protection

[modern brook]

so

unless you particularly like one of the dps specs; just play prot

[pulsar lodge]

ok, thanks for your answers guys !

[errant shuttle]

um is it me or are the M+ guides out of date for wowhead and icyvein?

[unborn island]

they are a little, yes

[errant shuttle]

i would just like to know the azerite priority for M+

but bom is placved 2nd to last

on guide

[unborn island]

the guide is for raiding

[errant shuttle]

which is confusing

[unborn island]

I thought

but BoM is amazing, DC you need at least one of

Ideally at least 1x DC, as many BoM as you can get

😃

[errant shuttle]

yea i know those 2

[errant shuttle]

but i wanna know for the other azerite traits

hm

[ionic fern]

What guide are you checking? 🤔

[errant shuttle]

i dont see that

was on wowhead

[ionic fern]

That SS is from the icy-veins guide.

[errant shuttle]

and M+ tips on icyveins didnt show that

guess i just need to find it

i see it now

damn i thought Revenge trait was at least decent

[sand egret]

it's not bad

[errant shuttle]

uh i was practicing tanking last night

[sand egret]

just because it's on the bottom of the list doesn't make it not decent

[errant shuttle]

managed to push up to 18wm

everything went fine up to

the ladywaycrest fight

wtf am i supposed to do against

wasting strikes

[ionic fern]

Did you reflect strikes?

[modern brook]

^

[errant shuttle]

i spell reflect

but thats pretty much it right?

just pop dr on wasting strikes

and pray?

[ionic fern]

Sr every other one and pump a IP before the ones you can't

It doesnt hurt that much

[errant shuttle]

it was hitting me like a truck

think i did something wrong

[modern brook]

Demoshout?

Like I can go down the list of things you're supposed to do asa prot warrior

but at 18 i figure you know most of that

[sand egret]

sounds like a case of the "oh shit wasting strike!" totally focuses on that and forgets to SB

[modern brook]

I think the only cuteness on Waycrest is SR wastings

[ionic fern]

I did a 18 yesyerday also..only 125k avg

[errant shuttle]

idk i dont know how to play prot lo

was just doing w.e

and praying

[lusty grotto]

lord waycrest hits like a fucking truck yeah

[errant shuttle]

missed timer on the run by 4 min cause i got deleted on waycrest fight

first run through im pretty sure i didnt know wasting strikes was magic

[sand egret]

i feel like the witches are far more of a problem than that fight this week

[errant shuttle]

witches went down easy

[modern brook]

Witches is a Numbers check

[lusty grotto]

nah

[modern brook]

if your healer is good

and your damage is fine

its ezpz

[lusty grotto]

witches are easy as long as you have the dps

everyone knows what to do by now

[modern brook]

XD no they dont nim

[modern brook]

people are big fucking stupid

[sand egret]

hol dup

oh nvm that's the same icon, thought you had a Feral in there

[errant shuttle]

so pretty much just sr everyother wasting strike

[sand egret]

basically

remember his damage scales throughout the fight

[lusty grotto]

and keep demo shout up as you should

[sand egret]

so that compounds a lot

[lusty grotto]

dont be afraid of walling

[ionic fern]

Pop IP for the other ones as well.

[errant shuttle]

yea second attempt on it went easier but we lusted when lady came out since timer was almost done

[ionic fern]

Remember to keep SB up as well for the melees ofc.

[errant shuttle]

ye

[crisp pecan]

how often he vast wasting strikes?

and how long does cast take?

[opal peak]

Man imagine thinking people know what to do

[ionic fern]

Every ~20s iirc

[opal peak]

I never know what to do and got to 2k on my monk pretty easily 😳

[crisp pecan]

and cast is like 1 sec?

i am having problems with chemical burn as well

[ionic fern]

Can't remember but it's pretty short.

[crisp pecan]

these 2 bosses are really pain in the ass, are there any specific timers you use to forecast that? just dbm?

[ionic fern]

For Chemical burn you can use the timers..tho they are kinda off so i usually pop SR around 2s before the timer actually goes to 0. 😂

[modern brook]

if u wanna job done right 🤷

[crisp pecan]

it would be good to have spciifc WA for chemical burn, is that possible?

[ionic fern]

On a side note..dwarf racial removes the Chemical Burn.

[modern brook]

dwarf racial is broken ban dwarfs from mdi plz

[opal peak]

Agreed

Force horse races

[modern brook]

^

[opal peak]

Horde

[modern brook]

horse only plz

[opal peak]

Tru

[jovial haven]

went into an 11 KR last night, instant deplete as the doors did not open. I hope that happens in the mdi

[modern brook]

did u walk forward?

[ionic fern]

Jeah, happened to us once as well..pretty unfortunate.

[jovial haven]

we went to the door and stood there for a minute or two

[crisp pecan]

you can somehow customize tracking specific cast in dbm?

[modern brook]

i mean ultimately chemical burn has ~.5ish second cast time

and any tracker will be based off boss timers or Target casting; the first would be liable to being off, similar to dbm and the 2ndwould require you to react within .5 seconds including server response time

just reflect ~2s bbefore dbm's timer is done

ezpz

[crisp pecan]

ye, so as @ionic fern says i would cast SR earlier, just need to track it, WA/ or some specific option in dbm?

[opal peak]

Man just have finger in the button and wait to see if ur targeted so u don’t waste reflect

[ionic fern]

DBM/LW tracks it by default

[opal peak]

Be a god

[sick sentinel]

lw tracks everything perfectly, dbm can be a bit yikes

[crisp pecan]

i believe tank is always one of targets

[modern brook]

Its proximity

[ionic fern]

It's proximity based

[crisp pecan]

boss casts 2

ah ok

[ionic fern]

The 2 closest people get it

[modern brook]

ie: if your dps are fucking mongos tryna real feel a goblin

you can skip it

[opal peak]

Oh so u can make sure u have it

[crisp pecan]

frankly, i hate this boss

[opal peak]

Interesting

See I don’t know how things work

Point proven

[sand egret]

I dump both on my dps every other one

[crisp pecan]

i would still do something with dbm today to specifically track it

[modern brook]

You also said monk - the closest thing to auto play before blizzard will ban you so

[sand egret]

cuz i'm an ass

[modern brook]

Just pass them all 🤷

[sand egret]

gotta pad the boss's meters with that Spell Reflect

[modern brook]

dps health pool is just surrogate tank health pool

[opal peak]

Tru bull

That’s y I’m a bad warrior

I’m too used to sleeping through isb and just purifying and dampen harm when a lot of damage

Warrior there’s actually things to press

[austere oar]

and things to think about

[modern brook]

and things to know

pRoAcTiViTy

[opal peak]

My brain to smol

I really just need to keep tweaking UI until I have things in the right spot and get more used to it so I don’t need to stare at my bars 😓

[jovial haven]

muscle memory is best friend, and good set of WA is 2nd best friend. I use luxthos' WA, they're really good

[opal peak]

I honestly don’t remember what I use - I have some bars in the middle@of my screen Bc I was new to war but I’m more comfortable with where my buttons are that I can prob move things around

This coming week looks annoying so might just focus on like 15s on my war instead of pushing higher keys on monk

[modern brook]

Bolstering fort is ass

though tbh i dont think the week is hard

def annoying tho

DEF a temple week

push on temples

[weary nacelle]

what makes temple easy?

