big yikes
#protection
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
in a pug probably not
knotty wagon
My wife is a healer
astral crystal
thonking real hard here
knotty wagon
She can single heal it
sick sentinel
so you get like 18 dps
knotty wagon
:^)
sick sentinel
should be possible
astral crystal
there's no way you kill it before a set of adds at least
sick sentinel
you kill it before he bursts
full spruce
Pug life doing that is aids. Usually bad enough with 3
sick sentinel
and does damage to the whole raid
knotty wagon
Fights bengg done in like 1:30 or less, prolly bot pug friendly tho
sick sentinel
the only problem should be if 2 dwarves with hammers are doing the hammer thing in melee range
astral crystal
we got a 1:32 kill with two tanks, 3 healers iirc
if what youre saying is true it should be muc hfaster
would like to see logs of this though, sounds lit
full spruce
Fastest kill still uses 2 tanks
astral crystal
ok, on wcl i only see one 1 tank log and it's #17
astral crystal
just trying to figure out how it'd work
full spruce
Watch their replay and see
full spruce
I just like to 1 shot pug groups so I bring in whatever to make it stupid proof
sick sentinel
makes sense
full spruce
Usually try and bang out all 5 back to back on Fridays.
sick sentinel
and btw, that's what a tank main should be doing IMO, what bade is doing
keeping all tank specs up to date and ready to go
full spruce
Having no life playing all 6? Na. I hate myself
sick sentinel
it's a bunch of work tho, right?
maybe having 2 or 3 tanks
like imagine playing at a high level and playing only warrior and then warriors get nerfed to the ground
astral crystal
i literally only play WoW because of prot warr
sick sentinel
like at the point where DHs are right now
timid jay
yikes
full spruce
I play for 3 hours when I get home try and do AP swoops on horde island. Tuesday I do a heroic with old guild. Wed/thurs Mythic 4head prog. Fri afternoon 5 Mythic champs. Sat all +10s. Sunday’s islands. Monday drop into heroic bosses I need specific loot for. Try and do as much AP stuff every morning before bed
astral crystal
i started off maintaining a pally and prot warr
full spruce
Monk 409 41 neck
Warrior 409 41 neck
DH 408 38 neck
DK 409 38 neck
Paladin 404 39 neck
Bear 405 39 neck
astral crystal
but got bored of the pally rip
signal plover
I break it down into homework and prog raiding. HW is emmissaries, islands and weekly +10, then 2 nights for raiding. Run more keys when I get a chance.
I used to have the time to do similar to what bade does but now it's just unsustainable. And the game isn't rly all that motivating for me either.
narrow abyss
Jeez man
signal plover
Outside of mythic prog
narrow abyss
It’s the world quests and neck levels that kill me
full spruce
Oops warrior is now 411 after tonight
narrow abyss
War is 45 and BDK just hit 42
Don’t want to do a third 😂. Just left the dh at 40 and stopped doing em
signal plover
Yeah I can't be bothered to justify AP farm without burning out
signal plover
If I was still in college yeah
timid jay
reading this makes me so glad I quit 😂
full spruce
I had 7 tanks in legion. Cause I work graveyard I had an alliance warrior and found more aussies than on horde side so just did key pushes over there
sick sentinel
so my AP gain depends on how bad my sleep scedule is
full spruce
I’m 34. I also fit in time for my 2 crazy hyper aussies. Usually run them before bed and weekends before I sit down to grind we spend time at the dog parks
Just be nice to get into a better raid time
cobalt trellis
can you spell reflect grongs throw? if so, how do you time it?
full spruce
Just when you land
Spam the shit out of it. You get a little bit of time. Unless bear tanks that can barkskin or survive inst mid air
narrow abyss
When he’s casting bestial throw you spell reflect
full spruce
Call for externals
dusty flume
deflecting or reflecting it back at boss
full spruce
When you land you do nature damage
final mist
Yes, but the ticking damage he does when he picks you up is the bigger threat, and you can completely negate it by having SR up before he grabs you.
As opposed to cutting some of the landing damage.
Having SR up before the throw is much better than saving it for when you land
cobalt trellis
since i normally dps, i have no clue... do the timers on tank comb allow to always have SR up?
narrow abyss
Yes
sick sentinel
Moment of glory or Resounding Protection
narrow abyss
Even if you didn’t interrupt combo with orb
You’ll have SR for every throw
But yeah it’s 30k 5 ticks. It’s a lot
cobalt trellis
its not even mentioned on tanknotes, or i am missing it... seems to me to make the fight a lot easier.. even tho its on farm already
will try it next time i tank
thx
undone sun
it's mentioned in the SR/blockable spreadsheet
narrow abyss
You still might need an external if you have one bite. Definitely two
But I let the co tank eat two if I’m on throw bitch duty
I think icy veins fight by fight tips had it
modern brook
💪
I'm still way too proud of that throw find tbh
Tank notes im pretty sure recommended devestator throughout most of 8.0 so I'm not sure how much I'd trust it for prot stuff
also @cobalt trellis SR is 25s CD; Combo is every 30s
You will always have a SR for throw
but you may not always be the one tanking it
crisp pecan
i am using devastator because i am lazy as fuck to spam devastate
modern brook
I think I've pressed devestate like ~50 times a fight maybe?
crisp pecan
a lot
modern brook
snot that much
modern brook
Devestate spam is no where near as bad as it was in Legion
crisp pecan
frankly, i need to try it on my own, went directly for devastator when i switched to prot from fury
modern brook
Devastator isnt bad; just booming Voice though
lime mantle
Devastator is shit. You shouldn’t need to spam devastate that much
weary nacelle
Exactly this.
ionic fern
Devastator is not shit - especially not on ST.
steel mauve
Devestator isnt shit, but its definitely not any where near BV, it offers very little to survivability where as BV does quite a bit
sick sentinel
devastate animation on zandalari is not even that bad
jolly crest
Is it a spinning back slice though?
sick sentinel
it's the same as the orc's
yeah a spin slice
thing is
after I switched to prot and then back to fury
the animations were changed
lime mantle
It’s not fun to not press buttons hence why it’s bad.
