protection

[lusty grotto]

mastery increases attack power yes

[rough egret]

so having a 50% mastery 20% haste 10%crit vs 37%mast 17%haste 18% crit ? 😄

[lusty grotto]

again

i am not sure

how many times ive actually said this

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone have a pawn string with they can post for there prot warr (I know it's very specific to gear, but just starting out)

[lusty grotto]

no

we don't use pawn

[wary gyro]

more stats>specific stats

[sick sentinel]

Oh

Okat

Okay

[daring marlin]

pawn

🤢

another arathi warfront week and no elite warfront shoulders

feelsbadman

[chilly brook]

I sat through two darkshores last night

So boring

[daring marlin]

at least arathi is less uh

[chilly brook]

400 chest for both characters though

[daring marlin]

gated

darkshore is garbage

and takes forever to actually start

[chilly brook]

It kinda felt cool initially

Until it actually started

[daring marlin]

A litle epic the first time.

[chilly brook]

Then I was like

[daring marlin]

then it just

[chilly brook]

Bruh

[daring marlin]

OH GOD

When people bugged it out

made me wanna scream

WAIT FOR THE GLAIVES

NO REALLY WAIT FOR THE GLAIVES

STOP PLEASE

can't kill last bitch

nice waste of 30 minutes

[chilly brook]

I literally just halfway through tabbed out and watched YouTube not gonna lie

[wary gyro]

at least they upped the iron income in arathi so you dont spend 10 minutes waiting for enough to finish the workshop

[slate pilot]

What is the ignore pain cap?

[wary gyro]

1.3 times the base value iirc

[lucid bough]

https://imgur.com/a/2n14eVh

on a random fh 18

its not that bad trinket

4% damagfe

@wise mirage

was 400 version

[daring marlin]

everchill is legit

I like it a lot

just want it higher ilvl 😦

[chilly brook]

@lucid bough why block out your name?

[sick sentinel]

I was wondering that as well

[olive lotus]

For mythic+ 10-15s: 410 Rezan, 415 alchemist trinket, 400 butchers block? Which 2

[hollow thorn]

only 41% TC dmg smh

It does 51-53% for me

[soft glen]

how many ilvls is it worth to drop a socketed piece for a new one? i'm not sure what the rule is for tanking gear

[lusty grotto]

for shields 0

for 1 handers 0

for rings about 10 or 5

everything else about 5

[sick sentinel]

man i hate shrine

[lusty grotto]

i hate TD

[sick sentinel]

we played really good couple deaths on last boss gone it takes so long

well we had low dps tbh but still

[topaz compass]

Jes's Howler any use anywhere?

[sick sentinel]

its good

i use it on m+ for sure with rezan

[topaz compass]

I'm trying out Prot for M+ but not sure what trinkets to look for

Oh Jes's and Rezan?

neat

[sick sentinel]

yeah well i got 425 jes so its hard to replace that 😄

but still even if i had 400 i would use it probably

opulence trinket is also good for defensive

[topaz compass]

Haven't got it so I'll stick to Jes

Tyvm

[lucid bough]

@chilly brook idk mate

[west inlet]

For all m+ players here: the shadow smash bug seems to occur when aggro switches on the caster

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that's why this week it's happening all the time

where other weeks it was a bit more fine

[merry cave]

Am I crazy or are reaping getting skittish?

It feels like they are but I may be imagining it

[astral crystal]

skittish affects you

your threat mod is decreased

[merry cave]

Oh thatd make sense then

[sick sentinel]

Skittish just affects your person/threat modifier

Oh he said it

[night halo]

Similar to Grevious

[sick sentinel]

Phone typing is slow af

[merry cave]

I always thought it was a mob change, but that'd make sense why reaping would change too :)

[sick sentinel]

well easy way to actualy understand where smash is hitting rather then look at the smash on the ground look where add is facing

you never fail like that until bug is fixed

[hushed cobalt]

I thought affixes didn't interact with reaping besides their hp on death. Which led me to believe skittish while affecting you wouldn't affect you on reaping

[sand kettle]

I think it was mentioned above that skittish doesnt affect the mobs, it affects the tank

[astral crystal]

^

[chilly brook]

Skittish literally just limits your threat generation

But we don’t notice that anyways as prot

[lucid kelp]

I notice

but only with DH's

[sand kettle]

outside of Avatar people can get aggro with their cds 😛

[merry cave]

I notice at times with my outlaw rogue if I don't have avatar up and he's being a lazy shit and not using tricks

[hushed cobalt]

Lurker's Insidious Gift, is it now a minute cooldown and mastery doesn't increase with ilvl? (Via wowhead)

[urban briar]

hey guys im pretty fresh here but quick question which would be best trinket a 400 vial of animated blood with a 410 block or a 400 jes howlers with a socket? or what u think would be best for prot warriors im currently aiming for mythic raid and high keys?

[shadow hornet]

What fight style do you guys use on raidbots to find stat weights for Battle for Dazar'alor?

[vagrant talon]

How do you deal with the Dino in atal I feel like that bleed hurts a lot

[hushed cobalt]

Vial+block for damage, block+jes for defensive

Keep SB up and IP for dino bleed, last stand if you really feel like your healer isn't doing enough healing

[urban briar]

so for high keys like 16-17+ what 2 trinkets would u go?

[lucid kelp]

so like

hypothetically speaking....3 Overhwleming power traits would give you 2000~ haste

I wonder what kinda % i'd get with that

[vocal quiver]

doing mythic grong, can u spell reflect bestial throw? if so how?

[analog garnet]

i was just about to ask the same thing

is it during the throw or just before?

[shut summit]

before

use it when he is casting his 3rd ability

[tired cove]

sense i'm rooting for your team in mdi this year don't let me down brother

[shut summit]

lol

dont hold yo breath

[tired cove]

just don't invite naeno unless he mains DH or rogue ezzy win

[sick sentinel]

I really hope this mdi isn't speed running bitch keys again

everyone is a lot more experienced, would be nice to actually test teams

[analog garnet]

any changes to my build for mythic grong next week? thx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pVQY7HPpHyjnXG6v4QNnPN

[outer dew]

just want to see an all druid meme team

[astral crystal]

farm a stronger shield

just spam AD til you get one

[analog garnet]

will do thx

[vocal quiver]

going to try this spell reflect lets see how it goes

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dvqCbqCLreqpRSTFUQ76wk @analog garnet

that's the most ST dps you're going to get out of your toon with it's current setup

you take a small suvivability hit, but it's grong

it's not like you need it

[vocal quiver]

Also how do you guys manage it when its 3xbeastial smash?