[opal peak]

Nothing about it is hard

Any week really

Teeming fort has a couple of really annoying packs but it’s overall an easy dungeon

[jovial haven]

teeming is being changed though

[opal peak]

Plus bull, if I can get enough work in on my war to get comfy to do big keys, it’ll be better for next week than my monk

Teeming tyr volcanic 😌

How so @jovial haven

[jovial haven]

no one knows for sure yet, but they said they're changing it, maybe removing more mobs from certain packs

[opal peak]

All dungeons?

[errant shuttle]

Would you guys say next week is fairly easy?

Bolstering fort skittish

[jovial haven]

no specifics given yet @opal peak

[errant shuttle]

In comparison to this week

[wary gyro]

Depends on the dungeon

[opal peak]

Next week isn’t teeming

The reset after is

Tm is bolstering fort

Skit

[jovial haven]

yea, was just mentioning teeming cus you had said it in previous comment about temple

[merry cave]

Next week's worse than this week. This week's super easy as a war

[opal peak]

As any tank imo

This week isn’t bad, can be with no soothing

But even then

[crisp pecan]

as any tank, in 2 weeks it is going to be great

[jovial haven]

just lust on big trash pulls not bosses

[crisp pecan]

tyran, teeming, explosive

[opal peak]

Volcanic

Not explosive

[crisp pecan]

volcanic* soz

[opal peak]

Way better than explosive lol

[crisp pecan]

yepp

[merry cave]

Explosive wouldn't be great it's probably one of the slowest affixes now

[jovial haven]

yea

[opal peak]

Yup it cucks big pulls

[lusty grotto]

wut

[sand egret]

explosive is like warrior heaven

[lusty grotto]

explosive is no healer week

[jovial haven]

just make sure to have a dh for explosives

[sand egret]

just free heals for days

[lusty grotto]

DH?!

wtf

no

[wary gyro]

Yeah explosive is easy

[lusty grotto]

orbs are mine

[sand egret]

why you giving up 20% heals?

[wary gyro]

Gotta proc those victory rushes

[sand egret]

covet thy orbs

[jovial haven]

i know a dh that zooms all over the place killin orbs, he makes it hard for others to get them

[lusty grotto]

instant kick

finish with 4

[sand egret]

truf

[opal peak]

Oh tru forgot about that, I play monk more 😳

[merry cave]

Still slows pulls down more than most affixes except maybe bursting

[jovial haven]

haven't played prot during explosive yet, what do yall use to kill em, SS?

[merry cave]

Or Dev

[sand egret]

they die with a jaded stare

[modern brook]

or SS or DEV+aa or VR

[sand egret]

or even an off-hand comment

[opal peak]

Aa?

[modern brook]

auto attack

[opal peak]

Oh duh

[sand egret]

deva + a DW tick tbh

they have like no hp now

[modern brook]

I miss fort'd explosives TBH

Explosive Fort underrot pre-last boss fix

[wary gyro]

Yeah they take 1-2 autos at most

[modern brook]

😩 👌

[sand egret]

hey @lusty grotto i may have done something silly this weekend....i may have just power-boosted by DH to tank with >.<

[opal peak]

Maybe I’m weak af, last explosive weak it would take me like 2 dev if I didn’t have ss

Tho thinking about it I was real lo ilvl

[modern brook]

Blade wtf

[wary gyro]

Why would you do that to yourself blade

[sand egret]

timewalking man

it was a BREEZE

[modern brook]

u cant even be a zandalari blade

[sand egret]

i got like 5 levels in an hour

[modern brook]

literally the worst decision ive ever seen

are you 120 yet?

[sand egret]

ya

[modern brook]

fuck 😠

[wary gyro]

Yeah but dh tanking

[modern brook]

i need a tank to carry my warlock to 120

[stoic pilot]

DH tanking so fun

Just so squishy

[modern brook]

dungeon queues so long

DH tanking is fun

[sand egret]

i gotta run through 5 more for the quest

[modern brook]

when ur havoc

[stoic pilot]

Antorus vengeance 😢

[sand egret]

we'll see. I'm an off-meta tank tbh but it's another leather tank and I have a soft spot for Veng

and also boredom +TW

[lusty grotto]

its ok blade im grinding rep on my ally rogue now 😦

[stoic pilot]

Did you use the heirlooms too blade?

[opal peak]

Ya I don’t get DH tanking like y play a not so great spec when the other spec is Pog

[lusty grotto]

had to pause to finish KH3, should be done with it this week

[naive panther]

Dh tanking is aids. May be fun, but can be fun for a while till you get sick of having to run like a little bitch all the tome

[lusty grotto]

we gotta run that druid group though

was waiting for it all week 😦

rip TW

[naive panther]

Would love for veng to get some changes as it’s the reason I came back to this game for legion.

[modern brook]

Venge needs a rework TBH

[naive panther]

Only making war my main now

[modern brook]

its too centralized on things that dont exist in the game anymore

[naive panther]

It needs a full rework for sure. But some quick tweaks would make it bearable.

[sick sentinel]

Is there any trinket rating list?

[modern brook]

Uhhh

here:

Defensives: Oppulence > Stat sticks > everything else

the offensive one is a little trickier imo

cause anchors really good

but more stats is always a good look

[opal peak]

420 vial 😌

[sick sentinel]

So is the oppulence trinket marginally better or is it insane?

