protection

[oblique garnet]

treants

[brisk ferry]

treants

yeh haha

[ionic fern]

Boomkin is there for all the utility they provide & if the pull spreads out they are pretty decent as well with their AoE.

[sick sentinel]

Tree amigos

[knotty wagon]

I was kidding

lel

[ionic fern]

Wish i had a boomy willing to do keys. 😦

[sick sentinel]

And resto druid for vortex

[brisk ferry]

I have one with no weapon, no trinkets and old azerite, ready to go! lol

[oblique garnet]

my friend plays both rogue and boomkin

so if he goes boomkin we lose the rogue

which is not optimal

[sick sentinel]

I tank for 2 boomkins, 3 rogues and 4 dhs

[modern brook]

Are we discussing how absolutely free this week is?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

And how little time I have

[modern brook]

OOF

Im sorry to hear that kaege

[sick sentinel]

Parents decided to visit for 3 days

[modern brook]

those bitches >:^(

[sick sentinel]

Ay

[lusty grotto]

yo bull

[sick sentinel]

They're still my parents 😡

[lusty grotto]

we had to run hunter keys on Wednesday cause he wont be on during weekend

got butcher block 405 👢 🍵 👏

still have the AD, DH's and my bro's

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel :^(

[dusk talon]

https://youtu.be/6Y7HZrHwDuc
Hey guys, have a look at my video please. You can see buggy animations in fhe first half of the video for autoattacks and bloodthirst, as well as devastate. When equipping the Legion prot artifact, the animations turn normal again. I get the buggy animations after every death, so it's quite annoying. Anyone ecperienced something like this?

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto thanks for not inviting me we rammed into Mekka + Wall for 3 hours

[lusty grotto]

i forget what DH got

[heavy cypress]

Hello, best race for warrior prot plz ? In PVE ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah saw you were raiding

so i was like ok

this is #protection @dusk talon

try #fury maybe?

[modern brook]

nim its & Prot

@heavy cypress it doesnt really matter

[lusty grotto]

well he said bloodthirst

[primal crypt]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

(as well as devastate)

not sure what hybrid spec is that lol

[modern brook]

for Horde BElf and Troll are p ok; for Alliance DID , NE, are pref iirc

[sick sentinel]

"Fury and protection"

[primal crypt]

Ztroll

Looks so good

Ugh

[lusty grotto]

yuck

[sick sentinel]

And he posted that in both channels

[primal crypt]

My pants are so tight right now

[heavy cypress]

zandalari troll or juts troll ?

[modern brook]

not playing an orc warrior on Horde

[lusty grotto]

🤢

[primal crypt]

Hes just trying to get views

By advert

[modern brook]

Both trolls

[lusty grotto]

🤢 zt

[modern brook]

I havent tried Ztrolls so i dont have a comment

[sick sentinel]

@heavy cypress the best one for mplus is belf

[primal crypt]

Ztrolls are nice

[modern brook]

Berserking is a sick racial w/ how Avatar centric we are rn

[lusty grotto]

NEIN

[sick sentinel]

Because of the purge

[modern brook]

Again

[lusty grotto]

make horde great again

[modern brook]

It really doesnt matter

[sick sentinel]

Other than that

[modern brook]

Play what looks cool to you

[primal crypt]

Yeah, wont be swapping from belf

Belf too goot

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't really matter

[lusty grotto]

one sec where is that betrayer gif

[modern brook]

I will highly recommend Green Orcs because we are the best

[primal crypt]

Yuck

Clipping orcs

[lusty grotto]

excuse me

[primal crypt]

Bad shield :(

[lusty grotto]

excuse me yamo, no yucks

[modern brook]

Yamo =yucko

[primal crypt]

Yucko

[modern brook]

Side bar: I 'm still collecting a list of skips i want covered; should i send them in any particular order

I was gunna organize it by dungeon

[primal crypt]

Nope, send them as you see fit

And we'll crank them out

[modern brook]

❤

[lusty grotto]

oh right

we have AD and KR

[primal crypt]

Starting tonight actually

[lusty grotto]

just remembered

[modern brook]

I still have 14 ML nim

[signal plover]

I think the wizard of Oz skip is my favorite all time.

[modern brook]

But i def promised my RL she can get in on that

so

[lusty grotto]

we did ML on tuesday

[primal crypt]

Btw, KR beginning pull is amazing now

[lusty grotto]

then got WM

[primal crypt]

Pull all 4 of those big boys

Spicy

[modern brook]

Not a WM week tbh

[lusty grotto]

WM wasn't hard

but

i fucked up on 2 pulls

[modern brook]

sounds like you

[lusty grotto]

also, group fucked up on witches

[modern brook]

Triad or trash?

[lusty grotto]

also, lord waycrest hits like a truck

[primal crypt]

Yes he does

[lusty grotto]

the boss

[modern brook]

Tyr WM is underrated man; that dungeon hurts

[primal crypt]

Lord waycrest is scary

[lusty grotto]

lord waycrest absolutely tore me a new one, and that's the wipe that scuffed the key

he was low as fuck too

[primal crypt]

Rest in rip

[modern brook]

I still have 0 score in WM

[sick sentinel]

I pressed sr a millisec too late

[primal crypt]

Yikes lol

[modern brook]

I have not been pushing on my warrior tbh

[primal crypt]

I have to super focus when lady waycrest vomes

[sick sentinel]

170k in my face with 24 necro stacks

[modern brook]

My group is not condusive to timing keys if im not playing rogue

[lusty grotto]

i wish i could help, but my hpal is too low ilvl

kinda hard to get off the 385 camp

[sick sentinel]

We now burst lord waycrest when the lady comes

2 reasons

[modern brook]

I did a free hold 13 yesterday and my healer was like "you need to start kiting"

[lusty grotto]

gotta run obligatory BoDs

[modern brook]

and im like "its only 34 stacks"

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck bull rofl

[sick sentinel]

There is a bug since launch that killing lord sometimes makes lady die insta

[lusty grotto]

i take off at 20ish

[modern brook]

you literally dont take damage in free hold

[sick sentinel]

I take off at 30

[modern brook]

@primal crypt can you do the pack at the bottom of the stairs in FH to spawn the boss, and still be able to out range Azerite shot during the fight without pulling the other pack into the fight?

