel bad

[opal peak]

Man I got too much to focus on to lead full rl dungeons

I’m a bad interrupt man

[chrome falcon]

do you have the weakaura?

[opal peak]

Ya

[heavy chasm]

Which WA?

[opal peak]

But bad at keeping track

[heavy chasm]

I've been doing it manually like a pleb

[chrome falcon]

you just need to play so much prot warrior that you can do it blindfolded, then you can focus on what everyone else is doing

@heavy chasm the one that shows your group's interrupt CDs

[opal peak]

Man I don’t even do interrupts on my brew

Lol

[sick sentinel]

see I was playing prot since bfa launch so I could RL dungeons in 8.1

big brain

[modern brook]

^

That was my play tbh

[opal peak]

I smol brain tank

[heavy chasm]

Just have the exact same binds for every single character

[opal peak]

Big brain healer

[primal crypt]

I linked the keys to my teammates

[modern brook]

@heavy chasm i did that by my GL got mad at me rolling on all the shields on my rogue

[primal crypt]

One responds with, oh it's reaping not infested?

[modern brook]

I told her i cant SS until i get one

[primal crypt]

/facepalm

I still cant tell if trolling or not

[opal peak]

Wtf

[heavy chasm]

I said key binds you ape @modern brook haha

[sick sentinel]

see that ERT on the left? I call for every single one of these things except tranq

[modern brook]

yam how come im not on ur team?

3 rogues 👀

[primal crypt]

Because you ghosted me

[modern brook]

BITCH 😠

[primal crypt]

HA

[modern brook]

i did no such thing

[heavy chasm]

Ima level my rogue up for my dls itch

[primal crypt]

You rog was an infant t the time

[opal peak]

Ya I think I wanna tweak my m+ ui

[primal crypt]

An inkling of an idea

[modern brook]

As an aside; I've been trying to pug 15s for the acheivement - and like doing 200k more damage than anyone else in the key and then getting tidal core and everyone else got 420 weapons

really fucking triggered me

[opal peak]

Take cc off of party frames and have it as ert bars

[modern brook]

almost as bad as the rogue i tanked for that refused to do mechanics

[daring marlin]

TFW your friends can't do more damage than you in M+

[modern brook]

and still hada higher score than me

[daring marlin]

and they wanna still do higher M+ with you

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[modern brook]

Big Z; tbh

[daring marlin]

also WM is so fucking ez now with maggots not bolstering lololol

[modern brook]

I'm at this weird cross roads in my M+ career

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt raging fortified is actually disgusting

[opal peak]

How so

[modern brook]

where i hate pug tanks, and half my guilds tanks arent geared/ mentally prepared for keys

[oblique garnet]

like no joke

[modern brook]

but if im not on rogue we dont have one and the keys are scuffed anyways

[opal peak]

I’d say I got u

But idk if I’m mentally prepared

4Head

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet yeah, 18 raging on just a couple mobs

[modern brook]

Oof

[primal crypt]

Raging merciless assault

Accidently hits 4 people

[modern brook]

@opal peak i just mean like; dont know skips; guess their route; dont understand mechanics etc

[opal peak]

Fair

I’m getting better at not being a bad with yoloing route

There were a few dungeons I cba doing

[modern brook]

its frustrating cause i really enjoy keys and he phrase" I dont have to understand it ill just follow u" is said way too much

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt nono thats not it

everything

in atal

that goes raging

[neon tangle]

Tbh you can yolo a lot more in s2

[oblique garnet]

will rage

[analog swift]

I feel you bull

[oblique garnet]

like theres so many deadly mobs in atal

[formal spindle]

what u guys think about my stats , is they okay or ? just kinda new to prot , always been a main alt , but not played it much in bfa before now , mained bm monk in uldir ^^

[analog swift]

I want to push keys with guildies who are all pretty good but won’t take 20 minutes to make a decent route we can use from then on

[opal peak]

More like freehold Bc so many mobs it wasn’t hard to just get % and Waycrest Bc never wanted to deal with diff routes lol I just knew generally what to pull to get %

[analog swift]

Awful stats

[sick sentinel]

if that is your highest ilvl gear

then your are fine

[analog swift]

Should probably just re rolll tbh

[sick sentinel]

you always prefer higher ilvl

[opal peak]

I feel like that was supposed to be awful strats instead of stats

But idk

[sick sentinel]

if you are comparing 2 items of the same ilvl then you go with the one that has the most haste

[opal peak]

Oh nvm

Missed pic

I’m so bad this morning

[analog swift]

Every person who asks that without looking at pins gets a snark answer from me tbh

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt i did some testing in TR on ragin fort fh

on an 18

[neon tangle]

@opal peak Waycrest is great, I always just pull the minimum amount of mobs that I can and head through the dungeon

[modern brook]

I literally have to make a route on a dungeon-by dungeon basis

[oblique garnet]

even double pack will be deadly enough

[neon tangle]

