RBD 425 do like 34k
#protection
sharp goblet
lusty grotto
hmmmm
sharp goblet
sure!
lusty grotto
correct abbreviation is RBRB, apologies
modern brook
yeah
lusty grotto
not sure where i got RBD from lol
modern brook
it sure is
sharp goblet
test with avatar and demo shout?
lusty grotto
avatar doesnt matter
supple path
For those not aware, wowhead actually has an ilvl scaler for spells like that - https://www.wowhead.com/spell=271374/razdunks-big-red-button . Granted doesn't take into account secondary modifiers/etc.
neon tangle
^^
lusty grotto
trinkets dont get buffed by it
sharp goblet
49k on AoE dummy
oblique garnet
Its a 2 min cd that barely does more damage than one thunderclap critical hit with avatar
lusty grotto
no yeah for sure
steep lily
Hmm, not sure to go 410 crit vers weapon or 405 haste vers with socket
supple path
that's a weird way to judge values, hah.
oblique garnet
410
lusty grotto
was just thinking it might have been good last week, when avatar was off
supple path
I'd probably use a 425 button over a 400 trinket if I wasn't having survival issues.
lusty grotto
yeah but you'd be taking a huge dump on your dps
neon tangle
@oblique garnet worst part about is you have to target the thing
sharp goblet
oh! my gore crusted block have leech too!
neon tangle
so you can't just macro it and forget or anything
lusty grotto
rofl
neon tangle
I'm drunk, I'm remembering how I couldn't figure out how to macro it w/ DnD
and hating it dearly
supple path
When I was using one for a while (similar massively higher ilvl issue last season) I actually liked using it on ranged targets to build off-gcd threat on stuff outside of group. I have...no idea how effective it actually was at that though.
lusty grotto
right
which is why i said it could have been useful last week
but honestly that's just a very specific case i guess
just for snap agro etc
supple path
Yeah, and a couple one-off mechanics where you wanna dump a lot of damage in a 2s window
Though it feels like they increased its travel time at some point.
neon tangle
I used it a lot for pulling packs
supple path
probably because it was goddamn amazing in pvp
"oh you're 20% hp? I believe you mean DEAD"
oblique garnet
And the crit
edgy patrol
How good is Vial of Animated Blood for tanking?
oblique garnet
Its ok
edgy patrol
Is Blockades deck useless now for m+ content?
supple path
gets outdone by higher ilvl stuff yeah.
edgy patrol
Do they ever let us upgrade DMC decks or is it just vendor trash now
ornate pawn
is rezan good as 400 ilvl?
oblique garnet
Yes
ornate pawn
i still dealing with a 370
supple path
Rezan's is one of the best trinkets.
ornate pawn
haha
lusty grotto
bladesong, its time you ran mythic champs
sand egret
hiss
lusty grotto
its time
sand egret
that involves raiding
lusty grotto
shhh bby is ok
supple path
my last 3 mythic champs runs were one shots in pugs I'd never seen before
just picture them as 19 pets
lusty grotto
shh bby is ok
lusty grotto
๐ฎ
sand egret
soon to be a strong pillar of Teamchip
inland mesa
this is important
last elk
just got one of the random mythic azurite helms with titan residium got the Overseer's Riot Helm. Currently have the heroic corown of bloody succeession, heroic spaulders of the gorilla king and mythic Breastplate of divine purification. What are your thoughts. Should riot helm or scrap.
inland mesa
I need everyone to lend me their power
warrior spirit bomb style
to get a 415 shield
last elk
also if i scrap do you know how much residium i would get back from it?
sand egret
you're better formatting on this vs that trait but even then....(i'd check the guides to see if that will answer that).
lusty grotto
now kith
sand egret
residuum though is like...300?
obtuse shoal
Earthlink or azerite globules?
lusty grotto
yo kaege did you do the proving grounds too?
sand egret
earthlink
last elk
Riot helms first ring traits are blood sport or IF next row Tradewinds and callous Reprisal. the heroic helm i currently have has BFI and IF
last elk
the BS/IF one is mythic and the BFI/IF is heroic
sand egret
then take the ilvl
last elk
gotcha thanks for the help
inland mesa
paladin healer got shield D: D: D: D: i rolled freaking bp
lusty grotto
?
sand egret
crown summons a gem? weirdo raid things
lusty grotto
bp?
sand egret
breastplate
inland mesa
the chest
sand egret
get hip to it Nim
inland mesa
no from mythic first boss
sand egret
although yeah that makes no sense
lusty grotto
O
sand egret
ahhh
inland mesa
gotta hope for blockade kill this week >.>
sand egret
see all this raid talk has me confused
lusty grotto
stupid pally
sand egret
imma go back to my keys now
timber nest
lusty grotto
im allergic to TC
ornate pawn
@inland mesa we still on blockade heroic
inland mesa
we mongo'd mekka rekill last week and took whole raid night instead of blockade ๐ข
got traded gloves off first boss though, i've been traded more gear than i've gotten on my own
lusty grotto
ahh
inland mesa
^know those feels
lusty grotto
youre the guild bitch
sick sentinel
not even
lusty grotto
gotcha
sick sentinel
I basically have made a discord
primal crypt
@sick sentinel Pog!
