I've been using block/rezan because CD on Jes' and the Use trinks are all only 385
#protection
broken roost
exotic spoke
Lol. Good luck nim. But yeah, even though it’s ranked high on icy veins still meh!
?*
lusty grotto
its ranked high because it is strong defensively
not as strong as diamond
arguably as strong as rezan
warm plinth
You talking about sporepods being ranked highly?
exotic spoke
Howler
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha
lavish oracle
2 minute CD on howler just feels bad to use
warm plinth
Just make Avatar have a 2 min CD after AM. /fixed 🙃
exotic spoke
Yeah! W... wait...
warm plinth
😬
warm plinth
What do you mean; i'm the #1 WoW theorycrafter 🤔
exotic spoke
Can’t wait for another night on opulence... and dps freaking out over getting swapped / fucking mechanics
At least it’s only our second full night on opulence
lavish oracle
To be fair, it'd probably fix the ridiculous gap in tank damage everyone is complaining about
exotic spoke
I’m just glad spell reflects damage is t logged
Otherwise the outcry would be deafening
lavish oracle
Yeah, lol
warm plinth
lol. HOW DID YOU JUST DOUBLE MY DPS IN ONE CAST
exotic spoke
Yup
warm plinth
Inb4 they pull the BFA AoE treatment on Thunder Clap. "Thunder Clap now deals full damage to the warrior's primary target and 75% to any additional targets."
exotic spoke
I did tos, and when I told them the indicator of if I reflected the cyclone or not they laughed
warm plinth
But, tank exclusive, it still does full threat to the additional targets
exotic spoke
Though I couldn’t see how much damage it did - the health bar dropped a nice amount
warm plinth
I've heard people say anywhere from 10% to 30%
exotic spoke
Yeah, it was a very nice amount
warm plinth
30% seems extreme but 10% is consistent with some other reflects like Molten Crash in Nelth
But, if you're reflecting all the cyclones at once, I could see 30%
lusty grotto
its 10% per cyclone
lavish oracle
I need to practice that shit, it still terrifies me
warm plinth
Yeah it's basically do it right and do a fuckload of damage, or do it wrong and insta-die
exotic spoke
Pretty much. I think I fucked the positioning at firstborn
warm plinth
Or play it safe and do it from farther away after they've separated I guess
analog swift
How do you do it? Just stand right in front and get them all together?
lusty grotto
yeah
warm plinth
Yeah you have to make sure they all hit you basically simultaneously
lusty grotto
just gotta understand that it does not work if he targets you and your SR will be gone if you get nuked by the other dude
wooden mesa
sr = ?
warm plinth
Spell Reflection
exotic spoke
Fuck doing it safe. Big dick dps is available
warm plinth
Exactly
analog swift
^^^
warm plinth
That's what battle rezzes are for 💪
lusty grotto
if i die, i blame the dps i assigned to interrupt
warm plinth
We just need Reflective Plating back so we don't have to rely on scrub DPS for our phat reflects
lavish oracle
Just cast SR at the last possible second and then it won't be spent on jolt 4head
oblique garnet
honestly the bosses dont do that much damage
its just the statick shock
thats terrifying
lusty grotto
this week its easy yeah
exotic spoke
On tyrannical yup
oblique garnet
90% of your hp
warm plinth
Child's play
exotic spoke
This week didn’t feel bad. Just chain pull instead of doing huge pulls
Imo at least
warm plinth
Man I feel like I missed an opportunity while we still had reflective plating. I wonder if you could spell reflect in TW Mana-Tombs first boss and hit the boss during Dark Shell and reflect the shadow damage back at him. Reflectception
warm plinth
My favorite was the 2nd to last boss of Cathedral, reflecting Chaotic Energy
warm plinth
😦 Cathedral was my favorite dungeon in Legion
exotic spoke
Maw baby! All about MOS!
analog swift
Hated it only because people would always fuck up last boss so bad
warm plinth
Eh, Maw was kind of obnoxious with quite a few affix combos though
analog swift
Ready to Two chest? Nahhhh
warm plinth
Nelth's was my favorite before Cath came out
exotic spoke
Eh, I didn’t think it was too bad
warm plinth
I still liked Maw because of the shortness of it and the boss fights were cool. But at higher levels it had a high chance of failure with PUGs
exotic spoke
Neltharion was annoying with some affixes until I figured out the pellets
warm plinth
Especially once they made Harbaron not a bitch
exotic spoke
Pelter*
warm plinth
I bet that tickled
exotic spoke
Rip
warm plinth
I'm guessing you have a group of people you run with Kaege?
warm plinth
Ah okay
empty inlet
Did they fix reflect in tos
I've heard that you can only reflect 1 cyclone strike instead of all
sick sentinel
only if it targets you
I did it today
I got blasted on the second time I tried
because I reflected jolt first
empty inlet
I meant like you know how they spread out can you reflect all 4 or 5 strikes
neon tangle
@warm plinth tbh wouldn't need magic extra threat on additional targets
empty inlet
Last time I reflected 1 and died to the other ticks I was stack on him
sick sentinel
was it targeted on you?
neon tangle
Every time people bring up nerfing warrior damage someone says "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE THREAT"
as though other tanks aren't keeping AoE threat already
warm plinth
I was mostly being facetious on the tank bonus part; I agree with you.
neon tangle
❤
distant crystal
when is someone going to make a salsa jar that's wide and short so i don't get salsa all over my knuckles when it gets low
exotic spoke
Pour it into a bowl?
slate tartan
mind = blown 😃
distant crystal
i shouldn't have to!
exotic spoke
Obviously it’s because I’m using an int weapon I can figure things like that out
slate tartan
😃
obtuse cipher
Anyone have some tips for surviving reaping? I feel like I shouldn't be getting so many stacks of the reap soul debuff. Is there some way to prevent them besides just not getting hit?
distant crystal
have them wait a bit and dispel you when you get some stacks up
obtuse cipher
Using Last Stand and Bolster won't prevent applications?
