And like, i feel like thats actually gonna happen
#protection
sick sentinel
umbral forge
I feel like every dungeon they've made "with m+ in mind" has been worse and worse than the dungeons before it.
Like the initial legion dungeons were genuinely fun to run. I don't know how many times I did halls of valor.
undone sun
+1
sick sentinel
+2
warm plinth
So speaking of changes; did the patch notes actually mean anything for prism? Sounds like this might only be in PvP but it wasn't in the PvP section and it specifically says encounters at the top.
real thunder
Ok, so we downed Grong in Mythic for the first time tonight. He hits hard AF. Looking at the blockable/reflectable spreadsheet, his bestial throw is not blockable. I was wasting rage trying to keep shield block up before he picked me up. It seems like i should pop spell reflection, demo shout and a IP. How do you guys handle the final strike of the combo and being thrown?
undone sun
works everywhere, 15% buff @warm plinth
warm plinth
Rofl, seriously XD
sick sentinel
@real thunder like u noticed, spell reflect throw
warm plinth
I personally think that Legion dungeons were Blizzard's masterpiece for the most part. They are by far my favorite set of dungeons since I started playing back in vanilla.
undone sun
no, dungeons are considereed one encounter
sick sentinel
Have demo shout up/a full IP/ and SB
real thunder
SB or SR?
lusty grotto
@real thunder spell reflect
sick sentinel
SR for throw
warm plinth
Yeah it just means you'd have to wait 10 seconds after dropping the key to get your first absorb (in dungeons)
lusty grotto
see reflect/blockable guide in #268491842637660160
warm plinth
In raids it would be every pull would start with no absorb
undone sun
right
umbral forge
@warm plinth Yeah for sure. I do still think HoL is the best dungeon they've made, period though.
But Legion dungeons were just great all around.
real thunder
SB works for the impact? "Bestial Throw" is shown as not blockable
lusty grotto
bro
sick sentinel
yeah its kinda confusing
U spell reflect the throw(The grab)
U shield block the impact(when u land)
warm plinth
Wait, are you referring to Halls of Lightning @umbral forge?
lusty grotto
you spell reflect the GRIP
umbral forge
yea
lusty grotto
not the throw
warm plinth
But the DoT is called Bestial Throw
lusty grotto
ah yes
real thunder
Ahhh...and i spam SB before i hit the ground
lusty grotto
i see where the confusion is now
warm plinth
The actual throw is called Bestial Impact or something like that
warm plinth
XD
lusty grotto
🤷
warm plinth
Blame Blizzard for their dumbass spell names
lusty grotto
thats why i always say check the guide
sick sentinel
Reflect the throw, no not that throw THE THROW THATS A GRIP BUT ALSO A THROW
warm plinth
XD
umbral forge
I loved the build up to it throughout Ulduar and as a 13 year old kid (I think?) I found the dungeon rather hard to tank and DPS. Mostly because I wasn't that good at English yet. But it solidified itself as my favorite dungeon cause I really like Storm Peaks.
real thunder
So demo before the 3rd hit, SR before he picks you up to squeeze you, and spam SB as you are being thrown so you block the landing
warm plinth
Halls of Lightning is probably up there for my LEAST favorite dungeon
Like top 10 easily
umbral forge
wow why
lusty grotto
alright, lets try this ivus thing again
warm plinth
I don't like the theme of the dwarven origin dungeons
lavish oracle
Demo doesn't affect throw unless they changed it
warm plinth
Halls of Lightning is part of that as well
lavish oracle
Nah, impact is environment
lusty grotto
goddamn you inr
sick sentinel
Haha
lavish oracle
Unless they fixed it, haven't checked in a while
sick sentinel
I will fucking shot u
primal sable
it has a perfect balance of dread and frustration
lusty grotto
yeah demo doesn't actually do anything in grong/grip
umbral forge
Was a bug on Ivus where you could bonus roll whenever you killed him.
They fixed it, removed all loot but made it so you couldn't bonus roll him anymore.
Then a hotfix came that enabled bonus rolling on him again.
But I think it's hard coded to only pop a seal first time you kill him, and if that doesn't pop for whatever reason you're out of luck
lusty grotto
im not talking about that at all
sick sentinel
Nim is just losing it here
warm plinth
Grong Broken Down
Bestial Throw: The DoT applied when he grabs you - this is deflectable
Bestial Smash: The damage done upon landing after he actually throws you - this is blockable
/thread
lusty grotto
why wouldn't you be able to bonus roll on locked mobs
sick sentinel
Cause fuck u, bitch play longer
warm plinth
I tihnk Nim needs sleep
wicked vault
Hmm treach vs CR. Feel like CR is straight dog shit
umbral forge
I don't know Nim. at all.
lusty grotto
youre confused
sick sentinel
WE ALL NEED SLEEP
primal sable
beastial smash is the tank buster tho
warm plinth
Bestial Throw does just as much damage as the impact, if not a little more
lusty grotto
the exploit was that people could get LOOT without bonus rolling
that was like first week of darkshore
there's 0 reason why you shouldn't be able to bonus roll on locked mobs
umbral forge
Yeah but that fix
lusty grotto
you can do that in BoD, and every raid
umbral forge
made it so bonus rolled stopped working
warm plinth
@wicked vault CR is a good trait for M+, though definitely less damage than covenant.
umbral forge
bonus rolls*
wicked vault
Yeah, cov just seems spooky. I'm a fairly new prot too, barely hit 398 today
lavish oracle
Oh, wait, impact is blockable? I always just spammed Mchimba's on theows where I don't have Ls up
Weird
umbral forge
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ivus-the-forest-lord-no-bonus-roll/44641 @lusty grotto
They fixed this so you can bonus roll again.
