protection

[willow scarab]

That explains the damage

Imagine having more than 1 BoM 🥶🥶

[exotic spoke]

I was using 400 eye

[willow scarab]

Use it again

[exotic spoke]

Over 415 jes? Or 400 diamond

[willow scarab]

I would use it over diamond myself because I like double damage trinket

[exotic spoke]

Hrmm. Does your healer contribute much?

Dps I mean

[willow scarab]

I could only justify jes if the dps need vers

When I have cds up he does

[exotic spoke]

DH, Frost mage, shadow priest and resto Druid

With what I’m running now the resto puts up about 10k dps since he’s not healing much

[willow scarab]

Hard for me to comment on that since I always have a monk

And the 5% buff further encourages me to dps

[exotic spoke]

True. An extra 700 -800 for me would be nice too lol

But yeah, if you had your choice of ideal trinkets what would you use to maximize

[willow scarab]

Vial rezans really

Everything else feels weak in comparison

[potent anvil]

did 30k overall in a ML+18. triple dc meme build

[sick sentinel]

3DC 3BoM?

[exotic spoke]

Hrmm, I have 410 vial and 400 rezan's with socket

So I'll look at that

[oblique garnet]

Wait

I can go 3x BoM 3x DC

[native pawn]

400 jes' howler or 395 butcher's block for m+?

[daring marlin]

Deswind your pfp is too cute

it pains me

[undone sun]

[daring marlin]

Haha

[sick sentinel]

[primal crypt]

[red sun]

hi all should i use 415 Mchimbas or 400 Rezans for mythic rasta?

[fallen plume]

so just started getting my prot set together, is one of the best raid trinks really anchor?

as the wow head guide says

[daring marlin]

anchor is amazing damage wise

[fallen plume]

do we just want damage trinkets really then?

[rough egret]

anchor is doing

3-4% dmg of my overall

today I run with 400 engine with 400 anchor

more haste more anchor dmg

did a record in dps today, in peak I was at 230k

kitchen in WM is very good place to breach records 😄

[warm plinth]

You can use defensive trinkets, but few of them are spectacular/always useful @fallen plume The only one that's strongly recommended if you have it is the prism from Opulence. It's fantastic for us because it scales with haste. Most of the others are pretty niche and won't serve you in a consistent/substantial way the way that prism does.

[rough egret]

ye the one I dont have yet..

[warm plinth]

😢

I don't either; don't feel bad.

[rough egret]

im not

or, is it rly visible?

[warm plinth]

Though I don't raid either, so

[rough egret]

the trinket

like having it or not

using *

[warm plinth]

Yeah, from what I have heard, it's definitely noticeable.

[rough egret]

well time to get one

I will spec prot next reset at Opulence 😄

[warm plinth]

👌

[fallen plume]

nice good to know lol I have an anchor already so was like half way done

[azure dock]

is it normal that monks take like double the dmg vs prot in raid?

[warm plinth]

Yeah. Prot is about mitigating damage; brewmaster is about spreading it out and shedding it when necessary.

[undone sun]

+1 stagger smooths out the damage over a longer period of time

[final mist]

BRM doesn't necessarily reduce damage (unless they Purify).

[undone sun]

allows for predictability for healers

[final mist]

It's spread out over 10 (13 if talented) seconds.

Then Purifying Brew will reduce that staggered damage pool by half if they choose to use it at whatever point.

That's why the majority of a BRM's incoming damage will be Stagger damage ticks.

[timber nest]

fucking wish this was high ilevel

is there any wiggle room for items when its a ring? like im losing only a lil stamina but gaining a bunch of haste

[warm plinth]

There's wiggle room, but not 15 ilevels of wiggle room. You're gaining haste but losing total overall stats.

[supple path]

257 haste vs 208 mastery, 36 crit, 63 sta. Honestly pretty close

I have a similar situation with a ring with socket. Ended up wearing the higher ilvl one to look cool in pugs.

[warm plinth]

865 total stats on the 400 (accounting for socket), 915 on the 415

[supple path]

Yeah, though 63 of that is sta, which I value lower than other stats.

[warm plinth]

That's your prerogative. Even ignoring the stamina, you're barely getting more secondaries from the 400 w/ socket. Like 13 more or something. Not worth sacrificing 63 stamina for 13 secondaries imo.

[supple path]

I mean I'd probably go with the 415 too, it's just really, really close. Valuing haste at like 2% more than mastery would make it a wash

[warm plinth]

It'll be nice when we have accurate sims to make these decisions for us, rather than having to feelycraft somewhat.

[supple path]

was just thinking "wish I knew the exact number there"

[warm plinth]

You could probably figure the defensive difference mathematically using Marok's stat analysis (after adjusting shield block CD and Vanguard stats), but DPS would be harder.

[rare bear]

how far is good weapon SERVANT SPLITTER 400ILVL ( MANOR ) VS saber of dread pirate lockwood 410 ( SOB )

[warm plinth]

Servant Splitter is probably the worst possible weapon you could get for a prot warrior. The only way you'd use it is if it were your highest ilevel.

Use the 410

[primal crypt]

The proc on the splitter is abysmal

[rare bear]

tyvm f

[narrow abyss]

ayyy got some IO

nothing like the rest of ya'll

but 17 FH, 17 AD, 16 ML 😃

[warm plinth]

Very nice

[slender patrol]

390 diamond, 395 rezan, 400 butchers block...which two?

[dense flame]

Personally I would go diamon and Rezan.

For defensive. And haste is always nice. Block is solid choice too.

[slender patrol]

yeah that was my first choice too, but i see a lot of block love on here so wanted to get a 2nd opinion. ty 😃

[oblique pike]

was it possible to hit crit block cap in antorus?

[undone sun]

yes

[oblique pike]

was there some special set-up required, or did you just hit 100% crit block from mastery alone? (and maybe nh 2-set)

[brave mauve]

There were a handful of South Korean players I specifically recall looking at their gear and seeing they'd reached 100% Mastery during late Antorus.

[dim blaze]

Kings rest easier to push on tyrannical or fortified weeks?

[brave mauve]

I even asked of anyone here knew why only they were doing it.

[oblique pike]

so it was just literally having shitload of mastery?

[brave mauve]

Yeah

[oblique pike]

do you know how much mastery that was or something?

[brave mauve]

A lot

The NA, EU, and Chinese players were hanging at 40-55% haste instead. 🤷

[dim blaze]

We just missed getting the 15 achievement on KR trying to figure out the next best week.

[lucid kelp]

I really...really hate a lot of things with the current state of WoW....