exotic spoke
Nope
distant crystal
blocked attacks still apply it
running with a shadowpriest is handy for that too
exotic spoke
Parry will I believe
distant crystal
md
exotic spoke
Just like necrotic
merry cave
Parry stops it :O 
exotic spoke
Your healer is dispelling too early then
obtuse cipher
Thank you for the feedback on that
exotic spoke
200iq talent (not really don’t take it)
obtuse cipher
Bolster is?
distant crystal
ravager
exotic spoke
Ravager
distant crystal
bolster is always chosen
wispy sparrow
is it worth dropping 410+s ring for 420 ring and 405+s ring for 415 ring if you're also dropping to 11% haste with the higher ilvl stuff
im losing almost 700 haste for the higher ilvl rings but gaining like 700 crit
exotic spoke
In general more stats > fewer stats for us
So typically that means take the highest Ilvl
wispy sparrow
yea that's my predicament
hushed sand
If i want to push high keys 20+, What should be my choice between :
-Opulence Trinket 420 Socket
-Vial 400 socket
-Gore 400 socket
-Alch 415
-R.A.G.E 415
-Rezan 400
exotic spoke
Then you drop to 11% haste
Opulence and I think alch trinket. Opulence is best survival trinket
neon tangle
R.A.G.E might be worth it to have during avatars
hushed sand
Im currently with Opulence/Rage
exotic spoke
Oh I missed rage being listed
hushed sand
Rage is nice for reaping/big pulls/mono dps
distant crystal
was wondering what happened there
neon tangle
@hushed sand You have two absolutely fabulous trinkets
distant crystal
kept seeing text shift around
neon tangle
goddamn
hushed sand
only 2 ? 😮
warm plinth
Rage isn't really a "let's stack this with Avatar" kind of trinket though, due to the build-up (and the CD doesn't line up). I'd just use it on CD to get CDs back faster, wouldn't you?
warm plinth
No it doesn't. Avatar has like a 50-55s CD with Anger Management
distant crystal
every other avatar-ish
hushed sand
Im using it every time its up and im about to pull something huge for bringing back cds faster
exotic spoke
That lines up pretty well
distant crystal
it'll be worth it to delay it a bit to combo with avatar
exotic spoke
Not great but pretty well
neon tangle
The whole run lasts 18 seconds, avatar lasts 20s, it's... pretty much perfect for avatar
distant crystal
for dmg at least
hushed sand
I mean... Are we really concerned about dmg taken...
exotic spoke
Personally I am as it means my healer can dps more
warm plinth
Idk, I'd be curious to see how many extra globals you get by using RAGE during Avatar
My gut tells me it'd be better to just use on CD, not hold for Avatar.
Unless it's close of course
exotic spoke
20 ilvls and socket over an on use
hushed sand
Its ideal to hold it for avatar, but lets be real, in keys, shit happens
exotic spoke
Truth
warm plinth
Why is it ideal to hold it? It's not increasing any damage beyond possibly granting extra globals
exotic spoke
Ayxek, are you thinking of not taking diamond?
hushed sand
Huge
exotic spoke
It is
exotic spoke
Lol
undone sun
who
exotic spoke
Eh, I’m hoping for a mythic diamond early on. Saving a token for it u til I get it. Maybe I’ll get a chance to use the token tonight
hushed sand
But we have to press a button
hushed sand
Im actually progressing on Jaina, 12% tonight, maybe she'll give me that anchor, because the HM version just dont wanna drop
warm plinth
If you had consistent 45 second Avatars, then of course you'd be lining it up with Avatar anyway, since every 2nd Avatar would align with the CD anyway.
exotic spoke
Last good pull on opulence - we got to final room with 15 people or so? Just need to get that up to 20 and it’s almost a kill
hushed sand
Depends on the run, but glick knows his shit, so his pulls are lined up
neon tangle
@warm plinth I'm more saying that you can line up your trinkets with avatar fine
vocal skiff
I spell reflected cyclone strike twice today
I was so happy lol
Joined the meme train
exotic spoke
UR is good for that too
hushed sand
Add this to the Marok WA
stable flame
so ML after the 2nd boss - getting owned. is that like all magic dmg?
warm plinth
If you can line them up, obviously you should. But for example, if I misplayed or there were gaps in my pulls and because of that my Avatar was a 60 second CD (meaning we're at 80 seconds into RAGE's CD), I wouldn't hold RAGE for 20 extra seconds to line it up with the next one unless there was a valid reason to (e.g. gaining multiple extra TCs). You'd gain more benefit from just having the haste buff rolling at maximum uptime rather than holding it for a specific period.
hushed sand
@stable flame just dont enter in this hell
warm plinth
My math there was wrong probably; I'm focusing on a few different things at once. But you get what I mean 😅
hushed sand
Fortify/Teeming/quaking in ML is like trying a 40+
stable flame
hah k
exotic spoke
Fuck those masterminds
stable flame
i thought something was up
exotic spoke
Among other things
stable flame
i got popped
neon tangle
@stable flame There are some nice routes that avoid having to kill any masterminds
hushed sand
2% popularity this week for ML
distant crystal
got a ML key in my box this week
distant crystal
mine's 15
neon tangle
you basically clear EVERYTHING before the first couple bosses
distant crystal
been dodging it so far but i'll prob do it tonight or tomorrow
neon tangle
and then death skip to the last two
distant crystal
guildy promised me his FH 18
exotic spoke
My group 2x tos, 1 TD, 1 shrine, 1 ml
hushed sand
Last week we had 5 KR
vocal skiff
ToS isn't bad
hushed sand
Kr is actually hard too this week
exotic spoke
Melarious you’re right - it wasn’t. Until I somehow leapt through the floor on the last boss
vocal skiff
I actually called it quits on KR in a pug
exotic spoke
And we had to wipe... and I couldn’t die
exotic spoke
Then, because we use invis pots we had to kill more trash
vocal skiff
Sigh
distant crystal
trying to all take the birdy at the same time so you land on the pack you skipped together xD
while also trying not to die to the other mobs you skipped at beginning
fun stuff
oblique garnet
Idk if kr is that doable on higher key this week
Theres so many unavoidable trashes on the bridge
You have to shroud + invis past some of them
oblique garnet
Did they kill jainers
distant crystal
ye
oblique garnet
Fuck now hes gonna focus on m+ and keep taking my rank 1 spot
daring marlin
ya hate to see it
vocal skiff
Also, any way to avoid the golem's fire beam initial dot in KR?
stiff star
Hey all, semi new prot warrior. For reaping is there any cds you like to save to have available? I usually do fine with avatar up but there have been a few unlucky times were I’ve gotten smacked by the huge caster groups like in SotS and TD.
umbral forge
Shrine and TD both have good options for LoS pulling during reaping. Stacking all the mobs (and casters!) At one point means a well placed shockwave should be all the interrupt you need for the casters before your DPS cleans them up.
