right griff
#protection
lusty grotto
chilly brook
Anyways I’ll stop talking about something that happened like 10 minutes ago
primal crypt
@chilly brook positioning is soooo important lol
chilly brook
Yea
primal crypt
I think im going to start marking my pally
chilly brook
Martyr is such a good tool
exotic spoke
Lol griff
primal crypt
So I dont line her so hard
primal crypt
I make her bust CDs on cd
supple path
I consider it a personal failure every time my holy paladin holy shocks me instead of the monster.
primal crypt
Usually I just call out if Im moving
chilly brook
I wanna use wings all the time but I hold onto it because I’m always worried someone is gonna do something stupid
primal crypt
Or just scream "lining"
chilly brook
Cuz I wanna pump the damage as hpal
supple path
Yeah honestly, the thing I always tell my holy paladin...is that sometimes you just need to risk letting idiots die.
though they do get REALLY mad
chilly brook
As you can tell I’ve made my decision with hpal being my m+ toon
Instead of Ret
Cuz I can just pump damage with wings and have more utility and heal
exotic spoke
So true
chilly brook
What’s the horde NA emissary today?
primal crypt
wary gyro
That's what 3 in a row now
lusty grotto
hey its free residuum
daring kayak
whack
exotic spoke
Why would you want an alt when you can booty clap more
exotic spoke
That may be the best answer I’ve heard as a reason to play prot paladin
wary gyro
Avengers shield is honestly very satisfying to use
primal crypt
Personally the sound of it bouncing on things gets me off
exotic spoke
Hey man, what ever it takes
primal crypt
A very pleasing ting ting tong
neon tangle
Maybe I'll try pally again once I can be a zandalari
unborn island
Does anyone else think that they are going to try structure each M+ season in BFA with a +10 affix so that one/two tanks each season is OP?
supple path
I expect the seasonal affix to thematically resemble a current narratively important figure (g'huun, bwansambi) and have no sane or predictable relation to class balance
lusty grotto
that's more accurate yes
wary gyro
Betting next season it has something to do with azshara
lusty grotto
im calling it, next season the affix is gonna be that someone goes crazy/MCd and you have to dps him down like a boss or some bs
wary gyro
That would make sense
lusty grotto
or that could be s4, as aszhara would make more sense
wary gyro
Yeah I'm betting s4 will be nzoth relatrd
supple path
Or N'Zoth yeah
supple path
That does seem more likely
wary gyro
Azshara into nzoth makes sense from a narrative standpoint
So actually your right it's probably going to be nzoth next
supple path
Glad we didn't have these in previous expansions. "Deathwing: Every 20% he kills your whole group. Run back."
There's a lot of room for truly heinous stuff.
heavy chasm
Grasping tentacles
neon tangle
the bane of all anime schoolgirls
wary gyro
Lich king would just taunt you every so often
supple path
Tentacles that slowly pull someone into a maw and have to be DPS'd down before the person dies are definitely happening at some point
wary gyro
That's always a mechanic somewhere when naga are involved
supple path
Horrible people.
neon tangle
gotta be worse than rooting, take a spear to the chest that impales you to the floor
wary gyro
Ah so the bod trash but in m+
supple path
I was too aggressive pulling that trash the other day and they speared me around a corner before the raid even engaged (
lusty grotto
i sincerely hope its a less retarded affix that does not fuck with other affixes like reaping
neon tangle
or maybe a flood happens occsionally, like the wave 3rd(?) boss in siege
lusty grotto
but knowing blizzard...
supple path
I just hope it doesn't have obvious bugs like reaping.
lusty grotto
they nail one, they screw us in another
wary gyro
I prefer reaping to infested
neon tangle
everyone does
lusty grotto
honestly infested was only fucking bad because other affixes screwed with it directly and indirectly
supple path
Infested was also just straight irritating.
"oh can't pull this pack can't pull that oh oops it spread gotta do whatever now" just every aspect of it was ANNOYING
lusty grotto
if infested had not made the existing affixes way fucking worse, it would have been ok
like keeping the whole multiplying thing
supple path
Infested was disproportionately countered by your tank being really up on his cartography, which led to it being almost a non-issue for the top-tier runners, while totally wrecking clueless pugs trying to do 10s
neon tangle
also it getting put on non-CC-able mobs
supple path
And the non-intuitive nature of "oh infested mobs don't heal other infested mobs unless those other infested mobs got infested from it spreading"
Which was just a WHYYYYY mechanic
Reaping's fun factor is 10x higher
Which in WoW means I'm now terrified at the horrors they'll unleash on us when the pendulum swings back
wary gyro
Yeah God only knows how bad the next one will be
summer wigeon
next M+ gonna be like all mobs have damage absorb shields that need to be purged off
good luck groups without dispellers
summer wigeon
Yea I dont think they would do that as it would tilt the entire class balance for M+
exotic spoke
Nah. I think it’s a terrible idea - but better than infested for my group comp
wary gyro
Nah next they're going go bring back overflowing
lusty grotto
honestly though DH would just bitch and moan about it
silk mortar
Overflowing as seasonal 🤔
lusty grotto
I USED ARCANE TORRENT
supple path
Yes Nimchip, because it is a thing that exists, and thus something DHs will complain about
exotic spoke
Spriest opening with MD
supple path
Vanilla rogues who refused to kick when it cost energy may have been the worst people to ever exist anywhere.
