protection

[lucid bough]

you just need to watch some streams

[willow scarab]

I came back at the end of December and learned everything through practice, watching streamers and listening to players in group

download dungeon weakauras if you like that kind of thing

[lucid bough]

and play lol

[silver tangle]

ok thanks

[sick sentinel]

If you wanna see routes and mob handling

[silver tangle]

which streamer would you say should i watch?

[sick sentinel]

Streams and experiece

[willow scarab]

glickz and sense

I like Glickz content more but Sense is easier to access and covers raid

[silver tangle]

do they also have youtube content

[oblique garnet]

yes

[willow scarab]

Sense does

[silver tangle]

nice

[lucid bough]

Lepan, naowh are streaming lately prot warrior too

[sick sentinel]

The first step though

[willow scarab]

Lepan's another good one

[sick sentinel]

It is find a thunerclap button

[willow scarab]

It's hard finding people who stream in my timezone

[sick sentinel]

Make sure to spam the shit out of it

[willow scarab]

Anyone else have more than 1 thunderclap bound?

just me?

[lucid bough]

lol

i have 2

one was my last TC bind

when we didnt spam it

[sick sentinel]

I could bind my whole keyboard to it

[willow scarab]

When I logged in this xpac and saw half my abilities gone I just doubled my binds

[sick sentinel]

So I can roll my face on it

[willow scarab]

2 devastates, thunderclaps, revenges and shield slams

2 of almost everything

[oblique garnet]

how do you double your binds?

[willow scarab]

i don't, it's on 4 and on 5

[oblique garnet]

theres so many buttons to press

[willow scarab]

there you go

[sick sentinel]

All my defensives save for SR and IP are on my mouse

[willow scarab]

old screenshot i just clicked anything on my screen

[astral crystal]

whoa, i never noticed the last stand icon had a dude missing his arm

crazy

[oblique garnet]

hold up

[lucid bough]

Isnt a guy raising his fist?

[sick sentinel]

No

It's a guy whose arm is cut off

[astral crystal]

stone cold steve austin missing an arm

[willow scarab]

Looks like a guy getting consumed by an explosion

or sinking into lava

[indigo panther]

At least in Prot, i can say there is little to no difference between the Crit of Shadow dmg Racial for the zandalari

if anyone was wondering

[daring marlin]

look at dem dudes

rolling siphoning

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Bunch of memers

[floral tinsel]

LOL, Drjayfisto doing 24 Kings rest.... strategy is to start the dungeon by dieing 250 times to get the bwomsamdi buff asap 😛

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[willow scarab]

Isn't that instant die bwonsamdi a viable strat to get a 23 that isn't the same dungeon?

[dense flame]

During KR do you have one of your dps taunt before debilitating backhand casts or during it. Never done it before.

[astral crystal]

after if you need the time

[old zephyr]

just leap and run

[dense flame]

Was thinking for better up time. Don’t have to run around etc.

[glad nimbus]

Tis but a flesh wound

[daring marlin]

just parry it

ez

I've actually had runs where I parried 2/3 in a row. It was fucking hilarious.

Unstable flames op

[lime mantle]

How good is bonded souls?
Icy veins doesn't say sadly

[floral tinsel]

@dense flame The resto druid I run with does that. He taunts after the backhand cast.. runs away a little, then I taunt back and kita until the debuff expires and I charge back in

[dense flame]

Okay. Cool 😎 ty

[floral tinsel]

If you run the Safeguard talent (quite good on kings rest) you wont have leap up every time, so it helps out

[strong forum]

@lime mantle its insanely strong, but will be nerfed by 40% soon

[lime mantle]

Good, took it instead of x2 crashes

(or x1 vengeance talent)

[glad nimbus]

Any good mythic plus pull by pull guides out there?

[sick sentinel]

depends on comp

and affixes

watch streams

deplete keys

you will learn

[analog swift]

Wut there’s like a million dungeons

Just try one

Pull a back

Pack*

Was it easy?

Kkk pull two next time gg

If you don’t wipe and you didn’t time a key that’s your fault for not pulling enough

[lucid bough]

or you have trash dps

[stone cloud]

Just block after the backhand he does like nothing lol

[lucid bough]

oh he still does a fuck ton of damage

60-70% hp?

when blocked?

if blocks, idk if that ability even blocks tbh. Ik i have block or LS up when it happens

but never tested without uptime

[potent anvil]

Just pull smart tbh. Know what the trash mechanics are so you have an understanding what you can double pull or chain pull. Have an interrupt order followed by stun/cc rotations on packs with more than 3 casters, etc. @glad nimbus

[analog swift]

@lucid bough yeah but if you pull bigger dps goes up

[oblique garnet]

@stone cloud if you parry the backhand it doesnt give you the debuff if you have the debuff hes gonna clap you through the block

[willow scarab]

Do you guys ever get hit by the backhand at max range?

like 30 yards away

[stone cloud]

He don’t clap thru block is the thing

Up until an 18 you can still safely face tank him after with SB up

[narrow abyss]

And you had the debuff?

[stone cloud]

Yes

[narrow abyss]

Hrm

I mean I honestly wouldn’t know. I’ve never tried tanking it

Maybe I’ll do it once for science 😂

[stone cloud]

If still worried just have demo up

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough

I actually enjoyed playing last night

[lusty grotto]

Kr Hella ez this week

[chilly brook]

Who knew

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

I didnt

Nice Griff nice

We had a partial teamchip run last night

Was good

Obviously no @oblique garnet @primal crypt or @sand egret

So very partial

[sand egret]

strange, musta got my invite lost in the mail./

[chilly brook]

I gotta actually do a few m+ tonight

[lusty grotto]

I saw a dirty monk, I didn't invite

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

Every time I log into my monk I quest for like 15 minutes and log out

I can’t handle it anymore

[lusty grotto]

I saw a dirty paladin too

[chilly brook]

The leveling that is

[lusty grotto]

Won't say names

[chilly brook]

You can’t talk about Paladins being dirty

[lusty grotto]

Filthy!

[chilly brook]

Mr. Nimchipadin

[lusty grotto]

Ahem

Nimchipadin is a holy paladin

Not the other two dirty ass specs

Speaking of which

Skittish on reaps with a ret

Y I K E S

That ret better have bubble up

[astral crystal]

late to the convo, but he does do a significant amount of dmg after backhand

unless you wall/block

[lusty grotto]

It's a she sir

Has big ole.. Boobs

W8 let's not assume genders here

[astral crystal]

the 3rd boss ripped troll from KR?

damn

very convincing

[lusty grotto]

Isn't it the same model as the bitches in UR?

