you cant kill me
#protection
opal peak
i wouldnt mind 420 vial and rezans
stone cloud
i just clap yoooos faces off
lusty grotto
yawn
exotic spoke
Booty clap on that face?
stone cloud
yeety
modern brook
Clap is blockable
digital frigate
Hello friends.
sand egret
Classic Prot War stand off.
lusty grotto
hey
modern ocean
hey guys, is bonded souls worth to take as prety low ilvl tank for m+ pugs, im 388 ilvl, and if its worth should i take 2 or just one
exotic spoke
digital frigate
According to the doc guide Bastion > Iron Fortress. Is this still true when I have BFI / Iron Fortress? The other chest has BFI and Bastion. I effectively have 3 BFI's equipped.
sand egret
mind you, the guide has diff rankings for content (specifically for M+ vs Raid)
lusty grotto
^
digital frigate
For Raiding, is what I'm reading.
sand egret
so the answer to your question is somewhat contextual
lusty grotto
what bladesong said
digital frigate
Not Mythic+ pushing. Sorry.
stone cloud
ok back to work bois
opal peak
monkaS
sand egret
yeah then BFI
BoM loses value in raids due to outlying factors + importance of Avatar rotationally
modern brook
@modern ocean THe Sea Swell chest plate and breastplate of the deathbound are the only 2 azerite pieces where u should consider bonded souls > Other option
sand egret
namely, its good when its up but can lose a lot of value saving it for a mechanic
simple mural
So just got a weapon out of my chest, Siphoning or Quick Nav for my enchant?
sand egret
Quick
native pawn
Can someone run down to me how to solo tank champion of the light?
sand egret
Dont go Siphoning
lusty grotto
hunter got TUR bull
modern brook
@native pawn in H you time your SR to the last one before seal change
opal peak
TUR
modern brook
then run a bit to add time
digital frigate
So would the chest with Iron Fortress and BFI be better than the chest with BFI and Bastion?
Based on your explanation, I mean
modern brook
in M you just SR during Fallen
modern ocean
thx bullfango
modern brook
THey changed the duration since that video
lusty grotto
pre-nerf
modern brook
U might be able to get it during WoL
I find it easiest to just do it during SEal changes
lusty grotto
that's heroic though
modern brook
TBH unless you're like 375 you should be able to hold all your stack
and just zerg the boss down
native pawn
so about what time would I SR like time remaining
Im 406
but my guild dpsers suck lol
lusty grotto
in heroic just 3 tank it , or have the add tank taunt
if you dont have the dps that is
exotic spoke
^^
lusty grotto
otherwise just zerg
modern brook
Ideally; you time the SR to the last application before seal change
then Kite away
you can also kite and SR
native pawn
like just leap away basically?
lusty grotto
its tricky though
modern brook
like i said you should be ok to just not drop
Strong second option:
Battle rez as a cooldown
lusty grotto
easier to 3 tank/zerg/get taunted by addtank or dps
modern brook
^
lusty grotto
your a prot
native pawn
I want to two tank it
lusty grotto
why do people have prot tank the boss anyway
i always go "listen im a prot warrior"
IM ADD TANK THAT IS FINAL
modern brook
ME WANT MOOOOOOOOOONGO - nim, 2019
opal peak
just kill all the adds
lusty grotto
really doesnt matter, you have more than enough time
opal peak
ez
lusty grotto
to use your own interrupt to position them
modern brook
You dont have to do shit except not kill them during the wrong time
native pawn
I just learned the trick with the stairs to los them
modern brook
They actually do nothing
native pawn
but only works for the first two cons
I'm just trying to pad my parses honestly lol
and it doesnt work when adds are standing in cons
native pawn
ikik
modern brook
Nimchip: hunter got TUR bull
wtf?
native pawn
I did 11.1k on boss last week I guess I'd get more tanking adds even if they stand in cons for a bit
modern brook
the underot?
lusty grotto
yeah
modern brook
😠
native pawn
UR not too bad this week?
lusty grotto
then you can do it with guild if its something we dont want :p
modern brook
Sounds ok to me
lusty grotto
nah UR is manageable, but some bridge packs and packs after 3rd boss might be rough
modern brook
I def expect to deplete w/ guild
But they;re my buddies and i want them to have big girl keys
also them having big girl keys means more big girl keys for me :^)
lusty grotto
ok just let me know what you get
modern brook
KK
modern brook
yes and no
lusty grotto
cause id be willing to gear up whatever you need to run keys
modern brook
I dont really run keys on my war cause they tend to be guild-ran shit shows
which really kills my desire to tank keys
native pawn
Yeah being guild tank sucks
lusty grotto
shit man
native pawn
In a mediocre guild
wary gyro
Story of my life right now
modern brook
I think we're a slightly above mediocre guild
lusty grotto
dont worry, at least your guild isn't as bad as my DH friend's lol
modern brook
a lot of my guildies are a lot of fun and very good tor un with
others less so
🤷 thats every guild tho
native pawn
My guild has been 7/9h for like 3 weeks lol
lusty grotto
that guy had 2 good players, the rest were fucking terrible
guild*
like downright
piss poor
horrible
lusty grotto
id rather you clap
modern brook
probably similar ilvl lower DPS on fury
lusty grotto
can hpal ez
lusty grotto
lol nah
modern brook
modestchip
lusty grotto
did you forget how i fucked that UR drop ROFL
supple path
Was doing normal champions yesterday, tried to reset stacks and it promptly summoned me back to it, hah.