[lusty grotto]

its top

[modern brook]

significantly better

[lusty grotto]

except for necrotic week

[modern brook]

ITs passive STR and the way it gains stacks works really well with how we mitigate damage

[lusty grotto]

but it's the top def trinket for every other week

[modern brook]

^ also that

A good balanced set up would be something like DLPR and an On-use stat steroid

like the Darkshore wb trinket or vial

or uhh

Galecaller's beak

[lusty grotto]

RAGE / feather

[modern brook]

if u can get a sick Titan forge

[primal crypt]

Or alch trink

[modern brook]

^ on procs like REzan and Gore block are also really good

[opal peak]

I need to get my warrior a heroic op today to try and get the trink 😦

[naive panther]

Diamond heals as much as ip this week over the course of a dungeon

[modern brook]

the argument is that more stat sticks would provide more damage reduction then a 2nd ip would

[lusty grotto]

necrotic

[modern brook]

with necrotic

not that DLRP is bad; just not clearly a defensive BIS anymore

[naive panther]

Yeah agree on that at least. Dr is king on necro

[wary gyro]

This is one of the few affixes that I prefer tanking on my pally since I can mostly just ignore necrotic entirely

[modern brook]

I mean

I mostly ignore nerotic entirely

I recently found out its a 2% healing reduction

[wary gyro]

Yeah

[modern brook]

Always thought it was 1

[astral crystal]

is that ignoring or being ignorant 🤔

[modern brook]

Both

I'd just hold till 30 and then start trying to drop

I'd be like stop whining healer its only a 30% reduction

[wary gyro]

I usually drop at around 40 on my pally

[opal peak]

I get yelled at to kite around 25 when on my brew

[sick sentinel]

hi is Zandalari Troll worth?

[unborn island]

I find if I'm getting a little necrotic stacky then it's probably time to pop stoneform and continue

[opal peak]

😦

[outer dew]

If you had to drop stacks, your not doing enough dps :^)

I'll play the game of chicken

[opal peak]

I do that often on my war... tho mainly Bc I’m focusing on so many things I forget about necrotic for awhile

Doesn’t always work out

[jovial haven]

always fun when you forget about necrotic to realize you're at 50 stacks

[opal peak]

Ya I generally notice around 40-50 stack range

[remote mist]

got a question for You guys, it is said You can spell reflect the Cyclone Strike on the first boss in Temple of Sethraliss, tried doing it and yet took damage anyway. Is this fixed, or am i doing something wrong?

[stoic pilot]

Doing something wrong

[dense flame]

Make sure the cyclone not targeting you

[lime mantle]

I try to reset at 50~ with DID but my healer yells at me at 30ish because then he can’t heal me (read he has to heal me instead of larping as a feral)

[stoic pilot]

You need to make sure it’s not initially targeted on you.

[dense flame]

Stand right on top of boss. Make sure you don’t reflect jolt

[remote mist]

definitely wasnt on me, happened 3 times toady when i was trying it, doubt its the jolts in all three times

[opal peak]

Ya I feel it a lot more on my monk so I have to dip out at like 25 stacks or I get yelled at

Are you getting hit early by multiple or are u hitting just 1 cyclone

[dense flame]

Gotta love mw monks man. Just pound me with heals. Dgaf about necrotic

Or you know what’s even bigger than a huge healer

[opal peak]

Bob

[dense flame]

A damn Druid with trees or earth elemental

Big bob big too 😂

[opal peak]

They die real quick on necro weeks but nice to help reset stacks without kiting really

[sick sentinel]

is the zandalari troll racials worth?

[old zephyr]

BoB?

[dense flame]

It’s a reference.

To Harold and kumar

Movie.

[naive panther]

War has dr don’t even have to kite necro. Vengeance you kite before you even start.

[vivid drum]

What are the collective thoughts on the value of the Alchemy trinket vs the traditional versions, I have the 415 Alchemy, alongside a 400+socket Jes's Howler and a 400 DLPR, not sure which of the two I should be running in combination with the DLPR?

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel worth what

17.50+ tax to race change?

probably not

[limpid hinge]

@vivid drum depends on how you want mitigation. are you looking fro strong mitigation windows or smoother throughput

[modern brook]

to look cool

sure

regeneratin is a strong ability

the loa are pretty in line with other racials

the swoop is nice QoL

no more path not found deaths

[outer dew]

Imagine not being a night elf for smeld

:&)

[umbral forge]

I got zandalari, kul tirans and 2 free race changes. I love Blizzard

[modern brook]

Night elf for smeld is an ez 25 USD decision TBH @outer dew

zandalari for dumb nature god gifts?

shaky 17.50

[austere oar]

for the 2% more golds

[modern brook]

only from mobs

ie: instead of 2gold u get 2 gold +2 copper

[jovial haven]

wait 2 free race changes? @umbral forge

[modern brook]

really should be city of copper

:^(

[outer dew]

Being a NE/Dwarf is worth

[austere oar]

imagine playing alliance

yikes

[modern brook]

^

My dream is that BFA will break up the alliance

And we'll get new factions

Cool kids and big fat nerds

[vivid drum]

@limpid hinge I think probably smoother throughput overall, I'm assuming that the logic would be that Howler is a useful button for creating a window, whereas the alchemy trinket smooths overall?

[modern brook]

Cool kids will be Orcs NE DS Troll, both dwarves and we'll let tauren in cause cairn was a bamf

Big fat nerds is everyone else

also fem draenai, for cool kids

:hooves:

[umbral forge]

Yeah I transferred over my Monk to Alliance cause I was halfway through Pride of Kul Tiras. Finished it & Tides war campaign.
But found out I was only revered with Proudmoore so faction changed my main to unlock them.
Went to faction change them back, was a "cooldown" made a ticket to ask blizzard to remove cooldown and instead they just gave me 2 free faction changes on both toons & refunded me @jovial haven

[modern brook]

u take 415 alch trinket @sage yacht

+dlrp

[jovial haven]

well played

[winter aspen]

Wtf

200 IQ scam

[umbral forge]

No not a scam at all I kinda very much told Blizzard exactly what I was doing

[modern brook]

HAHA SCAMMED

NOW I CAN FACTION CHANGE MY CHARACTERS

:^)

[limpid hinge]

@vivid drum Yes. howler is good on weeks like raging where there are predictable large amounts of incoming damage, but because of the cool down it gives less overall stats over an entire dungeon, especially if it is lower leveled. i use a https://www.wowhead.com/item=165661/ancient-tuskarr-sea-charm&bonus=0:1537 since its procs are high.