[astral crystal]

it's a dude i think

[lusty grotto]

I swear it was

[astral crystal]

same model as the second boss

[lusty grotto]

Hmmm

Let me check

[stone cloud]

@astral crystal that exactly what I said... if you have block up it’s don’t hit that hard

[lusty grotto]

It's a she atticus

[astral crystal]

i said wall and block tho

idk he was smashing pretty hard on a 16

[stone cloud]

You don’t need wall

[astral crystal]

yesterday

[stone cloud]

Ilvl shield?

[astral crystal]

415

oh shit is it really @lusty grotto

[stone cloud]

Hmmmm I don’t notice it

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I never sit through Un parried backhands wtf

Much less in tyrannical

[lucid bough]

u get destroyed

[bold zinc]

Any tips for tankin mythic jade?

[lucid bough]

just ask dh or druid to taunt

[astral crystal]

have fun parsing

[lusty grotto]

Ez to kite though

[astral crystal]

fight is so good

[narrow abyss]

Fight is fun for dps

Feels like m+ with all the aoe and cleave that lines up with avatar

[astral crystal]

yeah, you burst like 35-40k on opener if you lust at pull

real good feels

[narrow abyss]

We taunted at 6-7 stacks

But I think everyone is different

[astral crystal]

we do 7-8 but do what's comfy for you

6-7 probably fine

[narrow abyss]

The way the taunts worked out I didn’t get to do MSS for damage buff 😑

But our monk did

😑

[astral crystal]

yeah i think i only get it once that fight

do you start mance or monk?

[narrow abyss]

I always start monk

[stone cloud]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleChillyWalletSaltBae

[midnight pecan]

Hey guys, any tricks to resetting stacks on champions?

[stone cloud]

Just Block and IP

[narrow abyss]

For heroic or mythic

[stone cloud]

Health bar barely moves

[narrow abyss]

Prayer of fallen makes it much easier to reset. Idk I’m on add duty 😂

[midnight pecan]

Both if there is

[stone cloud]

Mythic leap away before cast finishes and have reflect up for when he swings after he gets to you

[midnight pecan]

Prayer of the fallen that is?

[stone cloud]

Ya

[midnight pecan]

Cool, ty!

[stone cloud]

Heroic I haven’t really been able to tho

Only time possibly would be when she swaps seals

[midnight pecan]

That's what I'm getting at too, just wanted to make sure, thanks folks!

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto you missed the best joke you coulda made regarding that boss

“It’s ma’am”

[grizzled steeple]

Alright so another trinket question; 415 Merektha's Fang - 400 Lingering Sporepods - 395 Jes - 395 Rezan

What would be the preferred combo in a m+ environment?

[stone cloud]

Oof

[oblique garnet]

thats with block ip and avatar

im assuming naowh has gotten some bom gear

[hushed cobalt]

imma tell yall about a story of a shrine, the twelve shrine actually, but its a wall, and funny but frustrating, anyone interested? 😄

i got leg and ring upgrade so it was semi worth it for the gear

[chilly brook]

I mean go for it I guess

I’m in class sooooo

[hushed cobalt]

went from 15 crit/41haste/33mastery to 21crit/34haste/32mastery and +2ilvl

[lusty grotto]

okay?

[hushed cobalt]

idk just shooting the shit cause pretty bored and having to work on some plans in 5 months

[lusty grotto]

i meant

okay as in, why list secondaries

but sure story time is good

let me grab the s'mores

[hushed cobalt]

the listing was because of decent ilvl upgrades but the hit to haste

[lusty grotto]

🤷

cmon now im getting too curious

wait

was that the story?

[chilly brook]

No

[hushed cobalt]

just sent

[lusty grotto]

😢

haha you can totally put that story here, its prot related

[hushed cobalt]

""its fine things are great dps is doing things(mage doesnt like los'ing and insta roots on pulls but whatever, and rogue doesnt tricks). we get to last boss, ya know the tentacle dude-sama. resto druid doing kitty buff things great and then we smash the add, awesome. hero a tad late but mage is like idek kek topluls. with 3min left on timer the druid sits at 20k for like ever and then dies by standing in bad. does the same thing next pull. then i spam "dispel" til he does. instead of on time, we're 7m over""

[lusty grotto]

that buff

is dangerous

but so good if the player is great

disc, hpal and kitty rdruids rape everything

with it

[hushed cobalt]

120k ferocious bite, only if he/she knew how to control it, harness it

[lusty grotto]

they will get 1 shot though if they stand in bad

[hushed cobalt]

3 casts = 251k of FB

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a good kitty though

i like rdruids that kitty dot

[hushed cobalt]

cartman voice BAD KEETTYYY

[potent anvil]

Rsham with 3x IP traits for shrine is 👌

[lusty grotto]

haha

i just realized i know nothing about shamans this expansion

i think i haven't even grouped with one

at least not in M+

[potent anvil]

Let an rsham with IP traits pump last boss in shrine. They can do like 50k+ dps

[lusty grotto]

whats the IP trait do

[zinc vessel]

Rsham weird alien spec for me too, enlighten me

[chilly brook]

Resto shaman is like prot warrior

They’re either gods

Or they’re booty

No inbetween

[lusty grotto]

:p

[hushed cobalt]

IP ups lava burst damage, for i second i was like IP... Incite the Pack?

[weary thorn]

it goes deeper, you can sometimes find an rsham so bad that they would be labeled as the god of being booty

[hushed cobalt]

im staying away from shrine on my priest this week but i wanna pewpew it

[chilly brook]

I almost feel like r shams should intentionally do DPS for as long as possible and sparingly use heals since they scale with the lower people’s hp is

[hushed cobalt]

pop a totem down that heals and thats all you need right?

a turtle has made it to the water victory rush

[lusty grotto]

thats their mastery i thought

hmm i kinda feel like

they'd be great this week

just wait until mongo dps pops 7 stacks

[hushed cobalt]

until you stagger kills

[lusty grotto]

its our time to shine brother shamans

casts Chain heal (or whatever)

[hushed cobalt]

grabs nearest ship anchor chains
HEAVE-HOOOO

[mental scarab]

Lul

Btw what is the best Comp this week for KR? War tank is a given🤔

[oblique garnet]

@potent anvil my man you have embraced the RShaman hype this is what peak performance looks like

Rshaman with 3 IP is like a prot warrior basically a dps who can pump out healing where prot warrior is a dps that can tank

[dense burrow]

So I am starting to see some warriors taking NS for M+ instead of Bolstering, is that common for all M+ at all levels or just for specific ones ?

