Maximum dmg for time trials
#protection
narrow abyss
What key level is it
chrome falcon
we don't know yet
primal crypt
3x 15s
chrome falcon
15s on tourney realm is easier than 14 on live
exotic spoke
Lucky you guys. And yeah it is
wintry ermine
the leech on bloodsport is not counted in the marok spreadsheet or am I blind?
chrome falcon
but yeah idk for trinkets i'm thinking vial+butcher's block that's my setup on live and it pumps hard
exotic spoke
What affixes on tourney?
oblique garnet
@chrome falcon TR setup?
chrome falcon
yeah
oblique garnet
anchor +gore
full monolith
SiN vs Earthlink vs Azerite Globules? Mainly running m+
exotic spoke
Strength in numbers
knotty wagon
Azerite globules has most damage
modern brook
😮
sick sentinel
earthlink IMO
modern brook
stop
knotty wagon
Earth link has a tiny bit of defensive capability too
knotty wagon
Either is fine, wont make a meaningful i pact on gameplay.
full monolith
ye i got that @exotic spoke 😄
modern brook
just scrap the peice man
full monolith
thanks 😃 i ll go with globules and test the actual dmg outcome
modern brook
get something with 3rd traits that dont suck
knotty wagon
Earthlink is mainstat, has defensive value, globules has a bit more dps
full monolith
its 1st boss chestpieces, ebtter than my other 2
modern brook
Globs is a bad trait outside of pvp tbh
ur not a bear
you deal real damage
things die
primal crypt
globs is pretty terrible
narrow abyss
Agree
knotty wagon
exotic spoke
Did you just assume his species? You don’t know him. He could be a bear warrior
knotty wagon
Youre not going to notice any difference, id go with earthlink
full monolith
i mean it's got DC+BoM - thats why i wanna wear it
oblique garnet
@knotty wagon for globules to be useful you need to get all 3 stacks to happen on one target which never happens
full monolith
so the 3rd ring is meh, but ye
modern brook
Stats is cash.
also fun fact
Earthlink stops its oscillations out of combat
IDK if you can do anything with that
but now u know
knotty wagon
@oblique garnet and if it does its onky 49 dps best caae
Earthlink gives some armor, little ap, bit damage
Id be going with EarthLink, unless youre raiding
Also why do we go for the haste proc on engi helm
When barrage of bombs
Sims higher
knotty wagon
Defensive value of haste?
oblique garnet
barrage is meh
modern brook
because we;re not a dps and our sims are not reliable
oblique garnet
barrage is dogshit it pulls when you dont want it to pull
sick sentinel
in practice
knotty wagon
Ah
primal crypt
barrage is absolute garbage for us
knotty wagon
Thank you
primal crypt
especially with RNG available
knotty wagon
Was curious
knotty wagon
And synaptic?
primal crypt
in a sense that it doesnt proc off your charge
modern brook
🙌 
🙌
knotty wagon
I liked synaptic on bdk
slow gazelle
Why use many bomb when few bomb does trick?
sick sentinel
Few word do trick, more bad
full monolith
regarding engi helmet: what do you prefer on 4th ring? I cannot track the absorb-trons healing in details :/
modern brook
I prefer cauterize
modern brook
Covers the only weakness of the class
knotty wagon
Its rng bleed removal can be nice
modern brook
absorbotron will always give 100% value, Cauterize has a higher top end value
its preference
knotty wagon
Does caugterize get rid of necrotic stacks?
primal crypt
absorbtron has pretty high uptime
I have two of the helmets
one with caut, one with absorb
knotty wagon
Caut helps a lot with conclave imho
sick sentinel
absorb is better
full monolith
ye just checked the applied auras: got 40 procs during wcm. i ll stick to that
sick sentinel
absorb is better in most occasions
sick sentinel
I have 2 of those
chilly brook
🙃
sick sentinel
monkaS
chilly brook
I was gonna make a Division 2 joke but I couldn’t remember any of the talents
lusty grotto
🤢
astral crystal
caut is nice but the bleed is pretty irrelevant on conclave
chilly brook
Don’t you sick face me
astral crystal
the moment your healers figure out how to deal with the spikes of raidwide dmg
lusty grotto
🤢
primal crypt
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
chilly brook
I mean tbh I feel like the division is a better rpg than wow 🙃
modern brook
gonk gang
sick sentinel
you say gonk and in my head I think of the sound a car horn makes
oblique garnet
it was not fun
sick sentinel
maybe because you are going too fast
lusty grotto
not enough interrupts?
oblique garnet
yup
lusty grotto
cause locks are good for skips at least
narrow abyss
You make your demo go felhunter as needed?
narrow abyss
Like on UR first and Shrine second?
narrow abyss
I bitched mine out to do that personally
lusty grotto
I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR DPS, MAKE SURE YOU INTERRUPT
oblique garnet
we wiped once so i gave up
narrow abyss
Ah
lusty grotto
warlock is a class i've actually never played
lusty grotto
can they summon felpuppy in combat?
