protection

[modern brook]

but

😠

[chilly brook]

He’s not wrong

[sand egret]

and our whole function out of avatar is to get back INTO avatar

😃

[modern brook]

Fuck man

[lusty grotto]

Pretend it's wings + sera

[modern brook]

why is that more true than i want it to be

[sand egret]

Anger Management

[chilly brook]

It’s almost like it’s a fun playstyle and I never understood why they tried changing shadow to not be like that 🤔

[lime mantle]

Pressing avatar is like getting a pump at the gym

[jaunty cobalt]

I have so much fun on my warrior... compared to my Paladin, just gotta get my ilvl up... 3 hours after hitting 120 I am at 367ilvl with a 380+ socket vial of blood, and the wrench looking shit... not the good one... but the okay one

[sand egret]

because when you're whole job is dps, lows feel like shit

[lusty grotto]

I mean idk

Protadin brings the sick deeps in reaps

[primal crypt]

PALADIN LUL

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, ok

[lusty grotto]

Not as much as we do but still

[opal peak]

i mean i went to guide for basic concept of what to do then come here for things i cba going to the guide for

easier to bug y'all

[jaunty cobalt]

^

[primal crypt]

Prot paladin LUL

[lusty grotto]

My crusade is still ongoing

[opal peak]

"deeps in reaps" 😌

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

Yamo has a prot paladin

He's meme'ing himself

[sand egret]

i still DONT

which is now the only one i dont have

[chilly brook]

Is it really easier to type in here and wait for a reply when you could just ctrl+f and find what you want instantly?

[primal crypt]

xD

[sand egret]

maybe next timewalking...

[jaunty cobalt]

So hey before I go, you sure I press Avatar on cd? I don’t know if I believe you guys.

[lusty grotto]

They do bring great reaping damage

[sick sentinel]

Let us not forget that Sense betrayed us last year in MDI so it's ok

[primal crypt]

I really need to level my guardian druid :(

[sand egret]

yes Nox

[chilly brook]

Yes

[sand egret]

unless you're like 5 seconds from ending a pack\

[primal crypt]

Im so sad I dont have the mage tower though

[sand egret]

then obvi dont press it

[lusty grotto]

I have it ;)

[sand egret]

but the sentiment is, don't "hold" it

[primal crypt]

Funny thing is, I got all the appearances for my wife on her druid

[modern brook]

@sand egret u still press it u just chain pull

[primal crypt]

So she taunts me with them

[modern brook]

Fyck ur stacks that's a healer problem

[lusty grotto]

Ahem I have all appearances on all specs of all tank classes

[sick sentinel]

If avatar is not on cooldown and ur dealing with even 1 add use avatqr

[primal crypt]

"Dont you wish you had these?"

[modern brook]

Fuck ur healers mana thwlats a healer problem

[sand egret]

but if the next pack is too far away

[jaunty cobalt]

And just hold on to vial to time with avatar not the other way around correct? Cus we want to be big all the time

[opal peak]

well i do that first most the time @chilly brook

[lusty grotto]

Macro vial to avatar

[chilly brook]

I never hold vial

[opal peak]

and only ask questions if people are talking

[primal crypt]

I never hold vial

[wary gyro]

I have all tank spec mage towers except bear because I didnt have one in legion

[primal crypt]

You never hold vial

[opal peak]

i don't "hold avatar"

i just dont see it

bc it's just macro'd to avatar

[primal crypt]

You want max use out of your trinket

[lusty grotto]

I hold it if a reap is coming

Hold my pee, poo and avatar

[primal crypt]

Guess if reap is happening as you're killing its om to hold

[jaunty cobalt]

Only tank mage tower I don’t have is prot warrior and I’m sad on it. Got all the others 💔

[sand egret]

@jaunty cobalt think about our kit this way: it's all one big machine that feeds into itself. The more cooldowns (read: Avatar here) you spend > more rage generate > you bring it up faster. So "holding" it compounds on itself for further and further losses. This is why a "good" prot vs a "great" prot is quite profound

[chilly brook]

I have all the tank mage towers

[lusty grotto]

Because shit is going down on that reap ;)

[primal crypt]

Since you usually reap into other packs

Yesterday we tried to reap into third boss of shrine

That was a yikes

[lusty grotto]

Rofllll

[wary gyro]

Prot was probably the easiest tank to do mage tower on outside of dh

[primal crypt]

For science

[lusty grotto]

Ask bull the spicy pulls we did yesterday

[sand egret]

stunned in a shadow smash?

[primal crypt]

So many damn casters

[daring marlin]

prot pally next meta tank

[primal crypt]

And our healer was first MC

so we got all sorts of jacked up

[sand egret]

Pulling reaping onto the 3rd boss?

[daring marlin]

Right @oblique garnet

[sand egret]

That's a paddin'

[narrow abyss]

Saw a crazy pull in Shrine the other day. Aggro a pack then heroic leap back and hop on a pot and the mobs teleported to him haha

[primal crypt]

Yup

The little pot LoS

[jaunty cobalt]

I gotcha @sand egret , thanks! I knew to use on cd was just trolling on that, but was unsure with vial so that was a legit question. Also (serious) question, is it All rage reduce cd of Avatar? Or is it just IP and Shield block?

[primal crypt]

In the first area

[lusty grotto]

Huh

[sand egret]

all rage spent

[primal crypt]

No more running back up the stairs

[sand egret]

so revenge included

[primal crypt]

Or even hiding in the corner pocket

[narrow abyss]

Just pot hop

[primal crypt]

Pot hop

[sand egret]

and don't hold vial. Your Avatar never lines up "nicely" due to its fluctuating cooldown

[primal crypt]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

Macro vial to avatar

That's it

[primal crypt]

Your group better know you're doing it though

[jaunty cobalt]

Cool, and only revenge on proc?

[lusty grotto]

Uhh

[sand egret]

revenge on proc is free so it wont do anything

Anger Management is what drives the engine.

[jaunty cobalt]

Meaning no rage spent, gotcha. Thanks!

[sand egret]

and it's just 10 rage = 1 second off cooldowns

[lusty grotto]

Just always have rage for sb

[sand egret]

yeah ^

[opal peak]

i mess that up sometimes xd

[lusty grotto]

When capping use proc-less revenge or IP to dump

[opal peak]

and IP and heck myself

[sand egret]

the game is "spend all of the rage" + "make sure you have rage for stuff you need"

how well you balance these is what makes you a prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

Just keep this in mind, u need 70 rage to use both SB&IP

So if u ever want to use both at the same time, know that at least

[lusty grotto]

Yo, my bro fucked up so bad on our shrine yesterday

Mw monk stays with debuff

[sick sentinel]

From there gauge urself on how u use ur rage

[opal peak]

rip

[lusty grotto]

Gets fucked on 2 tries on an ez timer

Bull probably heard me yelling

[sick sentinel]

At least ur healers have the debuff

[opal peak]

wait what did he do

to get fucked

[sick sentinel]

"I GOTTA DISPELL THE DEBUFF"

Has been my experience so far with shrine

[lusty grotto]

Healers get a debuff that buff their dmg, but any dmg they take they usually get 1 shot

So they can pump a shit load of dmg on the adds and then the boss

[opal peak]

yea i used to be mw main - now i just mw main in raid

but what did he fuck up

[sick sentinel]