And then teleport back up and finish %

[modern brook]

becuase i cant get a group of consistent classes >.>

[analog swift]

Just did a wc 17 last night oh god

Yeah I hate that. My guildies are decent some just going past 1.4K now

But like there’s a reason my best keys are with pugs

[modern brook]

same tbh

on ez weeks like last my guild was great

timing progression keys is nice

this week though im probably just pugging everything / playing with @lusty grotto

[analog swift]

Like they get pissed. Last Monday with some jerk off pug group of double monk hunter rogue and tank I added 160 points to my io

[opal peak]

I have 2 groups with my guild, one is a bit better than the other but neither are bad thankfully

[analog swift]

They aren’t bad per se

Just rough cuz you want to do more content and put it more work

Coincidentally just stepped down from guild/raid lead because I want to join a real prog guild and don’t want to chase down people to do their fucking tens every week

[opal peak]

The problem with 1 is the hate of pugging and wanting to grab Guilfoil’s first even when there are no decent m+ guildies on

[neon tangle]

@modern brook there’s 2 other dps from my guild who are getting better and we’re pugging 15+ keys

[hidden crown]

Is there a way to generate new stat weights to plug into pawn from the spreadsheet?

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet looking through mdt right now

[opal peak]

So they wanna take people that do like 12s to 18s

[primal crypt]

Trying to imagine the raging boys

[modern brook]

@hidden crown dont trust stat weights, trust pawn even less

[oblique garnet]

Raging venomblast even if one goes off

[primal crypt]

Anything that might potentially one shot

[oblique garnet]

will oneshot

[primal crypt]

LMAO

[modern brook]

gear with ilvl>haste and you'll be fine

[oblique garnet]

Raging shieldbash does 140k through block

[primal crypt]

sorry, this whole time

[hidden crown]

Ok thanks.

[primal crypt]

I thought they were all tyrannical

Jesus

[oblique garnet]

yeah

exactly

its

[magic light]

Hey guys! Qualified for the tournament realm but have very little experience with prot warrior, especially gearing wise. Has any of you made a "full bis" prot warrior there? 😄

[primal crypt]

LMAO fort atal

[analog swift]

Pretty much haste

Then either mastery for physical damage or versatility for magic

[modern brook]

@magic light are you looking for gear for the 3 time trial dungeons>

[primal crypt]

^

[magic light]

i have 2 deafening crashes 2 bastions 1 blood sport and 1 iron fortress

Atm just looking for a great overall set

that i could maybe then tweak

[oblique garnet]

Overall gear set

[magic light]

I doubt that i'll be able to play my main for the trials, gotta learn prot 😄

[oblique garnet]

crit performs the best in physical dungeons

[analog swift]

For traits I’d probably make a build of 3xBoM/3Xdc (maybe one IF)

[primal crypt]

Like, there's so much

But so little time

Lol

xD

[magic light]

can give up on bloodsport?

[modern brook]

3x bom 1dc is your starting point

[analog swift]

Yeah

[modern brook]

your remaining 2 is dungeon centric

CR and BS wont be ran for the time trials

[analog swift]

I’d probably give up bs for the physical dungeons

[modern brook]

IF/BFI def better than them

[analog swift]

Yeah

[magic light]

sorry, BFI is? 😄

stats looking like this atm

[analog swift]

I’m super partial to the engineering helm

[primal crypt]

Oh no

[magic light]

5x fray

[modern brook]

Haste>crit>mast>verse for stat prio for i think all 3

MAybe verse >mast in UR?

[primal crypt]

You need us to build your full set?

Like from scratch?

[magic light]

I didn't want to ask that much

but maybe my stats are all over the place

[primal crypt]

Bull might do it for you

[modern brook]

😠

[magic light]

oh ❤

[modern brook]

fuck u yam

[magic light]

would be thankful 😄

[primal crypt]

LOL

He's going to win the MDI

[magic light]

cause with traits I can get a good idea

[oblique garnet]

yamo

[primal crypt]

So i trust him

[magic light]

stats are harder to evaluate

[modern brook]

damn dude

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet sup

[oblique garnet]

i cant participate with 90% chance

[modern brook]

wtf did i do to u yam

[oblique garnet]

my healer doesnt come back from holiday till monday

[steel mauve]

Part of playing this game is kind of being able to play your class as well

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet that's F

[oblique garnet]

its over

[magic light]

It's either this or going VDH like on live :^)

[primal crypt]

My third dps went to play PoE

[modern brook]

Yikers

[magic light]

and feel like i'm sandbagging my team 😄

[primal crypt]

@modern brook it's because I like you :)

[modern brook]

I'd be more concerned with your rotation rather than your gear

prot gearing is very simple

[primal crypt]

You good guy

[modern brook]

3 bom 1 dc will cary you

[magic light]

I think I got that down atm

did some 3-4 dungeons to test

[oblique garnet]

@magic light You go to the vendor for atal you might wanna buy haste/vers set pieces, for UR crit/haste same with kr

[magic light]

I mean

could always improve further, but i'm slowly getting there ^^

[primal crypt]

@magic light you gonna need to step it up

[magic light]

Got it!