But I think it's hard coded where you can only bonus roll once cause I can only do it once per character I have.
warm plinth
Covenant is fine; if you're playing properly, you should never get to the level of HP where you're taking increased damage. Only hits that occur below 20% are affected, not hits that bring you below 20%.
You can only bonus roll world bosses once anyway; same with raid bosses unless that's been changed? I thought the only thing you could repeatedly roll on is M+ completion chests.
wicked vault
Oh word, perfect. Will give it a try then! Appreciate it
warm plinth
And that's still just once per dungeon unless I'm mistaken
Once per run I should say
warm plinth
Ah, I haven't raided in this expansion so I didn't know
I thought it was still 1 bonus roll per lockout per boss
umbral forge
Yeah in mythic raiding, unless I'm wrong. I'm not allowed to raid mythic
warm plinth
Nim you need a drink man
lusty grotto
you can't repeat mythic bosses
you're saved to that lock out
but you definitely can repeat heroic bosses and bonus roll more than once
warm plinth
Yeah I don't even think you can help kill with no loot in another run in mythic, can you?
knotty wagon
Unstable flames vs Elemental whirl?
ivory light
2x DC is basically bad rightt?
lusty grotto
not for dps
knotty wagon
It jsut lacks defensive appeal
lusty grotto
correct
warm plinth
I chose Whirl personally; get the full effect on proc and you can get haste
ivory light
debating between 2x DC, or or DC/Meticulous Scheming, orr DC/IF
would DC/IF be better then?
umbral forge
@ivory light I have a second set of plate azerite with triple DC for when we boost people through weekly in my guild.
you can get some insane DPS. I end higher than the guild Demon Hunters during fortified.
ivory light
so then probs DC/IF for non carries, 2x DC for carries
warm plinth
DC/IF is pretty good for M+. Block is never a bad thing to have more of.
ivory light
yeah im literally only doing M+ lol
set is 2x IF/1x BfI/2x BoM/1x DC atm
alternative was same, except flip IF/DC
warm plinth
For DPS, the second DC would be better than IF. But no defensive value, so it's your call if you want to make the sacrifice.
ivory light
only really doing M+, so ill keep the defensives for now
as we're just starting to push higher keys like 15s lol
went from 360 to tankin 15's in a week, loving prot so much rn
warm plinth
Definitely a very addicting playstyle
ivory light
orr about to do 15s in should say, just replaced a 370 so lol
BoM>BfI for M+ always correct?
warm plinth
Yeah, most likely. Far more damage, and you still get a solid defensive gain during Avatar as well, not to mention the free IP.
ivory light
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/thorgul any input on Az trait changes I should make for m+? Think I've basically got best j can use rn but just wanna make sure.
Obvs trying to replace trinket asap lol
umbral forge
mate that transmog is sick
umbral forge
I'm literally just running in the brawler garb cause it's so ugly.
ivory light
Need a better wep xmog cause I haven't played plate in ages, but axe is working fine for now
umbral forge
Are you kidding me?
That axe fits this so well. Maybe Quel'Delar but I doubt it
ivory light
I really want the mythic ToS set tbh
I guess it's not really the look of the axe, it's just the size. It seems tiny to me lol
ivory light
Coming from dh where weps are size of my body
Yeah I'd use sword if I had a good looking one, but I dont
Should have 415 alch trinket by end of tomorrow or day after, just gotta run Heroic. Then I need to figure something for shitty opul trinket
Really wish I get could rezans
dense flame
I feel like this weeks relatively easy if dps are smart.
umbral forge
...so it's a very difficult week.
silver breach
Quick question! cuirrently i have Jes's Howler 400 and a Rezan's Eye (with socket) 395. Which, if either, would you replace with a Diamond Laced Reflecting Prism?
umbral forge
I'd replace Jes
warm plinth
Probably Howler
exotic spoke
So
Question...
Any tips for 20 siege
this week
Mainly the last couple pulls before first boss
honest frigate
What are you wondering about them?
exotic spoke
How to deal with the un cc able mob so that it doesn’t get bolstered to fuck
honest frigate
The marksman?
ionic fern
You can massroot the tiny mobs if you have a druid and pull the big guy away.
You can have one of the DPS'ers aggro everything and kite back while you taunt only the big guy to separate them and then kill them like that.
wicked ginkgo
410 lingering spore pods or 370 Vial of Animated blood for mythic plus? not sure honestly, the burst that vial brings with avatar is crazy
honest frigate
That’s honestly inefficient though
You’ll just want to priority target and do 1 pack at a time
Brute force it
ionic fern
Not seeing what's in-effecient about it.
The tiny ones die in like 5s .
exotic spoke
I get that it’s only one pack. It’s just with the 5 other mobs in the packs anything that bolsters him on a 20 is going to be stupid
DH blur tank the other shit until they die with CDs running?
warm plinth
@wicked ginkgo Sporepods
exotic spoke
Sporepods is correct
warm plinth
40 ilevels plus it's static strength
honest frigate
Well if I remember correctly there’s 2 marksman in there and 2 footman and big guy that slashes
Your bigger concern is marksman bolstering not heavy slash boy
You’re overthinking it
oblique garnet
You root the other mobs you take the commander to narnia
You kill the other mobs with bolstered spotter you kill commander normally
honest frigate
I only do root and separate if it’s going to result in 4+ bolstering
Anything less is fine imo
ionic fern
It's not overthinking on a +20 where if you bolster something to oblivion you get smacked. Considering that he already said he has a DH in the grp who probably will go "Hurrdurr eyebeam".