exotic spoke
Jesus me too
exotic spoke
I have nightmares of being dead zoned by a rogue in pvp still
lusty grotto
spotted the hunter
lime mantle
R.A.G.E (385 leech) vs Briny Barnacle (400`+40 haste)
supple path
Warriors got deadzoned back then too
signal plover
It'll be azshara themed so maybe just a giant fuckin wave of instagib water that flows through the instance and you have to avoid it
supple path
dot kited in the 5-8 yard range
signal plover
Or else u get moist
exotic spoke
With crippling
wary gyro
Imagine playing allience
lusty grotto
hey, i was alliance
exotic spoke
Eh, even if lap they would vanish and wait
lusty grotto
🤷
supple path
It's okay, if some people weren't bad people, who would the horde have killed in WSG?
wary gyro
True
lusty grotto
if a rogue vanished in wsg to "wait"
that effectively was a victory
took that dude out of the game for that period
exotic spoke
Not thinking in BGs mostly world
lusty grotto
oh dude fuck world pvp
i used that fucking chicken that did dmg to myself to escape sheeps
and engineering stuff
wait was it a chicken, i forget
supple path
The best part about vanilla was fire reflect trinket + mages who were super predictable about AP/PoM/Pyro
exotic spoke
The best part, or worst depending on who was who, was the one shotting
supple path
There weren't actual one shot mechanics between equally geared people back then. But there were a lot of two shots!
wary gyro
That's why you polyd them first
exotic spoke
I’ll change that to “globalling”
wary gyro
I mean remember that shaman who got a 12k crit
supple path
oh right negative resists and the super rare super crits
exotic spoke
and once the pre patch came out... the amount of occurrences between equally geared players increased
coarse oracle
guys quick question, bwonsamdi's bargain or ritual feather?
supple path
ritual feather
exotic spoke
Prior to prepatch absolutely correct
wary gyro
Same ilvl?
exotic spoke
Bargain is blah
coarse oracle
yeah it's kinda underwhelming, if I'm that low on hp, I'm doing something wrong anyway
or I fucked up lol
exotic spoke
I felt bad for an undead priest in one AB. Happened three times where I’d
Charge, auto swing - sword spec proc, Ms, sword spec proc and two - three would crit resulting in an instant death
supple path
You were like a baby shaman!
exotic spoke
Truth!
exotic spoke
Half hour long and shared with shield wall and retal
Pre graphics retal / pre fix retal was best
Worked while stunned rofl
And no graphic
wary gyro
Oh God that's right retaliation was a thing
lusty grotto
sword spec was amazing with Ashkandi
wary gyro
I completely forgot about it
lusty grotto
but i was mace spec all the way brahs
supple path
copying EQ disciplines was not a great design choice
lusty grotto
cant beat TUF
supple path
glad they got away from that in a hurry
exotic spoke
I liked TUB
supple path
The stunherald days were just hilarious.
exotic spoke
When it and crusader proc at the same time
wary gyro
Ah yes the good old stun on hot mace fury buold
lusty grotto
corrupted ashbringer swordspec lul
exotic spoke
Fuck that noise. I was axesmith and was sad I choose that instead of mace
The graphic of a warrior holding a rogue tied to a long stick was so true
supple path
Though just to pierce the nostalgia veil of that era - I'll remind you interrupt resistance was a thing, where ~40% of your pummels would just fail.
exotic spoke
And they had no clue because it didn’t have a graphic
wary gyro
What pummel
supple path
The ones you used to bridge your mace stuns!
wary gyro
Didn't even have it originally iirc
supple path
Pummel was the berserker stance interrupt.
heavy chasm
Back when their was one tank
exotic spoke
The way it should be! /s
heavy chasm
It wasn't till BC that others actually started being a thing
Paladin vanilla prot spec
Lel
supple path
4 horsemen
lusty grotto
yup
supple path
was when most guilds first even considered non-war tanks
"oh hey do we have anyone else here who even HAS taunt?"
lusty grotto
nah 8 warrior 4 horsemen was the norm
exotic spoke
Hit bonus on taunts
supple path
It was the norm, but it wasn't super rare to see a guild fill with 1-2 bears or prot paladins
gilded viper
guess who got his diamond trinket today ❤
lusty grotto
to be fair, i didnt know of any guilds back then that did that
exotic spoke
Dwarf priests best priests
supple path
Course then prot paladins were strictly superior to warriors for the entirety of wotlk
exotic spoke
Top one on my server had to occasionally
wary gyro
Paladino did something other than heal in vanill?