[brave mauve]

Gross

[hushed cobalt]

i healed one, seems like he didnt sb/ip til he was 1/3rd hp

[daring marlin]

Only time I’ve seen that was Nerf swapping it for third boss in motherlode

he hearthed, swapped and came back

[dense burrow]

hmm maybe that is what im seeing then

[hushed cobalt]

please turtley trinket be mine

[honest frigate]

It’s just 3rd/4th boss in ML because of the high magic damage

[daring marlin]

and sb being essentially worthless there

[honest frigate]

Nerf hearths out and swaps talent and zones back in

[daring marlin]

You don’t do much trash at that point either

@honest frigate I literally just said that lol

[narrow abyss]

Does lock summon still work for hearth and back in an m+?

[honest frigate]

Sorry I just quickly responded from my phone didn’t see other messages 🙈

[wispy sparrow]

@narrow abyss yeah but you'll be summoned to the beginning of the instance unless you're already inside

So you'd need 2 summons

[narrow abyss]

Hrm

[wispy sparrow]

You hearthing for ML?

[dusky fern]

Does IP count as a heal for leech? like will leech heal you for a portion of the IP shield amount? Thank you for any help 😃

[potent anvil]

You can set your hearth to the nearest inn near ML and after you kill the 2nd boss, you zone in at that spawn point.

[daring marlin]

yeah brother

[placid coyote]

hey guys im tanking M jaina on my alt Protwarior why devastator about booming voice?

[exotic spoke]

Are you asking why Devastator over booming voice?

[placid coyote]

yeah

[exotic spoke]

I haven’t done M Jaina yet - only working on opulence so someone else may be better suited to answer

However, I’ve heard an argument for doing it specifically for one phase (I only heard it once) but I still think you take booming voice.

[placid coyote]

im low on gear (405) so i get the shit kicked out of me

[lusty grotto]

405 is not low on gear

[exotic spoke]

That’s not low

[warm plinth]

Booming Voice is better for rage generation, not just damage; meaning it's still better for defense than Devastator.

[exotic spoke]

^^

[placid coyote]

well yeah its not low gear but comapred to my 415 main it is haha

[exotic spoke]

If you take devastator you’ll have open GCDs as well

[placid coyote]

cheers guys :!)

i still cant get my head round the fact the here ice bolt is blockabl -_-

[stone cloud]

It’s dodgeable also

[placid coyote]

yeah but the fact that a bolt is block/dodgeabl is weird

[heavy chasm]

If it wasnt you wouldn't take 90 percent of the tanks

Its just so coded physical etc. So as to not dick every tank. She still a pain in the dick to move

[lusty grotto]

its coded physical because if it wasn't we'd have Shit Augur 2.0 and that's a no from me dawg

[steel mauve]

I mean it would physically hurt to get hit by a block of ice, and plus ice is pretty hard so would be easy to block with a shield honestly

[placid coyote]

hahaha

[heavy chasm]

Of all the schools of magic it makes the most sense to be treated hat way

[lusty grotto]

lets not

do the immersion thing

please stop

dmg comes we block

[placid coyote]

[unborn island]

shield block wa

d'oh - thought I was typing in search

[grizzled fog]

does shield wall work for bursting

[lusty grotto]

Hello, Loosecannon, I am shield block wa. How may I help you?

of course it does tae

so does SR

since it's shadow magic

[grizzled fog]

oh ok thanks

[dense flame]

So this may be a dumb question. Can I intercept an ally and reflect a harmful spell that would have targeted them? Say a boss mechanic or something like that?

[lusty grotto]

no

you cannot

you could in the past

but not anymore

you can only intercept melee hits

[vapid thunder]

Hello, considering that Overwhelming Power stacks drop off with damage taken, is it an undesirable inner ring trait on Prot?

[warm plinth]

Well, you can still intercept ranged hits, just can't reflect them.

No, you still pretty much want OP if it's there

It has an ICD on how many stacks can drop per second (2 iirc?), so it's not as bad as you'd think at first glance.

[vapid thunder]

okay cool. thanks!

[small fable]

Anyone want to take a look at my logs posted in log review?

[lusty grotto]

which kill in particular

not sure what to tell you

logs look good

at least grong does

if you wanna know something in particular then sure, otherwise 🤷

i'd let someone in there curate it

[vapid thunder]

Right now I'm running a 400 Diamond Prism as one trinket, but for the second I can't decide between a 400 Sin Glad Badge, 385 Safeguard/Tuskarr Sea Charm, or some other DPS trinket. (Everchill, Rezan, etc). Any recommendations?

[tepid dagger]

So I end pretty much every 13-16 M+ at like 22k dps overall as prot. I was thinking I was on the low end, but warcraftlogs has so many warriors at like 13k. What do you guys usually have overall?

[vapid thunder]

still trying to roll out a bwon bargain, but haven't got it yet

[lusty grotto]

385s should be presents for shredder

bargain is crap

the crappiest of the crap

[vapid thunder]

good to know lol

I typically play fury and our raid tanks rave about that trinket so I figured it was good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

no

only diamond is good prot-specific

i have no idea about your other tanks

but it's flat out fucking garbage

[warm plinth]

Yikes, there are tanks that are raving about Bwonsamdi?

[lusty grotto]

🤷 you'd think you've seen it all

lol

[vapid thunder]

the more you know 🌈

[potent anvil]

i'm embracing the meme
https://i.imgur.com/gR5ecPo.png

[brave mauve]

Getting 4 BOMB procs in a row during Reaping reminds you what playing Prot is really all about

[snow spade]

does bastion of might ignore pain stack?

[warm plinth]

No sir, it does not. Just the mastery.

[snow spade]

so its bad to stack it then right?

[warm plinth]

That's incorrect. The mastery by itself makes it worth stacking, especially for M+.

[snow spade]

kk ty

[rough egret]

just got an 400 anchor

worth to run with it for m+ ?

I have 400 block 410 vial

[open bluff]

does bastion of might  ignore pain stack?

indirectly, yes; the mastery portion of bom stacks, which translates to AP which in turn translates to a bigger IP overall

but the free IP from the trait does not stack/instantly grant you IP cap, no

[snow spade]

ahh

i didnt think of that

[steel mauve]

There is no especially for m+ in that sentence

You only want to stack it for m+, its not as good as our other traits in raiding except better than CR

[amber swift]

HELLO GREAT WARRIORS! WHAT Do u think, can u suggest me plz, should i grab Alchemic 415 iLvL Trink instead of 400 Joes' Howler, it will be much better or nah?