narrow abyss
Yes
lusty grotto
why don't they just swap him out as they wait for CD
narrow abyss
Think it costs a shard too
oblique garnet
^
lusty grotto
so all in all they are lazy asses
oblique garnet
while youre summoning it your mob doesnt do any damage
the summon time is 3 seconds
- mobs travel time
narrow abyss
I heard all the excuses
lusty grotto
yeah that's no excuse lol
lusty grotto
if you wipe to not having that interrupt, his dps doesn't matter
narrow abyss
All I ask is kicks on second boss Shrine and ur 1st
I don’t care about anything else
lusty grotto
i mean
its doable with 3 kicks
but it's always good to have an extra just in case
narrow abyss
Yeah
exotic spoke
On a related note.... I swear to god. Every other week I have to tell people in raid:
“ifnyou cant do the fucking mechanics and listen to the call outs your dps doesn’t fucking matter”
narrow abyss
Hahaha yup
oblique garnet
its doable with 3 melee kicks
exotic spoke
Happened last night when trying to get our rekill on opulence. A melee dps stayed in when I called them to get out (in laser room so we could be clear for flames) and everyone had to run through gore
Fire
lusty grotto
shammies 😉
narrow abyss
That tilts me to no end
That’s been our prog so far
I swear it’s because it’s not immediately clear who in melee has swirlie
So everyone loses their fucking mind
knotty wagon
Looking at a log
signal plover
Keep boss in the middle for a couple of seconds in swirly room. Should make it so that the first beam target doesn't mongo it all the way to the miniboss
knotty wagon
What does an * mean beside parse %?
chilly brook
That it’s an estimate
narrow abyss
Yeah I keep it in middle. And when I see swirlie in middle I move boss alittle closer to edge to keep distance and create a gap so people can 360 around. Then all the melee tunnel and follow me anyway 🤬
chilly brook
Basically they haven’t finished ranking it
knotty wagon
386 tanked boss 3 tank had shit parse lmao
narrow abyss
Swirlie In melee*
knotty wagon
Rip me with that grey parse, says 60*% ilvl tho
chilly brook
So did anyone else catch the meme fest that was googles’ livestream yesterday?
chilly brook
It felt like I was back in 2012
signal plover
Did anyone struggle with M Rasta rekill last night? It was the first night we noticed that death doors disappear when the person that placed them dies (not sure if this is a stealth fix or intentional) but on every pull around the same time (~5mins for us) the watermelons would just ignore the house cheese and hit the bottom group. We almost mongo'd through to a kill 1% but it persisted.
We looked through logs and it almost seemed like the death doors now had HP/power that was limiting their use.
Our rekills have been clean the past few weeks.
signal plover
Man I usually go on compwow after coffee poops
Thnx
So that confirms one part of it (doors go away when person that placed em dies).
We def still had all doors up when ppl started getting rocked by dread Reaping tho.
exotic swallow
any tank for tal dagor +11 400 ilvl +
dusk locust
they were also disappearing for us, that was a surprise 😛
glacial olive
weird how they "fixed" that
dusk locust
i think the comment about dying is correct
glacial olive
I guess maybe they think the fight is too easy as it is, but that just makes it an instant wipe if someone that placed one died
dusk locust
before we knew the cause we just had everyone continuing to drop their doors in that area just in case
signal plover
There are some ppl saying that doorsay have "charges" now which can get depleted and the balls won't get soaked
Our DTPS spikes from dread Reaping (watermelon hits) went up by like 20k if we compare 8.1 to 8.1.5
Last week we kind of mongo'd through it
daring marlin
yup
chilly brook
in a collegiate esports discord
get a discord tag for a certain game
don’t get invested at all into the team
only there for casual play
get mad when the role gets pinged
complains to the old captain about it
Meanwhile there’s a gaming club discord that all the members of that team are on that also exists for the sole purpose of casual play
exotic spoke
Lol people are amazing aren’t they
chilly brook
Yea if I had more power on that discord I would have just yeeted them from the role
sick sentinel
I specifically muted all channels here but prot
If I go to another channel, for whatever reason, I look for a few minutes
Even some of my guilds channels I muted if I don't care for it
chilly brook
I mean there are channels on pretty much every discord that I don’t check
sick sentinel
I just mute it so I don't see the notification of messages
Since it drives me crazy
It's like people who don't open unread emails
Just mass open it
old night
i had a friend who opened his phone once
and his iphone badge thing said 11k emails
my anxiety went into overdrive
sick sentinel
chilly brook
My gmail has a bunch of unopened crap
But all the important stuff goes to outlook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
The number doesn’t bother me
Therefor I don’t really care enough to mass open
I do keep my outlook up to date though because it’s the important inbox
sick sentinel
If I can learn how to be a Hackerman, I'd probably use that skill/knowledge just to mass open everyones email
chilly brook
Lol
sick sentinel
I am the same mothefucker that would spend 10 minutes lining up my mousepad correct with the edge of my desk
