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sick sentinel
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like

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to use my 70k IP

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I have to take 70k damage on my health as well

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I don't wanna take 70k damage

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but I also don't like overcapping IP so I will not overcap rage

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and like

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I have 25%+ parry

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so revenge is always free

broken roost
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I had engi helmet and 2x BFI /2x IF for a bit - blocking damage for days

sick sentinel
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I took off merticulous scheeming for BS

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regrets all over the place

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I did it on wednesday, I am waited 2 days to let the reforge cost drop so I will reforge back again

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if IP was at like 75% of damage instead of 50%

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then I would go full bs

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I just did it because I have like 3% vers

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so I needed something against magic

broken roost
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Yeah - I find I take enough damage to use the IP most of the time anyway and the leech feels nice, and if I'm not taking enough to use IP I dont really care which defensive I have sorta thing

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Not going to stack BS but something against magic anyway

sick sentinel
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I have like 3% leech and it is like 7-9% of my healing

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and I use a 400 diamond+rezans

broken roost
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Diamond OP OP - wish I raised just for that hah

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Raided**

sick sentinel
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I raid as fury

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and my lootspec is 100% of the time as fury

wary gyro
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I still cant get that diamond to drop for me

sick sentinel
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but the week where the "do 4 mythic dungeons" was a thing

narrow abyss
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I made all the monks and Druid healers go tank spec

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For me

sick sentinel
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my lootspec was prot for a shield/weap

narrow abyss
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😂

sick sentinel
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and I forgot it on when turning in the quest

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and got diamond

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lul

hollow thorn
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I was prot loot spec for jaina

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Didnt matter tho

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Cus i didnt get shit

brisk ferry
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gotta go fury/arms for Jaina to get taht sweet Anchor

sick sentinel
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and then procceed using anchor for prot

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ez

brisk ferry
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exactly

late cedar
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What's the dream for dps trinks in m+, anchor + vial?

unborn island
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Anchor + Rezan if you ask me :)

narrow abyss
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Shit

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Do I gotta tell guild to do jaina again on H just for anchor

brisk ferry
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the thing is nutty

sick sentinel
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360 dps per target at max stacks

brisk ferry
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someone in here had it up to like 18% of their overall dmg in a dungeon if I'm not mistaken, can't remember who though

sick sentinel
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Pgood

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it will be 18% if you unbind avatar

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or if it is like 425 and you are 400

brisk ferry
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yeah idk what ilvl they were

late cedar
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Anchor rezan sounds nice

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Jw max cheese on reaping popping vial in avatar

sweet pine
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Guys i gotta ask, is it just me or are prot wetnoodles if they charge into a pack on fortified with 0 rage?

oblique garnet
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Eh

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Gore>rezan

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Any tank that goes in without any mitigation on fortified will die

sick sentinel
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you can charge into your melee to gain rage then charge into the pack to get another 15 rage

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and you clap so you get >30 rage insta for shield block

sweet pine
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oh dang, i didnt know that,thx

sick sentinel
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or you avatar charge

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so you charge in with an ignore pain and 35 rage ( 50 if you did what I just said)

sweet pine
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shield block uptime is more important than ignore pain right?

sick sentinel
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yes

oblique garnet
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If its blockable damage

sweet pine
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yes ofc^^

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Any life changing wa's besides from block tracking?

sick sentinel
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tracking CDS

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you should track your IP

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you should track how long you have in Last stand

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how long you have in SW

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and not have to loot top right

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how long you have left in avatar

lusty grotto
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wait

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whos

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lipgloss

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i just saw the mentions

sick sentinel
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lipgloss is weep

modern brook
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No fucking way

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Weeps the bestest

unborn island
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Anyone got good WA's for Avatar, SW, SR and LS?

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Or do you Just make your own?

sick sentinel
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I use weep's weakaura bundle

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but it has not been updated for like months

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because she quit her warrior 🤣

unborn island
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Cool- I use Marok's for sb/LD and IP

lusty grotto
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why is weep lipgloss

unborn island
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Idk If the spell reflect one doesn't work or if I just didn't load it

lusty grotto
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ok looks like shes left again lol

modern brook
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Mornin everyone

lusty grotto
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good morning sir

fervent harness
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endless hunger vs iron fortress?

sick sentinel
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@sick sentinel she hasn't left

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weep was taken on twitch

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and she wants to be the new twitch sensation

lusty grotto
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lies she just joined

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spit not without warrior

sick sentinel
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she even used her mic for the first time yesterday

lusty grotto
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this i didn't know

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didnt use her mic ever?

sick sentinel
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she didn't use her mic no

lusty grotto
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** y i k e r s **

sick sentinel
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it took for her a while to use it even when we 2 were in voice chat

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she cool now tho

lusty grotto
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i see, i see

dull pilot
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how offten does the world quests reset ? every 6 hours ?

sick sentinel
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8

dull pilot
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k

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thx

silver tangle
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hello people

sick sentinel
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hello

silver tangle
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can someone send me some UI's

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im not so happy with mine

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😄

sick sentinel
silver tangle
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thanks

sick sentinel
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@lusty grotto

lusty grotto
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youre dead to me weep 😢

sick sentinel
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that's harsh

flat mauve
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how higly do you guys value leach/aviod on gear? worth dropping any ilvl for the exact same piece without it?

sick sentinel
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not worth it to drop ilvl

lusty grotto
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as high as 0

sick sentinel
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it's a nice added bonus

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avoidance is pretty much useless

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I would wear the leech piece when comparing 2 items of the same ilvl but that's me meming

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the correct thing is to wear the piece with the highest haste on it

steel mauve
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Tertiaries are nice to have on gear, but you dont gear for them

willow scarab
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yeah rng

unborn island
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Does the cloak from king Rastakahn have decreased stats because of the set effect?

lusty grotto
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Traditionally set bonuses do not affect Stat allocation

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However I haven't really looked into that particular example

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I would bet on no

unborn island
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does the trash before last boss on ToS have truesight?

ionic fern
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No,you can shroud past them.

normal trellis
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Is Swirling Sands a good alternative to Deafening Crash, if I have a DC on another piece already but theyre both on the 2nd ring? Or should I rather go with 2x DC?

modern brook
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I say go 2 DC if only for consistency of advice

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Sands is like ok, crit is nice. Stats are great. Proc based crit is wholey whatever, consistent damage from 2nd DC is pretty whatever too

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Like over the course of a fight 2nd DC will be better offensicely