[primal crypt]

Three 18 keys

[magic light]

Should I look for a little bit of mastery on the gear or just give it up entirely?

[primal crypt]

Are a little difficult to prepare for right away

[magic light]

since 3 Bastion

[oblique garnet]

youre gonna go 3 bastion you dont need any mastery on your gear

[modern brook]

haste crit OP

especially in KR

[oblique garnet]

For atal you go 3xBoM 2x BloodSport 1 Dc

[modern brook]

ESPECIALLY on tyr kr

if you can parry the punch 😮

[primal crypt]

Safeko actually has the haste crit dream on live

[modern brook]

2 bs in atal, really?

[oblique garnet]

For the rest you go with 3x BoM 3x DC

[primal crypt]

Atal is going to decimate

[magic light]

like this atm. ignore the bloodrite, was a test

trinket wise, what do you think?

[analog swift]

As an aside. I did some simming of a meme build. Instead of 3x bom/dc. Taking 2x bom 1 bfi 2x reckless flurry 1x dc and devastator was a 7% increase to ST dps

[magic light]

prism is staple?

[analog swift]

I know simming is a bit wack but it should be pretty much the same

[modern brook]

@analog swift why are you simming half-meme builds

[primal crypt]

@analog swift but all that matters is overall

And we need to have defensives

[modern brook]

3bfi 3rf +dev

thats ur sim

[analog swift]

Just summed the gear I had

[primal crypt]

Cant go full mongo at all xD

Especially no ST builds

[oblique garnet]

trinkets you want prism + anchor combo for atal

[primal crypt]

This aint no raid lul

[analog swift]

Bom summer higher than bfi interestingly enough

[oblique garnet]

rest gore + anchor

[analog swift]

Simmed*

[modern brook]

actually unsurprsied by that tbh

Dev is less resets on ss

[analog swift]

Yeah so I grabbed a dc

Because you still want that nutty avatar window

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt the honorguard bleed tick on fort + raging is just gonna make you a new one

[modern brook]

its true; avatar is why i play warrior

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet ahahahaha

And we have no engi helm

[analog swift]

It’s so good tho

Atleast for M+

[magic light]

would you rank azerite veins highly?

[oblique garnet]

no

[modern brook]

its like a B tier middle ring, iimo

[oblique garnet]

too unreliable

[modern brook]

its a lot of healing, if you get it when u need it

what late said basically

[magic light]

3 bastion starting point?

[narrow abyss]

1 dc starting point

Then as much BOM as u can

Rest is making do with what u got and personal preference between BFI/IF/BS and I guess CR

[oblique garnet]

this is talking tr @narrow abyss

[narrow abyss]

Ooooooo

Nvm then!

[magic light]

i'm gonna copy paste every tip that was written before

[modern brook]

please dont

[magic light]

stat and azerite prior for each dungeon was great 😄

[oblique garnet]

big brain gear composition but cant use it myself feelsbadman

[jovial haven]

that joys of rng lol

[pallid roost]

Which prot guide should I look to, wowhead or icy veins?

Or does it not matter?

[quartz pond]

icy veins probably better

[modern brook]

both are updated

[pallid roost]

Ok thanks for the info 👍

[plucky granite]

Hey guys, i am new to tanking ( played for a week now, only m+ and managed to start tanking around +8 keys with not that much of a problem ) i only do m+ in WoW, and because i am new to tanking i was wondering how you guys sim trinkets especially for protection, a bit confused because i am certain that the simming only shows which trinket gives you more dmg, but in this case isn't survival trinket better than a dmg dealer one as a tank ? So how do you sim trinkets correctly ? Damage dealing vs survivability

[heavy chasm]

Comes down to familiarity really.

[brisk ferry]

you can only sim for DPS

[winter aspen]

You want those that give both

[heavy chasm]

Getting exposed to different difficulties and comps will help you determine what trinket/balance of dps vs survival you want to run

[winter aspen]

= rezan, block, alchemist stone etc

[plucky granite]

For example i had 380 [Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block] and i just got 390 [Lingering Sporepods], thats where i started asking myself this

[winter aspen]

Only defensive or only offensive options kinda suck

[brisk ferry]

sporepods are trash

[sand egret]

To be perfectly honest, if you're new to tanking your head should first be at executing Prot effectively. After that I'd worry about simming to optimize dps (since you can't sim for survival, which is our prime directive as a tank). But that's just my hot take

no trinket will compensate for poor play

[winter aspen]

Nothing will actually

[sand egret]

I say that as "simming" in the Prot sense somewhat assumes optimal play

[primal crypt]

You know what trait Im starting to dislike

[sand egret]

BoM

YOU'RE GOING TO SAY IT

[primal crypt]

Bulwark of masses

Lol not bom

Never bom

[sand egret]

Bulwark of Masses

B...o...M

[open bluff]

Bulwark of masses is still bom

[sand egret]

you kinda did

[fast kiln]

btw zanda racial - 4% crit yay?

