protection

[primal crypt]

You mean massive Asian hands @narrow abyss

[olive merlin]

Update drivers?

[knotty wagon]

I shoudlve bought a 1080ti inwent for just 1080

[primal crypt]

My family literally descended from the mongols

[lusty grotto]

are you guys running dx11?

[knotty wagon]

Not sure why

[lusty grotto]

also are you on windows7 for some god-forsaken reason?

[narrow abyss]

Hahaha

[primal crypt]

I have a huge head

[sick sentinel]

Win 10

[narrow abyss]

Oh dude me too

Giant korean head

[lusty grotto]

try dx11 kaege

[primal crypt]

Almost a size 8

[lusty grotto]

should be on advanced options

[narrow abyss]

I was too afraid to measure

[lusty grotto]

the game actually runs better with dx11 now

[primal crypt]

7 3/4 i think

[knotty wagon]

Im canadian huge insecurity

[sick sentinel]

Will try today

[primal crypt]

And that's shaved

I have zero hair

[lusty grotto]

wait

what vid card do you have kaege

[primal crypt]

All the korean people think Im part of the mafia

[sick sentinel]

7800 hd series

[tropic star]

are secondaries worth more that stength still

[narrow abyss]

Hoogin

[sick sentinel]

@tropic star ilvl over everything, haste over str

[lusty grotto]

ok, well im unsure of the amd thing, but try it

[tropic star]

yeah realize ilvl over all in the paste we nenver socketed a kraken eye was jsut curious if that was still the case

looks like it is

[sick sentinel]

Only yellow gems

Maximum hate

Haste*

[woven trellis]

for rings, do u favor 5ilvl less if there is a socket?

[primal crypt]

LMFAO HOOGIN @narrow abyss

[tropic star]

for rings its like 15 ilvls

[lusty grotto]

sure 5 ilvls is good for a socket

hell no it's not mcjiggles

[tropic star]

as long as you dotn care about stam

[woven trellis]

lol were tanks

[sick sentinel]

Drop 5 ilvls only for sockets

On rings

[tropic star]

i have 2 400 socketed rings

[sick sentinel]

Maybe cloaks

[lusty grotto]

that's a shitton of stats you're losing

[tropic star]

they have more stats than 415 rings

[narrow abyss]

Hahahaha shhhh @primal crypt 😉

[sick sentinel]

Stamina is valuable

[lusty grotto]

^

[tropic star]

stamina is valuable to a point

[primal crypt]

Glick was saying leech on rings is a must

🤔

[lusty grotto]

what do you expect

glick is a reroll

:p

[primal crypt]

But he's running 700 leech

And siphoning

[narrow abyss]

Holy moly

[primal crypt]

Pulling 40k hps

[sick sentinel]

I never forge leach lol

[narrow abyss]

Nerfclap is super defensive too

[primal crypt]

He was stomping on edelweiss in healing

[sand egret]

see: what' blade's been saying since the start. Leech will scale when the ration of hp: dps tilts over the expansion

[oblique garnet]

i disagree

leech is not worth that much tbh

[sand egret]

uh

[oblique garnet]

only reason its working for glickz

is because he has absurd amount of luck with leech gear

[sand egret]

that's not why it works

[sick sentinel]

^^

[sand egret]

that's how he's able to do it.

[lusty grotto]

of course it is

but its not practical

[oblique garnet]

yeah but ive seen people drop ilvl because "muh leech"

[sand egret]

why it works is a product of the stat

why he can use it is a product of his luck

[lusty grotto]

we know

[oblique garnet]

ilvl will trump leech anyways

[lusty grotto]

blade likes baiting the horde of people gearing themselves after glick and still doing 10s

:p

[sand egret]

in most scenarios. I agree, but the case with high-end reaping is basically the outlier that proves my point

[lusty grotto]

it's also completely useless in necrotic

[sand egret]

that being said, I agree that ilvl wins

[oblique garnet]

40k hps in reaping is easily achieveable without leech

[primal crypt]

I agree, if youre able to run the leech, it has great effect

Especially at levels of 700

Like...how

Static 700 leech

[lusty grotto]

guy does keys every day

i mean it's possible

[sand egret]

yeah and as dps scales out leech, that "leech" that pops up on your gear will be that much nicer

[oblique garnet]

he also has the leech inner trait

[primal crypt]

The blood siphon right?

He's running three of them

[sand egret]

yeah the mast/leech one I believe it is

or maybe it's haste?

[oblique garnet]

its mastery/leech

[old zephyr]

Mast leach

Haste is with avoid

[sand egret]

ahh gotcha (also a relative tertiary 😃 )

[primal crypt]

That's another one people are blowing up

Drop ilvl for avoidance

[old zephyr]

Avoid is much weaker than during légion though

[primal crypt]

It's being hammered into people for situations that dont mean anything to them

[sand egret]

that's relative to the fact that there was more avoidable shit in legion

[old zephyr]

No tankbuster are AoE nowadays

[exotic spoke]

I never thought I’d say this during legion... but I miss our artifact ability

[primal crypt]

The reaping slam

[sand egret]

so like I said, it's a relative tertiary. Suddenly if 8.2's raid has a bajillion AoE-labeled tank busters...

[primal crypt]

Is a tankbuster lul

Cant face tank two of them

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[primal crypt]

It will kill you lolololol

[sand egret]

oh. I know.

[primal crypt]

Especially if you get stuck on that unfortunate little rock

[old zephyr]

But it can be completely dodged though

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[primal crypt]

That just happened to never be there

[sand egret]

Nothing like spotting a circle then immediately going...."shit how long was that there for"

or

[tropic star]

what is the HP- stamina conversion like these days

[sand egret]

"WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT BANANA COME FROM"

[primal crypt]

But a slam happens and that little rock turns into a boulder

[lusty grotto]

smashes in stairs

Fucking bananas

[narrow abyss]

Fuck

The

Bananas

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god

fucking bananas

[sand egret]

everytime i'm in a slam

[exotic spoke]

But what if they are in a 360 arc around the mobs due to multiple of them

How am I supposed to clap on the mobs without face tanking then?