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The crit will be infinitely better defensively if u parry once during its uptkme

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But like that's some super detailed min maxing that isnt particularly useful to consider, imo

normal trellis
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Alright.. tought so. Was breaking my head over it..
Its a 415 to upgread from my 400 which make me replace 1x Brace for Impact.
But I feel like the 15 ilvls are worth losing BfI for DC.

regal saddle
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I was in same situation and just flipped a coin

sick sentinel
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I would go sands tbh

tepid dagger
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Someone link 8.1.5 class changes? Someone mentioned demo lock nerfed but I can't find anything

sick sentinel
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We don't have them yet

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Pay a close attention to #news for when they pop up

sturdy trench
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soo

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dumb question but how does leech work

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10% leech 10% heal of dmg dealt?

sand egret
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yup

sturdy trench
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soo a prot warr doing 100k dps

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heals 10k hps

sand egret
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with 10% leech, sure

sturdy trench
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hmm cause im rocking 13% leech right now

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and im curious if i run 3 bloodsport traits

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and push it 15%

sand egret
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sounds pretty testable yourself

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😃

sturdy trench
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sounds prety OP tbh

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dunno how its gonna be in practise

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cause im dropping 5 ilvls/2 sockets for that

brisk ferry
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oh god, please dont do that

sturdy trench
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well im meeming tbh;p

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but it would be funny for once

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prot warrs to beat healers in healing

sand egret
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do a M+ and post your healing logs lol

sturdy trench
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y ill do it

sand egret
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should also get your answer on leech itself (i'm not 100% if it DR's in anyway, tbh)

sturdy trench
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but guys potentially 15k hps with a 425 diamond

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and the 10k bnloodpsort healing

west kayak
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Topping healing meters was last x-pack.

brisk ferry
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15khps if ur doing 100k dps

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if the math even works out

sturdy trench
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ye it will be insane for aoe

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sucky for small packs or without avatar

brisk ferry
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definitely test, and let us know

sturdy trench
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are there any leech socket/enchants?

sand egret
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siphoning

brisk ferry
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Siphoning on wep

sand egret
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this is the reason you see high r.io's messing with siphoning btw

sturdy trench
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+im also running bonded souls

sand egret
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on massive reaping packs, your dps gets high enough with damage intake not scaling as high

sturdy trench
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hmmm

sand egret
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Does it outweigh what you lose is the bigger question

sturdy trench
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if i dont get one shot

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or my hp flops too much

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could be viable

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or just a meme xD

sand egret
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well in reaping, a lot of the damage comes from a) getting hit by shadow smash (avoidable) b) gravebolts (interruptable) and c) Reap Soul (dispellable). Avoiding those, your damage intake isn't huge so there's probably a point where you get good benefit from leech at certain levels/sizes of pack

brisk ferry
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shadow smash being avoidable is true, although sometimes not true

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buggy af

sick sentinel
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It's memes

tepid dagger
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24k overall in freehold 11 last night was meme enough lol, who needs healing parses

sick sentinel
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But good as long as you pull a pack along with reaping

brisk ferry
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24k dps or hps?!?

tepid dagger
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dps

brisk ferry
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okk lol nice

tepid dagger
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yeaaaaaa hps be a bit crazy

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#NotABloodDK

brisk ferry
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well I had a weird experience last night, was hoping someone else had similar experiences

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18k hps total in TD11

sick sentinel
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Did you do cannon?

brisk ferry
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no

sturdy trench
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well with diamond lace/rezan u get passively 10k hps

brisk ferry
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yeh bunch of us discussed it this morning, it was just an absolute shit healer and I was just doing all I could to not die

sturdy trench
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so together with bonded souls 15% leech

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im aiming for 20k

sick sentinel
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Yellow mobs

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Is there any weak aura that would show me how much DR I get from block against current target with K values and everything ?

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Victory rush

brisk ferry
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yeh a lot of VR + SW

sick sentinel
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That's it

brisk ferry
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figured

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and let me tell you, I can express how terrible this resto druid was

sick sentinel
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A victory rush during last stand

sturdy trench
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maybe guys

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this is the way

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to place

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with disc priests

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finally

warm plinth
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Prism + rezan = 10k hps seems like an embellishment. Isn't it like a 10-12k shield each time?

weary thorn
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you need less words per 'enter' key stroke

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stack your sentences vertically

sturdy trench
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i never considered

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it to be a problem

brisk ferry
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I use Prism + Rezan, dunno if I hit passive 10k hps tho

sturdy trench
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@weary thorn

warm plinth
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I mean, thinking about it logically, it's definitely nowhere close to 10k HPS

weary thorn
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just for the aesthetic

warm plinth
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10-12k shield even every 5 seconds would be ~2k HPS, not 10

sturdy trench
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i mean in total

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it adds up to 10k

sick sentinel
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a 400 prism

warm plinth
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How does it add up to 2k? 2k is 2k is 2k

sturdy trench
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with bloodpsport and ls

crisp pecan
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hey guys is ablative shielding trait any good?

sick sentinel
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@crisp pecan depends

warm plinth
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Oh, okay; you just said rezan+prism before

sick sentinel
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if you are good at the game it never procs

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if you are still learning the spec it procs all the time

crisp pecan
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or rather go for unstable flames?

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im average

sturdy trench
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flames

sand egret
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sees crit

crisp pecan
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😄

sand egret
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😁 n

sick sentinel
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I would go unstable flames

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because I am a crit junkie

sand egret
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but yeah, it's more a matter of "how often do you find yourself dipping below 40%"

sturdy trench
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crit is super good for m_+

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prolly better than mastery/vers

sick sentinel
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eh

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not exactly

crisp pecan
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OKie, next quesdtion, is strenght in numbers worth stackingg?

sick sentinel
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eh

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it's an okay trait

crisp pecan
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i have 2

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should i go for that or replace?

sand egret
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🤔 I bet SiN follows the RP rules...

sick sentinel
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prepare yourself for the answer

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depends

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what do you mean blade

warm plinth
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How does SiN work? Isn't it just max health? Not HP?

sick sentinel
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max health but also heals you for the same amount I believe

sand egret
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it's a flat shield that is multiplied by the number of mobs

warm plinth
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Oh okay

sand egret
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up to 5

sick sentinel
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wait

sand egret
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isn't that it

sick sentinel
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it increases max health

sand egret
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or am i totally derping

sick sentinel
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blade

warm plinth
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Oh I thought SiN was a last stand effect but without the heal

sick sentinel
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you are thinking of bulwark

sand egret
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AH

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yes, i am

warm plinth
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Since it doesn't say that it heals the HP

sick sentinel
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bulwark of the masses

crisp pecan
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strength in numbers or earthlink?

sand egret
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EL gives me deeps

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and i love me some deeps

sick sentinel
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^^

crisp pecan
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blood siphon is meh, right?