[primal crypt]

[plucky granite]

Thanks for your help

[primal crypt]

Bulwark has been irkin me a lot

[sand egret]

didn't mean to sound like a dick @plucky granite , just want to prevent a common mistake I see new tank players make. Getting caught up in the rhetoric surrounding tanking (meme's, simming, "BiS", trash tier, yada yada), before actually building a strong foundation of why these conversations are brought up in the first place.

without it you get people asking "should I enchant Leech?" I saw (insert high prot streamer here) do it?

[plucky granite]

Ye i know what you meant, so far i am liking tanking as it is my first time and a really challenging one, keeps my interest in the game, i got sick of being a dps as a havoc, 3button rotation all the time it just gets boring. Tanking is new to me so i never thought about the trinket situation in that way so i thought i would ask here

[vocal skiff]

Imagine the following scenario: you have 2 minutes in the clock to time a WM13. Tried to skip the last horrors before golak tul (already had reaping 5), but failed and aggro. Do you engage them with boss and risk bolstering, or do you kill them and try to kill boss later? Keep in mind that BL was up

[sand egret]

well the mantra with trinkets is generally answering the question "do you need the survival?"

[vocal skiff]

I just went through it and I feel like I made the wrong call, after the "gogogo" pressure lol

[sand egret]

and being able to answer that question comes with familiarity of the content you're doing

this is why you see most of us not using full survival setups because we know what we can get away with, feel me?

[willow scarab]

Hey guys I jsut got this, is it any good?

[sand egret]

gtfo

[vocal skiff]

omg

[signal plover]

No u should shard that

[sand egret]

SCRAP IT

[open bluff]

No, send it to me for proper disposal

[willow scarab]

200 keys no usable trinkets

Then I did an AD sale

I got paid 30k to loot that trinket

[sand egret]

@vocal skiff even one or two bolstering on the boss is going to skyrocket your timer

[willow scarab]

Sorry to interrupt

[vocal skiff]

Yeah, people cleaved the boss with the adds

2 bolsterings

gg

[sand egret]

depending on when those occurred

[plucky granite]

@sand egret Thx

[vocal skiff]

50-60% of the boss hp

[sand egret]

yeah...

[signal plover]

Tbh with that much time remaining on a 13 you'd have been against the timer wall either way

Even on a fort week

[vocal skiff]

Yeah, we spent a lot of time with the pack right before lord and lady waycrest

[signal plover]

But the bolstering def not worth

[sand egret]

bolstering a boss is just adding hundreds of thousands if not a million(s) of hp

[vocal skiff]

bolstered a witch with 5-6

Healer had to drink and ress

[sand egret]

shit gets real bad when you compound it with higher key scaling

[primal sable]

So

How do you do zul in KR this week

Inb4 you dont

[signal plover]

Hero

[opal peak]

rotate CDs

and externals

[dusty tusk]

Bring his hp to 0

[sand egret]

hero, cds, kite strat or utilize your group comp

[primal sable]

What kite strat

[willow scarab]

What blade said

[signal plover]

Prio IP

[willow scarab]

Hero especially

[sand egret]

his bolt has a 30 yard range

you can leap and run like a mofo at the end

[opal peak]

if u have a dps that can help - use it, let them taunt and use immunity or something

[sand egret]

maybe it's 40? either way, it's got a range

[willow scarab]

This week easier than last week imo

[dusty tusk]

Its skittish, i wouldnt "kite"

[willow scarab]

for zul

[sand egret]

yeah I utilize my DK friend

[primal sable]

I thought he'd just tingle one of my guys' butt if i outrange

[sand egret]

taunt + ams

[willow scarab]

I utilize a bres

[sand egret]

takes a few bolts. Brez works

[primal crypt]

Bres is cleanest

Just make sure you get all your cds down before dying though

[quartz pond]

I just used healthstone health pot last stand demo twice and shield wall

[sand egret]

i wouldn't be surprised if a DH in meta + blur can tank a few

[quartz pond]

just rotate those properly

and u kill zul

[primal crypt]

Also just kill him

And you wont die

[opal peak]

4Head

[sand egret]

it's a race at the end of the day lol

so its really up to your dps to pull it off

[primal crypt]

Or kill him but you will die

Either way, just kill him

And get the bres for reaping

Because yeah

[opal peak]

wha

just dont reap

[primal crypt]

Nah, reap into boss

Go extra ham

[sand egret]

Reap into boss?