supple path
what do you mean, easily 98% of them specced ret and wandered around yelling at strangers
heavy chasm
Vanilla paladin reckoning bombs
lusty grotto
but that was in tbc right?
heavy chasm
Lel
heavy chasm
Nah was classic
exotic spoke
That was vanilla
lusty grotto
oh yeah that was classic
exotic spoke
Kazzak
lusty grotto
fucking mongos trying to reck bomb stuff
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
broken dagger rog was from arthas
exotic spoke
One guild had a monopoly on the green dragons on my server
No other guild could get the scales.
lusty grotto
we had alliances in arthas
exotic spoke
Ended up doing it in fucking mauradon gear
heavy chasm
I remember having the original clown get up on my paladin
supple path
The multi-hour azuregos incidents on pvp servers were just the best.
lusty grotto
our guild allied with TG (horde), the other ally guild (Ret) allied with Aurora (horde)
lusty grotto
so that if some fucking guild came to gank
exotic spoke
Made you immune to a spell or something. Would negate the whole cast lol
lusty grotto
they would notify us, and vice versa
anyway in arthas
there were 3 gongers
one from my guild, one from the other ally guild, one from 1 horde guild
i cant be sure if the 2nd horde guild got one
iirc not
gilded viper
Hey bois i really need ur help with my azerite pieces
What do u guys choose in the inner rings? Do u go for dps traits or the sustain/heeling traits?
supple path
There is no one true answer there, but it does depend what content you're mainly focused on.
gilded viper
mythic +
wicked ginkgo
395 weapon with socket or 400 weapon? not really sure which would be better
gilded viper
sim it Garret
supple path
We don't sim stuff in these parts. But the 400.
exotic spoke
Summing is only dps
wicked ginkgo
yeah i figured the weapon dps would be more important than stats but wasnt exactly sure for tanking, thanks guys
gilded viper
Head my call or azerite veins?
supple path
For M+...you'll literally find different answers from different people. I like the DPS traits personally. Some others swear by survivability.
exotic spoke
Job 1 - surviving
gilded viper
And which keys do u run?
exotic spoke
Job 2 - maximizing dps
supple path
10-15 range primarily here.
tulip arch
The weapon dps is still used in calculations for AP on abilities, such as ignore pain so you still want ilvl on weapons
supple path
Heed my call is gonna be 1-2% dps boost, while azerite veins has a really variable effect depending on your healer
So the answer is honestly just: your personal preference.
sick sentinel
wait
I just started reading up
azerite veins is just straight garbage
it does less healing overall than an inner trait
it is good only for monks
supple path
Well yeah, but so does every other trait in that ring.
gilded viper
hmmm
gilded viper
I'll go for head my call
gilded viper
What about Ablative shielding?
wary gyro
If AV didn't remove itself when you hit full hp it would be much stronger
sick sentinel
ablative shielding*
wary gyro
Ablative is a good trait if you need defensive ones
sick sentinel
I would rather have that instead of AV, and I used Abrative as an example of a mediocre trait
I mean it's okay
but if you are at a 40%. you are in massive danger
like
supple path
AV does gain in value on grievous weeks but oh my god weekly trait selection = /wrists
gilded viper
Well i can choose between Ablative shielding or head my call again
sick sentinel
if you play properly abrative will never proc
gilded viper
U say u dont go below 40%? Then u are doing too easy content
supple path
we're not DKs. there's no actual gain to waiting to top us off.
gilded viper
dont tell me u dont go under 40% then
supple path
The real question is...how often do you go under 40%
sick sentinel
I would rather have stats
supple path
Cause if it's not "Every 30s" that trait starts reducing in value
sick sentinel
I would pick unstable flames or any day of the week
gilded viper
For real?
sick sentinel
if you have to choose between HMC, abrative and AV
I would pick abrative shielding
gilded viper
I gotta pick between HMC, ablative shielding and unstable flames
wary gyro
Yeah shielding is a great safety net if your new
warm plinth
RIP, I thought AV was a good trait; just chose it on two different pieces 😂
That's what I get for not double checking
gilded viper
u read that on icy right? 😄
sick sentinel
the only reason you would drop under 40% is when you stop blocking attacks
lusty grotto
icy veins is our guide
warm plinth
Nah I actually just thought I remembered it being good.
lusty grotto
so its not incorrect
sick sentinel
with enough haste and proper usage of last stand and saving SB uptime when mobs are stunned etc
you are always blocking
warm plinth
IV is just primarily survival is all; it's not wrong.
supple path
AV's very good for when your healer dies and you're trying to solo the flame boss in TD
less good with a living healer!
