what is sleep
#protection
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
I heard sleep is what the weak people use as an excuse to stop doing stuff
spark mortar
Is Bwomsamdi's Bargain terrible for us for progression/Mythic work?
spark mortar
Still trying to get a Rezan's Eye but y'know RNG gonna RNG.
oblique garnet
Yup
sand egret
warm plinth
Congrats
oblique garnet
I want my guild to kill jaina so i can get in on that farm loot
daring marlin
new guild? lol
oblique garnet
Yup
daring marlin
Good stuff
oblique garnet
Yeah they are really chill
daring marlin
425 socket anchor leggo
potent anvil
you guys ever just get a thunderclap crit of 48k with every proc aligned under the sun? feelsgood
oblique garnet
@potent anvil imagine doing king rastakhan hc on pug and the melee gets the mc and youre in the middle of avatar and cant help stop clapping because youre expecting the tremor but its not coming
45k crits on tc
Kills a dh xD
potent anvil
i think i managed 54k in a FH trash pack, with everything proc + monk debuff and earthlink at max stacks. huge clap
oblique garnet
Oh yeah
Every proc lines up
Big blasts
Prepot, vial and alchemy trinket proc + bl
Those claps are filthy
potent anvil
yeah, i was using alch trink + jes, every proc and avatar. its insane
oblique garnet
I ran 3x BoM 3x DC in fh
potent anvil
good thing i only shared jes with another melee, 2 ranged + healer being outside. feelsgood
oblique garnet
Managed to pull 290k on reaping
potent anvil
yep, im running 3x bom/dc/earthlink lol
oblique garnet
Idk the 3dc feels really bad defensively
potent anvil
on a 20 FH, i didnt feel the need to be defensive tbh. i did the beginning trash pull together and didnt feel threatening
and a double pull with the brinescale patrol at the 2nd boss area too
oblique garnet
Oh no thats fine
It was probably the healer focusing on dpsing more
And the fact that our rogue finished the event in middle of double pull which caused the harpooners to reset back to full hp
potent anvil
rip, you can finish event before the pull and still break them out from friendly. i think its only mobs that arent harpooners, but i dont recall
oblique garnet
Yeah the event doesnt work properly
potent anvil
i do it all the time, since i know some mobs just go back to hostile upon engaging
oblique garnet
I just hate it when people finish the event before because the mobs dont go back to hostile instantly
And sometimes it takes a while
So then it can reaggro on bad place
potent anvil
yeah
oblique garnet
And it usually screws up my planned a%
This week you get really good reapings if you kill the first 3 packs and then shroud to boss and kill the pack upstairs
And kill the enforcer on the bridge for the first reaping
After that all the other reapings are all grouped together
potent anvil
yeah, there are definitely ways to go about FH this week. i just yolo most of it cuz its free pad this week lol. i end with like anywhere from 97-99% most of the time, with only needing the last ravager pack in the end
oblique garnet
Yeah pretty much
potent anvil
as long as i avoid crushers, i dont really plan too much what to pull. and there are really good spots for double/chain pulling anyway
oblique garnet
I usually kill one crusher to trigger the 3rd reaping
potent anvil
i avoid all the crushers. takes forever to kill imo. not in mid-range keys, but higher ones. just sneak on by thru the left side and pull everything there
from the 2nd boss area to booty ring
oblique garnet
Oh yeah on high keys i avoid t
But on a 15 -17 its w/e
They die relatively fast
potent anvil
yeah
oblique garnet
I just generally try to get over 80% so you dont have to deal with ludvig in reaping
potent anvil
yep. i generally engage him post 80%
oblique garnet
Oh you actually have the exact same azerite pieces as i do deswind
potent anvil
it pumps
potent anvil
i like earthlink cuz it acts as treacherous covenant without the negative side effect. and its more consistent than the alternatives. so i prefer it.
if i had the choice, i'd like to get 3x unstable flames. it has really good uptime overall
oblique garnet
Defensively in m+ 2x IF are really strong
potent anvil
yeah aim for IF, but the other traits are decent as well
oblique garnet
Oh yeah bdk plays so much slower than warrior
Thats gonna be the biggest issue transitioning
primal crypt
@potent anvil over here trying to take my trinket
potent anvil
primal crypt
oblique garnet
@primal crypt hows the pushing going
primal crypt
its not 😦
rigid stream
I’m used to reaction
I still gotta gear up, ima try to get carried in a 10 completion key as a dps for the 410 and res
oblique garnet
@primal crypt smh yamo talk to me when youre 2.1k😪
umbral forge
@rigid stream
I did the transition.
Biggest difference for me was going from pooling Runic to just dumping rage - and being GCD locked.
I played with Devastator the first month just to get a hang of it then transitioned into BV
merry cave
Can you zerg down the mage on mythic jadefire or gotta keep them even
rigid stream
Yea so pooling rage is no good I assume?