That's a paddin'

[primal sable]

Hm

[primal crypt]

Reap into boss

Get more damooj

[primal sable]

I think i'll just skip m+ this week

[opal peak]

lol

i tried a KR and we just got cucked in hallway after 2nd boss 😦 no chance to die by zul

PepeHands

imagine interrupting casts LUL

[sand egret]

I haven't hit my M+ for the week, but I'm dreading it on my other 2 tanks

[opal peak]

i've done a 17 and 19 TD which were real ez - then we failed the 20 TD lol and a very close but timed 19 freehold which wasn't too bad, just a few oopsies

[atomic copper]

does anyone tank with https://www.wowhead.com/item=165928/eternal-alchemist-stone#created-by-spell , and if so is it worth using? i see a lot of higher tanks using it but want to check before crafting

[sand egret]

it's solid

[opal peak]

TD is real ez - the only iffy part is pack b4 jes

[sand egret]

~1 ppm on a good str prc

[sand egret]

even more value if you actively use Potions (afaik it works with Healthstones)

[primal crypt]

It's solid

[opal peak]

😡 yam gimme that diamond

[sand egret]

seriously

[primal crypt]

Prob one of my favorite trinkets

[sand egret]

sup with these tease posts today

[opal peak]

thankfully i got it on our last mythic reclear b4 extending on my monk even tho base

[primal crypt]

Tease post?

Wat

[opal peak]

i have to farm for heroic TF on my war 😦

[primal crypt]

Wat tease post

[sand egret]

you and your 425 trinket

[primal crypt]

Ohhhhhhh

That thing

I was linking alch trinket

[tropic star]

grong dropped a 425 socketed mace this wek

[sand egret]

or The Warrior Formerly Known as Mactier's Rezan at 425

[opal peak]

TFW u prob wont ever do mythic on ur warrior and need to hope for real Pog heroic tf / chest tf

[sand egret]

just waiting on that 425 anchor SS

[primal crypt]

Wait a minute @willow scarab fumis mactier??

[sand egret]

same icon

i'm guessing?

[primal crypt]

Iono

[sand egret]

i can't keep up with this shit

i know how to test this....

ahem

"How good is PARRY?!"

[atomic copper]

am currently using 405 prism and a 425 ancient tuskars so i was making sure it will beat the prism if used

[sand egret]

YOU GOT A 425 TUSKARS?!

i hate everyone

[opal peak]

lmao

[atomic copper]

sorry , had to post after you said it

[opal peak]

if it makes u feel better i have no 425 trinkets on any of my guys

[sand egret]

with a socket

[opal peak]

the socket

LUL

[sand egret]

i mean this with all respect

fuck you

i love that trinket

[opal peak]

man heck my 420 vial 😦 not even a socket

[sand egret]

it's up like 40% of the time if not more

[magic light]

What race would u guys recommend for m+? TR in specific

i'll prolly use belf for underrot

[opal peak]

NE

[magic light]

for not sure about atal or KR

[heavy chasm]

I'm going to replace your cerial with glass shards and gasoline. Because I'm jelly of your luck

[worthy dagger]

KT all the wya

punch punch

[atomic copper]

@sand egret lol, non taken, but thanks for the help on the alch trinket

[astral crystal]

Lmao that tuskarr charm

Cursed image

[sand egret]

that's actually bananas

[astral crystal]

What’s the ppm on that

[sand egret]

those tier of trinkets have such insane stat weights....

its like 2+

it's up ALL the time

[astral crystal]

Oh that’s not bad then

[sand egret]

i had a 385 one that I was constantly seeing 40+% uptime

[atomic copper]

about 3-4 a minute at 7 sec a proc

[astral crystal]

I remember way back early in bfa I tried it for a bit and it was pretty underwhelming

It that seems bug

Big

[sand egret]

yeah it's reallly nice

those trinkets are just nutso weighted so getting a freak TF like that probably puts it at potentially BiS status imho

like the haste proc one is basically just superior rezan's

[worthy dagger]

i have bad luck, i have a 425 socket red button 😦

out of all the trinkets

[brave mauve]

oof

[sick sentinel]

410 servant splitter or 410 sharkbait fishook

[opal peak]

man where tf are my 425 socketed trinkets

[worthy dagger]

lots of m+

[modern brook]

how many ppm is on tuskar

202 verse sounds low

[worthy dagger]

3-4

[ivory light]

no 425 socketed trinks.... but 407 on a week old toon lmfao

with a 425 socketed avoid shield

[last mason]

is it bad if i take synaptic spark capacitor over rng on the ngi helm

engi

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel sharkbait

[last mason]

or does it not really matter

[modern brook]

RNG gives us haste

🤷

[worthy dagger]

eng helmet is crazy good

[modern brook]

SSC is probably better in ST if im remembering the trait correctly

RNG is just always good

[ivory light]

whats PPM on Rezan's?