sand egret
meanwhile Teamchip is like WTF
sick sentinel
where I invited people for like a run
inland mesa
streaming the loot fail
sick sentinel
and some never left
primal crypt
sorry, in raid if I dont respond right away :/
sick sentinel
and then started asking me for more runs
and it is slowly becoming an mplus discrd
lusty grotto
interesting
sand egret
that's like the story of teamchip
sand egret
but without the runs part
lusty grotto
honest to god teamchip revival is all thanks to bull
i was about to call it quits and just forget about M+
but now we got 4 keys so ๐
sand egret
๐ฎ
lusty grotto
plus i got a fat rshaman friended now
oblique garnet
Im sorry nim
lusty grotto
i swear to god he carried us last night
sand egret
i wouldn't say that
oblique garnet
Its hard to keep na account
sand egret
it's all water weight
oblique garnet
If it werent for the rep id do it
oblique garnet
Annd im quitting wow
sand egret
funny story, I almost dps'd a M+ last night as Fury
lusty grotto
focusing on apex?
sick sentinel
I did dps in a guild+15 kr yesterday
primal crypt
I'm right behind you Late
sick sentinel
was fun
oblique garnet
Yamo its ok im getting too old so i have to retire
sick sentinel
everybody died except me in the reaping of the second boss's room, the resto shaman anch'd and I tanked and killed the reaping as fury
oblique garnet
You can surpass me
sick sentinel
funny thing, everybody died on the only reaping we didn't pull a boss or another pack with
we were pulling reaping+pack or reaping+boss and dropping 2 earth eles
lusty grotto
Gary and Larry?
sand egret
GaryX2
oblique garnet
Tree amigos?
lusty grotto
boomy's tree amigos
oblique garnet
Jeff
sand egret
have you NOT SEEN The movie
sick sentinel
I call earth ele Rocky
sand egret
๐
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest, i have to rewatch that movie
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
his name is jeff
tired cove
dps wise what trinkets are you guys running
sand egret
we just went over this Late. his name is Gary
oblique garnet
Alchemist trinket and opulence
lusty grotto
like "my name is jeff" from 22 jump street
sand egret
and I run Vial+ Block
lusty grotto
oh its gary, whoops
oblique garnet
No gary is the bitchass creeper from pokemon
primal crypt
I'm looking to get promoted to another position at work
but it's going to require some overtime
sick sentinel
well I don't have a positive or a negative experience with rocky the elemental
primal crypt
so I'm going to take a break I think
sick sentinel
becuase
primal crypt
for the rest of this expansion
sand egret
Gary = Earth Ele, Lucky/Dusty/Ned = tree amigos, Trevor = squirrel hosting the highest kill count for any critter
oblique garnet
Rip yamo
tired cove
Opp trinket never drops
oblique garnet
I thought we were gonna play mdi together
tired cove
i been using alchjaina trinket
sick sentinel
F for MDI
tired cove
oblique garnet
Trinkets are free forall and preferences
sand egret
they call into the "must be nice" category
oblique garnet
What you want or need varies on situation
Also blade thanks for bringing up trevor
oblique garnet
Yeah he now only forms up ruining rogues stealth during reaping
Like thats an actual thing that happened to our rogue
He got meleed by trevor and lost his stealth on reaping pack
sand egret
hahaha see Trevor still doing work
primal crypt
I'll still be on the tourney realm @oblique garnet
hidden ether
socket is 5 il in gloves right?
oblique garnet
Yup
oblique garnet
Warrior @outer dew
hidden ether
so if you have a 400 with a socket, and a 405 w/o got with stat priority?
outer dew
But I just want pump trinkets on warrior
oblique garnet
Warrior gets more value out of it due to itf
sand egret
if it worked like On-Use absorbs id say warrior all day
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Theres a story from season 1 when blizzard decided to make trevor the infested critter during one week and trevor wiped few groups
sand egret
Trevor is THAT squirrel
sick sentinel
AFTER THE BRIDGE
sand egret
yes
outer dew
Debating if I bring bear all the way to opulence tonight
sand egret
that is Trevor
sick sentinel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAa
sand egret
aka the most Lethal Critter in WoW
hidden ether
do all of you miss being the worst class so moved to bear so you can be dramatic
oblique garnet
worst class
lusty grotto
well
oblique garnet
Triggering intensifies
lusty grotto
i wouldn't say worst class
sand egret
haha takes breath
lusty grotto
just hard to master
oblique garnet
I still have no clue what im doing
lusty grotto
so yeah if it falls along those lines, then the answer is yes
oblique garnet
Also nim did you take a look at my logs
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
holy shit thats a lot of devastates
i bet would could push 100 with RF
and devastator
that reminds me i still havent tested RF with Devastator
inland mesa
on opulence already, making good time
lusty grotto
in theory, it should work
lusty grotto
ok one sec
oblique garnet
First and only kill with our guild may it rest in peace
inland mesa
roll opulence for helm/boots, or conclave for cloak/weapon? have 415 helm, have 415 weapon already
lusty grotto
78% blocked hits, very very good
oblique garnet
Ideally you want the trinket from opulence @inland mesa
undone sun
@lusty grotto what theories are you reading
lusty grotto
you could smooth out rending ticks a bit better (with IP)
but everything looks good
undone sun
deva doesn't replace auto attack in damage meters, they're still separate
lusty grotto
right but RF is a secondary hit
undone sun
Rf shouldn't affect deva at all
in theory it should work the same as the CoS auto attack ring
lusty grotto
it's worth trying out
lusty grotto
yeah i kind of remembered that ring now
but i cant recall if CoS auto attack ring was a separate hit
lusty grotto
well since its a bit different it's worth trying out
oblique garnet
Nim how can i see the timelines if my sb and ls overlapped?