exotic spoke
It would gch
Nah, he’s good and knows what to do
But not a bad assumption to make mwahi
oblique garnet
Alrernatively you have the dh taunt the commander away and run to narnia
warm plinth
But where exactly IS Narnia? I didn't see any wardrobes in Siege
exotic spoke
Going to be screwing around in a 17 to test the pulls with the spotter - just trying to get an idea of it
You’re obviously not looking hard enough ghash. Try to look in the water. They got thrown in there
oblique garnet
Narnia is the place in far left corner of the spotter area
warm plinth
Lol, idk if I want to get to Narnia badly enough to face down those sharks
They can have the damn wardrobe
oblique garnet
Theres a quest underwater with big rewars after the first boss ghash
exotic spoke
So true
warm plinth
You know, two weeks ago you guys could have said that and I probably would have believed you, because I hadn't done Siege yet XD
exotic spoke
You’d give up narnia to the sharks?! Are you mad?!
warm plinth
Aslan will be fine without me
exotic spoke
(There’s actually a quest there in the water. Like no shit)
Good luck getting it before you die
exotic spoke
Go in there in a non m+ and you’ll see it
warm plinth
Does it actually give big rewards?
oblique garnet
Yes
exotic spoke
On the boat you cross between first and second boss
Well under it technically
If I remember correctly
verbal socket
whats the best slot to gamble first on my prot warrior 😄 sorry if its on FAQ or pins
exotic spoke
What’s your lowest non dc one imo
warm plinth
Your lowest ilevel Azerite piece
verbal socket
i have 400s on all 3
exotic spoke
But yeah that too. Any dc ?
exotic spoke
I’d replace one of those then. You don’t need - or necessarily want two DC
So, getting a higher Ilvl piece without it potentially could be a huge upgrade
3bom 1 dc 2 IF is the standard go to for mythic plus.
Though, some people do different things
primal sable
i think theres only one guy in the top 20 prot warriors that managed to get 3xBoM 1xDC
lusty grotto
huh
we all have 3 BoM
im confused
ive had 3x BoM for like a month
(or more)
not hard, there's a shitton of pieces with it
primal sable
in the first 10 prot warriors world only femclap has 3xBoM
lusty grotto
this is why you dont look at equipment on logs or rankings
primal sable
it probably just means it doesnt matter
lusty grotto
it really doesn't mean anything lol
they could just as easily swap out for their armory
or could be using a very situational trait combo for a very specific run
if you think you shouldn't go 3x BoM because those dudes don't have it... i don't know what to tell you
primal sable
yea :^(
lusty grotto
well, you can get bom chest easily by doing mythic champs
knotty wagon
I mean
primal sable
i had 3xBoM 2xDC then i got a 415 azerite with DC/IF
knotty wagon
if it ever drops
primal sable
now im 3xDC 2xBoM lmao
lusty grotto
that's why you use bonus rolls on it
knotty wagon
Yes, still no gaurentee
lusty grotto
ouch
primal sable
life is rough
primal sable
highest i can go is HC and i already double rolled that shit
ionic fern
I went away from the 3BoM/3DC as well into 3BoM/2DC/1BfI. 😦
crisp pecan
Did KR 19 yesterday, brutal
primal sable
i need 3xBoM 3xDC to cuck the pugs i play with
umbral forge
@lusty grotto Horde has hall of fame.
Alliance is 20/80 IIRC
umbral forge
Faction imbalancing is that big yet I'm the crazy one for wanting faction barriers removed
winter aspen
This faction based system is stupid anyways
lusty grotto
yeah i think the top 100 should just be top 200 and just do both factions
primal sable
the hall of fame thing is just to get desperate 8/9 guilds to buy faction changes
winter aspen
Just make the titles for 100 on each side but allow cross realm after 100 guilds TOTAL
lusty grotto
kinda stupid to hold xrealm mythic hostage cause of pop imbalance
knotty wagon
How about this
Make it 2 weeks af ter first faction hits 100
and still give out titles to alliance
Should keep everyone happy
potent anvil
2x meticulous scheming is op, change my mind
knotty wagon
you need a hug
open field
Alliance gid gud kids
lusty grotto
i mean i have no idea if alliance has recruiting problems or whatever
ionic fern
Depends on the server
lusty grotto
right but that applies to horde as well
ionic fern
We struggled on Sylvanas but Silvermoon is a bit better.
lusty grotto
so honestly there's nothing holding alliance back that should be considered for these ranks
ionic fern
I went to wowprogress to look for people and for every 20 horde people i had 1 alliance person.
umbral forge
@lusty grotto It's because of Mists of Pandaria.
During mists, the troll & orc racials were so busted while Alliance racials were really underperforming for PvE.
The racials did more for raid DPS than bloodlust IIRC. So being Alliance was a bigger loss of overall DPS than not using bloodlust.
Most top end guilds or well, guilds who gave a damn in general faction changed to Horde because of this.
Then new players come and choose Horde because the high-end PvE scene on Horde is a lot wider than on Alliance, which continued the trend despite new racial tuning.
even before then horde racials > ally racials
but that part of the game racials were just.. inherently busted.
oblique garnet
@ionic fern could be because silvermoon on eu is 95% alliance 5% horde XD
primal sable
silvermoon has a whole bunch of casuals tho
sick sentinel
yeah then during legion when m+ became a real thing people went horde again because belf was really strong and people who wanted to do m+ wanted go horde not only because of racial but also the player-base that travelled there already
silvermoon is mostly casuals
oblique garnet
yeah usually biggest servers have a bunch of casuals
its the same on draenor eu
theres alot of top guilds
but shitton of casuals also
ionic fern
Jeah,that's the reason why we transfered there. On EU there's either Ravencrest or Silvermoon for alliance.
primal sable
ravencrest is the gentleman's choice of server
oblique garnet
Alliance tho
primal sable
first alliance guild to down jaina on ravencrest
sick sentinel
yeah PG is a good guild for a really long time
ionic fern
There's only 2 guilds on SIlvermoon that have killed Jaina. 😦
umbral forge
Alliance is a lot like Feral in a way.