I been reading through all of icy veins, might not have got that part
oblique garnet
Pooling rage is a waste
The more rage you use the faster your cds come back and the faster they come back the more rage you generate etc etc
queen owl
whats the best prot traits for m+ dps? i already have 3 bastions and 1 deafening. what should the other 2 be?
oblique garnet
Oh yeah leveling
I was doing keys with the bois from the guild i forgot all about that xD
sick sentinel
hop to it or the NA dream dies
ofc I could always just buy you a month of game time
sick sentinel
why not?
oblique garnet
You dont gain anything from it🤔
sick sentinel
makes me feel good
oblique garnet
Uhh
But i would have to do the quests to get friendly so i can unlock world quests😪
sick sentinel
I'll just hard carry you
oblique garnet
Shit i guess i have to actually level it
sick sentinel
do it
oblique garnet
4 levels🤢
oblique garnet
But bfa leveling and neck lvling and and
@sick sentinel ill do it if you help me level
sick sentinel
lolllll
I don't really gain anything from you coming to NA
I have 5 120s, there's no way I'm leveling again
oblique garnet
I have 11
sick sentinel
you're messed up
oblique garnet
Yes
@sick sentinel all you would have to do is tank normal dungeons 8) its gonna take like 2 hours to get to 4 lvls
oblique garnet
Why not
primal crypt
@oblique garnet yeah, my wife has been pretty ill
so we haven't pushed at all this week
oblique garnet
Morning sickness?
hot locust
@primal crypt dont push
primal crypt
@hot locust /wave
hot locust
That way I can make fun of dusty more
primal crypt
LOL
hot locust
I let you guys catch up like 2-3 weeks at a time
then just smash out like 400+ in a few keys
sick sentinel
ask nim about our 6 @oblique garnet
primal crypt
@hot locust we're all about scuffcity
hot locust
hell yeah
oblique garnet
Lala im actually leaving you to dust soon o.o
primal crypt
@oblique garnet and not morning sickness, not yet
she has inflammatory issues that cause problems
puts her down for days at a time
no way around it
primal crypt
yeah, she's gonna get on tomorrow for one more key
just so we can get our 5th dungeon in lol
oblique garnet
@hot locust i was doing motherlode the other day and we tried the engineering deathskip and it basically gave me some flashbacks from your run we failed it 7 times xD
potent anvil
fury in keys is depressing 😞
oblique garnet
Yeah
primal crypt
@oblique garnet LMAOOO
oblique garnet
Its a bad feeling when you do more damage as prot than with fury with the gear
primal crypt
you trusted in engineering brez
oblique garnet
We had pala with bop
primal crypt
ah
hot locust
@oblique garnet other than 1 day last week I havent pushed at all, been busy praciticing speedrunning KH3/BBS cuz I got readdicted.
oblique garnet
Nice
I cant even push more score since atm our key selection is 3 kings rest 2 shrines 8)
hollow zephyr
How much of the dmg from Ice shard should be mitigated if played well?
not from any single shard but overall in the Jaina fight
oblique garnet
And difficulty
hot locust
Kinda depends on a lot, tanking uptime what traits you have for block increases or flat damage reduction or dps, etc. Safe bet is probably like 60%+ for good play though.
sick sentinel
forgot that difficulties outside of mythic exist
sick sentinel
hollow zephyr
LFR is great practice for raid lead
oblique garnet
Weep who day
sick sentinel
some Finnish idiot
oblique garnet
Wow rude
sick sentinel
I take nothing back
oblique garnet
Actually hurt me
hot locust
@sick sentinel looking at my logs this week for mythic was 79% on our longest pull.
so maybe a bit higher
sick sentinel
probably didn't want to ping me
hot locust
on mobile its hard pepehands
sick sentinel
if I ever play warr again I'll appreciate it
oblique garnet
Weep i dont want to do keys with you anymore since you are so toxic towards finnish people
hollow zephyr
okay thank you!
sick sentinel
no he's not an idiot because he's Finnish
it's just the only remotely interesting descriptor he has
oblique garnet
Fine
vocal quiver
I am progressing mythic jadefire, for the tank swap is it the same as heroic. swap after the physical damage taken debuff ?
hot locust
for the monk yes, we also swapped mage at 7-8 stacks even if it meant tanking both because it didnt seem to matter and meant smaller explosions.
sick sentinel
explosion is so undertuned
hot locust
true it really doesnt matter with gear
sick sentinel
I remember doing it on first week hero
tanks dropped like 15 or something
nobody died
sick sentinel
they were probably scared of another fetid
oblique garnet
I have flashbacks of grong progression when the cotank let me die 15 times because he missed taunt
hot locust
I killed my co-tank literally every week on the last combo
didnt get to do it this week
grong didnt give me any extra smashes
hot locust
dont have that problem :^)
oblique garnet
I miss raiding with competent people now im only doing pug runs until my guild kills jaina
hot locust
sitting jaina?
oblique garnet
Its a new guild im trialing for
So yeah
Basically sitting this tier and then tanking farm
hot locust
hmmm
oblique garnet
@potent anvil tested out the traits in low fh lul
crisp egret
@oblique garnet what traits? :))
potent anvil
yeah man, its the big pumper
oblique garnet
@crisp egret 3x BoM 3x DC with 2x Earthlink and 1 OP
oblique garnet
yeah @ionic fern that was a meme key like +4
potent anvil
i havent looked but i wonder if there's azerite for 3x bom/dc/unstable flames. cuz that's what i really want to do. not sure if its possible. i'll look at the vendor tomorrow
ionic fern
You can easily do that setup in 19-20s
potent anvil
it is a meme, i just embrace it. ez
i get like 50k~ tclap crits on average lol its huge lol
ionic fern
It's a meme of big dps and survival isn:t a problem as long as you don't mong out.