[lusty grotto]

yes you can

[ionic fern]

You usually tank the boss on the other side of the circle - outside of it pretty much anyways

[modern brook]

I need to be able to explain that to other people

[lusty grotto]

i mean the first part, not sure about the other part

[modern brook]

Cause i tried doing it on the 14 FH we ran before that 13

But someone misplaced themselves and reset the boss on charge

[lusty grotto]

we have ranged stand outside the circle

on phase 2

so parrot doesn't fuck with them

[modern brook]

oh so you move out of the circle?

brb

[lusty grotto]

no just ranged

[sick sentinel]

We have tank and 2 melee stand out

[lusty grotto]

phase 1 might be a nono cause of resets

[sick sentinel]

1 range also stands out

And only healer stays inside

Dps and tank can literally stand still the entire phase 2

[lusty grotto]

yes, if a ranged is in for poo shots

otherwise it's dancing around landmines

[ionic fern]

Healer should stay inside.

[lusty grotto]

chipadin cries in that fight

[ionic fern]

I'm running with a resto druid so he's enjoying it. 😄

[lusty grotto]

hiss

[potent anvil]

Theres a new tanking spot where melee can sidestep to LoS azerite shot while still having a person bait bombardment. Ive only seen it recently and havent tested myself. Seems legit.

[ionic fern]

Jeap, heard of it as well - gonna test it in m0 and then do our 19 FH and 20 FH like that hopefuly.

[lusty grotto]

im gonna assume it has something to do with the hut

[primal crypt]

Yeah, but Ive seen it fail already :(

[lusty grotto]

or whatever the fuck is there, i can't remember but im sure theres a structure

[primal crypt]

The bird still poops on you sometimes

On the tank that is

So you have to adjust on the fly

But when it works, the melee can just stack

Stack and burn

[potent anvil]

The way baiting the bombardment works is that the bird poops the nearest target to it. If you watch where hes flying in p2.

[sick sentinel]

You can side step the shot?

[primal crypt]

Los using the boat

[lusty grotto]

ye

[primal crypt]

The broken little boat thing on the side

Nerf has a recent clip of it

@potent anvil so if he flies over the tank, that's when we get pooped on?

[potent anvil]

Usually if the tank is the nearest to the bird

[sick sentinel]

I think I have a vod of it

[primal crypt]

Unfortunate

That space is so irksome

[sick sentinel]

Where we explain it to her

[primal crypt]

It's tiny and you get stuck :(

[sick sentinel]

Healers perspective not mine tho

[potent anvil]

I think its only worth attempting the LoS strat in like a 22+. I dps'd in a 20 FH and azerite shot only dropped me to like 25% give or take.

[primal crypt]

Sounds about right

Only because it one shots

Outside of that, the outside bait strat seems to be the go to

[potent anvil]

You could get away with stam flask at 22 too. But seems risky still.

[primal crypt]

The 20 fh was this week?

[potent anvil]

Yeah

[primal crypt]

Gg then

[sick sentinel]

Idk man it was leaving my rogue at 20k health in a 19

[primal crypt]

Just spec spell reflect as fury and win

[potent anvil]

Fury still has a bit more hp than others though. Could be that

[primal crypt]

Very true, it's a decent number

The fury hp

[sick sentinel]

Fury has like 20k more hps or something

Also warpaint

10% dr

Also it's plate

[primal crypt]

Rog can only feint every other shot too

[narrow abyss]

I think the plate matters a lot

[primal crypt]

Which is scary

If they get them back to back

[potent anvil]

Well sucks to be a rogue

[primal crypt]

[sick sentinel]

With feint he was getting to 100k+

Shot is 10s cd

And feint is 25s

[primal crypt]

Guess ill mention the other hide spot

In the boat

Some people might like it

[sick sentinel]

We have 2 shrine 20s today

I'm kind of pumped and kind of scared

[narrow abyss]

Yamo no secrets between all of us imo

[primal crypt]

Shrine is ezpz

Just dont die

[woven trellis]

whos playing BDK and Prot Warrior here?

[primal crypt]

And you win

[sick sentinel]

Yes 4Head

[primal crypt]

4hed indeed

[narrow abyss]

Define “play” with BDK haha

[primal crypt]

I played bdk in legion

And the start of bfa

[woven trellis]

no but whos playing both of them alternatively

[primal crypt]

A lot of us

What's the question

A lot of us multispec

[woven trellis]

just want to know whats ur favorite both for objective and subjective reasons

[primal crypt]

Well bdk isnt a favorite

[woven trellis]

i main BDK but im rerolling war prot right now,s o far i LOVE the prot gameplay

[primal crypt]

Ah

[modern brook]

@ionic fern any chance u can record the test of that

I'd like to see it

[primal crypt]

Well, they're both really good and they competitive at higher levels for sure

[sick sentinel]

Your bdk will be collecting dust

Except the weekly mplus

[primal crypt]

But bdk is like a wet paper bag right now

[ionic fern]

I'll try to remember it @modern brook

[modern brook]

❤

[narrow abyss]

They play differently. But prot is just better right now

[primal crypt]

@ionic fern is a gold boy wtf

When did this happen lol

Grats :)

[modern brook]

I def prefer the wording "BDK is just worse right now"

because its more accurate as to what happened

[primal crypt]

Yeah, they for sure got boned

They cant face tank anything

[sick sentinel]

I see what you did there

[primal crypt]

And their heal has been tuned on the lower side of things

And without the overthreat, they cant do anything during kite phase

[lusty grotto]

shrine is def hella easy now

[modern brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck

[modern brook]

KR timer feels really free now too

[lusty grotto]

we have to run that KR we have

[primal crypt]

Kr this week definitely needs a rog

[lusty grotto]

haven't done any

[modern brook]

Only did a 10 so far but it was very clean; shoulda been a 2 chest but tank couldnt cancel cinematic for 2nd shroud xD

[sick sentinel]

Well last 2 times I depleted a shrine

[primal crypt]

Unless you feel like over clearing

By like 8%

[sick sentinel]

Somebody got cleaved on second boss

[lusty grotto]

rip

[modern brook]