undone sun
im not going to tell you how to waste your own time ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
oblique garnet
Nice
lusty grotto
plus 78% overall blocks on hits, is very good
oblique garnet
So basically im mitigating properly while pushing decent damage
And people keep telling me tank damage doesnt matter
full smelt
brace for impact the dmg goes up right not the increase block or both ?
lusty grotto
both
opal peak
so i know the phrase "prot specific are better than general" that go for incite v CR as well? (m+) ๐
full smelt
but double bastion of might would be better then 2 of those
oblique garnet
In m+ yes
sick sentinel
@undone sun idk if that makes a difference or helps but your aa and the RF hit can crit separately
lusty grotto
yeah but what hes saying is
opal peak
but
lusty grotto
that Devastator makes your hits not be auto attacks
opal peak
what about what im sayin
lusty grotto
so it might not apply at all
undone sun
then i feel like it'd have even less reason to be attached to deva
sick sentinel
@opal peak I've seen both sense and Marok use incite, the former in mplus and the latter in raid progress but idk what it was ocer
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
Inb4 dc/2xRF/3xBFI +devastator
opal peak
โค
lusty grotto
lol dont count on it
sick sentinel
100 logs
undone sun
idk
lusty grotto
oh he does?
that fucker is reading this chat
i know hes in here cause he linked videos pre 8.1
stealing my thunder attempts
sick sentinel
Also I have seen people sim with deva and rf
undone sun
ngl, hypothetically it should work
along with the auto attack ring
but i feel like it's a byproduct of shortcuts blizzard took
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lusty grotto
yeah i think the issue is that your attacks are no longer considered auto attacks
so the thing goes "that's not an auto attack so im not gonna apply shit"
sick sentinel
I rememeber I talked about this before
@bronze lantern 's sim
10 days ago
Look at Azerite traits
inland mesa
I got boots and crowns ๐
lusty grotto
yeah but
sick sentinel
Check grong dps logs idk
Anyway, I am really interested in this discussion
But it's 4:33 am here
lusty grotto
dont hold your breath haha
dusk basin
On mythic jadefire masters, how many stacks are you guys swapping at? Me and a BrM are trying to keep a 4 stack cadence but having a hard time keeping that going
quiet ocean
Can someone help me understand why Merektha's Fang trinket sims so much higher on prot paladin vs other tanks like warrior?
lusty grotto
no idea, this is prot warrior discord though
plus our APL isn't finished yet
so those results should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt
furthermore, our abilities deal more dmg in the time you're channeling fang with other trinkets
quiet ocean
I realize, I am a prot warrior who happened to get the trinket, but trying to figure out why bloodmallet has it so low and sims show it being bad as well.
quiet ocean
mkay. sounds good. thanks.
charred ermine
hey guys, what would you do in my position? I have engi goggles, bom+ brace for impact shoulder (415), bom + iron fortress 400 (heroic chest, but mythic will undoubtedly drop to one of the plates). Is it even worth it to try to fish for the third BoM over engi goggles for m+ or just try to build a ST set for raiding? Or just go for fury OS at this point? Can't decide ๐ฆ
lusty grotto
im actually very close to your problem
all im missing is chest
and im thinking i should roll for it just because
i could always use for offspec
if you think you have a guaranteed shot at chest from Mythic Champs and you would like the third bom i see no issue with rolling helm
charred ermine
i wonder if BoM over RNG would be worth it ot try rolling for. My gut feeling says probably no
lusty grotto
uhh
charred ermine
i guess sims will answer that tho
lusty grotto
BoM will probably be slightly stronger
lusty grotto
UHHH
@undone sun
@sick sentinel
so it DOES WORK with devastator
maximum ST cheese inc
Holy shit that made my ISP die
lucid kelp
finally got Refracting prism
lusty grotto
gz!
lucid kelp
wait @lusty grotto am I reading that right? Reckless flurry is the Fury trait right?
lusty grotto
yes
lucid kelp
huh...neat
modern brook
this changes the game
undone sun
well
lucid kelp
but you have togive up booming voice
undone sun
the theory is that RF should increase deva damage
but since deva is separate, it doesn't
lusty grotto
well
it doesnt increase auto attacks
its displayed the same way
its a separate hit
that's why i was curious to begin with
because if it was just an increase, it would have been exactly like CoS ring as you said
at least without devastator i mean
lucid kelp
any tips for playing Prot in Tetris99?
undone sun
hmmm
lucid glen
So, what's the current consensus on trinkets? Are we rolling with dps trinkets or?