wary gyro
Av is let down by it being removed when you get topped off
gilded viper
Which dungeon or raid boss should i farm to get a new wep?
lusty grotto
whichever
supple path
Lots of dungeons drop weapons, find the one that also drops other stuff you want
lusty grotto
whichever except waycrest
supple path
e.g. AD if you want rezan's trinket
sick sentinel
^^
warm plinth
So I can choose Heed My Call/Elemental Whirl on one, and Elemental Whirl/Unstable Flames on the other
sick sentinel
what nim said
gilded viper
Im going for haste and vers right?
wary gyro
Ad td tos all drop a mainhand and shield iirc
sick sentinel
whirl in first
supple path
Haste is our best stat, but in almost no cases will you ever drop ilvl for it.
sick sentinel
whirl vs flames is basically up to you
wary gyro
I think hes deciding which to target nim
gilded viper
U cant say high ilvl? The should all drop same ilvl unless im lucky with a titan forge
sick sentinel
ghash icy veins plance flames and whirl at the same tier with whirl being the highers
I would go double whirl
warm plinth
Alright
supple path
If you're deciding which equal ilvl item to farm based off its secondary stats...haste > mastery/vers > crit is your order of preferences I think.
sick sentinel
if you are talking pure defence
lusty grotto
but if you're going for M+ only haste, mastery, crit are kinda better
sick sentinel
you want have>vers>mastery>crit
but you should just focus on getting the highest haste possible
gilded viper
so the atal wep is great?
sick sentinel
while having the highest ilvl possible
on the weapon you just care about the weapon damage
but yeah atal is great
warm plinth
Would you guys take CR over a 2nd DC? For M+
warm plinth
👌
lusty grotto
realistically you will have to run different dungeons, you won't always find an AD group
supple path
Atal's also one of the faster zones to run + drops a great trinket and drops a great shield so good one to farm.
lusty grotto
unless if doing m0s
or extremely low keys
since he needs a 1 hander, it's not bad just targetting all of the dungeons that drop one
instead of only AD
wary gyro
Atal temple toldagor all drop a weapon and a shield iirc
lusty grotto
yup
exotic spoke
Plus some trinkets from those
gilded viper
And which trinkets do u prefer? I'm currently going with diamond from opulence, and rezan's
sick sentinel
perfect
lusty grotto
that should be fine
exotic spoke
Diamond and a 415 socketed howler here
wary gyro
Those are both very good
opal peak
no
exotic spoke
No
lusty grotto
hell no
sick sentinel
never
wary gyro
Never
exotic spoke
Ilvl on shield > all
lusty grotto
secondary stats are never better
exotic spoke
Because of how the game figurebout how much damage you block
lusty grotto
you can't gem or enchant block value
supple path
The amount of block value you gain on a shield just trumps what the other secondary stats contribute
wary gyro
Shield moreso than other pieces ilvl is everythinv
lusty grotto
shield and one hander
gilded viper
Alright, then i'll start farming some one handers
exotic spoke
Trading one of my raiders for a 425 shied
gilded viper
😄
Do u guys have a weakaura that shows ur skills as well, or do u just move ur spell bars around?
lusty grotto
the most important ones are a block tracker and IP tracker
everything else is up to you
wary gyro
I use less weakauras than I probably should
lusty grotto
so that question will result in very different answers
i believe you can find those two in #268491842637660160
marok made them
sick sentinel
by the way, in a standard scenario ( not shrine/ml) where 75% of the damage is physical/blockable mastery is the best stat for surv
for me at least
lusty grotto
(who also wrote the icy veins guide)
steel mauve
Its been debated that the number is 85% for blockable damage where mastery over takes vers
unborn island
is big red button useless?
lusty grotto
its ok for snap agro
sick sentinel
when iron
wary gyro
I have almost entirely self made weakauras
sick sentinel
75 it's for me
lusty grotto
but there are better trinkets for dps
unborn island
hmmm, 415 one, my rezans only 385 and block 400
sick sentinel
maybe even 70 I haven't tested it
unborn island
sad ppasnda
open field
Guys whats better Atal onehand 410 with socket or 415 onehand from grong?
exotic spoke
Ilvl
sick sentinel
^^
the point where vers is equal to mastery in terms of DR on my gear is 58% blockable damage
so when more than 58% damage is physical/blockable then mastery is better
btw my spreadsheet is marok's but updated for 8.1 buffs where marok's is 8.0 sheet iirc
like I personally went in and updated it
exotic spoke
In terms of survivability, dps, or both?
sick sentinel
that's pure survivability
autumn cosmos
how significant of an upgrade is 400 > 415 shield
sick sentinel
MASSIVE
autumn cosmos
not asking about a choice i have to make, i dont have a 415 shield but
sick sentinel
like
exotic spoke
Very
autumn cosmos
oof
autumn cosmos
link link
lusty grotto
did you modify marok's?