I have been running 3 BoM/3DC/2earthlink for a whole.:D
While*
potent anvil
ive been using it in 20+ keys. survival hasnt been an issue even on 18+ keys this week with just double pulling some stuff in dungeons.
ionic fern
Jeap.
potent anvil
yeah i have 3x bom/dc/earthlink. really consistent dmg output
oblique garnet
@potent anvil best you can do is 3x BoM/DC 2x UF 1 OP
potent anvil
ah ok. that's not too bad either
UF has a ridiculous uptime overall in m+, and i like crit but that'll do
potent anvil
i rarely pvp, but if thats the case...maybe ill do some 2s
oblique garnet
you can do 3x BoM 1 BFI/reckless flurry 2x DC 3x UF
potent anvil
ill have to take a look. maybe 2x UF is good enough. it gets like 57-58% uptime overall so might be worth just getting 2
oblique garnet
but yeah thats with defensive trinkets
oblique garnet
i have opulence and alchemy trinket
crisp egret
ty 😃 will give it a try
exotic scroll
I know this may be a weird question but when it comes to raid tanking do different tanks have unique synergy with one another? for example does Prot warrior particularly pair well wiht a specific tank partner?
neon tangle
Mass grip + super slow from BDK pairs well with prot warrior on opulence 😛
Same thing was fun on zek as well last tier
jovial jewel
for engineering helm
what inner trait for secondary should i take?
drops stacks of bleeds sounds good
neon tangle
The bleed removal is good on specific fights
I.e. conclave
Outside of that the absorb beats it
I just made two of the helm
hasty quest
Guys what about unstable catalyst trait?
sick sentinel
worse than no trait
crisp pecan
Whats dc in terms of traits
oblique garnet
What about it?
teal kelp
Deafening crash?
potent anvil
Are you asking what DC is? It's deafening crash.
neon tangle
damage?
wispy plover
i have a related question on traits. I need to choose one from these 3 options(mostly for M+): Ancients' Bulwark, a second DC, or Meticulous Scheming. Any recommendation which is better?
neon tangle
Speaking in pure damage terms, DC does more than BoM (at least according to the sims)
sick sentinel
DCDCDCDCDC
neon tangle
@wispy plover I'd probably do DC, or see what you can swap your other DC to
wispy plover
i have 2 slots for DC, and their alternatives are Ancients' Bulwark and Meticulous Scheming
shall I just go 2 x DC?
neon tangle
DC for more damage, prolly bulwark if you need/want to turtle more
I'd probably do 2x DC
if people can survive 20's with it why not
wispy plover
thanks
jovial jewel
dk
rough egret
is it still possible to kill last mob pack in TOS with boss after getting buffed?
potent anvil
Yes. If you kill the last boss add though, you lose the buff.
real willow
very standard pushing strategy yeah
stealth to the end or death run
and pull it all with the buff
rough egret
ok thank you
sick sentinel
I just woke up so reading up on chat
@potent anvil what I did is pull all 4 crushers
and kill them at the same time
since both me and the outlaw rogue can dps while staying out of the circles and I had a hunter, we didn't lose all that much dps while killing them
@wispy plover merticulous scheming is pretty good in my opinion, I personally don't like getting more than 1 DC before I lose defence
sturdy trench
best traits = 3 BOM 3 DC
fuck defensive
when avatar runs out just leap out and wave goodbye to ur team!
sick sentinel
this is an actual strat
100% dps build, go in, avatar and then trees after avatar is over
sturdy trench
the creeps should be dead anws after 20 secs
save ur cds
for after
have about 10% leech
and u wont even need a healer
lofty drum
Anyone using the spell reflect WA?
sturdy trench
whats that?
there is a wa that marok made
sick sentinel
ask people in #ui-addons-manager
lofty drum
Did you do anything to enable it
sick sentinel
I just put it in and it worked
lofty drum
Hmmm
sick sentinel
I am just a clappy boy I am not that good with WAs
hasty dagger
Is stacking deafening crash a thing?
delicate urchin
should i equip item which give me
+23 armor +17 str +33 stam +147 crit
-20 haste -122 vers ?
undone sun
it is a thing, yes @hasty dagger primarily when you're going for more damage and defense isn't a thought
graceful cobalt
hi one question wich trinket combo would be better i have Retzuks big red on 410 Rezans eye on 400 Jes Knurr on 400 Underrot spore on 400 that from ignis the lord on 405
delicate urchin
@sick sentinel ask couse icy veins says haste > armor > vers > mas > crit > str
delicate urchin
okay, thx
graceful cobalt
knot-of-ancient-fury plus sockel on 405 , razdunks-big-red-button on 410, jes-howler on 400 , lingering-sporepods on 400 with leech as bonus or rezans-gleaming-eye on 400 with trinket would be best combo if i look on bloodmedallion it would be rezans-gleaming-eye and knot of acient
sick sentinel
@graceful cobalt now that you actually spoke english, yeah knot+rezans is the best combo for mythic plus
but bloodmallet is not the source to look at
for raids you want rezan's+jes' howler
graceful cobalt
sorry didn´t know all names right on english and was searching now fast
ok and m+ than razans eye and the knot of acient fury
sick sentinel
yes
graceful cobalt
thx a lot
jade wyvern
anchor pretty swell too
sick sentinel
pure dps, yes
it's like 3-5% of you damage overall
a 415 anchor is like 350dps per second per target when fully stacked
it is good but not that amazing IMO
hasty dagger
I like my mekka trinket :)
undone sun
definitely the wrong channel 
sick sentinel
@wicked trail #promotion
mint adder
Why would you post a recruitment message for dps and healers in a prot thread
sick sentinel
he went to protection instead of promotion
wicked trail
potent anvil
@sick sentinel its not about killing crushers, its about how much time you save or dont save. There are packs you can pull that die quicker than killing a crusher and can make use of CDs more effectively. That being said, if crushers are what you plan for % then go for it.