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same as impassive visage

sick sentinel
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impassive visage is bis for mplus

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literally the best trait you can get

crisp pecan
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rly? lel

sick sentinel
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you can't cpmpare those 2 though

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one is a middle and the other is an inner

crisp pecan
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blood siphon or elemenatl whirl then

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sorry for these, just reforging my items 😄

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aim is only M+

sick sentinel
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I would go blood siphon

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procs are worse for tanks than procs

opal fiber
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knot/rezan's /vial in M+? the highest keys i run currently is between 10-12 so am trying to focus on damage mostly. knot/vial are 400 and rezan is 385 w/socket

sick sentinel
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rezans+knot

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if you have any higher proc trinket you should replace rezans

umbral forge
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Kaege my guild seems to be disbanding deswind

sick sentinel
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lol

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grats

opal fiber
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dont...just on use. and diamond

sick sentinel
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use diamond

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+knot

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wait

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what ilvl is diamond?

opal fiber
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400

sick sentinel
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diamond+knot

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and farm either a rezan's or if you are cheeky and want big damages farm WCM for the gore block

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double on use is not bad, it is only bad if knot is one of them

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the idea of double on use is to have one every avatar

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but knot is up every avatar anyway

opal fiber
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k

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ty

crisp pecan
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@sick sentinel with impassive and intimidating presence i really should select impassive for m+? 😄

sick sentinel
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yes

crisp pecan
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oki

sick sentinel
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presence is not that good, it is just better than some shitty ones

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like self reliance

crisp pecan
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self reliance should be removed

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waste of slot

stoic pilot
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I have a question for mythic grong, if it's triple rending bite and you're taking throw with 1 stack of rending granted you'll spell reflect, do you need an external for this or a personal every time or will a good IP always be enough to cover it

sick sentinel
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you are not going to get triple bite multiple times in a row, a fat IP and a SW will probably work

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a bark will not hurt tho

stoic pilot
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So basically shield wall would be used in those moments, since outside of the combo it's not that bad

sick sentinel
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yeah

stoic pilot
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Okay, thank you. Still trying to learn warrior and I noticed it's a lot more unforgiving than what I'm used to playing <_<

sick sentinel
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warrior is a punishing but rewarding if you play correctly

brisk ferry
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yup definitely agree

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you can really feel when you're getting better at it

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and same goes for when u fuck up

frozen ember
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My healer friend week 1 "dude you are so hard to keep up", by week 3 "dude you take like no damage". It feels really rewarding to get better at. A lot more engaging (to me) than simply keeping ironskin brew up

brisk ferry
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I came from the same boat

narrow abyss
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Was that this patch

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I dk I feel like warrior got easier but I can’t tell if I just got used to it and better

lusty grotto
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Hohoho

sick sentinel
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I like ironskin more because it's optional

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change my mind

wary gyro
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They removed IP from gcd which helped the way warrior feels a lot imo but we didn't really get that much stronger

lusty grotto
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Weep, you turned your badge in

sick sentinel
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IP being something you actually cast now definitely made warrior stronger

lusty grotto
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No more warrior talk

late cedar
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5 rings helped us more than others too

narrow abyss
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Wait weep is still here?

sick sentinel
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temporarily

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kage asked me to return

lusty grotto
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Teamchip is doing great ty for asking

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👌

sick sentinel
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what's teamchip

lusty grotto
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Youve forgotten everything

oblique garnet
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teamchip is ded

lusty grotto
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😢

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Late killed it

oblique garnet
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Yup

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Like i killed my team

sick sentinel
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I wasn't here for teamchip

lusty grotto
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You abandoned teamchip

sick sentinel
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I'll play

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I'm on area 52 again

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@lusty grotto

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just not warrior

signal plover
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What new circlejerk is this

daring marlin
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run paw

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very far

sick sentinel
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none of you understand

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Nimchip was the only one there for me when I was banned from Limit

lusty grotto
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Lol

neon tangle
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@narrow abyss honestly warrior isn’t the hardest to play

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It’s just punishing if you make mistakes

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DK / Monk have more complex rotations/resources/mitigation but the punishment for messing them up isn’t as bad

stoic pilot
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Yeah I came from DK and it kind of felt like even if I did screw up I didn't die like I do on warrior lol.

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This is pre nerf DK though so, dunno about if that statement is the same in BoD

red wedge
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i dont think dk is complicated at all.. it's way easier than prot warrior. I spent most my time on my bdk just sitting around waiting to cast a death strike.

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Keep ossuary up, death strike after taking a big hit. other than that, there's nothign to bdk.

neon tangle
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@red wedge What are the rules for not wasting BS charges

red wedge
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Dont cast over 6 stacks, unless under 5 seconds.

stoic pilot
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lol

neon tangle
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While keeping 3+ runes on CD, while not overcapping RP

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and while having to correctly time your DSs

red wedge
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That's resource management

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not BS management

neon tangle
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not that it's -hard-, but it's certainly more -complex-

stoic pilot
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6 stacks if you have bones of the damned* 7 if you don't iirc

red wedge
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dont think i ever bothered with bones.

neon tangle
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@red wedge Warrior is "press your highest priority ability, keep up SB"

red wedge
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i think i might have a bones on my bdk because of ilvl azerite and shitty trait choices otehrwise

lusty grotto
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Every single time, you trigger the bdk

neon tangle
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@lusty grotto That's what I'm here for

lusty grotto
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Mmhmm

red wedge
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i just think bdk is stupid easy compared to warrior.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

stoic pilot
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^

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But I've also never mained warrior and I've had DK as a main on and off since cata

oblique garnet
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Warrior is pretty easy too tbh

neon tangle
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@red wedge I'd argue it's less -easy-, but far less punishing, playing my DK perfectly involves more plate spinning, I'm not punished as much for getting it wrong though

red wedge
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Yea. I can get behind that.

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I've been going back and forth from bdk and warrior since draenor.

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Warrior has always been my favorite class overall since vanilla.

neon tangle
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I've flipped between classes a ton, generally land on one that feels right for an expansion

stoic pilot
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You're on dk now sadbox?

red wedge
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I play whatever feels the most fun to me..