#logic
undone sun
fun is subjective
modern brook
a classic wrong to meme move :^)
elder cairn
Regarding zandalari are there any sims og the best racial pick yet, regarding the Loa passives?
modern brook
As of yesterday; current feel craft was Paku or Bwom
oblique garnet
bobsalami does good st damage
modern brook
Bwom has the benefit of the ultimate meme set: giving you access to Devestator, 3x RF, and Bwom
so all your auto attacks hit 4 times
well; have the potential to hit 4 times*
Paku is just a flat 4% crit; which it turns out more stats is always good
I know Archi was talking in fury; and there are sims for it in Fury's pins
obviously thats not particularly helpful for us
elder cairn
Im currently Running bwonspongebob nyt was considering og it was worth changing
Wht er RF?
undone sun
reckless flurry
oblique garnet
does bobsalami proc from aa?
sick sentinel
memes
oblique garnet
it does say damaginb ABILITIES
modern brook
it better
i thought it was touch of the grave lol
IF it doesnt this will be a bigger hit than when i found out BoM ToM isnt a viable meme on Arms
elder cairn
Luls
modern brook
TBH; I expect loa selection to be roughly equal across all of them
Kimbulls on live performs worse than sims
Currently its bugged to be reduced by amror
undone sun
yeah, movement speed is equal
modern brook
🐒
elder cairn
Well the question is wether you should just ude the racial for max Damage output since Bob seems to do average 1% Damage each fight and thats equal to shit healing
modern brook
I leave it to the reader to remove the trivials as an exercise
If you want to heal with a racial press regeneratin
🤷
kind urchin
Went with Bwom and it did about 2% of my damage on average. Not too bad.
elder cairn
If not for the small heal there is No use for bob
modern brook
super untrue
elder cairn
Just get the crit instead
Compared to the other traits they will most likely provide more both survivability based and more damuge
Than bob
naive panther
Devastator triple rf no dc almost 18k sim ultimate meme dps build st only...
Not even high ilvl
Bob too
elder cairn
True but then again why would you even go for st
naive panther
For the lawls
brisk bough
noob question what rf?
naive panther
An op fury talent
undone sun
reckless flurry
modern brook
Reckless flurry its a fury trait
brisk bough
aaa kk
naive panther
Then go afk at keyboard auto attacking and still beat other tanks..
Lol jk but still
elder cairn
Thorughout the first 6 bosses yesterday in mythic
But i light need to check the logs
elder cairn
Mightve gotten the number wrong
oblique garnet
Whats your cpm?
naive panther
Made no change there
modern brook
Punish + HR
elder cairn
Sry but cpm?
oblique garnet
casts per minute
naive panther
I tried hr it sucked
narrow abyss
Casts per minute
elder cairn
Oh
undone sun
no shit
elder cairn
I need to check logs for that and be home
wise mirage
did they fix rasta?
elder cairn
@narrow abyss only had a look at champions so far but 143 casts on a 2.14 fight so 60 a min ish
naive panther
Ok just simmed punish combos and it was way behind but. 18.5k sim not using top gear just what I logged out in off my armory.
sick sentinel
Ok wtf is up with this Reckless fury shit I've been seeeing
elder cairn
Appearently its broken
naive panther
High dps st no survivability from it. It’s on the lvl of taking extra dc for aoe but for st. It’s been a thing for a while just not popular.
undone sun
not really broken, just noticeably ahead on ST
naive panther
Only take if you for some reason need dps over surv or want to flex your peen. It’s fun pushing numbers on tyr bosses.
elder cairn
Well i prefer to survive tbh 😁
sick sentinel
So on a fight like Grong/OP/Mekka/SW/Jaina it'd would be noticeable but ur easier to die
elder cairn
Anyway just checked i averaged 66-68 cpm om grong with bwon doing 2.3% of total Damage on a 4.45 min fight, thats actually quite alright!
sick sentinel
Yeah because I would not use that on fights with frequent adds/switching
Compared to stacking bfi, is there a noticeable difference?
elder cairn
Y
undone sun
so deva/rf is invalid with bobs
elder cairn
Y cause og only procs on abilities
narrow abyss
🤔
sick sentinel
I could imagine also if u go for the Punish/HR talents with BfIx3 it could go crazy
But fuck that
I think only Grong and OP id be like yeah sure don't go AM MAYBE
But that's only if u want that sweet tank parse
undone sun
honestly don't think it'll beat out current builds, you can sim it
oblique garnet
Juicy
naive panther
Prot has super strong survival talents that also give dps. So it doesn’t make that much sense to make yourself weaker by taking dps only traits. But on reclear stuff it usually doesn’t even matter. Pushing dps on a prog fight can be helpful in certain situations where your team undergears content. Pretty much no one is in that situation right now in the tier.
sick sentinel
Yeah it's just more spitballing bullshit ideas
undone sun
HR isn't even a dps talent, objectively worse than AM when avatar and DS are affected
sick sentinel
Hey man HR is just as good as Veng
undone sun
which is also shit
sick sentinel
naive panther
Hr is way less dps than am
sick sentinel
I still remember a rogue in my old guild telling me to use Veng during prog for Ant
"Bitch are you fucking for real"
naive panther
700 less dps for me
stable flame
is necrotic hard to deal with as prot?