But I guess i'm a Masochist cause Im still playing

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer dew]

@sick sentinel

:^)

siphon memes

[undone sun]

yikes

was the healer non-existent

[outer dew]

for reaping

made me hate myself less

[lucid kelp]

Fun fact

The cells in Tol dagor close after a short while so It is in fact, Not a good idea to duck into one of them to LoS the reaping add's together

today I learned they close XD

[modest wedge]

well its a good thing mobs also walk through those cells

[tacit solstice]

Thought i would add my 2 cents on mekka in Mythic. Have a go at running ravager and using it if the other tank is in a bot, the amount of parry is insane if you can also run a crit trinket (butchers block is good for this). you take very little damage during a parry AND don't gain a stack as the boss didnt hit you (major)

[undone sun]

hmmm

[ionic fern]

You forgot to add "lol, jk".

@tacit solstice

[tacit solstice]

Whats ur damage taken on your log? @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

I'm on my BDK as a good boye for the grips for that boss. :(
But i mean..just think logically for a second..you either get a 1 min CD Ravager that has a RNG chance of parrying something OR..you take AM and get Demo Shout with it's DR every ~30s and avatar every 45-50s .

[undone sun]

may be wrong but additional crit like procs dont increase parry

battle cry didnt

trinkets didn't

unless it has been changed in bfa...

[tacit solstice]

if the trinket gives crit stat it gives parry

[undone sun]

no

wrong

[undone sun]

Parry is unreliable, you don't want to rely on RNG like parry and procs defensively, Plus with the competing talent row that ravager is on, there is absolutely no scenario where CDR is not favored, even HR has more use.

[steel mauve]

there is never a time that ravager would ever be ahead of AM, ever

[undone sun]

IV: Ravager is still significantly weaker compared to the other two choices on this row. It does not provide a consistent survivability increase, but rather it relies on the RNG nature of parry. Heavy Repercussions and Anger Management both provide a consistent, "guaranteed" survivability increase.

WH:Ravager has been a dead talent for Protection Warriors for a long time now. Pour one out for General Nazgrim, he was a good soldier. Then shovel some dirt onto Ravager’s corpse, it deserves an honorable burial, even if Blizzard won’t provide one.

[steel mauve]

AM is so insanely strong, and ravager's damage is insanely weak, along with parry being unreliable, and AM reducing our cd's which is our entire tool kit

[nocturne lion]

so this might come off a bit dumb, but i was super curious for the Jaina fight, Bolster talent makes you block all melee attacks, Jainas Ice Shard isnt really a melee attack but it is physical damage and is blockable. So when you pop last stand with bolster do you block the shards? Sorry if this has already been answered

[undone sun]

yes, it's essentially just having sb up

bolster block works the same

[nocturne lion]

sweet thank you! trying to do a cheese full block build for Jaina progression.

[ionic fern]

How does that "cheese full block build" look like?

[merry cave]

Isn't that a legion for argus stack the shit out of mastery and the 2pce set from NH. Would we even get the secondary stats for that now?

[wise mirage]

got some tips to tank jaina?

[ionic fern]

Nothing out of the ordinary if you're just asking for general tips..keep SB up when actively tanking and don't take any unneccessary stacks.

[daring marlin]

@undone sun syringe crit gave more parry when it procced

[undone sun]

very odd

[sick sentinel]

@outer dew unless you are pulling the reaping with other mobs then leech in reaping is useless

And I don't believe that's just siphoning

[outer dew]

lol

that's also from

my other 5% in leech

and yes, i pull reaping into other mobs + boss

[sick sentinel]

I'd still rather keep that 5% but also quick nav

Since in those scenarios you are tanking for an extended period of time and you need the uptime for your defensives

And you want to refrain from last stand making you take more damage from reap soul

[lime mantle]

Hey I have an odd few questions which might or might not be related to this discord and channel but:

1. Of I was to stream/film my gameplay would anyone be up to violently verbally assault me for being bad criticize it
2. How exactly does one sign up for guilds on EU (this is sorta general but it’s hard to find guilds as tank and I have been out of the loop for years)

[empty patrol]

Instead of videos I'd rather go for logs. They offer better insight in most cases.
For guilds... I'm pretty out of the loop there, got sacked pretty fast when I came back in late WoD from a group I ran dungeons with^^

[wintry ermine]

@ionic fern quicker swaps did help! Our group being tards and dying to random stuff didn't change though.

[ionic fern]

Glad i could help and gz on the kill. 😃

[wintry ermine]

haha thanks, was such a sloppy kill, but still a kill!

[modest wedge]

sloppy kill is the best kill

[wintry ermine]

kind of our signature, our first champions M kill was a 1% execution ranking

and our first opulence was a 2% as well

[runic fractal]

I only got one socket on my gear, do i for a strength gem or haste gem?

[broken roost]

Haste

[sick sentinel]

Haste in all gems

[runic fractal]

okay

[astral crystal]

ravager for mythic mekka kek

[sick sentinel]

[astral crystal]

truth be told i never felt like i was getting my bussy hammered hard enough to consider anything other than what i was already running during that fight

[lime mantle]

I don’t see how ravages gives more defense than AM

[astral crystal]

rnjesus

[sick sentinel]

Unfortunately that's the least of ur concerns for that fight

[narrow abyss]

Happy chest day y’all

[primal crypt]

Stupid chest :c

[opal peak]

if i dont get a big shield

[primal crypt]

I dont remember the last time it actually gave me something useful

[opal peak]

ima 😡

i got 410 sword from my first one

nothing good since

[heavy chasm]

Feel better guys. I've gotten snake fang 3 weeks in a row

But I mean. I got one with a socket 🤢

[opal peak]

all i want/need is a real shield, 415 chest/shoulders and op trinket

my warrior isn't even that old and i've gotten so few chest upgrades

[heavy chasm]

Well atleast two of those 3 you can roll with residue.

[opal peak]

tru, tho i dont think i have enough with my chest

I need to start doing bigger keys on my warrior instead of my monk

my neck is also poo bc he isn't too new and i dont farm

if only risidiuum or the "gear tokens" was bind on account 😦

[heavy chasm]

Nah letz not

Can you imagine the flavor of the month bullshit

If that was the case

[opal peak]

I mean... i made a warrior bc m+ and it's damage monkaS

sorta lol but idk it's just worthless once u have the 415 pieces u want

[urban briar]

what are the 415 pieces i want do they all come from raid?

[old zephyr]

1st boss chest is pretty aamazing

then there is good shoulders almost everywhere

and engie googgles

[urban briar]

i dunno how to read the spredsheet i know we can do trait stacking as prot war but unsure how much

[old zephyr]

3* BoM for M+

1*DC

then whatev

prot traits are all good with CR beeing the less good of them

[urban briar]

damn i was stacking brace for impact with iron fortress

[heavy chasm]

Those are good raid ones

IF is good for plus as well but BoM is bae

[urban briar]

do use any brace for impact in the +?

[opal peak]

it's not bad for it

i think i've got one

[heavy chasm]

I mean use what you got their all pretty solid. Your ideal though is 3 boms and a DC

You'll notice stupid output with the boms

[urban briar]

whats ur favs as fillers?

[burnt hazel]

how much should a prot warr avoid crit on gear for raiding content ?