There is my Stats. Mostly interested for High M+ Keys.

Thank you in advance!

[daring marlin]

yes

[amber swift]

So u think it Worth Dropping the Blacksmith and doing Alchemy, just to Replace 400 Joe's with 415 Alchemist Trink?

[mint adder]

What’s a Joe’s

[sick sentinel]

jes' is not really that bad

if you have the money you can do it ( and it is not that expensive to lvl up alchemy )

[amber swift]

i know, for me Jes' is also fine, but yup money and reagents for Alchemy Trink is no problem for me at all, just i don't if it will work way better in M+ or no? 😃

[stone cloud]

More mastery and crit

[lusty grotto]

@daring marlin thanks for that chuckle

[daring marlin]

What’d I do now?

lol

[lusty grotto]

so @daring marlin and @sick sentinel i have a question that i feel you two can answer

it's for a ..... friend

yes, a friend

this friend wants to know what WAs you guys use for furries

[outer dew]

friend

[lusty grotto]

a friend

[outer dew]

Just meld it

[lusty grotto]

i told him furry is 💩

[outer dew]

Need meld in your rotation

[lusty grotto]

but he insists

[glacial flint]

@amber swift jes is good for reaping waves / big pulls 😃 alchemy trinket is like a overall tool

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest, that's all i heard, couldn't listen with how hard my claps were clapping

TOFU NO

my rog is already nelf

😢

i dislike jes

2 min cd

yikes

way better trinkets offensively for M+

[shell pulsar]

is briny barnacle any good?

[lusty grotto]

eh

there are better

[outer dew]

I

[lusty grotto]

its ok

[analog swift]

Tried the howler: prefer butchers and rezans

[outer dew]

DE it so you dont have to loot council your trinkets

[analog swift]

With cooldowns lining up at different times in use trinkets don’t line up very well

[lusty grotto]

in use trinkets line up well

just not 2 min trinkets

1:30s though

[analog swift]

Yeh

[lusty grotto]

excellent 👍

[exotic spoke]

1.5 minutes line up with about every other avatar

[lunar gull]

After reading through Marok's spreadsheet, I'm still left a tad confused on just one thing, is it not worth taking more than 1 DC, even if going for a purely offensive build in M+? I'm currently 3x BoM, 3x DC, playing with Rezan's /Vial and Alchemist Stone for trinkets.. I could drop x2 DC for IF and Bloodsport and still be 3x BoM.. I just figured that playing to our offensive strength would be most beneficial.. I can link my most recent dungeon slice sim for reference, not sure how accurate they are for tanking, but my overall in 15-18 keys has been around 22-23.5k.. Will I be screwing myself by missing out on the other traits later on?

[lusty grotto]

spreadsheet is for defensive purposes

if you feel you can double/triple pull and not sweat bricks at the dmg, 3DC 3BoM works quite well

otherwise, swap some DC for defensive traits

[keen galleon]

If you want to compromise, IF is nearly as good as extra DCs offensively and has substantially more defensive value

[exotic spoke]

I’ll take more defensives personally. Happy with letting the healer dps more in high keys.

[sick sentinel]

a ww tracker and a enrage tracker

[keen galleon]

I personally think that 1x DC, 3x BOM, and 2x IF/Bloodsport is the way to go

[sick sentinel]

that's all I use

@lusty grotto

you can play fury with no addons and you will be at like 95% efficiency

[keen galleon]

BoM is insane on both offense and defense, DCx1 is an obvious must have, and Bloodsport/IF are great traits.

2x bloodsport is basically a 20% buff to ignore pain

[exotic spoke]

You don’t value BfI as important? Even if it’s just a one of?

[keen galleon]

Also I have a real dumb question about jaina heroic. When we hit p3 we keep having an issue where 1 tank freezes, we swap, and the other tank freezes before stacks have cleared

I think brace for impact is garbage.

[exotic spoke]

Curious. Mind explaining your logic?

[keen galleon]

I mean I guess if you're optimizing for single target damage it's a fine trait

[lunar gull]

Gotcha Zaeron, I personally haven't felt too spiky with the x3DC, x3BOM but it may be partly due to my statting atm? I'm at 22% Haste, 26% Mastery, 15% Vers, 11% Crit.. I'll link the sim if you're curious

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6KAfZQjVSMgbwfzGy5RNT

[lusty grotto]

Bfi is amazing if you Ss a lot

It stacks with itself

[keen galleon]

Even if you're SSing on CD it's never gonna have more than 3 stacks up in practice

[lusty grotto]

M+ you're not gonna be SSing that much

[keen galleon]

I mean yeah if you're optimizing for raid I can see prioritizing BFI higher

[lusty grotto]

3 stacks is quite a lot in defensive value though

[keen galleon]

But generally raid optimization isnt exactly an issue

[exotic spoke]

True true, I was just thinking even if you only Ss every 4th gcd (during avatar / demo shout) the extra block would be nice

[keen galleon]

If you're optimizing defensively in raid you want 1x DC, 3x bloodsport, and 2x BFI > IF

[exotic spoke]

I have 3 BoM, 1 dc, 1 bfi, 1 IF

[keen galleon]

IF does way more damage in m+ and dossnt punish you for scumbagging tc / revenge during avatar windows

Also @lunar gull I'm not saying 2x bloodsport vs 2x DC is the difference between "feeling squishy" and not. I just personally think the extra two stacks dont add enough to justify giving up the breathing room

I'd rather have room to play sloppy/aggressive thanks to defensive traits than chase absolute max possible damage at the cost of playing safer

Which I do understand is a personal choice not necessarily the optimal way to play

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree IF is the way to go in M+ over BFI

it should be that way in the guide anyway... once again the spreadsheet is for defensive purposes only

[stone cloud]

IF has little to no defensive value in m+ if you have a 415 shield

[keen galleon]

Er... why?

[stone cloud]

I thought

[stone cloud]

Cause you’re already block value capped for m+

[lusty grotto]

that's the M+ listing in the guide

[stone cloud]

Or so I was told

[keen galleon]

I thought block value cap was a function of incoming damage

I.e. the harder they hit the higher you can take block

[stone cloud]

Max is 85% I think

[lusty grotto]

Block DR = BV / (BV + K)

[keen galleon]

And K is?

[lusty grotto]

K value

one sec

M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```

fuck how can i block quote i forgot

got it 👍

[stone cloud]

So as long as block value is = to K it can’t block anymore correct?

Or am I retarded

[grim loom]

how shit is bonded souls for prot? cant find it in the sticky google doc

[keen galleon]

You're not understanding

[lusty grotto]

6340 BV on a 415 shield

[stone cloud]

I’m just saying what I was told...