Dying

[lusty grotto]

If they get hit by face hugger cast or tentacles, it's game over

[opal peak]

did he just stand in the stuff/tentacle slam? monkaS

[lusty grotto]

Facehugger cast on the first one

Tentacle on the 2nd

[opal peak]

rip

[lusty grotto]

My rage went to 200

[opal peak]

real unfortunate

[sick sentinel]

Its a mixed bag fight, and honestly if the dps haven't killed both adds before both the tank/healers it's best to clean debuff

[lusty grotto]

Facehugger cast wasn't his fault though

[opal peak]

how so

[sick sentinel]

The problem is that dps don't have a kick for the other add

[lusty grotto]

They do an aoe when they heal

[sick sentinel]

3 kicks, 2 on 1 and 1 on the far side

[lusty grotto]

Yup inr has it

[opal peak]

ohhhhhhh

that

i was thinking the silence thing

idk y

im dumb

[sick sentinel]

So if u time kicks poorly, better hope u have a brez

[lusty grotto]

Wtf if he died to silence on the floor I would have flipped my desk

[opal peak]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

Listen man, it's hard avoiding a shit stain the size of russia

[opal peak]

well u said u were raging

and he fucked up twice

oh no

"got fucked"

misread

[lusty grotto]

He could have dispelled it before we got to the dps adds

[opal peak]

man he trusted the dps

[sick sentinel]

He could

[opal peak]

the dps failed him

[lusty grotto]

Healers can actually watch the enemy frames

[sick sentinel]

He could have

But why, why should he

[lusty grotto]

See if anything is casting

Hey more dps is more dps

[sick sentinel]

GOTTA PAD THOSE NUMBERS

[lusty grotto]

Helps get that retarded boss down before any other transitions happen

Esp on tyrannical

[opal peak]

he shoulda done more dps so u zone faster that u can get to add and kick

EZ

[lusty grotto]

Nah he did our add fine, those dudes are always casting

[opal peak]

man y u guys missing kicks? scuffed comp?

[lusty grotto]

Plus I facetanked with wall

[sick sentinel]

Facetanked on the floor*

[lusty grotto]

Yeah idk bull probably does cause he was our rogue

[opal peak]

so it was @modern brook 's fault

[lusty grotto]

Lol no idea

[sick sentinel]

Time to blame bull

[sand egret]

i blame bull

I was there

[lusty grotto]

Nah I blame my brother

[sand egret]

as the 6th member

[opal peak]

nope

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[modern brook]

😠

[sand egret]

spectating

[opal peak]

never mw fault

[sand egret]

in spirit

[modern brook]

what did i do?

[opal peak]

u didnt get enough kicks

[lusty grotto]

Who missed the kick on facehugger when my bro died the 1st time

Or was it we transitioned after kicks?

[modern brook]

wtf is a face hugger

[opal peak]

the casting adds

on shrine

last boss

[lusty grotto]

The adds in shrine last boss

[modern brook]

Oh last night?

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[modern brook]

Hunter didnt priority right

[lusty grotto]

Fuck

[opal peak]

man u cant blame ur brother

[lusty grotto]

That stupid hunter lol

[modern brook]

we split 2/1 on the adds so we didnt have enough kicks

hunter eneded to be on ours 3-0

[opal peak]

if some1 was supposed to kick y dispell

[modern brook]

he just needed to kick the far one

[opal peak]

he got baited

[modern brook]

and burst down the priority so it wouldnt do 2 casts

[lusty grotto]

What did I yell at my brother

Oh

I remember

[modern brook]

ur brother did his best aheago impression with the tentacles on the 2nd pull

[lusty grotto]

"if you're gonna put your debuff why are you drinking all the way in Africa at the start"

Rofl

[primal crypt]

WIFE IS MAKING PANCAKES

[modern brook]

HELLLLLL YEAH

[opal peak]

u mean monk debuff?

[lusty grotto]

Ya

[opal peak]

just cjl

EZ

[lusty grotto]

Cause he got owned by a tentacle when doing it on the prev attempt

[opal peak]

lol

[lusty grotto]

And tried blaming graphics or God knows what

I was like mmmhmmm

[modern brook]

U were much louder than mmhmm

[lusty grotto]

Loll

I'm sorry

[opal peak]

lmao

[modern brook]

dont be just dont lie to the man

[lusty grotto]

Ricans are usually loud people

[modern brook]

Respect :^)

hoenstly super happy other people fucked up the last boss

cause i think i cost us ~25 seconds in stupid fucking deaths

[opal peak]

wha

[modern brook]

I like missed pressing jump to skip windspeaker

as one of 3 classes that can just walk past her

[opal peak]

🤔

u rogue

didnt stealth

and pulled

[modern brook]

We didnt pull her

I was just doing the jump skip

instead of stealthing past

[opal peak]

ya that's what i mean

[modern brook]

cause i forgot u dont shroud her cause u need it for rune carver

not cause she sees invis

🤷

doesnt matter

wasnt my fault we didnt key :^)

[opal peak]

man just kill rune carver

EZ PZ

[modern brook]

so much time fam

fuck rune carver

[opal peak]

tru

[modern brook]

especially tomorrow

[opal peak]

i dont do shrine enough to know smart things

[modern brook]

I only know smart things because i steal them from better players and pass them off as my own

[opal peak]

fair

i did TD right for the first time yesteday bc we had a big boi dh run wit hus

[modern brook]

I still cant get TD to run well

either im not tanking and my tanks big idiot

[opal peak]

not sure how u do the route without a dh tho

[modern brook]

or i am tanking and my cannoneers are big idiots

no offense @lusty grotto

[opal peak]

bc 1 skip needed imprisson

[lusty grotto]

We need more practice on it for sure

[modern brook]

Probably my 2nd least comfortable dungeon tbh

[opal peak]

fair

its kinda wonky imo

[modern brook]

I rally like it though

[sick sentinel]

almost top 100 eu 😛

[modern brook]

Its one of the more innovative dungeons

Sorry kaege i only talk to double digiters

[sick sentinel]

my IQ is double digit

[modern brook]

:^)

[sick sentinel]

does that count?

[modern brook]

Yeah sure

99% 🐒

[ivory light]

24% haste FeelsGoodMan

[narrow abyss]

The new TD route gives me a headache

Had a higher IO rogue explain it to me and my eyes glazed over

[sick sentinel]

what route?

[wary gyro]

Wait how did the TD route change

[narrow abyss]

Well idk if it’s new

[modern brook]

thinking about it

[late cedar]

The one u need dh for?

[sick sentinel]

the one where you shroud like 500 times?

[modern brook]

I dont think I've ever tanked TolDagor and had shortcuts available

[narrow abyss]

I think it’s the dratnos one yea

[sick sentinel]

I can't remember the last time I did TD without a rogue

[narrow abyss]

And then you pull 3-4 reap waves into cannons

[opal peak]

u just skip the whole floor

[late cedar]

Ye

[modern brook]

im surprised they didnt patch that in 815 tbh

[opal peak]

then u skip the second floor until u get to cannon

and pull it

[modern brook]

cannons on reap is def a fun detected kinda thing imo

[narrow abyss]

It is

[opal peak]

it makes the dungeon an any week type of key

since u dont need to actually fight most the dungeon

[modern brook]

yaeh i think a correctly ran TD is one of the easiest dungeons in the current line up

I also think its one of the harder ones to correctly run

ie: i tihnk the dungeons in a good spot

it rewards organized play really well

[opal peak]

i just need to figure out how to do without dh since i dont norm have 1... unless u just deathskip

[modern brook]

without being big dumb without it

which one needs a DH?

the one in front of the doorway?