Shrine this week is decided on the 2nd boss tbh

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[modern brook]

3rd boss is a joke and u can reliably 2 phase the last

Probably can one phase it if you actually have kicks

[primal crypt]

Team Nimchipofango

[sick sentinel]

3rd boss was always a joke

[lusty grotto]

well there's also the accidental cast on add phase

which 1 shots healer if hes not prepared

[primal crypt]

Or is it Team Bullchip

[modern brook]

Bullchip is def a better name tbh

[primal crypt]

Nimfango

[west kayak]

I vote BullChip

[primal crypt]

Lol

[modern brook]

Bullchiparino

assuming u ever fucking play with us 😠

[sick sentinel]

BullChip 👌

[lusty grotto]

calm down satans

[primal crypt]

🍆

[potent anvil]

Personally i disagree with shrine getting 3 minutes. They should have decreased the mob count for %. KR is fundamentally a bad dungeon imo so 3 mins extra is fine.

[modern brook]

Shrine getting 3 minutes AND reaping caster nerf AND templar from lost to Risen make the dungeon SUPER ez tbh

Like theres 2-3 stress points in the dungeon

vs the previous ~7-8

though i might be exagerating coming off a harder week into the free 15 week

[potent anvil]

Right, but 3 mins werent needed. Groups have been making faster routes. But i dunno, i remembered my timed 18 pre-buff was still a high ranked shrine lol.

[modern brook]

Sorry; my point was that between the other dungeon nerfs, i think +3min was unecessarily premature

[potent anvil]

Yeah. But I suppose it makes it easier for the general population of players.

[primal crypt]

Shrine was heavily avoided

At least for pugs

[sick sentinel]

Many groups have been doing shrine with 4-5 mins left when they struggled last week

The 3mins make you feel safer

[primal crypt]

Same with the reaps

Not as bad

[modern brook]

THe reap change is welcome imo

Shrine was aids cause of Bubbles doing On-death AND on hit shit

And ther reaps were like 90% casters

all of that is changed, and we have 3 minutes

like most of what made the dungeon hard cause of how it meshed with affixes was removed

And then we also got 3 minutes.

[sick sentinel]

The 3 mins makes you pull safer, be less anxious and do less mistakes

Not needed tho

[modern brook]

I aint complaining

[primal crypt]

What I wish would happen

[modern brook]

Just seemed premature considering the other changes

[primal crypt]

No more overlapping nameplates

[sick sentinel]

Ion said in a qna before

[modern brook]

And removing 3 minutes sounds like the kinda things to make reddit scream

[primal crypt]

God my thumbs are bad

[woven trellis]

Even im happy to reroll warrior, i kinda fear the lack of self healing compared to it, is it goin to be hard to adjus?

compared to BDK i mean

[primal crypt]

@woven trellis you will rely on your healer

You have no heals unless you killing blow something

[sick sentinel]

"Some times we have to overnerf or overbuff to change community perception"

[modern brook]

@woven trellis some guy in here once said there is zero difference between taking 100 damage, and preventing 50 of it vs taking 100 daamage and healing 50 of it

[sick sentinel]

@woven trellis you don't need healing if you don't take damage

[modern brook]

You're going to be less in control of your health bar than DK, but more incontrol of your damage intake

[primal crypt]

Makes you a better player imo

[modern brook]

A better tank for sure

[narrow abyss]

My healer hates my BDK after getting used to prot

[modern brook]

You cant play Prot reactively

[narrow abyss]

Hp ping pongs

[primal crypt]

Especially when you go back to other tanks

[narrow abyss]

Even if I heal myself back up

[primal crypt]

Bdk requires trust lmao

The way their hp moves

[lusty grotto]

say no to rerolls

keep being bdk

[primal crypt]

Same with paladin im coming to find out

Requires trust

No one mitigates like a warrior

It's truly awesome

[modern brook]

Double armor stats are p good, it turns out

I'm like super interested in playing Protadin

[lusty grotto]

ugh

[sick sentinel]

Wait, double armor?

[modern brook]

but i lookat it and im like "its just bad warrior with blessings"

Block ~= 2nd armor stat

in that it reduces damage the same way

[lusty grotto]

protadin ugh 🤢

[primal crypt]

Divine shield with final stand

[modern brook]

Mostly i want to show up the other protadins in my guild TBH

[primal crypt]

HNGGGGG

[lusty grotto]

looking for my nearest trash can

[primal crypt]

The little healing thing is pretty cool too

Light of protector or whatever

Clutch

[modern brook]

Protadin also has sick DPS tbh

[lusty grotto]

lotp

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[modern brook]

Plus Pally mogs 👀

[primal crypt]

HNGG

[potent anvil]

Prot pally ST dps is huge.

[primal crypt]

YUGE

[modern brook]

b i g

[primal crypt]

highest out of all tanks

[modern brook]

thoughts on Ztroll vs Belf Protadin?

[primal crypt]

By a good margin

I went ztroll

[modern brook]

I feel like ztroll have better animations, but belf have beeter mogs + racials

[primal crypt]

Final stand bubble Regeneratin

Ztroll looks far better in mogs imho

[modern brook]

I'm 100% concinved final stand is a waasted talent

thanks YAm

U convinced me

Ztroll Pally

[primal crypt]

Male though

Female isnt impressive

[potent anvil]

Final stand is bubble taunt?

[primal crypt]

Yup

Bubble aoe taunt

[potent anvil]

There are a few pulls that are nice with bubble taunt.

[primal crypt]

Best used for reap

So ive come to find out

Or when you die while reaping into another pack

Lol

Can still get aggro back

[lusty grotto]

🤢

[modern brook]

Oh the taunts AoE

I didnt know that

I thought it was just a talented macro tbh

Also lol at making a FZtroll

[lusty grotto]

i cant play male characters 😦

[primal crypt]

They have better buttcheeks imo

Can see more mog

[lusty grotto]

i disagree

[potent anvil]

If you were to bubble manually and then taunt, to my understanding youll lose the #1 threat spot after taunt wears off while still bubbled. So final stand makes it different I think. Could be wrong.

