rather be fasst than stronk
#protection
tight tree
sick sentinel
Whether it's right or wrong, having a unique equipped gem is super annoying
austere oar
Pick Gonk's racial, cant die if boss cant catch you
stoic pilot
Is Opulence trinket worth dropping like 10 ilvl for? I’ve got 410 vial / 415 alch stone and I tried Opulence out and after buff it seems pretty nice but not sure if it’s worth
Vial feels nice during avatar and the overall healing of opulence is great but it kinda feels like it wouldn’t help in clutch moments which is what you want with those trinkets
I like my alch stone because I health pot a lot
ionic fern
Opulence is pure defensive - unless you have issues surviving i wouldn't.
stoic pilot
This would be for m+
austere oar
Dont take opu for m+
ionic fern
You CAN take Opu for m+ but in general you don't need it when played properly.
austere oar
Its good for raiding and progress for an overall damage smoothing
stoic pilot
I think I’d use opulence for maybe bring to help pad the throw dmg
On grong (current prog boss)
ionic fern
It won't save you in a life or death situation but over the course of the dungeon it will pile up a lot of healing.
knotty wagon
Tanksing using defensive trinkets. Sim for dps.
stoic pilot
Yeah it’s just I wanted second opinions
austere oar
Depends on what you want
knotty wagon
Although i. Curious how prot traits work
knotty wagon
You dont need more survival, your kit is loaded enough just via optimal play
stoic pilot
Probably just use diamond during raid then
And then vial / alch for dmg
Thanks guys!
knotty wagon
What are you progressing on in rsid?
stoic pilot
Just a casual guild, we’re on grong atm
knotty wagon
Mythic?
stoic pilot
Yeah.
stoic pilot
Like I’m throw bitch for grong, so I figured opulence would help pad the damage taken on it from the actual throw
knotty wagon
Just go for full damage
austere oar
Conclave has some hard dmg periods
austere oar
Kimbul
stoic pilot
I’m alliance so I don’t think conclave would be too rough since I’ll be tanking kimbul
ionic fern
@stoic pilot chances are the shield gets eaten off by the last combo attack before the throw anyways.
stoic pilot
With dwarf racial
stoic pilot
That’s a good point @ionic fern
austere oar
Wont race change for a boss
knotty wagon
Its just through put
austere oar
And I'm on mekka now so prog is done on conclave
ionic fern
Welcome to fun life.
knotty wagon
<< socislly awkward, doesnt fit in, worse progress than yall. Good thing anecdotal evidence is useless anyways.
austere oar
Mekka most boring fight
stoic pilot
And just so I’m not confused on this, prot API was updated recently for sims correct?
So the sim dmg should be more accurate
ionic fern
Yes.
knotty wagon
My progress is bad my logs are nice tho :o
ionic fern
Prot now has both AoE & ST implemented in sims.
knotty wagon
85.4% average dps parse 🥊
stoic pilot
Last question lol, ST sim for prot assumes you have SB up during every slam?
ionic fern
Not for every slam
oblique garnet
yes
ionic fern
...
oblique garnet
well it assumes you have sb up whenever its actually possible to have it up
ionic fern
It's like this:
If SS is off CD and SB is not up, use SB and then SS , if both SB charges are out just use SS
stoic pilot
Yeah that’s what I meant oops
Just woke up so my brain can’t put my thoughts together coherently
True warrior
old zephyr
Assiming I want to meme during raid, is splitter good enough DPS to replace the stats?
ionic fern
Sim it.
old zephyr
should have done that, will do yeah..
ionic fern
Are both of them same ilvl btw? Lemme know how it turns out.
old zephyr
yeah both same Ilvl and no socket
beeing stuck on HM blocade at 409 Ilvl, I have decided I will meme the metter, and try do do more damage than the crap DDs
it is a 0,9% DPS gain to use splitter going from 12 434 to 12 546.
I'll not bother enchanting it and it'll go straight to the scrapper
ionic fern
:D:D
old zephyr
weekly cache of disapointment did bring a lot of it today
old zephyr
i had good things 3 times in a row though
my reroll go a nice ring though
415 hastCrit or Crithaste (forgot). wich is not that bad for a Rdruid
shut lark
Hey guys, is zandari warrior best tank racial for warrior?
shut lark
I have orc war, thinking to change racial to zandalari coz of lack of self healing.
ionic fern
Racials don't influence your performance as a tank in the grand scheme.
austere oar
racials have little to no impact (part from BE)
you won't be able to self heal with the Zandalari racial if you take any source of damage
austere oar
yeah I mean racials are for min/maxing
but taking Zandalari for the racial healing is not really optimization
willow scarab
Play a pretty race :3
ionic fern
^
signal plover
KT in the elite PvP recolor of the ABT mythic set is so sexy
Well worth losing fireblood
eager hedge
Pog
austere oar
not full set yet but still _
naive panther
Still no shoulder or helm for the mog
Got my first chest two and that’s with two plate classes coining first boss at least every week.
willow scarab
I'm at 5/9, all i need is boots and shoulders to at least mog and look like i have 9/9
Being this far in and still no shoulders or boots is pretty frustrating not gonna lie
coin grong and conclave every week
narrow abyss
I want the settttt
ionic fern
Can someone do a 5m Patchwerk stat weights sim and link it to me in DM's?
naive panther
Looking at logs bwom racial is close to@2% of my damage on st.
ionic fern
Yes, that sounds correct.
naive panther
Pretty meh worthy for aoe
It’s enough damage I won’t take the run speed but curious if there’s a better option
ionic fern
Those racials are not yet implemented in simc so it will take some time & testing before we can give some definitive answers. But from the looks of it Bwonsamdi is a solid option for ST. If anyone has Kimbul and could link some logs with it would also be appreciated.
steel bronze
Hey guys, are there any special tricks as a prot warrior on how to deal with necrotic?
faint horizon
Be Dark Iron Dwarf.
pastel lodge
Is it worth stacking Overwhelming Power?
oblique garnet
No
ionic fern
Go in -> Do as much DPS as possible -> when getting too many stacks stun/ask for slows -> kite away.
