ok maybe I will try it 😄
#protection
rough egret
heavy chasm
It's really nice it's honestly... "reliable" lol
modern brook
🤷 i honestly think t3 engie helm is preference
absorbotron will always give 100% value
self caut has such a higher top end of value though, imo
heavy chasm
Yeah it's the more consistent choice
modern brook
the draw back being its RNG and proc based healing = prone to overhealing =not always getting 100% of its effect
rough egret
should I take the OP over UF in helmet then aswell?
modern brook
yes
OP has an internal cooldown on stack removal
so it only ever will drop at 2/s
halves the value of the trait, which just brings it to "slightly above" everything else, rather than "miles"
haste is v good and thats a fuck ton of it
rough egret
with ItF
winter aspen
would you take Earthling or Strength in numbers ?
oblique garnet
earthlink
sick sentinel
is eng helm considered top for that slot or only until you can get other 415?
oblique garnet
its top slot until you get a piece with BoM for m+
cold flame
oblique garnet
earthlink
neon tangle
@modern brook I might go for bulwark over vamp
modern brook
i think s2 makes vamp way too good
neon tangle
Reaping generally isn't very scary, especially when they're dying, while most situations that I'm tanking 4+ mobs is
modern brook
THe issue is the CD on Bulwark
if u get it pre-reap u wont have it during reap
where as VS is just a bunch of healing
oblique garnet
^
neon tangle
@oblique garnet @modern brook How many times have you died near the end of reaping
oblique garnet
many
modern brook
~like 4 ish this week
oblique garnet
but you benefit more from vamp speed since you are also pulling trash with reaping
modern brook
mostly cause i had to tank them w/o heals or at 40 stacks of necrotic because im a man
jovial haven
healer just needs to heal harder @modern brook
rigid stream
I died end of reap because my healer wanted to outheal the stacks
modern brook
oof thats not how the stakcs work :^(
jovial haven
it gets applied to the tank yes, but healers job is to heal through it
rigid stream
Pugs to real
40 stacks, I’m like man dispel me
He says he did but it reapplies right after
modern brook
LOL
neon tangle
Maybe my view of reaping is skewed
rigid stream
I’m like what are you doing here mate
modern brook
😮 i earth ele packs during fort and quad pulls during tyr
rigid stream
Yea reaps pretty cake
modern brook
so you dont even tank
neon tangle
I don’t really need to tank
modern brook
u just ufcking show up
modern brook
sadbox is the rich kid complaining his dad only got him a porche for his 16th birthday
😠
I run tol dagor
with no rogues
brisk rain
is 1h axe from waycrest any good?
modern brook
I am the salty spitoon
jovial haven
LuL
brisk rain
ok
lusty grotto
it is the worst 1 hander you can get
but its still good if your 1 hander is lower ilvl
jovial haven
my pally alt got 410 temple 1 hander from cache lol
jovial haven
yep
modern brook
huh did not know
modern brook
I've gotten way too many int/agi staves tbh
I just roll on them for mog and win
🤷
rigid stream
Unless our scribe is in the group
jovial haven
warrior has 1h from atal and shield from TD
modern brook
Did a Sots 13 with shadow pirest demolock :^(
rigid stream
Lol well considering I run with monk, spriest, dh, ret
We have to drums
Sadly my ele swapping to ret
sick sentinel
the 15 shrine I did to get my season 1 keystone master
was mage/hunter/boomie
Shrine is a much easier Dungeons with full range
heavy chasm
BOM 3 is better for plus then engin helm?
Really? I'd have a hard time giving up my gizmo fam
primal crypt
warm plinth
Holy shit
heavy chasm
I like my mini lust what can I say
modern brook
fuck you
lusty grotto
uhh
warm plinth
No leech though, rip
heavy chasm
Gratz. Now eat shit and die
lusty grotto
yamo how is that possible
heavy chasm
I'll link my fucking fang in a few hours
lusty grotto
are you on an alliance char?
wooden mesa
what fang?
agile cape
How do I tank
primal crypt
Not mine
wooden mesa
merekthas?
primal crypt
Joined a normal raid
heavy chasm
The only item I get from my cache yeah grizzle
dense flame
Is this week an okay push week?
modern brook
its not as bad as it sounds
Bolstering fort needs to be respected
prot ignores skittish
that said: fuck bolster fort
I've learned i hate on death effects
i just want to mongo pull 🤷
dense flame
Aye, does anyone have the weak aura that auto marks high HP target?
lusty grotto
i got FREEEEEhold
sick sentinel
At least they fixed on death affixs
dense flame
Think it marks it with moon
modern brook
usa usa usa usa
sick sentinel
Ohsah ohsah ohsah
lusty grotto
rofl
modern brook
p much
wooden mesa
yikes
modern brook
GEaring for defense is a very im bad at tanking thing to do
wooden mesa
so for def traits just IF and BFI
lusty grotto
looking at logs for gearing advice
sick sentinel
Yup
lusty grotto
???
dense flame
Hmmm yeah I can’t seem to find the weak aura that auto marks highest hp target.
modern brook
doesnt fucking matter blood
dps are loids
they aint targeting marks, if they can even download the wa
empty inlet
It's just way easier to pull shit that has similar hp.
jovial haven
dps just worried about meter padding
wooden mesa
LETS CLEAVE BRO
modern brook
"kill them even plz" GOT IT I WILL AOE EVERYTHING
dense flame
I mean, how do you pull fat this week
sick sentinel
By not playing this week
naive panther
Have good dps players
modern brook
^
dense flame
Last week didn’t let me clap long enough. I want to clap this week
jovial haven
there are good dps?