It exists. Many people play it, but everybody thinks the same thing
sick sentinel
it sucks?
umbral forge
"..Why feral when you can be Balance"
sick sentinel
that also works 😄
lusty grotto
honestly they should just do 1 faction, this whole 2 faction thing isn't working out at this point in the game's long life... pvp can be adjusted to whatever
umbral forge
Yeah
stone beacon
any titanforged ? ^^
oblique garnet
oh damn
lusty grotto
even the story of good ole horde vs alliance is getting hella old
ionic fern
I don't mind the horde vs alliance story..IF they bring back WC3 Nightelves.
lusty grotto
they tried that
making them all shadowy and shit
and with the night warrior thing
ionic fern
They TRIED..but atm Anduin is in the spotlights so everything has to go by his book.
😦
lusty grotto
every other expansion it seems is horde vs alliance themed
mists, cata, bfa
though mists and cata were consecutive
fervent frost
Nothing really goes by Anduin book. If it did, we would have fraggin peace already and no fraction whatsoever.
lusty grotto
they should have enough to write something for a 1 faction thing after this expansion
fervent frost
But noooo. Let’s burn the world Sylvanas style. Or hate each other Tyranda and Greyman style. Wtf chill out ppl.
primal sable
nah
they couldn't unite the factions when we were against a fuggin titan
some splashing around contested water isnt gonna feel right
lusty grotto
i mean technically they were
the whole voljin getting stabbed thing was an excuse
and then sylvanas vs greymane
but that was quickly dropped
the question is... is there any benefit both gameplay and storywise to keeping the 2 factions?
here comes the old god n'zoth, oh hey lets unite them
here comes the void lords after that
then... horde vs alliance forever?
lusty grotto
well to be honest i dont think they could write an alliance of factions again after what has happened... it would be a giant wtf
now that i think about it
primal sable
i dont think corporate would let them either way
theres money to be had in faction changes
lusty grotto
but gameplay wise it would be great, especially for alliance if we could group cross-faction
that's true
fervent frost
They’re like two big countries with occasional conflicts near the borders. But it’s hard to imagine full fledged peace between them. Too many bloodshed of past.
umbral forge
yeah idc about that. Just have the player characters cooperate.
lusty grotto
well to be fair it was medivh who brought them
they didnt just decide to invade without a puppet master
umbral forge
to be fair the titans made all the playable races except trolls and potentially Draenei
fervent frost
Dranei are actually too.
primal sable
medivh was as much a puppet as they were tho
lusty grotto
of course
the puppet master was sargeras :p
same guy that got the draenei on draenor basically
fervent frost
Holy shit guys. I just realized. We had fraggin cosmos and aliens in this game. And space ships.
lusty grotto
i gotta say i was.... weirded out by the legion having spaceships
they are supposed to be demons
fervent frost
But sargeras was corrupted by the void and old gods. So blame tentacle for all conflicts in the space.
lusty grotto
sargeras wanted to end the void
lusty grotto
that was his #1 plan
fervent frost
Space demons! Though where else you could find something like that? Original idea.
lusty grotto
when classic comes out
hell
even in wc3
and prior rts
you see demons as... demons
then legion comes out and wtf
fervent frost
Yes, but Sargeras made biggest Main cool hero mistake. He went battling alone. So of course he frag it up.
Well they never told us where demons came from. Well except the fact that they crush from the sky.
...
Even in wc3.
primal sable
demons come from the twisting nether
lusty grotto
also demons are really a hodgepodge of races
fervent frost
There is only a part of it.
lusty grotto
there really isn't a one race that is demon
nah twisting nether is a different plane of existence
i think they retconned it so that all races considered demonic had their souls in the twisting nether so if they died they could come back
primal sable
yea
lusty grotto
so there really isn't just 1 race of demons that comes from the nether
primal sable
all demons are revived in the twisting nether
the only way to kill them for good is to kill them over there i think
ionic fern
Man you guys are really going deep with this huh.
lusty grotto
yeah
fervent frost
Yes but then... how did we manage to kill all demons in Argus then?
primal sable
i fucking love wow lore
lusty grotto
we didn't
fervent frost
It wasn’t nether.
primal sable
the early stuff is so exciting to read
umbral forge
argus is nether
lusty grotto
on the argus story
umbral forge
Like literally. The Twisting Nether was powered by the titan soul Argus IIRC
fervent frost
I forgot already.
lusty grotto
they did something with the connection to the twisting nether
so basically all demons you killed are perma dead
because prior to that you had to go into the nether to kill them like you did archimonde in HFC and the mage tower dude
kruul
primal sable
i think they just put some places in the nether
cause it would be retarded to retcon the whole thing like that
their writers must be braindead if thats the case
lusty grotto
i think the nether still exists
it was cut off though
pretty sure its on the argus quests
primal sable
thats an okay change i guess
lusty grotto
its not so much that some places are placed in the nether, its more like you were transported to the nether in that encounter
since it's kind of like a parallel dimension kind of
anyway im out its late as hell
umbral forge
Did a +10
Ele shaman saved earth elemental for reaping every time.
Despite me telling him not to.