The general as it is with any tank except for Paladins who can reset/immune.
oblique garnet
Get a boomkin
steel bronze
what are ''too many stacks'' as a prot warrior? also thanks for the advice
ionic fern
Depends on the situation & damage intake ..sometimes you start kiting at around 20-30 stacks..other times 50+
If i had to give a number i'd say between 20-30 is a good time.
fallow terrace
Luckily it's a tyran week, trash on mid keys should be dead by the time you hit super high unless you're double pulling every pack
My warriors low ilvl so I'm only gonna be in 10-12 unless I get some gear quick this week. That's my experience anyway on tyran weeks with necro in the past
oblique garnet
There are some bosses where necro gets extra spicy
fallow terrace
Does block stop neco stack from that attack
New warrior haven't played necro on it before yesterday and didn't pay attention
fallow terrace
Ah I was just thinking how op it could be 😁
unborn island
and dwarf racial 😃
fallow terrace
I'm horde. Only play as gross ally for 3 bosses and I use noggenfogger for those hahaha
austere oar
Worst part of being a zandalari is the fat human skin I'm gonna get for 3 bosses
jovial haven
you won't turn into kul tiran
ionic fern
Pretty sure you will..atleast checked from logs it seemed you will.
narrow abyss
Think this was mentioned last time
But with necrotic the prism is pretty much eh right
jovial haven
the other allied races didn't work that way, would be odd to implement that on the zandalari and kul tirans
austere oar
Well mag har went DI no ?
old zephyr
LfD turn to regular taurens.
Velf turn to regular belf
What are the spicyest tyra necro bosses ?
Harlan, galv ?
ionic fern
@jovial haven Zandalari turn into Kul Tirans.
Check this log.
He has Brush it off on Rasta but if you check fights where he's horde he has Embrace of Paku
old zephyr
... I want to be part canadian mooo as well..
modern brook
I'm having a crisis guys
jovial haven
that's gonna cause so many people to rage, because other allied races didn't do that LMAO
modern brook
I'ma true blooded greenskin but zandalari look cool :^(
autumn cosmos
does this shrine shit work in dungeons
fallow terrace
Resist the urge to be trash troll
autumn cosmos
2late
olive merlin
I'm a thicc Tauren too
fallow terrace
I wanna be but they take up too much screen. And torrent too strong for m+
Out weighs stomp for the classes I usually run with
astral crystal
i got feels during the baine/jaina cinematic
truly tauren is the most honorabiru race
oblique garnet
@astral crystal but the bobsalami racial tho
sick sentinel
Who gives a fuck about Bobsburgers racial, it's all about that healing loa
astral crystal
hey man tauren gives you 2k extra health :^))))
astral crystal
tauren just lookin too juicy
oblique garnet
No
sick sentinel
But can that racial tell u why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch
oblique garnet
Its the cinnamon
astral crystal
it's definitely the crunch
oblique garnet
Imagine not eating spoonfulls of cinnamon raw everyday
misty osprey
What about dark iron dwarf? Any list of things they should be popping their racial on from a tanking perspective?
oblique garnet
Necrotic
astral crystal
whenever you have debuffs and you want to let the chode fly
sick sentinel
It's really good on the conclave fight
oblique garnet
It is
hollow thorn
physical bleed
tropic cove
its physical, but dwarf racial still removes
lime mantle
Indeed! Now I feel tempted to become DID, another dps skill...
But diplomacy is so OP
naive panther
Im zandalari and I turned Kyle tiran confirmed
misty osprey
Yeah diplomacy is nice, my most played is a human mage that's been around since early BC. I always start with him because of diplomacy
signal plover
@misty osprey DID racial clears grong's bleeds as well
modern brook
Dude every fucking NEcro week the dwarves start cjing over how good DID is
then the week ends and we dont hear from them ever again
because if ur not NE on alliance ur a mistake
:fact:
ionic fern
No, not really.
Still works wonders in KR.,
Every Necrotic week people just come and ask "how do i deal with necrotic"..and since Dwarf racials are the one thing that ease it..it comes in as a topic a lot more often.
lime mantle
I already have a night elf and I don’t want to play a male nelf that isn’t DH or Druid.
Muh lore.
ionic fern
Play w/e race you want - it's up to you.
lime mantle
Indeed, remember as dwarf nobody will see your manly abs because of the beard.
misty osprey
This is my first dwarf so I'm clueless lol
ionic fern
You can also remove Reaping stacks with dwarf racial - so make use of that when your healer has dispell on CD.
misty osprey
Why is NE better? I mostly made a da k iron because I love the look of the magma beards
lime mantle
That’s my real main gripe with race changing, how am I supposed to look like a screaming barbarian if my chest is covered by a beard huh!?
Shadowmeld memes
ionic fern
NE is there for mostly Shadowmeld yes.
ionic fern
Yep, it can be used to drop Necrotic stacks as well.
But it also drops aggro so be careful.
lime mantle
I’ve played horde since vanilla up to lelgion okay?!
You can use it between pulls to not have to wait necro out or something like that
Or use it and quickly chain slam\wave
I have it on my DH so Id just pop sigil with 4 orbs>meld>bomb
old zephyr
nerco drop as soon as you get out of combat though
undone sun
Hmmm
ionic fern
If you're talking about Bwonsamdi then it's ~2% ST and tiny heals.
open field
Guys what do I take Ablative shielding or Heed my Call or personal preference?
ionic fern
Do you want a slight DPS increase or a slight defensive increase?
autumn cosmos
Bwonsamdi, Krag'wa
ionic fern
🤷
open field
DPS i guess
ionic fern
Okay, Ablative gives you armor - warrior is already really strong vs Physical.