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
Don't have to worry about dps and splitting damage when u don't do a dungeon
jovial haven
that's it 4 prot warriors and a healer lets go
modern brook
lol healer
lusty grotto
pfft healer
sick sentinel
^
modern brook
whoever gets the VR proc just atkes the mobs
jovial haven
gotta carry someone
heavy chasm
Prot paladin healer
sick sentinel
Last stand is the only heal we need
dense flame
Fuck it I’ll just go ham then
modern brook
there u go
dense flame
jovial haven
both my bdk and warrior got 11 siege keys
empty inlet
P sure 4 prot can time a 20 for sure
sick sentinel
Just bring a monk for the debuff
empty inlet
Esp if it is shit like freehold
modern brook
u dont need monk debuff
sick sentinel
Just remember these words
dense flame
Hmmm I wanna use anchor gore, but prism/gore feels pretty good too. Decisions too strong
💪
modern brook
50%* attack damage!!
late cedar
Anchor gore or anchor vial for big claps?
dense flame
Anchor is honestly just too good IMO
sick sentinel
Anchor can lick the left side of my balls for being shit
warm plinth
Anchor is good though 🤔
sick sentinel
Anchor is just a weaker, discount vectis trinket
warm plinth
I think you should probably look at some logs with the anchor. It's pretty damn good lol.
dense flame
Was the weak aura I was thinking of
Highlights high HP target. Not sure if it marks the target with icon.
warm plinth
Lol i thought that was a bolster talent WA and I was really trying to think what it was useful for 😂
sick sentinel
Ok but do u need a wa for bolster
real obsidian
is there a WA that tracks historic damage to give you an idea of the source of damage you've taken over the last 10 seconds?
sick sentinel
Just turn on name plates
real obsidian
I used to have one last expac
dense flame
You honesty think
That dps
Look at the hp bars?
I mean to me it’s 4head. But aye
sick sentinel
Oh if its dps nvn
dense flame
Yeah if it marks the damn high hp mob at least you can make them cleave off that shit
modern brook
I mark myself with star because i am a star
dense flame
That’s actually huge brain @modern brook
modern brook
One day this disc will appreciate my huge brain
until then its appreciated thanks blood
dark junco
So I just want to make sure: there’s no way to get azerite veins on higher level azerite gear now, right?
modern brook
AV isnt that good tbh
dark junco
?? What?
modern brook
though i dont have an answer to your question directly
dark junco
Thats a freaking huge heal
modern brook
🤷 you have healers to heal you
which is a meme way of saying "proc based healing needs to be taken with lots of salt"
lots of it will be lost to overhealing
real obsidian
yo did they change how azerite gear is sourced? I remember back in like october there was rumblings of giving M+ a more reliable way to get the azerite gear
as opposed to praying for shoulders or w/e it was
modern brook
You cant get Azerite from Drops or the weekly chest
real obsidian
just raiding then?
modern brook
instead the weekly chest gives an exponential amount of currency to buy from a vendor
modern brook
and you can dust unused peices for that currency
it translates to a 415 1/3 weeks if you only ever do 1 10 a week
analog swift
Eh it’s arguably less grindy
modern brook
I've managed to roll a 415 4 times already
real obsidian
well grindy in the sense that you can make measurable progress on it
vs rolling some dice
analog swift
If you do a 15 every week you’ll be getting a mythic level piece pretty much every other week
analog swift
You’re still rolling dice but atleast knowing you’ll get another one in two weeks feels good
modern brook
you can grind a lot longer and get the exact piece you want
analog swift
AND that’s for a specific slot. Chest/shoulders/head
real obsidian
ah right okay
modern brook
but the general concensus is its not worth it cause of how much more expensive
analog swift
Yeah that’s dumb tho they made bis too expensive you have a better chance to get it through ransoms
Randoms*
analog swift
!
real obsidian
I mean if you ransom the right person... 😃
analog swift
Frickmath
modern brook
from both a keep my subs subbed perspective and a enjoying the measurable progress grind
the only downside to the current system is double rolling Worst in slots
which is really probably since 1/36 isnt hard to do
analog swift
Did that once 🙃
cinder pasture
Meanwhile I got 3 really good pieces on my first 3 buys 😄
analog swift
But scrapped em both did an 18 last night and bought a new good one today
analog swift
Tbh almost quite early bfa cuz deafening crash wasn’t in uldir
modern brook
the specific piece buying should be a end game reach
analog swift
And I hated the feel of prot warrior compared to legion.
analog swift
Eh
analog swift
It should be more efficient to save
But then you’re going four weeks with no mythic level piece
That should be the trade off
modern brook
'snot a trade off though
analog swift
Yeh. If you have a 400 pretty much any 415 is an upgrade
modern brook
slogging through 4 weeks of being undergeared so u can buy a BIS is a) not fun and b) instantly remedied after 4 weeks
its a time gate
which reddit says we hate
analog swift
That’s the trade off
modern brook
Snot a trade off
modern brook
thats not a meaningful decision though thats my point
analog swift
Hard disagree
umbral forge
@honest canopy I remembered.