Of course this is in a perfect world where everything goes smoothly, sometimes it's not this easy. I personally prefer having Last Stand available as well.
sand egret
best cooldown for heavy caster reaping packs is a good LoS spot. 😃 your group should have at least a few interrupts of the AoE nature (Shockwave being one) to mitigate the initial onslaught of bolts until you kill enough where manual interrupts can get them.
supple path
I've honestly never checked, is the actual nuke they do LoS'able if you move during cast?
sand egret
totally is
supple path
Corner maaaagiiiicc
sand egret
they'll finish, it'll fizzle, and they'll run
so you can totally do that
the issue is when people don't wait for the fizzle and run BACK out so it just casts again lol
stiff star
Ah ok. So I just need to be better about pre planning where to trigger reaping and making sure my group is stacked on me and out of LoS. Thanks
Always super helpful!
sand egret
yeah, a lot of reaping is getting it to happen on your terms
umbral forge
If you're doing a key where reaping exists, you can take 3 minutes to plan a route through Method Dungeon Tools (or just get one someone better than you have made) to save you & your group from 7-10 minutes of potential wiping
sand egret
^
supple path
It feels like 80% of the reaping problem in pugs is ranged dps who have religious objections to standing near the tank yeah.
stiff star
Yeah I’ve been using the paths for sure. I think once in a while we get an errant pull and it messes up percentage, so something my group just needs to work on
sand egret
yeah that you kinda need to adapt on the fly
stiff star
Marker is a great idea
sand egret
but hotkey markers both for ground and target
it's SO easy to just say at the start "Rogue you're on Square, DH you're on Circle" and then just tag your interrupts accordingly etc.
as someone who pugs exclusively, ive found this to be quite huge
umbral forge
Berating ranged DPS (or DPS in general) is the fastest way to get them to do the opposite of what you want.
Sounds like a great plan but it kills keys.
supple path
Hah, yeah, I'm mostly kidding, but oh my god they're a plague.
Amazing to me how many ranged DPS have finished dozens of 10+ keys without realizing "LoS reaping = good"
umbral forge
Wait why am I all nice and stuff I specifically came here to vent.
supple path
Because you remembered the time you told a DPS what you really thought and they left the group and ruined your key
neon tangle
@umbral forge I mean that's true of pretty much everyone in your key
supple path
That's actually why I'm thinking up macros - need some pre-canned descriptions of basic mechanics so I'm not ANGRYTYPING
neon tangle
if you berate me I'm probably going to leave
supple path
"I am spell reflecting the next nuke. Hold your interrupts on %t!" or something.
umbral forge
If you berate me I will feel really bad then do my best to do better but the shame of messing up li-
Lol wait im a Tank
supple path
then hit that maybe 40, 50 times per reflect
austere grove
Bois, how high should the block uptime be on a raid boss like jaina HC for example
umbral forge
Anyways, I was doing my friend's 10 cause he needs weekly today.
It's Shrine. I need Galecaller on my DPS alt, I ask to DPS it. We have a new tank in the guild, he has tanked a +11 shrine before, it wasn't pretty but y'know, weekly.
I go to do toilet stuff, I return and I'm summoned to ToS.
I join Discord and I hear: "Sorry I thought I had Shrine, I have ToS".
"..ok"
We start the key then in the countdown the tank goes: "I have only done this on normal dungeon difficulty so tell me if I have to do something mythic related"
💢
supple path
How'd he do?
umbral forge
we had 18 deaths before first boss
supple path
I actually laughed out loud. Nice.
umbral forge
My favorite moment was when he was knocked backwards into the first pack with the stealthed stun guy after taking 2 packs
so we had 3 packs
and in his panic he Divine Shielded so they tore us all apart
Or when we got to the room with the eyes and he asked
"Is the eye to the left or the right on mythic?"
And I realized he didn't mean normal mythic.
He had done it once.
While leveling.
analog swift
@austere grove 100% while tanking. If you’re slick you can let it fall off between casts
austere grove
well then I got a lot of work to do, ty
sick sentinel
@umbral forge how long were you in there
sick sentinel
Yes
umbral forge
sick sentinel
OH WAIT
supple path
I actually like helping guildies get their weeklies done...but those weeklies are A) gonna be 10s, and B) not in KR
umbral forge
oh, that doesn't show deaths.
We died a lot, I think 112 times
sick sentinel
You were actually trying?
umbral forge
oh hell no
we asked the paladin in the group after 1 hour
"Do you even know what Raging does?!"
"Raging?"
"The affix!"
"What are affixes?"
stiff star
Lol oh man 😂
umbral forge
So I looked at damage taken and he tended to die to volcanic.
As a melee.
Which just raised more questions
he also BoP'ed away Bwonsamdi's Bargain cause "it's a debuff so its bad"
sick sentinel
Why were you doing this again?
umbral forge
Morbid curiosity
sick sentinel
Curiosity killed the cat
mild jolt
that Hurts while reading.. the only reason why i dont tank m+ is my lack of knowledge ith pathing in Dungeons.. but that...
umbral forge
we figured that if we used a good key to help the guildies get their weekly done
We would have 3 guildies with 12's the next week
Then if they did those 12's with more guildies,
after a week every bad person in the guild would have a +11.
Then a +10.
So we wouldn't have to sacrifice our keys until.. this week.. or even join..