[signal plover]

U shouldn't, our stats are weighed fairly equally.

Generally speaking, while you should target haste wherever possible, it's not worth dropping ilvl

[opal peak]

my haste is too low 😦

it's a feelsbadman

[burnt hazel]

was thinking if a +5 ilvl with heavy crit is better than haste/master/vers stats on the lower item

[narrow abyss]

Yes

[signal plover]

Is it an armor piece or jewelry

[burnt hazel]

armor

[signal plover]

Then ilvl is king

[burnt hazel]

but not for trinket and ring

[signal plover]

Crit is not a bad defensive stat

Rings you could maaaaybe argue against (I would still take the crit)

[merry cave]

I'd drop 5 ilvl for big haste over crit if my overall haste wasn't great

[signal plover]

^

In the context of raids tho, crit is pretty good because of the parry chance.

[burnt hazel]

16% crit - 17% haste - 26% mastery - 5% vers... thats what i have to work with

[merry cave]

Think I'm at 28% haste lol

Feels good

[opal peak]

wtf

im at like 12

it sucks

[burnt hazel]

im just thinking that with more haste, the demo shout can have more uptime.. so lowering crit to around 10-12% and get more haste

[opal peak]

that wouldnt be bad, but wouldnt wanna drop ilvl for it

[summer wigeon]

happy i just got my first 10 last night on my warrior. Had him benched since launch since I always main prot pally, but glad I can finally bring up my number 2 Dark Iron boi

[opal peak]

alliance

ooph

[summer wigeon]

come on now, BFA and still whining about faction?

#currentExpansion

[sour plinth]

what is better second brace for impact or blood rite ?

[narrow abyss]

Grats

[old zephyr]

Prot traits a 99% of the time better than generic

and BFI is very string, especially in ST content

[sour plinth]

thanks

[daring marlin]

There is only one race in WoW.

And that's Dark Iron. 😃

A second is coming soon.

[opal peak]

yikes

[daring marlin]

yikes indeed, cuddles

[opal peak]

imagine not being gobbo

[daring marlin]

imagine being a green gnome

shudder

[summer wigeon]

I mean those exist too (Lepers)

[daring marlin]

I mean imagine willingly playing it

y u c k

[summer wigeon]

There are only two races in WoW, Dwarves and Dark Iron Dwarves

[primal crypt]

Imagine being alliance

:(

[sand egret]

Imagine being a pally

[exotic spoke]

Imagine being a dirty cheating horde

Though it is all about being a space goat

[signal plover]

Yo dark iron is srsly solid. O look at these necrotic stacks...

O look, a three stack of kimbuls bleed

Gimme gimme gimme

I rly wanna go fat human but I'm gonna miss the hell outta fireblood.

I think I'm gonna wait until we start extending for Mekka and on

[willow scarab]

2100 in time for reset

we in it boys

[lime mantle]

WAIT

[floral tinsel]

Gz

[lime mantle]

Fire blood removes necrotic?!

[summer wigeon]

no

[willow scarab]

removes necrotic and reaping debuff

shadowmeld removes necro too

[summer wigeon]

damn was unaware

[lime mantle]

😰

[summer wigeon]

rip me being a dark iron for months lol

[floral tinsel]

Btw guys.. any toughts on the 4 new items in the upcomeing raid for prot warriot?

[lime mantle]

I-I shouldn’t want to race change and yet...

[sand egret]

normal dorfs can as well

[willow scarab]

I like the belt

and the shadow bolt that costs health

[lime mantle]

Normal dwarf aren’t cool

[floral tinsel]

yeah, the belt seems decent

give us "stagger" 😛

[lime mantle]

DI are like that Manlet that lifted but is still insecure about himself

[primal crypt]

@sand egret the paladin is coming along nicely :)

[summer wigeon]

someone is just insecure of not being the master race born from fire

[primal crypt]

My guild is actually ok with gearing it lol

[exotic spoke]

New allied races racials seem op compared to earlier ones

[floral tinsel]

I think fat humans are meh

[exotic spoke]

Zandalaari, di, especially come to mind

[summer wigeon]

was really hoping they would give the option for skinny KTs as well. since its just the undead frame so animations wouldnt have to be new

[exotic spoke]

100% heal makes my space goat heal sad

[signal plover]

Isn't the zandalari one interrupted by damage and is a ramp up heal that starts small

[summer wigeon]

Thats what I thought. So could be great for tank swapping fights where you dont take any pulse damage, but in M+ cant see it worth a ton aside from kiting/heal

[exotic spoke]

Ramp up yes but I didn’t know it was cancelled by damage

[modern brook]

I mean lets be real

Ur rolling Zandalari for Paladin

Bubble Regen is broken

GGWP

[opal peak]

It’s worth noting:
These values are not final.
The aspect of this where it is not interrupted by damage is unintended.
We’re discussing it.

[summer wigeon]

I mean, I'm not cuz I play ally

so sticking with master race DI

[modern brook]

playing ally

not ne

green text

[opal peak]

i mean i would totally run for 4 seconds to heal to full when things go bad

[exotic spoke]

Ewwww NE

[summer wigeon]

NE great for M+ but then I couldnt respect myself for beign a NE

[opal peak]

i would 100% be ne if alliance

[modern brook]

If ur not running 5x NE ur gimping yourself for playing ally

[exotic spoke]

The cancelling by damage makes it compare better to gift of naaru

[primal crypt]

Zandalari paladins

[summer wigeon]

will gladly gimp myself to not hate starring at my character 100%

[primal crypt]

Im still wondering how broken the racial will be

[exotic spoke]

But my so w goat heal!

Space goat

[modern brook]

@primal crypt its a bigger deal in PvP IMO

PvE is still just play what looks cool

[fossil spindle]

Goat heal is love till you said dark id racial removes necrotic, bleeda and reaping debuff. Is that for real?

[modern brook]

Which is why you're an idiot for playing goblin but thats not here nor there :^)

[exotic spoke]

The issue is I’d have to play DI

[modern brook]

Dwarf animations make me want to die on warrior

[exotic spoke]

Goblins are pretty cool too though

[modern brook]

they're so gross

[exotic spoke]

More mobility and haste

[modern brook]

super happy about the faction swap in raid because it completely cured me of my desire to play Alliance

[exotic spoke]

I wish i could choose because I get a Tauren during swap

[opal peak]

i dont use rocket jump enough on my warrior

i just picked it for the haste

which is good bc my haste is already real low

[exotic spoke]

When I was horde for rbgs I was goblin and ran flags

Intervene, charge, rocket jump, leap, intervene and I’m across the map

[modern brook]

what kind of self respecting warrior uses intervene over charge

honestly

[summer wigeon]

I actually really like Dwarf animations @modern brook . Looks really good with the flail from challenge tower

[exotic spoke]

When I could throw a banner down ahead of me and intervene to it and then hopefully charge an enemy in mid field lol

Maybe it was still intervene then

[modern brook]

I was making a joke :^(

Sorry

Itw wasnt funny

[primal crypt]

Im not too worried about it then

If it's not game breaking for pve

[modern brook]

Not that it matters as of today; but did you see my strart for SotS last week?