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between warrior and bdk... lol

neon tangle
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@stoic pilot yeah, I main BDK now

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was prot warrior for Uldir

sand egret
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i dunno, I prefer to suffer when I tank

stoic pilot
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So reverse of me lol

neon tangle
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I'm the anti-FOTM

sand egret
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that's why I rolled a monk

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zzziiing

exotic spoke
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Warrior for life

sand egret
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(but seriously, pug a key as a BrM with a bad healer....it's quite literally suffering)

red wedge
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my guild made me go bdk for uldir

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kicking and fkin screaming

neon tangle
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@stoic pilot My reasons for playing BDK mostly revolve around my preference around the playstyle, I prefer the slower pace, less GCD capped, "big" feeling buttons

red wedge
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Mmm.. Bonestorm in a huge M+ pull.

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pre-nerf 😛

lusty grotto
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🤢

exotic spoke
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The only reason my guild would make a tank swap is if the player was terrible at that class / spec after they wanted to swap to it

stoic pilot
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Yeah I feel ya, BDK is a ton of fun. I've just been playing it for the entirety of legion / bfa and I was curious of other tanks

exotic spoke
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Had to make a DH swap to Druid in legion

stoic pilot
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I really hated BRM (for some reason) but prot is so much fun lol

red wedge
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My guild has a lot of really messed up ideas.

lusty grotto
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Prot since vanilla boysss

red wedge
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And forcing players to play certain classes because they think it's better was one of them.

lusty grotto
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Fuck rerolling

neon tangle
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@exotic spoke My guild was pretty explicit that they didn't expect / need me to swap even though warrior was "bad"

red wedge
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Yea.

exotic spoke
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Oh I didn’t mean you sadbox

stoic pilot
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My guild was like hey u need a brm geared up mid uldir 😭

exotic spoke
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More responding to racial

stoic pilot
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meta slaves

lusty grotto
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Sadbox don't backpedal man, you bdk'd hard during uldir

exotic spoke
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If you’re not going for world first it doesn’t matter

stoic pilot
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^

red wedge
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See

neon tangle
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@lusty grotto shhhhh

red wedge
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My guild thinks they're WF material

lusty grotto
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Also warrior was fine for uldir

wary gyro
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My guild ran a prot warrior and vengeance dh in uldir

neon tangle
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We were done with progression when I swapped

exotic spoke
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What have you all killed so far racial?

sand egret
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well at least we know that Nim has been this bad since Vanilla as well

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zzzzzing

exotic spoke
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Lol

red wedge
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We're nowhere near WF material. They just think they are. lol.

exotic spoke
#

Shots fired

lusty grotto
red wedge
#

We were 7/9 uldir, I think. I quit at 4/9 because they were driving me insane.

#

We just downed opulence last night.

exotic spoke
#

Ahhh

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We’re progressing on opulence. About 50 pulls into it. Started getting to opulence more cleanly - only 2 / 3 deaths

red wedge
#

Yea. Our biggest issue was the gauntlet, and people screwing each other on the swaps.

#

But once we started getting to p2, it wasnt that bad.

exotic spoke
#

I think if we get there a few more times that cleanly (or cleaner) we have it

red wedge
#

They made me swap to warrior when we were 2/9 Uldir because "grip will be usefull on zekvoz adds"

#

er

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swap from warrior

narrow abyss
#

Wiped 3 hours last night on gauntlet

#

I’ve seen things

wary gyro
#

Uh what

red wedge
#

I mean.. We wiped on opulence for 3 weeks-ish

lusty grotto
#

Dodging things hard

wary gyro
#

Grip on zekvoz adds the fuck

red wedge
#

Yea

#

i know

#

"kicking and screaming"

lusty grotto
#

Lul

oblique garnet
#

In uldir i got the ”Ew warrior tank” treatment before my first raid and then got the oh youre actually good at the game

lusty grotto
#

As everyone here should have gotten

red wedge
#

When we were wiping as 2/9M Uldir, they were forcing people in the guild to roll rogues for the zul cheese.

narrow abyss
#

LOL

wary gyro
#

Wow

red wedge
#

like.. bitches what

narrow abyss
#

MINE TOO

#

we didn’t even get to zul

red wedge
#

yea

lusty grotto
#

Jesus christ

narrow abyss
#

Before tier ended

#

LOL

oblique garnet
#

We did the zul with the rogue cheese

lusty grotto
#

I would have left that guild asap

oblique garnet
#

Never have i hated tanking raid boss so much

lusty grotto
#

Fuck that shit

dense flame
#

Lol. So this may be a really dumb question. How do I bind markers and target markers.

#

Never really cared about it as a dps.

oblique garnet
#

Go to keybindings

lusty grotto
#

It is a dumb question

#

But we got you fam

sand egret
#

worst part about 8.1. People stopped thinking warriors suck so I get less heart-warming compliments from pugs.

narrow abyss
#

/Tm 1

#

I think

oblique garnet
#

I just use a weakaura to mouseover targets that marks automatically

red wedge
#

The only reason I didnt leave the guild permanently is because I have RL friends in there still.

narrow abyss
#

2,3,4,5 blah blah

lusty grotto
#

I just have f5 through f10 perma binded to marks

red wedge
#

/wm i thought?

chilly brook
#

Did I miss a discussion about playing inferior tanks over prot warrior?

red wedge
#

for world marker

narrow abyss
#

There’s a fantastic WA for auto marking anything that casts and high priority marks

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For m+

oblique garnet
#

@sand egret nah people still thought warrior was shit in 8.1

sand egret
#

at the start mebbe

chilly brook
#

That’s because people are retarded

narrow abyss
#

Yeah but all the BDK streamers are now prot warriors

dense flame
#

Mind pm that WA to me puzzle?

oblique garnet
#

Trust me

red wedge
#

All my world marks, and target marks are bound to my num pad 0 for clear, then 1-8 for targets, ctrl+1-8 for world marks

narrow abyss
#

So

lusty grotto
#

I still get compliments @sand egret

sand egret
#

Not saying I dont

dense flame
#

Ty guys btw.