[sick sentinel]

tank a takes the first smash, tank b taunts and takes the second smash, tank a taunts back and takes the third

by the the time the third comes out tank a's first stack will of dropped

[vocal quiver]

my bad didnt read crushed last 2 sec

[undone sun]

@lucid kelp haste per 1% is 68, so that's quite a bit

Plus stacking haste is multiplactive

[dense flame]

do you guys like the strength in numbers trait

[warm plinth]

Not really.

[astral crystal]

there's better but it's pretty good compared to some alternatives on the same ring

[lucid kelp]

the only way to get Azerite M+ pieces is Residuum now right?

[warm plinth]

If you want them at a substantial ilevel, yes. You can still get 370s from Mythic.

[lucid kelp]

so barring a lucky Titanforge it's Residuum

[warm plinth]

Azerite can't war/titanforge, so just residuum

[lucid kelp]

ohh

[warm plinth]

If you do a +10 every week, you can get a random 415 every 3 weeks.

[lucid kelp]

hmmm

so basically there's no way im gunna get Triple Overwhelming power

[warm plinth]

You can get 3x OP. You'll just have to get lucky rolls from residuum, or do much higher keys and get the specific pieces.

[lucid kelp]

ye the specifics are gunna take like..what? 7k Residuum each?

[warm plinth]

Yep, 7150

[lucid kelp]

the only reason I want this is so I can stack ungodly amounts of haste and screen shot it..XD

[astral crystal]

painful for now, but if you have a decent mythic raid farm going you can get it a little faster

[sick sentinel]

what's the best trait for prot with the engineering helm?

i assume the shock/5% less damage one or the one that shrinks/enlarges you?

[brave mauve]

BOMB if you like to party 👌 👌 👌

Otherwise shrink and grow

[cursive dune]

Hi fellow prots I droped my log for last nights normal run could you guys check out and give me some pointers?

my char is Némm obviously ^^

[nimble echo]

Is a 405 ritual bandages worth using over a 400 rezans and the 415 alchem trink?

[eager phoenix]

I'd say you run Rezan's/Alch.

[cursive dune]

btw my log is in #449510248579858432

[lyric summit]

How do you guys handle shrine this week?

[crisp pecan]

hello fellow prots

[ionic fern]

Hi.

[jovial crane]

Hey fellas

I went to SR the Cyclone Strike on Temple but reflect didnt reflect it, is there a specific way you need to do it or am I just bad? 😛

[ionic fern]

You can only SR the ones that are not cast on you.

Was working fine for me yesterday

[jovial crane]

ohhhhhh that makes sense

[ionic fern]

If it's cast on you then you move out of the way.
If it's cast on someone else then you move infront and put SR up.

[jovial crane]

thanks heaps for the info!

[sick sentinel]

Ilvl 400 socketed Mchimba’s Ritual Bindings. Any good?

[ionic fern]

Depends on what else you have.

[sick sentinel]

380 rezans and 395 Howler

[ionic fern]

Well, 2 on uses trigger the 30s CD on trinkets so you gotta play around that somehow.
In general most absorb trinkets are underwhelming.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

Agreed

[crisp pecan]

wait what, you can SR cyclone

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[crisp pecan]

thats broken

by the way i am looking for any video of shrine 15+ completed on time with current affixes

cant find em

[ionic fern]

We did a 17 but went over by 4 minutes since our Shaman decided to die on every boss.

😦

[crisp pecan]

meh, i miss only this one for achiev

did 16 yesterday went 4 misn over time as well

i cnat find fast route

[ionic fern]

Skip the first elemental, skip the bridge elemental and ggwp

Those are the 2 biggest time dumps and ineffective pulls.

Unless you pull more into them

[crisp pecan]

first elemental you mean this pack before 1st boss?

[ionic fern]

The elemental with 2 casters with it before the first boss.

[crisp pecan]

yes

you shroud it?

[ionic fern]

Either that or lock gate.

Just be sure that your rogue knows what he's doing..
He Shrouds->Jumps down on the edge + distract the elemental and then you all jump down.

[crisp pecan]

you also skip these 3 gus and blobs above platform, right? only kill blobs next to boss

[ionic fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-R8C2u_bI

Watch this from 3:25

He explains the skip

And yes you can.

[crisp pecan]

thanks, i really struggle with this dung

dont think it will be easier next week

[ionic fern]

Shrine is horrible on every week.

😂

[crisp pecan]

i believe it should have bigger timer

btw really helpful guide

[ionic fern]

Jeah, he has guides on all dungeons on his channel.

Or most of them..not 100% if all.

[edgy patrol]

Hey guys is the Bonded Souls trait good?

Dont see it listed on icyveins

[lucid kelp]

its ok but not better than the Prot specific traits

[distant crystal]

hmm

M+ trinkets

400 rezan 405 prism 400 butcher block 400 knot 400 howler

i kinda like knot/prism

[ionic fern]

I'd do Knot/Rezans probably.

[edgy patrol]

Is Engineering helm BiS for Prot?

[distant crystal]

oh actually 405 knot

but yeah, knot seems super good for dps

and i guess rezan gives a little bit of dps and surv

[edgy patrol]

what is Knot?

[distant crystal]

i think sea-brawler's greathelm would be bis

[ionic fern]

I'm mostly running with Rezans/Animated blood.
Prism is kinda underwhelming..i tried it yesterday in a 19 WM

It piles up a ton over the course of the dungeon but the shield itself is ~7k per 7s

[distant crystal]

Knot of Ancient Fury, str with on-use crit 1min cd

@ionic fern wow mine did about the same healing as yours in a KR just now

but my IP's way less, much closer to the prism

[ionic fern]

Depends how much you cast it.

[distant crystal]

i guess a decent bit of the prism is gonna be converting healer's healing to overheal

[ionic fern]

I highly doubt that tbh...if you do high enough keys the 7k shield is going to be eaten off in 1 melee.

