like, he was legit flustered
#protection
sick sentinel
before the got fucked in the ass
primal crypt
pressing all the buttons
stone cloud
Ya I dislike them
But like I said he either cheats and or I unno cause he handles it all fine
sick sentinel
what keys are you doing?
stone cloud
15’s
stone cloud
Sure
You can do 15’s with 4 priests and a Druid tank. Lol that wasn’t the question
Tbh the reason we don’t do higher is prob cause finding reliable dps that aren’t completely mongoloids is like impossible lmao
sick sentinel
I am pugging 17s
primal crypt
honestly that's all it is
sick sentinel
and 18s
stone cloud
Again the 10-15 “bracket” it’s pretty rare
And we don’t do a boat load of keys a week kinda thing
primal crypt
I feel you on that one
when you have to be selective on time and players
it does become tough
sick sentinel
I was low-key thinking of going time trials and trying ourselves there
stone cloud
And io is misleading at times
sick sentinel
and I talked about with my group and we learned that the boomkin that we have been running with the past 2 months is 13 years old
primal crypt
for the achievement
primal crypt
@sick sentinel LEL
narrow abyss
Really?
sick sentinel
yes dude
stone cloud
Like I’ve had Dh’s that are like 1500 + and barely do 20K overall
wicked ginkgo
Any noob can carry themselves to 1.2k np rn
narrow abyss
How’d he sound in comms??
sick sentinel
he sounds like any regular person
primal crypt
balls dropped
sick sentinel
like, I still low-key don't believe him
primal crypt
so he's gucci
narrow abyss
Didn’t know kids that young would actually pick up wow
Over like fortnite or apex or whatever the heck is out now
sick sentinel
@narrow abyss I was playing in vanilla
primal crypt
WoW is an old man's game
narrow abyss
Haha I was uhhh 17
primal crypt
Times were different
narrow abyss
But vanilla was hugely popular back then
primal crypt
games were different
narrow abyss
And culturally significant at some point or another. Everyone knew about it
warm plinth
Kids these days are insane. I've played with a number of kids that upon finding out their age I was like O_O
primal crypt
kids now get on mobile games and cry
warm plinth
It's just unusual to meet a kid on the internet that isn't affected by the generally kind of shit community online these days.
primal crypt
^
sick sentinel
and I wanted to be with adults
primal crypt
they will legit cry on comms
warm plinth
I mean, they're still kids.
sick sentinel
LOL
wicked ginkgo
I played wow as kid cause it was cool to fight things with a sword and cast magic let's be real
nimble hemlock
ok whats the best bet to get threat for larger grps or mobs with no trix/mds this week?
nimble hemlock
lol
primal crypt
boot soup hands
sick sentinel
but no, seriously, tell your dps to hold on 2-3 GCDs before they start going big dick
primal crypt
if you have a paladin
sick sentinel
try to doctor your pulls in a way that you get at avatar for most of them
sick sentinel
LOL
nimble hemlock
yep bop works real good for threat lol
primal crypt
the dps killed me in the first room
because they didn't stop dps
so I pulled all the globs in front of first boss
Consecrated and bubbles
bubbled
killed the whole group
feltspecialman
warm plinth
My wet dream is SR working to prevent bursting stacks.
primal crypt
oh bb
that would be amazing
my wet dream is the 5 cyclone strike reflect
every time
warm plinth
I had a brief moment where a bug or something happened in Legion. I thought that my Stoneform removed bursting. Got like 12 bursting stacks and somehow magically it went away on its own as the rest of the group died.
wicked ginkgo
I havent thought to try... can you reflect cyclone strike?
warm plinth
You can
wicked ginkgo
Good to know
If you block it will it still pass through and deal damage behind you?
wicked ginkgo
I'll test when I get home
primal crypt
Make sure you have someone else in there with you
it has to target them and not you
Although, last night we did a tempple
and when I went to reflect, all 5 strikes disappeared
not sure if I reflected, or bug
primal crypt
gg
good to know
you ever experience that visual bug late
where the strikes just disappear
it almost felt like they were even cast?
wicked ginkgo
How much damage did a 5 stack reflect deal?
warm plinth
Wow
wicked ginkgo
That's uh a lot lmfao
primal crypt
just a little bit a lot
Dont forget that rate of failure though
if your group allows a jolt to go through right before cyclone strike, the jolt will consume your SR and you will die
umbral forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wZ13Q7gktx6dqaDM/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=115
I manchilded and did my best to tank Pa'ku for the entire conclave fight on normal.