[opal peak]

well u death pull the 1 dude into crocs - then u imprison/sap the next 2 dudes to skip, then rogue saps/blinds next 2 mobs by the gate

[wary gyro]

Uh what

[modern brook]

me when people talk TD routes despite me asking the question

[opal peak]

lmao

so after u do the first boss, there's the 1 guy leaving the room with the crocs - u have tank pull him away into the crocs while every1 runs by, then rez tank - then there's 2 more guys in the stairwell, u imprison/sap those and skip um... then u wait for the bridge pat to be away and u sap/blind the 2 guys next the the gate and u skip that too

u spend half the dungeon skipping stuff

[modern brook]

I didnt realize Tol DAgor was a weapon to surpass metal gear

[narrow abyss]

Eyes glazed over again

[opal peak]

lol

[narrow abyss]

So let’s talk about freehold

[modern brook]

then u knock 3 times and say la li lu le lo

[narrow abyss]

😂

[modern brook]

more like FREE hold

[young marlin]

What kind of Shenanigans did I hop into? xD We are supposed to be making people think Warriors are smart

[modern brook]

cause its easy as shit

[young marlin]

Personally speaking, I dont like the enforcers at all in Freehold

[modern brook]

My experience with free hold is that people over estimate how difficult Eudora is, and underestimate the difficulty of the first boss

[wary gyro]

I usually only pull 1 enforcer in a freehold run

[modern brook]

U have to pull at least 2

[opal peak]

first boss isn't hard tho

[wary gyro]

Oh right forgot about the pack to summon first boss

[modern brook]

@opal peak thats the problem

[opal peak]

unless no range/range cant bait

[modern brook]

he isnt

[young marlin]

Ya, even if you skip the first enforcer, you have one on the bridge as well as the one before the first boss

[modern brook]

but on tyr he will one shot u if you dont respect him

[opal peak]

how is he hard?

[modern brook]

"you" being dps, of course

[opal peak]

it's basically a healer fight - they need to keep people topped

that's it

[wary gyro]

Shark puncher is the one that always trips up groups for me

[lusty grotto]

the thing is, im pretty sure eudora shots can be LoSd

[opal peak]

use defensive if ur not topped

we got insane good rng on eudora yesterday

[sick sentinel]

First boss is fine as long as you are not getting one shot from pistol

But that starts in +21

[lusty grotto]

right

[opal peak]

just wish it wasnt an 18, woulda been a free high key

[modern brook]

You ever do the corner strat on the 4th boss with DPS that just spread cannons :^(

[opal peak]

wha

[lusty grotto]

you're talking td?

[modern brook]

nah fh

[lusty grotto]

youre supposed to corner tank him lol

[modern brook]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

and dps shold know not to put their shit on the other corner

[opal peak]

ya idk if it's a "corner strat" if that's just the general place to tank

lol

[sick sentinel]

On +21 freehold your dps should use stamina flask on first boss

[modern brook]

Ur not supposed to put cannon drops all over the boss

[sick sentinel]

Or have really high ilvl I guess

[modern brook]

yall are living in good player land im slumming it up in PUGs

I got some fucking horror stories for you in any dungeon

[opal peak]

fair

[narrow abyss]

Ranged we’re LOSing Eudora shots in season 1

Idk if that’s changed

[wary gyro]

I've just accepted that dps are mongos and will put the cannons all over the area

[narrow abyss]

The column of balcony in side building

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's still true

[opal peak]

just cant have her fly to the opposite side

[lusty grotto]

same with azerite shot on 1st boss, from what i can gather

[modern brook]

one of my dps wanted to stay on top of the building

for council fight

I told him no because i dont need a reset for nothing

Anyone know if thats a thing

[narrow abyss]

Does anyone know what exactly causes the reset

[opal peak]

if they jump out of range

of their boss area

[sick sentinel]

It resets because the guy charges

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure the only one that jumps is the swirly dude

whatever his name is

[sick sentinel]

And if he charges off the room

[narrow abyss]

So not grapeshot

[opal peak]

generally happens if ur on the edge and get knocked out and they run to u

[lusty grotto]

the one with the tornadoes

[sick sentinel]

He resets

[modern brook]

are we talking 1st or 2nd boss in FH rn

[opal peak]

or he charges out

[lusty grotto]

2nd i thought

[modern brook]

Ur thinking of Jolly Chip

[opal peak]

2n

[narrow abyss]

2

[sick sentinel]

I have reset the boss when I got hit by the sword

And got knocked out

I still remember it after 4 months lol

[modern brook]

I def killed the boss once; triggered the end RP and everything

didnt get credit

so we had to do it agian

still timed the key :^)

it was like a 4 in season1

but still

[lusty grotto]

😉

[narrow abyss]

Haha

[sick sentinel]

Bull I have done it with raal

Killed him

Didn't get credit

Had to kill him again

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

[modern brook]

I dont remember for sure but I think the fight was eudora and beer guy

With jolly as friend

[astral path]

What do you all think is the best race for prot wars on alliance?

I'm bored of human >_< and want something more badass looking as well xD

Between dwarf and DI mostly

[opal peak]

imagine not being nelf

on alliance

tho... imagine being alliance

[astral path]

ik ik

alliance is terrible for racials xD

[opal peak]

i mean i'd prob be nelf if it was horde

[astral path]

I'd much rather be my HMT RAWRMAN but friends are all about allies atm

I have a human almost to cap but humans are so bleh :x

[narrow abyss]

Id probably be NE or whichever one was best for bleeds personally

[modern brook]

wtf is going on

Alliance racials in order

NE>Did>dwarf>KT>faction change

[daring marlin]

lol night elf

vomit

[modern brook]

My favorite bloodmallet statistic

oh no they changed it :^(

Nightborne used to be a -42 DPS increase

probably through a mix of bad API and the race not doing much in the first place

BUt i was a big fan of being able to say nightborne is worse than not having a race

found it

thats for arms though

🤷

[glacial olive]

what was Orc in that image?

[modern brook]

2

.01%

source is hero damage DS sim for racials

thats Arms because i was making a joke about nightborne; if u rtrying to figure out what race to roll prot for

[neon tangle]

Undead is the best race

Because cannabalize is top tier after ganking allies

[modern brook]

u kno when ur right ur right

[sick sentinel]

Btw

The boss that helps you on counsil

On freehold

[neon tangle]

Similarly my favorite thing as a DK is to find people near water or afk on their water strider

[sick sentinel]

Applies necrotic stacks

[neon tangle]

And grip them under water

[sick sentinel]

To the boss

[neon tangle]

And watch them drown

[modern brook]

nice @sick sentinel we can combo that with mortal wound effects and prevent them from healing!

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[brisk rain]

how do you guys avoid getting too many ice shard stacks on jaina in phase 3, 2nd tank gets into block before i can reset mine after getting out of ice block

i sometimes end up with ~20 stacks at the start of p3

[sick sentinel]

Mythic?