[distant crystal]

i'm doing mostly 15/16

[ionic fern]

In less than a second.

😂

[rustic zodiac]

I want to craft an item since I have mats, but can't decide if I should craft an engineering helm or alchemy trinket, what do u guys think?

[ionic fern]

What other helmets you got?

[rustic zodiac]

I'm currently using H jadefire helm and I have 415 Helm of the raptor king

btw I'm tanking lvl 10-14 keystones

and I have howlers 385 and rezan 410

[distant crystal]

engi helm has bastion or?

[ionic fern]

I'd probably make the trinket and replace Howlers with it.
You get Either BoM/Treacherous or DC/Bloodsport with your current azerites

[distant crystal]

oh it's deafening/brace right

i've had pretty silly luck on random azerite 😮 415 BoM/deaf shoulders + helm

just need the champion chest and i'm set

[ionic fern]

😂

[rustic zodiac]

I was thinking on stacking those DC

but I took some defensive options

[undone sun]

🤣

[ionic fern]

Jeah, only stack DC if you want to go full on offensive on AoE since the 2 other stacks of it won't benefit you defensively.

[distant crystal]

reaping in pugs raises some eyebrows :p

"is my details broken or is the tank top dps?"

[ionic fern]

People should be used to that by now. 😂

[rustic zodiac]

Avatar + 3 BoM ugh sweet dps

[distant crystal]

combos nicely

[boreal crag]

Use this for dps

[distant crystal]

oh btw i've seen some prots with Overwhelming Power on rio

seems like that would be pretty trash for tanks no? wouldn't the stacks get ate up super quick on any aoe packs?

[outer dew]

there's an internal counter

[distant crystal]

ahh

treach on a tank 😆

last stand becomes a dps cooldown

[rustic zodiac]

wait u can use Reckles fury?

[undone sun]

yes

[ionic fern]

I use a combo similar to that for ST dps in raids Vector. 😂

[undone sun]

increases auto attack damage

[boreal crag]

flurry is 2x the dmg of DC

[rustic zodiac]

omg

[boreal crag]

that's how you parse

[undone sun]

on ST sure

[ionic fern]

^

[boreal crag]

TC is good for both AOE and ST

[ionic fern]

Depends on how much you dip low.

[rustic zodiac]

Iron fortress can be stacked right?

[ionic fern]

Yes

[vagrant talon]

is the engineering helm any good? I have a 400 opulence helm right now and can craft a 415 next tuesday

[outer dew]

if your goal is to clap

the helmet is pretty strong

[ocean acorn]

any one that logs m+?

[ionic fern]

<-

[ocean acorn]

why arent my logs showing up an instance

like as seperate dungeons

just says all trash

[ionic fern]

What's the duration?

[ocean acorn]

alot of time

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LArpbf3n2HKDQwdM

[ionic fern]

o.o

Does fine for me.

[ocean acorn]

was it as slit log?

split*

[ionic fern]

No.

[ocean acorn]

or just upload

[ionic fern]

Live logging.

From the go

Maybe it has something to do with you logging raid and then m+ straight after? Not sure.

[ocean acorn]

hmm

[ionic fern]

I usually cancel my live log after raid and then start a new one for m+

[sand relic]

does any 1 have strings for method alt manager for all dungeons

for perfect percent

im not sure where to find the string to import them

[ionic fern]

You can check from here

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

And get some inspiration.

[real sparrow]

when should i take never surrender over bolster for m+?

[ionic fern]

Never.

[undone sun]

never

[real sparrow]

So Glick likes to just be unique?

[undone sun]

who

[ionic fern]

🤷

[distant crystal]

bolster is so good i can't imagine ever not using it

i guess if you're trying to duel a mage or something

[real sparrow]

Thats what i thought but like mr 20+ prot warrior tank chooses never surrender in most of his runs

so was just curious

[ionic fern]

Most of his runs?

Where's the source for that? o.o

[distant crystal]

link?

[real sparrow]

idk if hes memeing but glickz_ is streaming on twitch atm running surrender

[ocean acorn]

are u using an addon

to upload @ionic fern

[real sparrow]

Basically he says youd be suprised how much magic damage you take in runs

[ionic fern]

I use autolog and then the default warcraftlog uploader.

[distant crystal]

i mean yeah magic dmg sucks but bolster is so damned good

[undone sun]

hmmm

[ionic fern]

Siege last boss i guess the debuff..+ poisons on a +22? 🤔

[undone sun]

loads of magic damage does not equal higher viability of NS

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic fern]

Still wouldn't pick it. 🤷

[real sparrow]

judging by his ui i think he gets asked alot haha

[ionic fern]

If i'd see some logs we could actually see how much the difference is.

[distant crystal]

if you could use tomes in keys i'd prob turn it on in some spots :p

lookin at you Zul

[undone sun]

all that ui and still can't see what traits he has

smh

[real sparrow]

Yeah ive seen nerfclap jump outta motherlode this week for 3rd boss

[ionic fern]

Even in WM the magic damage % is pretty low

But..🤷 Maybe he knows something we don't.

[ocean acorn]

may be my addon

[real sparrow]

Last few runs hes been running it but most of the other timed runs are using bolster

[ocean acorn]

thanks @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Testing purposes could be a answer.

[real sparrow]

Yeah potentially i guess. Also another question would yall go siphoning over quick nav for dungeons?

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys, wouldn't https://www.wowhead.com/item=166551 technically be better than https://www.wowhead.com/item=165555/ assuming both are iLvl 400? Not sure why the IcyVeins guide says otherwise.

everything is the same except the inner ring on Deathguard's has better traits

[edgy patrol]

Bastion of Might or Brace for Impact?

[ionic fern]

No DC on Shoulderplates.

Probably Bom. Especially for m+

[outer dew]

Any math fans?

[undone sun]

how about math rock?

[ionic fern]

@real sparrow not me personally.
Also, lucky for us he does log m+
This is SoB +21 with Bolstering vs Never surrender

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern yeah, but DC is on chest per the guide

[outer dew]

https://youtu.be/YcaMJ48iLnA

This shit got me fucned up at the end

Lmao

Using legion cinematics

[real sparrow]

fairly close to one another

i think ill just stick with bolstering haha

[edgy patrol]

Bastion of Might or Brace for Impact?