[lusty grotto]

Block DR = 6340 / (6340 + 8467.2)

[keen galleon]

If K is 1000 and block value is 1000 the formula is 1000 / (1000+1000)

So, 1000/2000 =.50

[stone cloud]

@wooden radish

[keen galleon]

You block half the damage.

If you increased block value, youd block more. If you increased K, youd block less

[oblique garnet]

Holy fuck fh on high tyrannical is spicy

[keen galleon]

There is no cap that I can see from this formula

[stone cloud]

There is when you factor in warriors crit block

[tacit onyx]

does the spell reflect WA in pins still work? cant seem to get it working

[keen galleon]

Because?

[stone cloud]

Because it looses value

It’s the same idea as hpally in legion

Any crit over 50% was useless

[lusty grotto]

23% Block DR with just M+ k values and 415 shield

btw

correct spelling is "loses" btw

[stone cloud]

I’m on a phone at work 🙄

[lusty grotto]

that's 46% with a crit block

[keen galleon]

If that's the case you should need to more than double the block value from your shield before you start hitting anything like diminishing returns

Which is pretty unlikely

[wooden radish]

🤔

[exotic spoke]

And it’s all % based reduction correct or am I an idiot as I skim over this again

[keen galleon]

It's all % based

[rustic zodiac]

what would you guys take? Elemental whirl, Winds of war or Blood siphon? what would be a good defensive choice?

[lusty grotto]

it's damage reduction

do not confuse it with Block Chance

[keen galleon]

Getting a better azerite piece would be a good plan A

[lusty grotto]

or crit block chance which mastery increases

[exotic spoke]

Just wanted to be sure and yeah - I thought so.

Yeah nim I meant % of damage taken

[keen galleon]

Plan b would be either winds of war or blood siphon.

[exotic spoke]

Plan b is always kill it with fire

[lusty grotto]

any prot specifics @rustic zodiac ?

[rustic zodiac]

nop

just those

[lusty grotto]

that's impossible

how can you not have prot specifics?

[keen galleon]

Those are ring 2 traits

Er ring 3.

[lusty grotto]

ohhhh

oops

yeah my bad

[rustic zodiac]

yeah ring 3

[lusty grotto]

my head is still in napkin math mode

[keen galleon]

Winds is stronger defensively and stronger in m+

[lusty grotto]

apologies

[rustic zodiac]

yeah was thinking for m+

[brisk rain]

Hey, can you give me any tips for tanking jaina on hc?

[keen galleon]

Blood siphon has more than 0 offensive value so it's probably the best of the bad choices

[steel mauve]

a 415 shield would still be just under DR cap with a crit block for m+, but IF is still one of our stronger traits for m+ and gains more value in m+ than it does in raiding

[exotic spoke]

If is 4th for m+ I thought. 3rd if you discount DC

[lusty grotto]

no

[steel mauve]

actually it would be exactly DR block cap for a crit block, but it still stands, since its a chance to crit block a regular block will still gain a lot of DR from IF

[lusty grotto]

IF is third

[exotic spoke]

Oh third fuck me

Third and second

[steel mauve]

second after you take out 1 DC

[exotic spoke]

Yeah,

[rustic zodiac]

one more question, Tradewinds or Iron Fortress for m+?

[remote tusk]

I have 3 BoM ❤

[steel mauve]

IF

[lusty grotto]

prot specifics @rustic zodiac

i just pasted the list from the icy veins guide

[rustic zodiac]

ok ty

[lusty grotto]

with just one IF

[lime lark]

Which of these would you use :
'Jes' Howler 400'
'Vial of Animated Blood 410'
'Diamond-laced Refracting Prism 385 with socket'.
For raiding and or mythic+?

[exotic spoke]

Vial and diamond imo

[lucid bough]

could be never surrender worth in mega high shrine key?

[steel mauve]

no

[lusty grotto]

Block DR = 6340 + 460 / (6340 + 460 + 8467.2) assuming 415 shield and 415 IF

26%

[exotic spoke]

So 26.2% reduction

[steel mauve]

never surrender is a 1%:1% ratio, meaning for it to fully be worth it, it would have to be near dead

[lusty grotto]

with a single IF

[lucid bough]

ya

but still bigger IP all the way

[lusty grotto]

even with a crit block, you're still far away from a cap

[steel mauve]

our build never changes, other than the level 30 and level 75 tier

[lusty grotto]

for fun lets do 3 IFs

425

err sorry 415

[steel mauve]

you're math is wrong

[lusty grotto]

6340/ (6340 + 8467.2)

[steel mauve]

you're taking the armor value from the shield there, not the block value

[brave mauve]

Maybe I need to update deja character stats, but it's telling me my block beats yours up without any IF's at all

[steel mauve]

6340 / 6340 + 8467.2)

[lusty grotto]

oh

you're right

yeah

whoops

[steel mauve]

a 415 shield blocks 42.8% of damage

with out IF

[iron light]

me and my friends want to level but we dont have wow time, can someone invite us to the same group ?

[brave mauve]

410 shield, no Iron Fortress

[lusty grotto]

its cause i fucking copied my shield from armory cause im lazy

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, it’s close to 50% for me

[steel mauve]

thats not taking into account the k value of a m+

[brave mauve]

lol

[steel mauve]

thats just same level enemies

[exotic spoke]

With 1 If - going from memory

[brave mauve]

Ah, fair

[exotic spoke]

And true

[steel mauve]

a normal same level enemy has a much lower k value than a m+ and going into raids

[lusty grotto]

hmm weird

elvui displays block value on shields

without deja whatever

but wowhead and armory do not

[distant crystal]

the game shows block value

in item tooltips

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[exotic spoke]

But armory doesn’t

[steel mauve]

6340 is the value of a 415

[lusty grotto]

so whats the bv on a 415 shield

[exotic spoke]

Is what he’s saying

[lusty grotto]

thanks iron

let me fix my math just in case someone goes searching for it

[exotic spoke]

What’s a 400 bf?

Bv

[steel mauve]

5692

[brave mauve]

5,692 at 400

[distant crystal]

5130 @ 385

before you ask :p

[exotic spoke]

Nah I stop at 400 :p. Is this info (and the k values for different levels) in the spreadsheet?