sick sentinel
after you kill the left crusher then you can pick up the whole pack of yellows and the pack
depends on comp ofc
if you have a melee that can't dps safely all the crushers then it's not worth it
and then getting 4 crushers in the same reaping in the same spot is not even that bad because their smash will be cast at the same time
so you have to avoid only 1 thing
potent anvil
You can hit 80% and subsequently 100% without ever touching a crusher. Thats how I approach FH on fort, especially this week. On tyran, its fine. They just have a lot more health than mobs you can double pull together and kill 20s faster.
potent anvil
True
sick sentinel
you go from the left?
potent anvil
Yeah, pull everything going left. Ez %
Can do a double with the patrol or chain it.
potent anvil
I dont have an mdt, but I generally end up with like 84% when heading to harlan. Killing two at bridge and on the right brings me to like 98 or something. Leaving a single stormcaller in the middle or just triggering painful motivation to kill something on the back ravager pull.
Or maybe a lil less than 98, which the back ravager pull still gets you enough
sick sentinel
yeah I think that's the best way to do it
stable raft
what are the ideal traits you want to go for?
spice cargo
how many versa you got guys for higher keys?
sick sentinel
I got like 200 versa
and I am doing 19s
@stable raft depends on content, read icy veins
modern brook
@potent anvil do you delay the crew for that? Def depleted a freehold due to crushers
potent anvil
You can. Some mobs can be pulled back into hostility. Ive done some meme FH runs with and without triggering crew rp and still timed without crushers.
Just get shipmates after leaving the first bridge. Decent %
odd goblet
for m+ you want to have 1 DC and 1 Bloodsport right? im kinda new to prot
silk mortar
There should be no need for having a bloodsport
But having 1 DC is really good and helps alot
odd goblet
is stacking dc good for dmg? what traits do you want else
silk mortar
Pure damage is mostly BoM
daring marlin
bloodsport is fine in higher keys where your IP is stripped pretty quick lol
plus leech is nice to have
silk mortar
Well sure but if you are new to a class i take it you dont often push that high
odd goblet
well, playing as high as my healers are confident, for now i only did 14 wiith 395
daring marlin
BoM/DC is the meme dream damage build
odd goblet
for now, i have 2 cd, 2 if, 1 bom, 1bfi. i could change 1 cd with either bfi callous, but i know this is shit
drowsy relic
idk having two bloodsports seems like the meta rn
daring marlin
I know
odd goblet
if>bloodsport? bfi>2nd dc? what do you think
oblique garnet
Kill siphoning
daring marlin
LOL
oblique garnet
Make it stop
sick sentinel
siphoning sucks
oblique garnet
I can understand deadly nav
daring marlin
nice for damage it seemed too
oblique garnet
But siphoning doesnt bring anything to the table offensively
drowsy relic
youre still a tank lol
daring marlin
I want a nice rage trinket
pair it with my 410 vial
trinket every avatar
GO FULL BOOST MODE
drowsy relic
but doesnt AM desync avatar and vial?
drowsy relic
would ancient knot be better?
for pairing with avatar
or is the strength every second avatar perform better than the crit
daring marlin
What’s cd of knot again?
drowsy relic
1min
daring marlin
never got one lol
narrow abyss
1min
daring marlin
hm
Wouldn’t be able to use it every avatar if you’re pushing the cd to 45 seconds, would you wanna sit on avatar? idk man
drowsy relic
never realised the cd dropped to 45 secs
spark mortar
What's worth gambling on residium for?
oblique garnet
@drowsy relic ancient knot is really good trinket
daring marlin
on demand str
spark mortar
@daring marlin what are you generally pairing your vial up with?
daring marlin
alch trinket atm cuz 415 lol
spark mortar
LOL - yeah too committed to my Professions I invested in (BS/JC RIP).
daring marlin
I dropped 150 bs for engi helm and brez
Don’t even use em anymore
should just go back lol
spark mortar
@daring marlin when you dropped - did you lose ALL your old patterns or just the BFA ones?
drowsy relic
or is it just bad for prot war
spark mortar
I used Jes on Reaping with Avatar, that shit was fun.
drowsy relic
have you tried bomswandis trinket? is that viable in m+ like the mythrax trinket from last tier?
spark mortar
I got Bwom's trinket last night and seems a lot of folks don't have value but it's hard to get a straight answer through all the memes sometimes.
ebon hound
I think most people agree it's good for progress where you might get chunked hard, but pretty lackluster everywhere else, unless you wanna try tanking triple grong smash
spark mortar
I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how hard I can get hit with it on Grong and yet live.
tepid dagger
Can I avatar before key?
spark mortar
@ebon hound What are you trinkets of choice for raiding usually?
ebon hound
rezan and howler cause it's what i got, id replace howler with prism if i can get it to drop
then again im pretty new to raid tanking im just spamming m+ so dont listen to me
drowsy relic
Are there any m+ guides for prot war? Or is it just this disc and wowhead/icyveins
ebon hound
you could also look up Deswind,he's got some vids on youtube
dry reef
icyveins seems to be a bit out of date
ebon hound
How so?
dry reef
they seem to not update all newer info since BfA release
ebon hound
I can assure you that it is
dry reef
just for prot or for all other guides as well?