[modern brook]

1

[ivory light]

kk

[last mason]

and personal absorbotron is better than the bleed one right

[modern brook]

its more consistent, yes

[ivory light]

Also, which Zandalari Loa are those of you that are zandalari using?

ive kept on paku just since default & not sure which would be most useful etc

[sick sentinel]

Akunda(Gonk/Bobsburger)

[opal peak]

wait

[opal peak]

425 socket shield

gtfo

[honest frigate]

Damn lucky

[sick sentinel]

I just like MS because I hate being slow

[honest frigate]

Still rocking my 400 no drop rip

[ivory light]

https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/malganis/Thorgul char might as well be 7 days old, was 363 and hadnt touched in months until last week

got super lucky lol

[opal peak]

i mean i got my war to like 405 in maybe 2-3 days, it isn't hard

but a shield like that

ffs

[ivory light]

oh yeah, i mean ive been smashin keys too. was doin 12s at 370 & havent stopped except to raid on main lol

[opal peak]

i need to pug more mythic raid on my war

but pugging into a decent group as a tank

[willow scarab]

@primal crypt idk who mactier is, i'm fumeiyo

[sand egret]

🤔

[candid tiger]

Any thoughts about loas for m+ already?

[sand egret]

paku/bwom

none really have a major advantage though

after all, you ain't picking a Blood Elf for the 1% crit

[modern brook]

@primal crypt for those videos can your closer just be "And remember not doing opener skips doesnt save time, even if you wipe"

cause uhhh

really fucking sick of missing timers by 2 mins because ppl are a fraid of skipping in case they wipe >.>

[sand egret]

that's your problem right there

[modern brook]

gonk gang for loa

[sand egret]

get people who aren't afraid

[modern brook]

I'm trying to get my 15 temple in this week

cause its fucking free

AS LONG AS YOU DO THE DOUBLE SHROUD

[opal peak]

lol

[sand egret]

doesn't sound free to me!

[modern brook]

and every pug is like `nah we'll just take the 3 hardest pulls on bolstering

[opal peak]

wait what is double skip? ramp and what's second? assuming it isn't the final ramp

[modern brook]

the double shroud at the start

You shroud pre-key like a pre-metamorph

[opal peak]

oh the full ramp

[modern brook]

then shroud again as the timer ends

[opal peak]

gotcha

[modern brook]

gives u ~18ish seconds of shroud

[opal peak]

ya imagine being afraid of wiping on first boss

on fort weeks

[modern brook]

which is the 3s u need to get past the mobs at the bottom of the stairs

[opal peak]

lol

[modern brook]

The only pack u should pull before first boss is the one at the start of that room

the previous 3 take like ~6 minutes on fort/bolster

[opal peak]

i imagine even that first pack is annoying bc there's the small dude

plus if u have bad timing on stalker and he comes late

[modern brook]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

Why r u going left and not right

It's literally easier

[sick sentinel]

Skipping the start is pointless

[dim kindle]

is this good?

[opal peak]

well right is the answer on teeming pretty sure

[modern brook]

y are u pulling things before 1st boss at all

with less adds overall even on teaming

[opal peak]

but ya

not skipping the whole ramp

[modern brook]

its literally easier just fucking skip thme its a waste of time

[opal peak]

is a mistake

like u need to skip something and that ramp is annoying no matter the week

[modern brook]

Every problem pull between start of dungeon and updated grave yard is before the first boss

[sick sentinel]

It's pointless on any week to skip the start, u lose nothing skipping the start

[worthy dagger]

3 bloodsports is the right azerite trait

almost 100k IP

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel its pointless on any week to not* skip the start?

[opal peak]

but like

what do u gain by not skipping

there is so much % in temple there is no reason to kill anything at the start

not saying i always skip that first 3 pack - but that's not bc it's better to do it, more likely someone not being comfortable with the pre-shroud bc they dont normally do it or something

[neon tangle]

@modern brook do you have a vod about that skip?

[modern brook]

I dont but its a lot easier than it sounds

you literally just shroud as u would pre-meta

then shroud again as soon as the barriers down

it pandemics itself

[neon tangle]

do you skip all the way down to the pack at the bottom of the stairs?

[modern brook]

You have to sap one of the shrouded fangs out of the hall way

and yeah it puts you on the stairs to the boss room with only that pack in the way

I can make a video later on

[neon tangle]

I would appreciate it if you did 😛

[modern brook]

sure Idk if im around tongiht, but i know my guild has a bunch of 12 templess

[primal crypt]

@modern brook like can opener?