Why live
empty inlet
anyone know stats prio in dungeon ?
undone sun
doesn't change
ionic fern
^
empty inlet
so haste verse?
ionic fern
Ilvl->Haste=> everything else.
old zephyr
Crit gets more repliable in dj but it is not bad in raid either
crisp pecan
i am struggling for 3 days theer as well maybe someone figured out how to track particular cast, chemicsl burn in motherlode specificaly, i cant find any option that would give me timer on screen to rack it
track*
crisp pecan
maybe some WA for that? seen some dungeon tools
oblique garnet
@crisp pecan the first one is the target closest to the boss so if youre closest it will be on you
crisp pecan
i see nothing in DBM
crisp pecan
maybe i should use this
dbm is lagging so much that i only see who GOT debuff, after cast
which is bullshit
elder summit
i am looking the m+ warriors on leaderboards and they have traits that looks weird for me
for example x3 thunder clap trait
or x3 avatar traits
oblique garnet
its for maximum damage
ionic fern
It's purely for DPS.
elder summit
ahh
right now i have 2 lifespeed 2 callous reprisal 2 iron fortress 1 ablative shielding 1 deafenind crash and 1 brace for impact
i only tank m+ so there is something should i change?
oblique garnet
Deattu you wanna try timing +15 with only prots some week?
warm plinth
elder summit
x3 bastion of might?
oblique garnet
everyone just taunts and reflects
old zephyr
UR First boss would be fun with 5 of us
warm plinth
First boss off Temple would be interesting 😏
Kill with only spell reflect; no other damage
oblique garnet
🤔 what happens if 4 of the 5 prots reflect at the same time
knotty wagon
I wonder if MDI is gonna do that on tyranical, take 4 prot warriors and a healer, then have them leave instance change spec to like fury lmao
hollow thorn
You lock in class and spec b4 dungeon starts
then u can just swap 1 char per dung
if they are keeping rules from blizzcon
pulsar lodge
when does MDI start plz ??
hollow thorn
Time trials are starting soon
knotty wagon
will they be streamed?
hollow thorn
Probably not
Some ppl will
but its about tactics and ways to complete it asap
u dont wanna give ur tacts away and potentially losing a spot
lime mantle
I read UR tyrannical with 5 prot wars and now I am laughing maniacally at work thanks.
Also isn’t the engineer head really, really good even without BoM?
hollow thorn
its good yes, i wouldnt say really really good tho
outer dew
Garbage
Barrage of many bombs tilts me
Shittiest trait
How to pull shit you didn't know you could
old zephyr
Gizmo is amazing though
weary nacelle
Guys, excuse me for the question, but what was again we are dealing with on 3rd boss in ML. She seems to be doing huge dmg where i barely see any hits coming from the boss.
outer dew
And brick the key
old zephyr
she deals only magic damage
outer dew
SR every dot. Never SB rotate cds with your healer
old zephyr
so spend all your range on IP
sick sentinel
Ay good morning
weary nacelle
Understood. What is it that you spell reflect exactly?
sick sentinel
I was pinged
umbral forge
chemical burn IIRC
sick sentinel
Chemical burn
DBM doesn't track it except if you have enabled a special thing
Little wings tracks it tho
@outer dew this is why you use gismo
ionic fern
Little wigs tracks it ROUGHLY..it can be off a bit.
weary nacelle
I see. That's why i never had any notification and I was like .. hey what's killing me 😄 Well, we didn't wipe, but it was close.
outer dew
Have the meele that will soak with you walk into it
undone sun
boss mods usually track when the ability comes off cd, but the enemy doesn't always cast on cd
outer dew
And have him eat the first one
And then step in with ST
SR
To make sure you always get the SR off
sick sentinel
Unsurprisingly enough even people at +19 don't know how to do 3rd boss of ML properly
I had to explain it to them
sick sentinel
We fucking progressed it
hollow thorn
like really good after the changes to bolster
outer dew
Lol, I thought KR spawns wouldn't bolster
hollow thorn
They will
hollow thorn
Shrine is so easy this week
outer dew
Esp if you're use to skipping every mini boss anyway
oblique garnet
this week is pretty easy in general
hollow thorn
Legit a pog push week
hollow thorn
Bolstering is not nearly as punishing now
weary nacelle
what has changed to bolstering?
sick sentinel
@vale stratus you pinged me right as I went to sleep, you don't use barrage of many bombs because even though it sims better, it only does its full damage on a static target, but in mythic plus you are moving like most of the time and your bombs can and will miss.
That's why the recommended trait from the guide and me is gismo, because both a str proc and a haste proc are good and they have both an offensive and a defensive benefit
outer dew
More like
Barrage will pull things you never knew existed
Did you know theres a fear mob in wcm?
Oh and the maggots dont bolster anymore
Huge change
hollow thorn
Initiates in Shrine dont either
hollow thorn
Even dredged sailors dont bolster anymore
sweet kettle
Yeah until somebody fked up the damage and you end up with a 1mhp initiate
hollow thorn
Initiates were easy to plan around
but not planning around them saves u literal minutes
outer dew
not really
You just sap blind
Pull them all
Drop in water
Then double pull after
sweet kettle
Sounds like fun
outer dew
I watched a blob one shot a healer
hollow thorn
lmao
sweet kettle
Everybody was like it's just a blob what can it do then you witness chaos
oblique garnet
fuck infested
sweet kettle
^^
sick sentinel
^^^
hollow thorn
^^^^
halcyon perch
Anyone got some advice for sheild block/ignore pain usage?
oblique garnet
When youre taking physical damage a.k.a almost always in m+ and tanking mobs prioritise shield block use IP to smooth out the damage
halcyon perch
When you say keep it up, you mean trying to have it up as frequently as possible?