The Pandaria leveling plate looks ok on Pandaren. And the MoP dungeon blues.
rest is bad.
analog swift
Early progression you gotta think ok what are the odds I’ll get X Y Z and from what boss
modern brook
BoM stacks everything 'cept how many IPs are applied when u avatar
analog swift
What do I need the most
I just don’t see the point in having a specific piece be able to be bought
modern brook
wolrd first guilds will just funnel gear to highest impact classes
analog swift
When it’s statistically faster to yolo random
dry cypress
So is BoM worth stacking?
analog swift
Yes
dry cypress
Haha thanks guys
analog swift
And there’s only one dc chest piece
modern brook
NPNP
dry cypress
hope you don't mind the questions
modern brook
ofc not
analog swift
It makes sense to save for bis
dry cypress
how do yall feel about blood sport vs callous
modern brook
because they added the 2nd ring
analog swift
Yeah sure
modern brook
CR is probably our worst trait
analog swift
I mean dc/bom is on everything
modern brook
Its not just dc /bom
analog swift
But right now for example I’m going for memey st build bom/bfi
modern brook
getting the trait you want/need isnt any where near as RNG centric as it was in 8.0
@dry cypress I believe the guides have a priority list for the azerite traits if you're struggling with which to pick
analog swift
Yeah ofc I think the rng is fine
dry cypress
Yeah mb
analog swift
Just bring down specific piece just enough so it statistically makes sense to get it if there’s only one
Make it even if it’s 2/6
That’s it
Because imo saving up for the bis/niche set is also fun
modern brook
they did a good job making it as exhaustive as possible; so i prefer to let him explain it.
analog swift
Also a magic damage build with 3x BS would be fun
modern brook
Counter point: double ring makes BiS azerite less impactful than 8.0; making BIS less efficient to buy than randoming lets players get mythic level azerites, and still feel like they have stuff to progress to
dry cypress
is it trash loaf
modern brook
- solves the issue of being super undergeared for a while -> content appropriate
- provides the carrot for longer
analog swift
I think just offering t does
Just offering randoms make it so you aren’t undergeared
Cuz right away it will always make sense to go for randoms
timber nest
lol from voldun emissary
modern brook
@dry cypress on the whole; most of the prot specific traits are more valuable than generic options
if you're unsure; chances are Prot option is better
analog swift
But like ok I just wanna build a niche set
Because now I have my base of bom/dc etc
Give me a goal to work toward that makes sense
Instead of slot machine
analog swift
“That makes sense”
modern brook
the current system encourages slot machines till you get whatever is statistically appropriate ->ticket exchange for your teddy bear of choice
Prot war is spoiled cause of how ez our gearing is
analog swift
But it will always make sense to go random
sick sentinel
Bull stop
modern brook
but even other specs that need 3x blank only random until they get 3x blank
analog swift
Even for specific so it never encourages saving for bis
sick sentinel
Ion is looking through the discords
sick sentinel
That's what the people want u to think
analog swift
I mean you can get shit luck
But if the slot machine only requires a nickel have a 1/5 chance of winning 200$. And black makes me pay $10 for the chance of winning $200 I’ll go for the slot machine even if I like blackjack
Regardless is the meme st bomx3+bfix3 yeah?
modern brook
MEME st is 3xrf 3x BFI
analog swift
Also got bis on monk today. Been a good day (despite getting jack shit from cache)
LOL
Will it really?
modern brook
and alot of your daamge is loaded into auto attacks
oblique garnet
meme ST is 3x BoM 2x RF 1 DC
modern brook
Meme ST is 3x dc 3x IF
analog swift
Why would you take dc without booming voice
opal peak
man i have too much azerite on monk
but not the head i want, gotta keep rolling, i wish monk azerite was as simple to get gud rolls as it is for war
naive panther
Meme st is 3 rf and maybe bom dc and non spec dps traits with devastator. Don’t even need one dc with that
empty inlet
At least it's not dk what are class traits :naroXD: :naroXD:
modern brook
yeah dk got shafted
dark lark
thanks RNG, got iron fort/brace for impact and bloodsport on my new 415 helm. have to reroll my 415 fury shoulders to get deafening crash back, and i lose a bastion of might
sick sentinel
Noticed some prot wars running a reckless fury azerite trait, for +700ish autoattack damage
I guess if you dont need the defensive traits it could help dps. Thoughts?
rigid stream
It’s one of the reason I rolled from bdk
undone sun
yes, it's competitive for ST damage @sick sentinel
rigid stream
Why play a class when the bonuses are generic tbh
sick sentinel
Think its worth taking over IF or BFI?
undone sun
probably, those two aren't really aimed for offensive
valid knot
is [Bastion of Might] x3 [Deafening Crash] x3 the dream and what to go for?
naive panther
For meme aoe dps. For being a tanky tank no
real obsidian
all some of us have are memes :/
naive panther
Beyond 1 dc it is just damage
Even some generic traits that gives stats at least have more hybrid potential.