dim blaze
Any advice for Tol Dagor cannons? I do my best to gather up and jump away but one hit from cannon grabs all the threat then my dps dies to the range attacks
Reason we didn’t key our 15 last night rest of run went really well
stoic pilot
Have a rogue tricks before getting into cannon
If no rogue, have DH get in cannon with soul rending talent
Should be able to live via leech
ebon hound
what if no rogue or dh, feelsbadman
stoic pilot
Get in cannon pop them once and get out and have dps get in
dim blaze
I’ll try that - the one dying was our DH
ebon hound
Meeker bringing big knowledge, thanks
stoic pilot
Did he have soul rending talent grock?
dim blaze
I’ll ask him
stoic pilot
If he’s running netherwalk he won’t be able to live
next oyster
Hey guys, I'm new here, was just wondering if any of you lot knew which traits are best for mythic+?
next oyster
Thanks! Nerfclap also said 3x BoM, 2 Bloodsport and 1 deafening crash!
Already have the deafining and the bloodsports
swift coyote
Referring someone and still giving answer 🙈
next oyster
Just need to get some BoM's now
stoic pilot
One day I’ll have triple BoM. 
upper comet
Does anyone know if the instant queues for dungeon leveling are faster than just doing quests?
stoic pilot
Not from my experience, roll of the dice if the group actually does damage too. If you can stomach questing it’s definitely faster (1-110) not sure about efficiency of 110-120 pure insta-q spam.
spark mortar
At what point does the Darkmoon Deck: Blockades finally lose it's value?
lucid bough
Was blockades even good for prot warrior? I felt it had more value on othjer tanks that us
glacial ore
There is a document where we can see all the reflectable spells in dungeons / raids?
torn gust
Yeah
question about that
I tried to reflect cyclone strike, didn't work
is it wrong or am i doing it wrong?
placid coyote
You can reflect it but only if it's not cast ok you
Aka it targets another party member you can
torn gust
But i still got mashed, so guess i gotta reflect only 1 of em?
so best to when cyclone pops out leap max range and then put SR up?
placid coyote
Nah can reflec all maybe you reflect got used on the he other boss cast
Can happen if bad timing
neon tangle
@spark mortar it’s still a 355 trinket, lots better options now
torn gust
how big is the reflect from dmg on cyclone strike?
rough egret
AV / HmC for m+ content?
hollow thorn
Do you want offense or defense?
rough egret
ye Thats what I asked myself aswell
sick sentinel
so who's going zandalari
spark mortar
@neon tangle I'll probably be rocking the Vial for now moving forward.
sick sentinel
no one
brisk rain
Hey, how is treacherous covenant for raiding?
sick sentinel
it exists
rough egret
my new setup 😃
sour plinth
what are the best dungeons to farm it for gear ?
broken kite
Farm what?
empty inlet
Farm atal for eyeballs or td undderot for trinket
inland mesa
Are you in the bosses model? If you're back too far it reflects one and another kills you. You have to take them all at the same time. @torn gust
sick sentinel
oof
chilly brook
@lucid bough to answer your question yes blockades was the best defensive value trinket for prot
@torn gust it’s well over a million on higher keys if you reflect it
warm plinth
Also worth noting (didn't see it in the follow-up to Sponks's question) that from what others have said, the Cyclone Strike has to target someone besides you for the spell reflect to work on all of them.
torn gust
yh i mean keys 16+
warm plinth
I have heard a few people say 10+% of the boss's HP.
sour plinth
@empty inlet thanks
daring marlin
If you spell reflect your own cyclone strike you’re falling over
inland mesa
On tyrannical I believe it's around 10% on fortified its more
dusk basin
Any m+ streamers I can watch to learn more?
oblique garnet
@torn gust 1 cyclone strike = 10% bosses hp if you reflect all 5 its 50%
warm plinth
Is it really that broken? Yikes!
oblique garnet
yes
warm plinth
Guessing that'll be fixed before the MDI, wouldn't you say? 😬
oblique garnet
doubt it
empty inlet
Imagine in mdi the rng between it targetting the tank or not on cyclone strike LUL
gilded viper
Im looking for a new ui/weakaura to track my skills and so on. Any suggestions? Cant seem to find any that suits me on wago
sick sentinel
it'll be a huge time save if the tank gets all 5
@gilded viper i have a set
that kage seems to swear by
gilded viper
Pic?
sick sentinel
daring marlin
@oblique garnet You mean this week?
I’ve reflected all and not done 50% of the boss hp
outer dew
That's why no one takes MDi seriously
Speed running has too much rng
Theres no sport in that
sick sentinel
raid speed running is cooler
gilded viper
@sick sentinel doesnt really suit me. I've watched Naowh's stream, and started to love his ui. But u gotta be a subscriber to get his ui.. 😦
sick sentinel
then sub
outer dew
Mdi is basically who can coordinate the thicc boi pulls
sick sentinel
gonna be real
i don't even play prot anymore
jsut come here 2 hang out with du bois
outer dew
Bear main now
sick sentinel
outlaw/sin main
xd
i feel bad for fury
prot got buffed so fury has nothing unique
oblique garnet
@daring marlin its pretty inconsistent someetimes it only does 3 cyclones instead of 5
warm plinth
Well if anyone wants it fixed before then, they can just make a wowhead article about it like they did for UE for BDK in Legion
😉
empty inlet
I've never seen a 50% reflext
tepid dagger
rezan's or gore for M+? both 400
sick sentinel
Rezans
gilded viper
I would go for rezans
daring marlin
@sick sentinel feel bad for arms not fury
It’s like a worse ret paladin
shit’s a meme
daring marlin
especially with the minor buff ret gets in 8.1.5
sick sentinel
if arms never sees raid again i wont care
daring marlin
haha
sick sentinel
the only reason I actually care about it getting buffs is because of Corejo
daring marlin
fair enough
Rets are gonna be more nuts in m+ tuesday. wings-wake-DS gonna be stupid burst
outer dew
Ret is going to die whenever I dont have avatar and they wings
daring marlin
gonna be omegalul
merry bane
heyt here folks! been a bit
gilded viper
Anyone in here got Naowh's weakauras?