[lusty grotto]

so 42% without IF

not sure if it is but they should be searchable here

42.81% to be more precise

85.6% crit block

6800 / (6800+8467.2) With one 415 IF

44.53%

so basically, IF gains value whenever you don't crit block

because you'd be capped

otherwise

because mastery increases chance, but it doesn't mean you'll crit block 100% of the times

[ocean acorn]

@lusty grotto is 8467.2 k value for mythic +

[lusty grotto]

yes

[ocean acorn]

oh i c

it doesnt scale with key level right

[lusty grotto]

no

M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```

its the same from M0 to M-Anykey

which is weird

[exotic spoke]

so, all m+ are 8467 regardless of level

Very

[lusty grotto]

yeah

but hey

it kinds of benefits us by being that low

[exotic spoke]

True

[lusty grotto]

i think that's most certainly intentional... you're doing trash most of the time

they won't increase K values where you're constantly tanking 4 mobs for example

that'd make it unreasonably difficult

[exotic spoke]

Is k the same value for armor as well?

[lusty grotto]

plus your party size is constant and small compared to raids

yes

[exotic spoke]

That’s convenient at least

[heavy spade]

I've got a question about the state of prot warrior, as a bear main I've been seeing an influx of prot warrior in high m+ keys over the meta blood dk, can anyone explain why they become so powerful this patch?

[lusty grotto]

short answer: reaping

and the addition of BoM to the table

we do ungodly amounts of damage

we did do ungodly amounts of dmg pre 8.1 as well

[heavy spade]

So it's not due to any form of utility or defensive ability? Just pure dps

[exotic spoke]

It also feels smoother with the IP change imo. Less clunky

[distant crystal]

we have more armor and hp

[lusty grotto]

its just dps for the most part

[exotic spoke]

Mitigation like a mother fucker and dps

[distant crystal]

and IP is more useable

[lusty grotto]

those 2 are hardly it

[distant crystal]

• obscene dmg

[lusty grotto]

they were small changes

we are just better at clearing huge packs

[heavy spade]

Makes sense

Then does that mean they would be considered sub par for raid tanking?

[lusty grotto]

no

[supple path]

And we got better at stuff at the same time DKs got a mild/moderate nerf

[lusty grotto]

we are top for raid tanking as well

[distant crystal]

warriors are still the best tanks for blockable dmg

[heavy spade]

I only do AOTC each tier so it doesn't hugely matter what spec I play

[lusty grotto]

i feel for you as bear 😦

[heavy spade]

For raid that is

[lusty grotto]

😢

[heavy spade]

Yeah stampeding roar on 1min cd is alright but that's about it lol

[lusty grotto]

warriors were and still are extremely strong in raids

we were great in uldir

but since WF guilds didn't choose us, people thought we were crap

now since WF guilds did choose us, suddenly we're good

[heavy spade]

Lol fair

[distant crystal]

i mean other classes had some really neat utility

RoP, gorefiends, pally things

[lusty grotto]

we ripped every fucking dude off in Zul

provided we didnt have to stop to cheese with Sub Rogues

[heavy spade]

Lol fair

So warrior is a good bet for a re roll right now?

[lusty grotto]

yikes a reroller

umm sure

should be easy for you

[heavy spade]

Kinda sick of bear atm

[brave mauve]

Unlikely to be a good payoff.

By the time you're levelled, geared, and as skilled, Reaping will have passed

[heavy spade]

Lol true

[distant crystal]

i rolled a warrior as my first alt shortly after launch, nobody would take me to keys

[brave mauve]

And likely the next seasonal affix won't benefit us as much

[distant crystal]

now i'm hot, they all on me

[lusty grotto]

i took myself to keys in 8.0

got 1.2k ez

then people invited me and i amazed them

[supple path]

god pugs hated us in season 1.

Felt like 95% of groups "BDK ONLY I R META SLAVE"

[lusty grotto]

community perception

[distant crystal]

tfw you get invited and then the healer leaves

[supple path]

And then every single group "WOW YOUR DPS IS SO HIGH"

[exotic spoke]

Community perception was horrible and that hurt

[lusty grotto]

is why i ran with a ret

my ret friend outdpsed a shitload of people

and then he quit before they got buffed in 8.1

• reaping christ

[brave mauve]

I unironically wish Reinforced Plating was still around, instead of having been replaced. Imagine 3x BoM, 2xRP, 1xDC in M+ I'd love to see what kind of strength a 415 RP would give you

[exotic spoke]

I was close to quitting

[lusty grotto]

reflective plating though

would be better

[brave mauve]

Well yeah, but that was never a trait in BFA, so...

May as well say "I wish T21 2pc was still a thing" while we're at it

[lusty grotto]

you said RP, i went with the RP that did do something

because plating was absolute shit

[sick sentinel]

it was absolute trash

[brave mauve]

~500 Str rolling all the time at 415 would not be that bad compared to some traits we still use.

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt Im 1 score ahead from you :))

[sick sentinel]

I didn't do any mplus today pepehands

[lusty grotto]

this gonna be good

[sick sentinel]

I wanted to catch up

[lusty grotto]

can we have a 3-stream

[brave mauve]

*laughs in asterisks*

[lusty grotto]

so yamo was 2k first then kaege

then late? always late

is that order wrong

🍿

guaranteed replies

[distant crystal]

damn

you killed the channel

nobody wants to reply when they see guaranteed replies

😄

[sick sentinel]

me and late reached 2k at the same evening

[distant crystal]

i just hit 1505 🤷

got some catchin' up to do

[primal crypt]

I can't push score

literally can't

[sick sentinel]

same

my group was literally retarded today

[primal crypt]

this has been the whole week

over and over

I think we got a couple waycrest

but no other keys

I've done 17-19 siege maybe 11 times now

[oblique garnet]

Dude

I need siege

Desperately

Its the one fucking key i need anymore

[primal crypt]

take them

I dont want siege again this week

I'm so done with siege

[sick sentinel]

we are only getting kings rests

[oblique garnet]

We have underrot 21 and 19

Gonna do tol 19 now

[sick sentinel]

do you know what is fun

your group being legit tards

and wiping on bosses on 16s

[distant crystal]

last night we somehow failed kicks on the last boss of shrine 16

with a rogue and a dh dps 😦

healer died, rogue tried to engi rez, slapped by tentacle

scuffed

me and healer cam out of our phase and i charged over to the mob just in time to watch the cast go off

[sick sentinel]

first we scuff a motherlode 17
"ok guys we have 2 motherlodes so we are going to the 16 to test out a new route and then we go and time the 17"
I realize in the middle of the run, we were doing the 17

it was going well though, until we had to use 2 brezs on the second boss

and we got there with 2 brezes instead of 4

[hushed cobalt]

did you die tho? o.0

[sick sentinel]

then we realise

hey

we were planning to double deathskip

and we have 0 brezes

so rip run

we finish the run we get a shrine 16

and since I timed a 16 shrine while drunk at 2 am with 2 guildies and 2 random people

I thought it would have been fine

and then healer died to cleave of the second boss

and then rogue died to cleave

so we just called it for the night

and I went to progress M blockade as fury after being benched for rastakhan and mekka

[inland mesa]

Sounds like my kings rest, we are timing 18s almost 19s on other keys and we cant do kings rest to save our lives on a damn 15

[exotic spoke]

We scuffed a siege 17 because we got stuck in combat the whole time. Healer couldn’t drink / we couldn’t mount before the last boss. Missed it by 30 seconds

[sick sentinel]

riki if you get that bug you have to kill the smollies

@inland mesa if your dpses are dying in KR you can take safeguard

it does wonders

[inland mesa]

@primal crypt I feel you, all we got all week was temple and motherloade and my group cant dodge cyclone strike if there was a million dollar reward for it

Safeguard for what the gold on first boss?