Plus our strongest defensive offer some offensive power.
unborn island
does the lock gate skip in AD still work?
sick sentinel
you can swim around the wall aparently
lusty grotto
you waste more time doing that instead of just shrouding or just death pulling
sick sentinel
yep
naive panther
Death pulling us what we’ve been doing.
true plover
Lingering Sporepods two weeks in a row from the box. 420 this time
upbeat sage
Anyone messed with Vampiric speed trait? I can get a 2nd Gemhide or a vamp speed... could be nice for reap waves? eh
brisk ferry
Vampiric speed is nice in M+
upbeat sage
Ah yea it'd be 100% for m+.... neato
narrow abyss
You feel like the vamp speed is just pad on reaping
When I had I that’s kinda how I felt about it
opal peak
But if u pull reaping with other mobs it’s less padding and more real healing
oblique garnet
^
also theres alot of mobs when you do big pulls
that die at the same time
so its big chunks of healing
and the testing was done in TR without the reaping
where it was 10% of my overall hps
with reaping it would probably be more
empty inlet
Pin
lusty grotto
i find it funny that he spells his nickname so well
sick sentinel
tank u
empty inlet
:GWomoRaphiOhMy:
sick sentinel
frend mad name
lusty grotto
well thats the broken english award for the month
sick sentinel
ur mom
lusty grotto
this is why nobody invites rag/qt/azralon players :p
lusty grotto
ROFL
undone sun
😓
brisk ferry
Wtf
supple path
We don't have a Fryface emoji to indicate our skepticism. Rough.
lusty grotto
im conviced its just a dude trying too hard
undone sun
sick sentinel
Damnit
Fuck work
Did u test full sets with the highest possible stats to get any results @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel the tr set is around the same ilvl as my gear on live
But yes
I tested multiple variations of different sets
Put the vamp speed healing stayed the same on all sets
slow kiln
Is Anchor good for tanking? Would an anchor (405) on fortified weeks be worth using over Rezans (400)? 2nd trink is Alch stone (415)
lusty grotto
anchor is good for dps
it has 0 defensive value
rezan has defensive value
alch stone has defensive value
anchor has 0
its good for the deeps, but not for "tanking" as you put it
valid knot
Best trinket for m+?
lusty grotto
there is no best trinket for M+
slow kiln
Good point.
lusty grotto
there are several
valid knot
Need 2 replace a trinket. Wanna know what go aim for. Getting alch trinket for second spot
Rezan seem good tho
lusty grotto
kinda hard to answer that without context
do you want a defensive trinket or an offensive one?
for both rezan is good
warm plinth
Has anyone done FH and seen if the little rats do bolstering yet?
valid knot
Honestly i just want what is best for pushing m+
lusty grotto
there is no best
best is whatever is higher ilvl of rezan/vial/butcherblock/RAGE/anchor/diamond
trim bay
Best horde race for prot? Is Zandalari any good? They look awesome.
valid knot
Ok cool ty
glacial olive
do any of you ever use treacherous covenant for farm clear memes?
stone cloud
That would mean losing Bastions tho
oblique garnet
Not really
stone cloud
1 for sure
oblique garnet
You can get 3x BoM 2 TC 1 DC
stone cloud
Is bastion/TC on same tier
Champs chest I’m pretty sure is dc outter and bastion/TC on second
I could be wrong tho
oblique garnet
Im pretty sure i made a set with 3 BoM 2 TC 1 DC on TR
sick sentinel
@warm plinth they fixed on death from not proccing on certain adds
neon tangle
While you’re at it take find a piece with rezans fury
warm plinth
I know, but I didn't know if it was going to include those since they're actually part of a trash pack
sick sentinel
From what I'm assuming it's any trash that's not elite
warm plinth
Yeah that's kind of what I assumed too
sick sentinel
Since they are considered low health
stone cloud
sick sentinel
They still might since it's only 2 of them
oblique garnet
They no longer trigger reaping
warm plinth
I was gonna ask you if you checked on it Late, but you're EU 😦
sick sentinel
He's a smelly eu boi
oblique garnet
Fight me
glacial olive
@stone cloud DC is pretty weak if you run devastator though isnt it?
Purely ST offensively
dry cypress
Hey how are 415 engineering goggles?
sick sentinel
Good if ur weak
winter aspen
not bad, not good either
narrow abyss
It’s really decent
dry cypress
Haha yall be scaring me
warm plinth
It's actually funny to me to see how different responses are to that question
winter aspen
its a GOOD piece till you get BoM and DC one
narrow abyss
Yup
Exactly
But you get dc. Gizmo plus rezan proc feels like minilust. It really isn’t bad
sick sentinel
If that's the raid helm for op that's better imo
warm plinth
Yes, Ablative Shielding stacks.
narrow abyss
I think it’s missing BOM/DC or something
warm plinth
But only the actual armor amount. The health % and the duration stay the same.
dry cypress
its missing both yeah
narrow abyss
BFI/BS and then IF/Seductive power
lucid kelp
rip
the other tank in my guild got a 415 Rezan's gleaming eye out of his chest
while I got an Expulsom..XD
sturdy condor
warped thorn
how do you consistently drop stacks solo on first boss of raid?
stoic pilot
In mythic towards the end of the prayer use spell reflect
warped thorn
is there a weakaura that shows the timer of when sacred blade is about to be cast?
my t23 weakaura set doesnt show it
and bigwigs doesnt either
stone cloud
It’s every meele no?
unborn island
You basically use it right before the end of prayer, then the boss will do wave of light then melee you
If you use it right at the end of prayer, you reflect the last melee and all gucci
Or better still, just take 3 tanks
lusty grotto
its easy enough to reset
warm plinth
Has anyone actually simmed/tested BoMx3 vs RNG+BoMx2? Haste and strength both pretty far outpace mastery in both Patchwerk and HAC for me (the two stats RNG gives). I'm not sure if that trait is in the module or not but I think it'd be worth checking out before just saying it's worse because it doesn't have DC/BoM.