I have access to a 410 button, 410prism, and a 395 eye
vocal skiff
every time I go healing on my druid
I ache to go back to prot warrior
the amount of bad pulls by tanks
sloppy tanking
I am not very good, but I do take the time to do some research lol
junior nacelle
has anyone simmed bastion of might on arms yet?
oblique garnet
@lucid glen are we talking mythrax 395 or rezan?
oblique garnet
It was nerfed on pvp because it was too good on arms
oblique garnet
Pre nerf you could just warbreaker into bladestorm with avatar and it basically killed anyone
finite gull
Hm. Got a 400 gorestone block. Strength + crit proc / 400 Glad Insig vers + strength proc
azure dock
how are pallies this expac, I honestly feel like a good bit worse vs warrior
surv wise
or am I playing pally wrong ?
finite gull
Honestly can't decide which one is better out of the two trinkets
junior nacelle
blizzard = no fun alloweed
oblique garnet
This is warrior discord not paladin so hard to say if youre playing pally wrong
azure dock
im a warrior main
oblique garnet
Also both of those trinkets are good
If youre talking warrior vs paladin in terms of mitigation they are weaker
physical mitigation that is
summer basalt
i have a question for curiosity . with zandalari trolls coming the 12th (if..) its worth the racial for a tank warrior? (im goblin)
junior nacelle
isn't it cancelled if you take dmg
finite gull
Yeah it is. But their other racials are kinda decent. The racials make such a small difference I would usually just go with what looks cooler in the mogs haha
If you do like min maxing racials goblin still might be the go to i think
undone sun
tauren ๐คข
junior nacelle
h-heh
summer basalt
i like the racial of zandalar and the transmog on goblin plate is difficult to make a nice one
lucid glen
@oblique garnet rezan
full smelt
would a 405 sinister gladiator's insignia be any good or no ?
warm plinth
I imagine it would be similar to an alc stone, which is decent, but depends what else you have available.
sick sentinel
Well we just 8/9 today which was good, with conclave being an issue for us BUT we one shot mekka and stormwall which is good and a first for us
So tommorow we start on mythic after killing jaina, so I no dps anymore now tank
lusty grotto
nice gz!
willow scarab
Youโll be able to dps your rekills and the first few fights arenโt that damage intensive
The fun boss pumping cokes back soon donโt worry
stoic pilot
Dumb question most likely, can you block Jainas ice shards?
Her primary spam on tanks (if thatโs not the name of it)
willow scarab
I hope so because otherwise Iโve been using shield block exclusively for damage
๐
stoic pilot
Lmao
stoic pilot
Thanks, appreciate that!
distant crystal
is intimidating presence any good?
broken gale
that spreadsheet is amazing omg
distant crystal
eh, guessing impassive visage is better
warm plinth
Yeah, Impassive Visage is better.
willow scarab
Impassive visage is really nice to play with
Intimidating shout is only ever really used for an interrupt in keys and if enemies ran further it would be a problem so itโs actually a bad Azerite
vocal elm
You keep TC trait if its 15 ilvl below the replacement piece, correct?
warm plinth
If it's your only DC piece, yes.
undone sun
oh, should definitely specify the correct trait ๐
warm plinth
Oh, yeah I guess that could mean Treacherous Covenant
I assumed he meant Thunder Clap XD
vocal elm
Yeah thats what I was meaning by TC. Couldnt think of the name of the trait off the top of my head
Fucked up and DE'd my shoulders to get 415 not noticing it was my only DC trait
willow scarab
Item restoration for you then buddy
vocal elm
Used the Titan Residuum to buy new shoulders. Dont think they do it through all that.
warm plinth
They will, but you have to have the amount of residuum you got from DEing them to pay the CoD
willow scarab
You could farm some TR to pay the tax
Or I guess one week without DC wonโt end your warrior career then fix it next week
vocal elm
Ah didnt think I could do that. Looks like ill be doing some other runs to get the amount I need
warm plinth
How much do you even get for DEing 400s?
warm plinth
Ah
vocal elm
I was 25 short. So I mean what a few M0s
warm plinth
Yeah. Be nice if they'd make the azerite pieces from WQs epic so there'd be a reason to do WQs even past the point of upgrades.
willow scarab
Might be quicker to run normal
Yeah they do have a reason
Paragons ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
warm plinth
No mounts ๐
willow scarab
Pets tho ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
warm plinth
Hard pass
I've gotten two 7th Legion ones by accident lol
Had a guy in general chat somewhere yesterday asking how to get 7th legion rep easier ๐ค
daring marlin
Iโm just happy
I got a rando today
shoulders
and theyโre the same skyscorcher Iโm already wearing
๐
warm plinth
That's me with every Darkshore quest and every Tortollan emissary.