Which is.. why I ran the Temple. Cause they are out of 10 keys..
sick sentinel
Lol
I had long runs before
But we tested stuff
Like
Our rogues router got fucked
After shrine second boss
So we decided to fuck around
umbral forge
I'm in a very problematic situation tbh
and well
...that's kind of fucked
99 deahts
umbral forge
BfA is such a weird experience for me tbh
sick sentinel
I was helping my guild get their +10s start of the expac
Nobody wanted a prot warrior so I would get their key and made a group
People would join for the weekly"kage boosting service"
umbral forge
I've been playing at a fairly high level (not like world 200, but cutting edge before the next raid-tier) for a few years
then BfA rolls arounda nd my sister, the Guild Master of a heroic only guild begs me to help her get the guild on its feet again.
Back then I felt intimidated by the HoA grind so I just went "meh sure"
But now I think (please don't execute me) that BfA might be my favorite x-pack so far and I really want to raid CE, I want to tank Jaina on Mythic.
But this guild is stuck at High Tinker of all things. Heroic.
And if I leave the guild will fall apart and my sister is dealing with enough stress.
and yeah
thats essentially what we do
supple path
Find a guild doing mythic that doesn't care if you don't show up to heroic + raids on different times?
umbral forge
I tried.
"We don't think you can commit to both guilds at the same time, it's not a risk we're willing to make."
umbral forge
They want to raid.
They're just.. a heroic level guild, really.
umbral forge
I am the only solid tank.
And my core is 2 of the healers and the best 3 DPS
we pug the other tank
sick sentinel
Oh
umbral forge
I'm going to see if I can solo tank Grong Heroic next reset by using the Rastakhan trinket & Resto Shaman revival totem.
that's what keeps me going now
and a small hope the guild implodes so I can go join a mythic guild
we have an Unholy DK who soaks buster cannon with AMS for the runic power generation.
Sylvanas managed it, she killed hope.
sick sentinel
Sharkbait 410 without socket or sharkbait 400 with socket (one hand weapon)
supple path
410
Weapons/shields are basically never worth downgrading even 5 ilvls for a socket.
sick sentinel
is it more woth stacking 2x Brace for impact and have 0 BOM or 1 x impact and 1 x bom
supple path
For M+, zero question the BoM
umbral forge
sim it
but most likely BoM
sick sentinel
so 1x impact and 1x bom?
supple path
Probably? Depends what you're focusing on.
sick sentinel
M+
supple path
BoM is the best trait you have for M+. You'd want 3 if you could.
Though brace is still a good trait as well so yeah.
sick sentinel
oh okey thought impact was the one to go for
supple path
It's basically the best trait for raiding
shadow jetty
yes its more of a theorycrafting question regarding the stat analiys on the resource page
it has an increase for ignore pain when scaling haste
and I don't understand why
I know haste is better because of just about everything
but I didn't know it also affected IP
ebon hound
generating more rage
supple path
Not super up on that page, but I do know haste -> increased rage gen -> more IPs. Not aware of a direct impact on it on a per-cast basis though
shadow jetty
thats probably it
they may have just simplified it to calculate the increase so it could be compared
sick sentinel
It was not there in the 8.0 sheet
shadow jetty
because they have the general IP formula (AP3.5)(vers) but the added an extra *haste
sick sentinel
And it was making haste look worse than it is
shadow jetty
so it makes sense that they added it to account for extra rage from haste
sick sentinel
So he probably decided to calculate the extra rage gen
shadow jetty
thank you very much
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto honey, I'm home
umbral forge
How much is reckless flurry actually worth
Do I need more than 1 of it for this hidden meme build to be viable
warm plinth
Whoever created this stupid Devastator/Flurry meme, I hate you.
wet pike
hey dudes, i'm about to level my war alt as prot through bfa questing, planning to do lots of big pulls and aoe everything, i have 1000 wakening essences, which leg should I get ? 😄
warm plinth
Do you have any legendaries already?
wet pike
nope
warm plinth
Sephuz
wet pike
ok, proc it with shockwave?
warm plinth
Yeah, or interrupts
wet pike
k thanks
somber summit
Charging/Intercept will also proc it since it technically roots for 1 sec.
warm plinth
I was wondering about whether that would count or not actually lol
Wasn't sure if that was considered a loss-of-control effect
somber summit
Only if they aren't immune or are a friendly. Kinda ruins any on-demand from pummel/shockwave.
warm plinth
Yeah if intercept works for it, you shouldn't actually need anything else.
modern brook
sick sentinel
Which should I upgrade to 415 first the engi helm or alch trinket?
primal sable
Azerite piece sounds more important than some alchemy rock
sick sentinel
hi @modern brook
wise sun
Tradewinds or Callous Reprisal?
ebon hound
Callous
astral crystal
hot locust
It is not
jade socket
They both were
sick sentinel
when I left Max definitely wasn't
jade socket
Has been since sept
vocal skiff
If you had zero experience with BoD, and hadn't raided seriously in a long time (since cataclysm), how would you get back to the groove of things
I want to start raiding, at least heroic, but it can be intimidating as a tank
Would you pug normal/heroic to get a feeling and have some progression to show up for?
jade socket
I’d just start with normal
Don’t need to do lfr unless you are really confused about something just watching videos and just want a basic layout of things
warm plinth
I remember when @undone sun was yellow. Golden age of Skyhold 😉
warm plinth
Yep, when BfA was just a twinkle in Blizzard's eye
chilly brook
I remember when I had a bear tell me that bears have the best mitigation, most healing and least damage taken while also doing a lot of damage
😂
oblique garnet
No.
warm plinth
Hey now, bears with the balance legendaries and moonglaives did some pretty juicy DPS in Legion 😉
chilly brook
Here you go Late
warm plinth
wat
He lost me at "after you factor in heals I took 75% less damage"; am I missing something? What do heals have to do with how much damage you took?