And God forbid it moves while I'm playing
chilly brook
Lol
My mousepad has to be right
But mainly because if it’s not, my aim gets messed up
jovial haven
just use one of those 3ft mousepads, i love mine
jovial haven
velcro it to the desk lol
chilly brook
Nah
I mean like
I have to sit a certain way and have to have it lined up right because its a desk with a chair cutout on the right end and drawers on the left
So I jet jipped on mouse room
Which sucks because I’m an arm aimer
jovial haven
Oh I have a 6ft table they use at events for my desk lol
gives plenty of room for everything
chilly brook
Yea the desk makes me wanna kms
Honestly all I want is an simple flat surface with nothing else
Like literally I would be super happy with a door from Home Depot with legs bolted on
jovial haven
the table i bought from lowes was like $60-$65 i think
jovial haven
think he's mistaking the white part of the mousepad on the left side for stains
chilly brook
Yea it’s just a gray of the design
jovial haven
I have that same mousepad
narrow abyss
Is that an ultra wide
chilly brook
I should probably just buy a new mouse pad tbh
@narrow abyss yea but I sold it a little while back in favor of a 144hz
narrow abyss
Ah
chilly brook
I liked it a lot
narrow abyss
Was thinking of going ultra wide route
jovial haven
just buy a table for a desk, give yourself more room, mousepad is fine
chilly brook
Just decided that 144hz was more suited to my needs since I’ve switched to playing FPS games instead of wow
chilly brook
I’d love to replace the desk but the problem is room. I’ll be doing it in the summer though after I’ve graduated from college
There are
But expensive af
chilly brook
I’m on that laptop life
narrow abyss
Wow
chilly brook
Just plug the monitor in 4head
narrow abyss
That looks awesome@
sick sentinel
That looks awful
chilly brook
The price doesn’t lol
sick sentinel
It literally looks like they grabbed a photo in shop and streched the ever living fuck of it
narrow abyss
Think of how many more useless weak auras I could clutter my screen with
chilly brook
@sick sentinel nah the image is never stretched
You just get more field of view tbh
sick sentinel
No the design of TV looks it was
Like they thought how far can we streched this shit
sick sentinel
My table
chilly brook
All that matters is if the image looks good
sick sentinel
And the room I need for that
Nothing will beat horseporn TV though
Just gotta worry about the brand name
chilly brook
Wadu hek
simple prairie
Anyone know if bolstering is triggered by the small mobs surrounding the mini bosses in shrine or if the newest patch fixed that?
shut summit
last i heard, they still bolster
the oozes / skeletons with boneshield you purge after 2nd boss dont bolster
shut summit
not sure
simple prairie
Thanks!
ocean acorn
fort zul hurts
brisk rain
which do you think would be best for m+?
oblique garnet
@vocal skiff initiates bolster can confirm
narrow abyss
I hear the minions still do too in KR 😢
oblique garnet
Minions of zul
opal peak
pretty sure if it's a hostile mob = bolster / if yellow bois = no bolster
bc that's what would make sense
opal peak
oh tru
oblique garnet
Rats in fh also dont bolster
oblique garnet
Oh lul reddit still thinks blood dks are broken we gucci for another few patched
brisk rain
inbefore blizz removes BoM and DC xD
opal peak
make avatar increase clap by 200% please
full palm
I'm simming for 14k on patchwork. I don't think I have ever hit 10k ST. Any tips on getting it up or is the sim of due to being a tank?
Or is that assuming I'm using all my rage on dps and not defensives?
long tinsel
You are correct
lusty grotto
Sims are offensive only
long tinsel
The sim would not take into account that you are using rage on ip and sb
And other defenses
floral spade
Hey all, I’ve been reading forums trying to get a grasp on what trinkets to use and go for and just wanted some opinions, I have a 395 rezan 385 prism (opulence trinket) 400 alchemist stone and a 400 vial from underrot. Mostly for M+
full palm
@long tinsel @lusty grotto Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Now to test my healers and go all pffense for fun!
floral spade
That’s what I was thinking
long tinsel
The prism scales with Rezans so that's nice too if you feel like you need extra defensive
But it's pretty low ilvl compared to your other trinkets
floral tinsel
Thoughts on Lingering Sporepods? How does the HPS of this trinket compare to Oppulence one? Got both at 415 and hard time decide whats best for Mythic raid this week
My guesses are on Oppulence one
But wondering if anyone did the math
weary thorn
sporepods makes me sad
long tinsel
Sporepods is pretty bad
full palm
@floral tinsel both?
floral spade
I love the defensive that the opulence trinket gives
floral tinsel
@full palm Nope.. have 425 Jes Howler 😛
floral spade
Feels really nice
weary thorn
id go prism over sporepods any day
long tinsel
^
floral tinsel
yeah.. thats my taught as well, but whats the actual hps difference?
whats the ppm of sporepods?
long tinsel
Not sure the exact ppm but when I tested it at the beginning of S2 with 400 opulence and 400 pods the opulence was significantly better
weary thorn
thats the feeling I've had. opulance you notice, sporepods I never noticed and it was abominable on the meters
floral tinsel
well the damage from it is really low yeah...