[sand egret]

it's a Looney Toons gag

[primal crypt]

Theyre better now

The bananana

They have yellow circles under them

:)

[sand egret]

the banana mobs were made by the same designer as Trevor. Change my mind.

[exotic spoke]

That shit is bananas.. b a n a n a s

[lusty grotto]

clap radius is large with crackling

[naive panther]

Man I love the st dps of devastator for tyrannical. But it’s rough getting used to the lack of on demand rage

[lusty grotto]

no need to be under them

uhh

why would you

[exotic spoke]

But what if my dps is mongo and taunts off me for some reason

Sorry - was being sarcastic lol

[lusty grotto]

for tyrannical... but still

why

[sand egret]

then you just say: today is not your day

[lusty grotto]

run deva on m+ why

[naive panther]

They made shadow smash harder to see if all things

[oblique garnet]

Trevor

Not like this

[lusty grotto]

yikes man

im pretty sure we have repeated the fact that deva/RF is only for cheese parses, or i hope

which should only be on raid situations

[oblique garnet]

Shadow smashes are easier to see now

Since its at the muedle of the mob

[tropic star]

is stamina 10hp per point?

[oblique garnet]

Middle

@sand egret did you know that trevor is also listed as a mob in mdt

[lusty grotto]

stamina is 20hp per point @tropic star

[tropic star]

Thanks!

[exotic spoke]

What dps did you guys pull on first mythic opulence kill?

[primal crypt]

Really low :(

I suck at dpsing lmao

[exotic spoke]

And is there a way to compare based solely on first kills?

[primal crypt]

Too conservative of a mind set

[exotic spoke]

I sense sarcasm

[tropic star]

think i did jsut over 33k

[astral crystal]

my highest opulence was like 24k and that's only 66 percentile, i dont really trinket/gear for dps though so

[oblique garnet]

Yamo you gotta get into the mindset that just blast the boss your rage gen is good

[primal crypt]

I cant

Im scared Im going to doe

Die*

[tropic star]

its like money

gotta sepnd rage to get rage

[narrow abyss]

We’re on mythic opu prog and I want to kill myself

[ionic fern]

Why are you worried about first kill dps?

[primal crypt]

In raid settings I have to trust on so many people lol

[narrow abyss]

Just tanking the golems all night and watching the dps run around on fire

[tropic star]

i feel you puzzle

[astral crystal]

lol

[primal crypt]

My healers legitimately space out

[tropic star]

golemn hallways are snooze

[exotic spoke]

Took us like 62 pulls. But yeah puzzle that’s how I was

It’s easy for tanks. But Jesus Christ I wanted to murder every fucking dps

[tropic star]

and tanking opulence is pretty snooze as well

[primal crypt]

On rhasta I have to play perfect

[astral crystal]

dps goes super mongo on opulence, that's just a rite of raid passage

[primal crypt]

Otherwise im a dead boi

[ionic fern]

Are you swapping bwomsandi?

[primal crypt]

Ye

That's the scariest part

[narrow abyss]

“Remember flames of punishment is huge in last room be careful...WHAT DID I JUST SAY”

[ionic fern]

Oof. I got a paladin cotank so he just solos it.

[primal crypt]

I sit so low holding bwom

It's so scary

[exotic spoke]

Puzzle one thing we noticed is that the hit box is fucked for all flames

[tropic star]

paladin can solotank bwon?

[ionic fern]

Yes

[primal crypt]

Yeah they can

[astral crystal]

ye, immunities

[tropic star]

does spellwarding reset the stacks or something?

[primal crypt]

Drop stacks etc etc

[narrow abyss]

Oh?

@exotic spoke

[ionic fern]

It prevents stacking them

[exotic spoke]

Yeah it’s skewed to the right slightly. Like, stand at his left hip and keep running in circles. We weren’t hit by it when we did this at any point during progression

[primal crypt]

Even on opulence @oblique garnet , i dont trust my healers to keep me up when my gems breaks

[oblique garnet]

You can also avoid the crash on opulence by jumping at perfect time unless they patched itnout

[primal crypt]

So i sit there and hold my resources

[tropic star]

@primal crypt do you trust your cotank to taunt?

[oblique garnet]

Smh yamo

[primal crypt]

Oh yeah

Thats not a prob

[oblique garnet]

Prot A.B.C

Always Be Clapping

[primal crypt]

I dps hard when he taunts

But still like 70 percentile

[tropic star]

while my gem is up i take like no damage

[primal crypt]

Same

My gem stays up for so long too

[tropic star]

yeah

[ionic fern]

Opulence doesn't count for log points luckily tho..my guild always kills it right before 3rd adds spawn.:(

[tropic star]

so as long as you have block up when it breaks you wont get one shot or anything

and are you holding avatar for add spawn?

[primal crypt]

@tropic star i try and time it

But sometimes it's off

Because I mongod

[ionic fern]

It kinda lines up like that.

[oblique garnet]

^

[tropic star]

if you go into opu room with avatar you have to hold it

until first add spawn

[ionic fern]

Unless one side is far ahead on golems and it takes longer then it messes up avatar timings

[primal crypt]

Yeah, that's a long time

[tropic star]

and then you habve it for every add spawn

but if you pop it as soon as you go in you wont have it

[primal crypt]

If you pop it right away

You can have by second set

Def not the first

[tropic star]

but if you hold it you have it for every set

[ionic fern]

Nope..first adds are like 25 or something seconds from when boss gets active

[tropic star]

i am avataring every add phase, and last standing

so its just clap-rev-clap- rev all day

they ded before LS ends

[primal crypt]

Does revenge reach the back adds?