[brisk rain]

heroic

but my guild struggles and i want to lower the burden on healers

[wary gyro]

You should be able to drop stacks between freezes

[brisk rain]

could elemental be the problem?

cuz my guild is intent on killing him before freeing jaina

and i get around 5-8 stacks before we interrupt her

[neon tangle]

Why wait? Cleave damage is great

@brisk rain when do you lust?

[wary gyro]

My guild lusted and had everyone force block on her

[brisk rain]

around 2nd prismatic

[neon tangle]

on p3?

[brisk rain]

yes

[neon tangle]

That generally lets one of us reset stacks at least

[untold creek]

are you getting hit by frontal while the other tank is tanking?

I've seen that often... offtank forgets to move behind boss.

[brisk rain]

nope

i avoid stupid dmg

[wheat bronze]

Are you soaking the Frost Orb?

[brisk rain]

yes, 1st orb

[wheat bronze]

Oops, thought you were talking about Chilling Touch stacks

[wary gyro]

He kind of is

Is the other tank taking unnecessary stacks

[brisk rain]

not entirely sure but i dont think so

it might have been the elementals fault

my guilds tactics are pretty dumb :/

[wary gyro]

Because based on the timing you described it sounds like the other tank is getting stacks too fast

[brisk rain]

i enter p3 with 5-8 stacks cuz my guild is intent on killing elemental before interrupting jaina

that might be the problem

and btw its actually funny when your hp jumps from 10% to 100% all the time and healers are literally sweating a river to heal you up xD

[wheat bronze]

so you are talking about Chilling Touch then

cause Ice Shards is from the Jaina auto attack

[brisk rain]

now that you say it like that i think both are problematic xD

i have a raid in a minute, will try a different approach with elemental and see how it goes

[steel mauve]

We did it this weekend killing elemental before interrupting jaina, we focused ele and cleaved ontk nathanos since we had plenty of time and the ele died before we could even make it to jaina, lusted on the wall

[brisk rain]

you lusted on wall?

[wheat bronze]

That's the "standard" way of doing it nowadays

You have melee tunnel wall, ranged tunnel Jaina

[brisk rain]

you can dmg jaina when she is in phase 2.5?

[wheat bronze]

Yes

You'll shave off 3-5%

then you just bait the Glacial Ray and ignore the image, burn Jaina

[steel mauve]

We just focused the wall with every one and burnt through it, the stacks werent an issue with tanks as we just taunted after the first tank got frozen then second tank soaked the orb

[brisk rain]

how do you bait glacial xD?

[wheat bronze]

Everyone stack

[brisk rain]

cuz i've seen dbm tell to bait it

[wheat bronze]

When it casts, move left

[steel mauve]

No reason to not really be stacked in that phase until siege/bombard comes out

[wheat bronze]

Doing it this way, you should never see a second image (at least on heroic)

and no one (except maybe the first tank) should ever get frozen

p3 is like 60-75 seconds long, max

[sick sentinel]

Are there any good beginner M+ guides? Im not an expert at DPS by any means, around 1300 io on main, but want to start getting some practice in low keys and dont wanna fly in blind

Sorry if it's a commonly asked question

[brisk rain]

@wheat bronze thanks a lot, i will try them tonight, maybe noobs from my guild will finally get curve, me included xD

[pulsar wasp]

how long you tanking in general? M+ up to 3 affixes feels like harder HC from old days so no worry

[sick sentinel]

Honestly just want to get up to the point where I can reliably be available to help guildies get 10s/11s done for the week. Not looking to push high keys

[wheat bronze]

Biggest thing you'll need to learn are the routes, which you can find some on https://www.raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[neon tangle]

really take a look at the advanced routes though, some of those are way worse than necessary

like not skipping the last bridge in shrine

[sand egret]

If you're playing the same character as your main but simply switching the spec, you can start in 10s tbh. With how gear is now, you can easily brute force 10s with gear and you'll get the added bonus of practicing with Reaping (which changes how you approach each dungeon) @sick sentinel

if you're 1300, you should be plenty fine on the gear front

[sick sentinel]

Main is a DH unfortunately haha, but warrior is 409 in fury. Desparately need a shield

[sand egret]

could do both, but yeah your warrior very very outgears 10s haha

[neon tangle]

@sand egret you know, I think that sometimes

then I run with 800io people

m+ has such a wacky learning curve

[sand egret]

i'm specifically talking about gear, not people 😃

at +20 ilvls above expected, should be able to brute force it with guildies (which they mentioned was the reason they were doing this)

[neon tangle]

I carried a couple new guild people through a 15 this week

it was

something

[sand egret]

well 15s are quite different than a 10

[neon tangle]

also true

[sand egret]

since keys scale more and more the higher you go up

[neon tangle]

they died every boss

[sand egret]

between each key that is

[neon tangle]

it was hilarious

[sand egret]

that tyrannical scaling

[neon tangle]

we 3-manned the last boss of ML with a disc healer doing 10k dps

and me and a ret pally

still timed it so whatevs

[sand egret]

funny thing I learned the other day in ML. On BrM, your passive stacks up at the last boss and never clears so you just can stand in gattling gun and dodge 100% of the hits

my thought process was: "hmm I dont feel like moving....oh I dont even HAVE to move....!"

[neon tangle]

@sand egret for all of 8.0 you took ~0 damage on the 3rd boss

because your stacks would never reset

and you'd dodge her aa's

[sand egret]

lol, isn't that what happened with Jaina for a bnit?

[neon tangle]

yep, everyone was guessing that it was fixed because of jaina

[sand egret]

her casts counted as auto's but never were treated as melee's so they didn't trigger the return

[neon tangle]

and then it was still broke on jaina

[naive panther]

15s with good players is still easier than a 10 with bad. Granted warrior can carry bad dps easier than the other tanks.

[brisk rain]

ok

[cobalt wagon]

I'm making the transition from 10s to 15s with guildies and I wish there was a clearer path or some way to ensure I was getting better. It seems a combination of learning which abilities you have to pay attention to at higher difficulties and where and how to pull big. What other things should I pay special attention to?

[brisk rain]

so, i have 300ms and 2nd tank is drunk

[neon tangle]

@naive panther I had bad dps and I'm a BDK 😦

[brisk rain]

jaina is going to die from laughter lol

[naive panther]

Yeah I had the issue on my bdk too. Healer left a pull after first boss lol it was bad

[neon tangle]

@cobalt wagon It's really helpful if you run with a consistent group

[remote mist]

Doing Temple of Sethraliss, first boss. It is said You can reflect the Cyclone Strike. I'm literally doing the same they do on the streams, i am not the target, there is no bolt on me either and yet my SR isnt reflecting the tornadoes. Any ideas what can be the reason or the thing im doing wrong?

[neon tangle]

If not it's rather hard to iterate on what went good or bad

[cobalt wagon]

Yeah, fair. Thankfully the healer is usually the same. I definitely see big swings based on which dps we bring along

[neon tangle]

The other thing is really sitting down and looking at your routes

[olive merlin]

I wish I had some sort of gauge too. Did an UR 6 last night.. we had 2 dps around 375ish? My warrior is 387.. figured it would be cake.. omg no. Had an inexperienced druid healer who just kept saying I was squishy. I have no way to know if it was disease damage eating me up and druid couldn't do anything about it.