Optimal play is what keeps you alive.
crisp pecan
unstable flames or heed my call for m+?
sick sentinel
Zandalari for prot worth taking?
wide owl
which loa passive?
brisk ferry
stealing this from Peak, but it applies the same to prot warrior
Zandalari Trolls and BrM: With Zandalari now available, we're bound to get a lot of questions in the Brewmaster channels about the Loa buffs. Put simply, use the buff you want. None of the buffs will make a significant impact on your survival as a tank, though Kimbul's and Bwonsamdi's buffs could prove to be a minor DPS increase over other racials. Further, Stagger ticks will break Regeneratin'.
minus the stagger statement obviously
undone sun
Half I agree with half I don't, kimbul isn't really as strong
willow scarab
Heed my call for m+ for sure
wide owl
i guess bwonsamdi for the healing
undone sun
Bob's is one of the better ones, kimbuls is not
ionic fern
^
supple glacier
Is better the weapon 410 of WM or 400 of AD??
west kayak
The WM weapon has no secondaries though.
west kayak
20dps more on weapon vs stats doesnt seem better to me, but I have been wrong before.
supple glacier
Is only 60 haste
weary thorn
what are the quotes for? LIke when a guy in a sitcom unironically uses air quotes wrong?
brisk ferry
sick sentinel
is Treacherous Covenant worth ?
supple glacier
I will sim
brisk ferry
I love Treacherous but I don't push anything crazy
undone sun
TC isn't bad, as most generics it just depends on what it's competing with
dense flame
Can use EarthLink if you don’t want the extra fun
sick sentinel
TC is terrible for survivability tho.
undone sun
I mean....
undone sun
Not really
sick sentinel
As if it’s not blatantly apparent.
brisk ferry
LOL nice Bladesong
sick sentinel
If you ever dip low and get hit by a semi big ability it’ll likely kill you
undone sun
If you're taking any amount of damage while below 20%, you're doing something wrong
sick sentinel
Or healers are
brisk ferry
I mean it'll likely kill you anyways? Regardless of the additional 15% lol
undone sun
It doesnt affect hits that bring you past 20% only hits while under 20%
sand egret
it's not bad WoTN
sick sentinel
Then in that case TC it up
sand egret
not sure why I capitalized the THE in that one but FUCK YEAH ARTICLES
weary thorn
even with WotN, TC is not likely the reason why you'd die below 20%. You die below 20%....because you're below 20% and getting clapped
thats a death sentence the higher you go on keys, with or without TC
narrow abyss
I think for me it’s the fact I need above 50% to even benefit in addition to the danger of falling below 20%
But I’ve never tried it. Maybe I’m above 50% way more than I realize
Or rather below 50% way less than I think
naive panther
Just look at lpgs and then resources tab to@see your hp
narrow abyss
I don’t log m+. Maybe I should start
sick sentinel
both fine
naive panther
I dropped below 25% twice last night in raid. But didn’t take more damage either time
little ravine
azerite question, would I be right with going for the 400, tossing up the 2 outer rings?
400 with DC + BFI or 385 with BoM + DC (currently wearing this), got 3x BoM so Im assuming the 400 would be nicer (would mean 2x BoM 2xDC and BFI)
astral crystal
all this talk of low % makes me wish there was another velhari style fight
just go 400 unless youre losing tc for it
you only need 1
little ravine
with the 400 i'd have 2xDC but i guess the extra TC dmg would be nice (i meanly play M+)
gilded viper
Which enchant do u guys go on weapon?`
little ravine
haste haste haste
undone sun
quick nav
unborn island
So I just discovered last night that I can leap out of Vol'Kal s room in AD to the side, and get in via the same side without aggroing the disgusting pack
Why is this not documented everywhere?
teal kelp
Good m+ teams use warlock gateways there all the time
I don’t think you’re finding new territory
teal kelp
Yes
shy willow
You can also jump in and then have anyone deathpull the pack or pull and vanish/invis/ff
teal kelp
But also loose cannon, unless you have 5 warriors or a warlock, doing that skip isn’t great
shy willow
Fd** soooooo yeah nothing new here
teal kelp
Only if you shroud passed them
teal kelp
I’m saying getting out
shy willow
Yes
unborn island
Everyone jumped in, which I didn't even know was possible
Just hadn't even heard about it before
narrow abyss
Yeah I just found that too recently
unborn island
Maybe common knowledge, but not seen it documented anywhere
shy willow
If you have a monk you can also just cc and rop
unborn island
We had a bad combo for skipping, jumping out also me and I could deathskip the adds away without risking the other ppl in group minging too near the casters and it failing
shy willow
There's probably a lot that isnt 'documented' here ;)
narrow abyss
I find new shit out every day
shy willow
I mean leaping out to death skip is a complete waste of time lol
narrow abyss
Or new best practices
unborn island
The deathskip failed in another yday because people went too close to the casters, would be thought los it away makes it less likely
(I only pug, appreciate a non issue with organised group/non tards)
exotic spoke
On a side note - has anyone been targeted by quaking while using skagyldrynk
shy willow
yes
exotic spoke
Interesting. From last week it looked like while we were using skagyldrynk no one was ever targeted by quaking - even when it was supposed to go off
astral crystal
iirc you dont get quaking while invis
fallow terrace
You can get it during shroud unless something changed
But it doesn't agro or knock you our
Out
jagged bay
hi
oblique garnet
if you use bfa invis pots you can trigger reaping however if you use legion one it wont
also if you clip people while shroud is active it will also break shroud
jovial steppe
http://prntscr.com/mxecrv which one should i use?
oblique garnet
405
jovial steppe
thanks.
exotic spoke
Late, so skagyldrynk will not Aggro reaping mobs but the bfa one will?
exotic spoke
Then I’m confused - what do you mean by trigger reaping
exotic spoke
Ah! Ok. So skagyldrynk won’t have it happen but the bfa one will
oblique garnet
yes
crisp pecan
guys
this shitty robot from engi helm trait
that gives you shield
just wiped my tos party
it breaks stealth
old zephyr
how is the bot spawning if you are stealthy?
west kayak
Pulls mobs too if you aren't careful. I use the Auto-Cauterize for the heal, that can crit, and bleed removal.
old zephyr
can you do it in Normal dungeons?
exotic spoke
Yes, if you need dungeon drops.