but 21k healing each proc sounds strong....
hmm.. 1.7ppm according to wowhead
~600 hps
weary thorn
thats the equivalent of a minor heal every minute
long tinsel
Yeah that's not very good
weary thorn
like, here take a rejuv 1.7 a minute. You'll be okay I promise
floral tinsel
prism is 11.4k per 10sec.... yeah.. its a lot stronger at ~1140hps
okay.. feel dumb for asking now
weary thorn
dont feel dumb for learning
long tinsel
The sporepods jebaits everyone
floral tinsel
First time it have even gotten it at appropriate ilvl... so I started questioning my beliefs
now I know for sure it's bad 😛
weary thorn
never question that sporepods is terrible
floral tinsel
😄
weary thorn
its like hoping that one day blood dk traits will be useful
long tinsel
Lol
floral tinsel
lol
steel mauve
Ilvl can make any thing decent, but even then sporepods is garbage except for a massive str boost on a massively higher ilvl one
floral tinsel
well yeah.. at the start of season used a Markeethas Fang (or whatever that shit is called) over a 385 Rezans because 420 just gives so much strenght
weary thorn
marekthas is not complete garbage if you can use it on cd, on large packs, as optimally as possible
which is not likely to happen enough to make it worth more than another equal level trinket
floral tinsel
it is channeled so it cancels the effect of parry, dodge and block.... you literally have to stun whatever you are tanking, then use it, witch is not worth it..... or you should pull bigger 😛
its literally a strenght statstick
weary thorn
oh I know, I didnt say it was good. Just not complete trash in the right setting
old zephyr
If the right settings is "you are doing something wrong" then It's litteraly trash, like bargain
weary thorn
sounds like the right setting then
vale steeple
noob question but what sort of ilvl/neck lvl do you need to do 7 to 10 m+? assuming average player
old zephyr
For 10 380-390 I Guess
floral tinsel
this late into the season you should unlock the inner/defensive traits... so whatever hoa level gives that is what you should have... ilvl at least 8 below what the current dungeon rewards, but there are no hard caps (basicly if you are good enought to do it in 250 gear and people would let you in... go for it)
old zephyr
But in dungeons personnal skill is more important than ilvlv
floral tinsel
check rewards for each m+ level here
for 7 its 390.. so I would recommend 382 or higher
full palm
So rez over meka trinket?
vale steeple
awesome thank you all
opal peak
it also depends on group - if ur pugging, the higher the better - if ur with people you know u can hit 10s much lower - like idk if i was 370 when i did my first 10 on my warrior
vocal skiff
Curious, but what is the logic behind minus 8 ilvl
Not saying there isn't one, I just don't know
floral tinsel
Not really any hard logic, I am jsut refrasing Limit Max and what he said about tank ilvl for pugging m+ on his stream once
olive merlin
I have always said 10 under just cause. No reason at all
floral tinsel
He is not only one of the best raiders in the world, but also does a lot of community stuff and shit
so he knows these sort of things
opal peak
imo just start small and go up as u feel comfortable - if a 5 feels really ez and u never feel in danger, jump to a 7, and keep moving up 🤷🏼 that's what i do but either way, it really depends on ur group a lot
floral tinsel
he did some alt pugs right after they made world 2nd
opal peak
his view is still v skewed
floral tinsel
and people asked what ilvl he thought was reasonable... and he gave the same answer as everyone else.. that experience is more important, but if he had to say something he said 8
oblique garnet
380 is more than enough for +10
opal peak
yeah but that's really just throwing out a # 🤷🏼 but realistically there is no set "aim for this"
floral tinsel
well yeah
opal peak
that is him more likely giving a # to please viewers who can't accept the real answer
floral tinsel
and I will admit I just copy his answer whenever people ask me 😛
oblique garnet
I just look at the rio when i do keys on my alts etc
olive merlin
Are you talking about completing the 10 or timing it? You can cc everything and prob complete with ease if you don't care about the timer
oblique garnet
Timing a 10 is easy
vocal skiff
Speaking of, what do you think is the biggest contributor for jumping between 10 to a 15
oblique garnet
Coordination
old zephyr
If I can carry my guildies through 13+ you can get that 10 on your own
vocal skiff
Or a small list of them anyway
floral tinsel
skips
opal peak
im pretty sure my warrior did his first 10, timed, at mid 360's - like will u be able to pug into a 10 at 365? prob not... can u time it if u do? who knows, but u dont need high ilvl to do it
im with Late, coordination
old zephyr
Know What hurts and get rid of it before it does
floral tinsel
basicly at some point you need to learn not only the mechanics but figure out ways to save time.. and thats when you start timing higher keys
I wouldn't say its happening as early as 15
though
full palm
@opal peak 10 timed at 360 in season 1 maybe
floral tinsel
more like 16-17
opal peak
my warrior didnt exist last season @full palm
full palm
Was it AD ?