sand egret
#

but now i get the LOL WARRIORS BUFFED

#

instead

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= /

narrow abyss
lusty grotto
chilly brook
#

@narrow abyss yes because a 5% EHP buff suddenly made warrior viable lmao

sand egret
#

ugh Chef tmog

lusty grotto
#

Iron Chef Nimchip

ebon hound
#

Ranged blocks, more gcd's for claps

lusty grotto
#

There are only 2 meaningful ranged blocks in m+

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Throw rock being one

oblique garnet
#

Theres quite many actually

lusty grotto
#

Nah

chilly brook
#

@ebon hound while ranged Block is nice it didn’t make us go from not viable to viable, we’re basically in the same spot we were it’s just that people actually caught onto the fact that if you’re not braindead we’re top tier tanks

oblique garnet
#

Why are you downplaying ranged block

chilly brook
#

I’m not

empty inlet
#

what do you mean

neon tangle
#

@chilly brook also, damage

empty inlet
#

armor buff is why prot good now

neon tangle
#

so much damage

oblique garnet
#

There was literally many adds in all the dungeons that basically tore us a new one on fortified without ranged block

chilly brook
#

We’ve always had damage tho lol

empty inlet
#

the damage is bonus

sturdy trench
#

i mean ignore pain off gcd 10% 5% health double traits blocking ranged attacks vers affects ignore pain

#

dont tell me warrs didnt get buffed

oblique garnet
#

The armor buff was the least impacting buff

sturdy trench
#

these are insane buffs

empty inlet
#

the real reason why people play warrior is because they are tankier

chilly brook
#

I didn’t say we didn’t get buffed?

lusty grotto
#

Why do people always say IP off gcd

neon tangle
#

@chilly brook People just figured out how to use it

chilly brook
#

But we didn’t get as buffed as you think we did survival wise

lusty grotto
#

Christ

neon tangle
#

@lusty grotto people are silly af

chilly brook
#

In fact I’d say we took a survival hit @sturdy trench

lusty grotto
#

It's like you didn't adapt to on gcd so you feel like it's a buff to go back to it

#

🤷

chilly brook
#

I’d gladly sacrifice my EHP buff for the old DC

exotic spoke
#

I said IP of GCD purely because it felt smoother / more clean

sturdy trench
#

yes so instead of casting revenge every other gcd i casted ginore pain

#

thats a dps decrease

#

and also rage gerneration decrease

chilly brook
#

IP off gcd isn’t really a survival buff

neon tangle
#

@sturdy trench You're greatly overestimating how much rage you wasted when playing well

chilly brook
#

^^^

steel mauve
#

we got slightly buffed, ip off gcd was more QoL to playstyle than the huge buff people think it was, the rest was just small buff's we recieved, the biggest thing that helped us was a second major azerite trait and ilvl gains

neon tangle
#

It was 1-2% more rage over the course of a dungeon

lusty grotto
#

Agreed iron

chilly brook
#

^^^^^^

wary gyro
#

Even now I rarely if ever use rage on revenge

chilly brook
#

What iron said

exotic spoke
#

The best change wasn’t even directly on the warrior - it was reaping / more traits imo

chilly brook
#

And m+ playing to our strength this season

sturdy trench
#
  • on reaping
lusty grotto
#

Pretty much riki

chilly brook
#

Like Riki said

neon tangle
#

More traits, BoM, reaping making big AoE pulls easier, plus the reaping itself

sturdy trench
#

but dunno hoiw many of u played high keys before the buff

lusty grotto
#

Big pulls make us shine

empty inlet
#

reaping actually feels bad on warrior

chilly brook
#

Prot is literally the same boat it was in for 8.0 with possibly a little less overall survivability

steel mauve
#

warriors has always scaled well, so it was only a matter of time until ilvl gains just made us huge, especially on shields, and the second major trait really buffed us more than most

sturdy trench
#

u could get one shot once u charge into a lot of mobs

chilly brook
#

@sturdy trench a lot of us did....

oblique garnet
#

Reaping?? Bad on warrior???

#

What

sturdy trench
#

during fortified weeks

chilly brook
#

Yea make sure you have block 4head

lusty grotto
#

As you can now... If you don't know how to play or pull

exotic spoke
#

How is reaping bad on warrior?

chilly brook
#

^^^

sturdy trench
#

u mean last stand 5head

chilly brook
#

Or block....

#

Lmao

oblique garnet
#

Reaping is only bad on warrior if your healer doesnt dispel you

chilly brook
#

And save last stand for gaps

sturdy trench
#

try play +20 pre buff ^^

exotic spoke
#

Shout for the party, thunderclap, avatar, demo, booty clapping time

sturdy trench
#

GL!

#

with ur block

oblique garnet
#

I did

chilly brook
#

Pretty sure people did....

oblique garnet
#

Sense did aswell

chilly brook
#

Several people in this discord.....

empty inlet
#

have cd on dispel and you have 0 things that can help you on reaping

#

compare to other class

oblique garnet
#

Shockwave

lusty grotto
#

Wtf lol

chilly brook
#

Just like several of us did just fine in Mythic Uldir prog

neon tangle
#

@empty inlet mass grip?

oblique garnet
#

150-250k dps

sturdy trench
#

people forget easilyu

oblique garnet
#

🤔🤔

chilly brook
#

No we didn’t forget lmao

exotic spoke
#

Then the healer is likely dispelling too early

chilly brook
#

We just knew how to play

oblique garnet
#

But yeah sure reaping is bad for warrior

neon tangle
#

@empty inlet sigil of chains? ursol's vortex?

lusty grotto
#

Don't feed the troll

empty inlet
#

its bad compare to other class

analog swift
#

Also regarding prot buffs

oblique garnet
#

Not really

analog swift
#

I think this is the biggest thing. Azerite gear is WAY more available

neon tangle
#

First boss in mythic dropping a shield

analog swift
#

I re rolled from prot last tier because DC didn’t drop from raids

sturdy trench
#

ok so go and check S1 BFA and see how many warrs did +20

chilly brook
#

DC wasn’t hard to get last tier

sturdy trench
#

NONE

#

even after the buffs pre 8.1 raid

chilly brook
#

I think you’re high

oblique garnet
#

Yup definitely high

analog swift
#

I mean unless you wanted world quest level pieces (only scaled to normal for awhile) you just had to cross your fingers in your cache

empty inlet
#

youre forgetting they nerf the shit out of dk

chilly brook
#

370 DC was just fine

analog swift
#

Right but that wasn’t available til what halfway through the patch?

neon tangle
#

They didn't nerf the shit out of DK

#

you're drink af

empty inlet
#

bonestomr nerf armor nerf

#

lol

chilly brook
#

And I made due with a 340 DC before that

lusty grotto
#

Stop feeding the troll

analog swift
#

Of course you could “make do”

neon tangle
#

Nobody in 20's is face-tanking >5 mobs because of bonestorm

chilly brook
#

And then a 360 from pvp chest

exotic spoke
#

How much did they nerf bdk armor?