Thanks turtlebois for giving me the same ring I have but 5 ilevel lower. ๐
willow scarab
I feel that
I had 3x the shoulders of the horned horror
which I feel are the most bin of the 6 options
dense flame
some of the intial temple trash areas are actually annoying
this week
like prolly 2 packs between start and 2nd boss are actually dumb
exotic spoke
Fuck my life
Doing TOS
On last boss
Doing well. 3 minutes left on timer
About to kill last mob on first wave - leap puts me through the ducking floor and I canโt get back up
Have to wipe. Miss timer... thanks blizzard
ionic fern
Feels bad.
dense flame
Oh god
exotic spoke
Yup
sharp warren
is dwarf or DI better for m+?
undone sun
dark iron is pretty much an empowered dwarf
sharp warren
and ne is only good if all my group can vanish o shadowmeld?
ionic fern
I enjoy Rezans/Animated blood.
And yes @sharp warren . Not sure if you can do the DH skip as warrior where you Fear->everyone runs past without touching the mobs->and you shadowmeld.
distant crystal
@exotic spoke last week I started a KR key and the door never opened
insta rip
tried going in and out, logging out, nada
modest wedge
you shall not pass
sick sentinel
should i stack unstable flame or have 1x unstable and 1x overwhelming power
broken gale
the OP stacks fall off fast so i'm not so sure
inland mesa
I got the G.M.O.D and triple BoM dream from 1 raid boys ๐
broken gale
nice
inland mesa
you have to pull almost the entire instance, that's insane
broken gale
so what would ya'll rock: 400ilvl blade of encroaching death (haste/vers) or 410ilvl servant splitter (no secondary, chance to bleed)?
inland mesa
it doesn't feel good, but the feeling is 410 I believe
broken gale
i lost 1% versatility
rapid tide
defensively the 400.
willow scarab
@sharp warren you can solo a death skip as nelf if you're an engineer so that's a perk as well
@manic river I think most people are using an on-use strength and a proc trinket like vial + rezans
rapid tide
The 410 should do more on ST. I think the dot scales terrible to AoE ...
I'd probably go with the 400.
willow scarab
Serpent splitter is really nice, I used it for a while at 410 because I love damage
rapid tide
Ye, the damage is noticeable indeed. But probably same as Geti'Ikku that it does not really scale to AoE?
willow scarab
It's definitely the worse defensive choice and the splitter did 2-5% of my damage depending on rng
everchill does 4% for reference
2-5% butcher cut + 10ilvl wep damage means you'll do noticably more, however you will lose some damage because of the splitter having no stats
so it's not just ridiculously better but it is better is what i'm saying
bronze lantern
Would only use splitter if its >=5ilvl to your other weps
sick sentinel
guys i got a question, for BOM to be useful do i have to have shield block uptime 100% ? even if i dont take any dmg
rapid tide
@sick sentinel if you tell me a way to get 100% shield block uptime, I'll gladly listen.
broken gale
i do like the survivability, i'll play around w/ both
rapid tide
Also how is BoM related to SB?
willow scarab
maybe stick to blade if you're below like 405ilvl
sick sentinel
oh nvm thought the trait said "increases your shield block"
bronze lantern
i mean in dungeons you can get really high SB uptime with bolster and the recovery windows between packs
Bom gives you GIGA crit block, so on big pulls you barely take dmg from trash' melee during ava+sb
rapid tide
Yonah nah, it just gives you Mastery and a free IP on casting Avatar.
It's really nice with SB.
broken gale
increased chance, not amount though right?
bronze lantern
Yup
broken gale
brace for impact and iron fortress for amount
willow scarab
ignore what i just said actually i just checked again and i'm wrong
daring marlin
I hate it
willow scarab
i've de'd like 8 since season 2 started and haven't had even a 400 vial drop
bronze lantern
๐ข
willow scarab
no rezans either
daring marlin
410 vial for me
willow scarab
400 socket and 415 socket block eases the pain... a little
daring marlin
๐
daring marlin
hmmmm
willow scarab
but now that i'm 414 that just doesn't cut it anymore
daring marlin
I want another nice on-use trinket
willow scarab
yeah get gladiator's badge
bronze lantern
pvp ๐ข
sick sentinel
willow scarab
sell 10s
sick sentinel
do i swap these?
willow scarab
buy carry
bronze lantern
idk on use is good, but its annoying as prot with AM
willow scarab
I would swap because i rate mastery over vers and like stamina
but that's me
maybe you prefer vers
willow scarab
anchor is so disappointing i'm really unimpressed
alch trinket is nice if you're an alch
bronze lantern
?? >4% overall is pretty good
bronze lantern
Thats really not bad for a trinket bois
daring marlin
I did a massive pull before first boss
willow scarab
I've got a 400 anchor and it's below 400 badge and my 415 block for ST
bronze lantern
Yeah well obviously
bronze lantern
But on actual keys anchor does something when you inevitably have to kite, even if just for a bit
willow scarab
i guess
tiger's lust, rop, stuns, etc etc slows is enough for me
i'll try it again in a 16 or 17 maybe
bronze lantern
luckily leech is balanced
manic river
how much haste is too much for prot ? 30% raw ?
bronze lantern
theres no such thing is too much
undone sun
well, there is but it's unreachable
dont worry about soft or hard caps
no breakpoints
etc.