[opal peak]

i kinda wish NE was horde, but 🤷🏼 zandalari is tempting for my monk but that's only bc i can get real high stagger and get low - kite and just heal up instead of dropping even lower - warrior u pc out and ur not still taking damage so not as big in my mind

[sand egret]

@umbral forge with the new Allied Races/discounts on transfers I'm sure their policy towards refunds and such are VERY generous right now

(esp because that system is infamous for weird, weird gamestate bugs)

[umbral forge]

@sand egret Yeah, and I recently did a full faction swap which seems to have put me in the good graces of blizzard, spent a lot of money on that ^^

[full palm]

When will they nerf our damage?

[sick sentinel]

8.2

[sand egret]

8.6.1

[lusty grotto]

10.5

[full palm]

Think so?

8.2

[sand egret]

no one in this chat can answer that question, realistically

[sick sentinel]

yeah, possible before 8.1.5 raid release but very unlikely, so next obvious window is 8.2 for "balance" changes

no, but i think we all agree it will happen, just guessing on the window

[full palm]

@sand egret I didn't ask for an exact date but rather an idea. So i should d invest time into my prot or bm

[lusty grotto]

this is the problem with rerollers

[sand egret]

you're more likely to see other tanks get buffed than us getting clipped (overtly, although they'll most likely redistribute our power which will be read by most as a "nerf")

play BM

it'll always be good

unless they legit remove Stagger

[opal peak]

the best guess is 8.2 imo with mdi coming up to display war damage to every1 - if not next big patch after mdi, u could never guess

man give brew more dps 😡

[sick sentinel]

yeah mdi is a good point too

[opal peak]

it feels so bad

[sand egret]

see here's my 2cents from a design-ey side: At this point if "damage" is the nail, the move would be to throw a bone to non-Prots (Pallies included) in their burst damage potential.

[opal peak]

i mean even pallies can do pretty good damage

[sand egret]

they do insane damage

[opal peak]

obvi not as much

[sand egret]

highest on ST

out of the tanks

[opal peak]

but brew does jack

literally wet noodles

[wary gyro]

Pally can pump a good amount of damage with seraphim

[sick sentinel]

yeah st is paladin, we'll likely see a slight bump on BM and a nerf on prot war

[sand egret]

yeah which just speaks to the pretty obvious difference: tanks with dps cooldowns vs tanks without

[opal peak]

even ST, my war was doing as much as my monk with like 15 ilvl less

[sand egret]

so you're more likely to see them buff the other tanks with some sort of burst damage, as in terms of mitigation tanking is actually pretty balanced tbh

[opal peak]

just give brew double keg smash, breath of fire again and bring back explosive keg

EZ

[sick sentinel]

guardian druids would say otherwise :)

[sand egret]

actual guardians disagree

[opal peak]

i mean there's a 3k bear

so

[sand egret]

talk to us on Fort week

[sick sentinel]

i'm not so i'll take your word for it, just based on their discord conversations

[modern brook]

8.1 guardian is 8.0 prot TBH

they're not nearly as bad as reddit would have you believe

[sand egret]

well bear discord is fucking depressing as literally no one in there plays bear

[neon tangle]

@sand egret https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#boss=2276&difficulty=4&class=Tanks

[modern brook]

def some things to address

but the core of the class is there

[sand egret]

at least currently

[modern brook]

and it works

[opal peak]

there's just a bigger skill gap

[wary gyro]

Meanwhile vengeance is sitting in the corner waiting for a rework

[knotty wagon]

Blightborn infusion vs Callous reprisal

[sand egret]

CR

@neon tangle yeah that's what I'm saying. They'll wanna nudge that skew so there's a bit more colors other than brown/pink 😃

[neon tangle]

I’m more saying that prot warrior beats pally ST

It’s the best at all things damage

[modern brook]

CR

Pally ST is nutso imo

[sand egret]

other than Boosts's outlier

those are right there

[opal peak]

also who cares about raid rankings, m+ is the important thing

😃

[modern brook]

cuddles dropping straight facts

[sand egret]

there's just way MORE warriors since a ton re-rolled

[modern brook]

the only time your choice of tank in raid matters is when its vdh

[sand egret]

imho, but that's mah feels

[daring marlin]

@sand egret prot paladin has some insane burst potential

[opal peak]

but like as far as i know we talking m+ damage.... and ur going to work ur spec/traits around raid differently than m+

[daring marlin]

It just requires seraphim

[modern brook]

In season 1 i was top 10 warriors on US-thrall at 900 io

[neon tangle]

They are 17 out of the top 20

[sand egret]

without seraphim

the ability to spike your damage to match your dps's cooldowns

[sick sentinel]

paladin will take next season, possibly BM

[daring marlin]

Imagine seraphim baseline

[sand egret]

is what's valuable, and Avengring Wrath still does that

[daring marlin]

the dream

[opal peak]

i was top 10 brew on illidan until yesterday 😡 some1 past me and knocked me to purple

same io would be like 20 warrior

[daring marlin]

I wish they’d make seraphim like it was in legion at the start

30 sec cd

opop

[sand egret]

my bet is that DRW will get some love on the damage side, so will Meta, bears will get a cooldown and monks....well I dunno but prob something

basically all tanks have a tool that they can hit at a moment to be like "i'm doing more damage now"

[daring marlin]

A buff to the other tank’s damage would be ideal. No nerf to our fun, please!

[opal peak]

? what button is that

for monks

[sand egret]

yeah i think this part in the expansion, the'll just embrace the tanks can do a bunch of damage sentiment

[daring marlin]

who cares

:p

[sand egret]

a button we don't know about

[opal peak]

i need to find it

[sand egret]

you can't if they haven't made it yet

[opal peak]

when i run with my druid healer he yells at me to kite earlier bc his damage is worth more than mine 😦

[sick sentinel]

mid-expansion they won't add a new button for anyone unless its abilities on the neck

[opal peak]

he aint wrong

[sand egret]

they have before and can again

[sick sentinel]

lets say unlikely

[wary gyro]

They've done it a lot actually

[sand egret]

yeah, it'd say it's just as likely

[opal peak]

tbh i'd expect double keg smash and maybe an extra ability like explosive keg more than a real offensive cd

[sick sentinel]

most likely is a nerf to warrior and throw a bone to others

[sand egret]

they'll redistribute us more than anything (and probably skim off the top)

[wary gyro]

I do expect some tuning around the avatar talent

[sand egret]

Unstoppable Force is going to get clipped

[opal peak]

wouldnt be surprised to see avatar trait nerfed to 50% ... and maybe give a buff to others

ya that 1

i r smart

[sand egret]

100% scaling on that ability just spells yikes for future space

[wary gyro]

I expect more of a cdr nerd on the trait than a damage nerf

[opal peak]

nah

[sand egret]

the CDR is not gonna happen since that affects rage gen

[opal peak]

100% dmg + half cd on clap

way too big

[sand egret]

i'd say 75% and a slight buff to Revenge

damage that is

[mossy cave]

When historically have they ever "buffed all the others" when there is one clear outlier?