lusty grotto
i swear i got stuck on the stupid spider web shit
supple path
Yeah definitely, was on the opposite end of the room when it happened
modern brook
I just leap up and down the wall we tank her on
supple path
near those mole machines while it was in back right corner
supple path
Deeeeeeeply stupid that they made that boss summon tank but yeah.
Does feel like distance is exactly what triggers it
modern brook
Its hard to explain the reset i hate when ppl ask aboutit
Its def a feel it out sorta thing
on M its free as hell
in heroic theres like a sweet spot
lusty grotto
my xmog got copied
supple path
Feels like "leap during a cast that starts when you're at 12s or lower on debuff duration, never get more than 30 yards away from boss, when debuff has < 5s left, hit spell reflect + reengage."
lusty grotto
supple path
Though in reality my real favored strat for champs on non-mythic is "let's see how high my stacks can get before I die, then demand battleres"
modern brook
Yeah like i said
Viable alternative
BR as a CD
if other ppl are dying in H CoL just gkick them
wary gyro
That's the one my RL always tells us to use
supple path
hit 23 in that normal
wary gyro
I've had up to 20 on heroic before
opal peak
@lusty grotto UR trash after third boss? there's only like 2 pulls after third boss
supple path
hilariously the stacks actually faded at 23...then I died 1s later to something else.
you get some fun fights when you join normal pugs with the criteria of "who looks like the absolute BIGGEST failbarge"
lusty grotto
not if you're used to pulling the skelly pack
anyway its only tougher cause of the sheer number on some packs
i gotta revise our routes
lusty grotto
just speaking without checking the routes atm
supple path
god the biggest problem with teeming is route adjustments
modern brook
I hate tanking teeming
lusty grotto
bridge at the start might be rough too
modern brook
last time i did it in SotS
I was off by fucking 0.3 because i did it in the week before in MDT
supple path
Tanking right now is like "okay so your mitigation is good your damage is good your self-healing is good but how's your cartography?"
opal peak
well ya, the skelly pack is 1 of the packs
but that seems like the only abd 1
bad*
tho i forget what it looks like w/ teeming
i just know the worm there sucks
wary gyro
Yeah that's the thing I hate most about teeming is the route change
modern brook
IIRC they put a worm right in the skip
modern brook
and the Tick + maggot pack between boss 1-2
has 4 maggots
i think the rest is the same
opal peak
but can't do that if im on my war but should be a lot more dmg to make it ok
ya that pull is gunna be fun
dumb maggots
modern brook
I hate that they;re "fetid maggots"
opal peak
lol
modern brook
because my dyslexic ass cannot handle that combination of letters
supple path
sounds like someone may have dropped some metid lines in voice
modern brook
stun the______ :^(
opal peak
im used to pulls on monk, if i go serious on war i gotta get used to not having my ring
stone cloud
Clap harder
opal peak
well ya, diff is instead of knocking things, i just kill things
supple path
Those were so goddamn annoying with skittish/bursting this week.
stone cloud
Yar what was?
supple path
maggot packs
opal peak
lol
stone cloud
By the time 3 aoe stuns wore off they were ded
opal peak
i run rsham, rogue, lock, X
modern brook
yaaarrrr
opal peak
with me normally on brew
stone cloud
The spriest was so sour
last mason
Can you use light movement for a better idea of how IR sims
opal peak
ooph
stone cloud
He’s like “I finish a VT cast and it’s all dead”
opal peak
spriest with double dh
supple path
Finally ran with an spriest the other day, and man, so many things where a DPS dropping mass dispels makes everything 10x easier
Reaping for one
stone cloud
Yup
opal peak
i've seen a lot of fun looking things druids could do, i kinda wish my healer would work on his other toons but earth ele is pretty Pog so
stone cloud
He started doing that because it wasn’t worth him doing dps
wary gyro
I run with an priest but he forgets he can click mass dispell
modern brook
@last mason 1) I dont think prots apl is built out enough to really trust the number in the first place 2) To my knowledge light movement isnt worth simming but I dont remember why I'm remembering this being said to me.
supple path
That's when you start doing the reaping while fighting other trash.
stone cloud
Usually did it with bosses
opal peak
tru, i only recently started pulling mobs with reaping
we're only just starting pushing keys so we aren't super comfortable yet
supple path
I had a freehold run where he accidentally aggrod a pack every single reaping
opal peak
so we brute force it
stone cloud
So priest could funnel a bit on boss
supple path
and it just always turned out good
opal peak
"accidentally"
supple path
I saw the backpeddling
modern brook
Are Spriests the ones that can dispel all of the stacks on Jes at once?
supple path
no one backpeddle pulls on purpose
modern brook
or does any purge do hat
supple path
Good question, because yeah, that was the other magical thing that occurred - that boss is a goddamn joke when you can let that full channel go off.