[warm plinth]

If you're ever wondering about whether it's your issues or the group's, logs are your best bet. Hard to say otherwise.

[cobalt wagon]

Yeah, the best experience my healer has had with other tanks is when they have the route and pack abilities down cold.

[olive merlin]

Speaking of logs.. when I log my m+ runs.. it just logs into one lump sum log. Not broken down by boss/trash like when you log raids. I think I do have the log from yesterday. Will have to look at it when I get home

[warm plinth]

Do you have advanced logging on? That might be the issue

[gray knot]

is strength in numbers best one for dungeons ?

[olive merlin]

I do have it on. I asked in the warcraft logs discord channel about it and @kihra said that's just how dungeons get logged.

[warm plinth]

That's weird; it should still be broken down by boss and trash fights though 🤔

[olive merlin]

I'll message you the log link later @warm plinth and you can see what I mean

[gray knot]

or 3rd trait doesnt affect that much?

[warm plinth]

Hm, I could have sworn I saw them broken up at least by boss before; guess I might be misremembering.

No, here it is;

[olive merlin]

Yes so that is how kihra said to look at it

Through that menu. But instead of being able to click the link and see the bosses, you just see like Freehold 35:21

[warm plinth]

Yeah I just looked at another log that was like that; I wonder what the difference is.

[supple path]

@gray knot It's not a great trait. I'd put it in the bottom half, below some of the other healing traits or DPS traits, depending on your preferences. YMMV I suppose though.

The guide in the pins has a rough tier list for those traits.

[sand egret]

@olive merlin gotta also keep in mind that inexperienced rdruid is similar to an inexperienced prot war. Both have a hard time dealing with mistakes already made. I ran with one the other day and the classic sign is if you have 0 hots on you going into a new pack.

[warm plinth]

That's just Resto Druid: Challenge Mode

[supple path]

That said underrot is a mechanics dungeon. You take a lot more damage when interrupts are being failed/etc.

[sand egret]

if they're just hotting you after you take damage, you're going to have a bad timetbh

[brisk rain]

Jaina wont die tonight, not for me at least

[supple path]

So many times I see healers and tanks bickering about who's at fault and then it turns out all 3 dps haven't interrupted or stunned once the whole run

[brisk rain]

my guild is intent on killing elemental and then slowly running to jain to iunterrupt, we start p3 with 10 stacks ffs

[sand egret]

yeah...it's easy to be "squishy" when your dps hasn't used an interrupt all run

funny thing about that is, if they don't learn and walk into a dungeon with any sort of threat "I never had to interrupt before!" logic kicks in...

which is why i'm a firm supporter of leveling mobs that cast have all of their damage boosted by 200%

[supple path]

My whole PoV shifted a lot once I got a WA that tracked interrupt CDs and saw some names just neeeveeeer pop up

[warm plinth]

Problem is that most leveling mobs that cast are usually chain casters

[sand egret]

yeah, I had to call out a rogue yesterday due to that. things were rough (many reasons) but he chimed in and then I had to slap him with that Interrupt report

[neon tangle]

@sand egret surprisingly people will interupt the big dudes in TD that debuff everyone's damage

[sand egret]

yeah they'd need a lockout for sure

[olive merlin]

@sand egret absolutely.. I know I need improvement in my play.. haven't played prot war since TBC and it's not anything like it was. I love getting the practice. I also feel squishy on my bdk too at 397.. and I run with the same folks
I know interrupts are a problem.

[warm plinth]

I do wish that Details had a separate tracker for interrupt casts vs. just interrupts

Because it won't track an interrupt that someone beat you to, for example

[sand egret]

oh actually DPS will always interrupt 2 moves with out fail:

• the spell you want to Reflect
• Painful Motivation.

[supple path]

EVERY time I cross that bridge

[warm plinth]

Not gonna lie; I didn't know you weren't supposed to kick Painful Motivation 😂

[supple path]

three messages to my group about interrupting painful motivation

and they still do it about 1 time in 3

[sand egret]

yep

the best is

"OK"

[warm plinth]

I assumed it was like an enrage on the mob

[sand egret]

dh uses AoE stun during cast anyway(

[neon tangle]

"Well @supple path said something about interupting painful motivation, better kick it"

[supple path]

"i didn't interrupt it hurr hurr demons"

[sand egret]

it is, but it does a massive % of their hp per second

[supple path]

yesssss sadbox

[warm plinth]

Ah

[sand egret]

so you can just let it go off and kite as they die (or hell just stand in it cuz LOL autos)

[supple path]

yup, 8 seconds of kiting, the pack is dead

easiest trash % in the entire game if you let it through

[neon tangle]

@sand egret I face tank it as a BDK, it doesn't really hurt

[sand egret]

I just let it go off then shockwave

and watch em die

[supple path]

I need to figure out some cheesy ass way to pull 50% of the trash in freehold to that and have it cast while we kite

[sand egret]

well @olive merlin I can tell you that Prot's playstyle is almost the opposite of a BDK in many many respects, so you may have to learn two habits =).

[supple path]

The prot warrior M+ "was it my fault" check is basically, "was I taking non-blocked auto-attacks without covering with a CD, leading to my death"

[sand egret]

and "what cooldowns should I have used"

[olive merlin]

Lol I'm still learning both. All my love for tanks and yet I main a warlock cause guild need

[sand egret]

yeah, my advice is always just cut your teeth. If you're afraid of dying you'll never be a good tank imho

I got a coworker who wants to tank but is also petrified of tanking

always second guessing himself and i'm always like "well...why don't you just jump in and find out if you'll live?

[supple path]

Well tanks in wow also have to be the leaders, route-choosers, etc. and are the first to be blamed. It's not fear of death so much as "fear of strangers yelling at you" I think

[neon tangle]

^^^^

[stoic pilot]

Route choosers sure but you don’t exactly have to be the leader

[supple path]

You might not HAVE to be, but 90%+ of situations will expect it.

[dusk locust]

you do in pugs where there's no communication

[neon tangle]

Pull the wrong mob, pull an extra mob people aren't used to, etc and you'll get yelled at by shit pugs

[sand egret]

yeah, I guess. But I've had enough mages frostbolting random mobs because they are the "leader" and will pull enough to know that's kinda here nor there

[warm plinth]

I tell my girlfriend to just do random heroics. You get all of the mechanics, you can ignore people if you need to, and if you get kicked, who cares; you queue again and get another dungeon in a second.

[neon tangle]

do a slightly different route than they expect

[stoic pilot]

Yeah but I’m talking about an actual group

[wary gyro]

Yeah I can understand why tanking can be intimidating to someone who's new go it

[frigid forge]

so wich loa to go for surv and/or dps?