[sick sentinel]

yes

it ticks like 130k on 18

we missed kr 18 by 20 sec

had 3 deaths during axe lady in third boss

[inland mesa]

What path do you take, still trying to figure out a good one, we just seem to eat it by 1st or 2nd boss each time

[inland mesa]

Like last time we were doing really well then they chained slimes to keep a bursting up to 6 7 8 9 stack over like forever until we died

[sick sentinel]

you do slime room in 2 pulls

[inland mesa]

Yeah...I tried

.>

Yeah same path from the look of it
invis front, invis 5 pack double zerk, kill double zerk, pull 5 pack to side rez, zul reap

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[inland mesa]

Just cant find a group to execute it, my last 15 for achieve when I'm like 4 18s I think

Gotta try to find an 18 atal tonight too for easy rank

[analog swift]

Y’all don’t try to skip the last reaping?

[lusty grotto]

more of a hassle to do

than to do the last reap itself

bridge skipping with cutscene is aids

people end up autorunning to africa

or whatever tomfoolery while autoskipping/skipping cutscene

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel one of the lost souls never came to us. Was caught way back after first boss but before you cross the water. We couldn’t find it until it appeared while we were killing the last boss

[inland mesa]

I always get reaping in the 2nd boss room whereas the nerfclap stream they got it to pull into the boss, I always have slimes or golems up yet I dont know why

[exotic spoke]

He skipped some trash early on. The golems maybe?

[lusty grotto]

4 golems probably

[sick sentinel]

you can just jump over something and bug them and teleport to you

[inland mesa]

Yeah we failed a TD 19 as reaping mobs bugged and stood down in crocodile room keep us in combat until we ran all the way back down never ported up

[unborn island]

third boss KR

any tips?

[lusty grotto]

what are you dying to lol

[inland mesa]

We skip whole front. I'll have to watch it again

[unborn island]

haven't died yet

just aware of the one which smashes my armour

[lusty grotto]

i mean, there's no tips

just do the mechanics

[unborn island]

do i just like, leap away from that or whatever?

[lusty grotto]

pray it gets parried

[inland mesa]

Leap first and laugh, have someone stand where you need them to. To intervene 2nd repeat

[supple path]

Depending on key level, you either just use a CD to facetank it or kite with potential leap

[lusty grotto]

if not then kite

its easy enough

[exotic spoke]

I’ll keep that in mind kaege

Kite it

[lusty grotto]

you can just step out a bit as shes doing it

to get a headstart

just dont be at the edge

[supple path]

He knocks you away when he casts it so face him somewhere not silly.

[exotic spoke]

Leap away, have healer or ranged position themselves for a safe intervene

[lusty grotto]

if you don't get the debuff that means you parried it

so you can just stay facetanking

[stone cloud]

@primal crypt I’ve played with your hpally before

She’s good healer

You can face take with the armor debuff on a 18 with SB+IP

Tank*

He don’t hit that hard

[sick sentinel]

why not like, run

[bold zinc]

*how do you deal with the mage as a prot warrior on jade

[stone cloud]

Dps loss

Reflect and spam IP demo on CD

[lusty grotto]

if you have avatar for the armor debuff you can certainly facetank

should crit block enough

[exotic spoke]

Reflect, IP, demo, and make sure your healers can heal you

[stone cloud]

Even without avatar

[lusty grotto]

anyway i have a question for teamchip or whoever and @sick sentinel , im trying to alter our route on ML a bit - do you let the dudes summon the big robot for more percent? we've been doing it but just wondering what people usually do

[exotic spoke]

We tend to do it once or twice but not always

[oblique garnet]

yikes

20 ml

hard pass

[lusty grotto]

late

[stone cloud]

I tend to do them until the circle around

[exotic spoke]

Go for 98% and death skip, then clear last pack

[lusty grotto]

youre teamchip what do

[oblique garnet]

for ml?

we only do with 1 deathskip

[sick sentinel]

I let robots to go in

[lusty grotto]

yeah that depends on the group comp for double death skip

[sick sentinel]

btw

you get 2 bursting stacks

[lusty grotto]

that's what i thought

oh

that i didnt know

for both the robot and the dude

makes sense i guess?

[exotic spoke]

True. My group has a night that can Rez

[sick sentinel]

because both the jokey and the robot die

and they both give %

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[exotic spoke]

^^

[lusty grotto]

i havent ran ML this week christ

i ran it too much last week and the one before

[oblique garnet]

its pretty easy

this week

ngl

[sick sentinel]

you can chainpull

[exotic spoke]

Yeah wasn’t too bad but then again mine was a 15 or 16

Get one pack to half health, grab the next, ad nauseum

[lusty grotto]

yeah that part is nbd

i think i just dislike ML for the sheer amount of times ive run it this fucking season

[exotic spoke]

I hate the double mastermind pull

That and zul in KR are my nemesis

[sick sentinel]

we double deathskip ml

[lusty grotto]

zul is ez this week though

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, on fort weeks I mean

Where do you do your first kaege

[sick sentinel]

tbf ML is my least done dungeon and shine my second least

[lusty grotto]

i kinda like shrine nowadays

but that's thanks to all the skips ive learned lol

[sick sentinel]

I kind of do

since yesterday

but like

not when people get cleaved

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[oblique garnet]

and 2.1 ✅

[sick sentinel]

you got 2.1k?

I am still at 2045 since yesterday pepehands

[lusty grotto]

paging @modern brook

[oblique garnet]

yeah timed 19 tol

gonna put me at 2110

Cant push anymore this week tho

[lusty grotto]

why not

[oblique garnet]

the team is raiding tomorrow and our healer went to sleep

[lusty grotto]

ah

[exotic spoke]

What dps are you guys sustaining over the dungeon?