That was hilarious.
I died though ;_;
wicked ginkgo
Sounds risky but when it works it works lol
primal crypt
you will 100% see it in MDI
Jb and Nerfclap were in ToS testing it yesterday I believe
trying to perfect the distance needed for a reflect
the first team to full wipe from a mistimed reflect will cry so hard
wicked ginkgo
Seems like a sick play though. What other high damage reflects are there from bosses that I dont know about
primal crypt
Underrot first boss
The blood bolts
350k straight back to the boss
1 shots you if you miss the reflect/kick
feelsgood
Wracking Pain on Yazma (Last boss of Atal)
lavish oracle
The trio in Waycrest and Lord Waycrest's wasting strike too
primal crypt
Wasting Strike is a huge one I feel like
lavish oracle
Even trio's is like 12-15% of their health if you get 4 reflects off on tyrannical
Its nuts
wicked ginkgo
Clever thx boys
lavish oracle
Fuselighter on Valyrie is less reliable but does good damage
clear cradle
can you SR first boss of Freehold? his hand cannon?
sick sentinel
you can reflect motherlode 3rd boss the dot
lavish oracle
Chemical is a must reflect on tyrannical Motherlode
primal crypt
^
sick sentinel
^
sick sentinel
hmm i didnt know cyclone strike could be reflected
i should give it a try where i wont die 😄
sick sentinel
yeah i know i cant reflect if its on me i tried it start of xpac
but never tried if its on someone else
lavish oracle
I think you can only get the 20% DR on powder shot, right
wicked ginkgo
And you dont accidentally reflect an arc
primal crypt
Correct Azath
lavish oracle
Or can you reflect the whole shot?
sick sentinel
jolt is random cast and must be interrupted anyways
sick sentinel
you can intercept people when they get powder shot
primal crypt
^
sick sentinel
warriors have great utility for bosses actualy
primal crypt
Saves my rogs
sick sentinel
big hit abilities
warm plinth
Well, to be fair, the reflectable sheet did say it wasn't reflectable for a long time, so a lot of people likely didn't even try it.
primal crypt
Freehold I mean
lavish oracle
Aside from safefuard antics, are there any good uses for intervene other than eudora?
wicked ginkgo
You just guess which one might get powder shot?
warm plinth
Speaking of Cyclone Strike, not Powder Shot (to clarify)
wicked ginkgo
Nice
primal crypt
You also reflect, and waste it lol
sometimes
dont forget to rally
on one of the shots as well
early
to get it on CD
First and third boss in Shrine
good for reflect
oblique garnet
When it disperses the seablasts
primal crypt
Just the sea blasts
hushed cobalt
O the little mini's
primal crypt
yup
and you can reflect multiple at once sometimes
dependent on if they cast in unison
slender patrol
nice this is great ty
sick sentinel
you can reflect everything on shrine first boss
hushed cobalt
Maybe I'll try SR on the charge/dash for first boss in shrine. Knock the boss off the ledge and win
sick sentinel
knocback the dot and the sea blast
hollow thorn
Reflect on 3rd boss is pog
oblique garnet
@primal crypt timed a 19 ml into 20 fh
undone sun
siphoning.... for what spec
primal crypt
@oblique garnet we got 4 x 19 Siege and 1 x 18 Waycrest yesterday...