[sand egret]

at this point in the expac, everyone knows the "routes"

[stoic pilot]

Dude it’s insane

Trying anything SLIGHTLY different

[neon tangle]

@sand egret You would be surprised

[stoic pilot]

Is met with such scorn

It’s unreal

[sand egret]

yeah that's the other side of it

they know the "routes" but that "route" was that one time they did it that one week on Teeming

[neon tangle]

@sand egret I tried the thing where you grab 1 extra of the big dudes at the very start of KR

and holy shit

[sand egret]

chaos

[neon tangle]

"YOU'RE GOING TO PULL 120% OF THE DUNGEON"

"SHIT TANK"

[stoic pilot]

“Shit route stupid tank”

Lmao

[sand egret]

i mean i had a group real confused when I was pulling the shit during FH rp

so it's kinda /shrug

[wary gyro]

Oh God FH people always lose their shit no matter how you pull

[sand egret]

(although they were REAL happy with it, was a guild that pugged a tank)

[stoic pilot]

It’s odd

Since I’ve played warrior I’ve met less people criticizing me with big pulls versus dk

Maybe cuz out damaging them

[supple path]

Our damage intimidates DPS

they're hesitant to criticize a tank who's beating them on damage meters

[stoic pilot]

That’s what I imagine happens tbh

[wary gyro]

They're too busy dealing with their wilting epeen

[sand egret]

if you can set up the pull smooth no one bats an eye

[neon tangle]

Most of what I get this week is people complaining that I'm kiting as a DK

and then my healer flaming them for complaining

so it's been good

[sand egret]

i had hte opposite

"KITE"

[supple path]

I finally did some 15+ necrotics without ever kiting yesterday, woo trees + BoP

[sand egret]

"butydoe?"

[stoic pilot]

Dude nothing tilts me more than seeing someone just go full out DPSing a mob when they see me heroic throw a mob

[neon tangle]

@supple path no trees or earth ele

[stoic pilot]

And leap away to another pack to chain pull

[neon tangle]

f for sadbox

[wary gyro]

Yeah that's the one I get is people yelling at me to kite at like 15 stacks

[warm plinth]

Idk, in Legion I had just started tanking on my war. I had watched a ton of videos to learn routes. So I did Fenryr's area in HoV. Went to the right (to the 3-pack behind the tree before Fenryr p1) and 2 people just exploded. I had never seen anyone go straight to the lake and go around that way before (every group I'd been in on my DPS went to the right), but it was like I committed a sin.

[supple path]

Every time AMS fails to prevent necrotic stacks since patch, a prot warrior gets its wings.

[stoic pilot]

Tanking is a weird role

You’re either gods gift to tanking or the shittiest human being alive

In peoples eyes at least

[wary gyro]

Theres never a middle ground

[supple path]

Yeah people place too much of the credit/blame for the group's success on the tank.

[neon tangle]

Nothing makes me want to tank less than spending 30 minutes getting shit on by pugs because I took a route different than they expected, or they had to deal with trash mechanics when they didn't expect it or something

[wary gyro]

Yeah

[sand kettle]

Meeker, right in the feels with that chain pull

[supple path]

And it's like...look at the goddamn moonkin who didn't even spec trees please.

[warm plinth]

I don't even give a shit about what people say though. Like I get no stress from that at all. If I do something wrong, I'll be the first one to call myself on it, but if I know I'm doing it right, I couldn't give a fuck less what anyone else says to me.

[stoic pilot]

Lol it’s so annoying

I have to stop and actually hit it a couple times before pulling more otherwise people complain about having aggro

[neon tangle]

@warm plinth tbh I get a couple complaints at this point and bail

it's not worth my time to have people shit on me

and the success rate for keys where people are complaining is p low

[supple path]

I like to instantly put them on ignore but not tell them.

[warm plinth]

Well, to be honest I've had very few groups where people have shit on me. I stayed in the HoV I mentioned because it was going perfectly fine other than that.

[stoic pilot]

Out of curiosity, is the current prot playstyle similar to how it was in Legion?

[warm plinth]

The only group I've ever left that hadn't already had someone leave was when bursting first came out. I pulled a single kobold pack, DPS blew it up, we wiped; I got blamed for pulling too big and I was just not in the mood that day.

[supple path]

Legion was a lot more IP-focused.

A LOOOOT more.

[warm plinth]

So I left. But usually if someone says something, and the run is going fine otherwise, I just ignore it or say something snarky and move on XD

[neon tangle]

@warm plinth Really depends on if I'm doing a route people aren't used to

[frigid forge]

Hey so wich loa is best for surv/dps?

[neon tangle]

also when you're pugging

I tried a Monday morning pug and jesus

the toxicity is overwhelming

[warm plinth]

Also, anyone use threat plates? Do you know how to make the nameplates not go off the screen?

I imagine the toxicity gets worse the higher your key level

[neon tangle]

I have had a lot friendlier of people the higher I go really

10-14 or so is a real shitshow

I'm running more 15s+ now and people are weirdly friendlier, more accepting of mistakes, etc

[supple path]

^^^ 100%

[warm plinth]

Interesting

[wary gyro]

10-14 are all the people who think they are good but are mediocre

[supple path]

I was just commenting yesterday on how once my group starts being like 1300-1400+ IO, toxicity massively reduces.

[modern brook]

pugging 10-11 is the worst

[supple path]

We straight failed a key yesterday in a pug and everyone involved was like, "Oh well, let's downgrade it by one and try again guys!"

[modern brook]

pugging 12-14 is fine if u dont get ragers

[neon tangle]

That KR I was complaining about (pulling 1 extra big guy) was a +12

and it was nonstop toxicity

[supple path]

I think it's because to get past a certain score, you have to be capable of failing keys and not alienating everyone involved.

[warm plinth]

I will never understand that sort of mentality; the ragers. Why do people like that even play the game? I would hate playing a game that pissed me off that much.

[supple path]

Rage is addictive.

[modern brook]

@warm plinth its not the game its the shitters i play with 😠

[heavy chasm]

Says every shitter

Ever

[modern brook]

plus rage generation is paramount to prot play

[warm plinth]

XD

Was that in response to what I said @heavy chasm?

[supple path]

Sometimes I actually play the ol' Shaggy "It wasn't me" song while I listen to people talk in game, and man, it is like the anthem of the WoW generation.

[heavy chasm]

Nah bulls

I'm just joshing

[modern brook]

I was just making a joke and now im being fucked on 😠

[warm plinth]

Well, that goes back to how toxic people can be honestly. People don't want to admit fault most of the time because they know people will judge them and potentially be toxic

[modern brook]

mad

[heavy chasm]

But lots of the ragers are actually mad about their own mistakes haha

[warm plinth]

We all know bull is the worst prot war ever

But we keep him around because he's cuddly

[modern brook]

:o

[warm plinth]

Just kidding.
<Actual worst prot warrior

[heavy chasm]

That may be true, but j mean if you dont make mistakes you dont get better

[modern brook]

I do nothing but be genuinely helpful and derailing

and i get fucked on >:I

[warm plinth]

That's exactly how I look at it; I'll call out my own mistakes, but I won't make it again

[heavy chasm]

So people who don't accept and acknowledge it are incredibly detrimental

Love you @modern brook

[modern brook]

❤

[heavy chasm]

I'll fuck on you any day.. if you know what I mean oie oie oie

[warm plinth]

It's getting weird in here

[heavy chasm]

Maybe me am that kind of orc....?

[warm plinth]

bull, you bring out the creepy in Lothar

[modern brook]

🤷

I did say i derail this chat a lot

[heavy chasm]

Lel

I'll just fade away again for a bit Haha

[warm plinth]

Maybe because I'm like "sorry, fucked that up", the ragers see that and it chills them out a bit? Could be why I haven't seen a huge amount of toxicity.