Or do we have to be inside opulence

I never actually checked

[tropic star]

it does when they spawn

[primal crypt]

Yeah I figured as much

[tropic star]

if they start moving you wont hit them all but as long as you get them all at spawn you get that sweet bleeed

[primal crypt]

Just have to pray for that vortex

[tropic star]

id say try holding avataf

you arent going to die in the first 25 secs

not enough time for healers to lose focus

people jsut starting to get gold etc

[astral crystal]

even with your mit down a coin sweep to the face wont kill you i think

[tropic star]

avatar right as cast ends, then you got your clap, DS,clap right as they spawn

like i wish we could take opal

i would totaly try that boss out without diamond just for shits

[primal crypt]

SB alone mitigates coin sweep

[tropic star]

you can have AM up for the 30 secs it takes offtank to regen their bubble

[primal crypt]

In other news, mekka hits really hard in mythic

[tropic star]

shocking

[primal crypt]

Dude is a monster

[tropic star]

guessing final phase is scarry

with hat haste buff

[primal crypt]

Final pull we had a 5% wipe

Feelsbadman

[exotic spoke]

Oof

[oblique garnet]

Unlucky

[signal plover]

Mekka melees are juicy sub 40 when that buff gets rolling

[astral crystal]

i had to hold mekka most of the time since my co-tank played dk for it

gets spicy at the end

[primal crypt]

My cotank is dk too

Just for mekka

[astral crystal]

just memes anyway since our first kill he played monk

[daring marlin]

Mwahi yellow

the boi

[astral crystal]

dps had to press their buttons a little more

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt youre growing so much you went from a bench boi to main tank and now to a good m+ tank aswell im proud of you 😘

[lusty grotto]

😍

[primal crypt]

All because of @oblique garnet

[lusty grotto]

So cute

[primal crypt]

Top kek

Good mentoring is good tanking

[oblique garnet]

Nothig like a friendly competition to strive each other to become better

[narrow abyss]

I think you both should stream more

That’s my opinion on that 😂

[oblique garnet]

I have no content so why stream 😪

[primal crypt]

Glicks and nerf do it for us

At a really high competitive level

xD

[ocean acorn]

^

[oblique garnet]

I think nerf is a good tank

But hes not that comfortable on the warrior yet

[nova gale]

Time for shrine 22

yikes

[honest frigate]

I’m jealous

I’d love that key this week

[oblique garnet]

He has quite many unfortunate gaps in his block uptime which cause him to take alot of damage

And he isnt using as much rage as he could to get cds backup faster

Glickz is really good at that

[ocean acorn]

glickz is a coold dude

[narrow abyss]

I want his necrotic wa

It’s so clean

[ocean acorn]

but everytime i watch his stream i fall asleep to the classical music

[narrow abyss]

Can’t find it 😑

[potent anvil]

i play classical/instrumental music when i stream 🤔

[oblique garnet]

Whats wrong with classical music

[narrow abyss]

Yeah u do does

Des

Hahaha

[ocean acorn]

nothing is wrong with it but the slower pace makes me tired

cuz its also really late at night for me when i watch him

[oblique garnet]

@potent anvil do your vods get muted or?

[potent anvil]

tune in my steam and fall asleep. at least i get some viewers for the viewer count ez

yeah, they get muted, its unfortunate

[honest frigate]

Stream something so I can learn to be like you des 👏🏼

[ocean acorn]

i think i have been in your stream deswind but i dont talk in chat or anything

[honest frigate]

I’ve only ever watched the YT vids 😭

[potent anvil]

bind thunderclap to all your hotkeys but 1. the last bind is avatar

then you can be like me

[ocean acorn]

i saw you doing a high level siege last time

i watched

[signal plover]

We geared my BRM cotanks BDK from 395 to 409 in a week. He even got the opul trink which neither of our main have at 415 lol

Oh god discord didn't scroll

[oblique garnet]

@potent anvil you know those floorpedals you had from rally games just bind thunderclap to those

[signal plover]

W/e fuck it

[potent anvil]

[ocean acorn]

[oblique garnet]

My friend also made an avatar weakaura that plays the BAM sound everytime you have thunderclap available during avatar to help my other friend get into warrior

[honest frigate]

You know what feels good

[ebon hound]

I just made tclap icon glow during avatar

[honest frigate]

The in game noise when spell reflect reflects a spell

[signal plover]

Whoosh!

[lusty grotto]

It's more like swishhh

[sick sentinel]

I'd actuakly fucking love having a floor pedal

And bind clap to it

[knotty wagon]

:thinking'

I kinda wanna try thst

Lmao

[oblique garnet]

I would get evicted in one night

[lusty grotto]

Wasn't there a floor pedal thing for wow a while back where it was marketed to be used for voip and ptt

[knotty wagon]

A lot of people use then

Floor pedals are typicallt used for profrssional transcription

But work for ptt

[lusty grotto]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003BQKCUI/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

Here you go

I knew I wasn't crazy

[oblique garnet]

Maybe ill start playing WoW with a controller to get actual content for streaming🤔

[lusty grotto]

Rofl

Hey isn't it time to switch my sub?

[oblique garnet]

High m+ with a controller

🤔

[lusty grotto]

From yamo to late

[oblique garnet]

Huh

[lusty grotto]

It's a month so not sure

[oblique garnet]

Idk if i even have sub button lmao

[lusty grotto]

Oh

😣

[sick sentinel]

Nim just you wait

Imma get a new pc

And start streaming as well

[lusty grotto]

You see that? It's world of warcraft branded

I would stream but I fuck up too much and it would be embarassing

Plus I'm not as high as you guys

On keys

Not drugs, I'm Def higher than you all

[oblique garnet]

Ok nim i promise i will start streaming more regularly

[lusty grotto]

That means I gotta resub to yamo

[oblique garnet]

Wdym

[lusty grotto]

At least this month

But he's never streaming so

[oblique garnet]

Same

[sick sentinel]

I really wanna fucking stream tbh

It's eu hours tho

[signal plover]

If you're streaming wow for views ur gonna be disappointed

Still fun to stream tho

[lusty grotto]

I gotta be honest, now I really want that pedal

[sick sentinel]

I wanna stream for vods

[oblique garnet]