Need blood elf science.
sick sentinel
What's the max stack
sick sentinel
Lol
modern brook
🤷
Tyr Tol you lose in like 3 spots
and they hpapen to be Jes the fire bitch and the last guy
sick sentinel
Fire bitch is easy
modern brook
you just cannon all the trash so im willing to make Jes ~20s longer if its makes the fight safe as all shit
sick sentinel
I've never had a problem with her
modern brook
I dont have issues when people arent worried about their parses
opal peak
like free boss
modern brook
but this is parse country so
sick sentinel
Lol
modern brook
just move the fucking barrels oh my god
opal peak
i remember when i tanked her in a corner
what a mistake
my eyes have since been opened
supple path
Fire lady is exactly as hard as your group makes it yeah.
What do you do now? Last time I tanked her in a corner I had to move 6 barrels the whole fight (and no one else helped at all)
opal peak
if u tank in middle
u only need to move half the barrels
right away anyway
bc she wont hit them all with her thinger
modern brook
oh
modern brook
so the idea is tank in center -> move out of thingers?
opal peak
ya
wary gyro
If you tank in the corner you only have to move half the barrels typically because you out range them
modern brook
I think Id prefer tank in corner move to other corner
supple path
I think I prefer tank in corner stay in corner because about 30% of the dps I pug with will 100% fail to dodge
opal peak
idk i started tanking in middle and it's felt so much simpler making sure barrels didnt fuck us
modern brook
I see it working
supple path
Could see going for a different strat with a set group
opal peak
u can move most of those just outside the circles pretty quickly tho
modern brook
I'd rather just keep a corner free of boombooms
supple path
Yeah, more idiotproof
modern brook
theres also like no contingency if you tank in center
like if something does start lighing how do you get out
opal peak
well so i think we kinda clear it all out every few gos
inland mesa
callous reprisal over bloodborne infusion?
modern brook
prolly
opal peak
like after a little we have most of them stacked on 1 side and they blow
so it never gets too yikes
but tbh we just wing it
so
modern brook
Yeah i mean if it works for you it works
empty inlet
Fire lady is only stupid because of bugs.
modern brook
I just def prefer the corner
empty inlet
And you dont pull him to the middle
empty inlet
You pull him to the middle of barrel
supple path
I'd take blightborne over callous just for the peace of mind of not having to pay attention to callous, but that's probably wrong by the numbers.
modern brook
if very poorly designed with reaping in mind
empty inlet
So she will max shoot at 2 barrel
opal peak
very tru @modern brook i've seen a DH just jump on a lamp post and port all reaping there
but also the damn reaping crabs
are glitchy af
modern brook
I also dislike how vertical it is, if only cause the MDT of it is frustrating to use
opal peak
nameplates
modern brook
though thats more a statement on UI than dungeon design
opal peak
make that dungeon so annoying
modern brook
Also true
opal peak
imagine clicking something to attack only to realize it's on a floor below/above u
modern brook
But like TBH every single boss fight in that dungeon is super fun
supple path
"alright I think we have...somewhere between 4 and 30 monsters in this pull"
opal peak
same with some of waycrest
empty inlet
The difference between fortified and tyrannical in tol/temple is just poor game design
exotic spoke
They don’t design all affixes to be equal
modern brook
I think Fort and try should be equal tbh
they're nearly as stagnant as the seasonal
exotic spoke
They should imo, but this is better than legion imo
exotic spoke
Better design on the types of mechanics to include with consideration to affixes
Experience helps.
modern brook
I will say fuck grevious
exotic spoke
Tyrannical was much harder than fortified in legion
modern brook
dungeon design was also very different in legion
where most bost fights were simon says and RNG
opal peak
legion m+ was better
exotic spoke
I loved MOS but then who didn’t
opal peak
bc u could do more
exotic spoke
Reflecting on first boss was great
opal peak
more flexibility
bfa dungeons have very little variation
like ur doing the same routes just maybe different groupings of the same mobs
exotic spoke
In that the affixes - specifically tyrannical and fortified - seem more balanced this time around I’d disagree
opal peak
aside from 1 or 2 dungeons
exotic spoke
You had set routes in most of legion all the time.
modern brook
yeah im not sure what you're talking about cuddles
I had 2 routes for every dungeon in legion
1 for teeming 1 without
In fact thinking about it
exotic spoke
Class comp didn’t matter at all really in legion. Up until 20s or so
modern brook
most legion dungeons were a straight line
exotic spoke
^^ barring that one in suramar
opal peak
man idk
modern brook
court?
modern brook
Arcway?
modern brook
the one that waycrest does significantly better?