manic river
i have 22% raw haste (no buff from first row talent) and 42% mastery, i was wondering if maybe i should start geming for mastery instead of haste
undone sun
no
bronze lantern
as long as theres gaps in your AM haste has defensive value ๐คท
manic river
another thing, i got a 385 feather from tortollans cache, is it worth to align it with avatar ? their cds pretty much are the same
or should i keep using the 400 vial
warm plinth
Keep using the 400 vial
ionic fern
Vial is nice with Avatar..especially if you got BoM since it starts off with max benefit right away.
manic river
@ionic fern sorry, BoM ?
oh bastion of might, yeah ive got 2 of those
i was wondering if the feather would be nice because its an on use trinket that gives mastery too, aligning it with avatar for a solid dps+defensive cooldown, but i wasnt able to crunch the numbers with raw str converted into armor
btw, i've seen tanks using siphoning as the weapon enchant, i've seen some with starwart navigation and most of the dudes run quick navigation, why is that? personal feeling? some builds that are viable ?
undone sun
siphoning has no solid ground, it's entirely a confirmation biased
ionic fern
Some people also run with Ravager - doesn't mean it's correct.
Quick Navigation is the default go-to regarding wpn enchants.
bronze lantern
go fast or go home
manic river
the argument around siphoning is that you convert ignore pain shield as healing, but like i said, looks weird to me
ionic fern
The real question is - how much does it benefit you and is it enough to outweight Quick Navi?
Just quickly glancing at logs, i had a 68% uptime on quick navi over the course of a AD +19 in 27 minutes
If you get to pair it with Blood Siphon + Bloodsport you can probably get something out of it.
manic river
@ionic fern would you review my armory and tell me if i have something odd that i should change?
ionic fern
There's rarely anything wrong regarding gear since you are stuck with what you get.
But you can link it if you want. ๐คท
manic river
give me 2 mins that ill get it for you and explain whats happening to me
ionic fern
Jeah, it's frustrating as a tank.
warm plinth
Didn't you just recently get to tank in raids @outer dew ?
outer dew
been tanking for 3-4 weeks now?
warm plinth
Guild disband when the tier was over or something?
outer dew
bruh
chilly brook
Imagine being a dh and unironically running these talents
warm plinth
Yikes
solemn magnet
Any Advice for Mythic Jade fire masters
warm plinth
I wonder if he thought the Xs on icy-veins were the correct talents?
solemn magnet
Getting murdered on my prot warrior 403
chilly brook
Failed the key because he was getting clapped on trash
literally was having to pop my CD's all the time
warm plinth
Like I'm not even sure what path of logic he was following there
quiet crane
feelycraft is a wondeful thing??
maybe he simply liked the talents who knows
i kinda miss the breathe talent for em even though its garbage
warm plinth
Proof that Blizz is out of touch with their game is them thinking they were doing VDH a favor by adding Gluttony as a talent, but not realizing that Meta is actually a trash CD.
quiet crane
lmao yeah the legion artifact made it strong
not anymore
DHS are still trash idk why they have done no tuning for em
makes me think they;re sturggling to balance the reactive with proactive aspect of em
quiet crane
i wholesomely agree
smoky mesa
Hey guys, can someone help me out for m+.. 400 bom/dc/veins/prydaz or 415 bfi/bloodspor/siphoning/ visage helmed? I'll lose IF for DC on another piece
warm plinth
Thyme, you know that's not true. That's why BfA is your favorite expansion.
quiet crane
its to bad to because i actually like how VDH plays
undone sun
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quiet crane
its just so damn weak... and i hate not feeling tanky at all in a tank role
warm plinth
Definitely the 415 then Adye
quiet crane
^
undone sun
wE'Re pUsHing MAgic DamAgE oN TAnKs TO hEALERS
smoky mesa
Leaves me without any bom, but thanks
warm plinth
It's actually super tanky during the 12% of the time they can have Demon Spikes up ๐
Yeah, what a silly design choice. Hey guys, everyone likes how tanks are playing right now; think we should just leave them as is? Nah, let's completely fuck them up so people hate half the specs.
warm plinth
Or at least the opportunity to have 100% uptime with proper play. I wouldn't like them to make them like monks where it's just brainless to have 100% uptime
chilly brook
I mean make it sorta like monks
warm plinth
Like swap Fracture and Fallout, let them have Fracture and FtD at the same time; that would probably do a lot toward increasing uptime.
chilly brook
Except you have to optimize your resource usage to get spikes back
Aka Feed the Demon but not trash
warm plinth
I think FtD is only trash because you have to choose between that and Fallout though. If you could have both, FtD would actually be really good because you could guarantee a lot of fragments with Fracture.
That and Fracture** Not Fallout
zinc vessel
Im pretty sure havoc is the real tankspec for dh
chilly brook
It's .5 seconds per soul
zinc vessel
Imagine having havoc toolkit as a tank
warm plinth
Well yeah, you'd probably have to adjust it up a little bit. But just the swap would go a long way.
At least they would show us they're trying
chilly brook
So you're looking at 4.5 seconds spent to reduce the cd by 2-2.5 seconds
warm plinth
Yeah, if you made it so making sure you didn't cap Fracture charges would ensure 100% uptime, I think that'd be perfect.
chilly brook
Monk spends 1.5 seconds to reduce the CD on their brews by over 4 seconds
Granted that's on a Cd but it's a fairly low Cd
And TP is just free brew CD reduction
warm plinth
Yep.