Kage our sleeping schedules are both so fucked its gonna be neither eu or na hours

[sick sentinel]

Mine are fixed now tho

Kind of

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah mine too for like a day and then its gonna be ruined again

[lusty grotto]

World of warcraft tap chat lollll

[sick sentinel]

Recordings take too much space

I'd rather have twitch keep them

That's how it works, right? 😅

[oblique garnet]

It doesnt permanently keep them tho

[lusty grotto]

If you don't have sub priviledges

They are deleted

If you don't favorite them

[sick sentinel]

Idc about permanently keeping them

[lusty grotto]

Once you get enough viewers, you can keep vods indefinately

[sick sentinel]

I want to look at them after the night is done

And go though mistakes

Maybe upload to YouTube the good ones

[lusty grotto]

Also remember to never have copyrighted songs on lul

It'll get muted

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto ill stream just for you lmao

[lusty grotto]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003BQKCUI/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

[primal crypt]

Can watch me level a bear

[lusty grotto]

I want this

Ewww no

I can't watch stream at work

So maybe later

But then we can just do druid pack leveling time

[primal crypt]

Lmao

Bullchiporino

[lusty grotto]

Lol

We need 2 more druids though

Bladesong?

[primal crypt]

My wife can come

She been going hard on druid

I think she might swap from rog to resto drood

[lusty grotto]

Is it going to be 1 resto 3 boomies 1 bear?

No ferals allowed?

[sick sentinel]

Get a cat as well

[primal crypt]

Feral is good

[sick sentinel]

For hugs and cuddles mostly

[primal crypt]

They make good pets

[lusty grotto]

I can be feralchip

Please don't point lasers

[primal crypt]

Feralchip

[lusty grotto]

My druids name is nimchippy though

Such a wasted opportunity

[primal crypt]

Mine is yamosaurus

Ztroll drood

[lusty grotto]

I like that

[primal crypt]

Wifey is duckasaurus

[lusty grotto]

Lolll

[primal crypt]

Top tier

Might be pushing tonight??

Who knows

Team is extra burnt out :(

[oblique garnet]

Feral is actually better than boomkin

[primal crypt]

^

Do they have all the same utility though?

Specifically treeamigos

:(

@oblique garnet are you pushing again?

[oblique garnet]

Hard to say

Team is currently stuck on jaina prog

[sick sentinel]

They don't have trees but they have vortex

And an interrupt that also charges

[lusty grotto]

All druid mdi team

Forming right now

👌 👌

[sick sentinel]

How can you go with 5 prot

[oblique garnet]

You cant really

[sick sentinel]

How high*

[oblique garnet]

Well actually

You might be able to time 10s

[sick sentinel]

If four 8.0 prot can tank hc ghuun without healers

[lusty grotto]

we should do 5 prot M+ for sure

[oblique garnet]

But atleast one will die during each reaping

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it's fine

[primal crypt]

5 leech prot warriors

On non necrotic week

Ez

[lusty grotto]

heheheheheh

[oblique garnet]

Cant heal oneshots

[primal crypt]

Just dont get one shot

👌

Better bring some engineers too

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Keep in mind

[lusty grotto]

link vod to reddit, watch us get nerfed

[sick sentinel]

Stacks will be shared

[sand egret]

did someone say Feral is on the table?

[sick sentinel]

Amongst 5 people

And 5 prots doing 100k dps each

[primal crypt]

@sand egret for our 5 druid comp yes

[sand egret]

as Teamchips leading Feral, i approve this message

[lusty grotto]

its not teamchip tho

[primal crypt]

But nim already claimed feral he said lol

[oblique garnet]

Assuming everyone is equally geared and has cds for each reaping

[lusty grotto]

its bullchiporino

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret it's on the table with its belly on top

Waiting for belly rubs

[oblique garnet]

Nono feral is actually good

[lusty grotto]

bullchiporinosong?

[oblique garnet]

No meme

[lusty grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/arthas/nimchippy is ready

[oblique garnet]

Feral is blasting

[sand egret]

Primal Wrath is funn 😃

[primal crypt]

I know nothing about druids

Like

Zero

They're just hunter pets to me

And they grow trees

Out of nowhere

[lusty grotto]

i know druids because nimchippy has always been my #1 alt until bfa

[primal crypt]

The trees are super friendly

[sick sentinel]

Happy tree friends

[lusty grotto]

duckbullchiporinosong?

what a good name, easy to remember

i swear i keep messing up yamo's wife nick

[naive panther]

Ill do 5 prot m+, on the reaps whoever has Agro just peaces out after certain number of stacks.

[lusty grotto]

pop SR and pray

[naive panther]

I did 5 vengeance in legion and it was way fun. But we could heal.

[lusty grotto]

marok did 5 prot in legion

iirc

or was it 5 warrior

[naive panther]

I miss doing 5 dps or 1 tank 4 dps dungeons in legion.

[sick sentinel]

The trick is

Shockwave and sr

[lusty grotto]

we can always do IV

[sick sentinel]

And you reflect like a swing worth of stacks off of every mob

We run IV on ghuun

[naive panther]

Bring a prot paladin for heals

[lusty grotto]

no dress wearers allowed

[sick sentinel]

Doing a 5 tank mplus is easy

[lusty grotto]

oh you mean 1 tank 4 dps

[sand egret]

but isn't 5x Prot just 5x DPS?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sick sentinel]

1 bear 1 bdk 1 prot warr 1 prot pala and 1 vdh

Actually fuck vdh

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[sick sentinel]

Brm

[naive panther]

That would be 5 veng. Prot actually isn’t paper. But then again veng dps is only ok on sustained aoe

Take brew for rop

[sand egret]

playing brew has given me serious anxiety issues.

[naive panther]

Huh why?

[sand egret]

I need to hop back on my Prot every now and then to get over it

you're just literally dying the whole time looking at your healer like 👀

[naive panther]

And what are you playing brew for?