Speaking of the engineering goggles if that wasn't obvious
sick sentinel
you can actually do first boss of BoD as 1/1/18
supple path
Last couple times I've done mythic champs I've had issues with spell reflect getting consumed by reckoning nonsense instead of the sacred blades.
warm plinth
I'm aware, but you get more AP when you get AP from RNG, and is our strongest DPS and defensive secondary.
and haste is our strongest DPS and defensive secondary*
sick sentinel
yeah but the haste means you get the next avatar faster
warm plinth
That too
I just don't think it's as cut and dried as people are making it out to be. I bet it's at least close, if not RNG coming out on top.
distant crystal
i'm sure it's close
doubt it''s on top for dps
i mean barrage might even beat rng for aoe dps
sick sentinel
between OP/gismo/quick nav/rezans and my (now not used merticulous scheeming) I had always a haste proc active
little bough
Do u want to stack up BoM or just have one of this trait aswell?
warm plinth
Typically you stack it; we use it for the mastery (which stacks), not the IP (which doesn't).
distant crystal
bored tho so i'm simming engi goggle combos vs my sea brawler's greathelm
for HaC
warm plinth
👌
warm plinth
So that's Barrage+DC, RNG+DC, BoM+DC?
warm plinth
So if the BoM one had OP on it, it would probably be in the middle of the two
of the other two*
distant crystal
likely ya
but that's still over a 5min fight, i still like BoM for the guaranteed fat claps during ava
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm sure the control counts for something, definitely.
distant crystal
and IP's during ava are yuuuge
kinda tempted to use the jade helm for the real memes
BoM Treach HmC
warm plinth
I think if you're going for pure DPS, TC is gonna be nice
Or is nice I should say
Since we spend plenty of time over 50% and the negative effect doesn't happen unless you're already under 20% when the hit lands (in which case a prot warrior is likely in a world of shit anyway)
distant crystal
last stand becomes a dps cd >:D
distant crystal
true frees up a good bit of rage
warm plinth
Well, technically you lose damage at the same time, since the block from bolster doesn't increase SS damage
winter aspen
Thats not that noticeable in aoe
distant crystal
i have a bad habit of using last stand
then continuing to use SB
_<
it's just muscle memory
winter aspen
yeah thats terrible habit
warm plinth
Yeah I was the same way for a while. Still slip up from time to time
distant crystal
yeah it's usually just the first one during stand
winter aspen
still better than ppl holding last stand till they nearly ead
warm plinth
And yeah I know it's not that noticeable in AoE, but still worth mentioning since we do cast SS in AoE if we have no Revenge procs, between TCs
winter aspen
*dead
distant crystal
then i curse myself
sand kettle
Does Alch trinket proc more with more targets?
distant crystal
don't think so
it procs a ton either way tho
think i was seeing like 35% uptime
sand kettle
Im looking at it in my raid logs trying to figure out the difference in uptimes
RNG I guess
some fights is 15%, some fights is closer to 40%
stark sage
sand kettle
I just asked because it reads differently than my rezan's trinket, "When you heal or deal damage you have a chance..." vs "Your attacks have a chance..."
stark sage
mostly a tooltip inconsistency to include healers
sand kettle
Yeah that makes sense
stark sage
but yeah that wording would lead me to believe it could have a different interaction than normal trinkets especially when talking about aoe
warm plinth
Trinkets that have a chance at something typically do not proc more with multiple targets, since most are a certain PPM
stark sage
right, in the past it caused scaling issues
so its been normalized to keep balance in check
warm plinth
You could say that some trinkets technically do for us, because we gain haste in AoE situations and some procs are modified by haste, such as the alc trinket
distant crystal
sometimes more targets can smooth out the variance though
stark sage
sure, more rage income more haste will improve the amount of procs you get
but its a side effect of aoe
sand kettle
Does IP count as healing for alch proc?
sand kettle
I think the tooltip is weird on it, because I get it when running around in the overworld on my druid
stark sage
doesnt druid have a healing aura
sand kettle
Feels like with Dash or wild charge, maybe Ysera's gift though
distant crystal
lot of things count as spells
sand kettle
"heal or deal damage" is alch tooltip
stark sage
true
distant crystal
the king's rest cape you can just wiggle in place and stack up that world boe trinket
sand kettle
I wonder if it counts spellcasts instead?
stark sage
i think yseras gift is more of a heal than IP is though
distant crystal
and it also procs the alch trinket
warm plinth
So Ysera's Gift could count theoretically, though I dont' know if it does.
warm plinth
Yeah
sand kettle
Yeah it is
warm plinth
3% hp every 5 seconds
stark sage
yeah proper healing of others is different then a self absorb
sand kettle
IP is affected by vers though isnt it?
warm plinth
Yes
stark sage
yea
sand kettle
like the healing increase from vers
warm plinth
No
stark sage
just the formula
sand kettle
So in that instance it counts as healing?
warm plinth
It's affected by vers because vers is part of its calculation
stark sage
has a verse scaling on it
grand drum
How good is the servant splitter proc? should i drop it for a equal ilvl wep with secondaries?
warm plinth
Yes. The proc is really good for pure ST DPS but trash outside of that.