wheat bronze
Obviously no one picked up a ruby 🤔
chilly brook
@warm plinth he’s not actually off on a weird tangent there
With dtps you can essentially take the hps of the individual and subtract it
daring marlin
I did a measly 34k on opulence
chilly brook
And arrive at a “true dtps” but it doesn’t really matter
daring marlin
Wish I could get an opal
chilly brook
The most important thing to look for with tanks imo is EHRPS
ocean acorn
can cauterize wrok on the perma kimbul dot
chilly brook
But the guy is obviously brain dead
oblique garnet
@ocean acorn engi helm? Yes
ocean acorn
thanks late
chilly brook
Just like this Druid tank that decided to pull everything in the beginning of freehold on fort week 😑
daring marlin
lol
white hamlet
Sorry @warm plinth devastator+flurry was probably my doing
Rofl it's pretty good single target though
warm plinth
lol. Damn you!
white hamlet
People saw my jaina parse and were confused
Better than defensive traits on an easy boss for sure
warm plinth
I'm not judging. I just wish people wouldn't see things in such a niche view and assume that means it's good all the time.
white hamlet
Small sample size I guess
warm plinth
True enough.
white hamlet
Everyone just jumps on whatever train is happening at the timen
warm plinth
Oh you're in Honestly eh? Are you guys doing an MDI team?
white hamlet
I'll be happy once I get my 3rd DC
I'm dq'd from this one but there should be a team or 2 in the guild
warm plinth
Oh that's a bummer
white hamlet
Would of been a fun clapping maybe next mdi I can play warrior again if they havent nerfed clap to the ground
warm plinth
Yeah, well I'm sure we'll see some warriors in this one for sure
white hamlet
I played it in mdi1 on a few maps
I think 2 out of 5 grand final games I was warrior
warm plinth
Yeah I actually never got around to finish watching the NA part of the first one.
I did watch some Honestly matches though; one of the teams I was rooting for. I actually thought Honestly was an EU team though; not sure why. Just wasn't paying attention I guess.
warm plinth
Yeah, having Reflective Plating back is #1 on my wishlist
white hamlet
2 charges would be giga
warm plinth
I wouldn't be mad XD
willow scarab
Did I hear .... opulence log 👀
white hamlet
So glad that boss got taken off ranks
willow scarab
I really wanna try out this flurry devastate build and see how it turns out
white hamlet
You press less buttons and do more damage
willow scarab
Hey since you’re here can I ask why you ran TC for jaina?
I’m really interested by it
white hamlet
Best I have atm
willow scarab
Is the execute worth it though? Did it ever cause you to die?
exotic spoke
I just read that druid post thingy...
willow scarab
I figured the dps check was just so high that you had to run it
exotic spoke
I think I have autism now
white hamlet
Nah never she does really little tank damage for the most part
After prog I went full dps and felt no change
white hamlet
Most of the time I didnt even wall the entire fight
Warriors so strong atm
Boost is a pad god
I love it
white hamlet
Competition is always more fun
willow scarab
Half the raid was dead and opulence died with adds up, everyone can see a good clap
white hamlet
I went like 4 or 5 tiers on my druid with 0 competition and it got real boring
Clap is life
willow scarab
Do you want to go back to it or are you staying with us?
white hamlet
🙏 blizzard doesnt over nerf warriors next patch
I'm enjoying warrior so much right now I have no intention of going back to druid
warm plinth
I once got a 92% parse on heroic Tichondrius the first time I ever played Brewmaster. No big deal. brushes dust off shoulder
willow scarab
Would be surprised if vdh didn’t become over buffed next tier
white hamlet
Unless they giga buff druid
willow scarab
They have to fix it somehow
distant crystal
woo broke 20K dungeon dps
warm plinth
I'm so sad about the state of druids. Been a druid since vanilla and I just get no enjoyment out of it 😦 They need buffs of some sort, but mostly they just need to make them actually fun to play.
willow scarab
Hell yeah dude grats
white hamlet
Rework guardian for sure
willow scarab
Next stop 30k
warm plinth
Moar DoTs mobs
white hamlet
Just do waycrest teeming ez
willow scarab
I’ve started just telling myself I can pull stupid big
white hamlet
Finished on 44k
willow scarab
And then I do and wave my 👏 around
warm plinth
Do you just pull huge without thinking if you'll survive and just get surprised when you're still standing at the end?
warm plinth
😂
willow scarab
Pumps complimented me
distant crystal
😍
willow scarab
I’m screenshottinng
white hamlet
Everyone's a Clapper here
next goblet
so apparently prot is one of the best m+ tanks now? am i hearing this right?
distant crystal
the best
willow scarab
There are 3150 prot warriors atm so they’re okay
white hamlet
I'd be surprised if mdi isnt at least 90% warriors at this rate
next goblet
what changes made us jump from being bottom tier to top tier? i havent been playing much tbh
willow scarab
Someone was saying prot pally is an option for mdi in a discussion earlier
distant crystal
reaping BoM and a little survivability bump
willow scarab
Damage is alright and the spam interrupt
white hamlet
Yeah for sure paladin and monk still thick
next goblet
spam interrupt?
warm plinth
Avenger's Shield + procs
white hamlet
But lower keys warrior is just too strong
warm plinth
And they have their standalone interrupt
white hamlet
Mdi is all low keys
warm plinth
What level is MDI?
distant crystal
willow scarab
At really high keys I’m feeling like prot isn’t perfect like it is in low keys
distant crystal
a sea of brown
willow scarab
You don’t just have to pump you have to actually do things
warm plinth
Didn't they do 17s the last MDI?
willow scarab
15 I think?
warm plinth
And that was the 2nd MDI right?
willow scarab
I started playing after mdi though
warm plinth
Oh
warm plinth
Wasn't the first one +20 or +21 or something?
white hamlet
Yeah just depends on tuning at the time
warm plinth
Ah okay
next goblet
shit i need to start tanking dungeons again! i now can enjoy the game!
distant crystal
it was 13s i think
willow scarab
15 feels more about dungeon talent and 20 feels more about group talent
distant crystal
the first one in BFA?
white hamlet
18s are still +2 able
willow scarab
I like TD
warm plinth
No I think the only one I watched was the first one back in Legion
How many have there been now? I didn't realize we'd had one in BfA
willow scarab
I heard oceanic won the bfa one
warm plinth
I took a break around the time the pre-patch launched and came back in like October of last year
white hamlet
The upcoming one is the 3rd one and first bfa one
willow scarab
It’s all on YouTube if you want to watch it
distant crystal
blizzcon
white hamlet
Oceanic won mdi1 which is the one I came 2nd in, EU won the mdi2
distant crystal
i think?
white hamlet
Blizzcon was all stars oceanic won that aswell
willow scarab
I must have been watching all stars
How long do I have before you push me further down oceanic ladder?