[sand egret]

so if they asleep at the wheel it's stressful

vs prot you can just forget they're there

[oblique garnet]

Get a guardian druid for m+ 5 tank comp so they can stay in stealth and ress when you die

[naive panther]

Hmm yeah. But prot war is dependent on heals as well

[sand egret]

not even close to the same tho

prot has way more control over their damage intake

[sick sentinel]

Doing a run with no healer

Is where AV becomes good

[sand egret]

oooh good point

[sick sentinel]

Hello

What's best race for prot warrior in horde? Or racials doesnt matter that much?

[wary gyro]

Racials don't really matter

[pure basin]

Tauren get that stun. Comes in handy sometimes for M+

[stark sage]

pick for utility or for style

[pure basin]

Do tauren still have the passive stam racial?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

but i heard that this stam buff is not worth it

[lusty grotto]

they do but it's still inconsequential

[pure basin]

RIP

[undone sun]

you dont pick tauren for the stam, if you were to at all

[sick sentinel]

if u say so, ill just stick to my useless orc racials

[lusty grotto]

useless?

[undone sun]

the passives are marginal, the idea is to look at the actives

[lusty grotto]

bloodrage is not useless

more attack power gives more good dps

and bigger IPs

its not useless

[sick sentinel]

it gives bigger IP? didnt connect those 2 facts

thanks

[lusty grotto]

use it with every avatar

[sick sentinel]

oh ok, its nice

ill stick with orc, thanks

[primal crypt]

Ztroll

For big chest

[lusty grotto]

🤢

[primal crypt]

Or belf

For good hair

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[stark sage]

racial balance is really good atm

imo

like the worst choice would probably be NB

and its not even that bad

[naive panther]

too bad regeneratin is garbage

[undone sun]

well

it's niche

[valid fog]

its fine better then nothing

[primal crypt]

@naive panther its good after you leap away

And hide

[undone sun]

even letting 1 tic go through is more t han nothing

[lusty grotto]

racial balance within horde races you mean

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

because alliance... oof

its NE or DID or bust :p

[sick sentinel]

what about alliance

[stark sage]

dwarf is close to DID

[lusty grotto]

and dwarf of course

[stark sage]

and LFD and KT are good too

[primal crypt]

Dwarf and did

Both awesome

Kultiran is prob my fave now

But did fire crotch is awesome too

[lusty grotto]

im not sure i would place KT anywhere near NE/DiD/Dwarf

[stark sage]

haymaker is actually gross in m+

[lusty grotto]

and LFD is great dps sure

[primal crypt]

Yeah haymaker

Whew

Whats the CD?

[stark sage]

2 min?

[undone sun]

2.5

[primal crypt]

Jesus

[stark sage]

shadowmeld is OP dont get me wrong

[primal crypt]

Regeneratin is good for us in pvp

[stark sage]

but most people dont know how to use it

[primal crypt]

Borderline op

[undone sun]

it;'s good in general, just have to make it work

😏

[primal crypt]

^

[lusty grotto]

haymaker is ST right?

why did i think it was kind of aoe

[stark sage]

yeah ST

knockback and stun

[signal plover]

Clutch on conc raptors

[stark sage]

our monk tank swapped to KT, ran a TD with him and haymaker was useful like 4 times throughout the dungeon

just for repositioning casters or kiting something

[signal plover]

Wish the CD was like 1.5 min but still

It's a racial so makes sense

[tepid dagger]

My average damage fell like 4k this week in M+ due to stupid necrotic 😦

[oblique garnet]

Teeming inflated last weeks damage

[sand egret]

Very Important Question: Does Haymaker make the bowling pins sound when you use it like it does in HotS?

[exotic spoke]

Blizzard didn’t like my MDI team name when we submitted it

😦

[knotty wagon]

What was it

[exotic spoke]

Ruck Fob

He’s a vegan in my guild

[modern brook]

UR team name should be "mail grays to Bullfango US-Thrall"

[exotic spoke]

And now I can’t even use anything like “Nerf X” or whatever

Can’t use names

[modern brook]

dang

my get rich quick scheme :^(

[exotic spoke]

Can’t portray blizzard games in a negative light

Can’t use profanity

[modern brook]

I feel like you're listing things yu should've assumed

[exotic spoke]

That’s what they specifically said lol

[valid fog]

yikes

[exotic spoke]

And yeah I guess so.

Part of me wants to see what the random name is

[zinc vessel]

how does diamond interact with necrotic? :S is the shield tick recieved reduced stuff something thingy ?

[sick sentinel]

hi ive seen some prot wars using crackling thunder over bounding strike is it personal pref or something or is it more usefull

[modern brook]

that whole row is pref

stride has a lot of use this week cause of necrotic

thunder give u a lot of lee way with the clap

[exotic spoke]

Conversely if you have frost mage, oof Druids among other things it’s not as important

[modern brook]

Lynox, im fairly certain the shield is reduced; idk for sure though

[oblique garnet]

You can clap away the mobs melee range with craxkling

[sick sentinel]

awright ok just wondered thanks

[undone sun]

@zinc vessel necrotic affects everything that is considered healing, including absorbs

[lusty grotto]

riki that reminds me of that listing we saw the other day with some teams

and that one rogue's name

shit i cant remember what it was

im kind of disappointed that gibberish isn't accepted though

what's so bad about gibberish

[exotic spoke]

I think that’s what this fell under as its not technically profanity

[lusty grotto]

perhaps they want announcers to actually be able to pronounce the teams name lol

its kinda hard to saHUADUIHSffahsghagjdgdkjhdio on a live stream

[exotic spoke]

Yeah probably

[lusty grotto]

but ruck fob is easy

[ripe frost]

hey guys im sure you getting this question a lot but im new to warrior, whats the "best" zandalari loa for m+?

[bright night]

whats stat priority for prot?

[lusty grotto]

you should have called your team "Meat is delicious"

@bright night #268491842637660160

[exotic spoke]

Oh that’s a good idea

Benji check the pins but in general Ilvl

[umbral forge]

Does anyone have that interrupt weakaura

[undone sun]

more specifically? Groups CDS? announcer?