sick sentinel
and then go in the "stat increase" and put how much more block you are getting
nim read literally 2 mins above
sick sentinel
marok made the spreadsheet in 8.0
lusty grotto
brain fart
lusty grotto
what did you update about it?
sick sentinel
and shield block buffs
sick sentinel
marok uses 8.0 vanguard and 18 sec cd on SB
actually
I know
@fierce juniper update your spreadsheet pls : D
lusty grotto
hes too busy clappin
i saw him once in the great seal
he waved
went to clap
clap hard
sick sentinel
I don't wanna link people to "my spreadsheet" when it's yours just fixed ( and I also don't want people using the one in #268491842637660160 because it's just wrong)
celest swan
is there an updated list of the current BiS trinkets for Prot warriors? sorry if i missed it somewhere
autumn cosmos
how would i go about comparing 2 shields
sick sentinel
then you put how much more block you get in the stat increase
lusty grotto
phantom tag!
sick sentinel
the "bis" ( I don't like that word) chances on the content you are doing and the level of content you are doing and how much gear you have compared to that content
sick sentinel
@celest swan
lusty grotto
HE HE HEH HE all according to plan
autumn cosmos
well im gonna have a 400 wep and shield for
another 4-6 weeks
until we kill jaina
fbm
lusty grotto
why
sick sentinel
extending probs
lusty grotto
mythic champs is ez pug
lusty grotto
oh
exotic spoke
Go do mythic champions of light. Super easy
lusty grotto
gotcha
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke 🤦
lusty grotto
well there's always WF shields from M+
oblique garnet
shame that shields cant
exotic spoke
Kaege don’t judge me 😦 running on about 5 hours of sleep a night for the past two weeks 😦
Erm meant war forged
sick sentinel
@eager hedge got a titanforged shield once
sick sentinel
no
lusty grotto
but they aren't
lusty grotto
yeah i remember that, we debunked it
sick sentinel
sure?
lusty grotto
yeah
sick sentinel
ah ok
lusty grotto
it was labeled like the cache but not actually TF
opal peak
just say how u'll get a shield eventually (say this while on ur way to open ur weekly chest) and u'll get a 410 from weekly chest
exotic spoke
Can they warforge?
lusty grotto
they can
exotic spoke
So, up to 10 ilvls
I just wish more people in my raid used shields that could trade them.
dense flame
How’s KR this week? AIDS?
lusty grotto
probably
teamchip got a kr
and i kinda wanna run it
but at the same time
i dont
dense flame
Group wants to start with a 15 Kr
exotic spoke
I’m still upset about my TOS key last night
Scuffed it when I somehow leapt through the floor on the last boss after we used invis pots to skip the hall of trash before
opal peak
ooph
exotic spoke
Yeah... we wiped it. I couldn’t die. And as I was trying to get back up, I found that I could have gotten to the room and we didn’t have to wipe it
exotic spoke
Boralus is best of the two
exotic spoke
Unless you want to go exploring but yeah
ruby python
so how much do you value a socket on a ring as a tank? as a dps its about 20 ilvl since you can disregard stam , but as tank stam isnt that "useless"
lusty grotto
around 5 to 10 ilvls
sick sentinel
5-10 yeah
opal peak
yeah i try not to think about alliance area bc heck alliance @lusty grotto
ruby python
on the same ring 405 w/ and 410 w/o means 22 stam on the 410 against 29 extra secundaries on the 405 socketed
so its pretty close at 5 levels , dont think i could value it 10 , but in the end i guess its just going with your gut , it seems pretty close
lusty grotto
yeah i mean i say 10 because some people feel like 10 is good enough, i personally don't go above 5
sick sentinel
exactly
opal peak
my MW it took way too many ilvls to beat out my socketed 385 ring 😦 took forever to swap it out
ruby python
well that only happens on rings since they carry no main stat , so disregarding stam a socket will always beat ilvl cause 40 secundaries takes lke 20 ilvl to compare
ruby python
well and its overall "silly" not equipping an item that is literally 20 ilvl higher cause you got one from a couple raids ago that still sims better due to the socket , it kinda sucks
sick sentinel
well
ruby python
it literally should
sick sentinel
a crit/mastery 400+s sims higher than my haste/mastery 415 as fury
ruby python
i mean literally , a ring will take about 20 ilvl to reach having 40 more secundaries
sick sentinel
I just pull shit and clap shit
rocky crest
xD
modern brook
u xD but he's right
supple path
Don't be afraid to use bloodlust on the really dangerous packs in a zone would be my big tip.
sick sentinel
as long as I have shieldblock up I am like invincible in something as low as a 12
maybe it's the gear
modern brook
im 403 and dont take white damage if i hace charges 🤷
lusty grotto
quaking is the real killer, im with late
modern brook
idk what they did but quaking is so much worse than it was in legion
supple path
Not uncommon to see quaking be like 1/3rd of the total damage taken or whatever for some fights.