I wanna be #1 just for a day
The dps you have access to are insane
white hamlet
It's a shitty tier to rank for tanks tbh
I let blueprint get ranks 99% of the time
I dont care that much about them anymore
willow scarab
It could be even shittier but someone’s still gotta be rank 1
white hamlet
So I probs wont do them again for like another month or so
Or until someone passes me significantly
With some huge Korean pad
warm plinth
You sound like a Dark Souls speedrunner 😂
Minus the korean part
"I'm so done with this game now (after getting a world record)" someone passes significantly "Sigh. loads game"
white hamlet
Rofl yeah that's pretty true
This tier isnt too bad for ranks overall though
Most bosses dont have super pad strats yet, just the 2nd tank job is usually huge dps loss bitch duty
The key is making someone play a 3rd tank to do those useless roles
ionic fern
And let about 5 DPS'ers die on Opulence and hope your boss dies just after the adds do.
distant crystal
just need to figure out a way to get opal on a protwarr
distant crystal
we have our dhs on ruby duty >_<
white hamlet
Smart
ionic fern
Btw, you're running Deva for most ST bosses but Grong..what's up with that? 🤔
white hamlet
The pad strat for grong is to tank him on the adds and aoe them down
white hamlet
He gets 100 energy and deletes the raid 2 or 3 times
We tried about 4 times and our healers were apes so we just did normal strat and I forgot to respec
white hamlet
Yeah not quite as dangerous but pretty much yeah
Like 3 raid CDs on each
Very doable but we didnt want to waste too much time there
ionic fern
We spent 3h yesterday wiping on Rasta re-kill. 
white hamlet
I was for the first 3 or 4 kills
Did it on monk first then dk twice
Dont think I'd want to do it on warrior
ionic fern
Hmpf, i'd figure that you have SR up for most of them and stack some BS for increased IP and maybe it'll do the trick.
If not then i guess i'll also do it on my DK.
white hamlet
Nah reflect would be up for like 1/5 and you dont really get a lot of time to generate rage or reduce cds on your defensives
Its do-able but wouldn't recommend
warm plinth
Is that final % the amount of health he was left with?
ionic fern
No @warm plinth
white hamlet
Just have to be topped then rotate a CD for every one
ionic fern
I mean..i guess the other tank won't be taking too much dmg anyways so most externals should be available.
white hamlet
100%
All cds go to the soaker or sometimes the player picking up a dangerous orb
Tank damage from the boss is incredibly low
I just sat 5 stack kelped this week for the most part
ionic fern
The tank damage from bosses is low on almost all of the bosses tho..with the exception of Jadefire last phase & Mekka to some extent..:(
ionic fern
Jeap..but for some reason people think that having defensive traits in raids is way better even tho the difference isn't that big and your gameplay decides if you live or die. 😦
white hamlet
Pretty much
Think people who think defensive traits are big just may not be entirely comfortable tanking yet
ionic fern
Probably jeah..nothing wrong with taking them it's just not neccessary and the benefit of them is usually minimal (but still there).
Btw, have you played around with RF?
It's pretty decent on pure ST
white hamlet
Bit of training wheels really
warm plinth
How do you define defensive traits exactly? Like taking IF over TC? Or do you mean pure defensive traits like Bloodsport?
white hamlet
Yeah I ran it on jaina first kill, it's like 3-4% single target per trait
I'd say pure defensive
ionic fern
Jeah, i tried it on Opu Conclave and gonna try it on Grong next week with 2 stacks of it to see how it goes.
white hamlet
IF vs TC is probably only like a 2% dps loss
I'd prefer tc all the time anyway though
BFI is a good mid ground though
ionic fern
Which reminds me - you should be able to sim prot now with the nightly build - finished the APL & Mel pushed it in. It now also includes AoE/BfI/DC support.
warm plinth
TC only comes from the raid pieces though I think, so I probably will not get them at all.
white hamlet
BFI vs TC similar dps and bfi good defensive bonus st
warm plinth
So how accurate should it be now Mwahi? As accurate as any DPS sim or are there still some places where we should be cautious?
white hamlet
Fuck raid pieces just random 415 3x BoM 3x DC
ionic fern
Well, i went over the APL with Sense/Lala/Sal when doing it and they all gave it a thumbs up.
It should be pretty decent at this point. Still gotta check some Azerite traits like CR etc for bugs.
warm plinth
And trinkets are already in there as well right?
true plover
Is a +15 azerite piece always an upgrade? Could lose BoM
warm plinth
Yes
crisp pecan
Guys, this prism from opulence is good on raids only, right?
warm plinth
No, it's fantastic for M+ as well
rapid tide
It's quite nice in m+, too.
Defensively it's basically one of your best choices.
I still prefer to go gore + rezan's tbh.
ionic fern
Most of the trinkets are on-CD usage right now since that seemed to be the way to go - i'm doing some more testing on the 2m CD trinkets tho since those are the ones that don't line with Avatar that well. 1.5m trinkets line up with every other Avatar pretty decently.
crisp pecan
yet i use rezan + achemy 415
ionic fern
You can use it in m+ but the chances are that you don't NEED it and can safely go with a more offensive option.
rapid tide
Ye, that basically. I can't really think of a situation where I would value the defensive value over more offensive value of a gore.
Well... actually maybe some magic heavy dungeons this id.
Like higher key WM or sth. I dislike the dmg intake there 😄
rapid tide
Ye, that's what I meant on WM.
Oh, WM is not really exceedingly hard or anything.