analog swift
#

When did I say you couldn’t

steel mauve
#

they mathed it out and the nerf on dk's alsot wasnt as big as people think

lusty grotto
#

Guy is an idiot

analog swift
#

I said that’s a buff

oblique garnet
sand egret
#

Biggest thing the changes did was made average warrior play more viable.

chilly brook
#

I’m just saying the ilvl difference of a 340 to 370 DC was minimal

#

You just wanted the trait

analog swift
#

Now you can get a dope chest piece and shield from pigging mythic.

exotic spoke
#

Only if it drops sad face

analog swift
#

Right but now being able to get a mythic piece right off the bat is in effect a buff

neon tangle
#

@exotic spoke it was ~1% EHP from armor, 1-2% armor DR loss

chilly brook
#

I guess...

exotic spoke
#

That’s so minor lol

chilly brook
#

But I don’t really think so

exotic spoke
#

But that’s the same for a lot of classes

analog swift
#

Depends on the traits

#

So like blood dk has shit traits

exotic spoke
#

When you have great drops off the first couple bosses and it is accessible and helps all classes that’s not a buff

neon tangle
#

wait, math wrong, 4% EHP loss from armor

chilly brook
neon tangle
#

anyways, bigger was WotN which was more or less a EHP nerf, around 5%

analog swift
#

I mean

exotic spoke
#

Especially since titan residuals is a thing

analog swift
#

Obviously

neon tangle
#

not -tiny- but far from nerfed in to the ground

empty inlet
#

wotn was meh

#

the 15% armor nerf was yikes

oblique garnet
#

Eh you can still keep 50%+ uptime on demoshout

analog swift
#

I don’t know why you’re purposely missing the point

#

Prot warrior has some of the best traits for tanks right now

exotic spoke
#

Because i disagree with the point you’re trying to make?

analog swift
#

The fact that it’s easier to get with residuum

#

Makes t a buff

chilly brook
#

I think it’s just more nuanced than you’re making it

oblique garnet
#

Warrior got one new trait

neon tangle
#

@exotic spoke anyways, lala is drunk, the "15%" nerf was for base armor, when a -big- chunk of DK armor comes from bone shield which isn't effected by the base armor nerf

analog swift
#

Griff not Riki

oblique garnet
#

Which is bis for m+

neon tangle
#

so it ended up at way less than 15%

oblique garnet
#

The other traits have stayed the same

exotic spoke
#

@neon tangle that makes sense

chilly brook
#

Our traits are literally the same

#

Except for BoM and DC

analog swift
#

Ok

chilly brook
#

And all our traits are good

analog swift
#

Warriors have better traits than other tanks

#

And now we have two

chilly brook
#

So it wasn’t a huge deal to not get ideal traits

analog swift
#

And they’re easier to get

neon tangle
#

@exotic spoke also, while not -great-, armor nerfs are minorly less bad for DKs since some % of the extra damage you take will get healed by DS

chilly brook
#

I think you’re overvaluing the traits tbh

oblique garnet
#

Imagine

brisk ferry
#

I think Monk have fantastic traits

chilly brook
#

It was literally you need 1 DC and the rest was just ilvl

oblique garnet
#

Bastion of might is nerfed by 50% of what it was in ptr

red wedge
#

bdks had the worst traits out of any tank.

analog swift
#

Yeah monk traits are good too

neon tangle
#

^^^^

#

rip BDK traits

exotic spoke
#

That makes sense sadbox. When we received our hp and armor buff people in my guild were like “oh that’s a huge change “

lusty grotto
#

Hey, now that weep is back, I wonder where Mactier is

red wedge
#

Thank god they added bloody runeblade. At least there's one trait that you look forward to getting.

lusty grotto
#

I miss his pre 8.1 dps screenshot

brisk ferry
#

no, it is also dogshit

oblique garnet
#

What prenerf?

weary thorn
#

bloody runeblade is not really worth anything

red wedge
#

It's better than the nothing we had before.

oblique garnet
#

The puny 110k?

weary thorn
#

you take it if everything else is even more dogshit

lusty grotto
#

Autocorrect

#

Yeah late, but it was funny

oblique garnet
#

Nim you wanna see something fun

exotic spoke
#

I like fun things

empty inlet
#

marrowblood Pepega

lusty grotto
#

Sure

weary thorn
#

the most asked question in archerus: marrowblood or deepcuts??

#

flip a coin, they both suck

#

lol

brisk ferry
#

^^

red wedge
#

haha

empty inlet
#

darkee said marrowblood is good 🤔

chilly brook
#

‘Member when everyone at the beginning of Uldir was like “prot needs self healing”

oblique garnet
empty inlet
#

what dungeon were you doing

brisk ferry
#

maybe I should've kept my DK since gambling any 415 piece wouldn't have mattered 😅

oblique garnet
#

15 fh

#

This week

weary thorn
#

Marrowblood can literally only be good when compared to shit like deepcuts

#

which is gross

red wedge
#

I run a 10 on my bdk each week. That's the extent of play it's seen over the past month.

oblique garnet
#

Thats with defensive traits and trinkets too🤔

red wedge
#

Since I got to go back to warrior. 😄

brisk ferry
#

I ran a ton til I swapped to warr

empty inlet
#

ya used to play dk i like the control in dungeon but warrior is just way better

red wedge
#

I just have more fun on the warrior..

brisk ferry
#

same

exotic spoke
#

I mean warriors bring control to m+

red wedge
#

Leaps. Intercepts.

exotic spoke
#

Mobs are very easy to control when dead

brisk ferry
#

and that's actualy the correct word for the only reason I play my Warrior now, it is actually fun

red wedge
#

Just more fun to do stuff with

brisk ferry
#

to play

chilly brook
#

I’d honestly play vengeance

#

If it wasn’t a piece of trash

exotic spoke
#

Personally - warrior or I won’t play WoW

chilly brook
#

The balance needs some lookin at tbh

#

Leave warrior alone tbh

exotic spoke
#

Bring the other tanks up

chilly brook
#

^

#

Yep

exotic spoke
#

Druids especially

chilly brook
#

Riki

oblique garnet
#

I remember this discussion

chilly brook
#

Don’t make me link it again

oblique garnet
#

Except it was bring other tanks to dks level

sand egret
#

🐻

chilly brook
exotic spoke
#

I mean obviously that guy is right

#

I needed a laugh thanks

empty inlet
#

i think all tanks are playable atm cept for vengence

sand egret
#

where's Tofu at

chilly brook
#

Yw

oblique garnet
#

Vengeance is playable in raids

exotic spoke
#

There is a big difference between playable and either fun / good

chilly brook
#

@oblique garnet I kinda have a problem with modern blood DK though from a design standpoint

empty inlet
#

when i mean playable i meant 20+ keys

#

i think all class can do 20+ keys easily if played well cept dh

red wedge
#

We 3 tank a lot of stuff in bod for no particular reason.. Our 3rd tank is a dh.