old zephyr
Pull big but only what's needed is also on the list
oblique garnet
You can time most 10 keys on 360 warriprs easily
floral tinsel
that seems a bit much
oblique garnet
This is assuming you are familiar with the class
ionic fern
^
oblique garnet
And the dungeon mechanics
ionic fern
Was about to say that a random 360 warr has no chance doing it.
olive merlin
If your dps is 360 too, no sure about that
floral tinsel
360 wasen't even a decent ilvl to do a +10 in season 1
opal peak
so all my keys then weren't all recorder by raider.io bc of when i did um and how sporadically but i have a timed 9 @ 364 waycrest - imo reaping doesnt make a 10 all that much harder than a 9 - especially as a warrior
floral tinsel
sure you can do it... but time it`?
full palm
How "good" would a 360 war be at the class anyways honestly. Unless they were a reroll 😉
opal peak
i still don't know how to play war properly 4Head
floral tinsel
heck.. normal drops 385.... how long would even a new 120 stay at 360?
oblique garnet
Around one hour
floral tinsel
sounds about right
opal peak
it's possible i was wrong and didnt get a 10 in until after i broke out of 360 - i remember doing 1 but dont really remember... but ya they aint hard - i literally made my warrior a few days b4 this and prob hit 120 that day
ocean acorn
i have shield wall up and it didnt mitigate at all
frail acorn
best race is ?
old zephyr
Nelf or did or LfD
oblique garnet
Lul
weary thorn
alliance gross
oblique garnet
Belf
brisk ferry
Belf
floral tinsel
ne
narrow abyss
🤮
dusky mica
Orc. Noobs.
frail acorn
not the new trolls
opal peak
gobbo 😏
dusky mica
M+ alliance, probably Nelf. Raiding, probably a Dwarf of some description.
full palm
Goblin!
dusky mica
Goblin?! Wtf m8
oblique garnet
Goblin is indeed one of the stronger races
full palm
Rocket boots!
brisk ferry
does it still have passive haste?
opal peak
ya
brisk ferry
nice
delicate urchin
+5 ilvl will be upgrade no matter stats even on cloak/wrists?
old zephyr
LfD has best dps.
Dwarf Let's you cheat more mechanics
And Nelf is for the tricks
opal peak
more stats = better stats
so if 400 socket cloak is more stats than 405, yes - if less stats, then no
full palm
Rocket boots!
brisk ferry
I'd be going DiD just because I hate necrotic
full palm
I love necrotic. Watching the healer huff and puff after me and dps yelling parses as leap+Rocket boots the hell out of there! Mihahaah
frail forge
sry to interrupt but just a quick question 😃 Callous Reprisal is better than Tradewinds right?
floral tinsel
Tradewinds is garbage compared to warrior specific traits
Callous Reprisal is decent for dps, but the defensive part is bad
delicate urchin
@opal peak
u was want say "more stats > better stats"?
empty inlet
enchants for weapon ? i see some use siphoning
brisk ferry
they are meme'ing
warm plinth
Quick navigation
brisk ferry
Quick Navigation
warm plinth
Top m+ warriors on r.io or top raiders on WCL are not a good source of general information.
empty inlet
it make sense to me i was just wondering your guy's opinion in dungeon
opal peak
@delicate urchin ummm kinda both? u want whatever gives more stats, so the piece with more stats is the 1 with the better stats
steel mauve
@floral tinsel even the defensive part of CR isnt bad, there are just better options defensively
delicate urchin
@opal peak so if two items dont have socket ilvl will always win, exept rings and trinkets?
warm plinth
Even rings to a point; trinkets are the only one where you'd have a substantial ilevel difference
steel mauve
except trinkets
As personal preference ive used a haste heavy ring over a 5 ilvl upgrade with out haste but technically the 5 higher would have been better
opal peak
^
warm plinth
Defensively, yeah. But from a DPS standpoint, the haste heavy ring would be better.
steel mauve
But ive been losing haste every where and really needed the extra 200 for my own preference
I always try to gear defensively any ways
warm plinth
Same; just wanted to clarify :p
delicate urchin
wow, thought haste by far the best stat, k, thx)
oblique garnet
@empty inlet siphoning is not worth unless you somehow have over 10% leech
empty inlet
why the 10%
winter aspen
What about avoidancw
oblique garnet
Overall quick navigation performs better
Avoidance is kinda eh
Not that many abilities etc you benefit from it
winter aspen
Think I have like 7% and 4% leech
oblique garnet
This your highest ilvl gear?
winter aspen
Yeah
oblique garnet
Not bad
winter aspen
Could maybe get leech higher but its trash
Does like 10% ovrl healing
Think Id take speed over both of these honestly
oblique garnet
Id love me a speed set
oblique garnet
@primal crypt good
primal crypt
@oblique garnet my team died lul
We lost our 5th
He was like, im done, dont care anymore
Didn't even log into tourney realm
sick sentinel
lol
primal crypt
Set up 3 tanks and now im just like....what to do....lol
barren torrent
Hi guys, quick question. I didn't raid for weeks and I read some class tips on TankNotes and it says Berserker rage cannot negate the horrify effect on Ferocious Roar on Grong. Though, I remember when BoD was launched that I used it on this mechanic. Has this changed?