exotic spoke
More variation. Even if you have a preset path you still have options within that path
opal peak
fair
modern brook
I want to be in a haunted house. I dont want to be in poopy sewers 🤷
modern brook
I refused to tank arccway
opal peak
lol
opal peak
i barely tanked m+ in legion
modern brook
(i say with no score in waycrest season 2)
modern brook
the big thing for me with waycrest is that its split in half
its a 2 part dungeon so the changin path felt less tedious and more of a reactionary thing
I remember ARcway being confusing for me to path through, know what to pull etc
And again I didnt tank it very much, but Waycrest feels much more intuitive to work within even the first time i ran it
exotic spoke
Was about 2400 in legion. I just didn’t care about pushing much
supple path
The most confusing part about Arcway to me was why so many DPS appeared to have conscientious objections to interrupting.
empty inlet
Only complain about legion was warlock
supple path
So many pulls there that were binary "easy if all interrupted, impossible if spells get through"
exotic spoke
Oh?
empty inlet
How did aff warlock even get past beta
exotic spoke
Lol. How did the ability of a prot warrior to get 1.4 million HPS get through testing
opal peak
i mean there were a lot of yikes things in legion
exotic spoke
I out healed every single healer on the fight I did that.
opal peak
like having a group fuck up and "wipe" on a boss early but having the bdk kill the last 60-70% anyway
last mason
whats better, a third dc or a second bom
opal peak
bom
exotic spoke
What’s your option on the second dc?
opal peak
DC stacking is minor dps increase BoM is Pog
last mason
then tradewinds or iron fortress
opal peak
u really only need 1 DC
exotic spoke
Always class specific traits. The guides have the priorities based on the content
modern brook
Prot went from top parsing healer to top parsing dps
exotic spoke
What are you taking a second DC over?
modern brook
Maybens soon we can be top tank :)
last mason
it would be a third dc or second bom, same tier
supple path
BoM adds more DPS than DC AND defensive value
modern brook
2nd bom
exotic spoke
No sleepy. What did you take your second DC over?
exotic spoke
I’d take IF over the second DC
last mason
oh my second dc is over either bs or another if
because its on hhead and chest as well
exotic spoke
Drop that DC and take IF
last mason
oh really?
exotic spoke
You only want 1 DC in the majority of situations
last mason
guess the dps meme dream really was a meme
opal peak
a second DC is v minor dps increase
last mason
gotcha yea, champ chest
exotic spoke
BoM pumps up that damage a good amount too during avatar
last mason
the if dmg? isnt that like miniscule though
opal peak
the survivability is worth more than the dps increase of a second DC
exotic spoke
I’m exhausted lol
last mason
oh so u were saying the dc dmg isnt really neccesary
exotic spoke
I’m misstyping at work lol
modern brook
survivability doesnt help me fucking parse
exotic spoke
Lack of heals obviously
modern brook
:grrr:
exotic spoke
Space goat only works once every 3 minutes
modern brook
the block should be in the stat sheet sleepy, if thats what you're asking
exotic spoke
Horde feelsbadman unless you’re goblin
opal peak
i am
modern brook
IIRC IF increases the damage reduction not the block chance
exotic spoke
Then you’re acceptable
modern brook
which is why its really good
exotic spoke
I have a second warrior horde side I need to level up - obv a goblin
opal peak
warm plinth
Yeah IF is damage reduced
sick sentinel
Anyone have a weak aura that shows whenever you have a healer tank CD on you?
opal peak
but my pally is 110 and i dont play um
modern brook
@sick sentinel #ui-addons-manager is a good place to look for auras like that if people here cannot help you
I personally just talk to my healers
sick sentinel
Yeah I do too, but they’re like “already have it on you SMFH” lol
modern brook
dont they have the no-die totem
opal peak
like a big rock man or bright circle
sick sentinel
So if they’re proactive I wanna know beforehand
exotic spoke
On disc with my healer in m+ - Druid so we just call it out
modern brook
BIG ROCK MAN makes me BIG ROCK MAD 😠
sick sentinel
Before asking over disc like a jackass haha
modern brook
fucker only comes out when i trying to move shit
modern brook
DO U MIND?
sick sentinel
I’m speaking specifically in raid. I guess I can make one that triggers under any of the external CD’s
But I didn’t want to. 😂
modern brook
I dont imagine writing one being particularly difficult
its a boolean check across like 7-8 spell ids
im sure theres an external tracker in wagio somewhere
and again the channel i linked is possibly more useful than us
exotic spoke
Need to fix the transmog when I play horde again
empty inlet
Just play like you dont have an external :GWomoRaphiOhMy:
opal peak
but yeah ill think about asking for earth ele for a pull like 1 or 2 packs ahead
and next thing i know i see it dropped
and cry
my pally has a pretty Pog slutmog
my only slutmog
exotic spoke
I rock that HWL gear or Vengeful glad
thorny laurel
Is there a WA that tells in chat how much you reflected from SR?