sick sentinel
Depends
naive panther
Veng was pretty decent in antorus but no one acknowledged it
oblique garnet
Necrotic is pretty easy to deal with
undone sun
objectively worse than bv at the time
oblique garnet
Just annoying
sick sentinel
Give us back t21
modern brook
Raging is def the killer this week
wary gyro
T21 2 piece was crazy
sick sentinel
Raging is fine so long as u have a druid
wary gyro
Raging tyrannical is free as fuck
sick sentinel
Which u should
modern brook
🤷
sick sentinel
Tree squad>rock man
modern brook
rockman>tree squad tbh
modern brook
Imagine trusting your life to twigs
oblique garnet
Imagine trusting rocky to taunt
modern brook
:oof:
sick sentinel
wary gyro
Imagine trusting your life to a rock summoned by twigs
sick sentinel
^thata some true shit
But yeah this week is fucking free
Bring a druid and u'll be cake
wary gyro
This is 100% a push week
oblique garnet
Its still tyrannical
sick sentinel
Raging weeks always feel like free week
Tyrn really only affects like 2-3 dungeons
modern brook
Dont get me wrong; I'm not saying raging is hard
sick sentinel
Avoid UR because for some reason nobody can kick blood bolt
modern brook
^
but when ur relying on DPS
you end up getting hit by 3 water blasts that are enraged
oblique garnet
KR ML Atal SotS and
sick sentinel
Lol
oblique garnet
Well to an extent
modern brook
because ppl think they get bonus loot for every kick they miss
oblique garnet
Also UR
astral crystal
@shut summit what WA is that you're using on the jaina vid that puts a red line between you and the mob?
sick sentinel
I would take ML out the list
astral crystal
is that the cast indicator one
wary gyro
I only ever run ur on high keys with my pally since I can get all the blood bolts myself
sick sentinel
Atal can go fuck itself on tyrn just on the last boss
modern brook
I still say atal is a Tyr dungeon
oblique garnet
Yeah thats the only hard boss
sick sentinel
I hope u have a paly
sick sentinel
Cause fuck u
naive panther
Why is last boss hard?
sick sentinel
Spiders
modern brook
because it lasts 4 mins
wary gyro
The last boss is crazy on tyr
modern brook
and is the most Legion boss fight in BFA
oblique garnet
Its ridiculously long
sick sentinel
The longer the fight lasts the more flooded the areana gets
naive panther
Get someone to clear
oblique garnet
Its the only reason
wary gyro
The spiders are the worst
oblique garnet
Even with someone clearing
modern brook
Or a DH
naive panther
No dh will take netherwalk for the team
undone sun
it's not a public WA @astral crystal
naive panther
I’ve tried
modern brook
My b didnt realize that we were discussing dungeon runs in the idealic world where every druid knows how soothe works and yet half the classes with immunities dont exist
astral crystal
o
honest frigate
Is there any case basis for taking self-cauterizer vs absorbotron?
honest frigate
makes sense. how's its efficacy vs necrotic?
modern brook
I believe it removes only 1 stack
honest frigate
oh so not worth
dense flame
Btw how does the bait strat work for last boss atal? People just need to hard move to corners? Move to next corner once new set spider spawn?
modern brook
the absorb would also be reduced by necrotic
so
still has better usecases in necrotic*
dense flame
Or is there a more optimal strat for the higher longer duration keys.
modern brook
UHhh; probably not?
honest frigate
sorry just read edit
modern brook
IDK tyranical is the only real issue this week - and bosses dont eactly stack super high necrotic (on the whole)
so the extra sheild might be better?
honest frigate
i'll test and see
modern brook
IDK I'd say they're close enough that this weeks affixes shouldnt dictate your choice there
If u have a bunch of KR in your key group; use the cauterizer
honest frigate
i only just got the azerite leveled up though was doing 19's last night np
so regardless its a benefit was just trying to understand the efficacy of the two
modern brook
I've only ran SotS this week so far
so my concept of necrotic is basically sub 10 and >50
narrow abyss
Haha yup
modern brook
My healer recently changed from Priest to Monk
modern brook
which is fucking amazing; but he doesnt respond to ROP fast enoguh yet :^(
dense flame
ROP
honest frigate
just throw him off and ask for a life grip
sick sentinel
@honest frigate is it actually :p i havent been yet? i avoid it always
dense flame
Is fucking great
honest frigate
yeah i timed a 19 pretty easily. didn't feel bad on me at all
just 2nd boss is rough
sick sentinel
what was your comp?
dense flame
Getting pumped full of enveloping mists and vivs = yummy
honest frigate
was a pug double rogue resto druid, frost mage me as prot
so pretty good comp for it
modern brook
+3mins; templar being risen souls; and the range reduction on gave bolt make the dungeon a lot easier
sick sentinel
yeah loving the new grave bolt range
dense flame
They actually walk to you now
modern brook
that first reap is a lot less murder
dense flame
sick sentinel
hahahahh
modern brook
My group was DH Rouge lock monk war
sick sentinel
i guess necrotic is a non issue in shrine?
sand egret
what's the new range on Gbolt?
dense flame
Necrotic in shrine isn’t bad at all.
modern brook
froma feely persepective I think its about 20yds
sick sentinel
Also, totally out of the blue, how do you drop stacks on champions mythic?
ive noticed tanks prefer not swapping
honest frigate
you can definitely feel the difference though for sure
sick sentinel
i havent tanked it yet
sand egret
nice, seems like a good move
steel mauve
Spell reflect right after the big mythic cast
sand egret
them having a max ratio was annoying AF at like a 40 yard cast
modern brook
@sick sentinel Necrotic in shrine can be an issue if u chain pull with blobs / initiates, but generally it wont be. To drop stacks in M Champs you just SR after Prayer
steel mauve
Its like a 7 secone cast, just spell reflect right as it ends or right before and youll skip a stack and itll fall off
steel mauve
Pretty much lines up every time
modern brook
so that you dont add stacks during the add phase
but its such a small optimization that its not worth it compared to the consistency of doing first after
steel mauve
Ive just always done the end to make sure but i havent had problems so far with it, the only thing i continually have issues with is my dumbass cant be bothered to remember to turn during some disorient casts
modern brook
if that boss was in any way a real raid fight; it would actually matter though :/
sick sentinel
Thanks guys!