Weapon DPS is still important enough that I would always use it if it was my highest ilevel, but you can definitely drop it for equal ilevel with secondaries instead of proc
grand drum
then into the trash it goes :p
ivory swallow
Quick question: Generally speaking is there such a thing as too much haste as prot? I've got 1900 haste
regal saddle
warm plinth
No, there's not @ivory swallow.
ivory swallow
Merci,
finite hornet
Should I be using shield block while last stand is up with the Bolster talent or just be using my rage for ignore pain?
undone sun
dont overlap sb and ls
young marlin
Alright guys, 415 helm. Filthy tranfusion or Iron Fortress?
marble cipher
If
valid scaffold
Could someone please point me in the right direction to find a good "die to jaina before frozen macro"? I've tried to make one and I don't think it covers enough of the heals put on me.
dusky sentinel
hey guys. been gone awhile. Can anyone explain how warriors went from sheit to top m+ contenders? 😛 Just saw the ranks. It doesnt matter for me. im a +6 player 😛 Just curious what they did 😃
restive matrix
Prot can use spell reflect on the throw, so unless you have 2 prot warrs, would figure you should be taking the throw
quiet kettle
havent checked in here in awhile, crit vs vers in m+?
supple path
Pretty even. Not sure if there's a faint bias towards one in otherwise equal circumstances...but if there is it probably changes depending on your stats.
@dusky sentinel Prot was already decent, then they removed IP GCD, added ability to block ranged attacks, reduced shield block CD by 2 seconds, and gave us a few more % on sta/armor from vanguard. That combined with Bastion of Might being really great in M+, and reaping being a really prot-warrior friendly seasonal affix.
undone sun
and nerfed blood
supple path
Oh right, bonestorm, their necropolis passive, and necrotic going physical really wrecked one of their advantages - warriors are actually better at necrotic than DKs now imo.
quiet kettle
from nearly healer ive talked with, brews and prot wars are easiest to heal in m+
esp during necrotic weeks
restive matrix
Prot DPS is also just insane for M+
plush pagoda
bonded souls or brace for impact?
sick sentinel
@distant crystal you do not use barrage of many bombs in mplus
@plush pagoda brace
@regal saddle you can but does not mean you should
astral crystal
are deflects on m jaina parries or something else?
p2 hype bois first night proggers
vale stratus
@sick sentinel What do you mean you do not use barrage of many bombs?
dusky sentinel
@supple path Last time I was around almost everyone played DK or brew cause they thought the GCD on everything was sheit. + rage cost etc. But hey. That was awhile ago
shut summit
@astral crystal parry
astral crystal
ty
dusky sentinel
I know its not the right channel but I like it here. Have they said anything regarding flying part 2 yet?
lusty grotto
if i had to guess, id say 8.2
undone sun
no duration differences
cold plover
had some raid change ups and me and another new tank going through heroic raid for first time lmao. how many stacks to swap on jadefire?
warm plinth
I would agree with Nim; I think Pathfinder part 2 will be 8.2; that's when it was in Legion as well.
astral crystal
m jaina is the buggiest piece of shit woooow
undone sun
almost got me with the flying part 2, read like flying was already out
undone sun
lol pretty much
warm plinth
tries to click the link Idk, link is broken
Idk they look fine to me
DC or IF, CR is pretty good for M+, Unstable Flames is solid, and both the defensive traits are pretty good.
knotty wagon
theres no BoM 😦
warm plinth
Yeah, that's definitely a negative, but I wouldn't call them really bad. Not what you would call the best, but definitely not terrible.
knotty wagon
Are any shoulders worse
warm plinth
I don't have all of the shoulders in the game memorized, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
If they are the worst, then I'd be happy knowing that the worst you can get is decent lol
knotty wagon
I went IF / Callous
warm plinth
I probably would have too if I already had a DC on another piece
long phoenix
tips for M rasta? bownsam is molesting me
long phoenix
how so?
signal plover
5 min mark is rekkin our bottom team
long phoenix
o
long phoenix
swapping from bowon to rasta
signal plover
are you getting caress when you swap?
long phoenix
ya
signal plover
you'll need to save SW foir that
or hav ea pally sac you
and SR the scorching det from the other tank's explosion
it's a big dmg spike
long phoenix
right on i'll do that next pull we are fairly early into prog so any other tips?
thanks again
long phoenix
ya
signal plover
rasta starts hitting a lot harder in P3
astral crystal
who's your co-tank?
also if you're going to swap, the swap has to happen pretty quick since you dont want to have death's caress on you when you go back to rastaman
long phoenix
brew
signal plover
do u have a resto sham?
long phoenix
ya
signal plover
ok here's what i'd reccomend that's worked for us well with brm/prot warr
brm starts, we swap on first scorching (sometimes brm will get this first caress but it'll usually go on me), you SW thaere, then hold bwom til next deaths caress, you die on purpose there with a rez totem, take that (make sure healers watch you when u rez, you'll be at low HP...we use a lay on hands here), then hold it until the next scorching where we swap back
ill DM you my 1st kill pov
hollow relic
hey guys. question - is stacking TC worth it? or is that a bad move
sick sentinel
The trait?
hollow relic
yes
sick sentinel
It's very bad to stack it as a tank
Because if u dip, ur taking 30-45% increased damaged
And at 20%, thats a lot of unnecessary damage taken
hollow relic
yes but , that's only when below 15 % - so wouldn't we benefit from it not only in dmg but also from DR since its strength while we have it ?