merry bane
How you doing @daring marlin been a bit
so I got a question for all my prot warriors. I can tank +9 flawlessly everytime. but one reaping hits I struggle
is it hard for warriors to hold all the enemies or is it dps's job to cleave them down so we dont hold them for long
cause I get wrecked in a hard fashion when I try and hold all the reaping enemies
primal crypt
just thunderclap them
steel mauve
Its not hard and they need to be cleaved down
steel mauve
You need to make sure to time reaping so your cds are up, like if reapong is happening hold avatar
oblique garnet
you ded
merry bane
hmm ok, like I did a motherlode 10 and we did amazing until reaping. I picked up the mobs and I got nuked
even through my cds
oblique garnet
the reaping adds dont do any damage but the dot
steel mauve
You control when reaping happens so no reason to not have cds for it
oblique garnet
also yeah smash
primal crypt
and it one shot you
merry bane
ill rewatch my stream and see
merry bane
I know to dodge the purple circles and the green swirlies
primal crypt
but it's actually the way the mob is facing
so you dont just dodge the purple circles
but the actual smash mob
you have to look which way they're facing
dont trust the purple circles
merry bane
lol that could be why I was gettign wrecked
so healers dispel and dodge all the swirlies and circles, and dodge the frontal slam
daring marlin
if your healer isn’t dispelling on cooldown you’re in for a bad time
turbid nest
Having never played with Bloodsport I thought I'd ask; how does it stack? Both values? And would you consider it worth going for for a fight like Rasta Mythic? And, if so, should I keep one BoM for that free IP?
merry bane
hmm i can see that now on my stream
I dodged the purple circles but got hit by slams
dbm didnt even register to dodge a slam either
gilded viper
anyone here who is working with weakauras? I need some help about how to remove the space between the skill icons
oblique garnet
he wants the icons edges to stack
gilded viper
So i found a weakaura on wago, but there is a gap between the icons
I want them to be right next to each other
steel mauve
Use the extend button and select the weakauras individually and you should be able to move the.
Them*
You downloaded a group weakaura which means they are all selected together unless you click the minus or plus button on it to show the individual weakauras
median abyss
Azerite Globules vs Earthlink vs Strength in Numbers for high m+ only. Leaning towards SiN, that make sense to you guys?
oblique garnet
running earthlink atm
gilded viper
@steel mauve i dont think im able to move it. Shouldnt i be able to just drag it after i selected the individual weakaura?
steel mauve
May need to do it manually by adjusting the x and y offset in the disllay tab
gilded viper
oh ye ur right
wheat fjord
any1 can link his pawn in prot plz ?
oblique garnet
dont use pawn on prot
wary gyro
dont use pawn
gilded viper
Ehm, and how do i make the edges more like strait? Right now the corners are kind of rounded
steel mauve
Pawn is a shit addon and should never be used let alone on prot
wary gyro
want to rephrase that iron
oblique garnet
3rd times the charm iron
steel mauve
I hate this phone
wary gyro
i feel you
steel mauve
Ive never had as many issues typing on any phone as i have on this one
gilded viper
@steel mauve how do i make the corners more strait? They are kind of round now
grim echo
are the guides on sky hold up to date? just making sure before i start reading the,
wary gyro
yes
wheat fjord
You think I have to take 3 DC or keep 2 DC and 1 BOM ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gF9ixaRVywEixoYNkqEf6G
wary gyro
BoM>DC past the first one
i would also swap your chest from TC to BoM on the inner ring
same with your helmet
wheat fjord
ok i'll see ty
steel mauve
what weakaura did you download? @gilded viper
tawdry matrix
Best stat for prot in m+?
oblique garnet
haste
wary gyro
but dont sacrifice ilvl for it
untold raptor
hello, i have 415 eng helm, what eng trait is best for m+, untill i get another 415ilvl helm
muted mesa
wowanalyzer.com says Prot's out of date. Does anyone know what's out of date about it? Is it still useful?
muted mesa
Does it need a sim to tell you that you didn't TC enough? Or that SB uptime was too low?
steel mauve
it still uses a program or algorythm to determine your APL, if the APL is out of date or not updated for the website then no, it can't tell you how many of an ability you could have gotten off, or how many hits you took with out a shield block up when you still had a charge
chilly brook
@muted mesa considering everything has changed from legion no don’t take anything from analyzer
We have different uptimes etc.
sick sentinel
doing siege second boss key is going good somehow we managed to pull next pack into second boss even tho there is a wall
i love this game
depleto cause of a bug
chilly brook
SmAlL iNdIe CoMpAnY
unborn island
My personal favourite is the flying adds near the stairs in AD
That's a nice bug
Or reaping mins going through walls in TD
Mobs*
zinc vessel
Best part is when you get teleported to mobs instead of them teleporting to you
remote tusk
Flying mobs in Waycrest that somehow managed to grow wings
chilly brook
How are feral Druids doing in m+?