[haughty kiln]

This conversation reminds me of the adam Sandler/Chris Farley SNL wherein they’re reading the Zagats restaurant review book... Sandler’s character always replies darkly with something like, “give me cancer now god.”

[heavy chasm]

Not a bad analogy

[neon tangle]

@warm plinth also to be fair, pugging is miserable in general, not every route / experiment will work out

[modern brook]

^

[neon tangle]

and people don't want to get in the key you botch

[heavy chasm]

Oh man

Experimenting on pugs

[warm plinth]

I botch every key

💪

[modern brook]

💪

[warm plinth]

Like only a prot warrior can

[heavy chasm]

The toxicity starts am I'm just gonna go fucking do all the things

[modern brook]

I respect that consistency @warm plinth

[heavy chasm]

I should race change to a night elf for maximum experimenting potential

How much I can pull and troll these toxic dick heads with my shadow meld power before they leave....

Insert Mr. Burns meme

[warm plinth]

Another alliance warrior? We're growing 😈

[neon tangle]

I do love the weird looks when I reset stacks on jes in TD

"brb lightfoot"

[heavy chasm]

My names lothar bro

You can bet your ass I'm OG human boii

[warm plinth]

Mine is a dwarf since I think they look sick in plate. Came up with a badass dwarf name (so I think), and then realized that everyone thinks I'm derivative now, which was an accident

[heavy chasm]

I made my warrior in cata/mop

And wanted to do arms things

[modern brook]

My best name to date is my warlock

[heavy chasm]

So I went human

[warm plinth]

I was like aw man, dwarves like stone, and they have these cool little fireplaces in all their buildings

[modern brook]

which i named Demonetize

[warm plinth]

So I made him Stonehearth

Not realizing that that's Hearthstone mixed up x_x

[modern brook]

LOL god tier

I 100% would make fun of ur name in queue

[warm plinth]

lol

[modern brook]

hey guys u want STONEHEARTH to tank this?

[warm plinth]

No wonder I never get invited to things

[old night]

HELLO DUDES

[warm plinth]

Oh shh it's a battlelord

[modern brook]

hi red filmstrips

[warm plinth]

I think I have pretty cool names for all my toons; which means they're probably all that cheesy

But on the subject of warlock names, I made an undead warlock and named him Butterface

[modern brook]

:^(

poor guy/gal

[undone sun]

Thyme, Rhyme, Dhyme. Mine used to be after spices or foods

[old night]

Mine are all after photography terms

[modern brook]

Dhyme is actually dope

Thats a 90s rapper name if i ever saw one

[dense flame]

What is glick reflecting on 3rd boss siege of Boralus?

[old night]

Filmstrips, Effstop, Aberration

Pentaxx

[warm plinth]

Thyme, do you have a character named Thymetodie

[undone sun]

Lol I don't

[warm plinth]

That would be funny

[modern brook]

@dense flame u got details to back that up

OTherwise the best i can do for u is something

like a log or something would be nice

[old night]

some trial thought I picked Filmstrips because I was a stripper

they had apparently never seen a film camera before

[modern brook]

? are u not

[warm plinth]

I bet he was a millenial

😂

[old night]

I had to explain what it was

[warm plinth]

< a millenial

[old night]

<millenial

[scarlet wedge]

I have a guildie who says you can Spell Reflect the throw on Grong, is that true?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[old night]

i BeT hE wAs A mIlEniAl

[modern brook]

@scarlet wedge u reflect the dot applied from grongs grip

[warm plinth]

Just the DoT he applies with the throw, not the actual throw

[modern brook]

not the throw

[scarlet wedge]

ah

[warm plinth]

It's technically called "Bestial Throw" though so

[modern brook]

I publicized that :^)

[neon tangle]

@warm plinth I had a fun monk name

[warm plinth]

Goodboi bull

[neon tangle]

I was going to be Brewmaster Boozefist

but then I realized I hate playing monk

[modern brook]

I like to differentiate because some people mean Impact when they say throw

[dense flame]

No I’m watching his stream. He has a weak aura that is telling him to reflect something on 3rd boss. I imagine it’s just to reduce the damage from the frontal ability.

[supple path]

Yesterday I finally tested it and arcane torrent appeared to remove the entire buff stack from Jess in TD after a full channel. So woo on that.

[warm plinth]

My 3 monks have the dumbest names ever

[modern brook]

and SR impact is just inefficient

[warm plinth]

Pandara, Worldcrusher, and Mekkabrew

My hunter on the other hand, is HUNTMASTER HUNTMASTER

[modern brook]

@dense flame thats my guess

to my knowledge nothing is reflect/deflectable

[dense flame]

Fsho.

[supple path]

Actually that makes me wonder - how exactly does spell reflect work on Jaina? I get deflect messages but I'd swear the actual attack is still going through, though logs talk like it's mitigation %

[modern brook]

@scarlet wedge another Grong tidbit: Bestial impact is dealt by the environment, so Demo Shout will not reduce it. Make sure you get an IP up

[scarlet wedge]

ah,

[old night]

@supple path she doesnt have a single reflectable spell

[steel mauve]

your SR will still reduce the damage on a lot of the spells on jaina, but she doesnt have a spell you reflect at her

[supple path]

Yeah that's what I thought, though my log messages literally say 'deflect' whenever I use it, annoying.

[undone sun]

Hmmm

[heavy chasm]

At the risk of sounding like a pure mongoloid. For those like me that over looked kt heroic leap resets taunt

Great for when oh fuck taint on cd

[clear cradle]

Where am I looking I'm warcraft logs for damage dealt by spell reflect?

[steel mauve]

i dont believe it shows

[undone sun]

It's friendly fire for whoever casted it

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure you have to look at damage taken by the boss, but also done by the boss

[undone sun]

Right

[steel mauve]

ah ya, they made it more difficult

[modern brook]

Lothar? more like Loid-thar

[undone sun]

What does KT have to do with it @heavy chasm

[warm plinth]

wat

[old night]

i believe that was a typo

[modern brook]

@undone sun its a typo'd it

calling it now

[undone sun]

Hmmm

[warm plinth]

"taint on CD"

😂

[old night]

must be a millenial

[warm plinth]

^

[heavy chasm]

It and taunt lel

[undone sun]

Ah

[modern brook]

lothar dont ignore my great joke 😠

[frigid forge]

So let me get this kragwa is op for prot as a zandalari troll?

[modern brook]

go poku or kimbull

[warm plinth]

No, not at all

[undone sun]

Yeah, it was a change in 7.0

[modern brook]

or bwom if ur a NERD

[warm plinth]

Kragwa was OP on the PTR iirc, but not now; it's pretty meh now.

[undone sun]

https://twitter.com/Slootbag/status/1107711185145774082?s=19

Ted Bacinschi (@Slootbag)

PSA: Prot Warriors, your Heroic Leap resets taunt cooldown
Apparently it's not so known

Twitter

Kek

[heavy chasm]

Is gold gold bull

[shut summit]

@supple path the 'deflect' on Jaina is just parry (i believe) but since it's a spell says deflect

Or some weird shit like that, isn't actually spell reflect

[supple path]

Yeah I saw my debuff stacks still ticking up on the 'deflects' so figured some nonsense display bug. Good to confirm, thanks.