exotic spoke
#

We do on first boss and probably will on coven mythic

chilly brook
#

When you wanna tank but your class is gimped

oblique garnet
#

Easily and 20 in same sentence

chilly brook
#

🙃

red wedge
#

We do for coven, and rasta

chilly brook
#

So I join a casual guild the other day

neon tangle
#

we 3-tank champs because it means you don't have to kite / run the boss around

chilly brook
#

They needed a tank for a m+

red wedge
#

at least on heroic. we had 3 pulls on coven last night, and 3 tanked it there too.

lusty grotto
#

Is it time for the quote of the day guys?

oblique garnet
#

Are we viable yet

exotic spoke
#

Do you sit on paku the whole time?

#

Racial

wary gyro
#

Why are you 3 tanking so much

chilly brook
#

One of the guys happens to be talkin about his DPS and I go “what do I get if I beat your DPS” and he goes “there’s no way a tank is gonna beat me in DPS”

red wedge
#

We 2 tank champs, but our monk always just dies because he never resets his shit.. then I have to tank everything until we kill it.

#

I sit on paku, yes.

daring marlin
red wedge
#

And then the swaps are at 2 stacks of lacerating, and just to drop the paku buff

lusty grotto
chilly brook
#

Next thing I know all I hear is “wait what the fuck how are you doing 40k?!?! Did I miss something?”

lusty grotto
#

Quote of the day done

exotic spoke
#

Ha!

daring marlin
#

40k? baby damage

#

git gud

lusty grotto
#

Babby

chilly brook
#

U right

daring marlin
#

chilly brook
#

I’m only 385 and only one BoM tho

#

Excuse me for taking a break 😜

lusty grotto
#

@red wedge you mean mythic Champs?

#

Because how is that guy not resetting

exotic spoke
#

Unacceptable griff

chilly brook
#

Lemme go kms

red wedge
#

Yes

lusty grotto
#

It's basically automatic

red wedge
#

@deep forge Yes. I meant mythic champs.

oblique garnet
#

I always tell my warlock to ss me because im too lazy ro reset

red wedge
#

Our brewmaster is kinda dumb

exotic spoke
#

Lol

red wedge
#

That's why we 3 tank some stuff.

empty inlet
#

do people zerg champion now or do they swap to ads

neon tangle
#

@oblique garnet Implying that you need to reset to not die

chilly brook
#

Although I would like to say I did hit 130k DPS before 8.1 during the middle of Uldir

exotic spoke
#

I sit on adds on mythic champs - well until we got a BfI

#

BDK

red wedge
#

We zerg champ

oblique garnet
#

I mean if im doing pugs yes i have to reset

steel mauve
#

a lot better to just sit the prot warrior on champ, just spell reflect after the big cast is done and it pretty much just resets

oblique garnet
#

If its with guild the boss dies so fast theres no point

neon tangle
#

We got a new prot warrior tank so now I'm relegated to add duty on champs

chilly brook
#

Pulled 4 packs of the mobs before Zul and pumped big boi numbers

exotic spoke
#

I mean yeah obv

red wedge
#

I take the first crusader to the side. We murder the two priest with the boss. Then I tank the next set of adds to the side while the boss is nuked.

neon tangle
#

because of my "ranged interupts" and "grips"

lusty grotto
#

I mean stacks just fall off due to prayer

red wedge
#

Usually around 10% is when the brewmaster dies, and I have to tank everything for a minute.

lusty grotto
#

That's a special type of stupid

chilly brook
#

How do you die as a BrM

#

Like honest question

red wedge
#

i dont know

#

he used to be a paladin

neon tangle
#

maybe magic damage

red wedge
#

but he would get instagibbed on grong.

#

So he swapped to brm

oblique garnet
#

Huh?

red wedge
#

and i mean just from a single smash. not two

#

he'd just die to one

chilly brook
#

I wish people would stop rerolling to a “better class”

red wedge
#

and i dont know how

chilly brook
#

That’s how we get bads

#

And stupid statements

neon tangle
#

@chilly brook TO be fair, rerolling to BrM is not a bad idea if you want to just smash your keyboard

chilly brook
#

Like no prot warrior doing a +20 pre buff

steel mauve
#

sounds like just a shitty player trying to blame the class and play a "better" class, but a shit player on one class is a shit player on another one

chilly brook
#

^

red wedge
#

@steel mauve You're right.

#

He is just a bad player.. but he's improved a ton since we recruited him.

neon tangle
#

@steel mauve I had a BDK in my guild who wanted to swap to prot pally because they thought it would be easier

chilly brook
#

@neon tangle if you don’t learn to play it doesn’t matter what class you play lol

red wedge
#

And we're progressing in mythic.

#

So /shrug

empty inlet
#

i wish my class can reflect 10% of boss's hp in temple spell_reflection

neon tangle
#

@chilly brook disagree! Some classes are more friendly to not giving a fuck

chilly brook
#

Going from a reaction tank to a proactive tank and thinking it’ll be easier :pepega

steel mauve
#

if you want easier from a bdk go monk, pally isnt completely easier imo

red wedge
#

I just like tanking in general.

long tinsel
#

Amen

red wedge
#

He went from Pally to BrM.

neon tangle
#

Oh it's 100% not easier, he just got wrecked too hard on m jaina and wanted to blame not-himself

red wedge
#

I went from Warrior to Bdk to Warrior

neon tangle
#

I mean h jaina

chilly brook
#

I like tanking in general I just can’t be bothered to gear another tank besides prot

neon tangle
#

Implying my guild could get to m jaina lol

red wedge
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That's my problem @chilly brook . Me so lazy

chilly brook
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I just don’t enjoy getting clapped half the time

steel mauve
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so far ive raided on my warrior as my main, but also my pally and warrior just feels so much better to me

chilly brook
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Granted I haven’t touched bear since 8.1

outer dew
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Took me one night to gear my bear