[umbral forge]

The one that marks casters automatically

[lusty grotto]

uhh...

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral forge]

;_;

[lusty grotto]

well late had some magic mark WA or some shit

@oblique garnet

not sure if its the same

[undone sun]

oh, i know of a purple like that follows targets

[lusty grotto]

do people not play with nameplates on or something?

[undone sun]

but that's not a public WA

[lusty grotto]

😄

a purple

what do you mean

[undone sun]

purple line

[lusty grotto]

oh

wth haha

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto ?

[undone sun]

which are casters as well

[lusty grotto]

weird

[astral crystal]

on the subject, why the fug are so many m jaina logs still private

[undone sun]

it's not public for a reason

[lusty grotto]

whats the use of that though

just for that jaina phase?

[astral crystal]

is there hardcore exploiting going on?

[undone sun]

i think so @lusty grotto only watched a couple videos with in, showed up in later phases

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet @umbral forge was asking about a WA that marks casters, i thought you had something like that

hmm...

[oblique garnet]

yeah

its weakaura

https://wago.io/b_JzlxXLu

thuis one iirc

[knotty wagon]

Why are m m jaina logs private

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[knotty wagon]

Makes me think secrecy

Its probably theybdotn want to expose their rogues exploiting

Out of taking stacks

[lusty grotto]

if i had to guess

[undone sun]

there is a rogue/hunter thing happening on jaina

so possibly

[lusty grotto]

well outside of exploits

if i had to guess id say its because people are still racing

[knotty wagon]

Horde race is over just ally bow

Its acruslly

[lusty grotto]

the top 100 still isn't complete, i thought

[knotty wagon]

I think its to hide people getting boosted

[undone sun]

for alli it isnt

for horde it is

[lusty grotto]

i thought it was mixed factions

[astral crystal]

im 100% convinced it's exploits

[lusty grotto]

weird

didn't they close it last time and alliance didn't have 100?

[knotty wagon]

Im 90% convinced its carries

[astral crystal]

we just started prog on m jaina and digging through logs has been pretty limited

[knotty wagon]

They shouod just make it top 200 world

[undone sun]

well every guild has their reasons for private logging

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

true

[exotic spoke]

When that close to the top, why provide any insight to the competition

[undone sun]

but there's already many streams of it

🤔

a lot of the time why some guilds stream is to prevent damage whoring

[exotic spoke]

It’s why, on my server back in vanilla, one guild kept killing the green dragons and maintained a monopoly on them even though they didn’t need any more nature resist

Easier to evaluate a log than a stream

[undone sun]

ofc

[astral crystal]

streams only tell you so much

[ivory light]

heard prot is gettin nerfed on PTR, how much des it actually hurt us?

[undone sun]

wat

[ivory light]

may be wrong and guildy just a dumbass tho, dono

he said prot was gettin big nerf to damage we do

[stark sage]

not that i know if

of

[ivory light]

but couldnt find anything from google

alrighty, no clue where he heard it then lol

[oblique garnet]

probably salty tank main

[ivory light]

considerin hes a DK probs

[jovial haven]

they are gonna want to nerf incursion medals xp pots before anything else right now

[wary gyro]

They already fixed the pots

[oblique garnet]

pretty sure they havent

[astral crystal]

kek

[undone sun]

they have

[oblique garnet]

worked 2 hours

ago

[wary gyro]

One of my friends was just trying it now

[daring marlin]

Someone said they hotfixed yesterday yet I was doing it last night

[exotic spoke]

Where does one get these pots

[jovial haven]

i mean i seen it in action on lunch 2hrs ago, mayne they fixed it since then

the honorbound medal vendor by where you turn in herbalism contributions

5 medals per pot

[exotic spoke]

Ah ok thanks

[jovial haven]

someone said methodjosh did it on stream yesterday, used 100 pots and went 110-120 in 45 min

watched luxthos on lunch use 40 of them and he was blowing through levels

[lusty grotto]

what was broken from the exp pots? i missed this

i heard about some FH shit going on

[jovial haven]

they stacked

[lusty grotto]

oof

[jovial haven]

40 pots meant 320% xp bonus

[lusty grotto]

jesus haha

[jovial haven]

er no math is wrong, his display showed 32 pots used, he said 40

[ornate magnet]

anyone race changed to zandalari? if so, what loa did you pick?

[jovial haven]

but yea imagine 10% per pot, and multiply it by 100 pots... then get carried through FH

yes many have and most go either bwon or paku @ornate magnet

[ornate magnet]

nice, was thinking of race chaning myself. probably go for bwon

[modern brook]

Gonk Gang is where its at man

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[narrow abyss]

I’m assuming that’s where all the mini patches came from

😂

[exotic spoke]

That and or the alchemy item

[ocean acorn]

They fix the exp thing?

[exotic spoke]

Unconfirmed

[undone sun]

i've heard they have, others say they did it recently

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary gyro]

I would test and post an ss but I'm at work

[oblique garnet]

ok they fixed the xp pot

[undone sun]

its hotfixed but it wont affect you unless you log out or they expire

[keen galleon]

Why does undead sim so high damage wise for us? It's apparently nearly a 1.5% gain over blood elf

[lusty grotto]

sims are still not done

@ionic fern

do you have a specific run that you could link?

if you're looking at bloodmallet or whatever, no thanks

doesn't help

[keen galleon]

Nah I'm looking at the new racial calculator that got posted today

[lusty grotto]

just wait until APL is done

[keen galleon]

Sure. "Dont use ANY resources until we have perfect ones"

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[undone sun]

the what

[keen galleon]

https://www.herodamage.com/warrior/races/1t-t23-protection

[undone sun]

and that's by not means what was said, obviously you should take everything with a grain of salt because sims are a community effort

[lusty grotto]

hero dmg still relies on sims so

[keen galleon]

Yeah, that's why I am asking "what could be causing undead to substantially outperform blood elf". The likely answer is that the undead damage racial effect apparently scales with mastery and versatility.