But I just tend to take quite some damage there 😄
crisp pecan
easy to overpull
rapid tide
And Gore mostly for it giving juicy crit.
Which gives damage. And probably something defensive, too 🤔
If I could have 2 Rezan's I'd go that route 😄
true plover
Would you go dual on-use in M+? Feather/400Vial vs Feather and 415alch stone
warm plinth
I wouldn't if I had a choice.
rapid tide
Same 😄
warm plinth
Still stuck with 385 knot and 370 lion's strength though 😢
true plover
Feather/Alc is the alternative
rapid tide
It's not exactly hard to get into 10 groups as prot 😛
warm plinth
Yeah Feather and Alc is fine
true plover
Would that Vial ever get use? lol
warm plinth
Wait, what ilevel is the feather?
rapid tide
Mhm, why?
I mean it's not a bad trinket at all.
But I'd still go Rezan's with Socket at 400 over it tbh.
Probably even just bare bone rezan. I like Rezan.
😄
true plover
Figured that 600 mastery w/ every avatar was pretty op
rapid tide
Well it's 1 minute cd.
So it's every other avatar.
Or desynced and then every ~third
warm plinth
Vial used with every other Avatar would be pretty brutal tbh
true plover
Just waiting on a good rezan drop. I haven't had any at all.
ionic fern
Vial with x3BoM,x3DC in m+ is massive.
true plover
Yea, I have only been running my single DC. lol
ionic fern
If you go for pure DPS in AoE it's worth stacking.
rapid tide
Oh ye, I mean I get it, 3x BoM + 3x DC is nice if you can pull big, still survive and nuke.
white hamlet
Its like twice as good as any other trait for m+ dps
rapid tide
But it just feels bad to me 😄
tbh then again I am running a 0 BoM setup atm for m+ because my drops were... unlucky 😂
ionic fern
Feels bad.
white hamlet
That is a feels bad
warm plinth
Not gonna lie Nem, the Vial might actually perform better in an M+ scenario than the feather. Your Avatar with good play should be around 45-50 seconds CD, which means the feather would line up kinda weird, but Vial would close to perfectly line up with every other Avatar. I could be wrong, but I would at least give them both a try and see which works better.
white hamlet
I've got a juicer Rezans man
Not on the computer so I can't link but it's as thick as it gets
rapid tide
Got a 410 gore-crusted from weekly this time around, good enough for me.
true plover
Yea, I almost always have it up around 45s.
white hamlet
425 socket avoidance
warm plinth
Jesus
rapid tide
That's...
warm plinth
The holy grail of Rezan's
white hamlet
That's when I knew it was time to main warrior
rapid tide
😄
I really liked that post on reddit some days prior that talked about "how to rp a warrior as he is just boring".
warm plinth
Honestly I don't give a shit what I get, as long as I get something that isn't on-use.
Is the 400 alc stone the dungeon mat or raid?
rapid tide
Something along the lines of "There are people that can bend the very fabrics of nature, ignore physics, weave the arcane [...]. And then there is the warrior. He picks up an axe and says: I got this".
warm plinth
I might just suck it up and level that
rapid tide
I really liked that 😄 Feels good to play warrior.
ionic fern
Wait, why don't you like on-use trinkets?:D
warm plinth
I do like on-use trinkets. I just don't like having two of them
ionic fern
Oh, jeah - 2 of them is pretty horrid.
willow scarab
200 dungeons into this tier and I have no rezans or vial
When will the suffering end
weary nacelle
vial? The one from underrot?
zealous crest
was thinking the same and I got 415 socketed rezans
hollow thorn
i didnt evne get 415 from Jaina yday :((
zinc vessel
be me
undone sun
pass
zinc vessel
play with boomkin and shaman
warm plinth
Yikes
zinc vessel
outdps boomkin
leech free m+ score
never have to tank anything
Easy way to deal with fort :>
distant crystal
they should call it cowardly leap
hollow thorn
ok
outer dew
I prefer fortified
I like my ass getting shoved in
Not my dps getting two shot by a boss
Knew a group last week trying to do a 22 fh and had to have their rogues stam flask for first boss
Lmao
outer dew
Tbf
It's always instant deplete in high keys
Because even if fort, you gotta clear that boogey boi
Tiki looking mofo
hollow thorn
true
mortal carbon
btw is blizzard happy with the state of prot
maybe i'm switchting to tank next tier but i want to be main warrior 👀
ionic fern
Not sure what blizzard are.
CHances are they might touch our dps a bit but nothings confirmed or even hinted at it afaik.
If you enjoy prot then come on over. 😄
sick sentinel
we are happy with the state of prot 😛
undone sun
we
don't bring me into this
ionic fern
Yes, WE. You are secretly happy for prot warriors.
undone sun
😓
unkempt wagon
Is engi helm any good compared to raid ones?
willow scarab
The jade fire one is very offensive with lots of good damage traits, engi helm is s good mix so it’s a safer and in most opinions better for prog
Jaina helm is that far away and you shouldn’t use 400 when 415 is available
Engi helm has good Azerite options
In short yes but jadefire does more damage
crisp pecan
and opulence crown, is any good?
ionic fern
That's the one with Bloodsport/RF/IF on it iirc(?)
Well, i mean you could go BS/IF for defensive and BfI/RF for offensive with crown i guess.
hollow thorn
BfI/Bloodsport + IF + Whirl/Blood Siphon/SiN + IV
autumn cosmos
Honestly fortified is infinitely better, Tyrannical just caps what level key you can do at a certain point
At least fortified doesn't really do that
Dps using Stam flasks to avoid one shots first boss freehold tyrannical no ty
ionic fern
Think they only half way fixed the SR bug on Jadefire with Rising Flames btw..if you SR before he turns into phoenix it doesn't trigger Burnout on your raid..but if you SR once he has turned into a Phoenix it still seems to trigger it.. (?)
undone sun
hmmm
lucid bough
fortified weeks are most of time no pushing weeks
what you mean
In legion was the opposite, but not anymore
sick sentinel
Tyrr is push week
Fort just takes too long
And ok thyme, it's ok if you are not happy with the state of bfa prot is good though
pastel holly
anything regarding spells/things that are reflectable in myth+ where you could gain something huge, read of 1st Boss in ToS if you "position yourself right"
sick sentinel
Oh you mean the reflectable spells sheet in the #268491842637660160 ?