Alchemy needs 4 dungeon drops IiRC.
Blacksmithing needs 2 - shrine and ML - second boss each. And then thirty drops from the elite Azerite elementals
That aren’t guaranteed drops
exotic spoke
I was doing the ones in silithus that there are two of
The four “rare” ones in silithus don’t seem to drop them
oblique garnet
what do you even get from those
exotic spoke
Blacksmithing is a free repair of (I believe) one item every hour and the chance that when you make gear it gets the property “indestructible”
oblique garnet
one item
astral crystal
alchemy gives you a stone that can transfomr into a bunch of items, most useful is the infinite potion
exotic spoke
Not sure if it’s one item or not.
oblique garnet
it is
astral crystal
also lets you loot cauldrons out in the world and get potions from them
exotic spoke
Enchanting gets you more items per disenchant. Tailoring gets you more cloth per
astral crystal
buddy of mine got mystical cauldrons from those outdoor cauldrons so rng can favor you
exotic spoke
Blacksmithing gets hosed imo
inland mesa
Yeah it's pretty lame
If it was all items every half hour to save money then we'd be talking
sand egret
the only one item thing is weird
exotic spoke
Alchemy seems the best. Two guild mates had finished theirs before I even got ten of the item I needed
valid portal
Hey guys just confirming but this ousr BiS M+ and raids right?
inland mesa
Too tiny to read, but icy veins has bis list
valid portal
oh my bad lemme resize
lusty grotto
Windows key + shift + s
oblique garnet
eh
lusty grotto
Paste here
oblique garnet
prety good for m+
sand egret
it's good
lusty grotto
But yes icy veins has the list
valid portal
this one
sand egret
but I feel the needs for raids are different than M+ enough that the term "BiS" is a bit liberal
lusty grotto
Yup
valid portal
I know they are different but checking the overall traits this one seems about good
exotic spoke
Yes, they are pretty good.
sand egret
traits aren't bad, if that's what you wanted to know
lusty grotto
He did say m+ though
valid portal
For raids I have been stacking 3 RF (futy trait) and doing fair ammount of damage but this one is much more defensive
sick sentinel
For general use it's passable
lusty grotto
Uhhh only stack rf for cheese parses
exotic spoke
Ideally, for m+ I’d find a piece with IF instead of BfI
sand egret
but chefs don't read good 😃
lusty grotto
Don't stack rf for progression
valid portal
@lusty grotto yeah I use to do our Farm on Mythic (kinda useless being defensive there as 420 ilvl overgeared)
lusty grotto
And only ONLY for st
inland mesa
The hardcore lag on rastakhan last night made it feel like progression
lusty grotto
You're better off with BoM for aoe
valid portal
yeah I'm trying to stack 3 BoM , 1 crash and 2 whatever for M+
oblique garnet
3x BoM 3x DC
lusty grotto
Opulence might be better with BoM for parses, maybe even conclave
old zephyr
BoM is amazing on opulenc
valid portal
inland mesa
Isnt 3 bom 3 DC a meme
lusty grotto
It's not really a meme, it's big damage
modern brook
prots a meme dude
sand egret
in respect that it's picking a trait for only offensive gains, yeah
modern brook
this entire channel is a meme
old zephyr
If you already have a DC, then Jadefire might be better for M+
MIGHT
if you don't, engi is 100% better
lusty grotto
What keybdid you get bull
valid portal
I mean full ofensive (no reason to be defensive at all lately as warrior) unless doing prog on Jaina...
old zephyr
Gizmo is awesome
modern brook
14 ML
lusty grotto
Got AD
modern brook
😮
lusty grotto
;)
modern brook
More like Afree
inland mesa
I thought someone tested it and logged and 2 IF did more than adding two more DC
modern brook
plus i need atal for score
lusty grotto
Push sunday
modern brook
I might burn the ML before then
lusty grotto
Early Sunday probs
modern brook
my RL REALLY wants to run it :/
lusty grotto
Yeah go ahead
exotic spoke
16 Kr - was going to do it last night but fuck the servers
modern brook
tried to pug a 13 KR
exotic spoke
Did one pull on opulence last night and we noped the fuck out
modern brook
its free until bosses
inland mesa
I need a KR my group for the life of me cant time it
modern brook
no shroud; cleared all the trash in ~5 mins
exotic spoke
You just gained 3 more minutes on it!