steel mauve
My dh hates me because i keep getting him killed
modern brook
The concept of "facing the add" in that fight is so fucked tbh
honest frigate
also deswind gave me a great tip that's helped me on reaping risen souls
modern brook
kill them?
honest frigate
shockwave into spell reflect to reflect all dispellable casts
modern brook
oh yeah
modern brook
SR in general is such an underrated ability from non-prots
undone sun
not really..
daring marlin
Our MAGIC damage mitigation is underrated by people that only play prot.
undone sun
almost everyone i talk to that's talking about warr states SR is busted
modern brook
🤷
oblique garnet
Pretty much
sand egret
well most have joined the fray in 8.1, so they're seeing it from the other side 😃
tbh, totally an ability I could see "changed" to be more reliable on more casts but not scale as ridiculously
oblique garnet
Imagine if spellreflected damage was shown on details
undone sun
unlimited reflects
honest frigate
but im new to prot
sand egret
trait made it refleact ALL spells
undone sun
higher DR
sand egret
in the window
honest frigate
very cool
sand egret
it was really boss
undone sun
reflective plating was early legion, you got that as you leveled your weapon early in the expac
oblique garnet
Imagine that for anything
sand egret
reaping waves
wheat bronze
#neverforget
sand egret
just like....lul
oblique garnet
”Oh look at that shadow smashes no dot
wheat bronze
Bring back the legs, too
oblique garnet
Big blasts
wheat bronze
Two charges
old zephyr
dudes don't kick the boss, i'll just reflect kill it in the 10sec window 😃
wheat bronze
Yeah, it was great. Did so much damage.
daring marlin
rip missiles
old zephyr
that was lul
wheat bronze
I just wish it was logged better so it counted as the warrior's damage
old zephyr
but you needed the 2 HDH for that
wheat bronze
but at the same time, if people knew how broken it was, they'd fix it
daring marlin
reflecting lord stormsong for 150k feelsgoodman
sand egret
the fact that SR still is what it is is partly because outside of those who look into it, it's largely unnoticed imho.
oblique garnet
I mean reflecting 500k + bloodbolts on first boss ur is completely fine
sand kettle
What is better there? reflect onto boss?
wheat bronze
or the mind control boss in Shrine
sand kettle
I like to reflect on the add to deal with it fast
oblique garnet
If boss is up alone on boss
wheat bronze
That does a decent chunk on higher keys
old zephyr
reflect onto add
oblique garnet
If add is up on add
modern brook
BLood bolts do 500k?
sand egret
you can basically gib the add
sand kettle
ok that's what I've been doing
modern brook
oh on the add
modern brook
😮
oblique garnet
18*
modern brook
this class rocks man
wheat bronze
Does reflect take into account your damage modifiers?
old zephyr
fortif?
modern brook
no
undone sun
no
wheat bronze
That's why I was asking about demo shout
modern brook
demo +BV is a 15% damage taken debuff
not a 15% damage dealt buff
ie: its not your modifier
its theirs
modern brook
Right but if u reflect blood bolt
modern brook
that blood bolt still isnt yours
wheat bronze
so it shouldn't be affected by BV
wraith kestrel
dont the add cast on random targets? how do you reflect on the add consistently?
wheat bronze
They follow aggro
ionic fern
Jep,just gotta grab aggro of it asap
sick sentinel
I reflect on add everytime
the ranged interrupts first cast
then I taunt
and reflect second
oblique garnet
The first add cast will usually be on healer which is why it has to be interrupted
sick sentinel
and it dies
ebon hound
Anyone here play Beartank?
sand egret
!!!
ebon hound
Do you know if stacking the S tier traits is really good or would you rather have 1 of each good trait?
undone sun
hmmm
ebon hound
they only want to discuss artifact apearances there
oblique garnet
For raid or m+?
ebon hound
I guess m+, but kinda both
sand egret
TC is godly
undone sun
you're the last one to ask about appearances...
why not just ask that question there
...
ebon hound
I tried
sand egret
LM is like Prot's DC
oblique garnet
@ebon hound check out lipkiss on raiderio
ebon hound
Will do
sand egret
(TC stacking is very good)
ebon hound
oh that is interesting
undone sun
general build is 3 TC, 1 LM, 2 WF
knotty wagon
Ilvl wise, is it worth maintaining good traits over ilvl?
analog swift
Doing a 16 ML tonight. Have any of y’all tried the hearth out at third boss strat?
Doing double death run ofc
steel mauve
Slightly for dc up to about 15 ilvls, after that just take ilvl, armor str and stam are too good on main pieces
knotty wagon
I mean its just a couple of pieces, when i went full 415 azerite on my bdk i didnt even notice a difference
oblique garnet
@analog swift did it once and decided its not worth it
You get more healing out of last stand having shorter cd
oblique garnet
Try to spend as much rage as possible to get shoter cd on last stand
analog swift
Also question for the squad. I got the standard traits right now. BS/IF 3x bom and tc. Is there any other set worth building? I have like 4K residuum just floating around. Maybe a single target lol build for heroic? Or maybe a second set for magic damage for hearth swaps or some shit?
oblique garnet
Im currently using 3x DC 3x BoM
steel mauve
@knotty wagon bdk doesnt equal prot war, we are 2 extremely different classes
analog swift
Yeah I have that as a possibility on my gear.
rapid tide
3xDC 3xBoM for M+ big pulls and dps is nice.