[undone sun]

hero damage is their own entity ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

it could be a sim bug, but without the actual sim run we have no way of knowing if the APL is screwing with that

[keen galleon]

So in summary "I dont know why, but I want to talk"

Okay man.

[lusty grotto]

this fuckin guy

every time

i tagged Mwahi cause he is working on the APL

we need the actual sim run to know if there's anything wrong with it

hero damage does not provide specific runs

these are results from SIMCRAFT

do you understand

or do you come here to be all passive aggressive and shit?

every single time?

do you see math anywhere in that listing?

the likely answer is nothing

[keen galleon]

I came here to ask a question, your response was "gee I dunno". Why respond?

Further, why respond with "it probably isn't", when we have a nonzero amount of evidence that it is.

[lusty grotto]

ok here we go, this is your answer: "no, we don't but it's likely that the APL is still buggy"

there is no likely answer like what you just said

[keen galleon]

I mean, herodamage says it has an answer. Assuming herodamage is right, there's a REASON that 1% vers is worse than that proc is.

[lusty grotto]

herodamage RUNS SIMS

[keen galleon]

I.e. "the proc happens every 4 seconds"

[lusty grotto]

are you blind, i just literally pasted a snippet where it says which version

do you know what APL simcraft is running?

@ionic fern 's

[keen galleon]

Maybe if you ping him a 4th time it'll help.

I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what your point is

[keen galleon]

My point is that sims are the only reliable data source we have to make determinations about stuff. If you're going to write off our mostly working sim every time it spits out a potentially plausible result, just don't reply

[lusty grotto]

it could be a bug

[keen galleon]

I'm asking a question to figure out whether "the sim is fucked" is the likely answer

[lusty grotto]

and bug reporting is useful

[stark sage]

sims are not the only reliable source, logs and in game interactions is the most reliable

combat logs

[lusty grotto]

(which is why i tagged him)

[keen galleon]

Sure. I might just be really bad at wcl but 20 minutes into fucking around on my phone I haven't found a way to aggregate by race

[undone sun]

"sims are fucked" was stated from the start, you just cant read

[umbral forge]

Did a +12 on time.
pushing is a lot more fun than doing weekly. Thanks guys

[lusty grotto]

gz jettom

[umbral forge]

now we have 4 shrines though ;_;

[stark sage]

yeah sims are a source, but they are explicitly not reliable atm

[sand egret]

grats and sorry for the shrines!

[keen galleon]

This community loves to jerk it to sims are fucked, but sims have been substantially better this tier and generally output useful information at this point

[lusty grotto]

according to you apparently sims correct themselves

[keen galleon]

No?

[lusty grotto]

ok therefore its useful telling mwahi that there might be something wrong

so you know, it could be looked at

and perhaps corrected

[keen galleon]

Man if you ping that guy 4 times every time you find a simcraft bug

I'm amazed he hasn't quit yet

[lusty grotto]

i give up

[final mist]

Let's not be toxic now, shall we?

Whatever anyone thinks, sims still aren't 100% and there's a possibility that something is going wrong.

[steel mauve]

Sims are better, but they are still working on them, and there could still be bugs or issues that still need to be worked out, thats ehy they were activated, to be worked on, ran and then reported to be fixed or looked at, the reason why its usually said "sims are fucked" is because 9 times out of 10 they usually are and need to be specifically looked at

[final mist]

Hence the "sims still aren't reliable" response.

[keen galleon]

Yes. I agree. What I was trying to ask is "is there any plausible reason that the undead racial could be a 200+ dps gain over the blood elf racial package, or is the sim just obviously haywire"

I am sorry for not tacking on a long disclaimer about sims potentially being shit.

[lusty grotto]

please don't backpedal, that's not what you asked

but lets leave it at that

[steel mauve]

When you ask a question and then get upset or ignore the exact fact that the answer could very well be that there could be a bug i doubt that disclaimer is as accurate as you would make it out to be

[keen galleon]

Man i dunno how to be more clear than explicitly restating my question a third time, a third way, trying to hit the magic phrasing that makes you stop being self righteous to respond. :(

[final mist]

Enough. This conversation clearly ain't going anywhere.

Move on, it's probably fucked and it'll get looked at.

[ionic fern]

Sorry - here i am

[neon tangle]

@final mist FWIW

[ionic fern]

AM doing keys, what's up?

[neon tangle]

Oh he came back

[oblique garnet]

sadbox

[neon tangle]

It’s me

[oblique garnet]

is that

lightmode discord?

[warm plinth]

Light theme discord 🤢

[neon tangle]

Every time

[ionic fern]

It's fine regarding APL - trinkets are still being implemented (read Grong's,Vial,R.A.G.E)

[warm plinth]

and don't even care

[undone sun]

im sorry, im blind now

[stark sage]

@ionic fern the original question was regarding racials

[undone sun]

thanks @neon tangle

[neon tangle]

@undone sun light mode everything

[ionic fern]

Lemme scroll up real fast, gonna do FH 20 in a sec so probably going to be slow with responding.

[stark sage]

tldr undead sims higher than belf, is that an accurate representation in game

[oblique garnet]

@ionic fern stream up when?!

[steel mauve]

Lightmode is so gross 😬

[lusty grotto]

touch of the grave probs

well not probs

[warm plinth]

Does Discord default to light mode btw? I don't know if I even remember it ever being light

[lusty grotto]

its the only thing that could push them up

[stark sage]

it does @warm plinth

atleast it did when i downloaded it

[neon tangle]

It’s probably worth noting that belf sims way higher on cleave

Where the crit would scale better

[warm plinth]

Way higher than undead? Or way higher than their ST sim?

[neon tangle]

Belf is 2nd highest on hectic, 2nd lowest on ST

Which would make sense considering that the undead thing is fairly decent damage (for a racial) and warrior ST isn’t super over the top like their AoE is

Undead sims highest for other tanks too on ST

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing undead is probably rppm right? So would it stay the same # of procs no matter how many targets?