It was much easier to heal 20% of your hp in legion
Also feels like there are more dungeons where the spread-out is annoying now.
supple path
Yeah, tanks too - quaking in legion was "you mean the 2% of my hp I lose through ignore pain?"
supple path
yes, it's worth 15 ilvls.
sick sentinel
it was worth when we had 4 rings
I will personally not drop 15 ilvls for DC
that's just my experience though, haven't done the numbers
mild jolt
could someone may give me some tips for Prot? i tanked the first time today in NHc and HC BoD, and im not sure, if i performed well or not.. ofc i have some logs
sand egret
just a heads up there’s a log review channel as well 😃 usually its the more specific questions that get fielded here
oblique garnet
'Ts a sad day
mild jolt
@sand egret yeha, i had the hope, that its better to ask specific in the Prot section^^
quick rock
how much haste should i be shooting for ?
sand egret
there’s no specific number
quick rock
no i know this but whats a comfy amount
sand egret
as much as you can get without sacrificing other stats, tbh. there’s no magic number
@mild jolt if there’s a specific fight/scenario you had in mind, we can start there 😃
quick rock
well atm im sitting
sick sentinel
you just get haste
quick rock
what would you change
mild jolt
lets say, Grong HC https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LG831Wwnk7QX4tTz#fight=last
@sand egret i knoww i fucked up a few things, but i dont know how i perfom overall :/
quick rock
isnt ilvl over all stats?
quick rock
im 394ilvl
sick sentinel
but when comparing 2 items of the same ilvl then you go for haste
quick rock
so basicly i need more ilvl to get more stats
oblique garnet
this week is not fun
quick rock
why?
oblique garnet
getting clipped with the quaking feelsbadman
sick sentinel
get better dps lol
sand egret
tell your dps to lose some weight
oblique garnet
nah man like even if its just me alone
sick sentinel
and murdered him
supple path
god's work kaege
sick sentinel
we didn't get clipped by quacking
when stacking up for reaping
just get better lul
analog swift
For a second I started thinking we shouldn’t get quaking during reaping then I realized someone would leave the reaping wave up forever
exotic spoke
Feels bad man for the dps I mean
sick sentinel
we got 2 shrines and a motherlode
sand egret
@mild jolt tbh i don't see anything immediate that pops out. I think another tank can prob call out more, but I know with Grong there's a Prot-specific trick where you can SR the "grip" DoT you take
Nim, look at this man's logs
you do the raid thing
lusty grotto
?
lusty grotto
what am i looking for sorry
exotic spoke
Lol
mild jolt
@sand egret yeha, i read this yesterday, and it works good, it's just a bit of timing.
Still thanks 😃
sand egret
tell me if anything homie here is doing pops out to you (esp if there some weird raid thing I dunno about)
lusty grotto
ah warrior reviewer
sand egret
yea, logs for nimchipadin come later 😃
lusty grotto
give me a min or 2
ocean acorn
nimchip the log god
sand egret
I can't see anything too immediate that jumps, to me. You have 14 non-blocked hits where I'd expect on that fight you could get 100% uptime on effective blocking since there's taunt swaps
ocean acorn
i feel like lumen missed alot of blockable damage
unborn island
odds of getting a reasonable chest from TR?
sand egret
~67% of melee's blocked
ocean acorn
u can block bestial smash
sand egret
ooo yeah I just peeked that. 2 blocks total on that
lusty grotto
demo uptime is a little low
SRs are done
correctly
67% blocked melee
22% on smash yikes
supple path
One tip that most people forget about - use intercept on allies near you for extra rage.
sand egret
esp when you that ally is a low hp hunter/demon hunter during Quaking
supple path
I like to use it on the other tank every time I hit full hp if I have a beacon on me on raids
lusty grotto
that's basically it from what i can gather
basically block smashes more
use IP to smooth out rends
sick sentinel
ocean acorn
sick sentinel
SB with LS overlap
sand egret
@mild jolt ☝
lusty grotto
demo uptime could be a bit higher but i dont think it's a factor
ah i didn't check overlaps
yeah def fix that
sand egret
oo good pull out
lusty grotto
that's way too low casts on LS
ocean acorn
@mild jolt where u died too
lusty grotto
why are you holding it?
ocean acorn
also didnt have blcok
mild jolt
well. so i fucked up a lot.. good to know ^^
ocean acorn
but do u understand what to improve on?