[ionic fern]

BoM @edgy patrol

[edgy patrol]

@ionic fern and you want to stack BoM?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[undone sun]

#268491842637660160

[edgy patrol]

I saw that, but Icy seems super dated from what everyone is talking about in here

[wise mirage]

wish I had 1 dc

sadly I scrapped the chest from the first boss for titan residium

before I knew that it had dc

[distant crystal]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/restoration/characters

unscrap it

ez clap

might need to change us to eu in that URL tho :p

[undone sun]

i was more referring to https://i.imgur.com/aBhtVOh.png

[rustic zodiac]

would u guys suggest going for more versatility than mastery for WM and SotS?

maybe not that much on sots

[ionic fern]

Not really..no.

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern for M+ would you go with Intimidating Presence or Bulwark of the Masses? They both seem aimed at M+

[ionic fern]

They are both underwhelming but i'd take Masses.

[sick sentinel]

ah damn, sounded decent, thank you

[ionic fern]

Most of the time you use Intimidating Shout as a AoE interrupt anyways.

[rustic zodiac]

Im afraid of using Intimidating shout

[ionic fern]

Why? It gets broken really fast in AoE situations.

[rustic zodiac]

idk but yeah I should use it

[distant crystal]

it's awesome

[ionic fern]

Jeah, you definetly should use it. 😄

[distant crystal]

shockwave, pummel, intim, spell reflect

so many "kicks"

[rustic zodiac]

ohh I have one more question before work

is there a way to avoid berserker bleeds from kr?

[distant crystal]

be dwarf

:p

[rustic zodiac]

damn

[ionic fern]

Or if you have a pet class try to let the pet be closest to the berserker.

E.g warlocks/hunters/mages

[rustic zodiac]

thats what we were doing

[distant crystal]

damn didn't know it was proximity

[ionic fern]

Jeap, goes on the closest target.

[distant crystal]

my ret pally asked me if i had the cancelaura bop macro right before that 2pack

then i pull it and ask for bop and he goes "oh it's down"

dead to 3stack lol

[severe pond]

You can parry too

[zinc vessel]

loool just stack crit and get lucky xd

[distant crystal]

so knot + butcherblock for KR

got it

[ionic fern]

Throw Ravager in there as well and you're good to go. Just a joke

[undone sun]

hmmmmmm

[ionic fern]

Just in case.

[undone sun]

😉

[ionic fern]

What happened to your spinny avatar btw?

[open field]

I saw a guy in a heroic pug playing with devastater is that a thing?

He told me to keep up with the meta and I just said sure buddy

[ionic fern]

On pure ST Devastator can pull ahead of BV.

[open field]

Pure st you say

But even in the raid it’s not good enough right

[cursive dune]

does anybody have time to check out my log ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4dDhyg6Xc7GbmYvJ/

[ionic fern]

I used Devastator on Grong for example.

[cursive dune]

not having wowanalyzer is kinda hard

[ionic fern]

And others as well.

Boost used BV since he was clapping on adds.

[crisp pecan]

i use devastator all time, my finger hurts on spamming devastate

[open field]

Is it a dmg only thing or does it help you live better?

[crisp pecan]

eben on m+

[ionic fern]

Mostly damage.

[crisp pecan]

but might switch next week to booming voice

as teeming reapingwaves

[open field]

Interesting

[ionic fern]

What's your concern regarding the logs Nemda?

[cursive dune]

well i am fairly new to prot

[ionic fern]

DPS? Survivability?

[cursive dune]

been playing with BrM for a longtime

and I think i have issues with mitigation

[ionic fern]

Any boss fight specifically?

[cursive dune]

not really

you could check JFM

[ionic fern]

Well for one thing..you got Bolster talented so there's no need to use SB with Last stand

You also did not use Shield Wall..not that you needed it on that fight since you only dipped low at one point where you took some unmitigated melees.

[cursive dune]

yea that is the problem

I am so used to having %100 uptime on my mitigation

not having shield block is

kinda itchiy 😄

if you know what i mean

it feels like i need to push something but it s on cooldown

[ionic fern]

You could also have squeezed in another Avatar since there was almost a 2 minutes break in between casts o.o

[crisp pecan]

guys, invi is breaking when you use demonic gateway during that?

[cursive dune]

I guess that was the maze parth

part

[ionic fern]

You pretty much use Last Stand with bolster to cover gaps in between SB CD.

[cursive dune]

got it don't use Last stand with SB

I guess i will make a WA for that to remind me

[ionic fern]

You can also clap the wall. 🤷

[cursive dune]

I thought I could save it and use it with bl

[ionic fern]

This is my avatar casts for example

[cursive dune]

afterwards

[cursive dune]

for JFM?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

You can get it down to roughly 45-50s CD with AM.

[cursive dune]

my last avatar is wasted

[ionic fern]

Also @crisp pecan i'm not 100% sure but more than likely yes since it's coded as a "action"

[cursive dune]

like you said i could move it back

[crisp pecan]

Guys, do stealth break when you use demonic gateway?

ahh

soz

repeated lol

[cursive dune]

@ionic fern thanks.

can you say anything on the DPS side?

[ionic fern]

Also your SR are weird.

There's a bug (Not sure if it's still there) that when you SR one of the fire guys casts then it will deal dmg to your raid instead after it goes off.

[cursive dune]

I was experimenting with it lol

I'm not sure when to use SR

I got the WA for that

but it doesn't seem to work

[ionic fern]

I usually SR for just the damage reduction component after we taunt swap with the co-tank cause
1)You have the highest stacks of the debuff ticking on you
2)You have another source of income from the melees from the monk.

From pure DPS side it's avatar usage and pairing SS with SB

[cursive dune]

What do you mean by that

Should i do more ss?

[ionic fern]

Shield Slam deals more damage if you have Shield Block up.

[cursive dune]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-joey-friends-gif-7187491

I did not know that

🤦

[ionic fern]

YOu live you learn.

😄

[cursive dune]

yeah

[cursive dune]

will get more gear this week and go try it out on next weeks normal clear

[undone sun]

[wise mirage]

whats the aoe rotation for prot?

clap revenge?

clap slam?

[ionic fern]

Depends on the number of targets.

If more than 3 then Clap->Revenge.