austere oar
only in Mythic
lusty grotto
^
in heroic it works
in mythic it doesn't
because in mythic it is a horror effect, not a fear
austere oar
the status effect changes in Mythic
oblique garnet
@primal crypt ?? Wut
barren torrent
@austere oar @lusty grotto Oh that's why, thanks !
tepid dagger
As a warrior, just take every throw and intercept other tank. Never worry about fear!
primal crypt
I think he's quitting wow
sick sentinel
just like my DH
brisk rain
how does reflecting bestial throw work?
signal plover
Reflect before you're grabbed
tepid dagger
The pick up gives a dot. The spell reflect prevents the dot
brisk rain
i still get picked and thrown, right?
brisk rain
ok, thanks
signal plover
You can intervene cotank but that has some downsides
narrow abyss
I tried that I just got blown up
narrow abyss
So on details it’ll say bestial throw for the dot
You’ll know you did it right if you don’t see it listed
signal plover
Or if your SR gets eaten :)
narrow abyss
Haha that’s another way 😂
tepid dagger
Only downside for intervene is not being able to cast a new cd during through
What else
vale steeple
any notable racials for m+? horde side
narrow abyss
Belf
signal plover
The stunned melee hit from Grong is spicy
lusty grotto
UD is highest dps, Belf has the highest utility for M+
that's pretty much it
the differences between races are marginal, so it shouldn't matter
tepid dagger
indeed it is, but just need to get a heal during the 2 second stun, since you aren't tanking the boss after can sit low after the hit
unborn island
why does everyone forget that dwarf is master race
signal plover
Just risky with the raid dmg on the fight. Ok once you're mongoing it but for prog I wouldn't personally recommend it
tepid dagger
Cause ally are trash
sick sentinel
imagine playing alliance btw
lusty grotto
we had a lengthy discussion about it last night/morning
signal plover
Also like 38 m jaina kills so far lol
lusty grotto
about what does the whole faction separation brings to the game at this point in time of the games lifetime
signal plover
Nothing?
lusty grotto
right
signal plover
Dope
lusty grotto
that's what i was getting at basically
old night
iMaGinE pLaYinG aLliAnCe
vocal skiff
wait, undead is the highest dps?
lusty grotto
yes
vocal skiff
Why?
lusty grotto
their passive proc
hasty compass
Whats the best Azerite Gear for Mythic plus for Protection Warrior? Getting a bit defensive & dmg traits?
lusty grotto
best in slot lists do not exist since 4 expansions ago
narrow abyss
#268491842637660160 icyveins
lusty grotto
☝ read the guide, it'll help on choosing traits
old night
oblique garnet
3 treacherous covenant 3 bastion of might
primal crypt
3 treacherous covenant 3 bloodsport
warm plinth
Is that even possible? XD
winter aspen
3x RF 3x TC
oblique garnet
No
winter aspen
Devatator
lusty grotto
its not possible
oblique garnet
All memes aside if you feel like you dont need defensives go full offensive traits
old night
take indomitable and devastator
prioritize casts on ignore pain
and only ignore pain
old night
memes aside, check the pins my dude
also i believe @lusty grotto and @sand egret are big M+ people
they can most definitely help you out
narrow abyss
Not like you can target farm gear anyway. Out of what u have prioritize 1 DC. As much BOM after that. And then preference from there between IF/BFI/BS.
primal crypt
8=D big
old night
thats a cute sideways emoji
im gonna send it to all my friends
its like a big smile right
primal crypt
Yup big smile
narrow abyss
And his glasses on his forehead
primal crypt
Cute eyes
Sometimes people think it's a shovel
But i have to tell them it's a face
old night
real prot question tho
oblique garnet
Q(’.’q)
primal crypt
They're so ignorant
oblique garnet
7k ????
old night
thats in the guides
oblique garnet
Just gamble it mans
narrow abyss
The specifics?
lusty grotto
gamble ftw
narrow abyss
My opinion is, what’s great today might not be good tomorrow. Might as well have a collection of shit
oblique garnet
I have bis for prot,fury and almost arms now too
primal crypt
Since all of them are decent
narrow abyss
Gamble
primal crypt
Gamble all day ma dude
narrow abyss
Plus it makes chest day fun
narrow abyss
You can
lusty grotto
for 7k residuumrinos
narrow abyss
But the gamble is so much cheaper and we’re lucky that we have so many decent traits it’s hard to have shit pieces
old night
yee, im like 400 off
old night
also why the fuck is it loading that shield
west kayak
Weapon dmg doesn't mean much in regards to our dps does it.
lusty grotto
it does mean much @west kayak
old night
^^
narrow abyss
BFI/CR and IF
lusty grotto
thats why ilvl on weapons always
lusty grotto
410 weap 😄
west kayak
My current is 385 and I just sim'd with a 400 and it brought my dps up by 200. Not alot considering the ilvl difference.