mild jolt
better timing on my blocks, aiming for 100% and using block on the smash
if i understand it right
lusty grotto
you'll never get 100% block
ocean acorn
ya if you're not tanking the boss u dont need to block
lusty grotto
use LS more to cover gaps in SB cd
mild jolt
i mean 100% on the time i tank him, using block when i dont tank him is dump
lusty grotto
correct
ocean acorn
save the charge so when u do taunt it back u have full charges to block as long as possible
mild jolt
ok, for my understanding, hat means LS ? im not so familiar with the English Shortcuts
oblique garnet
last stand
sick sentinel
don't use shieldblock and last stand together
mild jolt
Last Stand?
ocean acorn
whats hat
mild jolt
ah
ocean acorn
oh i see that
mild jolt
@sick sentinel i think, that was more a panic reaction, i feel like i aged 10 years in this raid.. Doing shit i never done, and paniced ^^
sick sentinel
well if you need that 30% healing to survive you can do it
but then don't use shieldblock while you have last stand up
steel mauve
min-maxing dps you can use shield block while not tanking a boss as long as you make sure your shield block charges will be back up when you do have to tuant
taunt*
sick sentinel
and dump rage into IP
ocean acorn
Anyone try a high level shrine key this week
mild jolt
But Thanks a lot guys. this, so far helped me a lot. 😃
merry cave
Not super high but we were doing 16 shrine last night. Was awful
merry cave
We didn't struggle it's just immensely slow. And the first 2 readings we do suck
sick sentinel
shpicey wanna see screenshots of my first key this week
ocean acorn
Sure man
oblique garnet
is shrine actually bad this week?
sick sentinel
water blast hits for 120k
ocean acorn
Ya i could imagine
Shit trucks
I had a decent route but i wanna xo the one where u skip the mini bosses
tacit solstice
You just have to clear so much trash as well
skipping runecarver and ele mini boss is worth, just have to get some % elsewhere
merry cave
@oblique garnet we aren't doing 19/20s but we just found it so fucking slow because we couldn't do more than 4ish faster mobs at once
sick sentinel
since we fucked it completely
we started testing stuff
that's why it took an hour
ocean acorn
Learn anything?
sick sentinel
reflecting carve flesh in the 19 was 1.2m damage
tacit solstice
how did you reflect it though?
ocean acorn
But he foesnt target u
tacit solstice
pog
sick sentinel
and THEN people come help you
ocean acorn
He still has al9t of healtg
sick sentinel
he still has 4 mill health left tho 😛
ocean acorn
And half that too with repaing
merry cave
We normally skip her and kill the first one using the swirfness patch to kill the other trash lol
Maybe we should skip all 3
tacit solstice
ah true then you have to deal with her reaping, probs still way to long
dull pilot
should i use this new ring and swop out my 405 one ? http://prntscr.com/mubuav
mild jolt
i would gladly take those ring from you for my arms.. xD
sick sentinel
avoidance is negligible
dull pilot
so not worth it ?
steel mauve
you wont even notice a difference with any decision there, if you swapped any i would swap the 400's imo
tacit solstice
^^^
steel mauve
you at least gain haste from it
tacit solstice
unless you are soaking every puddle on M stormwall it wont matter
sick sentinel
I would go ritual+dredger
tacit solstice
^
ocean acorn
5 different rings
415: crit>vers avd
415: verse> crit avd
410: verse> mast leech
400: Crit>haste leech socket
390: mastery >crit socket
dull pilot
unlucky u want the haste
steel mauve
still think 415's would win out
potent anvil
I would wear the 415s
ocean acorn
i think i would lose on alot of haste let me double check
steel mauve
still not worth 15 ilvls
sick sentinel
you will get haste back eventually
steel mauve
the socket makes it close but its barelly better than 10 ilvls on a good day
sick sentinel
to be fair
I have been using last stand a lot less
now that I have a lot more haste
ocean acorn
i would lose out on 314 haste
sick sentinel
^^
steel mauve
if it gives more stats then its going to win out over haste
ocean acorn
ya
sick sentinel
and hey
if you are talking pure defence
look how much DR haste gives me
ofc it does not account for more rage regen for AM
lusty grotto
hahaha
sick sentinel
but like
lusty grotto
i see what you did there
ocean acorn
ok let me use this sheet brb
ocean acorn
i dl it
it would give me 81 stats total
oh it looks like my biggest dr increases are crit >verse rn anyway
fierce juniper
@sick sentinel I went through the whole sheet a few weeks ago and fixed several things including Vanguard. I did miss shield block CD being off. It's fixed now, ty
sick sentinel
ok perfect I am going to tell people to use yours now instead 😛
ocean acorn
shield block cd is 16 now correct
sick sentinel
haste's and mastery's value should change
Does anybody prepot for raid? Do you use the str or busrting blood?
str
bursting blood is extremely incosistent
Does it make much difference for a tank?