[lusty grotto]

its all about the booty

also the male grunts are...

i don't know how you guys complain about chef nimchip's grunts

[primal crypt]

@potent anvil i still bop taunt and yeah

We lose aggro

But final stand keeps everything on me

[modern brook]

@potent anvil after the fixate u lose aggro, but you can just /cancelaura the bubble after the fixate from taunt

[lusty grotto]

not necesary

you can still keep building up threat

[sand egret]

female ZTrolls are dope

[lusty grotto]

while bubbled iirc

but again i could be wrong

[modern brook]

Yeah but w/o final stand, the boss wont hit you while you're bubbled

after the 3s fixate from taunting

[lusty grotto]

hmm

you might be right

[modern brook]

I'm like 90% on it

[potent anvil]

Yeah I think thats how the behavior works.

[modern brook]

The idea being you can just use bubble to skip mechanics / get a few seconds of healing out

rather than as a cooldown

[sand egret]

i'm no pally expert, but part of it is that while bubbled you're treated as "untargetable". I imagine last stand changes that flag

[potent anvil]

I remember calling for bop on tree boss for a 90 stack crush, in which i forgot to cancel after taunting and it one shot a poor dps.

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[primal crypt]

Yeah without final stand you drop threat

[modern brook]

honestly their fault

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest, i would have laughed

[modern brook]

If ur tanks calling for bop and ur not dying by the sword

👀

[lusty grotto]

tree goes sit the fuck down dps

[sand egret]

I'd do that shit on cooldown

another reason I shouldnt play that class

[lusty grotto]

jesus im laughing just imagining it

[sand egret]

Tree Boi: "naw chill"

[modern brook]

I had a protadin try and use bop on blade combo :^(

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

have they heard about SotR their lord and savior?

[modern brook]

Bop is like kiting; you take 0 damage :^)

[lusty grotto]

excuse me sir, did you know you can block attacks like warriors?

ahem

bull

that reminds me

[sand egret]

oh man story time: I blew my healer's mind last night. They learned that kiting =/= running 3 miles away.

[lusty grotto]

please make cancelaura macros on all your abilities

what?

[sand egret]

dude was having a fit because I wasn't "running"

[lusty grotto]

i always run to Africa, it's a free trip

[sand egret]

(mind you im on my bear)

im like bruh I can literally just stand in here (your RoP) and then ursol's and reset

still didn't getit

[potent anvil]

Imagine having to kite as a tank. Feelsbadman

[sand egret]

just was spamming "RUNN" whenever he RoP'd

[lusty grotto]

i bet that was the same fucking monk that ran the one AD last week that i ALT+F4d

[sand egret]

well this was an all Ragnaros pug 😃

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ

[sand egret]

i rolled up, saw the servers names and was just like

"Here we go"

[lusty grotto]

that's definitely not it, but i still would have alt+f4d

accepts group invite

welp! presses alt+f4

[modern brook]

dUde

Monk Healers

w/o discord

Are the biggest fucking monkeys in the world

[sand egret]

but yeah Des, I probably didn't need to kite but he was RoPing at like 10 stacks so I decided to play along

[potent anvil]

Even during pugs, healers would use typhoon or ring when im at 20 stacks and have avatar rolling. Feelsbadman

[modern brook]

i have a shield, team

[exotic spoke]

Grats!

[lusty grotto]

well that depends on the dungeon

[sand egret]

i've learned that it's easier to play with your pugs than force them to play your way

[lusty grotto]

WM 20-30 stacks is a nono

[exotic spoke]

I got the diamond on our first mythic kill last night

[sand egret]

yeah i was in WM tbh

[modern brook]

grats riki

[lusty grotto]

gz riki

[sand egret]

i'm jealous

[modern brook]

I've been in arms loot spec since 2nd week mythic

tryna get a BIG SWORD u kno?

[lusty grotto]

(but i did keep tanking shit while avatar was up, because fuck healers that's why)

[exotic spoke]

Thanks. Now I just need a shield. Our returning shaman got a 420 Tuesday - doesn’t even have a main hand yet

Healers have feelings?

[potent anvil]

True, depends on the pack in WCM. I didnt time a 21 I did, but guard/captain packs are kited earlier.

[modern brook]

Yeah if avatar is up dude im not fucking moving

tHeres an 8yd circle around me

[lusty grotto]

yea guard captain packs

[exotic spoke]

Gotta get more claps in

[modern brook]

And everything better fucking be in it

[sand egret]

that cleave

O_O

[lusty grotto]

or guard captain and witch packs

[primal crypt]

Im at like 60 stacks and the healer is trying to bop me

[modern brook]

am i sub 20%? great. 40+ stacks? Awesome

[primal crypt]

Gotta get that 99

[narrow abyss]

The captains suck

[modern brook]

I am going to fucking pump

[narrow abyss]

Ass

[modern brook]

I dont care

[potent anvil]

But I pulled the whole pig boss room in one go and just prayed things died before i did.

[lusty grotto]

lol

i did that

[modern brook]

Hell yeah des

I'm doing that to my group more and more

[sand egret]

if you're not pulling all of Raal's room....are you really playing?

[lusty grotto]

but i told people to pop cds

[primal crypt]

Des going for the 50k overall lmao

[modern brook]

Just super aggresive double and triple pulls because "fuck it idk"

[exotic spoke]

How bad is it this week? To do things like that.

[sand egret]

i do that in my pugs followed with an "oops"

[modern brook]

Really not

[lusty grotto]

its not bad

[narrow abyss]

That’s what my dps been telling me

[modern brook]

Raging hurts more then necroti

[narrow abyss]

I gotta go more mongo

[modern brook]

mostly cause necrotic amplifies raging

[potent anvil]

If youre not beating at least one dps overall, you might as well play a different tank. Ez

[exotic spoke]

I’d imagine not terrible because by the time you have to kite due to necrotic they are pretty low and probably raging

[narrow abyss]

I guess the pug prot they see just go nuts

[modern brook]

having a boomy helps a lot

basically nullifies the week

[primal crypt]

Raging witch plus captain

[exotic spoke]

Assuming you have to kite

[primal crypt]

Feels good

[lusty grotto]

yeah yamo

[modern brook]

You dont actually take damage till 30+ stacks / <30% haelth

[sand egret]

Prot is literally a spec designed around going full mongo.

which is ironic

[lusty grotto]

i had the anus clenching going on on captain+witch raging

[sand egret]

considering its focus on proactive mitigation

[lusty grotto]

almost almost full on hemorrhoid clenching

then hunter was soothing

i was like what the fuck why didn't you say anything

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sand egret]

i was gonna say....what's raging? #justbearthings

[primal crypt]

Blade

[sand egret]

you a pally!