I also like sometimes just going 3x Bloodsport for the luls
steel mauve
Pretty much as different of classes as you can even get
analog swift
Ran that at first with lols but the damage from if honestly was pretty close to a tc
rapid tide
Blood Rite can be nice when you can chain pulls in some weeks.
analog swift
Right right
knotty wagon
@steel mauve i get that, its just bdk is super glasscannon, and i didnt notice sny survivability increase from going to 3x 415s. How big of a difference are we talkin?
steel mauve
Armor is our biggest survival stat, we are brick walls when it comes to physical damage, so gaining even more of that just beefs us up, the stam is really nice too but our reduction to physical damage is really strong atm
knotty wagon
So make sure i have one deafening, and focus ilvl on rest?
rapid tide
Basically.
sand egret
Kinda, but don't really sacrifice too much for that DC
rapid tide
Ye, DC should be like 15 ilvl max, too...
If you only have 385 DC then probably just go without.
Although it's really hard to... not have a 400+ piece with DC somehow.
Basically every shoulder either has DC or BoM.
sand egret
like when upgrading I hold off on my 400 piece with DC until last, unless I got an RNG'd 415 with DC (I did).
rapid tide
Basically.
knotty wagon
I have tongear from scratch, im planning ny residuum etc
sand egret
tbh there are very few upgrades out there (ilvl wise) that you'll probably be like "shit this is awful"
daring marlin
how does one plan residuum
sand egret
there's usually a good trait in there
daring marlin
🤔
knotty wagon
Ill likely just get 3x 400, first then rsndom 3x 415
sand egret
that's what I am doing on my monk
daring marlin
derp
knotty wagon
385 stuff, pvp should cover it, got lots of conquest
steel mauve
Imo if you have less than 385 or a non 5 ring piece just get a 400, instead of saving for the 415, of you have 385/5 ring piece may as well save for 415
sand egret
eh
knotty wagon
I am level 81
Im going to have nothing, i just pevel fast / used to play prot warrior a while back
daring marlin
yo timewalking is lol now
I swear I got 80% of my level from one
110-120
range
sand egret
if you plan on pugging a lot, i'd suggest springing for the 400s early
knotty wagon
My current plan, is to hit 120, get to 365-375 from tw, while doing conquest
oblique garnet
Yeah its wack guilford
knotty wagon
Then jump into m+ 8-10 keys u til geared
sick sentinel
guys
daring marlin
no unyun
sick sentinel
they fixed first boss of freehold
daring marlin
wat
knotty wagon
375 is plenty of gear for a +10
oblique garnet
You need to have a person baiting it
daring marlin
375 is plenty for a +10? tell it to pugs LOL
daring marlin
I hope you have friends that will take you friendo
oblique garnet
Your healer is failing the bait
sick sentinel
??
knotty wagon
Wife is healer, and yeah it wont be bad. Ive done keys early af
oblique garnet
The green shit drops to the person who is closest to the bird when its charging
knotty wagon
Its a matter of selecting the right key
knotty wagon
Its like Thursday
sand egret
to 120?
sick sentinel
oh '
sand egret
oh, when did you do early 10s as prot?
knotty wagon
I have tons of time before tuesday
sick sentinel
we did it on 19 twice yesterday
last loom
any ally eu lads here
sick sentinel
and we did it the same way
sand egret
mmhmmm
oblique garnet
Also alliance and eu lul
knotty wagon
@sand egret but yesh, i doubt warrior will be squishier thsn prot paladin or bdk.
last loom
btw i havent looked into warriors rotation or anything i got 99 logs on first and 2nd boss on my warrior when tanking but when it came to single target my parse was like 80%
sand egret
but it can prob be done. Just hope they don't let a raging waterbolt through haha
knotty wagon
I doubt it will be squishier. Also healer is 410, and dps arr kinda not bad, i think itll br about choosing the right dungeon key
sand egret
it's doable, esp if your healer is going to carry you
last loom
wife lul
knotty wagon
Im gonna downgrade her +14fh
fast kiln
which zanda racial to pick frands
knotty wagon
To +10
last loom
you have anime profile picture u mean waifu?
fast kiln
do we really need that superdefensive tank one
knotty wagon
No, i mean my literal wife
fast kiln
or did someone try out the shadow dmg + heal thing
knotty wagon
She respects my choice for waifu too. She also has waifu
sick sentinel
you have a nightelf do you think you are any better?
last loom
how much does she cost
oblique garnet
@fast kiln bwonsamdi does 2-3% of your overall st dmg
naive panther
Sounds like you are inflating it. It will depend. I get 1-2%
sand egret
the choice is marginal at best anyway
and reverseable, so just mess around
paku is like a 3rd 340 trinket
fast kiln
well 5 days
sand egret
bwom adds some extra dps
sick sentinel
I mean why are using anything but the healing loa
sand egret
not explosive week
oblique garnet
Because it doesnt proc from ip
sick sentinel
Who gives a fuck healing loa for life
sand egret
we all know the real MVP is the movespeed
sick sentinel
Live and die with healing loa
sand egret
4% indoors vs 5% all the time. LOLFACTIONBALANCE
lime mantle
Tips fiery blood
sick sentinel
But for real what's about best boi and beat loa Kragwa
fast kiln
you mean bwomsandi? @sick sentinel
lime mantle
You take bwomsandi because he has already killed someone important AND you have a debt to him.
sick sentinel
I mean sure if u have a weak neck go Bobsburgers
sand egret
he's memeing about Akunda @fast kiln
daring marlin
bwonsamdi
sick sentinel
Bobsburgers*
lime mantle
Bob’s salami
sand egret
but you should realistically choose between Bwom or Paku, imho
sand egret
? elaborate
fast kiln
Taking damage has a chance to grant you additional Health and 66 Armor.
fast kiln
nvm
i read it wrong anyway
i took the shadow dmg one on monk
just wanted to know if ppl tested the different ones a bit more than just 2 min ptr
sand egret
bwom or paku would be your picks
sick sentinel
Fuck paku
sand egret
as for between the two, is kinda just /shrug
sick sentinel
Bitch ass crit
sand egret
stay away from my crit
undone sun
wat
novel barn
wat
naive panther
What’s the ppm on paku?