[opal peak]

anything less than a 50% nerf would be shocking

[wary gyro]

It's a bit hard to call without knowing more about the neck changes

[opal peak]

i mean

[sick sentinel]

@mossy cave exactly, just makes a lot more sense to fix the issue than adjust everyone else up

[opal peak]

when a tank can get within 5-10k dps overall with dps

that's more than "just buff other tank dmg"

[mossy cave]

It does make more sense but buffing 4 classes to balance is a lot less likely than nerfing the 1.

[sand egret]

is there some magical line I don't know about

[wary gyro]

You only get within 5-10k?

[sand egret]

where tanks have to be X% of a dps's damage?

[opal peak]

no

but still dumb

and i dont mean like high end players

bc there would be a bigger gap

[winter aspen]

Prot has no uti

[opal peak]

but like i suck

[mossy cave]

I read you wrong Limes. We said the same thing

[sand egret]

Prot has plenty of Uti

[wary gyro]

However blizzard is more likely to tune the outlier than buff everyone else

[winter aspen]

Give prot sigil of chains or other shit then you can nerf

[sand egret]

wut.

[winter aspen]

Without the dmg prot is dumpster tier

[sand egret]

this is a hard troll?

🤔

[mossy cave]

I played bear for nearly 6 years until they "adjusted" them in 7.1.5. The problem is that they find several changes that make sense individually but they do them all at once and it becomes laughable.

I abandoned my bear after guldan

[opal peak]

please explain how war is dumpster tier without dmg

[sick sentinel]

prot is fine without the OP damage

[sand egret]

I enjoyed bear post Nighthold

[winter aspen]

Youd never take prot over BDK without the dmg

[opal peak]

?

bdk suck

[mossy cave]

I wouldnt say dumpster tier but the high level folks who are playing them have stated they rerolled for the dmg piece, all other things considered

[winter aspen]

Ever

[sand egret]

that's my point

[winter aspen]

And BDK was S tier since m+ came out

[opal peak]

i mean not after last nerf

they're still good but not god

[mossy cave]

BDK was awful before legionfall.

[wary gyro]

And yet right now pally is beating it without the warrior level damage

[opal peak]

pally/brew/dk are all really close

[sand egret]

I just see them going into buffs than nerfs this time around

just from overall meta sentiment

[winter aspen]

Because pally can heal and has shitload of uti

Also good dmg

[mossy cave]

umbilicus etrnus and group leech turned more people onto bdk and many stayed after legion.

[winter aspen]

Prot uti is shockwave and 3% shout

[sand egret]

as it's functionally irrelevant if they nerf one or buff all, as the mitigation side of things is solid. I think they'll side with the "more fun" at this point in the expansion

[wary gyro]

Pally has about the same utility as warrior

[mossy cave]

Intervene has it's uses as well tho

[analog swift]

Ehhh

[winter aspen]

LOL

[analog swift]

Pally has cleanse which is op

[opal peak]

i wouldn't say that puppies...

[analog swift]

Shit tons of kicks

[sick sentinel]

nah man, paladin has insane util

[winter aspen]

If healer dies prot can survive with how much it can offheal

[chilly brook]

We still talking about how prot is gonna get a damage nerf?

[wary gyro]

Not in high keys

[primal crypt]

Paladin > warrior

[undone sun]

Everyday @chilly brook

[primal crypt]

It is not the "same" utilities

[chilly brook]

Did you guys forget that we did just as much damage for the most part last patch?

[sand egret]

I just think they'll go the other way this time @chilly brook

[sick sentinel]

season 3 the first 2 pages will be pink, come back to this comment in a couple of months

[opal peak]

ya but not in limelight then

[primal crypt]

Oh this happened before? @sand egret

[sand egret]

and just bring up some of the other tanks (maybe with a slight slap to us)

[opal peak]

now it will be in full display for mdi

instead of all bdk

[primal crypt]

Are these all the fotm rerollers?

[winter aspen]

Prot can receive a nerf but if its not top 1 tank dps at any point without any uti added = dumpster tier

Literal guardian druid

[sand egret]

@primal crypt plenty of times throughout WoW 😃

[chilly brook]

Oh you mean how BDK was in the mdi headlines for an entire expansion before actually getting a nerf?

[primal crypt]

:)

[chilly brook]

Yea I wouldn’t count on a damage nerf

[primal crypt]

Griff is here, I can go back to work

[opal peak]

lol

[primal crypt]

Lel

[chilly brook]

Oh hai

I just picked up the division 2

[winter aspen]

Yeah but BDK is a “hero” class

[chilly brook]

Better rpg than wow so far 😉

[primal crypt]

I heard it was pretty good

[winter aspen]

Like DH havoc those never get any nerfs

[primal crypt]

Rave reviews

[analog swift]

Honestly I’m ok with damage nerf just keep ip off gcd 😃

[chilly brook]

DH never got any direct nerf

[sand egret]

the real question is how's the end-game. The story of the first one was great....

[lusty grotto]

Loot shooters are boring af for me

[chilly brook]

Their nerfs all came in under the radar when the artifact was yeeted

[lusty grotto]

They were great before, now not so much

[chilly brook]

@sand egret from what I’m seeing it’s good stuff, challenging and tons of stuff to work towards

Been watching towellie

[lusty grotto]

I do have the first one though

[signal plover]

Division 2 is a breath of fresh air

[lusty grotto]

Blah

🤢 loot shooters

[signal plover]

Lol keep playing wow I think I'm finally nearing my end

[lusty grotto]

I'm playing kh3

[modern brook]

Yall play bad games

[chilly brook]

I quite like having my crusader shield in division 2

talks about people playing bad games but has wow installed

Pepega

[sand egret]

can you use it to completely exploit the terrain this time around?