[exotic spoke]

Soothing works?

[modern brook]

I ran with an rdruid for the first time last night

[primal crypt]

Ill have you know, Im leveling a druid

[modern brook]

god do i love rdruids

[exotic spoke]

Fuck nice

[sand egret]

ok you're cool again Yamo

[lusty grotto]

hello, can we level druids together guys

[potent anvil]

Every witch pack hurts. Maybe not soulcharmers, but the marked sisters that do darkened blade. Raging darkened blade is like eating a raging charged claw from a mech in ML.

[modern brook]

mines 117

[lusty grotto]

nimchippy needs leveling love

[primal crypt]

I like the ztroll bear turtle thing

[lusty grotto]

mine is 111

[primal crypt]

Mine is 20

[sand egret]

TW train ahoy!

[modern brook]

ooof

[primal crypt]

I just made it yesterday

[lusty grotto]

lets do all druid TW group

[exotic spoke]

I’ve got a shitty NE 110 Druid

[olive merlin]

I like bear tanking lol

[primal crypt]

@potent anvil we can reflect the witches right?

[narrow abyss]

Druid or paladin. Help

[lusty grotto]

Druidchip group tomorrow guys

[primal crypt]

@narrow abyss if you want to push, paladin

[lusty grotto]

not tonight cause im getting drunk

[woven trellis]

@lusty grotto why did u say earlier that i should stick to BDK and not reroll

[primal crypt]

Druid will take some time to get like lipkiss

[lusty grotto]

because rerollers are yucky

[woven trellis]

??

[potent anvil]

@primal crypt which ability? I know you can reflect some of it.

[primal crypt]

Dont listen to @lusty grotto

[woven trellis]

that look like a very deep argument @lusty grotto

[primal crypt]

He's a holy paladin

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck

hes an alt

i mean she

[primal crypt]

It

[lusty grotto]

yes it

thanks yamo

[primal crypt]

@potent anvil any of the stuff they do

Just for additional mitigation, reflect to stay alive longer

You told me to reflect something

[modern brook]

yah xd ppl who dont main spec protwar are yucky sweats in rogue

[primal crypt]

I cant remember what it was lul

[potent anvil]

You can reflect soul bolts if they target out, otherwise reflect for the DR.

[primal crypt]

Was it the matron?

[potent anvil]

I cant remember if darkened blade hits can be reflected.

[modern brook]

wtf is a darkened blade?

[potent anvil]

Oh the matron at the basement

[lusty grotto]

hmm matron

[primal crypt]

Right right

[potent anvil]

You can reflect decaying touch

[primal crypt]

We usually dont pull her

[lusty grotto]

i mean

yeah

[leaden grail]

I just did my 1st HC raid as tank, on gronk, if he casts smash 3 times, how are u supposed to survive? He killed me with the 2nd smash that hit me even though I had full IP, shield wall and last stand active?

[lusty grotto]

we skip the shit out of her

[primal crypt]

Yeeeee the decayed touch

Gotta remember that

[narrow abyss]

You’re not supposed to eat a second smash

Tanks have to taunt

[leaden grail]

how do you avoid it though if he casts it 3 times?

[lusty grotto]

you taunt swap

[narrow abyss]

The first guy taunts back

Tank 1 has smash 1

[leaden grail]

the stacks drop in that time?

[narrow abyss]

Tank 2 takes smash 2

[lusty grotto]

yes

[leaden grail]

ah.

[narrow abyss]

Tank 1 tanks smash 1

Yeah it falls off

It’s like 2.5s in mythic

The debuff

[lusty grotto]

ideally you do not want to get hit by the same cast twice in a row

be it smash, or rend

[leaden grail]

welp, got flamed by the entire raid for dying even though I was fairly sure it wasnt my fault. #pugworld

[potent anvil]

Marked sisters have an ability/passive called darkened blade. Their auto attacks apply shadow dmg. Its like venom tipped blades from stalkers in AD or when a mech in ML gets charged claw.

[jagged bay]

hi have a nice weekend everyone!

[leaden grail]

good to know

[woven trellis]

@lusty grotto im still waiting for a deeper argument u know, because it doesnt make sense to me

[primal crypt]

@leaden grail also, before you get thrown. Spell reflect

So you dont get the dot

And spam intervene on your tank

So you dont get thrown away

[sick sentinel]

Wait what was that a reply to

[lusty grotto]

@leaden grail

[sick sentinel]

What doesn't make sense

[lusty grotto]

not sure

i said rerolls were yucky

because as you all know, i absolutely dislike them

[modern brook]

they are mad yucky

ur right

[woven trellis]

u mean like when people say other races are yucky

[primal crypt]

[woven trellis]

or that jew are yucky

[lusty grotto]

hoho

[woven trellis]

or that girls are yucky

?

[primal crypt]

Whoa.

[sick sentinel]

You have to re-gear

[modern brook]

holy shit dude

[woven trellis]

the kind of absurd and general assessment

?