supple path
My favorite thing is when I go to dispel some stuff with arcane torrent and it misses because I was in the raid earlier.
supple path
And apparently every time I join the race changing part of the raid my arcane torrent misses until I hard restart the game
chilly brook
Not surprising really
supple path
Wouldn't that mean...400k dps?
chilly brook
That’s what I would think
zinc vessel
Kinda like most other non-fotm meleethey lack the utility from a rogue or a dh, and their damage isnt busted, but definetly still viable
sturdy trench
with ginore pains and everything
chilly brook
Wrong griff 😉
zinc vessel
Yikes
lusty grotto
chilly brook
I’m just trying to figure out what melee DPS I wanna roll
zinc vessel
If u have a good tank that pulls big, try UH dk
oblique garnet
@chilly brook Feral druids are pumping
chilly brook
Don’t really find DH too fun for long periods of time and can’t be bothered to level my rogue
Blood talon heals are probably pretty nice too yea? @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
@sturdy trench you get 40k hps even without the leech in reaping packs with victory rush
chilly brook
VR is bae
chilly brook
Nah I meant the healing they’re already going to be doing is probably pretty nice because of bloodtalons as well
Like spot heals
Assuming that something lines up with when they need to use it
chilly brook
Whatever my m+ toon is gonna be I need to figure it out before reset
narrow abyss
Ret paladin I think is sleeper awesome
daring marlin
Ret in M+ is fucking gr8.
narrow abyss
Hrm prot paladin u say
primal crypt
aoe taunt is prob my favorite thing right now
narrow abyss
And immunity. I’m assuming we’re gonna reach a point where that’s a bigger deal
daring marlin
telling ya man
Them necrotic weeks as a dark iron with a ret/holy pally in my group
kiting? Who needs it
I just pump
warm plinth
What is not to love is that LotP/HotP is still on the GCD
narrow abyss
@primal crypt I showed some guildies ur kite supposedly unmoveable ranged trick
primal crypt
oh yeah?
narrow abyss
Minds blown 🤯
primal crypt
yup, just enough to get it out of the bad stuff on the floor
it's so that melee can attack
without standing in dudu
narrow abyss
Got it
daring marlin
caca poopoo
narrow abyss
Ddong
sturdy trench
ipologizw
full palm
How much haste should I aim for? I'm at 22%/1500 before buffs. Am I to high and messing up some defense from other stats? Checking some other prot for m+ they aren't as high.
simple mural
So I got a 400 Rezan and Jes, but I also have a 385 Prism and Gigavolt Engine. Thoughts on which would be best to use?
sick sentinel
rezan and jes
@full palm there is no haste cap or anything it is best stat yes but for defensive purposes you generaly go ilvl
might lower some items level if it has a socket and has great stats
like jewelry or bracers and cape
they dont give lots of stats anyway or no main stat at all
full palm
So far the gear I've been getting is the biggest ilevel and with haste. Lucky I guess
Thanks for the tips. Siming still is showing my to get more haste but wanted to sire I wasn't messing myself self up defensively
Next question is when to use IP? My understanding is to keep SB up as much as possible for melee attacks and use IP for casters and extra rage dump, minus revenge for dmg. Is this accurate?
full palm
Thanks I read that now asking players opinions
steel mauve
simming isnt accurate, its still a work in progress
but always haste with out saccing ilvl
our priority really doesnt change outside of a few minor circumstances as long as ilvl is the same
the only time you really lower ilvl is rings/clock for a socket, more stats > better stats
undone sun
update APL was pushed a few days ago, much more reliable simming now
full palm
Thanks!
hushed cobalt
Was doing a few m+ 6-9 with a guildie dh alt, tried merekthas cause shockwave+dh nova kept stuff locked down. Was a nice little mix up spewing goo outside of avatar
sick sentinel
Which one ?
Is it more worth to use the one with leech instead of the one with haste
Or leech doesnt weight more
brave mauve
Our stats are so close that I'd take the leech one, even though leech is "ok" at best.
sick sentinel
ty
short vale
@brave mauve leech is ok at best?
Leech is kinda mad adding about 1.5k+ hps per m+ I run...
short vale
Ofcourse not, but at same ilvl? I really don't think there's even a choice
undone sun
yeah obviously, leech isn't apart of the stat budget so it's "free", epyawn did suggest to pick the leech one ¯_(ツ)_/¯
doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly mediocre, it also depends on how lazy the healer is in a dungeon run
¯_(ツ)_/¯
modern brook
Best choice is dependant on the rest of your stat allocation
Leech isnt worth not having haste unless you got a lot of haste or if you have BS at all etc
supple path
TIL that seal of reckoning on champs eats spell reflect charges. Whoops.
rigid stream
Friend just got 420 with socket. Just hit 120
chilly brook
@full palm the guide is very accurate and you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone that offers an opinion contrary to the guide
@sick sentinel I’d go with haste
But that’s just me
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel I'd go leech for the M E M E S
I mean that guide is a lie and inaccurate
@sturdy trench ti ypologizeis re trele?
The fact I'm not seeing thunderclap everywhere is already inaccurate
chilly brook
Lul
sick sentinel
👢 🍵 👏
green hornet
Just picked up prot warrior the other day and im 372ilvl now and im getting trucked in 8s.. i am keeping shield block up as much as i possibly can as well as using every other bit of my rage for ignore pain and still feel even with that im taking way too much damage. I watch vods of sephenko tanking and hes doing big pulls and taking no damage.. is there something i am missing??? My BDK was able to time a 15 at 350 last patch and i cant even do 8s without struggle 370+
chilly brook
Taking damage? Thunderclap
You realize that they increased difficulty of keys yea?