[wise mirage]

👏 sounds so weird

[ionic fern]

3 or more *

On 2 targets you can Clap->SS

Especially if you have BfI traits. But even without SS should deal more damage than revenge on 2 targets.

[wise mirage]

Bonded souls any good

for tank?

[ionic fern]

Defense wise, sure.

[wise mirage]

I have the deathbound chest

and it either has Bloodsport or Souls

and Brace or Revenge one

[ionic fern]

I'd take Brace + Bloodsports tbh. 🤷

[wise mirage]

alright

thx

I sadly have 0 DC

:/

[ionic fern]

Try to get a piece with it then, the first one is a big DPS/Survivability increase.

[wise mirage]

I either have 415 with BS / Bastion / heed

or 400 with DC / Bastion / heed

isnt 15 ilvl better tho?

[ionic fern]

This is purely feelycrafting right now since i'm at work but i'd use the DC/Bastion/heed one.

[wise mirage]

and last but not least

[sick sentinel]

thing is

if you op in doing clap revenge you will get more upfont damage

[wise mirage]

400 Rezan / 400 Anchor / 405 Vial / 405 Sporepod / 400 Engine

[sick sentinel]

if you clap slam then you generate more rage

so you get more avatars

in the duration of the dungeon

but make sure to revenge once at least once to spread deep wounds to everything

[wise mirage]

what trinkets should I use?

Engine seems good with avatar

but I hear rezans is really good aswell

[ionic fern]

Yeah Kaege..but even if you TC->Revenge you will not be rage starved so you'll still make good use out of the AM. But talking purely from getting max rage out then jeah SS.

I'd use Rezans+Animated for AoE ..you can get Animated blood to pair with Avatar for maximum clappage.

[sick sentinel]

I personally opt in for clap revenge yeah

[ionic fern]

Tho i've heard that Anchor is pretty good also..don't have one so can't test it.

[sick sentinel]

a full stacked 400 anchor is 360 dps per target

but you need 10 GCDs for it to fully stack

[modest wedge]

id rather take a trinker that gives stats than only damage. stats help you survive better also

[ionic fern]

If survival is a issue then sure i guess.

[sick sentinel]

I agree with rezan's vial

more survival=less IP=more revenge tho

I like vial over engine because vial is strong and trickles down whereas engine ramps up

by the time engine ramps up, most things can be dead

when you press vial at the beginning of avatar

everything is alive

[wintry ermine]

rastakhan mythic, any pointers for the bwonsamdi swap? most of our tries last time the timing of the healing debuff was terrible (hit the tank with a shitload of stacks)

prot warrior and monk

[ionic fern]

You have to swap faster. 🤷

We got it down to the new tank getting the debuff.

[wintry ermine]

does bwonsamdi move in your swap?

[ionic fern]

A bit jeah.

[wintry ermine]

ok, thats what I thought

tanking him at stairs or to the side?

[ionic fern]

We tanked him at the stairs.

And Rasta near the door.

[wintry ermine]

yeah we're doing that

[ionic fern]

Warlock portals also help with the swap.

[wintry ermine]

people are just really close and if bownsamdi moves too much it would suck

[ionic fern]

As a monk he can transendence+roll..as a warrior you can Leap+Intervene.

[wintry ermine]

you taunt immediately in range right?

[ionic fern]

Jeah, pretty much.

[wintry ermine]

k, I'll do that tonight

[ionic fern]

The only ones who need to be close to the ring are like one or two healers so they can dip in/out to heal the tank.

The ranged DPS'ers can be further away.

[wintry ermine]

did that for a few tries myself, but my co-tank couldn't get it as quickly

[ionic fern]

Just replace him with a paladin and let him solo tank.

[wintry ermine]

and we we're always pretty scared of moving him too much

hahaha, we're just casuals, not going to ask people to swap classes 😄

[ionic fern]

The general idea is..
You get the fire on you from Rasta you insta jump/roll to Bwonsamdi while the other tank will start moving when you're like almost there since Rasta is still casting his stuff aka standing still.

So you won't move Bwonsamdi that much.

[wintry ermine]

yeah, I'll tell the raid to stand closer to the walls just to be safe

[ionic fern]

Jeap. Get that down and p3 is a breeze..got him down first time we reached p3. 😂

[wintry ermine]

haha, we got him to p3 once, but we fucked up the portal placement 😄

and people dipped into one portal, all at the same time, killed everyone outside instantly

[wise mirage]

damn

prot warrior is sick

[crisp pecan]

this fury islike 390 ilvl?

is like*

[wise mirage]

nah 400 but yea

was just a 10

to help s1

[crisp pecan]

ah

ye

i just masterminded my tomorrow's shrine 15 run

[wise mirage]

got a 17 temple in bag

but probably not going to do it

I hate temple

[crisp pecan]

temple, bleh

[old zephyr]

Could be shrine

Temple is pretty cool

[ionic fern]

Temple is fairly easy this week jeah

Bursting isn't a thing since most pulls are small enough except for the 2nd boss room . 😂

[old zephyr]

Even there It's quite easy to not blow them up all at once

[strong forum]

@ionic fern theSR thingy on jadefire masters has been fixed couple weeks back

You can just straight reflect fireball and it doesn't do shit anymore

@wintry ermine we killed rasta in 11 pulls yesterday, typically at bwonsamdi swap I had 44-45 stacks of the debuff, just call for an external

[wintry ermine]

@strong forum we were calling for externals, sometimes it just lined up that the healing immunity hit the 44-45 stack tank.

[strong forum]

Well that's just 2seconds too late taunt

Tank swap earlier then

[wintry ermine]

well, yeah, not sure if you're trying to sound like a dick by not reading the conversation above.

[ionic fern]

😂

[strong forum]

Well im at work, can't read too much

If its been said then im sorry

[wintry ermine]

Alright, no worries, thanks!

[orchid frigate]

can i tank kimbul without tank switch if i have dwarf racials?

[ionic fern]

Probably jeah, depending on how long they take to kill the other.

Why would you keep Kimbul alive tho?

[orchid frigate]

not planning to 😃

[ionic fern]

Oh, you mean just keep kimbul on you for the entire duration?

[orchid frigate]

yeah

[ionic fern]

Should be do-able..he gets like what..5 casts out depending on your DPS.