[primal crypt]

Chillllllll

[modern brook]

its a fucking joke, calm down

[lusty grotto]

now that's trying hard

[narrow abyss]

LOL we’d

Wtf

Bro

[primal crypt]

Jesussss

[lusty grotto]

3/10 terrible troll

no baits

[narrow abyss]

Rerollers are people too

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[modern brook]

yikers

[woven trellis]

its not trolling its just fckin tiring people just throw up nonsense things all the time

[primal crypt]

That went off the grid quick

[woven trellis]

its class discord for gods sake

[modern brook]

@leaden grail in an effort to get away from this line of discussion

[woven trellis]

just talk smart please

[sick sentinel]

What do jews and women have to do with this lol

[modern brook]

Triple smash is T1 taunt T2 taunt T1

Reflect if you're active tank during 3rd combo hit

TRiple bite is a bigger issue

[woven trellis]

its not about jews and women its about people saying weird general assesment with nonsense and call that 'joking' wheres the joke lol

[primal crypt]

True that, the bleed is insane

From the bites

[narrow abyss]

Ya

[modern brook]

if you take 2 bites, you will be thrown so u need to hit that reflect or you will bleed really hard

[sick sentinel]

@woven trellis prot warrior is straight up better with current tunning in most occasions

[modern brook]

probably will need an external

[sick sentinel]

Nim just doesn't personally like re-rolling

[lusty grotto]

why take 3 bites though

can just taunt in between

[modern brook]

You'd take 2

[narrow abyss]

I let the monk take 2

[lusty grotto]

ya

[severe pond]

You can call for bop to clean the bleed stack

[sick sentinel]

If you wanna reroll and re-gear and re-learn a spec it's completely up to you

[modern brook]

like if you get bite->bite

you have to taunt

[lusty grotto]

rule of thumb is > taunt if the cast is the same the 2nd time

[modern brook]

cause no garuntee the 3rd is bite

so it will always be 1-1

[lusty grotto]

third person casted on will take the grip

[oblique garnet]

bite-bite-taunt

[modern brook]

Yeah you could do that

[narrow abyss]

Yup

[modern brook]

but 🤷

IDT you can fit a taunt in between the 3rd bite and the throw

[woven trellis]

well he clearly answered me to not reroll and to stick to BDK, i clearly thought there was any kind of serious reason behind for that, sorry for misunderstanding trolling

[modern brook]

I could be wrong

[oblique garnet]

its 90% chance of dying if you have 2 bleeds on you and you get thrown

[ionic fern]

BoP is a life saver then

[lusty grotto]

i didn't even tag you rofl

[oblique garnet]

yeah bop is good for situation like that

[modern brook]

Triple bite in general is def the tank killer in that fight

triple smash is a big whatever for us, since its blockable

any other combination is just taunt swaps

[oblique garnet]

on mythic?

triple smash

?

??

[sick sentinel]

@woven trellis basically, a very good skilled and geared bdk will be better than mediocre skilled and geared prot warrior

[narrow abyss]

I mean you see both pushing high shit it’s a matter of what u want to play

[woven trellis]

@sick sentinel not after proper training and learning phase, especially if the playstile is more likable

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet triple smash has happened in mythic

[woven trellis]

its like saying if i do Ski for 5years, im goin to be worst at snowboarding after 1 month

like

sure

but why even say it

[sick sentinel]

The rule of thumb that I use is taunt after 2 casts or after a smash

[narrow abyss]

2 bites taunt. Second smash taunt. 3rd smash they taunt back

[oblique garnet]

yeah but

you dont tank 3 smashes in a row

[signal plover]

Kaege's rule of thumb is most accurate.

[narrow abyss]

Me personally

[primal crypt]

@woven trellis basically boils down to do you feel like kiting or nah

[lusty grotto]

yes kaege's is my rule of thumb

[signal plover]

Triple smash the initial tank has to be paying attention

[modern brook]

@oblique garnet im not saying "face tank 3 smashes because ur a man"

[lusty grotto]

literally the only thing you pay attention to in that fight are combos, and maybe moving the boss away from bots a bit

[modern brook]

im saying that of the combinations, 3 smashes is very easy for the tanks to handle compared to triple bite

[narrow abyss]

And yelling at dps cause they ditched you after throw

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah

[sick sentinel]

@woven trellis well if you calculate the time to level up a warrior (assuming you don't have one) and gear and learn him, you'll get invested and the inevitable nerfs of 8.2 will come out and you'll be a sad boy

[woven trellis]

@primal crypt like u think playing prot requires more kitin?

[sick sentinel]

Again, this is not my opinion about this

Just my translation

[oblique garnet]

@woven trellis prot doesnt need kiting unless its necrotic or sanguine

[primal crypt]

@woven trellis as in dk needs more kiting

[sick sentinel]

Warriors don't kite

[primal crypt]

We can pop mitigation and just stand there and take hits

[woven trellis]

ok thats what i thought, but since DK doesnt kite THAT much i wasnt sure of whaat u were saying

[modern brook]

@narrow abyss I think if you pre-berzerker rage you can dodge the horrify still

i havent tested it myself, im DPS in raids at this point

[narrow abyss]

Welp TIL

[narrow abyss]

I know you can’t do it after

[lusty grotto]

all this bdk talk will summon levko and sadbox

[modern brook]

100% on that,

[woven trellis]

i dont like kiting

[oblique garnet]

@narrow abyss doesnt work in mythic

[modern brook]

I remember seeing people say that you can BR before the roar and dodge the horrify still

[woven trellis]

i like grab

tho

[silver tangle]

is this still right? cause i see many people pixl bloodsport over the other 2

[narrow abyss]

Got it

[woven trellis]

but jumping does feel even better

[lusty grotto]

yes its still the case @silver tangle

[modern brook]

IDK if its ever been confirmed or not

[hollow thorn]

thats probably just cus its their only option

[primal crypt]

@woven trellis how familiar are you with los tanking?

[sick sentinel]

Bloodsport isn't that good in my experience

[lusty grotto]

bloodsport is actually bad this week

[modern brook]

^

def a dead trait this week

[primal crypt]

Bloodsport is terrible this week lol

[narrow abyss]

Ya

I just remembered to take prism off last night haha

[lusty grotto]

might be good on other weeks, but not in necrotic weeks

[modern brook]

My bias is 3 bom 2 bfi 1 dc

tbh

[sick sentinel]

I dislike bloodsport equally every week

[primal crypt]

I cant take my prism off

:(

[knotty wagon]

Smash shouldnt hit s tsnk twice even with 3 smashes

[primal crypt]

425 socket prism

[narrow abyss]

Oh god

[knotty wagon]

1st falls off before 3rd applies

[primal crypt]

HNGGG

[narrow abyss]

So jealous

[ionic fern]

Anyone here that has Grong's trinket?

[lusty grotto]

well i got a 405 butcherblock yam, screw you

[modern brook]

😠 NO 😠

[primal crypt]

Yeah. I do

[oblique garnet]

yamorino has it

[modern brook]

I fucking want that trinket so bad dude

[narrow abyss]

Wait is it good

[modern brook]

IDK

but its a monkey mad trinket

[narrow abyss]

I gave one away to a dk

[knotty wagon]

@ionic fern whatchu need?