Oh well, they'll fix it some day. At least our protbois are on fire
Thyme missing the golden age of prot in the worst WoW expansion
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Well, not worst. WoD was still worse.
torn gust
410 rezans or 410 socket gore buster block
warm plinth
Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking
ruby ridge
Is it better to take two Deafening Crash traits or replace one of them with Meticulous Scheming or Dagger in the Back (if yes, which one of these two?). Both pieces got DC in second outer ring so there aren't more class-specific traits to replace with
torn gust
other slot is 425 opulence
warm plinth
Oh, makes sense ๐
zinc vessel
Oof
warm plinth
That's a beauty
torn gust
Yah i main fury in raiding, didn't need more stuff from him so decided to set loot spec to prot, that happened... :p
warm plinth
@ruby ridge Probably the 2nd DC tbh. If you really don't want the 2nd, I'd go with MS over Dagger
But it's close enough I'd prefer the consistency of the 2nd DC over the other two.
zinc vessel
Definetly dont go dagger in the bag, of the top of my head i cant remember meticulous scheming but id prolly go x2 dc for m+
chilly brook
Honestly really all they need to do for DH is just give it the prot treatment, give them a way to extend their mitigation
warm plinth
Scheming is the one that procs and then you cast 3 different spells to get haste for 20 seconds
It's not bad; it's just really odd.
ruby ridge
Ye, i play M+ most of the time, not sure between DC and MS mostly, has any1 tried MS? How often does it proc?
Haste seems really good on prot war
warm plinth
It's probably more DPS than the 2nd trait of DC tbh
solemn magnet
So on Jadefire Masters how do you go prot and not get murdered
warm plinth
I imagine it's probably 1ppm like most other azerite powers
hollow thorn
What trait is MS?
warm plinth
The one that procs, then you have to cast 3 different spells to get a decent chunk of haste for 20 seconds
chilly brook
Meticulous scheming
hollow thorn
Meticulous scheming?
warm plinth
Yeah
hollow thorn
@solemn magnet Spell reflect fireball whenever u can, and dont fuck up MST
solemn magnet
mst?
hollow thorn
Multi Sided Strike
solemn magnet
oh yeah lol
chilly brook
Oh hey glad to see Darkmech is still going at it with the 2 minute boss videos
Oh wow
MST that's unique
random elbow
So. Spellreflect in ToS. How do you do it properly? Blow all CDs and soak the entire thing?
crisp pecan
hello fellow Prtos, it is worth to stack BoM?
ionic fern
If it's not cast on you..walk infront of it and use SR.
random elbow
So it protects all the dmg?
ionic fern
If you time it correctly yes.
random elbow
Nice.
ionic fern
@crisp pecan absolutely.
crisp pecan
fantastic, have 2 of them
remote tusk
Nice. I got a 410 shield. Big upgrade from 385. (Motherlode one),
ionic fern
That's is a big upgrade indeed, gz. : )
remote tusk
Increased my itemlevel by 3 haha.
warm plinth
Congrats
sick sentinel
can I get a refund or something ? I don't want to look at this thing ;_;
warm plinth
I mean, if it's your highest ilevel weapon, you should use it. Weapon DPS + Main stat definitely makes it worth using.
remote tusk
20 itemlevels in weapon damage..
warm plinth
20 ilevels of weapon DPS easily makes it worth it. You're talking about like 2% of a couple stats vs a lot of damage.
chilly brook
You definitely take servant splitter if itโs a huge ilvl boost
warm plinth
If it makes you feel any better, I'm still using a 360 weapon ๐
sick sentinel
My old one is almost perfect
warm plinth
You're crazy lol. That's literally like 2-2.5% secondaries for over 40 weapon DPS, not to mention the 40 strength and 75 stamina
old zephyr
40 STR is not worth the socket
warm plinth
The 2-2.5% secondaries includes the socket
old zephyr
75 stam is Good but Will not change your life
Then the6secondaries vs weapon dps
Offensively splitter is7better
But it is much worse dรฉfensively
crisp pecan
there is stamina socket lel?
bold zinc
is jew howl good?
steady fiber
Would call it decent tanking trinket , for now im runing gem and rezan, kinda nice
ionic fern
For what? m+?
Opu just smooths out the dmg intake since it's a 7k shield - it will get eaten off in less than a second in m+ situations on high enough keys.
hearty pollen
Alright fellas, I'm probably having to go maintank as both our tanks quit this sunday. For mythic BoD progression I have the following trinkets available: 400 block, 405 rezan, 405 gladiator safeguard and anchor. Should I go for rezan and safeguard for mythic tanking?
ionic fern
It will pile up over the course of the dungeon regarding total healing done.
You can pretty safely play DPS trinkets into mythic raids since the value you get from defensive ones in general is pretty minimal.
outer dew
What is glad safeguard
hearty pollen
40k shield when I fall below 25% health, 2 min cooldown
So you'd recommend block and rezan Mwahi?
outer dew
Trash
ionic fern
If i had that setup i'd probably run Rezans+Anchor.
steady fiber
Where you found that trinket Mwahi?
hearty pollen
ah ๐
ionic fern
From google @steady fiber ๐
steady fiber
oh ๐ i thought in game
little ravine
40k every 2 mins, thats like 300hps
little ravine
assuming you'd proc it on cd
ionic fern
Anchor is viable for DPS.