sick sentinel
You'd be surprised how often in raids/m+ ud be near 20% if something goes wrong
Which is common
If ur looking for damage, BoM out classes it
hollow relic
wasnt super concern about dmg since being a warrior am already pulling a lot of dmg as a tank, i just thought - the dmg + the low dr , it gives while above 50% would be worth the gamble -
warm plinth
That's not accurate. Firstly, the damage taken does not stack; it's 15% no matter how many traits you have. Secondly, only hits that occur while you're already below 20% are increased; hits that bring you below 20% are not affected. Also, I would be shocked if BoM was more damage than this in normal circumstances; strength is a much better DPS stat than mastery and it's easily 80% uptime with proper play.
The only time I would recommend against taking it is progression raiding (because why risk it, even if you think it's fine), or pushing super high keys.
hollow relic
thanks for info
astral crystal
dude wtf
what is happening with jaina
i cant wait til dumbass ion gets to her and the fight gets fixed
this is beyond fucked
honest canopy
Morning friends
lusty grotto
does anyone know if you can repeat killing ivus for token?
ive tried and i cant get the bonus roll to pop
sick sentinel
Wow. Is there a way to ban people from giving advice because that was the single most uneducated advice given from @sick sentinel
lusty grotto
people are allowed to be wrongf
stoic pilot
Surprised it’s this far into expansion and people don’t understand how trait stacking works though
lusty grotto
why are you surprised
people doing super high keys are not looking to stack it
therefore can be misinformed because they aren't using it
it's not a big deal
INR is a regular in this channel
yes he should know better, but let's not be assholes about it
stoic pilot
Sure, I’ll drop it then.
narrow abyss
everyone's wrong about random details once in a while
and it's not TC is a super commonly used trait like BOM
stoic pilot
Just figured it’s common sense, every trait stacks the same at this point. If the trait made you take up to 45% more dmg that would be absurd
undone sun
Being wrong is one thing, advising others based on your wrongness is another @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
point taken
warm plinth
@lusty grotto You should be able to kill him again and bonus roll if you didn't bonus roll on the first one. I've done it a couple of times when I forgot to get a token.
lusty grotto
yeah i killed him again on my rogue and no bonus roll
warm plinth
RIP :/
lusty grotto
ill try relogging
lusty grotto
odd
undone sun
🍝
warm plinth
Someone needs to just copy that emoji and make the shortcut for it :blizzardcode:
lusty grotto
rofl
so apparently ive read multiple things, from /reloading to relogging
and an apparent bug that prevents you to bonus roll on other bosses and stuff
willow fractal
is it worth spell reflecting on jadefire masters when your tanking the mage...is it worth spell reflecting the fireball ..i ask cause when u do spell reflect it it ends up stacking on the boss but when it explodes it still does dmg to the raid
sick sentinel
The obvious and most common answer ur gonna get is Blood elf
Because a 3 minute purge is "Good"
knotty wagon
and what is your opinion
lusty grotto
just go with whatever looks good
blood elf is kind of the only one with decent utility for M+
the other racials are just for marginal dps gains
sick sentinel
^
knotty wagon
NIm, I dont go with anything that goes bad
lusty grotto
with undead being the highest dps
stoic pilot
Do a test class trial because maghar roars got really annoying for me
knotty wagon
I'm leaning towards highmountain Tauren, Belf, or Mag'har
lusty grotto
sounds good
sick sentinel
spend more
lusty grotto
OG orc also has the unique thing that they turn into dwarves in BoD, same for ... uhh maghar which turns into Dark Iron? but i could be wrong so you can clear bleeds easily on conclave
umbral forge
@honest canopy did you read my ping to you?
@knotty wagon Tauren Warrior looks cool if you have one of few transmog that works on them.
Female orc is the best if you use helmets imho.
sick sentinel
Maghar does turn into DiD
honest canopy
Naw it bugged out Jettom
I saw the notification on the phone
But not what you wrote
warm plinth
You can click the @ sign in the top right and it'll show your mentions
real thunder
Sorry if it's been asked and answered but i checked the pins and the guides-resources-faq section, is there somewhere that tells you what boss abilities are blockable in the BoD raid?
knotty wagon
I'll probably jsut go bloodelf tbh
warm plinth
It's the blockable/reflectable spreadsheet in #268491842637660160 @real thunder
umbral forge
Try using Pandaria plate gear on Pandaren. It looks surprisingly okay. Like it still looks like [censored] but less than non-pandaria gear.
The leveling gear or the dungeon blues in particular look great, or the stuff from timeless isle.
warm plinth
https://goo.gl/Tb49B3 Here's the link
knotty wagon
I will not play a panda
real thunder
tyvm!
warm plinth
No worries
knotty wagon
They would need the sickest herritage armor imaginable
warm plinth
It's gonna be stupid; you know it is.