oblique garnet
1
sand egret
from what i've seen ~1 that scales with haste
sand egret
had ~20% uptime on my bear in total during a key. so on par with many trinkets.
naive panther
So it’s kind of like .8% crit
undone sun
it's essentially a free low level block
naive panther
Sounds meh
sand egret
lol did you expect it to be like a 20% dps increase?
narrow abyss
@oblique garnet can u elaborate on the bait alittle more? I’ve done 17 with ranged out melee in but thinking probably gonna have to reverse soon if we get FH that’s higher
When we tried last night it was like the photo. Green everywhere near gate 😂
oblique garnet
@narrow abyss well basically you all go outside except the healer who stays inside and moves in accordingly to be the closest to the bird
That way all the greenshit will go to the healer
sick sentinel
hi all im going to be leveling a zandalari whats the best loa for prot and in general leveling?
oblique garnet
Also the healer and the ranged should be at max range to avoid the powder shot
fast kiln
tadaa
naive panther
I’m saying 2% damage increase is a lot stronger than .8% more crit. Paku could be better in aoe if it lines up. But yeah there’s the other benefits of crit to think about. I would just expect an on proc to be balanced better than a flat crit increase other races get
modern brook
Krag is over valued
naive panther
I need more info on kragwa. Need someone’s logs. I was hoping it would be the go to. Like I could see it being baller for a dh who takes traits like crystalline and gemhide but obviously can’t be that race. But for prot I don’t see it having a similar impact
I don’t think I used regenerating once in raid yet lol
sturdy trench
paku is a lot stronger than u might think
weary nacelle
how come?
sturdy trench
remember crit = parry
sick sentinel
I’ve read and heard different things regarding secondary stats. Is there a certain amount of haste you want to stop at or should prot wars be stacking as much haste as possible?
sand egret
no caps
you stack ilvl, and if equal, prefer haste. Overall, our secondaries are very close (with haste eeking out on top)
not sure where you read what, but the icy-veins guide is #ProtApproved here. It goes into secondaries
sick sentinel
Thank you
How good is leech? I have a i410 ring from ML with no leech and same i400 ring with 78 leech..would Stam and extra stats stump that leech?
sand egret
extra stats
oblique garnet
Iirc femclap has kragwa
naive panther
There is dr on crit parry to consider also. But it’s probably better survivalwise than the tiny heal from bob
undone sun
leech isnt worth 5 ilevels
naive panther
Diminishing returns to be clear
oblique garnet
^what thyme said
oblique garnet
stream on boi
primal crypt
Just gonna clip it XD
oblique garnet
smh
steel mauve
@sick sentinel dont ever drop ilvl for tertieries, they arent worth the loss of secondaries
oblique garnet
If you streamed it i could walk him through it like where its most likely fail etc etc
primal crypt
yup
narrow abyss
Dps Dh is dead to me. Ever since I showed I could tank keys and raid that’s all I’ve been asked to do 😑
undone sun
sounds normal for tanks
narrow abyss
Yea so I need a new third 😂
exotic spoke
Same thing will happen but healing this time imo
sand egret
I was totally going to make a Pally joke...but you already did that for me @primal crypt
exotic spoke
I just started a DI monk. I barely play alts. But some guildees are Leveling up KTs so figured fuck it why not
lime mantle
I wish people would ask me to tank everyone just tells me “we already have a tank”
exotic spoke
Ouch 😦
My prediction for the monk - I get to 80-90 range before I realize / remember how much I hate leveling
primal crypt
@sand egret kek
narrow abyss
I boosted a monk logged in remembered they’re energy resource logged out 😑
Rip money
exotic spoke
Until legion I never had a second char at max level. Only got them because I had boosts to 100 too lol.
lime mantle
I have long welcomed death.
I also understand you, I have a level 100 or 110 monk but the I remember I fucking hate roll.
exotic spoke
Oh, I mean in general. It gives me flashbacks of vanilla leveling as a warrior and the bugs we had
But, even after I maxed out a Druid I never played it really
Have a human dk (from bfa boost), nelf Druid (legion boost I leveled from 100-110), and a goblin warrior (100 to 110)
I haven’t leveled a char from low level to max other than my main
exotic spoke
I just feel there’s usually something I can do on my main. And if not - I have other games to play
rose moat
Hey guys and other species,
I was wondering if anyone would have the time for some questions, im rerolling for brew monk to prot warr for higher m+ and mythic raiding. And i tested the specc out past weeks to see were to improve and such and i was hoping if anyone had the time to anwser my stupid questions ✌🏻
exotic spoke
Sure, I can try. And I’m sure other people will chime in as well - the usually do
sand egret
yeah, just start firing away. The more specific you are, the more likely you're going to get a more useful answer. "How can I git gud as Prot?" usually gets you hit with 
(which, btw, you really should check out)
there's probably a fair share of your questions that will be answered. The guides linked in the pins (and the #268491842637660160 ) are written by the mods here and will answer a lot of initial questions
talents, traits, stats, rotations, etc.
naive panther
Bfa leveling is easy with legendaries. Spam islands.
heady ether
Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone could provide me some insight to mythic storm wall blockade (prot specific tricks etc), thank you.
naive panther
I have four chars over 410 ilvl
exotic spoke
Normal, Heroic, mythic what difficulty the question
heady ether
...
heady ether
I said mythic storm wall :/
little herald
What are you having the most trouble with? Or looking for info before going in?
exotic spoke
Seoinage, yeah it’s easier, but I have the mindset of I can do things to help my main if I play WoW and it gives me flashbacks to vanilla lol
heady ether
I'm just looking for some info, gonna start it tonight
primal crypt
@narrow abyss Bait clip https://clips.twitch.tv/SillyCrazyCrocodileKappa
narrow abyss
❤
primal crypt
Had no melee with me though sorry
naive panther
Well I ran dungeons Friday Saturday and Sunday on my war and got one 5 ilvl ring upgrade. Most of my efforts end up fruitless. I could grind ap but don’t care to beyond certain things right now
The alts don’t take much time either
narrow abyss
More just want to see how healer moves too
primal crypt
@narrow abyss that will be in the youtube vid
naive panther
One 10 a week right now and one mythic boss. At start I geared quickly to 405 with just a few 10+ keys on each. Really not bad at all. Easy to keep alts up right now I like it.