and it is only good in ST
it does
str is just better
and you are popping avatar and demo shout on pull
so massive dps increase
and it gives like 550 armor or something on top of it
Like how much does it impact dps? Like 1%, 10% etc
oblique garnet
pogU broke 32k dps in +15
willow scarab
More than 10%
floral tinsel
sick sentinel
if you are using BoM
it's a lot more
than if you are not using BoM
Cool. Just wondering if its worth the cost, sounds like it is. I usually avg 12k in raid, 22k in M+
merry cave
Lol unless we deep into prog I just use cheap af pots :/
willow scarab
If you sell a key or 2 in a week you can afford to pot everything in keys and raid for the week
daring marlin
^this
daring marlin
the hell
willow scarab
Wtf
daring marlin
We 2 chest carries and charge 120k
sick sentinel
are you US?
willow scarab
Nobody cares about timing on my server
lusty grotto
what the fuck? non-timed carries?
willow scarab
We usually 2 chest but people are buying for cache
daring marlin
oh lord
daring marlin
o m e g a
sick sentinel
it was 200k in EU for a while
willow scarab
0io really
If you’re good at keys and geared you’re fine
Selling at 1200 was as easy as at 2100
Just makes advertising easier
daring marlin
I had one guy it made sense for
He had purifier title and shit
He was very clearly a fresh 120 alt and afk’d the start til the end
willow scarab
We just gave them afk so they don’t ruin shit so a fresh 120 bot is the same as a 3k io player to us
daring marlin
I’d do that if I bought carries
willow scarab
Have*
sick sentinel
yeah same
I have had gladiators actually
and raiders that wanted to do their +10 but wanted to watch netflix as well
willow scarab
We mostly get alts of high progged players who were too busy to do the key and need it on reset
daring marlin
I had someone else in the group go is this dude really afking? yes idiot he’s paying you for a service
give him the loot too
mong
@willow scarab yup super late monday night lol
willow scarab
Hour before reset is prime time for me
daring marlin
lol
willow scarab
Every week a 150k sale from desperation
trail quest
quick question, any talents i should change up from standard raid build for H jaina prog?
sick sentinel
are you using bounding stride?
trail quest
yes
sick sentinel
then no
trail quest
okay ty 😃
exotic spoke
I’ve had a person just say “I’ll pay for one of every dungeon to get my Io score up”
sick sentinel
I mean
It's basically the reason I'm playing the game
If it was not a thing
I would have stopped playing 4 months ago
sand egret
most likely, but it's less than the system itself but rather it's the current attempt at people quantifying "skill". I'm just pointing out the inevitable flaws 😄
sick sentinel
Every system has flaws
sand egret
"inevitable"
sick sentinel
But a 2k dh should be better than a 1.2k dh
sand egret
the system does work in many cases, prob one of the better ones around
but can be exploited for the same reason it's good 😃
oblique garnet
yikes the last part in lfr
sick sentinel
my DH did it for the war campaign
he refuses to do any sort of raiding
in any way shape or form
so he just went in and did 1.5k dps
just auto attacks
and stood in as much shit as possible
he got the GMOD
he has earned 2 breaths of bobsalami and has a gmod
sand egret
my hero.
oblique garnet
Kage can you please que for lfr so i get 2nd tank
its proven difficult to try and tank blockades alone
sick sentinel
LUL
I started going to sleep like 3 hours ago
but then discussion started
and then archi called me out in #fury
Id rather grind my dick in glass then try and tank BoD lfr
and shit hit the fan
sick sentinel
I got my mount from my first H mekka
spark mortar
Anyone use Treacherous Covenant out there?
sick sentinel
it's a general trait
therefore
it's probably worse than any of the prot specific traits
spark mortar
Sad day.
sick sentinel
hey, does anyone have like a list of important abilities i should be intercepting in m+? the only one i do is powder shot in freehold but other than that i havent really thought of any other ones really
in over 90% of the time
exotic spoke
Late you on NA or EU?
sick sentinel
he is EU
spark mortar
Yeah but I was really hoping this time you know @sick sentinel
exotic spoke
Can't help then
tacit solstice
@sick sentinel if u take safe gaurd in some M+ for some keys 30% can be good for 2nd boss ML if someone gets high stacks
but tbh more aoe on thunder clap range is worth more
sick sentinel
yeah im not running safeguard
you are supposed to take safeguard and incercept your melee in KR first boss
tacit solstice
^^
sick sentinel
in high keys
tacit solstice
even 3rd boss with bleed
sick sentinel
i was just interested in some spells that i could be intercepting to reduce overall damage taken
if you want to reduce overall damage taken just use intercept on your melee whenever you are not going to need both charges and you are at 2 charges
to get extra rage
oblique garnet
just let them die
they never stopped dpsing on bursting
they killed you
why should you save them
tacit solstice
hahaha
sick sentinel
thing is
good point kaege
they died from bursting
I was victory rushing
25k hps warriors where you at
oblique garnet
doing 30k 😃
sick sentinel
and do you know of any similiar spells to powder shot that can really help?