Looking for actual m+er feed back on it

[exotic spoke]

Sorry bullfango I missed it - too early

[modern brook]

NPNP BRB

[primal crypt]

@modern brook ??

Was it for bursting?

[west kayak]

I think I hoodwinked in my cache... 410 Merektha's Fang?

[dense burrow]

So is it better to have a lot of versatility or mastery as a secondary stat? Or is it better to keep both relatively same level while keeping your haste high?

[wary gyro]

More stats>specific stats

[dusky fern]

Impassive visage or gemhide better defensively?

[summer wigeon]

i thoguht gemhide was the goat for all tanks

[wary gyro]

I know for pally visage has pulled ahead not sure if warriors it's the same

[old zephyr]

On a warrior that has almost no self heal I would say visage but Gem is very strong

[weary thorn]

I've been reading that gemhide is being outscaled by damage and items

so that IV is overtaking it

[wary gyro]

For pally it runs into diminishing returns with the amount of armor they have but I dont know how much that's a result of shield of the rightous

[weary thorn]

ah, this was from the monk discord, but I figured all these tanking discords were incestuous by now

most people run multiple

half the brm's seem to be prot this expac

[wary gyro]

I'm playing pally and warrior

[opal peak]

Man I’m just waiting for trellsky to stop betraying brewmasters and give up his warrior

[west kayak]

Just read up on the Fang and it is absolute sheit. Why is this on the tank loot table?

[autumn pendant]

Cause strenght

[summer wigeon]

because blizz hasnt had great tnk trinkets in forever

[autumn pendant]

And that

[summer wigeon]

the antorus one was pretty dec though

[autumn pendant]

LUL

[wary gyro]

The kin one?

[west kayak]

Opu's trinket is really nice, too bad the only one I get is the LFR version

[wary gyro]

I haven't gotten a single piece of loot from opp yet let alone the trinket

[weary thorn]

I get bobsandy's breath from opp, thats it. Its his entire loot table as far as I'm concerned

[opal peak]

So many bonus rolls with ap 😦

[inland mesa]

I've gotten 1 piece from mythic, traded to others since it came out and still no 415 shield :(

[wary gyro]

I've rolled opp at least once every week and seen no gear

[west kayak]

I kill Opu in LFR, Norm and use all of my rolls on him in Heroic and nothing... I dont run Mythic at this point in time.

[opal peak]

Worst part is my war is my alt so I don’t always get around to even trying to op

[wary gyro]

Opp is one of the fights my guild let's me go warrior for

Usually they want me on my pally

[modern brook]

@primal crypt yeah it was for bursting; specifically with a prot warrior

The idea was basically dungeons starts, everyone walks out and warrior grabs the whole front oom and AoE's them down; dies to bursting, then you grab the templar w/ the 2 mages and ppl come back in to kill them; then they leave and you suicide the droplets

[opal peak]

Lol

Yikes

[modern brook]

The idea being that the 10s you lose to death timers is saved in not slowing DPS / not having 50s lost to death timers

Also it saves healer CDs for REaP + the large burst near boss

[last cloud]

i would just let them stay out for the rest of the dungeon, "fuck it, its my time"

[narrow abyss]

I actually told my team your idea

They ofc loved it 😑

[modern brook]

I have 140g left on my warrior

so i literally cant do it

[primal crypt]

@modern brook we just skipped them all

Instead of wasting cds on them

[vagrant finch]

Greetings, am i correct that using Last Stand with the talent Bolster and an active shieldblock has no effect in terms of blocking? It doesnt stack or make all blocks critical or something like that?

[modern brook]

My problem with skipping them is 1) its like a free 5%

and 2) my dps is reatrded

[primal crypt]

The only scary part is the first room

[modern brook]

@vagrant finch yeah; dont stack SB and bolster'd LS

USe LS to regen SB charges

[primal crypt]

Which we burst down

[vagrant finch]

@modern brook thanks

[narrow abyss]

My group are all pump lords who can’t stop dps on p1 dps so

[primal crypt]

Sapped the templar and I grabbed them all to the door

[narrow abyss]

P1 opulence

Bursting was rough

[primal crypt]

I ran out the rogs popped cloak and burned them

No one died lol

[modern brook]

yeah

You can def stand 1 big burst every few mins

SotS sucks shit cause its like 5 big bursts in a row

Or you're skipping EZ% for hard%

though i guess it wasnt fort so 🤷

[primal crypt]

We replaced the % with the one pack

[modern brook]

The bridge one?

[primal crypt]

Inside the runecarvers room

[narrow abyss]

To the side?

[modern brook]

Oh gross

did you pull rune carver too?

[primal crypt]

No no

Skipped

[narrow abyss]

Do you pull the current?

[modern brook]

just throw weapon -> los -> murder -> shroud?

[ocean acorn]

ay i just got desert guards breast plate

[narrow abyss]

I heard the rogue skip was complicated for that

[modern brook]

I cant get it to wrok

[primal crypt]

But we pulled the pack inside, the 3 pack in the hall

[modern brook]

But im also a 🐒 :brain:

[primal crypt]

All outside with the 2 guards at the door

And aoe it all down

Peekaboo at the door

Zero dmg

[ocean acorn]

i did that too yam

works really welll

[primal crypt]

Yup, just speed pot in and leap out

Or you risk getting murked

[ocean acorn]

blood sifon or carpice

[primal crypt]

And dont pull too far out or you pull heldris

[ocean acorn]

carapace

[modern brook]

Crystal carapace imo

[primal crypt]

Carapace has very high uptime

Im very fond of it

[modern brook]

Its basically 2nd IF

🤷

[primal crypt]

Purely defensive though

[ocean acorn]

ta u just rolled 415

and got bis lul

[modern brook]

I'm rolling my 3rd 415 in a row this week on my rogue

feels good

maybe this one wont be shit

:^(

Blood siphon is mast/leech righT?

Lifespeed is HAste/dodge?

I always confuse them

[primal crypt]

Yup

Blood siphon isnt bad

Especially if you can stack 3

[wary gyro]

Life speed is haste avoidance not haste dodge

[primal crypt]

It's all the rage the leech build

People think theyre bdks

[stone cloud]

Don’t forget siphoning

[primal crypt]

Gross

[stone cloud]

And to spec

Lul

[modern brook]

ravager is basically DRW

its just under a 2nd Clap outside of avatar

[sick sentinel]

Oh shit this week's teeming quake

[stone cloud]

Yeah

All the big dick pulls

[sick sentinel]

Time to go ravager build

[stone cloud]

Lmao

I was actually thinking

Could it work

[grizzled fog]

how good is the set bonus from the cape and ring in BoD

[opal peak]

I played my monk for the most part this week, told my healer I’m all warrior this week 😌

[grizzled fog]

would i want to break the set bonus for 5-10 ilvl?