Also: man, I spent way too long not realizing all this loa talk was about the zandalari troll racial and feeling like I was secretly missing some new 8.1.5 buff mechanic.

[modern brook]

hi sense!

[shut summit]

👋

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[exotic spoke]

How did people not know heroic leap reset cooldown on taunt

[undone sun]

no one reads tooltips

[neon tangle]

It's not really an obvious "oh this ability should do X"

also IIRC the tooltip didn't used to say it

[undone sun]

it's new to 7.0

prior to that, it was a bonus perk

"new"

[warm plinth]

It's new to an entire expansion ago 🙃

[steel mauve]

used to be a talent on beserk rage

[stoic pilot]

Does anybody have it where sometimes your thunder claps just don't cast?

[undone sun]

zerker still puts the taunt cd down

[stoic pilot]

Like spamming it on cd but sometimes it just neglects the cast and eats the input

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's not just TC though. That happens to me on a lot of abilities, usually when sharding is involved

[stoic pilot]

I have it happen in instances a lot

[modern brook]

I get that during MA windows when i play Assassination

[stoic pilot]

I'm wondering if it's a spell queue tolerance issue

[modern brook]

REally fucking annoying

[warm plinth]

Can't say I've had it happen in an instance

[stoic pilot]

It only happens during avatar

[warm plinth]

Could be.

[steel mauve]

thought they took it off of beserk rage

[stoic pilot]

Is there a general rule when setting your spell queue? Or is it just whatever feels comfortable

[warm plinth]

They did; it's just on heroic leap now

The number I see most often thrown around is 150

But if you have higher latency, you wouldn't want to set it that low

[undone sun]

oh

that's right

it's no longer atalent

[sick sentinel]

Spell queue, the fuck is that

[neon tangle]

wait what, is that an option you can change?

[stoic pilot]

Yeah idk my latency is 17 atm

[warm plinth]

It's the window where you can hit a button before the GCD is up where the input still counts

[stoic pilot]

so 150 may work?

[sick sentinel]

Oh that

[warm plinth]

Yeah 150 should be fine for you

[undone sun]

they weren't mutually exclusive though, they coexisted in lgeion

[sick sentinel]

I thought it was a literal spell queue and not a latency que

[warm plinth]

Yeah they both existed in Legion; the berserker rage part was on Warlord's Challenge talent

[supple path]

It was their answer to the old days of casters having to use stopcast macros that clipped the ends of their casts to maximize DPS

[stoic pilot]

Nah sorry I didn't know the actual full command so I just put what of it I remembered lol

[sand egret]

oh spell clipping

how I don't miss you

[warm plinth]

The command is /console SpellQueueWindow xxx where xxx is the number of ms you want the window to be

Can also do /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") or use that addon that i can't remember the name of to see what it's currently set at.

400 is the default iirc

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit stopcasting

Never thought I see that again in any context

[sand egret]

while we're here....membie downranking skills?

peppridge farms remembers

[warm plinth]

Woah, woah

#vanilla-discussion XD

[modern brook]

yeah

lets keep this to prot discussion plz

[warm plinth]

We don't talk about that horrifying period of time in here.

[sand egret]

but useful commands.....for those who don't....adjusting your max zoomout is amazing for tanking

esp in the clusterfuck that is reaping

[modern brook]

wait how far out can i gohow

[warm plinth]

Speaking of zooming out, how do people bind shit to their mousewheel. I go crazy if I can't control my camera zoom

[modern brook]

I want to see the entire WoW

[sick sentinel]

Reminds me back in wrath when castsequence was a fucking thing

[sand egret]

2.5?

[sick sentinel]

Now, it's an add-on to make the game baby mode

[sand egret]

they manually clamp it so you have to override it, but I forgot it did it when I reinstalled and went for the longest time wondering wtf was wrong

[warm plinth]

Yeah there's an addon where you can change a lot of the hidden settings called Advanced CVars or some shit

[sand egret]

zoom out/top down and FPS. Only ways to tank imho 😃

[warm plinth]

Let's you view/change a lot of them

[sand egret]

enough of these no-healer M+s....I wanna see a timed high key with everyone in First Person view

[warm plinth]

Yikes

[modern brook]

😮

[sand egret]

i did that once years ago, tried to raid tank Sarth in 1st person

So much fun

[modern brook]

is there an addon to add minecraft weapons to the hud when in fp?

[undone sun]

hmmm

[modern brook]

only thing that stops me tbh

[brisk rain]

guys, i ascended, broke through 20k dps on m+13 key

finally broke through 20k overall xD

[simple tangle]

Is it posted what Pact is best for Zandalari Prot Warriors?

[keen spire]

After seeing the same questions posted 38 thousand times, it doesn't actually surprise me that people still don't know that HL resets taunt

[supple path]

It is one of those recurring ones I want to like create a PSA for. Along with, "The purple smash circles for reaping are off-center when the monster recently moved, and you can determine where it's actually going by looking where the casting mob is facing."

[sand egret]

Shouldn't shock you. There are tanks out there that still don't know how Taunt works....let alone what resets it.

I met a "tanking since Vanilla" guy who had no idea that that Taunt doesnt give flat threat

[modern brook]

@simple tangle Kimbul for ST DPS; Paku for AoE DPS; Bwom for surv

[supple path]

Just go ahead and assume I nitpicked all of the possible ways to misinterpret the original message there please.

[inland mesa]

HL?

[sand egret]

Heroic Leap

[modern brook]

when in doubt take the coolest one its a racial and doesnt matter

the coolest one is of course kimbull

cause his name is the closests to mine

[simple tangle]

Thanks Bullfango!

[inland mesa]

Oh really, usually when I leap I'm running away I never bothered to look at taunt reset

[sand egret]

I kinda wanna try Kimbull, does that proc on AoE spells? I take it no?

[simple tangle]

i'll prolly go paku cause its good for fury too

[modern brook]

Paku is the generally accepted choice

[sand egret]

yeah Chewtoy, it's super helpful when pulling multiple packs

[modern brook]

If u wanna be a real og u can join the gonk gang

[supple path]

#1 thing I like to use the taunt reset for is just "hey taunt failed randomly" scenarios

[sand egret]

^

[modern brook]

cool cats only

[lusty grotto]

gonkers

[sand egret]

speedbois

[lusty grotto]

rip all druid group

[sand egret]

i'm still waiting Nim...

[inland mesa]

Would help on grong when hes just like nah

[lusty grotto]

its not all druid group if its not all druids :p

[modern brook]

Fuck now i need to make one of those this meme brought to u by memes

[sand egret]

ahem, Butak disagrees Nim

[lusty grotto]

then we were waiting for @primal crypt and Duck

rip TW week tho

gotta run keys tonight 😦

[warm plinth]

Btw, leveling with TW is so juicy. Did one dungeon at 118 on my paladin; with draught of ten lands and heirlooms (no rings), 440k XP for one dungeon, which was like 55-60% of that level

[lusty grotto]

👊

[sand egret]

Yeah I got 5 levels in like an hour over the weekend and I had no heirlooms/pots

[warm plinth]

I've been telling people for a long time that TW was the way to go if it's available; I think most people look at the XP displayed on LFD and think I'm full of shit

[sand egret]

prob closer to 1.5 but yeah