[narrow abyss]

Gahhhhhhhh

[primal crypt]

Its strong yeah

[modern brook]

and im the monkey mad man u kno

[sick sentinel]

I go prot lootspec on grong even though I have a 420 weapon

So I don't get trinket

[primal crypt]

But I screw myself with it

[woven trellis]

@primal crypt im still learning, i rolled BDK when i got back into the game 2 month ago because my guild wanted a BDK for raid, turns up i love M+ more than anything and i think id rather spend time learning protection war now. About LoS tanking, i mostly try but dont succeed always

[primal crypt]

A lot

[lusty grotto]

he will need parses with it iirc, correct me if im wrong Mwahi

(with grong's trinket)

[modern brook]

LoS tanking requires you to heard DPS into corners

[primal crypt]

Sure, I can do testing with it if you want @ionic fern

[modern brook]

most things that require LoS will gladly punch your dps regarldess of aggro tables if they cant see you

[primal crypt]

It's only a baseline 415 though

No socket or anything

[woven trellis]

@modern brook im not sure i get ur point

[modern brook]

Like uhhh

the shooter dudes in seige

IF you're trying to LoS pull them

and your DPS is out in the open

[exotic spoke]

Your dps better los too

[modern brook]

They'll just shoot them instead of you

and LoSing wont do anything

[primal crypt]

@modern brook lmao

So true

[modern brook]

I still say warrior should've gotten haymaker

😠

[sick sentinel]

Well maybe because they give 0 fucks about aggro

[modern brook]

Im on my new hot take though

[lusty grotto]

nah we just need silencing Heroic throw back

[sick sentinel]

And they shoot random people

[potent anvil]

@ionic fern i have a 425 grong trinket

[modern brook]

Intimidating shout should be a soothe

[narrow abyss]

Yeah I was gonna say I don’t think they have aggro table they shoot indiscriminately

[knotty wagon]

@primal crypt make a /use 13 /cancelaura macro

[narrow abyss]

Or else I have to apologize to my dps

[knotty wagon]

Much less punishing if you can easily cancel

Then onky punishment is you kill its throughput

[primal crypt]

@knotty wagon i swapped to 425 prism/alche

Lol

Bigbrain

[lusty grotto]

excuse me my /use 13 is tied to /cast Avatar

also /cast Bloodrage

[potent anvil]

Use 14 then. Ez

[primal crypt]

[narrow abyss]

Big brain

[sick sentinel]

You are wasting a gcd fish m worth of uptime

[narrow abyss]

Holy moly

[modern brook]

I play from the spell book

[sick sentinel]

[modern brook]

Because im RPing the big fucking loid that i am

[woven trellis]

@modern brook BUT not i have aggro...

[modern brook]

certain ranged mobs dotn care about the aggro table

[lusty grotto]

900IQ move
put /use 13 and /use 14 together and notice it failing completely because you're a fucking retard

[modern brook]

and will shoot whatever they can see

🤷

[lusty grotto]

i may or may not admit that it happened to me

[modern brook]

My point was just if you're failing LoS pulling, chances are your DPS arent doing the LoS with you

[woven trellis]

yeah thats right

[primal crypt]

You know whats worse? @lusty grotto only using /use 13 with big red button

[potent anvil]

Having a 13 and 14 use macro, uses 13 first. But if your goal was to use both then yeah. Wont work

[primal crypt]

And all of a sudden your character is stutter stepping

All throughout the dungeon

[knotty wagon]

LoS pulls only fail against targets thst cant move or dps that screwnuo :(

[primal crypt]

Because the damn big red button has an aoe cursor

[modern brook]

For the record: I have 2 challenge runs set up

[lusty grotto]

in that vein... i still haven't changed the macro so its trying to use Merekrah's shitty ass fang every avatar

[modern brook]

I'm going to set up a 10 to play Prot with on a game cube controller

and then im going to set up a 10 to play prot with only by typing /cast [name]

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo

[primal crypt]

Stupid big red button needs /use [@player] 13

[sick sentinel]

I feel bad for the 4 poor souls that will carry you

[primal crypt]

Dumb as hell

[lusty grotto]

haha

i can just imagine that

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel /cast Spell Reflect

[primal crypt]

@modern brook do a third

[modern brook]

no you :^)

[sick sentinel]

[@cursor] is the play

[slow kiln]

Is the big red button a nice tanking trink?

[primal crypt]

Using only the spell journal

[sick sentinel]

@slow kiln garbo

[narrow abyss]

Atleast chest and copy and paste cast thunderclap

[modern brook]

@slow kiln not particularly

[lusty grotto]

its not

[narrow abyss]

Cheat

[slow kiln]

Oh ok lol

[lusty grotto]

but its good if you have a super high ilvl

[modern brook]

@primal crypt thats how i play normally

[lusty grotto]

compared to your others

[primal crypt]

Lmaooooooo

Goddamnit bull

[sick sentinel]

Keybinds are for nerds

[modern brook]

I'm a firm believer that the game cube contorller one will be super ok assuming the movement binds work out right

[narrow abyss]

I mean there’s that one dude that tanked mythic taloc off his phone

So

[lusty grotto]

i swear im gonna stream me playing by clicking on the windows 10 on screen keyboard (without A and D rebound to strafe)

[sick sentinel]

I wanna try that as well

[lusty grotto]

that way

i will cover all bases

[modern brook]

OO nim

thats sick

[lusty grotto]

both clicker and keyboard turner

[modern brook]

gtg

bbl

Iluall

[lusty grotto]

i'll be collecting my special twitch olympics prize within a month

also i will make sure to click the default bound S key a whole lot

that way it will be keyboard turner, backpedaling, clicker streaming now

[olive merlin]

What do you all bind S to anyway?