halcyon perch
im not to sure, not playing rn
oblique garnet
you basically go 3 shieldblocks then you use last stand to recover the charges then 3 shieldlbocks again
rotate around that
fill in the gaps with shield wall etc etc
halcyon perch
thats what confuses me though, because a rotation like that and ill end up not having my CD’s during big damage moments
old zephyr
Block is almost as good as wall
halcyon perch
okay, so to be sure your saying use sheild block till its drops then re up on it 3 times
old zephyr
depends on the contetn
knotty wagon
+13 SoB bolster fortified
old zephyr
on M+ yeah, in MM raid myabe not
halcyon perch
after that use wall/last stand
oblique garnet
if youre using bolster talent which you should
old zephyr
Sabo, this week?
halcyon perch
fill in with ignore/revenge
all while keeping demo shout thunder and sheild slam regularly
yep i got bolster
halcyon perch
really? why is that?
sick sentinel
You need rage for SB/IP
old zephyr
so 40K Hps or smths
or worse, a missed SB
if the pull is small, the damage from rveenge is irelevant (just devastate)
oblique garnet
🤔
old zephyr
if the damage is relevent, then the pull is big enough for revenge to be free 90% of the time
halcyon perch
@old zephyr alright that makes my rotation alot more straight forward
old zephyr
When you get to know the pulls, your healer and your abilities, you can start weaving some revenge (not free) in there but to begin just avoid that
halcyon perch
well thats just the thing, im not exactly just begginning so im trying to maximize my play. so how exactly would revenge be mixed in?
sick sentinel
Track you IP
narrow abyss
When it’s free. You add more and more revenge the more comfortable you get with the rotation
sick sentinel
PB read what we told him before you repeat what we said
halcyon perch
@oblique garnet thats a dooe beat bro lol
sick sentinel
Late go to sleep you're drunk
oblique garnet
Im not drunk yet kage
sick sentinel
Basically, @halcyon perch get an IP tracker
halcyon perch
whats that?
old zephyr
The answer to "when do I spend rage on revenge ?" is
"when it doesn't put me in danger, doesn't stress my healer, and doesn't force him to spend a GCD to heal instead of doing damage" (because his GCD will prob do more damage than that revenge).
when exactly oly you can tell.
an other valid answer is "to push DPS on single target spec (using devastator)" but that does impact on your defences A LOT
sick sentinel
That tracks how much ignore pain you have left
halcyon perch
@narrow abyss your good buddy, re assurance on stuff is nice
@sick sentinel pretty sure i already have one
narrow abyss
I mean if kaege and late agree on something it’s probably safe. Don’t need the whole choir
Generally
sick sentinel
I use revenge once as early as I can to spread deep wound on everything
And then I use rage on revenge if I have both SB and IP up
And 70+ rage
old zephyr
Yes
narrow abyss
Off GCD yeah
old zephyr
however it's okay to delay it a bit for a bigpull/reaping
avatar on CD
Demo shout on CD
sick sentinel
I prefer to not delay it as much as I can
narrow abyss
In avatar windows on big pulls if you’re comfortable you can get away with just TC/revenge back and forth
oblique garnet
I just use rage all the time to get cds back up as fast as possible
Dont really care if it caps ip or not
sick sentinel
Because I end up delaying for too long
Never cap rage yeah
Being at 100 rage is super bad
halcyon perch
so just to dumb it down for me rq i mainly keep sb and ip up as much as possible, use sw to smooth out if sb and ip have no charges left all while keeping avatar and demo shout up and when big damage comes i sprinkle in my defCD’s?
oblique garnet
What big defcds
narrow abyss
Kinda haha
oblique garnet
Im confused
sick sentinel
You use Last Stand to smooth out
narrow abyss
You prioritize maintaining SB
sick sentinel
I mean
old zephyr
Bolster (last stand) is to cover SB downtime
oblique garnet
Everything is part of the rotation
sick sentinel
^^ that thing
old zephyr
the only CD is arguably SW but you usually end up rotating it as well
narrow abyss
Focus on dumping rage to get your avatar and demo back
But not at the cost of being uncovered by SB
sick sentinel
Typing on phone is hard v_v
halcyon perch
okay and the way to dump rage is ip/rev
narrow abyss
Yup
halcyon perch
yea it is lol
old zephyr
on the rage dump thing : SS is usually better than TC on that end, even if it doesn't deal as much damage
halcyon perch
my fingys keep hittin wrong letters
narrow abyss
And me personally. I don’t feel bad about dumping Rage in IP if it’s overcapped alittle
Anger management is powerful
Get your shit back earlier
sick sentinel
Pb that's what you are supposed to do
oblique garnet
You prioritise shieldslam over tc because your shieldslam should be on cd all the time
The more rage you generate the more rage you can spend which results in lesser cds
sick sentinel
During massive pools I'm TC-revenge-tc-revenge spamming
halcyon perch
do either if you have any streams or sumthing i coukd see how yall are doin it?