[wary gyro]

150 str is very big

[sick sentinel]

Good enough that it works only in the raid and outside world

[grizzled fog]

i currently have a 400 cape and a 405 socketed ring

[sick sentinel]

So u know, extremely limited based on where u use it

If u only care about the set bonus

[grizzled fog]

so it wouldnt work in m+?

[sick sentinel]

Nope

[grizzled fog]

i see

[primal crypt]

Ravager would not replace anget management utility

[wary gyro]

Only outdoors in zuldazar and in the raid

[primal crypt]

To have everything back from spamming ip quicker

[grizzled fog]

does it work in atal tho?

[sick sentinel]

Nope

[primal crypt]

Outweighs ravager too much lol

[grizzled fog]

i see thanks

[wary gyro]

It worked in atal the first week but they patched it out

[sick sentinel]

It worked but then fun was detected

[potent anvil]

i achieved triple bom, dc, and earthlink traits on my azerite. i'll play the big meme now

[grizzled fog]

so im guessing save it for when i am in raid then switch off to ilvl on m+ and stuff

[sick sentinel]

Nice @potent anvil, now 4 DPS a +15

[primal crypt]

Triple bom triple dc meme

Lets gooo

[sick sentinel]

And @grizzled fog if the other cloak has better stats then the raid cloak yeah switch

[oblique garnet]

FeelsBadMan triple dc triple bom wasnt even that big of an dps increase

[primal crypt]

It wasnt :(

[sick sentinel]

Shut up u lier

Don't lie to the children

[oblique garnet]

Not even lying

[primal crypt]

Triple bom is still top tier, but the dc wasnt worth

Would rather run IF

[wary gyro]

Why tripple EarthLink though

[sick sentinel]

Why not

I honestly rather run bom3 If3

Fuck dc

Or I can go super ghetto and go all 6 traits

[primal crypt]

nah

Dc is still the play

[oblique garnet]

Triple dc was unfortunately lackluster

[potent anvil]

i ran triple dc + 2 bom in an ML+18 last night and did 31k overall lol. its pretty fun

[primal crypt]

Smashing butts

[oblique garnet]

In Ml you do alot of big pulls so the dps numbers are bit inflated

[sick sentinel]

I was gonna tell u, what big pulls

[primal crypt]

Huge/chain pull

[oblique garnet]

^

[potent anvil]

pretty much every pull

[modern brook]

Still a big fan of 3bom dc 2bfi for m+

but everyone else says nah nerd IF

[sick sentinel]

Then I forgot that we learned how to block

[primal crypt]

Ehhhh, bfi

[modern brook]

BFI is the true path yam

[sick sentinel]

Bfi loses too much to IF

[primal crypt]

In m+ yeah

[sick sentinel]

I can't spam anymore so the fuck is the point

[potent anvil]

even on waycrest i did 27k overall on a 20 lol. its just aoe padding

[primal crypt]

[sick sentinel]

I did a +10 last night with an outlaw(I finally found one) and during reaping wave with just 2bom 1 DC did 90k

[modern brook]

Did ur outlaw complain about tc?

[sick sentinel]

What do u think lol

[modern brook]

I literally had one go you shoulda told me u were avataring so i didnt use BF ?? bitch why do you think im a warrior

[primal crypt]

+10 you can pull half the dungeons kek

[sick sentinel]

I haven't touched my warrior for two weeks so I got rusty

And I needed my +10 for the week

[modern brook]

I've learned im just a bad tank

[wary gyro]

He should have assumed you were avataring the idiot

[modern brook]

🤷 been pushing keys on my rogue with @lusty grotto

[primal crypt]

Oh boi

Team Nimchip

[modern brook]

team nimchip is the squad tbh

[sick sentinel]

I've been gearing my feral since we are trailing some tanks for the guild

Cause I like being the MT but I have to talk

And im like yikes

[modern brook]

I'm passingmy tank spot to some guildies that wanted to

which wouldnt be an issue if it didnt basically reset progression for us

we're so fucking far behind now lol

[opal peak]

Rip

[sick sentinel]

We are still 1/9 atm

[modern brook]

same but no aotc yet

[primal crypt]

We just made it to a few pulls on mekka last week, slowly crawling

[wary gyro]

At least you aren't the only one in your guild who mains tank like I am

[sick sentinel]

We almost killed monkey boy last week but then the night came

[modern brook]

the real problem is half my guild is fotm rolling prot

[primal crypt]

...

[opal peak]

Lmao

[primal crypt]

Lol

[modern brook]

and they're like learning

OH hey u actually have to play the class

[opal peak]

Half mine is rolling lock

[sick sentinel]

That's actually the worst

[opal peak]

Just in time for nerf

[primal crypt]

Tanking from the floor

[wary gyro]

Half mine quit the game

[sick sentinel]

It's why I have a huge problem with new prot warriors

[modern brook]

:oof: 2real puppies

[sick sentinel]

Cause a majority aren't players who want to play but fotm

[modern brook]

I dont mind fotm rerollers

What triggers me is the hey guys returning prot, glad my favorite tank from vanilla is vaible again

[sick sentinel]

I do, because now they make us look bad when they can't taunt

[wary gyro]

We only just got to heroic jaina last week because we've had to pug half our group each week

[primal crypt]

Jaina :(

That's a rough fight

[sick sentinel]

We are able to get to blockade before the end but breaks and few afks

On one day which is good

[primal crypt]

Even on heroic people getting frozen for no reason

[sick sentinel]

The biggest problem with blockade is of course DPS control

Otherwise, it's a cake walk

[wary gyro]

The best part is our prog gets basically reset every week because we have to pug a second tank and half our healers

[modern brook]

`did u really think i was....RuNInG??

[sick sentinel]

Damm

[modern brook]

yikes you need to do some recruiting then

theres a trillion bad tanks lfg rn

a consistent bad tank is better than a random bad tank each week

[sick sentinel]

Yeah my officers are recruiting like crazy atm for trails

[exotic spoke]

Never stop recruiting

[modern brook]

My guild is basically an entirely different group of people to when i joined

[sick sentinel]

So far we've gotten 1 good person

[modern brook]

because everyone quit mostly

[sick sentinel]

We just need more trailing for the rest

[exotic spoke]

People quit, get bored, transfer, RL pops up, etc. ALWAYS recruit

[primal crypt]

"Asmongold streaming gardening, method josh got a girlfriend. BFA must be really bad."