exotic spoke
Guys... I’m exhausted and can’t remember.... is the added block value from BfI or IF the same at all ilvls
exotic spoke
But, in general they are independent of Ilvl
modern brook
no the value of block given scales with ilvl
BFI gives ~83.5% the amount of block IF gives per stack
regardless of ilvl compared
exotic spoke
So, where can I find the values then at 415 Azerite levels
modern brook
exotic spoke
I want to make sure I’m using the correct numbers
modern brook
ocean acorn
bullfango
exotic spoke
Thanks
ocean acorn
Crystalline Carapace or Blood Siphon
modern brook
I prefer carapace
exotic spoke
Was looking for it on icy veins and it liked to wowdb
modern brook
but stats are v good still
CC is the reason i prefer BFI > IF tbh
its basically an inner ring IF
very high uptime very useful effect
ocean acorn
i was looking at logs from my dungons last night and leech healed me for 25% of my over all healling
modern brook
ur healer is very rude
ocean acorn
huh?
ocean acorn
does leech have dr
chilly brook
Anyone trying to do M0s?
modern brook
not to my knowledge
modern brook
~40 leech = 1% damage->health
so u should be at like ~9ish
maybe 8
depending on rounding and ui
finite gull
Is big red button any decent for damage. Or should I just stick with a 395 socketed vial. Just got a 410 button from keystone box
ocean acorn
i think im at high 8
ocean acorn
ok so maybe since i have so much leech CC isi better then
i just got the uh
Desert Guardian's Breastplate
modern brook
I mean 1 leech is 1 leech; regardless of how much leech u have.
I think CC is better than 1 leech
but that value doesnt decrease with more leech
ocean acorn
from my random 415
modern brook
assuming you alrady have a DC: I would do CR BOM CC Vampiric if you're doing highish keys gemhide otherwise
i would also highly reccomend taking the 5 ilvl boost
Not a lot of ppl are doing that but i bet it'll catch on near the end of the season
ocean acorn
so Currently im using the 415 engi helm
i also have the helm of the raptor king but i have been likeing cauterize
modern brook
Engi helm is dope imo
ocean acorn
then shoulders are sky scorchers pauldrons
then desert guardians breastplate
use to have divine breastplate
all 415
i think ill do DC BOM CC Vamp
helm is BS RNG UF and CAUT
modern brook
U should use OP on the mid ring
ocean acorn
ya let me double check what ihave
modern brook
I have BoM/BFI/UF/GH + CR/BOM/CC/VS + DC/RNG/OP/CAut for shoulders /chest/helm respectively for recommendations
ocean acorn
ya i can change it to OP
ya thats basically what i have but neck is only 41 so cant get the gemhide
or the vs
modern brook
Im at like 36 so no judgement here
ocean acorn
i feel
ok so ill do that then
i was trying to find a log with some one who took CC
potent anvil
as long as you're not picking traits like me:
https://i.imgur.com/vGRmfd2.png
You should be fine. 
potent anvil
its like treacherous covenant without the negative, ez.
modern brook
U got me there
ocean acorn
lol
ppl be like u should choose <insert defensive trait here>
Deswind be like "but does that trait give u dmg?"
no damage not taking it
exotic spoke
I mean it’s not a bad mindset to have
ocean acorn
death is the best cc
exotic spoke
Once you’re surviving your goal is to maximize dps
ocean acorn
ya i mean i bet he pumps
sick sentinel
we wiped on yashma
at 10%
with 30 sec on timer
+20
fuck this game
reset is in a few hours as well
exotic spoke
Wiped on last boss of TD last night. Priest went for engineering brez on the dps that died.
Got behind... couldn’t catch up. Wiped at 10%
red sun
ravager is definitely the play this week in keys
sick sentinel
281 haste mastery ring or a 308 vers and mastery ring with 78 leech same ilvl is it worth to take the ring with 78 leech and lose 281 haste?
opal peak
i'd take the haste... but i have very little haste
timber nest
whats tyhe consensus team
opal peak
so biased
timber nest
sick sentinel
i have 16% haste with the leech ring
opal peak
i'd prob stick with leech then, but im no pro war
red sun
wondering which two rings to use 🤔
unborn island
Resto sham, 6k hps on a +10 Siege...guess who didn't make the timer (still with bursting)
Puglife
lime mantle
Generally speaking is ilvl king gearing wise? For all but rings
exotic spoke
Rings too
lime mantle
Wait really?
exotic spoke
More stats is better then fewer specific stats
lime mantle
since when?
exotic spoke
I don’t remember. Yes haste is the best stat assuming all else is equal. But our stats are very close together.