Are you rotating CD’s?
sick sentinel
What's the Ivl of ur shield
green hornet
running anger management and keeping shield wall and last stand on cd
chilly brook
I mean you use them to fill gaps not necessarily on CD
sick sentinel
Also being 372 trying to plus 8 I mean what do you expect
chilly brook
There’s so much that could be happening, it’s hard to really know without logs
But shield is huge
green hornet
im hoping its a gear dependancy thing
sick sentinel
It's why I asked
chilly brook
What kinda damage intake are we looking at?
green hornet
fair enough ill work on getting it more gear, i wasnt expecting it to be amazing but just at the moment it feels weaker than my DH
im going from 100% to 0 in 2 secs
sick sentinel
Ur shield being so low lvl is the reason ur noticing so much more damage then normal
green hornet
in trash packs
chilly brook
If it feels weaker than your DH....then honestly I think it’s play more than anything else
green hornet
yeh well thats what i was thinking but i am keeping my mitigation up
sick sentinel
It's not play
It's gear
With how much harder m+ is, and how undergeared u are for a +8 ur going to struggle
@green hornet your ilvl is your shields ilvl
If your shield is 340
Beat it yes, but struggle
You are 340
Do any m0 u can for a 370 shield
Doesn't matter the stats just get one
green hornet
ive cleared all the m0s this week
and completed heroic raid
so ill work on some low mythics
chilly brook
Do lower m+ then tbh
sick sentinel
Normal and lfr?
chilly brook
Where would m Uldir fall on the m+ scale for damage intake now?
sick sentinel
@undone sun do you have the k values handy?
I know you're always ready with your screenshots
chilly brook
I just mean like would m Uldir equate to a +5? A +6?
sick sentinel
You can do a 5 I believe
chilly brook
Cuz I was doing Mythic Uldir for a while with a 340
green hornet
i am timing the 8s, just dieing or getting close on some of the pulls
ill try for some 5s tonight though
should make things easier
sick sentinel
Farm dungeons that drop shields
Preferably tol dagor and atal
Because they are easy and fast to do
chilly brook
Fortified always sucked for me imo
warm plinth
chilly brook
And the m+ value doesn’t get higher than 8467?
sick sentinel
No
Probably that's why at higher ilvls you still take no damage from blocked attacks
Whereas if you don't block something you are instantly destroyed
chilly brook
Yea
sick sentinel
On tyrr weeks I can have half a sec to a sec gaps between my SBs so I can have more SBs total before I need to LS
And its fine
chilly brook
Most people only push on tyrannical right?
sick sentinel
On fort if I let my shield drop for half a sec
chilly brook
I absolutely hate fort
sick sentinel
I'm picking up my arms and legs from the floor
Everybody hates fort
Any tyrr week is push week
chilly brook
That’s what I thought
sick sentinel
The trash in bfa have so many abilities that should be stunned/interrupted
It's disgusting
chilly brook
Yea
sick sentinel
Also, you can still fail on boss mechanics on fort weeks
Granted, they don't hit as hard and they die faster
But you can still fail on their mechanics
leaden grail
Good evening
is it worth to equip a 400 ilvl azerite piece with deafening crash/bastion of might over a 415 that does not have either of those? I do not have those 2 traits on any other piece either. Talking about mythic+ only
leaden grail
i thought so, i just didnt know whether it would be worth to drop 15 ilvl on an azerite piece for it. thank you
chilly brook
And 15ilvl is an acceptable drop for it
undone sun
used to be a lot more
sick sentinel
We were sacrificing 15 ilvls for dc in 8.1 but before the new raid
I would not now with double rings
leaden grail
i guess i will just need to test it then 😃 at least i now know that it might be worth it
chilly brook
At the end of the day that’s probably wisest
oblique garnet
i wouldnt sacrifice 15 ilvls anymore
bold zinc
Do you get -2 on weekly if your highest key done is depleted?
sick sentinel
No
lucid kelp
oh that reminds me I need to do a key this week
sick sentinel
Lul
jade wyvern
since when did bosses start dropping expulsom https://i.imgur.com/w3uCjAL.png
jade wyvern
willow fractal
does anyone know if blacksmithing can make a 415 shield?
oblique garnet
@willow fractal no they cant
sick sentinel
If they could it would be busted
tacit solstice
Bwonsamdis is rly good for M stormwall tbh
daring marlin
@willow fractal you wish
vocal skiff
got a vial today
Now I have jes, butcher's block, vial
Only rezan is left before I have them all
oblique garnet
I have a wide collection of shit trinkets
Have merekthas fang 410, sporepods 420 bandages 410,barnacle 410,
vocal skiff
Oh I have a few of those as well
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel sure
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet level 116
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel its 120 now
sick sentinel
are you really?
burnt kelp
should one use treacherous covenant?
sick sentinel
i'm proud of you
oblique garnet
Well my warrior is anyways
oblique garnet
🤔everyone seems to want to raid with me nowadays
sick sentinel
is probably too much
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel when your shieldblock recharge is 6 seconds
oblique garnet
Yeah theres no such thing as too much haste for warrior
Just as long as youre not dropping ilvl
@sick sentinel you have a guild or?
oblique garnet
You can have more
oblique garnet
Theres no downside to having more haste