[lusty grotto]

Whatever else, I have demo shout

[sick sentinel]

I backpedal

[lusty grotto]

It's ok

[sick sentinel]

During volkal it's pretty good

[olive merlin]

I still have it there as back pedal.. I still use it for minute adjustments to the pack lol

[sick sentinel]

Exactly

[lusty grotto]

Back pedaling is actually not so bad compared to the other two, especially as a tank

[sick sentinel]

Because they try to go hit my back

[narrow abyss]

S is bound to backpedal so I can back up into stairs and my healer starts screaming about Los

[lusty grotto]

Rofl

[sick sentinel]

So I keep them in front of me

[lusty grotto]

Yeah backpedaling is acceptable for tanks, just not for other classes

Imo

[olive merlin]

My hunter in guild has her S as disengage.. flys off boat on blockade lol

[lusty grotto]

Just remember though, you still block (and dodge and parry) if you are sideways strafing from mobs

And you actually move faster

[sick sentinel]

Thing is

I don't want to move faster

[round vortex]

No need if you’re trying to keep the mobs in place

[sick sentinel]

I want to move slowly

[round vortex]

Faster isn’t always better

[lusty grotto]

You just like the moonwalk kaege

[primal crypt]

My S key is still backpedal

[sick sentinel]

If I wanted to go faster I would strafe

[primal crypt]

You need it as a tank

For minor adjusting

And stutter stepping

[woven trellis]

do u guys use LEFT and RIGHT rotation keys?

[lusty grotto]

Hmm that is true

[woven trellis]

ive been using only strafe for 15 years

[primal crypt]

Strafe only

Rotation keys are unbound

But for the stutter step trick, you kind of need back pedaling

[round vortex]

I use them 😁

[primal crypt]

Depending on the mob

[woven trellis]

yeah me too but ive been curious to know who use them and why

[lusty grotto]

That's keyboard turning baratus

[primal crypt]

But you can strafe for the stutter step trick

[round vortex]

Yup I’m 100% aware of that

[woven trellis]

im very curious to know what people can do with the 'turning' keys

[signal plover]

Strafe kiting/boss movement is still effective

[primal crypt]

But sometimes you move too quick while strafing

[round vortex]

It’s not a problem at all. I use both. Having them available to me can help heaps

[signal plover]

And u do need backpedal as a tank

[woven trellis]

but how baratus%

[knotty wagon]

@woven trellis strafe when holding mouse

[lusty grotto]

I haven't needed backpedals in a decade

[knotty wagon]

Idk why but i use turni gkeys, and i onky really turn with mpuse

[round vortex]

Might not be a raid benefit, it could be me clicking through logs while playing with 1 hand

[knotty wagon]

I guess its just a confort thing

[primal crypt]

@round vortex you only have one hand??

[round vortex]

I’m not saying they have strong use always in a raid or something but I’m. It unbinding them for world content

[lusty grotto]

I mostly strafe with mouse look but I still have a and d bound to strafe

[primal crypt]

You're a pirate

[knotty wagon]

I dont key turn, not sure why i have it bound like that

But it feels comfy

Wasd stays the same as it always has

[round vortex]

For me it could be something as simple as having a drink or using the stream deck or clicking through details or something

[lusty grotto]

yeah except you never use the keyboard turn so might as well rebind it

at least in my case

i did my binds back in vanilla so

they have been like that for a huge while

[knotty wagon]

Idk, 0 point tonredo it

[lusty grotto]

s key took longer probably since wotlk

[knotty wagon]

Q and E strafe on their own

And i dont need the binds

[sick sentinel]

@woven trellis what I do with the turning keys is to hold right click with them

[knotty wagon]

My binds are comfy

[sick sentinel]

So I can strafe

[lusty grotto]

scratch that, i rebound the S-key in TBC on glad runs

[narrow abyss]

People still keyboard turn?

[knotty wagon]

Ofc

[sick sentinel]

Yes they do pb

[knotty wagon]

My rsid leader used ignore pain 3 times on heroic grong

[lusty grotto]

of course they do, haven't you looked at pugs in a while LOL

[narrow abyss]

Honestly no idea wow hasn’t made a and d strange by default

[round vortex]

I’m a proud KB turner! Represent! And own it

[knotty wagon]

He sits at like 10% or less ignorepain uptime

[narrow abyss]

Just save new players a lot of grief

[sick sentinel]

I use q and e for spells

[knotty wagon]

They made you turn fsster

I dont need that

[lusty grotto]

i used Q and E for stances

they are still bound to them

so Q ends up being stealth on rogue, or Q and E for shapeshifting

[sick sentinel]

Q for and e for revenge

[old zephyr]

I use them for taunt and charge

[round vortex]

If you guys saw my binding you’d absolutely have an anurism

[sick sentinel]

Q is also stealth for rogue

[lusty grotto]

do you still have spells bound to 6-0?

because if you do

i will most certainly have an aneurysm

[old zephyr]

I don't =)

[sick sentinel]

Me neither

[round vortex]

I’m not revealing them. Top secret. Even my guild doesn’t know

[old zephyr]

12345qefrc

[knotty wagon]

These are my bibds

[old zephyr]

And mods

[narrow abyss]

Tiny asian hands so even 5 is a stretch for me 😂

[round vortex]

If you watched a kill video and I told you my bindings you wouldn’t believe me.

[lusty grotto]

well

if you are used to them

[sick sentinel]

Ignore visual bug

[lusty grotto]

and they are not a hindrance to using abilities quickly... then that's all that matters

[round vortex]

Yeah I don’t struggle with anything.

[knotty wagon]

12345, shift 12345, alt12345, v, sv, f, sf, g, t,f1234, alt shift 2, alt shift 3, , and alt

[sick sentinel]

But that's my binds

[lusty grotto]

kaege, your vid card might be dying

[sick sentinel]

It is

[lusty grotto]

check your temps

dead fan probably?

[sick sentinel]

I got it for cheap in 2012

[narrow abyss]

Idk I’ve seen some whacky shit posted on reddit lately

Rainbow mounts and stuff

Since the patch

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[sick sentinel]

It was fine until before the patch

[lucid bough]

stupid question: doest on proc shields like mythrax trinket gets affected by necrotic?

[sick sentinel]

I have a lot of funny screenshots since

[lusty grotto]

im running dx11 and nothing seems out of place, but i have a 1070ti

[knotty wagon]

I need to dust my computer

Reeeeee

[lusty grotto]

buy a power blower