So, it comes down t whatever provides the most stats wins
split willow
You boys think it's better to run two deafening crash for M+ or to take a swirling sands over a second DC?
oblique garnet
take the 2nd dc
split willow
👍
warm plinth
@lime mantle Pretty much since BfA launch. Secondaries haven't been better than ilevel this entire expansion afaik. It's possible that you could sacrifice like 5 ilevel on a ring for something like haste/vers over crit/mast but the general logic is that our secondaries are so close to each other that having more of them is better than having a specific setup. Once we get sims working properly, we'll be able to handle edge cases better (from a DPS standpoint obviously), but that's the safest bet at the moment.
simple bramble
i only tank in m+ but should i run 2x ablative shielding or 1x ablative shielding and 1x elemental whirl?
warm plinth
Essentially you're choosing AS for survival or EW for damage. If you find that you go below 40% health a lot, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go 2x AS. If you don't, or you want to focus more on damage, go with EW, though I'm not really sure what the proc rate is like on that trait. I'm assuming 1ppm.
simple bramble
k thx
opal peak
would y'all go 3 BoM / no bfi or 2 BOM / 1bfi?
sick sentinel
for m+ i prefer bloodsport yet i do +17 and higher
if you can block you already survive anyway when its dot/bleed/magic heavy IP is your only friend
sand egret
if you have a good shield, i'd side with bloodsport tbh
sick sentinel
so getting bloodsport is better imo
opal peak
410
sick sentinel
also getting leech isnt bad it does %2 of my damage 😄
opal peak
crit mast
sick sentinel
of my healing*
warm plinth
Yeah I was about to say what Blade did; if you have a good shield, go with Bloodsport. Otherwise you can use IF to bridge the gap of your shitty shield 😉
warm plinth
I wouldn't consider a 410 a shitty shield, FYI
sand egret
yep and Roac pointed out why the logic is there to take it to shore up our weaknesses (unblockables)
opal peak
neither would i lol
sick sentinel
i got 415 shield its base mythic so i just went bloodsport
summer basalt
navigation vs siphoning (100 leech). i see warrior doing 20 m+ with that enchant its worth ?
sick sentinel
i never tried it leech isnt actualy about with big pulls and spamming thunder clap yet i dont see any point
but also i havent done any key above +19 this season
steel mauve
If you have to ask go quick nav
sand egret
i wouldn't take a look at the top M+'ers and just copy their shit. Often what their doing is min/maxing their own strats
sick sentinel
and up until that point i had literally no issue surviving
yeah what bladesong said
sand egret
so stuff like siphoning is to try and max out the gains of leech on hugely disproportionate pulls
sick sentinel
if you are doing +23 and +22s things might be different yet at that point it will be about your comp not what is best for you
vocal skiff
Ok, I've just been to ML and it was a shitshow lol
usually I pull as much trash as possible before 1st boss
steel mauve
If you look at what top players are doing and if it seems weird or completely against what you're told then dont copy them
vocal skiff
and hide in the house for reapings
but because of quaking, I couldn't do that
my group complained that we couldn't be in the house
so I just had to go through normal route
and every reaping was a mess
sand egret
you could go behind a house 😃
sick sentinel
always los reapings specialy in motherlode and shrine
steel mauve
They are doing some thing that fully suits them and their strats, or they're trolling and watching the sheep copy what they are doing for no reason
sick sentinel
insane amount of casters on those dungeons
warm plinth
2.5% leech is never going to make or break anything; you'll get a lot more value out of the haste from quick nav. I imagine those guys are doing tests with their comps, probably have leech on other pieces so they can stack it, etc. It's highly unlikely that leech will ever save your life, but having a defensive CD back faster might. My 2 cents
summer basalt
ty guys , you are always helpful
vocal skiff
yeah, I usually LoS them inside the house
sand egret
even with quaking it's not much to step out and in
warm plinth
Leech has become kind of a meme in here, and I think some people took it out of context and are now thinking it's valued when it really isn't.
sand egret
the thing with leech which is interesting is that it's a stat that becomes more attractive if the HP : DPS ratio grows in favor of the latter
in cases like reaping where you can artificially make it so, it starts to show more value
esp in cases where damage intake also doesn't increase in the same manner
sick sentinel
yeah well those third stats such as leech and avoidance lost its value alot compared to legion
you can get maybe %1 each item
and even in legion leech wasnt strong tanks were just god-like creatures
sand egret
you can't really compare them to legion
sick sentinel
avoidance was strong but again it was on legion not now
sand egret
as the point is independent of expansion, as long as leech functions the way it does
sand egret
that wouldn't do anything
sand egret
your dps is also being lowered
sick sentinel
wanted to see hps
sand egret
so the relative gains is the same
sick sentinel
yeah i know its only +13 even without leech i can just play defensively if needed rather then lower ilvl
sand egret
the point is that throughout an expansion as gear inflates the ratio of tank hp to tank dps shifts towards dps
ex: if at the start of BFA a single TClap did 1% of your total HP in damage you'd heal for .01% of your hp in a TClap with 1% leech. At the end of an expac if the ratio shifts were str/mast/other damage scaling puts that average TClap at 3-4% of your HP in damage then you start to see it increase in value of each point of leech
so in insane reaping scenarios where DPS gets inflated dramatically but damage intake doesn't (lots of casts, the DoT/casts being major damage sources), Leech's value goes through the roof
(relatively speaking)
exotic spoke
Getting myself prepared for my disappointment box
supple path
The main argument I could see for leech would be if it allowed healers to DPS XYZ% more on certain pulls.