So you can do 3 Dispell->2

[wintry ermine]

should only get about 4 if you kill him in first paku

[strong forum]

Ye you can

I get to 3, racial, and then kill before 2nd bleed afterwards

[lime mantle]

As a general rule at 390-400ilvl how much dps should I be at ? As in a general ballpark.

[orchid frigate]

kk maybe i'll go on my orc then

thanks guys!

[ionic fern]

Orc? 🤔

[strong forum]

8-10K ST 15-18k overall dps in m+ @lime mantle

[orchid frigate]

they become dwarves

[ionic fern]

Not for Conclave.

[orchid frigate]

😒

[ionic fern]

Wait, do they? Never played horde.

😂

[lime mantle]

@strong forum thanks! I am sorely under performing then.
& sorry for the interruption!

[orchid frigate]

yeah they do, mwahi 😃

[ionic fern]

Jeah, they do.

😂

My bad

[orchid frigate]

no worries

[rustic owl]

hey guys, started tanking recently and sort have gotten to grips with it well enough. trying to get my shield block uptime higher but im struggling with lack of rage and trying to use general rotation of shield slam, thunder clap, revenge often. I have recently stopped using devastate but in the big scheme of things its not making a huge difference to my uptime in other spells

[narrow abyss]

You’re revenging too often

Is probably most likely culprit

Only when it’s free

[proud isle]

Yup

[narrow abyss]

If you’re doing big dick pull with avatar or reaping you can revenge and alternate with TC more liberally

But most other times only when you get free proc and your rage will feel better

[rustic owl]

Ok, I noticed from looking at logs some tanks don’t use devastate at all, is that cus they’ve got enough rage pooled ? Cus I’ve had situations where everything’s on cd and I’ve just used it

[ionic fern]

Hard to believe that they haven't used it at all (0 casts) unless they got Devastator talent in which case it replaces the skill.

[rustic owl]

I mean I might be wrong, it’s just from having a gander at wowlogs and seeing their casts

[narrow abyss]

Devastate is like the most filler of fillers. It doesn’t even generate rage I don’t think. But even then you find yourself using it to fill GCDs. It can still proc shield slam I think

[brisk ferry]

the only reason we use it is to proc shield slam

[ionic fern]

Yes, the biggest thing about Devastate is that it can proc SS.

[rustic owl]

Ok brill cheers guys, if I were to throw some logs in here at some point for critique would that be ok?

[narrow abyss]

In #449510248579858432 yea. I’m personally awful with WCL but km sure some people will take a look

[rustic owl]

Ok thanks 👍

[narrow abyss]

👍

[indigo panther]

Has there been any testing done on the Zandalari Racials somwhere? Specifically for tanks

[narrow abyss]

Curious about this as wel

[eager hedge]

Racial looks cool for m+ tbh

[willow scarab]

I find with high enough haste you’re almost never casting devastate @rustic owl I very very sparingly use it and on the few times I do I find myself thinking that if I waited half a global instead of using devastate I would have put out more overall damage

[sick sentinel]

I don't understand how higher haste makes you devastate less

[willow scarab]

More thunderclaps and shield slams

[old zephyr]

I have a lot of haste and I cast a lot of devastate

[lucid bough]

the amout of bad advice here

[sick sentinel]

Since all CDs and GCDs scale down equally

[lucid bough]

ouch

devastate can reset ss to..

[willow scarab]

I’m looking at my logs now and I think I must be playing on autopilot because I don’t remember casting 86 devastates in a 9 minute opulence kill

I’m sorry that was so stupid of me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6fYkRJrgTwBaC8vZ#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=4

This is rank 1

[eager hedge]

Regarding devastate. I find myself using it quite a bit, even with 1700 haste rating and into the fray.

[sick sentinel]

The only stat that can potentially make you devastate less is crit of all things

[old zephyr]

Devastate does not seem very impactfull so you don't really notice when you press it, but you do press it quite a lot 😃

[sick sentinel]

Since you parry more and you cast more revenges for free

[willow scarab]

More haste means more spells to cast that aren’t devastate and more rage for spells that aren’t devastate

It’s only for when everything is on CD for more than .5 seconds

[lucid bough]

15 deaths

not bashing your guild

[willow scarab]

Oh I know

[lucid bough]

but almost the worst kill

[willow scarab]

I got lucky with that

[lucid bough]

on logs

ya

[ionic fern]

Man..you have such a good kill time..we always kill it right before the 3rd set comes out.

[lucid bough]

alright xD

[ionic fern]

😂

[willow scarab]

3 sets off adds and only me left to hit them?

Boss dies during the end of 3rd adds?

We all know I got lucky but I still did it ☺️

[crisp pecan]

guys, is engi helmet any good for prot?

[sick sentinel]

It's huge

Gismo is great

[narrow abyss]

Yup

[crisp pecan]

i have opulence crown as well

[narrow abyss]

Only tradeoff is you won’t get 3x BOM

But I like it

The auto cauterizer is nice for KR too

And apparently grievous

[sick sentinel]

Gizmo gives around the same overall damage as a BoM

A bit less but like

Just a bit

[old zephyr]

but the haste though

[modest wedge]

but the occasional speed and haste is bis

[old zephyr]

gottagofast

[modest wedge]

i would never go 3 bom

2 bom + rng

[sick sentinel]

Ah the good ol cowards way out

[old zephyr]

haste RNG + rezan+ enchant + lust is WOOOOOO level of haste

warrior don't coward way out ever

[sick sentinel]

Let's be real, the chances they all line up is a miracle

[old zephyr]

we heroicly leap away from danger

not that much actually

happens quite offen

[sick sentinel]

Rezan+enchant don't line up as often as u think

[old zephyr]

but it fucks with the CDs and GCDs

[sick sentinel]

U might get it where one procs a few seconds before the other ends

Which is what will happen a majority of the time

[old zephyr]

as long as I have 10+ secs of 140% haste I'm happy

[sick sentinel]

The miracle is

When they happen back to back

[old zephyr]

but i'd rather have 30secs of 100% yeah

[sick sentinel]

Fuck that the miracle is back to back crit block

Or a str proc with a haste proc

[old zephyr]

60% party

[willow scarab]

The miracle is getting a 400+ rezans before next tier starts

[old zephyr]

I got a 400, pretty happy with that

[sick sentinel]

My 400+s+leech rezans greets you

Do more atal

[willow scarab]

How many times do I have to get every other available trinket except vial and rezans

I do so many

[narrow abyss]

Haha then when u do

New tier

[sick sentinel]

Not enough

[narrow abyss]

Time to farm it again

[willow scarab]

415 butchers block with socket is nice but it’s no rezan

[torn gust]

How good is howler for us?