[lusty grotto]

Kh3 is also a disappointment for me, the combat did not age well

[modern brook]

I'd take u more seriously if u didnt play baby csgo 🤷

[lusty grotto]

Im playing Spiderman right after it then re2

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s not really anything like CS

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

guns and hallway simulator = cs

[lusty grotto]

I played vanilla cs bruh

[modern brook]

I'm a 1.6 baby

[lusty grotto]

1.3

[chilly brook]

I mean guns and hallways is about the only similarities

[sand egret]

1.3 is when i started

[lusty grotto]

Me too

[signal plover]

Man y'all must be EU cuz for NA division 2 is just real life 2024 simulator

[sand egret]

well during that update

i remember doing that update early

and being like OMG CHANGES?!

[chilly brook]

@signal plover the sad thing is I wouldn’t be surprised and I don’t think you’re wrong

[lusty grotto]

Bunny hopping tho

[sand egret]

yeee

[signal plover]

Sad days

[modern brook]

Dude know what was way to good of a game to be treated like it was

fucking Tribes man

[sand egret]

i worked on that 😃

[modern brook]

😮

WHICH ONE

BLADe

[chilly brook]

I watched this video today of this kid working in a vape shop that literally became full autist just because a dude walked in wearing a MAGA hat like I mean the guy went full screech not gonna lie

So I really wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the way we’re headed in the US

[sand egret]

the newest one

[modern brook]

AscenD?

[sand egret]

but tribes 2 was my jam

yeah

[modern brook]

U BITCH

😠

1. ty for all your hard work

[naive panther]

Havoc was nerfed a ton of times in legion what you smoking. The spec changed drastically because of it

[modern brook]

2. I'm so mad at hi rez for killing ascend

[sand egret]

(it was a very tough project)

[modern brook]

I'd imagine

I'd love tot alk to you about it tbh

that game was my shit

[chilly brook]

@modern brook I think we can both agree that all other FPS’s are gonna be dead when the MCC releases on pc

😉

[lusty grotto]

I really want sekiro

[chilly brook]

It looks good

[modern brook]

@chilly brook the only FPS I play is minecraft

TBH

[signal plover]

Mine Craft Competitive?

[sand egret]

Spinfuser will always be in my ❤ as fav weapons in a game

[lusty grotto]

Anxiously waiting for it

[modern brook]

Master cheif collection

And yeah griff

I'll play with you on that tbh

[wary gyro]

I'm very hype for the mcc

[modern brook]

Spinfuser is fucking sick man

[signal plover]

Yay we can finally all see how mediocre Halo actually is when compared to PC games

[sand egret]

guy i work with right now just came from that team

MCC that is

[chilly brook]

Halo multiplayer is great

[modern brook]

the whole concept of momentum in tribes is just awesome

[chilly brook]

It’s never been mediocre

[modern brook]

really unique game

really well done

[lusty grotto]

Tribes oof

[chilly brook]

Halo 5 was awesome in terms of multiplayer tbh

[sand egret]

yeah they really flexed physics in an fps in an intentional way (see Quake)

[chilly brook]

I just can’t stand playing shooters on console

[lusty grotto]

Tribes was so much fun

[wary gyro]

Tribes deserved way better than it got

[modern brook]

Blade was apart of the team that killed it @lusty grotto

:^)

[chilly brook]

So did Lawbreakers

But hey

[signal plover]

Well anyway my point is wow is trash but lol

[chilly brook]

^

[signal plover]

Still love the warr

Still love mythic raids

[chilly brook]

I really don’t understand why Lawbreakers failed so hard

[sand egret]

I do haha

[modern brook]

Didnt it compete with Overwatch?

[signal plover]

Did it break the law?

[chilly brook]

It tried

Which was probably why

[modern brook]

yeah not that OW is a good game

[signal plover]

Overwatch killed like two games at the same time

[sand egret]

I have a few coworkers who came from there

[signal plover]

What was the other one

[modern brook]

but it has a lot of hype on it and anything remotely close to a TF2 clone was marked down as chinese OW

[signal plover]

Battlerite?

[modern brook]

DUDE battlerite was actually sick

ppl slept on that game so hard

[signal plover]

Wait dthat the topdown?

[chilly brook]

Wasn’t it basically moba in FPS form?

[modern brook]

It was smite-esque

w/ shooter elements

probably the best description

[signal plover]

There was a top down that was good

[wary gyro]

Lawbreakers had the issue of terrible timing and poor marketing alongside a dev team that decided to jump ship to release a failed br game because it was the new hotness

[modern brook]

LB was bR? didnt know that

[sand egret]

it wasn't

[chilly brook]

Nah

He’s talking about radical heights

[modern brook]

@sand egret why did hi rez put money into smite but not Ascend?

[signal plover]

Battleborn was what I was thinking sorry

[chilly brook]

I actually had fun with radical heights

[sand egret]

yeah I was gonna say Battleborn got curbed by OW

[chilly brook]

Just a shame that hey were basically forced into that situation

[wary gyro]

Yeah I was referring to radical heights as the br

[modern brook]

Battle born was def what i was thinking also

[sand egret]

unfortunately they picked the same design style

[modern brook]

Though battle rite is a good game too; just not what i was thinking of

[signal plover]

Ya

[sand egret]

@modern brook prob cuz Smite makes more money 😃

[modern brook]

😠

[sand egret]

what are the affixes next week?

[modern brook]

skittish bolster fort

[sand egret]

ooh bolster/fort/ <none>

gotcha

[modern brook]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

I need me some shadows die twice in my life

[sand egret]

that game is so damn good

[lusty grotto]

Need that fromsoft

[modern brook]

I'm sucha fromsoft hipster dude

[sick sentinel]

shrine 19 in time POG

3:23 under timer

[modern brook]

On the one hand im really happy darksouls blew up cause god damn do they deserve it

[sand egret]

so :23 under pre-nerf

😃

[lusty grotto]

Ez kaege

[modern brook]

but ive played like everything in their catalouge

I've absolutely loved their work since PS1

[chilly brook]

I’ve realized that I apparently just have a soft spot for Ubisoft games

[lusty grotto]

I need bloodbourne 2 as well

[modern brook]

grats kaege!

[lusty grotto]

Wtb

[west kayak]

I am waiting for the new Grim Dawn expansion releasing this month. Looks really good.