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But I got the bois

oblique garnet
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It doesnt take long to gear up characters

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One day of doing keys

red wedge
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Yea. The only reason my warrior got geared up so quick is because my main keys group had 2 other plate wearers before they quit.

oblique garnet
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Few days of the ap grind

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And youre golden

chilly brook
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And DH would be an easy motivation to get gear but uhhhhh they’re wet tissue paper and it doesn’t matter how fun the class is if it’s just not fun to play because you get clapped

outer dew
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I mean

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I'm sure people just talk ptoa of smack

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As bear I feel fine

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I'm sure DH isnt as paper as people say

chilly brook
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Bear is fine

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It was somewhat fine in 8.0 but not where it should have been

oblique garnet
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Its so easy to gear up characters which is why i have everything except pala at 395+ atm

neon tangle
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@outer dew I think I'm going to level a pally tank

chilly brook
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Nihilo is proof that bear was ok enough in 8.0

outer dew
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A friend leveling up a shaman

neon tangle
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because zandalari

outer dew
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So I might gear up a DK/Monk/Pala

chilly brook
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@oblique garnet how do you do it?

neon tangle
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the pally mounts for them are great

chilly brook
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Because I’m struggling getting this pally geared

oblique garnet
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@chilly brook bored

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And m+

lusty grotto
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You should Def do VDH @outer dew

chilly brook
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No one ever invites my pally ☹️

oblique garnet
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Cuz you took a break

outer dew
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i'd have to level from 98

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for a DH

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lmao

lusty grotto
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Nimchipadin could use runs

oblique garnet
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Also i have group of friends who i do keys with

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And we all have bunch of alts so we just rotate

frozen ember
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any ideas for how to handle those minions of zul in KR without a priest?

sick sentinel
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Just do what I do

outer dew
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did

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you just ask

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as a fear immune class

lusty grotto
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Clap them @frozen ember

oblique garnet
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@frozen ember berserker rage and clap

outer dew
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how to handle minions in kr?

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LOL

chilly brook
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I’m actually convinced that people just aren’t willing to take anyone who’s gearing up even if they’re perfectly capable of doing the content

empty inlet
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root them

lusty grotto
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Or be a bloodelf

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Or purge

frozen ember
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thanks

outer dew
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nah

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griff

chilly brook
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Had a guy in this guild I joined set a 390+ requirement on a +9

outer dew
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you overreacting

neon tangle
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I honestly don't know of a way that isn't belf since horde is nothing but belfs

outer dew
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it's all about IO

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when my bear was 370

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because main was 2k

lusty grotto
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Griff add me up I'll do keys with chipadin

outer dew
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i was getting into 10's

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lol

red wedge
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I think priests get a mass dispel or something

chilly brook
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You gotta do m+ to get an io thats part of the problem lmao

red wedge
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Might just be a myth

lusty grotto
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He said without a priest

empty inlet
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lower key is harder than higher key

lusty grotto
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Also zul only summons 1

empty inlet
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because of the players you play with

red wedge
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I figured they meant the two packs at the start.

chilly brook
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Finding people to push lower keys is a pain

red wedge
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And I was just making a bad joke in response to sadbox. 😛

chilly brook
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Half the time it’s toxic trash

lusty grotto
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You just clap those with brage

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Oh

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Sry woosh

red wedge
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lol its cool 😄

chilly brook
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M+ is great if you know good people

empty inlet
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^

chilly brook
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It sucks if you don’t

red wedge
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Yea

outer dew
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i mean

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from what I understand of the NA m+ scene

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once you hit the higher keys

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everyone just really stays in own clique

empty inlet
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as they should

chilly brook
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For the most part

lusty grotto
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That should be around 15ish iirc

neon tangle
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Does anyone know what happens when the goblin mission table dude gets upgraded to legendary?

empty inlet
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depending on weeks though you can pug all the way up to 19 on a good week like last week

neon tangle
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since he already have 2 slots

chilly brook
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But again if you want to actually get an IO score I’d say you pretty much need to find a good group

outer dew
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i mean

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i've pugged a good chunk of my io

opal snow
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wat r the best azerite traits for prot

red wedge
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That's definitely true in the small sample set of my guild. We have 2 main groups of people that run keys at 15+.. Then everyone else that begs to get into keys at 10+ all week that end up getting run out of sheer pity.

outer dew
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the one where you bump your literacy

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lmao

chilly brook
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I wish I had better luck

lusty grotto
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Griff ignoring chipadin

chilly brook
lusty grotto
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Feelsbadman

chilly brook
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I’m not ignoring it

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I just can’t do anything rn lol

lusty grotto
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Oh I'm at work lol

chilly brook
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I’m about to take off on my flight to home

opal snow
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ty @chilly brook

chilly brook
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I wonder if we’d get less, more or the same amount of questions like “what traits should I use” if there was like a 10 minute wait before being able to send messages and the first place people entered this server on was #268491842637660160

outer dew
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but in all honesty

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warrior discord is one of the better discords tohugh

chilly brook
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It is

outer dew
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when it comes to activity, pins, organiszation, and etc.

chilly brook
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I’m not throwing shade just a genuine thought that popped in my head

outer dew
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druid/mage/dh discords look miserable af

chilly brook
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I mean DH is the edgy server what do you expect 😜

red wedge
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This place has the friendliest community out of all the class discords I've been to.

chilly brook
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Don’t hear that too often

late cedar
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Ya all specs, warrior discord better than others I'm on

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No witch hunting kek

red wedge
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Other class discords, asking a simple question gets your head bitten off.

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Here, that only happens 1/5 times.

chilly brook
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Some people take differing opinions or facts contrary to their experience around here harshly

red wedge
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Yea

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But that's the internet.

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😃

chilly brook
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U right

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I shoulda broke out my switch for this

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They’re deicing the plane rn.

red wedge
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Man.. My coworker showed me his hacked switch. Dude has Half-Life on there, and it's actually plays well. lol

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Think he's got like 400 cracked games or something

chilly brook
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I’m not surprised

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I wouldn’t hack mine though it screws you with Nintendo’s online service

red wedge
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Yea

chilly brook
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And I actually like playing Smash

red wedge
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That's pretty much the only reason I have it. Smash and Kart with friends.

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I bought it specifically when Smash came out. 😛

chilly brook
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I happen to play Skyrim on it a lot

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🙃