[sick sentinel]

It's kinda shit

Imo

[torn gust]

got a 405 yday, but don't think it's better than a 410 socket block or a 425 opulence :p

[narrow abyss]

I personally hate it

[willow scarab]

Howler is bin

[sick sentinel]

Howler over gore block for raids

[torn gust]

Yh i don't raid as tank, fuck that

[sick sentinel]

Gore block over howler for mplus

[narrow abyss]

Been enjoying raid tanking not gonna lie. First time since vanilla

😂

[sick sentinel]

Howlers is good if u have dps that need vers as a main stat

Which I think is none

Lol

You mean

Dhs

Ww monks

Outlaw rogues

DH don't use vers, that's haste

Well that's where you are wrong

They itemise out of haste

[narrow abyss]

Vers is good for DH

[sick sentinel]

If they use furious gaze x2

Which is the optimal build

Eh I wouldn't trust a person who's blind to know what they need

They go vers crit and avoid mastery like the plague while preferring to have the least amount of haste possible

Also when have a seen a outlaw rogue, as good as they are, I've yet to meet this outlaw rogue u speak of

I've seen more sub rogues then outlaw

It's like demo lock , they use EP so they itemise out of haste

Well not anymore lol

Outlaw rogues are the only rogues around on every dungeon that is not KR

[crisp pecan]

in 2 weeks demo is done

[sick sentinel]

^

And I wish u we're telling the truth

Yet to get an outlaw rogue

At this moment I am questioning what keys you're going rage

[crisp pecan]

next week going to be prot dream

teemin is like a blessing

[sick sentinel]

Outlaw dream*

[crisp pecan]

• outlol as well ye

[sick sentinel]

And there is no "keys" I don't do

I do m+

...

[crisp pecan]

i miss focking shrine 15 to get achiev

[old zephyr]

What level

[crisp pecan]

but i mastered my stargety

[brisk ferry]

I've had an Outlaw in every single key I've doen for the past 3 weeks

[crisp pecan]

strategy*

[sick sentinel]

15+

Shrine is free this week wtf

Shrine is not free the fuck are u smoking

[crisp pecan]

lol no, only 1.5% runs are shrine out of which 14% in time ;ddd

[old zephyr]

Shrine is aids

Every weeks

[crisp pecan]

shrine = hard cancer

[sick sentinel]

They just don't know the route

Shrine is BARELY free

[primal crypt]

Im gonna have to agree

Shrine is pretty free

[crisp pecan]

i got a great plan to win it this week

there are few principles

[sick sentinel]

Well not free but 15 is easy

Define easy

[crisp pecan]

1. do not kill all blobs, 2. skip elemental 3. shorud bridge = win.

[sick sentinel]

I timed a 15 at 2am drunk with random guild guys with 4 mins remaining

That doesn't sound free nor easy

[heavy chasm]

Shrine isnt bad if you dont bring dps that either dont Los or can interrupt all the caster reaping

[oblique garnet]

15 shrine is still pretty free

[heavy chasm]

Otherwise your in for a bad time

[oblique garnet]

Anything above it needs focus

[crisp pecan]

well, if you execuyte well, reaping areas are always los'able

[sick sentinel]

With a mw monk

If we had a resto druid we could have 2 chested it I feel

I mean it's a mw

Also healer was dispelling whispers

Not a priest

If we are talking bad healers, mw ain't it

Resto druids is legit broken for bursting

[lucid bough]

tbh this week meleeing as healer on last boss

[sick sentinel]

Resto druids are broken

Ftfy

[lucid bough]

can get you insta killed

[sick sentinel]

Mw monks are not even close to that

[oblique garnet]

Mw monks are kinda eh for shrine anyways

Not so good on last boss

[sick sentinel]

I am feeling I should start streaming

Let's be real resto druids are the bdk of healers

@oblique garnet you are 9 score ahead of me

[oblique garnet]

Nice

[sick sentinel]

My group scuffed my 18 ur

On 3rd boss

[oblique garnet]

I didnt do any high keys yesterday

[sick sentinel]

Of all things

[oblique garnet]

Resto shamans are the real sleeper op healers

[sick sentinel]

And people died to fire in the atal 19

And we missed time by 30 sec

I feel like atal hinges on whether u have people die to fire or not

Well

It's more on if people die to spiders

As well

Yeah but that's a mechanic

[winter aspen]

Shrine easy btw

[sick sentinel]

We had both the rogue and the dh that was clearing spiders

Dying

Fire is just being fucking dumb

True

[winter aspen]

That dungeon is so overtuned on tyrannical compared to the others

[sick sentinel]

Also true

Hey man, spiders

[old zephyr]

I died to fire 3times in a row saturday, I felt so dumb

[sick sentinel]

We had 4 deaths on second boss tbh

How?

Me saying "don't interrupt" and people interrupting

Therefore tornadoes

Also, alcohol

[nova gale]

Been so unlucky with keys this week tbh. Only get shrine and kings rest after pushing my key up to 21 agaib

[sick sentinel]

It was 2am after a raid

[lucid bough]

U need to kick

even if procs

tornados

[sick sentinel]

If you are in the green

[lucid bough]

u can dodge tornados

he

he..

[sick sentinel]

You dont interrupt

[lucid bough]

doesnt work like that

u dont have green

when the boss buff is up

[sick sentinel]

You do

First green

[oblique garnet]

You dont spawn tornadoes if you dont kick it

[willow scarab]

How are you guys handling 20~ shrines

Specifically second boss kicks

[sick sentinel]

Me-dh-rogue

[nova gale]

Just kick everything

[sick sentinel]

You cam kick all

[nova gale]

Is what we do

[willow scarab]

You don't get overrun by tornadoes?