[sick sentinel]

I do wonder if I'm tanking today's heroic or dpsing

[primal crypt]

Lol

[opal peak]

Lmao

[dusk locust]

then on the flip side, some of my raiders complain that i'm recruiting and we have these new people in the raid who don't know the fights

[sick sentinel]

That's why it's called trials

[wary gyro]

My guild has been trying to recruit but we haven't had a single tank apply

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone there not do m+

[dusk locust]

most trials i get aren't perfect at first but learn over time

[sick sentinel]

I was picked up by this guild because they found me during a guild m+

[exotic spoke]

I’m in a 2 day a week mythic guild. We try to keep a roster of about 28 mythic ready players - 3 tanks, 6 healers, 19 dps. We expect a person to miss occasionally, we then take our twenty in for the night, set up a M+ group for the others, and rotate daily

[sick sentinel]

And this was before we got fixed

[wary gyro]

We do m+ but typically not pugging

[exotic spoke]

Off night heroic to trial recruits before mythic, etc

[sick sentinel]

Oof

[opal peak]

I feel like half my guilds trials come from people my GM pugs into m+ lol

[modern brook]

I def steal ppl from M+ all the time

[exotic spoke]

Totally

[wary gyro]

That's what makes it most infuriating is half our group have geared tank alts but refuse to use them to tank in raid

[sick sentinel]

I think my reason I got in was because of my score and tank rank on my server

During s1

Speaking of I need to go reclaim my title of number 1 warrior again

[narrow abyss]

Does rezan drop off lootspec prot In chest?

[wary gyro]

I was dps in s1 then we had 4 separate tanks quit playing and I was the only one willing to reroll

[sick sentinel]

I dpsed a bit during s1 but I legit didn't feel challenged

[opal peak]

Whenever we have something happen with a tank, whether single missed raid or w.e, no1 takes me seriously when I offer to tank 😩

[modern brook]

xd

[opal peak]

Bc I heal main for raid

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[primal crypt]

@narrow abyss and dps

[narrow abyss]

K. Debating what I want to lootspec since I got shield last week

[exotic spoke]

If our mythic roster gets down to 23 or so I (and the other officers) start to get worried.

[sick sentinel]

Prot

[exotic spoke]

That’s dangerous area

[sick sentinel]

Ur gonna get a 2h if u spec dpa

Watch

[primal crypt]

People dont want to bench

They start whining

[opal peak]

Tru

[modern brook]

IDT atal has a 2hr

[primal crypt]

Then they quit and ghost you

[narrow abyss]

Yeah that’ll be depressing. Still have 400 main hand so wanted to stay prot

[exotic spoke]

My guild is good yamorino. The officers show that everyone rotates. We post it up early too

[modern brook]

Then again im always in prot cause that dungeon has a dope sheild and 1hr

[narrow abyss]

But was curious about rezan trinket

[exotic spoke]

So if you’re sitting you know

[opal peak]

It’s dumb we (healers) are told to roll to see who sits on a boss

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't, won't stop rnjesus from giving u one

[opal peak]

And we roll b4 the boss

[primal crypt]

I never get to sit :(

[narrow abyss]

Same

[exotic spoke]

Fuck that cuddles

[modern brook]

we're just starting to have >20 man raids

[primal crypt]

I have to give them battle shout or something

[modern brook]

which is awesome cause we can start benching underperformers in M prog

but is irrelveant because we cant even do H

:^)

[primal crypt]

Lul

[sick sentinel]

Damn

[exotic spoke]

Trim the underperformers

[opal peak]

Yup @exotic spoke

[primal crypt]

Or step up your thunderclaps

[modern brook]

Nah sometimes we just play like we've never seen the fights

[opal peak]

It’s ruff

[modern brook]

Other times its just super fucking clean 1 shots

[sick sentinel]

Kill the underperformers

[primal crypt]

Make up for their dps

[wary gyro]

I should probably start looking for a different guild if I really want to progress but I dont want to just abandon my current one

[modern brook]

very few inbetweens

[weary thorn]

my guild "trimmed the underperformaers" we had 2 tanks, 4 healers, and 1 dps left at the end. So we pugged dps and made prog 3 fights on HC

[exotic spoke]

Then you have other issues major

[modern brook]

lol

[opal peak]

Problem is non of our healers are bad

[primal crypt]

1 dps left lmaoooo

Good lord

[exotic spoke]

Then they have to be trimmed to make the comp viable

[modern brook]

Thats about right though

lets be real

[weary thorn]

I mean, I'm one of the tanks. I cant fill 8 dps slots as well lol

[exotic spoke]

Sorry, it’s how it is

[modern brook]

DPS are big idiots

[wary gyro]

God how bad were your dps

[weary thorn]

they didnt do mechanics on jadefire at all

[primal crypt]

Yeah, dps attracts the mongos

[weary thorn]

no soaking traps, no killing bombs

[primal crypt]

Who want to tunnel

[narrow abyss]

And prot warrior

Apparently

[primal crypt]

My favorite is still the raid leaders shitting on bad players

[opal peak]

I think we recently got new trials but idk how likely we are to sit underperforming raiders for new trials so late in the tier 😅

[primal crypt]

Absolutely tearing them a new one during raid

[exotic spoke]

You don’t do that publicly lol

[modern brook]

u ever miss a kick cause u were super in on pressing TC every other global

[sick sentinel]

God playing my feral these last few weeks has been a trip seeing tanks, esp prot

Not shortage of prots stacking sb and bolster

[primal crypt]

I do that all the time

:(

[sick sentinel]

[primal crypt]

It's gotten better

But damn, I forget bolster is running and burn a SB

[wary gyro]

We have one healer I kinda wish we would cut because the way he acts but hes a good healer and we cant really afford to cut anyone pulling their weight

[primal crypt]

Tell myself it was for the stronger shield slam

[ebon hound]

I stack bolster so my Arms bro can execute for minutes 🤔

[primal crypt]

...

[ebon hound]

Gotta help the handicapped

[modern brook]

lol yam

[sick sentinel]

I mean it's fine, u can burn ur sb so long as u havs big balls

[opal peak]

Oh I stack all the time but I blame being used to brew

[modern brook]

I do that exact thing

[opal peak]

Where I just stack up Ian

Isb

[sick sentinel]

Or havd shield wall

[opal peak]

Then the second I hit block I rage at myself

[primal crypt]

I hate it

Not playing optimal

And getting mauled by huge melee after bolster is gone

Sure wish I had that SB

[sick sentinel]

Big balls it

[opal peak]

Oh I’d get soooo mad when I started warrior

[sick sentinel]

I've purposely taken hits without it/sb

[opal peak]

Being used to brew and keeping isb up while asleep

[sick sentinel]

To see how much I can take

[opal peak]

And then having to manage block and bolster

[primal crypt]

I mean at this point

[sick sentinel]

So far I've went from 2 to 5 clean hits

Without anything

[primal crypt]

Im getting hit for half my hp

On some of these bigger pulls

[sick sentinel]

Bitch shiedwall

And demo shout

[opal peak]

I run with a shaman too so my “external” is mostly slt

[modern brook]

U ever watch a fotmProt Pop last stand then turn their back?