Yeah, very useful you should go check it out
narrow abyss
Morning folks
ionic fern
Morning.
brisk ferry
morning
last night I finished a TD+11 with 26k overall dps and 18k overall HPS
does anyone know if that is saved somewhere so I can see how tf I managed that?
the dps is fine, but I dunno how I outhealed the healer
narrow abyss
18k?
brisk ferry
yeah
narrow abyss
You got vampiric speed?
brisk ferry
it felt like some kinda bug, cause it was like every huge pull I was double his hps
oh shit, that;s fair
sec
narrow abyss
Vampiric speed is fucking nutty on reaping
When I had it right when 8.1 dropped it was like 22-25k hps
brisk ferry
hmm nope, no vamp speed on my current setup
ionic fern
What setup do you have?
brisk ferry
I was definitely smashing LS on CD though
daring marlin
prism trinket?
narrow abyss
Bonded soul?
brisk ferry
the group was absolute garbage so I had to fend for myself lol
oh I do have Prism 405
narrow abyss
I’m curious man
brisk ferry
ignore my sad IO, I dont have an consistent groups
narrow abyss
18k is a lot
brisk ferry
I will definitely check when I get home, currently at work
is that info stored anywhere within the add-on though? Cause it may have cleared when I left the group
narrow abyss
For me it keeps it
If it’s the last thing I did
Must have hit last stand and rallying cry super often
With a lot of VR haha
Traits don’t appear to lend itself well to healing
brisk ferry
I did do those things a lot
the only thing I can think of is, I feel like I play my warrior very well, and that healer was absolute shit, so I was pumping as much healing into myself as possible
like going out of my way to trigger VR
narrow abyss
Probably dumping a lot into IP too
brisk ferry
other than keeping SB up, dumping all into IP last night
narrow abyss
Ya
brisk ferry
it must've just been good timing on all the above mentioned abilities to keep myself alive I guess
I'll link details if they're still open when I get home
brisk ferry
I normally run with 2 friends and 2 pugs, but this week it's been almost all pugs
brisk ferry
I swear I'm not shit, mmy IO is not a reflection of my abilities lol
well this time last year I had my twins, and havent had a guild or group since
brisk ferry
if it's only 1 it's a breeze, my oldest was only 14 months when we had the twins
very. very. tough
weary thorn
Found out I'm likely having a girl in early september. Trying to get my gaming in now while I can
sharp dew
3 kids under 2 years old 😮
brisk ferry
nice grats!
yeah 3 under 2 haha
luckily I have a really good job, and my time is flexible
narrow abyss
Ayyyyy August here. Told my guild I’m probably good for this tier. Next tier just sit me maybe I can raid log 😂
brisk ferry
otherwise fucking big RIP
sharp dew
That’s gotta be a lot of sleepless nights haha
brisk ferry
I can count on 1 hand the amount of nights I've gotten more than 6 hours
i the past 18 months
weary thorn
ouch lol
I'm getting my wife to start her own business so she can stay home at least the first year
I should be able to swing 1 day a week teleworking here on my current contract after they option us in August
ionic fern
I feel lucky when ever i read these stories..when my daughter was 2 she rarely woke up for anything else other than food at night. 😄
sharp dew
Well hey we all do that every once in a while so you can’t blame her :p
brisk ferry
I think 1 of the twins would sleep through if they werent in the same bedroom. but we dont have a big enough house to have all seperate rooms
man just twins, in general
until they are sleeping, I can't recommend it lol
narrow abyss
But it just sounds so damn efficient
Only have to get pregnant and out of work once
😂
brisk ferry
LOL
sick sentinel
if you have leech and you were in the cannon that would do a lot of healing
brisk ferry
you right
nah I never do cannon
probable should though, these apes I group with aim at the healer for some fucking reason
sharp dew
I have a railroad that trains pass by every 2 hours or so and are always using their horn, and I’m pretty sure a Blackhawk just flew over very low because the walls and windows were shaking and one car alarm went off LOL
brisk ferry
Jesus
weary thorn
a blackhawk would have to be pretty low to set off a car alarm
which would just give me a freedom boner
because I havent been near one in 4 years
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel did you find out about the cap in AM yet or?
sharp dew
I know that’s what I was thinking, but the car alarm went off as it flew by (could be a coincidence)and it did without exaggeration shake my walls and my window next to my bed lmao
narrow abyss
Freedom boner lmao
oblique garnet
’Murica
weary thorn
Oh they will for sure buffet windows and make em rattle, I believe that
wouldnt surprise me though if it kicked up a rock into that car or something similar
sharp dew
I love watching them fly over, such an awesome looking machine
weary thorn
I thought they were fast until I got onto a red flag flight in a ch-47
those pilots decided they wanted to have some fun with us
sharp dew
Speaking of awesome, that’d probably be my dream flight to ride in one of those
weary thorn
chinook or blackhawk?
both are cool to fly in, blackhawk is a bit better because you can keep the doors open
chinook is just way faster than you'd expect
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet probably not a thing. there was a bug with weakauras and AM plus ive seen a couple last stands come off cd under 1 minute
weary thorn
ah yea, they are fun too, and very big
the blades are intimidating if you have to board while they are in action
sharp dew
I bet those twin blades would shake the whole house if one took off haha
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Figured it must have been just a ui bug and in ST its pretty consistent given our rage gen for cds to come back around the same time
weary thorn
they definitely would if close enough @sharp dew
sick sentinel
the trick is to get to 200% haste so you can cast thunderclap every single GCD and not every other GCD
Kappa
narrow abyss
Lusting last phase of temple 😂
sick sentinel
I had the dream once
I had double BFI+DC ( 8.0)
and during lust I got TC-SS-TC-SS-TC-SS
narrow abyss
🤤