[modern brook]

wtf did u just call me

[opal peak]

@neon tangle if u just look up a temple key on twitch/youtube chances are you'll see it

[modern brook]

^ true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hwz7GPNmas

He lets the shroud drop which is unnecessary and he also distracts which is also unnecessary

the first sap is technically unnecessary as well

But its a lot safer

and you lose nothing for doing it

[opal peak]

the # of times i've gotten stuck on that urn

lol

[modern brook]

lol

the big thing is the 2nd sap

[daring marlin]

jb and co alliance for mdi

omega

[exotic spoke]

Do AD keys exist at high levels 😦

[opal peak]

imagine not being alliance for mdi

[celest gate]

Why is meld so good?

[trail whale]

more skips

[opal peak]

allows for cheese/skips

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook it's pointless to skip the start of ToS, ur not going to 2 chest a ToS above a 15 with that shroud skip

[opal peak]

less need for rogues - removes significance of 5min shroud CD - can mess with stuff like the charge in KR on 3rd boss

[heavy chasm]

Inb4 shadow meld becomes unusable in mplus

[opal peak]

im curious how u come to that conclusion @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

It saves no times, it's rather pointless and unneeded

Because I've run ToS too many times

[fossil mountain]

I mean it clearly saves time

[heavy chasm]

Anytime not fighting saves time, plus if it's on CD immediately you can use it again...?

[celest gate]

You can also just invis spot

[heavy chasm]

Like waat?

[sick sentinel]

U learn very quickly what saves time and what doesn't

[opal peak]

i mean so what do u skip instead

[sick sentinel]

I skip the end only

[exotic spoke]

Nerdrage do you mean the second and third pack?

[fossil mountain]

I challange you to find a high key where they dont skip start

[celest gate]

??????

[opal peak]

do u not pull it at all?

[sick sentinel]

The beginning I pull right side

[opal peak]

no the last ramp

do u not pull that at all

[sick sentinel]

It's less time wasted e en with bolster

The 4 guys?

Or the ramp to the 4

[celest gate]

What keys levels are you doing?

[opal peak]

the 2 packs on the ramp

[sick sentinel]

15+

[exotic spoke]

My group kills the first pack, invis pots down the left side and skips the next two packs, then pulls the last pack at the very bottom of the stairs

[heavy chasm]

Okay.. but if your not interested in using the shroud within 6 minutes anyway what possible reason for jot skipping is there?

[opal peak]

u obvi have to kill the 4 at last boss

[exotic spoke]

Did it on a 19 Tuesday

[opal peak]

@sick sentinel do u do last reaping then?

[exotic spoke]

that, combined with skipping all trash after gauntlet (other than the 4 hexxers you need to kill to start the event) means you don’t have to do the last reaping

[celest gate]

Can you still pull trash with last boss buff?

[exotic spoke]

Yes, but as soon as the boss fight is over you lose it

[opal peak]

ideally u kill all the hexers but 1 until trash is about dead

and u just finish it off together

[analog swift]

Btw can you cc the stormcaler miniboss?

[exotic spoke]

That’s what we did. Pull the last trash once we got the buff and cleared a portion of it before we tried to kill everything else at once

[opal peak]

with bolstering u wanna avoid killing the trash until 3 hexers are head and last is kind of low

wouldnt wanna have a big boi hexer to take a ton of time

[exotic spoke]

Yup. But it’s not too bad either way.

I’m dreading our siege tonight. Wel the pack before the first boss

[analog swift]

Honestly I just do a 10 for the week

It’s just so rage inducing hoe much harder this week is compared to last

[exotic spoke]

This weeks pretty easy. 2 chested TD 17. Times temple 19

My group couldn’t do much last week and that made me sad

[analog swift]

Well td is super easy on fortified

And temple I’d say as well. Plus not that much to get bolstered

[exotic spoke]

I mean, true, but I think TD is probably the easiest overall

[analog swift]

Yeah if you canon correctly definitely

Did a wc 17

Got top right

Wanted to die

[sick sentinel]

@opal peak yes, at the very top of the ramp before the boss

Because u deal with maybe 1-3 lost souls

[exotic spoke]

Eh, feels like wasted time imo.

[heavy chasm]

The logic just doesnt work

[exotic spoke]

Why do that when you can skip two pulls and not deal with last reaping?

[vocal skiff]

Does the green oozes in KR's 2nd boss still bolster?

Do, rather*

[quick elk]

just quickie hopefully . have a choice between third DC trait or Callios reprisal . i heard DC hs high DR after the 1st one. so should go CR fr survival and DC for dmg right?

[sick sentinel]

The boss fight in ToS lasts anywhere bewtee 2-3 minutes, so if u keep that in mind u need to be heading to boss with at least 10-15 minutes after killing the 3rd boss @exotic spoke

That's not accounting for if u have healer dps, the dps u have, the affixs

@vocal skiff yes

Which can speed or slow the time

[exotic spoke]

Oh I know @sick sentinel. I just don’t see why you wouldn’t want to skip the trash in the stairs at the beginning

[sick sentinel]

I personally don't because I want to get rid of reaping right away and not at the boss

[heavy chasm]

Your fueling everyone else's point

What?