๐
And as i said most defensive trinkets don't bring big enough value for them to be warranted.
In m+ i think @sick sentinel said it's decent as well.
hearty pollen
Roger that, gotta go do some practise for prot ST tanking ๐
outer dew
Anchor isnt that viable for raid though
ionic fern
outer dew
Which if I recall correctly is what he's asking
ionic fern
Why not? It's better than the other options he had. ๐คท
ionic fern
"400 block, 405 rezan, 405 gladiator safeguard and anchor. "
outer dew
Crit does add some defensive value
hearty pollen
Yes got a 400 block aswell
hollow thorn
Anchor is just STR
ionic fern
oh, he's talking about Butcher's Block..for some reason i thought Blockades automatically.
hollow thorn
Anchor is only good for AoE dmg
ionic fern
No.
hollow thorn
It is
hearty pollen
Got big aoe set for m+ with 3x deaf and 2x bom
steady fiber
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFruck me... just bought random peace 415 in hope to get 1x BoM and change old 390 and baaaam i get shity one ๐ญ
ionic fern
I'm doing mythic raiding with x3 BoM & x3 DC. ๐คท We're on Mekka now.
hollow thorn
As it says in guides BoM is bad for raids because u use Avatar on CD, and ur not actively tanking all the time, so it loses value
steady fiber
Why god u hate me
hollow thorn
@ionic fern Why do you hate ur healers?
ionic fern
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hearty pollen
hate 10k reforge costs though ๐
so ridiculously expensive
idk wtf they were thinking
probs needed a gold sink but still
ionic fern
So you think that me playing x3 BoM in raids makes me somehow horrible to heal?
@hollow thorn
hearty pollen
If anyone here has some time, could I send you a simc string and get some help selecting traits and gear from what's available?
ionic fern
@hollow thorn there hasn't been a fight yet where my healers complain about healing me.
If you play properly you will not have any issues surviving the mythic fights with offensive traits.
hollow thorn
You still take less dmg if u actually use defensive traits
Or good defensives traits
ionic fern
I mean, by all means you can use defensive traits.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't use them - they do what they do, reduce the dmg/heal it up etc depending on the trait.
I'm arguing that you don't NEED to use them.
distant crystal
i think in a raid setting you gain less from offensive traits, and probably also from defensive traits, than in m+
hollow thorn
You dont NEED them, but using them reduces the dmg you take, which reduces the healing you need. And the healers can heal other ppl instead
tacit solstice
avatar with 3x MoB is rly high crit block chance
hollow thorn
Yes, but BoM is not good in raids
cus u pop ava on CD
and if u pop it whne u dont have boss it doesnt do shit
ionic fern
It does damage + generates rage + reduces your other defensive CD's due to AM.
bright arrow
Hello everyone ! I've got a question about dps trinket : what is better between a 400 vial of animated blood and a 395 Sinister gladiator's badge ? I think that badge is better because it lines up better with avatar, but i'm not sure ...
hollow thorn
Badge is a PVP trinket, its pretty shit for PVE
BoM does dmg, it does not generate rage and it doesnt reduce CD of other defensives?
bold zinc
how do you feel using TC on raids?
ionic fern
BoM Avatar with Unstoppable force makes your TC be usable every other GCD which generates rage and also have a chance to reset SS which also generates rage.
....
hollow thorn
Why are you talking about Unstoppable Force?
Literally irrelevant
US is good no doubt
But its not a part of this discussion
bold zinc
i asked if TC is good
hollow thorn
Treacherous?
bold zinc
ye
ionic fern
How on earth is it unrelevant??
hollow thorn
How is it relevant to the discussion
ionic fern
Unstoppable force is the reason you can generate a ton of rage due to being able to TC every other GCD which as i mentioned before has a chance to reset your SS for even more rage.
clever mountain
TC plenty great for tanking
hollow thorn
But how is it relevant to the discussion?
hollow thorn
No
ionic fern
"BoM does dmg, it does not generate rage and it doesnt reduce CD of other defensives?" And i explained it to you what i ment by it.
hollow thorn
We are talking about how BoM isnt good for raids?
ionic fern
Also, why on earth is sinister badge bad in PvE since it's from PvP? o.o
undone sun
wat
ionic fern
???
glacial flint
m+ when the healer healed more himself than me (tank) ๐
ionic fern
Okay, anyways back to the topic.
The only time i'm gonna go defensive traits is on Blockades when i'm solo soaking the puddles then i'm gonna use bloodsports but that's about it.
Your survival depends on your own play much more than having some defensive traits.
quartz pond
wtf
bastion of might generates rage because there's a talent that lowers the CD on TC
ionic fern
Avatar - read the whole chat.
small storm
ionic fern
Cause talking purely from DPS point of view 3x DC is the way to go on AoE.
With x3 BoM ofc.
hollow thorn
but not in raids
ionic fern
Jeah, ofc on ST BfI etc does more dps.