but hell if I know how that math would possibly work out
undone sun
would need quite a lot of leech to sub a healer
supple path
Yeah but how much to reduce healing required by...one global? two? etc
sand egret
tbh I think it's more to help provide a buffer to push the size of the pull than to replace the function of a healer
supple path
I just know my holy paladin outdpses me on single targets, hah.
sand egret
the move seems more supplimentary than complimentary
supple path
So I'm very interested in anything that increases the amount of time they can DPS
undone sun
a decent healer would be able to do that regardless
sand egret
Take less damage 😃
supple path
And a decent healer can also...do more damage if they have to spend less time healing.
undone sun
i'd bet it'd require around 10%
exotic spoke
Druid tosses up hots and cat weaves
supple path
With hpal their best DPS ability is also their best healing ability so there's a lot more of a trade-off than druids.
exotic spoke
I think it’ll be healer dependent
empty inlet
Shaman has highest dps by far
exotic spoke
Strongly so I mean
supple path
Haven't grouped with one this patch, what do shamans tend to pull?
sand egret
rsham be legit my dude
sand egret
"20k" relative to what ilvl?
exotic spoke
What race do you play cen?
supple path
Belf
exotic spoke
Going troll when able to?
empty inlet
Shaman is prob going be best in mdi
supple path
It will have to be dramatically inferior to other races for a long time for me to swap
exotic spoke
I ask because towards the ends of fights my healer tends to stop healing and focus on dps. Topping off in between as we run to next pack. That could help
What did you play in bc then - paladin?
supple path
Yeah.
exotic spoke
Fair
supple path
Was a shaman in vanilla and you better believe I was waiting on that reroll eagerly.
exotic spoke
What you didn’t like being used as the melee groups bitch?
supple path
I didn't like being a healer who was dramatically inferior to paladins at it.
exotic spoke
Totem weaving
supple path
Being WF bitch at least made you feel valuable.
Yeah the trick there was to get with the warriors who gave zero fucks about agility
exotic spoke
Psch! That was crit. 20 agi for 1% crit back then
supple path
god it was, wasn't it. gross.
I forget what excuse I used. Something about grounding totem maybe.
When the real reason was "fuck every part of totem weaving if you're not enhancement"
exotic spoke
We had a paladin who was solely responsible for out of combat rezzing in raid until it was fixed lol
supple path
It wasn't quite "seal of blood twisting" bad but it was close.
exotic spoke
We also had 6 dwarf priests rofl
supple path
In all seriousness though, I really do feel like optimizing healer DPS is the next 'big push' for me on some stuff.
exotic spoke
Absolutely. I said it earlier. First job is surviving. After that it’s about maximizing dps
supple path
Hpal can pull like 30-40k DPS for 20s during CDs, but they always have to use those CDs on gross stuff like healing people.
Probably gonna be hard to optimize it more until I get into a set group instead of pugging DPS
exotic spoke
Ewww. Just run with more DH and let them heal themselves
I was going to ask who you’re running with.
exotic spoke
Does their mastery still give more healing the lower the health of their target?
Yup. Just checked too
Late has a pretty good idea imo
willow scarab
Reston shaman lowers the health of the enemy?
oblique garnet
No
willow scarab
Oh I read that wrong
exotic spoke
They solid dps and then the lower your health is the more they heal you for
exotic spoke
Yes
oblique garnet
They do the same amount single target damage as dps does
willow scarab
I don’t believe that unless my shamans are bad or your dps are
exotic spoke
So forgoing GCDs to dps makes their Heals “better”
willow scarab
Can you post a boss log / details showing your shamans dps?
willow scarab
Wow that’s actually fucked
exotic spoke
How’s there aoe?
oblique garnet
Aoe is meh
willow scarab
Nonexistent?
exotic spoke
Ahh
willow scarab
But you wanna 5+ all the time so
oblique garnet
Yup
willow scarab
Hmmm
lusty grotto
i mean
exotic spoke
If they are pullin 20k single target
lusty grotto
what healer does good dps on aoe situations, outside of cat dots on multiple targets
willow scarab
I might try a shaman soon, 1100 but gets 99 logs for damage in raid
exotic spoke
That’s still a meaningful contribution
lusty grotto
so not sure why aoe matters
oblique garnet
Getting 99 damage logs on healer is cakewalk tho
willow scarab
If it was then they’d all have them
lusty grotto
even rdruids would have issues putting cat dots on more than 5 targets
willow scarab
Arguably so are tank 99s
exotic spoke
True
oblique garnet
You pretty much get that by having your dots on the boss and casting few damage spells here and there
willow scarab
Monk cranes for 5% on aoe and that’s what I like
lusty grotto
still pretty insignificant compared to other healers
hpal/disc/rsham/rdruid destroy mw
oblique garnet
Mw unfortunately doesnt do as much damage than others
lusty grotto
no its not
lusty grotto
its not compared to other healers
oblique garnet
5% damage increase is huge tho
willow scarab
Especially when the dps are huge pumpers to begin with
lusty grotto
i have no fucking clue what you guys are talking about
all i know about MW is that they do the magic debuff
oblique garnet
Mystic touch
willow scarab
Plus you offer it even if you’re having to heal all fight but other healers can’t dps not
DH does magic debuff
supple path
DH are the magic debuff, monks are phys
oblique garnet
It increases physical damage done
willow scarab
Changed your view now?