old night
so whats the verdict? randoms?
lusty grotto
random shoulders
narrow abyss
Random
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/news=281913/battle-for-azeroth-new-formula-for-calculating-ability-damage @west kayak, also do not make me repeat that the APL isn't finished
brisk rain
any tips for minimizing dmg taken on grong :D?
brisk rain
every part of the fight xD
old night
swap every ability during combo with your co tank
lusty grotto
if youre getting reck'd by tantrum, that's on your raid
old night
call for ironbark on throw
lusty grotto
i guess
lusty grotto
i mean if hes getting owned by throw, hes obviously not reflecting so 🤷
lusty grotto
not its not
use it while hes doing 3rd cast
he grips immediately after
no reason to hold it
old night
ill try that then
also @brisk rain do you run ERT
or any mod that lets you track raid CD's
a lot of people don't and it's bad not to. Always see what healer CD's are available so you can call for one if you need something be it sac or wings
lusty grotto
if hes getting owned by "everything" he's obviously doing something wrong
lusty grotto
if hes getting owned by Tantrum/DeathKnell, there's nothing that he can do
so yeah we need specifics
narrow abyss
Only part is on you is taunting right and living throw
old night
specifically interrupts
old night
^^
i tank with a BDK, if its a double bleed he'll soak one, if it's double smash i'll take that
just learn what hurts your cotank and see if you can relieve some of the pressue
and vice versa
narrow abyss
Yeah I let the guy tanking grong eat the double bleed. I’ll only let myself get thrown with 1 bleed
narrow abyss
Sometimes I still explode if i get thrown with like 60-75% health so I cal for external if that happens
old night
last xpac my cotank was a mute and it was horrible
narrow abyss
If I have a bite
old night
wasn't until I started tanking with the new cotank that I was like "OH WOW SO THIS IS WHAT ITS LIKE"
narrow abyss
Haha yeah
Cooperative vocal co tank makes tanking a lot more fun
Instead of trying to read body language
old night
i got banned from my roommates old discord for being "arrogant" because I was communicating to their tank during a heroic mistress pull as a substitute
that was a funny story
timber nest
Anyone here use a WA to auto mark mobs in m+?
woven trellis
not when your guild is yelling to tanks not to talk on discord because their communication is disturbing riad leader
puzzlebox
narrow abyss
old night
@woven trellis id be so tilted
woven trellis
man we were
old night
our RL lets us talk whenever the hell we need to
old night
fuck that id leave
woven trellis
i thought abt it
but to be honest i got better at learning to read the other tank with minimal communication
runic plume
u could use ingame chat
woven trellis
but yes i was tilted
runic plume
and just use another push to talk key for it
runic plume
i dont understand how my guilds tanks do it but they never talk to each other only when they make a mistake its like telekinesis
woven trellis
because u can cotank without talkin rly
old night
yo my cotank and I are like that
woven trellis
i do it now
burnt fossil
if you know how to watch your cotank
woven trellis
and to be honest, game is more enjoyable now that i have to talk less
but the RL was indeed a shit raid leader because at that point when we talked, we rly needed to talk, we werent used to each other
old night
ya
our RL lets us communicate whenever and the raid is used to it
to where they can talk over us and no one gets confused
lusty grotto
communication is key to everything
old night
and the amount of times ive been able to hop into a shit situation and make due without communication because I know my cotank so well is nuts
lusty grotto
people that fail at communicating make things harder
this is why you see streamers calling out EVERYTHING
old night
@brisk rain you rarely change talents
lusty grotto
"walling", for example
lusty grotto
towlie isn't really a good example i'd say (hes bad)
old night
but that dude is barely watchable because of his anger issues
lusty grotto
but if he does call out shit, then i guess it is
lusty grotto
my brother fails at communicating often
when hes cocooning, etc
so that kind of people do exist
i've been trying to get him to understand the concept
but it's hard teaching an old dog new tricks
old night
at the end of the day tho just remember
lusty grotto
hes used to me paying attention to everything
old night
you'll never be as bad as filmstrips's old roommate
when we were on mythic zul they barely got normal taloc down
400+ pulls on normal taloc
oblique garnet
somehow doubt it
pretty sure even if you were 340 there was not enough damage going on that would actually be able to kill you normal taloc
burnt fossil
as a warrior?