It's gonna be some knock-off asian heritage bullshit
honest canopy
Ah yeah Jettom
umbral forge
@knotty wagon yeah don't play a pandaren ever. Nikkj did it in a moment of insanity
honest canopy
There is a Dungeon set thats darkish that looks excellent on panda
umbral forge
Yeah
sick sentinel
Did they get the covteous shen guy from Diablo 3 to do VO at all during MoP @warm plinth
umbral forge
I used it on my 85 Pandaren warrior twink I had forgotten about until I woke up today and just went "Motherpotter, I should tell Nikkj"
warm plinth
"Motherpotter" lul
sick sentinel
Holy shit
warm plinth
Uh, according to wowpedia, he did the voice for Master Bruised Paw in Valley of the Four Winds
He's the dude that gives those quests "Trial of Bamboo/Wood/Stone"
sick sentinel
Then it wasn't offensive enough
umbral forge
God I miss Mists.
honest canopy
haha
When I mad it i was like, "No, I cannot have any beard, all of it are like chopchineese mustaches"
-_-
umbral forge
no
warm plinth
Eh, transmog looks awful on forsaken
umbral forge
^
sick sentinel
Forsaken are just awful
umbral forge
they have the worst melee animations in the game unless you're a Rogue
knotty wagon
i'm checking all transmog right now
sick sentinel
Just remember, the true game is never about how much dps u can deal, can take or even heal
sick sentinel
Its all about looking the best
umbral forge
Like, Draenei have the best ones. Then there's the rest which are kind of wobbly daddy, then on the lower end of the spectrum you get Pandaren, then after this race known as "Goblins" you get The Forsaken.
Try out their combat animations. They're horrid
knotty wagon
with the cute flourish spin
honest canopy
Btw, I wont racechange. Since you all hate so much, I am feeling like that specialneeds guy who did ride a Monoski at the 80s
warm plinth
Everyone knows that a good looking toon increases DPS by 20%
honest canopy
Or someone who went on using thoose spongeshooes
knotty wagon
Forsaken look really nice in mog
warm plinth
What looks good is purely subjective anyway, so if you like it, you shouldn't let someone else decide for you.
sick sentinel
I mean its not
knotty wagon
ANimations are what im worried about
undone sun
unless you're a tauren
warm plinth
You're the one that has to look at it
honest canopy
warm plinth
What don't you like about Tauren? D: I like Tauren, except that they're god-awful slow
sick sentinel
There is no subjective when it comes to tmog, if u dont match right ur just trash at dressing ur barbie doll
knotty wagon
The hump
honest canopy
I bet you jelly about me meatballin around
knotty wagon
the awkward posture
warm plinth
Oh wait, you're a female panda
sick sentinel
I have the best Tmog for tauren
warm plinth
That's an ENTIRELY different story
knotty wagon
I will probably just pick something on a whim
and then race change it to ztroll or mag har later
sick sentinel
just race change in the middle of the raid like I do
umbral forge
oh like me
honest canopy
No I am Male Panda
umbral forge
can't you at least change that
warm plinth
That is a good angle for them then 😂
warm plinth
Trying hard not to say something inappropriate about looking massive with Avatar
honest canopy
warm plinth
That's a big pandaboi
quiet ember
Absolute unit.
drowsy relic
does anyone know which mobs are affected by the bolstering changes?
is there a list anywhere?
umbral forge
I saw a wow reddit thread about it
they're trying to figure it out
I know that shadow of zul still bolsters for some reason
sick sentinel
Ok but why are u fighting zul with other adds
sick sentinel
Thats already a fucking nightmare, esp ON FORT WEEK
warm plinth
Why wouldn't Shadow of Zul bolster? He's not a low health mob.
sick sentinel
Its not that
lusty grotto
right
sick sentinel
That makes sense
west snow
Maybe they mean the minions
lusty grotto
huh
sick sentinel
Wait, those minions used to bolster?
west snow
The minions did bolster
sick sentinel
The fuck
west snow
Idk if they do now
lusty grotto
thats most def not correct
i swear i've never seen them bolster him
the little dudes that you kill on the first packs, sure
but not the ones he summons
west snow
I'm only referring to the packs
lusty grotto
right
sick sentinel
Ah
lusty grotto
and that's intended
honest canopy
Summoning adds never bolsters
lusty grotto
correct
sick sentinel
Yeah, we are talking his actual fight before the last boss
umbral forge
I mean the minions, sorry!
lusty grotto
either way, yes zul should bolster... but there should be no reason why you should be fighting him anywhere close to any other mobs
umbral forge
They still bolster
lusty grotto
his summoned minions do not bolster him
umbral forge
No no, I mean the packs before first boss, and the guys in the hallway as the dungeon starts
that you blood elf racial away
sick sentinel
Ok yeah, those bolstered
lusty grotto
right those do
umbral forge
they're named minions of zul or shadows of zul or something, sorry
they still bolster
sick sentinel
Yeah that is confusing
Cause I was like, who the fuck is crazy enough to deal with zul AND other adds
drowsy relic
does anyone know if droplets bolster?
drowsy relic
in kr and sots
exotic spoke
sick sentinel
The droplets in shrine were specfically stated to not proc on death affixes
warm plinth
Droplets and Dredged Sailors were the two specifically mentioned by Blizzard to not be affected by the affixes anymore.
west snow
That moment when one of your pug dpsers runs up and dispels all the minions of zul and turns the trash into raid bosses as you pull them.
warm plinth
sick sentinel
KR is slowly becoming an easier dungeon
I mean its still shit
But at least it now doesnt smell bad
umbral forge
Just sacrifice them. Tell your blood elves they're [redacted] elves now
martyr elves*
warm plinth
"You're still a shit sandwich; just not a soggy one." - Major Payne