[primal crypt]

Yikes

[opal peak]

Or earth Ele

[primal crypt]

@modern brook yikesss

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit @modern brook

[modern brook]

I've seen some shit guys

tanks are bad players

[primal crypt]

That's next level :)

[modern brook]

I've had a protadin BoP himself to protect from Blade Combo

[sick sentinel]

[modern brook]

I've watched a DK sit at max RP and 1/3 health

I've seen a bear tank in the year 2019

[primal crypt]

Was his name lipkiss

:)

[modern brook]

lol no

[sick sentinel]

Let's be real it isn't a VDH

So seeing a bear is Norm

[modern brook]

I did a siege*** with a VDH

i pulled off every boss

I died to the tentcles on the last boss

and the healer was like "dead dps = no dps"

thanks

[sick sentinel]

Did he do no damage?

[modern brook]

~5k?

way less than he should've

maybe just under 6k

[sick sentinel]

What the actual fuck

[weary thorn]

you can auto attack and pull 3-4k lol

[opal peak]

I’m ready to see all the vdh in mdi 😏

[modern brook]

VDH isnt even fun; let alone good

[sick sentinel]

All right bois

It's weekly chest pics time

[modern brook]

hellll yeah what u get nerd

[sick sentinel]

I trashed it

[opal peak]

I got about 30 min b4 I get to open mine

[modern brook]

OOF

[cinder pasture]

FeelsEUman

[exotic spoke]

Good luck @sick sentinel I’m hoping for not another trinket. A month straight would make me sad

[modern brook]

I have like 7 hourslol

[opal peak]

Always a highlight of my week to open my chest of disappointment

[sick sentinel]

I got a boot

[exotic spoke]

I can’t open mine for about 8 more hours because of work

Id take boots. Shield or weapon preference though

[modern brook]

My drops so far have been 2 of the same 410 rings in a row, and 4 belts, not the same but always a haste/crit split

[opal peak]

I will sell myself for a shield

[sick sentinel]

Of the same ones I'm using

That I got two weeks ago

Again

[exotic spoke]

I swear - something is off for the seeding of the RNG

[modern brook]

I bet its literally just off system time

[exotic spoke]

The amount of people getting the same items / item slots is huge

[modern brook]

Thats my tinfoil hat

its just so fucking basic

it just uses server time

[exotic spoke]

Worst rng seed ever is system time

[modern brook]

so if u open at around the same time every wek u'll get the same stuff

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[opal peak]

Oh then I should wait an hour

[exotic spoke]

The amount of trinkets I get is stupid

[opal peak]

4Head

[exotic spoke]

Kill rastakan... get trinket. Blow a refill for the ring or whatever/... get trinket again

[wary gyro]

I wish I could get trinkets

[exotic spoke]

I have 415 socketed howler, 410 vial, 400 socketed eye, gore, diamond, 410 knot, something else...

That’s not counting the 5 I’ve Sharded this past week.

I can’t get gear upgrades - just more trinkets

[modern brook]

I'd be willing to collect data if yall will submit it each week

find out if theres any correlation between time looted and drop given

[little ravine]

I have 3 days played at 120 and the only trinket that I have seen that isnt from a world quest is a 370 Rezen's eye. WTB any trinkets

[exotic spoke]

Wish I could sell them

[modern brook]

have u tried being better?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. That takes work though

[wary gyro]

I still have a 390 trinket

[modern brook]

🤷 have u tried getting a 425 titan forge from the darkshore warfront

thats how im slowly gearing my DH

[exotic spoke]

I have and to no avail 😦

[modern brook]

got a 425 and a 415 the last 2 times it was up

EZPZ

[wary gyro]

Give me your trinket luck

[exotic spoke]

It’s unlucky ieatpuppies

[dense flame]

Btw Reston sham is gross

A good resto Shan

[exotic spoke]

I’m getting trinkets that I can’t use over gear pieces I need

[modern brook]

resto hate is so misplaced

rsham is my 3rd favorite healer

[dense flame]

I meant like, they are so fucking strong

[modern brook]

behind Rdruid and Hpal

[exotic spoke]

No MW?

For more dps

[modern brook]

MW's are 4 but only cause every mw just fucking cacoons on cd

[dense flame]

Clutch earth ele, high dps, good healing

[modern brook]

oh god you're being auto attacked by two things heres a cacoon

[oblique garnet]

I keep telling people rshaman is good

[dense flame]

Earth ele is awesome. Imagine having earth ele and trees

Boomkin snd earth ele

Major oh shit button

[wary gyro]

I love rshaman

[oblique garnet]

”Everyone hates him because he told them the truth”

[modern brook]

One of the last keys i did on my warrior was with EleSham, Rsham, boom*, dH

I didnt really have to tank

[dense flame]

Yeah it’s actually insane

Pull huge af

Drop trees and earth ele

[modern brook]

what i likea bout r sham is that their utility is super fucking unique too

[dense flame]

I need opulence trinket. Has eluded me for a few weeks.

[modern brook]

Same :^(

[dense flame]

Currently using mekka/block/anchor

[exotic spoke]

Thinking of running vial / howler this week during m+

[vestal moat]

Jaina's Ice Shard...when it "deflect" does that mean I parried it? or dodged? trying to decide if any of those stats are valuable on this fight.

[feral sparrow]

Hey i have a question ja There any haste cap got 1500 haste on my prot

[opal peak]

Only thing I don’t like is a reliable external

But everything else about rsham is Pog

[wary gyro]

There is no haste cap

[exotic spoke]

But, don’t overvalue haste

[wary gyro]

More stats>specific stats

[feral sparrow]

Okay thank you

[ember arrow]

prot viable yet?

[summer wigeon]

is that a serious question?

[ember arrow]

very

[summer wigeon]

extremely viable. Hell a ton of teams are taking warriors into the MDI

[west kayak]

Lev... really?:)

[summer wigeon]

Didnt method also run a prot for world first Jaina?

[ember arrow]

idk, i ahvent logged in since octover

[neon tangle]

Nope, prot is garbage, buff plz

[ember arrow]

why do you still have santa hat

[summer wigeon]

why dont you

[neon tangle]

I’m festive af

[summer wigeon]

real questions

[ember arrow]

no christmas in north korea

[sand egret]

god dammit who said the phrase

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow the world realized that doing as much damage as a dps is good for m+

[ember arrow]

what about bfa

did they fulfill promises promised at release yet?

like troles playable

[narrow abyss]

Nope not yet

[neon tangle]

Well in a week or two zandalari is released

[narrow abyss]

Lol

[neon tangle]

Islands are a little better

[exotic spoke]

Like two weeks they are

[ember arrow]

pay 8 months sub to get things promised at release

sounds like blizzard

[exotic spoke]

Prot feels smoother imo.

[ember arrow]

my question is

is it better than legion?