modern brook
then we killed key cause SOMEONE doesnt know how to not stand in gold
hint its a mage
inland mesa
Yeah raider io thinks our 45 second over run is now in time lol
exotic spoke
Nice that they retroactively did that
inland mesa
But in game achievement knows the lie
exotic spoke
Eh, feel bad for anyone trying to qualify for MDI to mess around on the test server and not getting it because of that
valid portal
Would you guys use Convenant for M+ tho? On jadefire helm? I mean for keys 15+
exotic spoke
I mean - they wouldn’t have gone far but just saying
modern brook
I wouldnt use TC ever
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t
modern brook
but thats perosnal
undone sun
depends on the key levels
modern brook
its a lot of STR
exotic spoke
What bullfango said
undone sun
TC can be good, it's not a bad trait
modern brook
But we're not BDK
valid portal
on raid it works pretty great
modern brook
we cant heal outselves up past 50% easily
sand egret
in M+ you're more likely to hit that "bad threshold" in higher keys imho
sand egret
in raids you got an army of healers who's job it is to make sure that doesn't happen. In M+, health is less binary
exotic spoke
I tend to go with the longer I can go without healing the longer my healer can dps
sand egret
only time i feel alive, bull
exotic spoke
But, I’m not pushing high high keys - only 16 / 17s right now
lusty grotto
i dont think we should run mondays
modern brook
tLdr: the benefit of lots of STR isnt outwieghed by its downsides in common practical scenarios for M+
sand egret
I had my buddy healing me (not very good) in a SoB last week and he straight up stepped on every banana in existence. He was stunned for like 10 seconds straight and boy was I living on the edge
lusty grotto
even more pissed at my brother lol
modern brook
Doubled down with the fact that Class options are so good; TC is a lot less appealing to warriors
IMO
@lusty grotto neither of our days last week were very good
Sunday's Hubris killed us, Monday it was lethargy
valid portal
sorry for the many questions also but for defensive - Gemhide or IV?
valid portal
that's interesting on my pally I gave priority to gemhide. nice to know
lusty grotto
Yeah bull I think we fucked up on trying to be too fancy on sunday
modern brook
agreed
sand egret
my rationale: added armor from gemhide vs us already swimming in armor. IV provides quite a noticeable amount of healing and functions well with the fact that we don't take much damage per-hit. We also (unlike a Pally) have no real way to heal mid-combat.
modern brook
I think we just need to like respect the key more
modern brook
:^)
lusty grotto
I'm probs gonna run my brother's key with med and try to get a different healer for ours because I think my brother has a serious out of practice issue. At least until he's done with his residency
That being said
modern brook
honestly a lot of deaths were to people not doing mechanics
lusty grotto
We tried running the ad with a pug monk who was 1300 io and he fucking sucked nuts
modern brook
I'm 1300 io and suck nuts so unsurprising tbh
lusty grotto
No joke me and dh alt + f4d
modern brook
1600 is where people stop sucking dong
lusty grotto
We were like, fuck this
sand egret
Nim, i wanna run a TD with you at some point. I avoided that place like the plague but mostly because I really didn't know how to pull it most effectively
lusty grotto
TD hmm
modern brook
What makes u think nim knows :^)
sand egret
i dunno
lusty grotto
That's one of the keys we scuffed Last Sunday rofl
sand egret
yeah I know you can basically abuse the shit outta em
but like getting up there, types of pulls you go double vs single etc.
i just never really run that place
lusty grotto
Hmm there are a lot of skips but they are extremely fancy
exotic spoke
Why did you avoid TD?
astral crystal
it's easy once you get out of the cell area
and cell area is great because free buffs
modern brook
because its a cancer ass dungeon
sand egret
it was one of the first "high" keys I ran early in BFA during a sanguine + quaking week and I got PTSD
exotic spoke
Oh nm I read it
lusty grotto
As in you will probably fuck them up np
exotic spoke
It’s blah on sanguine but otherwise I think it’s one of the easiest dungeons
late cedar
Sanguine quaking TD oof
sand egret
yeah, it's more just not being comfortable with a route
lusty grotto
That being said TD is very easy provided you don't fuck up
astral crystal
final boss was cancer before the nerfs
exotic spoke
Bring keys or a rogue and the path makes itself
lusty grotto
Like easy times with cannons
exotic spoke
Yeah
lusty grotto
It's cancer with pugs though cause the retards won't stop dpsing shit even though you tell them you're pulling mobs to cannons
sand egret
well you know who I run with...
late cedar
Or opening all the god damn gates when u don't need them
lusty grotto
It's the same shit that happens with orb room
oblique garnet
its easy with pugs too
lusty grotto
Or not opening the gates to skip that first bridge patrol
Which happened to chipadin last week... In 2 different runs
late cedar
I usually open gate and take first bridge patrol but I never like that pack
sand egret
also, where do you reap that place pre-cannons
oblique garnet
Before 2nd boss
sand egret
the 2nd reap is what gets me
lusty grotto
You do like 2 reaps with cannons
sand egret
i gotta think aboujt being smart
sand egret
cuz I got it DURING the boss
late cedar
Then u can around and los
sand egret
and was like...not the best idea
lusty grotto
Uhhh....
exotic spoke
And you can skip the last reapingtoo
lusty grotto
During boss?
sand egret
the little shits
lusty grotto
Wth haha
sand egret
from the gates
that or someone ticked that last % on a random yellow but yeah I got Bobby and the whole mothafuggin' crew
I just got to hit it more, methinks
lusty grotto
im still surprised people dont know they can interrupt bobby after dpsing him to get his stun
late cedar
Plan a route mdt
lusty grotto
i had to bop stunned people
late cedar
And plan in all the yellows so can't fudge it up
oblique garnet
its faster to bop than break the stun on tyrannicals
lusty grotto
ya but not if you don't have bop :p
primal crypt
🤔
lusty grotto
:)
sand egret
yeah, that's another thing I ran into a bunch when I did TD....nothing like sitting in that Bobby stun....
lusty grotto
fuckin boppin kids
oblique garnet
@shut summit have you updated your elvui yet?
lusty grotto
i did
but im nimchip not sense
goes back to cavechip
cavernchip?
hmm dunno what my hideout should be called
nimcave?
oblique garnet
gotta ninja senses elvui profile just incase :^ )
inland mesa
The chip cave
lusty grotto
yes yes i like that
carmine sparrow
Which loa you guys thinking is best?
wise mirage
are there sims for zandalari yet?
light warren
hi should i take second DC trait or meticulous scheming ?
valid portal
is the tank trait good enough? I remmber it was OP so prolly nerfed to the ground now right?