[empty patrol]

Had 17k overall in wm12 today

But it depends a lot on the Dungeon, how you pull and how your group is doing

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, just curious for a rough estimate. I’m doing 15k or so in 15s/16s

[glacial flint]

14,5k undr 12

[worldly cargo]

Our clapper does like 21k in 10-15s

[stone cloud]

Underrot 14 and 15 last night with mw/spriest double Dh I was at like 18K+

[oblique garnet]

20-30k depending on the dungeon

[stone cloud]

30K 🤔

[oblique garnet]

big pulls

and prepots

and also freehold so you can get good reapings and big pulls all the time

[exotic spoke]

No tree holds yet. Mostly TD and UR this week

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto why am i always pinged on my days off

[broken roost]

because Team Bullfango

[willow scarab]

I do 24k ish average across all dungeons

Late to the convo about ML but I always do the double death skip route too because miss me with those masterminds

And ML / shrine are everyone’s least run dungeons

[rapid wren]

im only doing like 8-10k in 10s as prot. what am i doing wrong? 😣

[willow scarab]

Low Ilvl? Small pulls? Bad trinkets?

[rapid wren]

390 ilvl

[willow scarab]

That’s definitely a part of it, I’m 414 and I know some of these other guys are too

[rapid wren]

oh gotcha

[willow scarab]

I also pot every pull, trash included

[rapid wren]

i wish i could but im so broke in wow

[broken roost]

404 ilvl here, never pot but use flask.. average 17k to 21k depending on the dungeon

[warm plinth]

Not using Demo Shout/Avatar enough, not using TC on cooldown (especially during Avatar)...10k overall is still a bit low for a 390 I would say.

[broken roost]

like 12k on a boss or 15k with hero

[willow scarab]

When you get to higher Ilvl you’ll do more and be able to sell carries to pay for pots

That’s the only reason I have any gold

[rapid wren]

thats smart i should just do the carries on my dk

[willow scarab]

15k is good for 404

At 414 I’m doing 16k on hero

[broken roost]

15k isn't every boss or anything but sometimes happens lol

[willow scarab]

Oh okay, I’m averaging 16k boss

A little bit less if I have to abuse ignor epain

[broken roost]

also running rezans/butcher block so I don't have the huge trash power

but maybe better ST results

[willow scarab]

I’ve got 400 on use pvp trinket and 415 block

I’ve also got an everchill and I tested all 3 in different combinations and scenarios but those 2 seem best for ST and aoe for me

[broken roost]

395 rezan and 400 block, but I also have 385 Knot/Vial and 415 Jes'

[sick sentinel]

10k is really really low

[willow scarab]

I would use 395 rezan and 385 vial personally because I like that playstyle

[sick sentinel]

I am sure it is bad play

[willow scarab]

Some people are using double Proc though

[sick sentinel]

rezan diamond here

or rezan goreblock

depends

[willow scarab]

Diamond does no damage though 👀

[gentle notch]

Been playing Vengence DH all expansion, finally leveled a warrior for the first time ever and now my healer wont stop thanking me. Got to 398 only doing m+ in 5 days. Glad to join you boys

[broken roost]

If I had a 400 diamond/vial/knot I'd use those instead of the block

[rapid wren]

hey @willow scarab when you sell the keys how do you get people

s gold

[sick sentinel]

therefore the goreblock

trey you get the gold before you put the key in

[willow scarab]

They trade it to me because I’m on a massively populated server

[rapid wren]

but arent they on another server

[willow scarab]

We don’t put the key in until I get it

[warm plinth]

Welcome to the #1 tank spec @gentle notch 😉

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I know part of why my dps is lower is I’m not doing as large of pulls as you all

[gentle notch]

I missed being able to actually survive

I forgot what it felt like

[rapid wren]

@warm plinth is this the blood disc? 😉

[willow scarab]

I try to never pull less than 5

[warm plinth]

WOAH

HEY

[willow scarab]

And always pull next back when current one is dying

[exotic spoke]

I do that fumeiyo

[willow scarab]

Maybe record a key and we can review it?

[gentle notch]

Pulling more than 5 means you have to trust your outlaw rogue to not bladeflurry everything. I don't have that kind of faith this week.

[exotic spoke]

I think I was basing my number on UR. There are some only duo pulls? Yeah. Oh I know I need to work on rotation

[willow scarab]

Healer can handle 5 stacks and my ele needs 5 too

[exotic spoke]

And all that. Doing a 17 in a few so I can try to get it logged.

[willow scarab]

There are 2? 3? Duo pulls in UR

[exotic spoke]

Trying to get comfortable pushing again after a year of not doing it

[astral crystal]

tfw missed the 18 sob

kms fam

[exotic spoke]

They don’t want me pulling more than 2 s teachers or whatever they are

Before second boss

[willow scarab]

Start of instance double pull, The 2 casters before 3rd boss and the worm/caster after 3rd boss

Rest of UR is big pulls

[supple path]

Man, the problem with bursting is never the actual stack number, but always "was it 10 seconds of rolling a 3 stack into a 4 stack into a 5 stack into a 6 stack etc."

[willow scarab]

Need bigger brain dps by the sounds of that

[supple path]

Pretty sure a 6 stack caused by 6 mobs dying simultaneously is less total damage than a 3 stack that gets refreshed into a 4 right before it fades

[exotic spoke]

You also had 10 ilvls on me too fumeiyo

Yes

[willow scarab]

Yeah but I do slightly higher keys so it balances out

[exotic spoke]

True true

Fumeiyo the actual name of your warrior?

[warm plinth]

Well, 6 stacks would be 84% health right? Whereas 3 stack (assuming 3 ticks) then 4 stack (4 ticks) would be 87.5% health if I did the math right

[willow scarab]

Yeah it is

Frostmourne

[exotic spoke]

K thanks

[warm plinth]

So yeah, 3 refreshed to 4 would be more than 6 stacks at once

[supple path]

Thanks for mathing it. The numbers now support how mad I am at hunters.

[willow scarab]

My gear is poorly optimised, have a nice look at my Azerite and vers

[warm plinth]

😂

[willow scarab]

Not happy about either

[exotic spoke]

I saw rofl

[willow scarab]

I’ve rolled those shoulders 3 times

Worst of all the options and I can’t coin grong or conclave successfully

10TR off rolling then a third time

[exotic spoke]

Look up Riki on bloodhoof

I’ve gained about 6 ilvls since that TD

[willow scarab]

I hate your trinkets