honest canopy
Y
brisk rain
heh, reverse scenario in my case
i want to dps but my guild doesnt have any other geared tank
brisk rain
fury just plays nicer than prot xd
warm plinth
Probably just a matter of them already having two tanks
brisk rain
i love that haste bonus from enrage
brisk rain
playing as dps is easier, you dont have to worry about so much stuff haha
daring marlin
tanking is way easier in raid
daring marlin
ok
daring marlin
still way easier in raid
winter aspen
Tanking is stressful af in keys
opal peak
man in raid
winter aspen
Compared to dps
daring marlin
Tanking is only stressful in keys
lusty grotto
if you have a retarded group
daring marlin
The entire run basically hinges on you
lusty grotto
😉
astral crystal
damn i miss the towelliee bashing
daring marlin
I love it
astral crystal
missed**
winter aspen
Yeah its addicting kind of stressful
Lots of shit to master
Dps you just do your rotation and dont die lol
ivory light
What Az traits do yall typically run for your 6 in M+? ATM using 2x BoM, 2x BfI, 1x DC, 1x IF
narrow abyss
Kinda miss dps. Just making peanut gallery comments about the route the tank is doing 😂
opal peak
📌
daring marlin
🍍
chilly brook
@ivory light #268491842637660160
analog swift
I’ve noticed for tanking in raids being able to tank is super easy. Being an exceptional tank is really hard whereas the bar for dps is very gradual.
daring marlin
What makes being an exceptional tank really hard?
silk mortar
Well a tank in my guild didnt think a 20 ilvl weapon was an upgrade becuase it had the wrong stats and tanks dont need damage 🤔
^^
mint adder
You should tell him that active mitigation is based on weapon damage
Unless they changed that a while ago
lusty grotto
nope
weapon damage does not influence IP
but yes, ip is based on attack power
that being said attack power is not increased by weapon damage
Damage = (Attack Power + Weapon DPS * 6) * AP Coefficient * Damage Multiplier is the resulting damage from skills
as you can see, Weapon Damage is added to Attack Power
modern brook
QED, bitches
lusty grotto
but ilvl is important in weapons otherwise you will do shit dmg
plus the added benefit of obtaining STR+Stam+Secondaries for defensiveness
modern brook
XD ur raid tank is an idiot
Tanking is a joke in raids
90% of it is taunt swap and the rest is on your healers
if you're not gearing for as much damage as possible you're a fucking liability
which is a really aggressive way of saying "tank damage matters a lot"
also sidebar: ip is not active mitgation and perpetuating that idea will make more and more bad protwars
IP is a rage dump for damage smoothing
the big shield button is our mitigation
In other words; if ip is down, ur probably actively tanking
If sb is down, you're probably dying
opal peak
man bull has opened my eyes
sand egret
sup nerds
opal peak
i thought shield slam was mainly dps
opal peak
😃
sand egret
(actually stagger wins that) but still
modern brook
and nim showed his virginity w/ some formulas
opal peak
lol i was gunna say
primal crypt
STAGGER LUL
sand egret
but real talk: @silk mortar your raid tanks is a big ol' yikes
analog swift
@modern brook id say being a really good tank is trying to fix little things that make a big impact how are you moving the statues to avoid melee putting shit lasers. Can you tank with your back to the flame jets so the dps can see the jets and move (you can tell I’ve been wiping on opulence).
For conclave are you moving the boss as little as possible. Are you dripping thundering squal outside paku. Etc etc.
silk mortar
@sand egret Cant deny ^^
modern brook
@analog swift it says a lot about tanking that your idea of perfecting tanking is doing as little as possible
analog swift
Moving the boss?
daring marlin
@modern brook highfive dude
analog swift
Ok bb
tardy berry
Evening :)
wakanda macros do y'all use?
I only have mouseover taunt (and /y and actual taunt)
mouseover intercept and
mouseover axe throw
Tryna see if I can make life easier
modern brook
in raid; the difference between tank and dps
sand egret
it's a bit of word twisting, tbh
modern brook
is that one of them is supposed to be hit by the boss
analog swift
Lemme rephrase that on mobile and at work
modern brook
thats it
sand egret
i think he meant that you're making less work for the rest of your dps
so they can focus on their job
analog swift
^^
modern brook
I understand what hes saying
analog swift
Are you actively putting the boss in ideal positions for your raid
sand egret
I make my dps run
analog swift
Mekkatorque comes to mind
sand egret
weed out the DKs
modern brook
@daring marlin 🖐
My point is that thats not something thats like; unique
or rather that changes pull to pull
theres very few bosses as a tank where, once i know my positioin in taunt swaps, i have to think about my positioning/ anything else
at which point, what is a tank if not a dps that gets focus healed
sand egret
that point I agree on
modern brook
Like; in context
sand egret
which is why I'm an advocate of their being another axis for tanks to run on in some way that isn't so binary
modern brook
the scentence " a 20 ilvl weapon was[n't] an upgrade becuase it had the wrong stats and tanks dont need damage" is just objectively wrong, and highlights a misunderstanding of what tanks do
as if we need to gear to survive, etc
sand egret
in an alternate universe where CC in this game worked like it does in Monster Hunter games, a "tank" could have a metric of play that isn't "Are you dead?" and "are you doing damage?"
analog swift
Yeah bad tanks can get carried by shit healers
Totally agree being an ok tank is the lowest bar in the game
opal peak
eh that's debatable
analog swift
It’s very easy to spot bad dps it’s hard to spot a bad tank
opal peak
idk if bad tanks can get carried by shit healers
analog swift
Awful
sand egret
bad brms can