sick sentinel
But I also use double CR
narrow abyss
Anger management is what facilitates using our defensive cooldowns as a rotation and maintain good uptime of everything
sick sentinel
Late streams sometimes
oblique garnet
I think my latest vod is just testing out some stuff from TR
halcyon perch
well see im pretty much only raid i dont do mythic plus’s anymore
sick sentinel
You can check out sense (he is snse on twitch and he also has uploaded YouTube videos)
oblique garnet
Sense has vids from raids
oblique garnet
Oh yeah
halcyon perch
ive been using sb/ip a fuck to and not knowing like why either of them should be used you know what i mean? kinda just choosing wich one to use randomly
sick sentinel
Oh wow
oblique garnet
I dont know how to explain the rotation because when i start thinking about it im not sure what im doing🤔
sick sentinel
Well that should be a massive improvement then
halcyon perch
@sick sentinel yea, i got into a heroic guild and weve been clearing BoD and rl has seen ita obvious i havent been playing properly so just the last week alone its been night and day difference after researching and using different resources
sick sentinel
Icy veins is all you need in my opinion
old zephyr
during raid due to tank swaps the previously stated rotation of CDs may change a little depending on your azerites, etc
it is "Okeyer" to delay avatar/demo for when you'll be actively tanking if you don't need to get SW/last stand back for exemple
also dumping rage on revenge when nothing is hitting you
sick sentinel
In raids you don't need to use SW rotationally and you can use it with SB/IP for big damage
old zephyr
Spell refelect is mostly a magic mitigaton tool rather that a DPS one as well
but there is specific Tricks to do with it on various bosses
rather than just hitting them in the face for 12000000000 damage with their own stuff
halcyon perch
@old zephyr yea but thats the funnest way to use sr lol
old zephyr
raidboss don't let you do that sadly
sick sentinel
oh guys wish me luck for my 425 gs shield in weekly chest 😄
knotty wagon
gl
cedar cave
Is there a haste treshold where you just want to spam thunderclap during avatar?
for aoe that is?
narrow abyss
Forget to lust on last boss temple and pop lust after boss buff 😂
old zephyr
more than 100% means you will not be able to TC on CD due to GCDs
so somewhere between those
good luck reaching that
sick sentinel
it is actually 200%
cedar cave
currently im not sure what my haste is with all buffs, but i see when i TC, then something, that my TC is up before that something finishes its GCD, so im thingking wouldnt be it better just to wait a bit and then TC again instead of ddoing that something, at least for aoe
sick sentinel
check your lag tolerance
steel mauve
we do not have a reachable haste cap, just go with higher ilvl for more stats instead of better stats
sick sentinel
I had that problem as well dindi
when my lag tolerance was at 400
now I have it at 150
cedar cave
mine is now 40ms
narrow abyss
40 is too short yeah
cedar cave
ah ok, blizz info said, i should set it to my ingame lag
sick sentinel
at 40 you get basically nothing and you have to absolutely SMASH your buttons
to make it worth it
knotty wagon
Whats the fastest way to get tidal cores?
narrow abyss
M0
knotty wagon
can you repeat M0 for them?
cedar cave
hmmm true, it feels better now with 150
knotty wagon
or just one per dungeon per week?
narrow abyss
No
Just do m+2 then
Yeah you’re gonna miss GCDs if you’re constantly button mashing with 40
If you’re not*
normal trellis
Gutripper, Unstable Flames or Ablative Shielding - what woudl you take?
brisk ferry
unstable flames
normal trellis
Cool, thanks!
knotty wagon
Unstable flames has really nice uptime
fossil jay
Hey anyone know how good the Strength in Numbers trait is for M+? like how often its up?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Absolutely smash buttons you say?
So you would say if i had my lag tolerance at 40 it would be good?
dusty pasture
hey anyone know how worth it is to stack ablative shielding for raids?
ionic fern
@dusty pasture
As a warrior you shouldn't really need to stack Ablative or for that matter don't even need it in raids.
It increases your armor but you're already strong vs physical attacks especially in raid where you don't have 100% uptime on most bosses so your SB/LS have time to come off CD again by the time you're tanking.
dusty pasture
yeah I assumed something like that, ill just use the best offence traits from that row then
ty for the help
lime lark
is Meticulous Scheming worth anything? for example taking MS over Bloodsport?
ionic fern
I've never played around with MS but you can probably ask @potent anvil about it
sick sentinel
I have played a lot with MS
and I absolutely love it
I took it over BS
now I have taken a second CR over it and I am cosidering swapping back
acoustic thunder
So searching on here and looking through Raider.io I'm generally confused how I should be enchanting/gemming. I see some with all +Haste while others are using +Mastery Gems w/ +Haste Enchants. What should I be aiming for stat wise to maximize survivability/DPS. I run both M+ and Raid.
ionic fern
What's the uptime on it in m+ Kaege?
sick sentinel
the same as my rezans
acoustic thunder
So what's the reasoning behind some warriors prioritizing Mastery?
sick sentinel
like 20-25%
if you want to maximize dps you go haste>crit but w/e
it's probably somebody that has enchanted for fury
ionic fern
Maybe they are playing arms/fury and are too lazy to swap gems/enchants
sick sentinel
and tanked a few dungeons
oblique garnet
i thought we established this
if you want best dps results crit/ haste was the best or?
tired hawk
Hello guys, I'd like to know if Intimidating Presence does stack or not
It reduces the movement speed of affected enemies by 50%, and prevents a small amount of damage from each affected enemy after Intimidating Shout end.
ionic fern
The damage amount probably stacks to some degree if it follows the general rules of other stacking traits.
@oblique garnet 🤔
tired hawk
ok thank you Mwahi 😃
dusty pasture
anyone know if there is any bleed that auto-self cauterizer doesnt work on?
oblique garnet
crit>haste
weary nacelle
@tired hawk if you hover your mouse on the middle circle on the traits page (the item level one), you should see information about all traits, and in green should be highlighted the properties of each trait that stack/benefit from multiple points on. Check if the damage prevented is in green and that should mean it stacks.
tired hawk
Oh ok I see what you mean
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel most fucked up thing tho
tired hawk
Well then ofc the slow doesn't stack but the damage prevented does
weary nacelle
i would believe it is exactly that way. 50% slow is already a good one, so i wouldn't expect this one to stack. But the dmg prevented seems legit.
ionic fern
The slow doesn't stack.