[oblique garnet]

Spellreflect kick etc

[willow scarab]

i run ele/rogue/dh

[nova gale]

Nah never been a problem

[oblique garnet]

You lust the 2nd boss usually anyways

[willow scarab]

yeah of course

[hollow thorn]

Late are u not gonna catchup to my score soon?

[sick sentinel]

You can let 2 casts go though, not back to back but you can

[oblique garnet]

Probably today if were doing keys deattu

[hollow thorn]

I want 2.2k this week

[willow scarab]

I know from past weeks I always end up getting overrun

This is the week to get it

[hollow thorn]

18 ML in time just now, 19 Waycrest next

[oblique garnet]

Nice

[willow scarab]

goodluck in waycrest

[oblique garnet]

We still have the 20 fh

[nova gale]

Just need to move the boss around the room

[willow scarab]

we got right bottom side on 20WCM and wiped on sisters after being on track for timer

sisters is something else this week

[hollow thorn]

Idk

i did 19 earlier this week

and it felt like a joke

with spell reflect dmg

[oblique garnet]

You cant miss a single spell reflect on sisters and its free

Also we did 18 wcm treeboi without any resets

[sick sentinel]

I reset when he is at half health

[narrow abyss]

How many stacks u get to

[sick sentinel]

With darkness and rally and tranq

[oblique garnet]

55 or so

[primal crypt]

61~

[willow scarab]

I reset at 25-30 stacks on the tree for safety

I didn't miss a reflect either on sisters, it was impossible to heal

[sick sentinel]

I do only when my last button left is sw

[willow scarab]

did you run a resto druid?

[narrow abyss]

Haha my dps must be alittle eh. Boss on 17 had like 30-40% health at 55. Had to put it in fire...which disappeared in my face

[oblique garnet]

Resto shammy

[willow scarab]

on lower and non tyr weeks i don't reset

[sick sentinel]

Late runs a resto shama

[oblique garnet]

Puzzle did you bl the boss?

[willow scarab]

our monk just couldn't get through the second sister

[sick sentinel]

Wait you bl groot?

[narrow abyss]

Nah we usually don’t. That’s what I’m wondering when everyone talks about 100-0 at 55 stacks

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you dont need the bl for the piggy

[sick sentinel]

We bl sisters, pig and last

I do groot 3rd

[lucid bough]

kinda depends

on the route tbh

[oblique garnet]

We used bl on sisters groot and lady

[sick sentinel]

Whatever door is up

[oblique garnet]

Last is a joke anyways

[narrow abyss]

I mean it’s door dependent. But groot is reliably our second boss so we usually don’t have BL for it

[sick sentinel]

Lady?

[willow scarab]

if you've got bottom right wouldn't you pull whole room los and lust that

instead of pig boss

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

That's an option yeah

[willow scarab]

pig lust feels so wastful

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[willow scarab]

and the early lust lets you get more in

[sick sentinel]

It just takes solong

[oblique garnet]

It dies pretty fast

[narrow abyss]

Maybe if door allows witch first can trigger third reaping and wait to BL groot then kill pig

[oblique garnet]

Even without lust

[willow scarab]

i'm so cut that we lost the 20 wcm after hearing you all live through it

[oblique garnet]

As long as you rotate personals etc on jagged neticles you should be fine on sisters

[willow scarab]

our healer was researching it and the only way people were doing it was pre hotting and a balefire tranq

but now i hear your shaman did it?

[sick sentinel]

Do you know what I love?

[oblique garnet]

Shamans are sleeper op

[sick sentinel]

This

[willow scarab]

you can time a 19 kr this week

[oblique garnet]

They do the same amount of damage as dps

[hollow thorn]

I just pug for the most part now

So i cant dps

2 Keys left for tank score

[willow scarab]

that's a big call

especially when i have an ele

you also lose 5% melee buff from not ahving monk

[sick sentinel]

You can time a 19 kr

It's just hard

Like

[oblique garnet]

Fumeiyo we also have a arms warrior

[sick sentinel]

We had 4 deaths and we missed the timer of 18 by 20 seconds

[lucid bough]

u can as 20 KR timed until now

20 runs timed as 19*

[willow scarab]

What's your comp and io @oblique garnet ?

[lucid bough]

like..

[sick sentinel]

2 of them was the healer

[willow scarab]

one of those timed runs is my group

[oblique garnet]

Prot warrior rshaman rogue arms and demowarlock and 2060 atm

[hollow thorn]

pepega comp

[willow scarab]

hmmmm

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[willow scarab]

we're prot/ele/rogue/dh/monk 2k for me up to 2.2k for rest of team

guess your healer is just a god

[oblique garnet]

Eh

He dies alot

To stupid things

[willow scarab]

cap totem dr shockwave and shadowfury

that's a low cc comp

[worldly cargo]

deafening

mt

[oblique garnet]

Yeah we dont have the most cc but we do allright

Probably gonna make some class changes for mdi tho

[sick sentinel]

You go storm bolt right?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[willow scarab]

stormbolt is too useful to not take

offers so much utility

[sick sentinel]

I run dh outlaw boomie tree

[torn gust]

Arms? Why arms :p just take fury for more overall dmg?

[sick sentinel]

So I go rumbling

[willow scarab]

that's less cc than my comp

[torn gust]

I run prot pala disc fury rog demo

or prot war hpala sp rog demo

[willow scarab]

you've got so much stun in that comp why have a shorter cd on a dr'd 1.5s stun?

[oblique garnet]

because the warrior cant play fury

[sick sentinel]

Monka

[willow scarab]

bolt also stops mobs running away and interrupts casts

[oblique garnet]

but idk

[torn gust]

Yikes fury is in such a good state atm for couple dungeons. Only thing they are't the greatest on is on reaping waves

[oblique garnet]

def stance is really good

[sick sentinel]

Warpaint btw

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[lucid bough]

@willow scarab did u timed a +19 kr?»

[willow scarab]

I had to go out with the misses so the sub tank did it

He does noticeably les damage than me

They timed it with 16s left so if you do big pumps you can make it with 30-60s

[silver tangle]

as a returning Player,i wanted to ask lf there is a guide for all mythic+ dungeon. Wanna know how to handle with different add groups and boss :)

[oblique garnet]

just blast everything

go in and never stop clapping

[silver tangle]

yikes