Why would you do it?

That's the entire poi t of the skip

[sick sentinel]

My point was never about skipping reaping

[heavy chasm]

Trolling? Hello?

[exotic spoke]

Which reaping, the last one?

[sick sentinel]

My point was that skipping the beginning is not important enough

[heavy chasm]

Your point was that skipping the first pack was pointless

[celest gate]

Poor pathing happens all the time

[heavy chasm]

Or a waste rather

[sick sentinel]

Yes, that has nothing to do with reaping

[heavy chasm]

But you dont skip within 6 minutes

[sick sentinel]

Ur just saving time for nothing

[heavy chasm]

But it's clearly not a waste if you save the last reaping...

[exotic spoke]

Saving time to account for fuck ups later on.

[sick sentinel]

Don't fuck up

[exotic spoke]

Minimizing trash we have to kill

[heavy chasm]

Am done

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Ur not going to 2/3 chest ToS past 15

So that extra time is pointless

[exotic spoke]

Ideally yes, but mistakes happen. Lag happens. I’ve leapt through the floor on the last boss because of a bug. Having the extra time because of the skips helped

[heavy chasm]

It's not pointless even if you dont 2/3 it. You can use that time in your next run

Your logic is so flawed

[exotic spoke]

I can’t control that. But I can maximize the amount of time Incase something outside of my control fucks me over

[heavy chasm]

Like if you have the shroud. Fucking use it. Now if your arguement is to form with a rogue for it. Then that's kind of a different conversation altogether

[sick sentinel]

It is pointless

At higher keys u should not be fucking up

[heavy chasm]

Shit.happens.jpeg

[exotic spoke]

There are things beyond your control

[heavy chasm]

Gotta be trolling

[exotic spoke]

Wow, like every other game, isn’t perfect.

There are bugs. I didn’t know I could leap and land up under the floor on the final boss before I did it

We had to wipe because of that. The extra time meant we didn’t deplete the key and could do it on time

[heavy chasm]

Inb4 its pointless because it's not a 2/3

Cuz your shit cuz of a bug lel

[sick sentinel]

Ur right shit happens, like a bug or even rl, but if it's something u can control and u decide to not pay attention that's on u

[opal peak]

I’m confused where the whole “you’re not going to 2 chest 15+” comes from

[analog swift]

I don’t think anybody disagrees with that

[opal peak]

Like ur argument literally has u killing more things

[atomic copper]

@heavy chasm if youve never had a leap bug you aint using it enough

[oblique garnet]

pretty sure ive 2 chested 17 toS

[heavy chasm]

Ohnive had em

Just straight up fallen through the world

[analog swift]

You seem to have the mentality of I’m going to smash my self in the head to show how tough I am. And everyone says but why would you hit yourself in the head? And your response is don’t be a pussy

[heavy chasm]

Into a fucking DC loop

@analog swift precisely

[sick sentinel]

If I'm going to use a skip, it better be worth it

Otherwise why use it

[atomic copper]

the rings in jadefire can get you stuck and you start bouncing straight up

[exotic spoke]

I’ve had it to, just not in TOS. But yeah, how do you account for a bug other than build in more leeway

[opal peak]

It is worth it tho

U skip a reaping

????

[sick sentinel]

I'm not going to do something that has no clear advantage

[heavy chasm]

Tou cant convince this guy

Just let it go

[exotic spoke]

TLDR - agree to disagree

[analog swift]

His head is so strong!

[sick sentinel]

Yeah my head is strong

[heavy chasm]

His skull maybe

[analog swift]

Look how much he’s smashing it into mobs for no reason

[heavy chasm]

Brain not so much

[analog swift]

We dumb pussies

[sick sentinel]

I'm very stupid and a troll because I don't want to use a skip

[signal plover]

Hey lads I'm gonna run a race later today but I'm pretty confident I'll run flawlessly so I'm just gonna walk the first few meters.

[sick sentinel]

Hur hur

[opal peak]

no1 is saying ur stupid

[sick sentinel]

Shall we also point and laugh

[opal peak]

we're just saying there is a clear advantage to the skip

[sick sentinel]

There isnt

[heavy chasm]

Your just stubborn

[opal peak]

how is skipping a reaping

not an advantage?

[exotic spoke]

I’m not saying that man. I disagree that there isn’t a clear benefit

[analog swift]

@signal plover it’s even worse.

It’s im going to run a quarter mile first because it’ll be fine for the mile race

[sick sentinel]

U skipped reaping and u got what from it?

[heavy chasm]

Idk how else to say it man

[pastel wing]

Do I only want one BoM trait?

[opal peak]

less mobs to be killed = less time spent

so u got time

[supple path]

Isn't the stupid race metaphor more, "I expect to lose first place by 4 minutes and beat third place by 3 minutes so there's no point saving 90 seconds"?