lusty grotto
depends on group comps
lusty grotto
rdruid/rsham/hpal/disc dps does not depend on whether their teammates are nukers or melee/phys dps
willow scarab
Yeah it was tyrannical it was yesterday
oblique garnet
Yeah thats my point
oblique garnet
Outlaws boss damage is eh
lusty grotto
i dont think you're quite getting
oblique garnet
Unless they get good roll
willow scarab
Is there a reason to not play outlaw ever
lusty grotto
what we're on about
fort week should be good for outlaw
tyr week, not so much
because your overall dps is inflated by reaps
willow scarab
Are you 1200 or is that your alt
lusty grotto
Boss damage
exotic spoke
Hooray! Not a trinket
stoic pilot
just have your outlaw rogue roll 5 buff every boss?
lusty grotto
36k overall does nothing for your timer
lusty grotto
because it is tyrannical
willow scarab
Do your rogues actually go ass
willow scarab
Because I want to knock who’s giving me advice
lusty grotto
im certainly not going through yours
oblique garnet
On tyrannical yes
undone sun
hmmm
lusty grotto
im not even giving you advice
willow scarab
Know*
supple path
Freudian AF
lusty grotto
and yes
we did tell him to go ass
because we'd rather save time killing bosses to make timers
btw he's here too because hes a prot main @modern brook
its almost as if, tyrannical adds HP to bosses
🤷
willow scarab
In high keys the trash still has lots of health though
It’s not like it just dies for you
lusty grotto
in high keys, tyrannical bosses will have WAY MORE hp
supple path
If you spend e.g. 1/3rd of your time doing adds and 2/3rds single targets, doesn't mean AE dps is useless...just half as useful as single target.
oblique garnet
Its not like assa does bad aoe damage either
supple path
we're being really hostile about this
lusty grotto
it happens when i get looked into
like rankings determine whether rational thought is valid or not
willow scarab
Is it not fair to look at your io?
supple path
It's fair to look at. It's not fair to bring up like it's a rebuttal.
willow scarab
Experience in what I’m doing makes the input more helpful
lusty grotto
pretty sure we al know what your intention was gonna be
lusty grotto
its not the first time it happens here
sick sentinel
for our raid
lusty grotto
no, i don't
it's almost as if content requires other players than yourself
so my individual claims or points have nothing to do with what i need other players for
outer dew
Aite. My lazy ass finally 2k
supple path
I mean ultimately to actually make a rational decision here you'd want to be tallying up fight durations throughout the zone and weighing the gap on single target vs AE - which can be done by someone who's never done a mythic as easily as a 3ker
oblique garnet
Tofu talk to me when youre 2.1k 8)
oblique garnet
Jkjk im proud of you
oblique garnet
Oh dw i have few easy lower keys i need to do to get higher
outer dew
Easy
willow scarab
We got a 20fh and td from chest
oblique garnet
Yeah i need better siege
outer dew
Tbh, I might just work on bear now
willow scarab
Feels good doesn’t it
lusty grotto
😮
supple path
And then introduce yourself as that. "Hey, I'm the top bear."
sick sentinel
I need to work on my .io
lusty grotto
nice
outer dew
Taking it to mythic tonight
oblique garnet
Tofu my bear is 1.7k 8))
lusty grotto
nobody cares late, what about your US one
outer dew
Show me this bear
oblique garnet
Im joking its still parked
oblique garnet
My us bear is ded
lusty grotto
nuuuu
oblique garnet
The dream is over
lusty grotto
F
supple path
My bear is waiting for them to rebuff heart of the wild to make you superior to resto druids at healing...while in bearform...for 45 seconds.
I'll love you forever my MoP bear
sharp goblet
Is Vial of a Animated Blood good for warrior protec?
lusty grotto
you mean attac tofu
neon tangle
that is a helluva button
sharp goblet
yea =/
lusty grotto
it could be worse
oblique garnet
Ni
lusty grotto
it could be sporepods
lusty grotto
ROFL
oblique garnet
NotLikeThis
lusty grotto
im sowwy
sharp goblet
i have a butcher block 400 too
oblique garnet
Oh
modern brook
ppl talking shit 😠
lusty grotto
how much damage does a 425 RBD do anyway
oblique garnet
Diamond and block are good
modern brook
best ha ve ashield 😠