[chilly brook]

No

[exotic spoke]

I mean... they never said when they’d be available

[chilly brook]

Hell no

[neon tangle]

They’re giving up on the Azerite Armor thing and turning the neck in to a talent tree next tier

[sand egret]

Riki, tread carefully with this one

[ember arrow]

really?

[chilly brook]

Not in a million years is it better than legion right now

[ember arrow]

azurite is gone?

[neon tangle]

You still got the items

They are just always unlocked

[ember arrow]

someone released the straps on the blizzard dev helmets for once

[neon tangle]

And the progression / grinding will go to a new tree

[ember arrow]

i see

[sand egret]

it's the same thing as Legion

[ember arrow]

i.e.

good

[shadow spruce]

would you guys rather take filthy transfusion or iron fortress?

[sand egret]

IF

[ember arrow]

are traits actuallynoticeable, without having meters?

[shadow spruce]

kk ty

[sand egret]

if you have eyeballs

[wary gyro]

Basically the system is becoming what everyone wanted in the first place

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow depends on the spec

[exotic spoke]

I am, I said I think it feels smoother for prot than the start of bfa

[tepid dagger]

3 DC 3 BoM all day every day boyz

[sand egret]

i like prot now more than i liked it in legion

[neon tangle]

Like BoM feels real good for prot

[sand egret]

tbh

[exotic spoke]

Not comparing prot now to prot in legion. Just prot now versus prot beginning of bfa

[sand egret]

legion was mindnumbing

[tepid dagger]

only change was IP off gcd really, that and we scaled really well with gear

[modern brook]

Avatar +SB feels like 2nd bolster'd last stand, with bom

[ember arrow]

thanks for the responses

[chilly brook]

Legion prot almost gave me carpal tunnel

[exotic spoke]

I don’t think ip off gcd was a magical fix that made us all better. But I think it helped

[chilly brook]

There was no magical fix

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow don’t worry, soon the new xpac will be a thing, and people will play it and explain how great BfA was

[exotic spoke]

I know griff.

[neon tangle]

This is the cycle of WoW expansions

[ember arrow]

oof @neon tangle

[tepid dagger]

I rarely even use IP, less revenges 😛

[chilly brook]

Community perception just changed because of a 5% EHP boost

[modern brook]

The secret

Is that we were always this good

:shhh

[ember arrow]

i dont think standards can get lower

[sand egret]

BoM helped immensely

[ember arrow]

theyre already wheelchair accessible

[sand egret]

imho

[modern brook]

The only thing that changed

[neon tangle]

People complained about wrath and said it was worse then BC, people said MoP was worse than wrath, and the cycle goes on

[wary gyro]

You clearly didn't play wod

[modern brook]

is that dungeons became significantly more aoe centric

[sand egret]

it made our strong point REALLY strong

[ember arrow]

@wary gyro me?

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow it has nothing to do with how good an expansion is

[chilly brook]

BoM had a hand in m+ but not really in raid imo

[neon tangle]

People just love to hate on it

[sand egret]

the point is perception

[exotic spoke]

I agree griff

[chilly brook]

Granted BoM is still extremely strong in raid

[sand egret]

which was bolsterd via M+

[ember arrow]

whats bom

[tepid dagger]

I probably SHOULD respec for raids, BoM still good

[sand egret]

so geared warriors could step into BoD

[chilly brook]

Defensively speaking

@ember arrow an azerite trait

[sand egret]

BoM gives a shitload of Mastery

[chilly brook]

Makes us clap even harder

[sand egret]

when you hit Avatar

[modern brook]

8.1 broughta new season whos niche we fill very well; and a raid filled with blockable and reflectable mechanics

thats why we're good

[ember arrow]

like in TOS

[sand egret]

yeah Reaping also helped us

[wary gyro]

Reaping is the main thing that pushed us to the top in m+

[modern brook]

REaping + Bonestorm nerf*

if DK had old bonestorm they'd still be top dog

[cyan kiln]

what is better 2nd ablative shielding or overwhelming power for 15+ keys?

[sand egret]

i dunno

[dusty pasture]

I've seen nerf running siphoning enchant is it better for survivability if u gear for dmg? when should I be thinking about using it?

[sand egret]

it's the damage that makes it

reaping or not

[neon tangle]

@modern brook don’t really agree with that

[tepid dagger]

I'd go overwhelming power

[modern brook]

@cyan kiln OP; @dusty pasture quick enchant

[neon tangle]

Super high keys you don’t get to bonestorm that much more than 5 mobs anyways

[modern brook]

@neon tangle its def a hot take so

[chilly brook]

If you’re looking at nerf for gearing choices I uhhhhh well

[neon tangle]

And you aren’t going to die to reaping anyways

[supple path]

Hrm, thoughts on second DC vs swirling sands? Also, boo, another 415 azerite item, another with no BoM.

[tepid dagger]

DC

[cyan kiln]

thanks for answers

[modern brook]

2nd dc

[sand egret]

second DC gives pure damage

so just weigh that

[supple path]

4 of the 6 shoulders on vendor had BoM too. ugh.

[chilly brook]

Lemme just say if you’re literally looking to just cheese damage you might want to follow that

[sand egret]

yeah, that stinks

[chilly brook]

Other than that haste is still going to be way more valuable

[fresh dragon]

Hi, Blockade Mythic. Pools can be solo tanked by war prot right? can they be spell reflected?

[chilly brook]

Is it magical damage?

[modern brook]

@supple path can u move your first stack of DC to a different prot trait?

[obtuse shoal]

What happened with BoM that made it not desireable or am I missing something?

[chilly brook]

Wut

Who said it wasn’t desirable?

[modern brook]

That slut cindy

😠

[supple path]

@modern brook No, and the generic it competes with is dagger in the back, hah

[exotic spoke]

Them... you know... they’re bastards

[modern brook]

get oof'd on kiddo; sorry to hear that

[supple path]

Yeah not been great luck on the randoms.

[naive panther]

Benefits to warrior on blockade prog? Can we reflect the soaks?

[supple path]

Well, helm is BoM/DC so that's not bad, but bp is brace/blightborne (over callous)

[fresh dragon]

Hi, Blockade Mythic. Pools can be solo tanked by war prot right? can they be spell reflected?

[chilly brook]

Last I checked aoe spells don’t get reflected

[exotic spoke]

Guide has everything that can be blocked and or reflected

[chilly brook]

But you can dampen the damage with SR

[obtuse shoal]

@chilly brook You said it was still good in raid. I thought something changed

[neon tangle]

@fresh dragon it will still do the DR regardless

[modern brook]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#

[naive panther]

Enough to soak with an ip and ds?

[modern brook]

isnt the soak a meteor?

[sand egret]

@obtuse shoal who said this heresy?

[chilly brook]

Nothing changed

[naive panther]

Maybe ds has no@effect? Environmental?

[modern brook]

Demo shout only DRs if the source is the boss

IDK about blockades damage; havent gotten their myself

[neon tangle]

^^^ it’s a Debuff on mobs