old zephyr
@primal crypt what is that supposed to show?
primal crypt
@narrow abyss we'll show both pov
heady ether
Rip getting insight
little herald
@heady ether It's very similer to Heroic and Mythic other then just overall bigger numbers, you wanna try and keep the Kelp wrapping up time on the ad at 100%
west kayak
Been trying since release to get a Prism from Opu. Been spending my coins every week on Heroic and nothing... Ran a Norm last night and against better judgement used a coin just to try and get one... got a TF 405! Very happy.
heady ether
Yeah for sure, I have t really looked into anything that I can spell reflect and what not
rose moat
Yea I checked the pins and such and everything is straight forward, like my brews became a shout and block and you pretty much clap slam clap slam.
The thing im currently struggeling on is the downtime i sometimes have between blocks, like everything is fine, getting 0 dmg feeling OP af, till that down time hits between blocks, i figured that is like the moment to get the fuck out and leap. But is there anyway to solve that down time? Am i doing something wrong?
2nd question: magic dmg, spell reflect is one way, but how do you solve the other high magic dmg, ignore pain or?
little herald
If you aren't on tanking the boss always look to help soak ires as well
primal crypt
@old zephyr just the bait spot
old zephyr
but baiting what?
heady ether
Can you spell reflect the ire?
primal crypt
You can run triple melee and just have healer bait the green dudu
old zephyr
and who's baiting
little herald
@heady ether No you cannot, but it will reduce the damage you take
heady ether
Ah that's good
narrow abyss
The healer
heady ether
I've heard storm wall is easier than mekkatorque
primal crypt
@old zephyr anyone can bait, range dps or healer
old zephyr
I still don't get what spell he is baiting
primal crypt
The green goop
little herald
Yeah it is, Mekka is a lot more damage overall, plus the communication
primal crypt
On the floor us what is being baited
west kayak
The puke most likely.
primal crypt
So it doesnt land on the melee
narrow abyss
The green stuff
heady ether
Ah that's good, tank wise how is the damage
old zephyr
on your clip the hunt is doing that right?
brisk ferry
@rose moat ideally you'd use 3x SB, then follow with Last Stand (which grants SB as long as you're specced into Bolster, which you should be) and yes IP for magic damage
primal crypt
They didnt run out
naive panther
Should war be on boss for blockade typically?
Don’t you usually have one tank assigned soaks?
little herald
Less then mekkatorque as long as you don't stand in stupid
naive panther
I’ve only spent 15 minutes on the fight
heady ether
Yeah I'm probably gonna tank storm wall the whole time while the BDK soaks
heady ether
I just wanted to know if ya could spell reflect ire incase I needed to help out
little herald
Warr should be on boss first in stormwall
Other tank handle soak especially if they are a DK or Pally
heady ether
Yeah alright
exotic spoke
@rose moat the answer by @brisk ferry is correct. You should be taking bolster. The rotation becomes 3x shield block and then last stand basically.
Spell reflect for magic damage when possible. Then between demo shout and IP you should be good on the unblockable damage from spells, dots, etc.
Be liberal with using offensive and defensive cooldowns. They end up being very short with anger management
old zephyr
and for the how it works : snot only goes inside the arena?
exotic spoke
@rose moat where you having issues in m+, raids, other dungeons, something specific?
fleet axle
Hi guys, how do you unstack necrotic on lord waycrest ?
oblique garnet
@old zephyr yes snot goes inside the arena if the healer is baiting it currently
correctly*
@fleet axle you cant you bite the bullet and pray
exotic spoke
You can have a dps taunt and kite potentially if it’s a major issue.
oblique garnet
oh yeah thats one way
old zephyr
50% party time?
dark junco
fleet axle
ok thks I thought I missed something
old zephyr
if you have some crit there is a chance that you reset by parrying 2 in a row
works on most bosses
little herald
Peronally Bastion, but never tried Shadow so could be good
sick sentinel
@fleet axle run with chad dps. But necrotic shouldn’t be hurting too bad until your stacks get very high
little herald
IF a Ret pally is with you he can Bop the stacks off I beleive
rose moat
Basically m+ cause that is the content im playing atm, like im used to DK and DK is the king of face tanking. And basically im trying the same as warr and face problems, like i said it looks like 0 dmg is coming in, and then all of the sudden the dmg hits my face and i panic. And magic hurts the most for me, cause im trying to find a way to mitigate it @exotic spoke
old zephyr
DK is not the king of facetanking
neon tangle
^^^
old zephyr
We are
what you have to do is get used to "when" that moment you take a lot of damage and panic happen
no need to pannic it's to late for you do do anything about it
rose moat
Well so basically im doing something wrong then 😂
old zephyr
just make sure next time it doesn't happen
try to get some cool WA to track the remaining uptime on defensive
and don't let things hit you in the back
exotic spoke
Like others said - were probably the best at face tanking (blockable damage). Between our armor, blocking, IP, and rotating demo shout out mitigation is stupid.
If you’re talking about this week necrotic hurt us and you’ll need to be ready to kite - shockwave and intervene / leap away if necessary.