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel the build took around same amount of damage when faced with physical damage content as the vers one
ionic fern
undone sun
👌
elder summit
in UR second boss
when he use the skill i dont know the name in english in spanish is Indigestion, the only think i can do is spell reflect?
the aoe damage to the front of the boss
ionic fern
You can leap out of it and not take any damage.
elder summit
oh shit didnt thought it before
ionic fern
You can ask someone to stay behind you as well further away so you can Intervene to them.
Just be careful that you are not jumping to where your DPS'ers are standing since he will still follow you regarding direction you are moving but he doesn't move himself while casting.
undone sun
To add on to traits stacking...
There's also ways to find out which part of The trait stacks in and out of the game.
- go to wowhead and find the spell associated with the trait, moving the ilevel slider usually shows which 2) Hover over middle trait in the piece. Numbers that are highlighted in green are also the numbers that will scale with extra multiples of the trait. 3) Link the trait in chat and whichever stacks scales (and vice versa)
mossy canopy
hey just wonderin some others opinions. im running 3 bastions 1 iron fortress 1 brace and 1 clap. thinking about swapping for an ignore pain but bastion is so strong not sure if its worth unless its one of the other ones. what do yall think?
modern brook
I'm assuming all pieces you're talking about are 415, in which case, if you can swap BS for IF, consider doing so on dungeons like SotS and motherload
ellse your setup looks fine to me
narrow abyss
Agree
modern brook
thanks puzzle :^)
narrow abyss
❤
modern brook
really?
primal crypt
yup
modern brook
so my bdks are nerds?
modern brook
to the side?
narrow abyss
But it looks cooler and more dramatic when I leap out and in
modern brook
do you just start running back when the caast starts
primal crypt
I tend to save leap for maggots
dusk locust
i worgen run for those, otherwise yeah i'd probably save leap
wraith kestrel
what whould you pick between overwhelming power and ablative shielding?
narrow abyss
OP
modern brook
chad op vs virgin defensive trait
wraith kestrel
what about crystalline carapace vs unstable flames?
modern brook
both are good
I think CC is underrated
This discord while ride IF's dick to kingdom come but CC is basically IF on a separate ring
warped thorn
whats IF?
modern brook
Iron Fortress
full palm
What's riding dick?
primal crypt
Carapace is one of my favorites
modern brook
thats why ur one of my favroites yam
modern brook
nvm u fucking judas bitch 😠
primal crypt
Ahahahahahaha
narrow abyss
Hahahahahaha
primal crypt
Legit spit my coffee out
primal crypt
Top kek
modern brook
Honestly both options are really good
narrow abyss
I’d go UF as well ngl
modern brook
stats are hard to beat
acoustic thunder
I have the 400 ilvl Blockade chest and the 415 Champions chest. I'm using the 415 for iLvl. Is it worth using the 400 just for better secondary Azerite traits? Both pieces have BOM/DC.
modern brook
no
timber nest
Ilevel > everything
full palm
ilevel is god
modern brook
there are no 3rd rnig traits worth 15 ilvls
tardy berry
nah if you have no deafening crash
And you get a 5 ilvl downgrade with deafening crash and socket
ilvl lose
modern brook
sockets 👀
full palm
Hacks!
modern brook
Honestly at this point in the patch, if you have to drop ilvl for deafening crash, you're either a fresh reroll or the laziest player in existence
its on fucking everything
primal crypt
Has anyone received the new socket azerite pieces yet?
The meta sockets
Or whatever
Trying to get triple socket azerite gg
modern brook
havent even heard of it tbh
are they making azerite relic-centric like artifact weapons
cause i really hope they dont
that system sucked shit
weary nacelle
i think we will have info on that on Thursday during the Q&A. We should get answers on how is the neck piece getting changed and what's happening with the system in general.
But I think it's been confirmed changes are coming.
modern brook
Disappointing
sick sentinel
I do not like CC
modern brook
yeah u wouldnt 😠
restive pivot
hi guys
restive pivot
does fortified affect reaping mobs hp_
restive pivot
😄
chrome falcon
Strongly considering just stacking a shitload of crit in Time Trials
modern brook
are time trials m+?
restive pivot
anyone knows the answer?
primal crypt
Didnt have enough block uptime
chrome falcon
@primal crypt Yeah I figured, I'm probably just going full crit/haste. The less mastery I have the better BoM becomes
restive pivot
since the forti adds will have higher HP
primal crypt
Shit was scary
restive pivot
will reaping mobs have higher accordingly?
primal crypt
Especially on bosses, boiiii
chrome falcon
@primal crypt What traits are you running? I'm thinking 3x BoM 1x DC 1x BfI 1x IF
chrome falcon
Fuck I KNEW that was the big brain strategy
chrome falcon
Uh which helmet has bom/dc
primal crypt
You can pull more trash and clap them down
chrome falcon
is it the freehold one?
primal crypt
Sea brawler something I believe
restive pivot
thank you
modern brook
np google'd it
primal crypt
Lul
narrow abyss
Helm of abyssal malevolence has BOM DC
chrome falcon
@primal crypt What stat breakdown have you ended up on?
median fable
400 Rezans/410 Vial/405 Diamond/400 Block -- doing 13-16's
just stick with rezans vial?
chrome falcon
yeah
primal crypt
@chrome falcon somewhere around 25% crit
And then stack haste
Even as low as 23% crit
chrome falcon
i'm 21 crit 43 haste 24 mastery 2 vers
might want to rebalance those last 2 i guess lmao
chrome falcon
what trinkets are you thinking? a lot of that mastery comes from vial
narrow abyss
Haste crit is new truth?
primal crypt
@narrow abyss this for mdi
chrome falcon
nah this is just for time trials
narrow abyss
Oh