@light warren scheming imo
light warren
thanks
undone sun
no sims out yet
exotic spoke
So raids last night were very.... interesting to say the least
Due to lag / server issues several fights missed / skipped mechanics. For example - the necrotic combo on grong sometimes only did one ability, sometimes two, and occasionally didn’t throw
But also had messed up timers
fallow terrace
We called it last night after a few pulls. It was just too laggy
exotic spoke
We persevered - wanted to start fresh tomorrow on opulence and try to get our first kill
fallow terrace
Went and did m+ which seemed better imo
exotic spoke
But by god it was terrible at times. Had 6 + abilities queued up before one processed and I had to hit them again
late cedar
Jadefire with explosives up was annoying
supple plover
Jadefire for us was maze appears with no teleport. Then just despawns alomg with the orbs while the barrier is up and Niuzao is just running around
We stopped at Conclave since winds caused mad lag and curse dispels weren't going off in time
oblique garnet
Eu servers were working fine other than on the morning everything was delayed
late cedar
We got to Rasta but inevitable end was rippers
Hearing most things fixed by now tho hopefully smooth tonight
signal plover
Ya we stopped at conclave. Had rly weird timings on Opulence and saw some lag in P2 as well.
jovial haven
you can totally avoid booby's stun in TD, soon as he is released just burn him right outside his cell. Jes will cast his fear the entire time at the end of the hall but it will have no effect on the group because you're out of range of it. soon as bobby is done interupt jes and burn
mortal pike
Has anyone done the math on how good Zandalari is for us?
tepid dagger
waay too many people on Mal'ganis to compete with raiderio scores
mortal pike
with kragwa
ionic fern
@mortal pike no one has mathed it out yet - in general racials will not make or break anything since they are tuned to be a minimal presence in the grand scheme. How ever atm people are enjoying Bwonsamdi afaik.
mortal pike
Yea I know that they are minor I just dont want to int Jaina progress for better looks xd
modern brook
the current feelcraft is that Paku will probably be the best option
proc based healing tends to over heal
so bwom and Krag arent as good as they sound
the bleed damage is pretty whatever, bout 100k over the course of a dungeon from what I've seen so far
the crit one is on average a little bit worse than beinga blood elf
wise mirage
yy
outer dew
Initial 6, then after every drop is what I do
austere oar
Remember to kick pyroblast at the last second and to use spell reflect
Will gain you a lot of time
rigid stream
does bulwark of the masses stack
modern brook
SR does not reflect stacks until hes a bird
at which point expiring stacks on the boss will convert to raid damage
austere oar
It was fixed ?
modern brook
disclaimer: havent tried in 815
austere oar
Didnt do jadefire in some time tbh
exotic spoke
I was able to not take a stack
exotic spoke
Yes
modern brook
but the fireball doesnt apply a stack to the boss
Conversely, searing peck, cant be reflected
but the stack is
exotic spoke
Ahh. Ok. I missed that distinction
lusty grotto
Do we have a moment to talk about the story sirs?
exotic spoke
Sure?
modern brook
no
lusty grotto
How it's good how blizz covered all bases with the whole voljin thing
modern brook
spoilers 😠
exotic spoke
What voljin thing
lusty grotto
But what the fuck was with the goblin quest though
I was like uhhh what is this
Free robot parrot thing
🤷
Well there are 3 quest lines
1 is the continuation of the whole proudmoore thing with baine
2 is the voljin thing
3 free parrot robot quest thing
Which I have no idea what it was for
inland mesa
voljin thing o.O
wise mirage
ye
lusty grotto
Probably to promote interracial couples or something cause I'm pretty sure gnomette is with goblin
modern brook
?
wise mirage
the fireball
modern brook
Yeah
inland mesa
I did parrot and magni neck thing, and got to mission part of war campaign, but didn't see vol'jin, where do you pick that up?
modern brook
and it didnt burnout on the boss yeah?
wise mirage
nah
lusty grotto
oh yeah I forgot about the magni thing
inland mesa
where is vol'jin, is it off by the temple or something again that I didn't check?
lusty grotto
ehhh the voljin thing was just given to me after relogging
modern brook
isnt the voljin thing separate from the war campaign?
lusty grotto
baine gives the quest
modern brook
the same way magni is
NVM i dont actually care
thats some clapless content right there
lusty grotto
in the seal thing for horde
inland mesa
hmm
lusty grotto
because im pretty sure its not available for alliance
lusty grotto
uhh no
fresh valley
What do you get from the magni neck quest?
modern brook
@lusty grotto that looks like elvui to me
lusty grotto
hmm
modern brook
update ur version u loid
lusty grotto
might be that stupid light and shadow addon
lusty grotto
yeah I don't have that
wise mirage
its gud
modern brook
I'm 5+ versions out of date in the span of a raid night
so maybe a lot of my complaints are resolved
lusty grotto
just swapped alpha thingie on non-targets cause that shit was annoying for me
modern brook
I pumped alpha to like ~65%
lusty grotto
yeah same
modern brook
actually a big fan of the transparency
but UHH I DIDNT SIGN UP FOR A FUCKING EYE CHECK TY
lusty grotto
i like it, but i also like actually seeing the fucking nameplates
tepid dagger
So for Jadefire, if you only taunt swap after every seven sided strike, how many stacks does that end up being? Initial taunt on 6 then every seven sided strike to mitigate the physical damage
lusty grotto
did my usual LFR testing, couldn't see other mob nameplates without squinting like i was dropping a deuce
said fuck this shit, pumped alpha a to around that
why swap at seven sided strike
modern brook
If your tanks are at the keyboard u can hold the monk through the debuff
just swap when stacks drop
first at 6 is fine
lusty grotto
is your other tank a keyboard turner?
full palm
Is siphoning a good enchant for a weapon in m+?