[ionic fern]

What's the uptime on the undead racial? Touch of the grave

[neon tangle]

No clue

[stark sage]

its just a proc

[neon tangle]

1.5% of your total vs 1% crit change

[stark sage]

fury i know, couldnt find a prot source

[spice musk]

Bwonsamdis Trade is not that good or?

[warm plinth]

Only found one log (probably searching wrong) with Touch and it procced 12 times in a 4:08 kill, so about 3ppm

Which matches with a comment I found on wowhead, albeit one from patch 5.2

[stark sage]

likely scales with haste

from a fury log it had 17 procs in 4:29

[warm plinth]

Yeah, found another one that has 22 procs in 5:45 which is a little less than 4 procs per minute

So it definitely seems that way

[astral crystal]

sadbox pls

night mode your discord

[neon tangle]

Every time I post a screenshot

[astral crystal]

lol

[warm plinth]

But we ❤ you

[neon tangle]

I love light mode, dark mode stuff makes me depressed

[undone sun]

better t han being blind

[warm plinth]

Honestly I just use dark mode because it's easier on the eyes at night, and I'm a night shift worker so

[lusty grotto]

lightmode and not compact 😦

[neon tangle]

Gotta have room for activities

[open field]

Quick question guys. RNG best trait for tank from the googles right?

[oblique garnet]

yes

[open field]

ty

Ok and in the 4th ring? ASC or PAoT ?

[neon tangle]

Absorb o tron basically everywhere but conclave

[open field]

Good that I only tank M+

[neon tangle]

If you have extra breaths I’d craft a second one

[open field]

I alrdy have 2 one for fury

I can craft a 3 one

acutally

anyways ty guys

[potent anvil]

I prefer absorb over the cauterize as a tank for m+. But I think both are fine.

[fierce juniper]

I added many dungeon trash spells to my Spell Reflection Tracker.

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

All the ones I could think of/find have been added, but it's very possible a few could be missing.
If anyone sees any spells that I've added that are in fact not reflectable, or you know of something that's reflectable that's not in the list, please let me know so I can update it.
You can view the list of currently tracked spells by going to Actions -> On Init in game, or by viewing the editor on wago.

[oblique garnet]

Thank you based Marok

[exotic spoke]

Thanks Marok!

[sand egret]

woo!

[lusty grotto]

marok 👢 🍵 👏

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏

[lusty grotto]

i was dumb and actually wrote :soup:

😠

[ionic fern]

Also @lusty grotto raidbots should be using the correct APL. (both nightly&daily).

[lusty grotto]

kk

[ionic fern]

But regarding the UD racial..seems correct in sims from a first glance..not sure if we're still on the topic. 😂

[lusty grotto]

ok

interesting

since i don't know a whole lot about APLs there's nothing there that affects racial proc ppms or anything like that?

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto see my comments earlier, but belf does aim far better on multi target

I expect that the undead racial is correct since it’s not a warrior specific thing

[lusty grotto]

i'd assume racials are pretty general so they don't take into consideration APL changes?

yeah gotcha

[neon tangle]

The only thing in the APL is when on-use racials are clicked

[lusty grotto]

only on-use racials, got it

[warm plinth]

I imagine the reason belf isn't on top for this spec in particular is that we don't really get much offensive gain from AT

Since our highest damaging abilities are generators, not spenders

At least, I imagine that's at least part of the benefit for other specs

[neon tangle]

The 1% crit just scales better than the undead racial in AoE

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[neon tangle]

I think it’s more whether the undead racial which is “fixed” ish in its damage ends up doing more than 1% ish more of the rest of your damage

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt did you get TR access yet?

[neon tangle]

Also honestly if anyone wants to poke at the APL it’s really simple

[lusty grotto]

i should honestly take a look and help out

[neon tangle]

In the simc repo check under profiles/Tier23 and grab Warrior

[lusty grotto]

yeah ill see if i have some time to at least go through it

[neon tangle]

And you can plug it in to raidbots as a custom APL

[lusty grotto]

right im familiar with that from the old days of simcraft

[neon tangle]

Good shit

[lusty grotto]

just not with actual editing of the APL

i just copy pasted 😛

[neon tangle]

Lemme know if you have any questions

I fixed up on-use trinkets for prot a little

And fixed grongs for BDK

Grongs was hilariously broken for BDK, it would use it along with DRW every single time

It now sims as the by-far BiS for me

[potent anvil]

grong works on prot apl?

[lusty grotto]

i believe they were testing it

[neon tangle]

I tested it, but I couldn’t find a great way to use it

Best I got was just to use it before avatar

[potent anvil]

does it take 5 stacks of ittf stacks or?

[neon tangle]

Not sure

[oblique garnet]

before avatar not after? hmm

[potent anvil]

i think practically, its best used when avatar is on CD

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet after avatar simmed quite a bit worse

[smoky apex]

hey guys compared to blood dk how hard to play is prot warri ? ^^

[lusty grotto]

its your time to shine sadbox

😃

[neon tangle]

Before the first avatar unsyncs it since avatar is normally a 50s or so CD

Which means no more delays after the first grongs

[lusty grotto]

wait sadbox, have you actually played prot lately? :p

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto yeah a bit

[oblique garnet]

sadbox not playing dk?

[vocal skiff]

The grave bolt change made motherlode so much better

[oblique garnet]

Whats happening?

[lusty grotto]

yeah melarius

[oblique garnet]

Grave bolt change made every dungeons so much better

[lusty grotto]

fucking mongo casters sitting on the cliff, no longer happens

[neon tangle]

@smoky apex prot is a simpler spec, but mistakes are far more punishing

BDK has a more complex resource system, and arguably a higher skill cap, but the benefits from playing perfectly aren’t as night and day as prot

@oblique garnet still play BDK because I like the playstyle

Prot needs more love on the theory front though so I spend more time there 😛

[oblique garnet]

and lets be honest

people from skyhold>people from acherus

[neon tangle]

People are certainly more friendly here