A large part of tanking as a warrior is knowledge and prediction. We are a proactive class not a reactive. If you get hit for a fuck ton and then use your abilities well you fucked up
old zephyr
for magic : Demoshout, Spell reflect IP are good
exotic spoke
You have to know what to expect and use shield wall / other cooldowns proactively.
old zephyr
and obviously Kicks
exotic spoke
Make sure no mobs are behind you - it hurts us more than other classes.
narrow abyss
Practice maintaining really high shield block uptime with shield block x3 then bolstered last stand to cover gaps for charges to recover
old zephyr
as a warrior you are either good or dead, never in trouble
and if you were to get in trouble, no CD will save you
narrow abyss
That’s like half of decent prot tanking
Know the really shitty pulls and be liberal with shield wall
Oh shit DR mitigation cooldowns don’t work well when you already lost the HP
The oh shit buttons don’t feel like oh shit hold for when you need it buttons when you get really efficient and gaining rage and dumping rage. Leverage anger management and get your cooldowns back faster
rose moat
Yea i have noticed the difference between 30 stacks necrotic on a warr and a DK, warr feels still so stable till that point when they shouldnt if you know what i mean.
Still trying to figure out like a good CD rotation with watchings povs, trying out some bigger pulls name it.
Basically i need to get a better feel for the class then with what to IP and when to SB and wich pulls are dangerous as a warr.
I basically never hold cd’s in m+ because there is no reason for holding them they its too late.
Basically the playstyle feels really smooth i just wonderend if i was doing something wrong in the way im tanking cause im all of the sudden getting the face hit.
Last question and prob retarded, is it worth shouting and instalty SB or do you wait a bit so you get more up time on your 2 mitigstions
exotic spoke
There’s a resource pinned with every major mechanic you can block or reflect.
exotic spoke
But yeah - getting to 30 stacks is no bueno imo
exotic spoke
SB uptime as high as possible - don’t save that shit
signal plover
(there's a few abilities that you should prioritize IP imo but they're few and far between)
oblique garnet
@rose moat Dont pool rage spend it
rose moat
I know that 😜 was kinda clear in the guides, to not be a retard, dps is not my first prio
oblique garnet
even if it caps ip it doesnt matter as long as you have sb up
old zephyr
use it as a rage dump while trying to generate as much rage as possible
oblique garnet
^
narrow abyss
Don’t think of SB and IP as mutually exclusive
rose moat
Well thanks for all the info guys! You surely to be seeing me alot more haha. Now my brain hurts and I need to think of how to dump all that rage
🙌🏻
old zephyr
there SB, it's important
oblique garnet
@rose moat if you want a pov perspective from a m+ yesterday you can see what type of pulls etc you can easily pull off as prot even in pugs i can pm you vod of mine
old zephyr
and there is IP, which is for when you have resources to spend or REALLY NEED to not die right now
olive merlin
@oblique garnet I'd like to see that
rose moat
@oblique garnet yea send me through discord so i can check it out!
remote tusk
Hey guys, your opinions on which I should use? I'm thinking the 400 one because it's got Leech and higher Mastery (I'd have 8% leech)
undone sun
leech isn't worth ilevel
ivory light
for M+, im assuming 370 DC/Callous Repris > 400 IF/BfI
primal crypt
Do you not have another dc?
oblique garnet
No its not
oblique garnet
if even that
ivory light
Mmmk, then Icyveins should be updated lol, pins say its up to date.
primal crypt
Now, how many traits can you unlock on that 400 lol
primal crypt
I'd run the 400 until you can get a dc piece
Can craft even a 385 helmet with engineering
That has dc
ivory light
ye tryin to get DC, ran couple 12's last night an was rough without DC lol
sand egret
tbh, the extra 6 seconds ain't gonna make our break you
ivory light
at such low ilvl need the uptime of it
sand egret
but i guess it'll help if you're really skinnin by
primal crypt
It'll help if he's doing decent sized pulls, but this week you'll end up kiting anyway
With necro
So meh
sand egret
yeah, but is he doing decent sized pulls while already skinnin' by?>
primal crypt
Skinnin
Bye
I was testing earlier the necro
Plus additional dmg in freehold
Pushing to the max
Still rough
narrow abyss
Party
primal crypt
45 stack champion
umbral quail
Anyone know if dark iron racial removes necrotic?
undone sun
it does
primal crypt
@sick sentinel what happen?
sick sentinel
Atal on tyrn is wha happan
primal crypt
Pally hit 99 three times
Temple with pugs.
Yikes.
Im no good lol
Im just skinnin by
Got my 2k and now I dont need anything more lul
next basin
is devastate ok taking if i dont want to spam devastate/
next basin
oh
sand egret
but you’d be missing out in many scenarios by taking it
next basin
my warrior iisnt max level yet, so warriors dont use devastate too much/
sand egret
BV is just better
well, you’re pretty cramped during your avatar window so you’ll rarely cast it then. outside of that you’ll hit it but remember as you gear you’ll also have shorter cds thanks to haste
next basin
will i be hampering myself a lot if i take bv and not use devastate anyway/
fast nacelle
is there a new list for trinkets?
wary gyro
If you dont have am yet while leveling I would say devastator is fine but at max level I wouldnt take it
fast nacelle
is there a new list for trinkets? Oppulence trinket doesn´t work
wary gyro
What?
old night
gahhhhhhhhhhhh
primal crypt
@oblique garnet carry me through 20s
old night
idk if I should wasp from dark iron to thicc boi
steel mauve
@next basin its not about not taking advantage of devestate being an ability or not, the only way you would hamper yourself if you took BV over devestate is just not using demo shout which is a big red flag, youll still find time to use devestate, idk about leveling but at least at max any ways
green helm
Best dps blessing for us ? bleed or bopbsalami?
primal crypt
Bobsalami imo
None of them will be top tier
But bob does dmg and heals a tiny bit
steel mauve
Either paku or bwonsamdi are the current top picks, but it wont actually effdct a huge amount
primal crypt
overall dmg
steel mauve
I dont find devestate all that bad, ots there when you have nothing to press and an open gcd, and its not a huge loss to not use it when you do have other stuff to press
sand egret
look DiD is 4% indoors
primal crypt
In any scenario
sand egret
gonk is 5% everywhere