tepid dagger
I am just reading what people posted above, feel free to give me the pro strat instead
lusty grotto
yeah i mean there's no reason to swap at strike, or at least that i know of
exotic spoke
We swap at about 7 stacks of the flame dot
modern brook
mismanaging physical damage debuff = some extra tank damage
mis managing rising flame = wipe
lusty grotto
unless if your other tank is a mongoloid who can't face stuff, aka a keyboard turner
tepid dagger
Thanks guy
lusty grotto
presses arrow key
tepid dagger
Also... we spent a good 20 minutes last night explaining to people how to mouse turn... the struggle is all too real
modern brook
imagine playing WoW on a keyboard in 2019
lusty grotto
i wanna make a video of me clicking an onscreen keyboard arrows, so that way it will be a video of a clicker keyboard turner
modern brook
gamecube controlling intensifies
exotic spoke
Wait.... all these years I thought keyboard turning was literally just turning the keyboard... and was like how do you get an advantage out of that... you mean it’s people using a and d to turn?
jovial haven
what you mean we don't all play WoW telepathically??
exotic spoke
/s
modern brook
Q:
lusty grotto
my a and d are rebound to strafe
modern brook
aside from dH
whats the most braindead 1 buttons pec u can think of
tryna map my game cube controller for wow
lusty grotto
DH
jovial haven
bm hunter
lusty grotto
i think you should go DH
modern brook
ITs def the DH move
full palm
Is siphoning a good enchant for a weapon in m+?
modern brook
I recognize that was the most obvious at you comment since i followed it up with stuff irrelevent to you
but iw as responding to you there
Its not
exotic spoke
My co tank in legion played a bear. He found, and I shit you not, a one button spec (for offensive not defensive stuff) that he thought he could tank wel enough with and let him call out shit as a RL
outer dew
I enchant it to tilt kaeage
lusty grotto
its a don't look up streamer enchants meme
exotic spoke
Meanwhile, I’m ripping Aggro off him and he refuses to change.... and that’s when I realized I thought I’d seen it all
outer dew
Ol
lusty grotto
yikes
lusty grotto
jesus christ
exotic spoke
They tried to get me to hold back my attacks when I wasn’t actively tanking
And I said no.
modern brook
holy shit
exotic spoke
It’ll fuck with my survivability
modern brook
That makes me so mad
lusty grotto
i had an OT like that in TBC lol
exotic spoke
Except I was doing stupid damage. He also had issues with AM usage.
lusty grotto
i mean
exotic spoke
I was prot then too.
lusty grotto
there were pretty bad people playing prot warriors in legion
spamming IP
and nothing else
full palm
Sorry. Thought was an answer to someone else. Glickwar has it has his enchant for weapon and his the #1 m+ tank /shrug
exotic spoke
So I had the 900% threat modified and was doing almost double his dps
bright pagoda
ran some heroic dungeons as prot, some timewalk. so timewalk is obv a bit different if i aiming for dps. but i was mostly staying alive. i want to be keeping ignore pain for when i know a lot of hurt is coming i assume, shield block -> shield slam for more dps. and avatar for what, whenver i want? usually i see my guilds warrior(on heroic) pop avatar at the start of each fight raid wise
lusty grotto
uhh
exotic spoke
Shield block is the most important mitigation you have for any physical (blockable) damage.
It is not good to spam IP.
lusty grotto
you want SB up most of the time with Last Stand to fill in for gaps, you want IP up at the same time as SB to smooth out dmg, you want demo up as much as you cant to get that extra DR on all types of attacks. You avatar on CD pretty much, only hold if you know HUGE big pulls are coming up, otherwise use on CD
modern brook
@full palm npnp: heres the secret - playing the spec correctly will get you a lot further than ~180 Haste from Quick Nav
glickwar is the #1m+ tank because he plays prot well
not cause of his enchant
exotic spoke
It works for his situation
full palm
Sure and thanks!
lusty grotto
what glickz uses probably does not apply to you
bright pagoda
i guess spamming IP wasnt the right way to put it if i did say that, i dont think i did. i was just using when a boss was going to through a huge "dbm alert use defensive"
outer dew
@full palm glick used it because of neck level
bright pagoda
sl i want to use shield block when dbm calls for defensive?
outer dew
He said on stream of running it because he didn't have his inner traits
lusty grotto
on BFA dungeons, you use SB for those situations @bright pagoda
on legion dungeons as well
sand egret
they also aren't really exclusive
bright pagoda
i see
sand egret
IP = smoothing tool
lusty grotto
and with Demo shout
sand egret
SB = mitigation
bright pagoda
need to read the tooltips better
modern brook
@bright pagoda i think ur overcomplicating our shit
sand egret
different types of abilities
lusty grotto
its simple... physical dmg? SB + IP + Demo
modern brook
just maintain block; IP with excess; if you have IP already, revenge
bright pagoda
no bullfango, i just need o read the tooltips better to find out what exactly shit does, and just not a general idea
modern brook
CDs on CD
dense flame
Also Jupe you will learn better mitigation and rage control when you put yourself in more stressful tank situations.
lusty grotto
SB down? Use Last Stand
dense flame
Use shield wall to smooth magic or heavy damage during pulls or mechanics.
teal kelp
for pure dps, what is better R.A.G.E.(mekka trinket), Gore Crusted Butcher's Block, or Rezan's Gleaming Eye? assuming all are 400 ilvl
lusty grotto
follow those 4 simple tips for everything 😃
exotic spoke
Healthstones and health pots don’t share cooldowns either
modern brook
@teal kelp
exotic spoke
Not everyone knows that
modern brook
RAGE over rezan maybe
dense flame
IMO mekka is pretty nice trinket.
modern brook
I'm inclined to say rezan will provide more haste than mecha
dense flame
I use mekka/gore. Although I wanna swap to rezan prism.
modern brook
without looking at any of the numbers
dense flame
True
teal kelp
i have 415 diamond (opulence), 415 alchemy, and those 3 at 400
lusty grotto
id say RAGE is better than Rezan, but only if timed correctly with avatar
teal kelp
415 alchemy > 400?
modern brook
yes
dense flame
Over an entire dungeon yeah. But if you use mekka on a fat reaping for that on demand.
sand egret
My Prot basics:
- SB is your Jordan, IP is your Pippen
- Be Proactive, not Reactive
- Use your cooldowns. Anger Management's value is directly tied to your overall performance.