[modern brook]

ubisoft is like EA lite dude

[lusty grotto]

Loot shooters bleh

[chilly brook]

But they also have good IPs

[winter aspen]

Sekiro coming out in 2 days

[modern brook]

Also true

[lusty grotto]

Hey I'm a Battlefield fan

Ya morth

[modern brook]

My experieence with UBi is they have great ideas and really fail to execute on them

[chilly brook]

All I want

[lusty grotto]

That's what we're talking about

[modern brook]

citing watch dogs and 90% of the assassin creed series

[sand egret]

Ubi has a massive marketing department

[chilly brook]

That’s the reason why I like them tbh is they have ideas no one else does

[modern brook]

they're hampered a lot by trying to pump out a game a year

[sand egret]

which is a blessing and curse for dev

[narrow abyss]

They stink at execution

[lusty grotto]

Honestly I loved ac2 and black flag

[narrow abyss]

But division 2 apparently great

[lusty grotto]

And fc3

[modern brook]

AC2 was great

[chilly brook]

GIVE ME THE NEXT SPLINTER CELL DAMNIT

[lusty grotto]

Loot shooters bleh again

[winter aspen]

AC 2,4 and the ezio ones were the only good

[modern brook]

Most of the rest was pretty ehh

[sand egret]

i want a new Deus Ex

[chilly brook]

They might stink at execution but at least they’re committed to fixing the games and making them good

[modern brook]

didnt we get one?

@chilly brook I'm super willing to get behind that idea

if the game wasnt going to be obsoleted next year

why release a half finished game, fix it over a year, and then release another half finished game

its just dumb

[chilly brook]

I mean

[wary gyro]

I want a remaster of the original deus ex

[modern brook]

again, citing the AC series

[lusty grotto]

If only loot shooters were fun for longer than a month

[chilly brook]

Siege isn’t obsoleted nor is For Honor 😉

[west kayak]

Is the new Division worth it you think? Unlike Nim I do enjoy "Loot Shooters." :)

[modern brook]

Do people play for honor?

[chilly brook]

If only WoW was fun for longer than an hour 😜

[sand egret]

@modern brook I don't count Breach 😃

[modern brook]

I remeber it being super hyped up and then released and never heard of it again

[chilly brook]

Yea plenty of

[lusty grotto]

Yo I had fun in div 1, even with all the hackers in the dead zone

[narrow abyss]

It’s gotten good reviews and reddit feedback

[modern brook]

I generally dont buy single player games until they're sub 40

[chilly brook]

It’s got a larger console audience but the dedicated servers and rebalancing of heroes did a lot for FH on pc

[lusty grotto]

But I just don't see the point in playing them anymore

[narrow abyss]

But MMOs are always fun until end game

[modern brook]

and i dont buy multiplayer games unless I'm still hearing stuff about it ~3 months after release

[lusty grotto]

At least we got apex

[narrow abyss]

Verdict out on end game like any other mmo

[lusty grotto]

👍

[modern brook]

Like apex has been out for a bit now and im still hearing shit about it

and its also free

so I'll probably pick it up

[signal plover]

Apex is good if you like BR

[chilly brook]

Not a bad idea

[signal plover]

Unique enough

[chilly brook]

It’s also good if you like games where you can’t actually solo

[sand egret]

yeah if you can handle the peaks/valleys that come with BR, it's solid

[modern brook]

I think pokemon main sereis is the only exception lol

[signal plover]

Ur forced to play with 2 other ppl

[chilly brook]

Like actually forced

[narrow abyss]

Haha yeah

No solo

Legit forced

[chilly brook]

Not just get into the lobby with two others

[narrow abyss]

Logged in first game

They were like ayyyy we got pussybox

[chilly brook]

But like you have to play together to get anywhere

[narrow abyss]

I was like oh god

[signal plover]

I was like GL guys I've got no idea wtf is going on

[narrow abyss]

Hahaha

[modern brook]

hellyeah dude

[lusty grotto]

W8

[modern brook]

I wanna queue w/ pussy box

[lusty grotto]

You don't hot deploy?

Pussy box

[signal plover]

U do

[chilly brook]

Me too 🙃

[sand egret]

I won with a first-timer last night 😃

[modern brook]

Team pussy box

[lusty grotto]

Paw you didn't get what I asked

[modern brook]

me puzzle nim who else

[signal plover]

Most of us probably have 2 friends

[modern brook]

or is it only 3

IDK how to play this game

:^)

[winter aspen]

From soft and rockstar are the only companies Ill buy fullprice games

[wary gyro]

The thing I like about apex is if someone dies in a firefight you can bring them back so you're not just sol for the rest of the match

[narrow abyss]

I’m washed up with those type of shooters

[chilly brook]

Only 3

[narrow abyss]

Too old

[lusty grotto]

I always go dropship/circle

[modern brook]

Morth thats a bad idea

[signal plover]

My new strat with division 2 is to take my sweet ass time so that they actually have endgame content by the time I get there.

[modern brook]

Buyin fromsoft fullprice means ur supporting konami

[sand egret]

oh I have Rockstar stories....

[lusty grotto]

Cause I'm the inverse of the pussybox

[modern brook]

which in turn means ur not supporting Metal gear

[chilly brook]

I won’t buy rockstar games at full price

[winter aspen]

Ill buy kojima game fullprice also

[signal plover]

Nim ur a dick cardboard?

[chilly brook]

Not with their aggressive micro transactions

[modern brook]

Did Kojimas new game come out?

[winter aspen]

When its released in 2030

[lusty grotto]

Yes paw

[signal plover]

Ya bb

[lusty grotto]

I hot deploy cause I ain't no pussy

[primal crypt]

[signal plover]

Let's go star citizen 2030 ayyyyy

[modern brook]

Yo anyone here play DUST?

[lusty grotto]

That's how you play BRs

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

[narrow abyss]

Hiiii yamo

[chilly brook]

Star citizen

That’s a huge yikes

[primal crypt]

Allo

[signal plover]

My favorite roller coaster of yikes

[primal crypt]

Ive started transitioning into my pvp state

[chilly brook]

My favorite refund

[primal crypt]

Pve is slowing down

[wary gyro]

Are they still even working on star citezen

[narrow abyss]

Same

[chilly brook]

Yes

[signal plover]

Hell yeah bud

[narrow abyss]

I’m getting bored

[signal plover]

We're almost in alpha

[chilly brook]

They’re working on stupid shit though

[winter aspen]

lol that game

[signal plover]

And SP has only been delayed 5 years

[winter aspen]

Ship dlc for 2000 dollars

[modern brook]

@primal crypt take me on ur PVP journey plz

[lusty grotto]

Hey did you guys remember when we said we were doing that all druid group for tw, and we didn't? Yeah I remember

[modern brook]

I'm tryna learn how to vPs

[primal crypt]

My team isn't as excited to push these days, although we try

[narrow abyss]

I can’t get my team to sit down

[primal crypt]

We just don't put as much effort

[narrow abyss]

To play

[chilly brook]

You’re also forgetting that the original intent has been altered completely and the game people backed 7 years ago isn’t the game they’re gonna get

In any shape or form

[narrow abyss]

I found 2 other people who are thirsty af

[signal plover]

I pity whatever poor fotm warrior comes in here today asking for help

[primal crypt]

So ive been pvping as arms and ret

[signal plover]

We've full derailed

[primal crypt]

Ret pvp is spicy boi

So much burst lmao

[narrow abyss]

But they haven’t gone as high as I have so there’s a bit of learning

[lusty grotto]

Paw this is your fault

[narrow abyss]

Godddd

[lusty grotto]

You didn't police enough

[chilly brook]

Sorry I’m a salty fucker when it comes to SC

[daring kayak]

is this where the prot warriors are

[primal crypt]

Arms mortal strike on kids with the maledict trinket

[chilly brook]

No this is where the WoW refugees are

[primal crypt]

Then you go into eye of the storm as prot

[chilly brook]

We’ve all canceled our subs

[signal plover]

Usually I police but wow has killed my interest in wow

[lusty grotto]

Our team has 3 glad players, me included ;)

[signal plover]

Like we may get CE jaina

[primal crypt]

And stay in the middle knocking people off all day

[signal plover]

But we may not

And that's prolly it for me

[lusty grotto]

But our hunter is the true multiglad

[opal peak]

heck pvp

[chilly brook]

@signal plover I feel you man

[daring kayak]

Alright thanks for the insight

[lusty grotto]

Griff wtf you resubbed for like 2 weeks lol

[modern brook]

hey guys is CR > 4th DC?

[chilly brook]

@daring kayak I assume you needed help with something?

[lusty grotto]

What was your question @daring kayak ?

[chilly brook]

I resubbed for two months*

[wary gyro]

I'm still trying to find a new guild after mine died

[brisk rain]

385 prism with socket or 410 gore block?

[lusty grotto]

Yes we are prot warriors @daring kayak , it almost as if the title of the channel says so

[modern brook]

410 gore probably

[wary gyro]

410 for sure

[modern brook]

25 is a lot of ilvls

[chilly brook]

Guilds=the true lifeblood of MMOs

[modern brook]

I'm hestitent to say always better

Prism is really good for pure defensives

but ur not a bitch ur a warrior

[chilly brook]

You don’t have a guild/good group to play with you’re not gonna play the game for long

[modern brook]

just go for damage

[brisk rain]

its only for 10-14 m+

[modern brook]

410 gore

[brisk rain]

im too lazy to do anything higher

ok

[winter aspen]

Why gore ?

[wary gyro]

Which is why i need to find a new one griff

[winter aspen]

Isnt crit bad

[lusty grotto]

No

[modern brook]

why would crit be bad

[lusty grotto]

No secondary is bad

[brisk rain]

my highest ilvl trinket

[lusty grotto]

All secondaries are good

[winter aspen]

Cuz the guide said so

[wary gyro]

All secondaries are good

[modern brook]

which guide are you reading

[lusty grotto]

The guide does not say crit is bad

[winter aspen]

[chilly brook]

Wut

No secondary is bad lmao

[lusty grotto]

You misunderstood what you read

[chilly brook]

Some are better than others

But they’re all good

[winter aspen]

It says its beneath all other stat

[chilly brook]

Beneath yes

Bad no

[modern brook]

those are the only 2 paragraphs u need to read RE: gearing

[chilly brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

☝

[winter aspen]

Thats pretty boring

[chilly brook]

I can tell you’re an American

[brisk rain]

does it also work with rings, cuz i got 2x 400ilvl haste and 425+415 with crit

[winter aspen]

Just get more ilvl 4Head

[chilly brook]

I mean that’s how we work

@brisk rain yes

[lusty grotto]

Bruh

[chilly brook]

Ilvl is still king on rings

[lusty grotto]

25 ilvls

[modern brook]

@brisk rain the only time u should consider lower Ilvl stuff is on jewlery with sockets, value at about 10 ilvls

[brisk rain]

ok ok, thanks 😃

[wary gyro]

I might drop 5 ilvl for a ring that I like the stat lines on better but even then it's not really "better" to do so

[modern brook]

^ thats a feely craft decision that i will not fault you for but is probably wrong

[chilly brook]

Thought provoking question of the day: Do you think the guide and having a #268491842637660160 channel answers more questions and solves more issues than if we didn’t have it?

[modern brook]

yes

[opal peak]

yes

[sand egret]

we wouldnt' know

[modern brook]

I dont want to fucking answer "how do i press avatar" 9 times a day

We have important things to discuss like MCC and what i should get for lunch

[sand egret]

as we dont know how many people had a question, read the guides, and didn't come here

[signal plover]

Subway

[opal peak]

was first place i went to when i made my warrior

[modern brook]

@signal plover i will get u fucking banned

😠

subway this guy

[chilly brook]

The problem with the guide is it requires reading comprehension something some people struggle with

[sand egret]

so does here

[chilly brook]

Not like it really matters

Just shooting the breeze

[jaunty cobalt]

I just swapped from Paladin to warrior first thing I did was read the guide, had a few questions after but just re read the guide and previous conversations in the channel but I still don’t know how to “press avatar”.... I only know how to bubble 😂

[modern brook]

@jaunty cobalt on cd

i got u bby

[lusty grotto]

Rofl

[chilly brook]

Can’t help you there 😜

[jaunty cobalt]

Lol

[wary gyro]

@jaunty cobalt just pretend its wings

[modern brook]

If avatar is off CD and u are currently not big and bronze

u are fucking up

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[chilly brook]

I have a feeling that blunt trauma to the head could help you forget paladinisms though 😉

[sand egret]

we;re basically tank shadow priests

[modern brook]

What

[sand egret]

we have in-avatar and our of avatar

[modern brook]

Hang on

Blade

😠

[chilly brook]

Probably not healthy

[modern brook]

Ur not wrong