- Your warrior must have a dope beard.
teal kelp
over the 415 alchemy?
short vale
What do you guys think, looking at m+ tanking (17s+ keys) and alliance races pool ( :< crappy allies friends) how does fat kultiran look? compared to lets say NELF utility? (drop necrotic midpack, skips easily with shadowmeld, spells-casted cancellation abuse, etc)
Trying to figure if Ima go fat-man or stay nelf
sand egret
unless you're really using the NElf skips......Dorfs are really strong too
modern brook
that said; haymaker is all the utility warrior should have baseline
THAT said; play what looks cool to you
it doesnt fucking matter
exotic spoke
As prot I wouldn’t want to shadowmeld mid pull a bunch of the time. Maybe on bosses or single target shit
lusty grotto
Kt is a waste of money, so is Zandalari
modern brook
lets your nerd ass DPS Min max
exotic spoke
But yeah, minimal impact overall
sand egret
Alliance side, Dorf is future proof 😃
lusty grotto
Did, ne, dwarf better 500%
lusty grotto
Space goat is meh
modern brook
Arent holy goats highest damage ?
sand egret
gtfo
modern brook
cause of their active
sand egret
Dorfs are the best
exotic spoke
Hey now! Stop insulting my space goat
short vale
Dwarf is meh-ish compared to whole nelf team abusing long-range reapings
lusty grotto
Goats yuck
exotic spoke
I hate the animations
lusty grotto
Yes smeld is strongest
woven trellis
hi, im new to learning warrior, is there actually a place where i can learn what is blockable or not, mob by mob, ability by abilityÉ
lusty grotto
But dorf is good for bleed dungeons
exotic spoke
Check the guides grabuge. It’s there
lusty grotto
Is it physical damage? Then it's blockable
sand egret
so if you're group is already on that level, this isn't really a question
modern brook
but between it and "auto attacks and thrown rocks"
you should cover all the bases for starting out
exotic spoke
I look ducking great nim
undone sun
that's not true nim
short vale
@sand egret ye but fuck them I wanna be fatman! :<
lusty grotto
0/10 space goat and iphone
exotic spoke
Forgot to fix my weapon transmog after I got it last night
sand egret
well i mean it is YOUR character
modern brook
11/10 because nim doesnt like it
exotic spoke
Lol
sand egret
you make the NE swap because your group is doing it
weary summit
Any idea which Embrace the loas is better for warprot ?
sand egret
you choose another race because you as a player want it 😃
modern brook
Current feely craft is paku
weary summit
xd
undone sun
we dont know for certain, but odds are paku or bwonsamdi
outer dew
@sand egret cant change to KT for dudu
exotic spoke
Also, don’t hate my space goat because of my phone choice
outer dew
):
sand egret
why not?
outer dew
Smeld
sand egret
ah, well that's on your group 😃
outer dew
Too many dumbazs healers in pugs aren't NE
So I have to be meld for res
Zzzzzz
Being nelf just adds consistency for keys
sand egret
yeah, the druid case is better in that sense
but as a war, you don't have that caveat
short vale
Trying to find justifications to use haymaker, can't really think of any bigplays that feel "omg without it we would die" (given I'm an engineer)
outer dew
Kind of if you're engi
exotic spoke
Looks aside, I really like gift of the naaru
sand egret
Haymaker allows you to reposition mobs too
outer dew
That and it shaves 5 s if you dont die
short vale
** a mob
sand egret
but seriously sleeping on the dorf scaling
outer dew
Like if you running ne gang
exotic spoke
Dwarfs are great abilities but I hate the animations
sand egret
there will always been dangerous debuffs.
outer dew
Saving 20-25 seconds a skip is huge
sand egret
the ability to deal with them by yourself is fantastic
outer dew
And that's not including topping off
sand egret
yeah, in terms of high-end pushes, it's hard to argue against mass meld
but that's a very specific case, which i said before, if you're in that camp this isn't much of a choice
lusty grotto
SMeld, Fireblood and Stoneskin are just way superior in comparison to anything else
short vale
😦 yeah, really hard to find anything remotely close in terms of utility
exotic spoke
I mean if you really want to min max you change your char every week and for every dungeon
outer dew
Smeld is every week
lusty grotto
yes pay activision even more money, they deserve it
outer dew
Because you just rotate meld with your group
lusty grotto
small indie team and all
exotic spoke
I’d argue that some weeks dwarf is just better
sand egret
yeah, like being able to nix necrotic/grievous on you every 2 min is wonderful
outer dew
So it agros back on you
exotic spoke
Minimal gain for maximum cost. That’s what we’re saying right nim
exotic spoke
Not every group is 5 nelfs anyway
sand egret
plus the added benefit of: self-dispels extend to other non-M+ content
sand egret
i'd say that too
NE's look awful
worst beards
well, second to BE's but all elves just fail
exotic spoke
I’m not a monkey I’m a space goat
Imo, it’s whatever you enjoy most
sand egret
where's my malf beard option
jovial haven
what? wait, not all NE are female??
lusty grotto
yeah im confused
lusty grotto
i thought all BELFs were female too
outer dew
I mean
sand egret
there all the same to me
outer dew
Imagine playing a char not female
short vale
NE female, cant ever findmyself playing NE male that's so wrong..
outer dew
That's gay if you dont
wild shore
Female dwarf
lusty grotto
female dwarfs are hot
modern brook
😬
lusty grotto
what are you on about