sick sentinel
19 siege
oblique garnet
waycrest is easy
primal crypt
that last boss
sick sentinel
yeah
primal crypt
the fastest we did
oblique garnet
the last boss aint too bad
primal crypt
6 min 14 sec
sick sentinel
nah it isnt bad it takes long and boring
oblique garnet
oooh you mean siege
sick sentinel
last boss on siege?
primal crypt
siege
sick sentinel
3 mins
primal crypt
on last boss
oblique garnet
yeah i thought you were talking wcm
primal crypt
oh nah
we have tons of time
going into the last boss
then one thing goes wrong
"guess I'll just afk"
sick sentinel
we had 5mins going into last boss
2 dps died we ressed
we lost dps
we missed it by 3mins
primal crypt
the second you fall behind on demo
sick sentinel
also the role play and such stuff before boss
vivid wave
is there a point i stop going haste
sick sentinel
except sockets and rings and trinkets go ilvl
primal crypt
none of them next to gripping
sick sentinel
with sockets and rings trinkets you should just consider it yourself
you never stop going haste
but haste is great
vivid wave
thanks
sick sentinel
ilvl>>>haste>>>>>>>everything else
wicked ginkgo
Haste is op
sick sentinel
only reason i hate siege last boss
i just cant stand that dungeon
i rather play KR high then siege
primal crypt
disclaimer: sarcasm We have a crit build that utilizes Ravager. 
sick sentinel
I like siege
ravager btw xd
50% party btw
i will try that i never picked up for 2 xpacs
undone sun
xd
sick sentinel
will join +2 and try it
sick sentinel
get like 6k str
primal crypt
still JK
restive pivot
Lol
primal crypt
I'm not trying to get in trouble
restive pivot
Is ravager really viable question incoming.
primal crypt
have to give out disclaimer
dense flame
wicked ginkgo
How much crit do I need for ravager to be viable btw Kappa
warm plinth
🤢
hollow thorn
120%
wicked ginkgo
Ok thx
daring marlin
yes
oblique nymph
Hey lovely folks, any advice dealing with reaping this week?
sand kettle
Try to save avatar for it this week
sick sentinel
In general use LoS and most importantly think about where you are killing packs to make the reap easier
oblique nymph
What do you mean, I've not really dealt with Reaping before (Fresh to +10 in bfa) - Do the adds spawn where you kill the mobs?
slate pilot
Yes, they spawn where they were killed. So trying to kill mobs in a centered area will save you some time
oblique nymph
Fair.
sick sentinel
slate pilot
Cheers
sick sentinel
There isn't really a consensus as to what the absolute best trait setup is, but as a general rule 1xDC and as many BoM's as you can find is a good starting point
marble wave
Bomnis not rly so good for new pwars
Rage managment + avatar management on packs
Surv traits in pugs works better i think
If u party have no issuese with dps, in lower keys
Something like iron fortress etc
analog swift
I’d say grab the engineering helm. The brez will save your ass too. Then grab mythic champions chest and random roll shoulders
3x415 2xBoM (and engineering traits are great) potentially 3x dc or 1 IF/bs easy
marble wave
3xdc rly worth it?
analog swift
Not really
The extra damage isn’t not super helpful and the dps overall didn’t seem to change for me either
analog swift
Yeah
I mean damage is still damage and I tried it for a few dungeons but the dps gain honestly isn’t that big
marble wave
If u fast farm 10 keys, but higher the key better the drop. Not worth it to run 10 if u can 15+
sick sentinel
you don't get as much DPS value out of your 2nd and 3rd DC's, but it's still a very good DPS trait to stack for AoE DPS in m+
zealous ore
@rancid tinsel 
rancid tinsel
will do
marble wave
At least if u r good with cd managment stacks bom is awesome ;)
Next 10+ affix will be terrible
sick sentinel
That's not how trait stacking works, as a general rule you lose something when stacking multiple of the same trait
that isn't always the case by any means
but in the case of DC, your survivability isn't increased, the extended demo only applies on your first trait
oblique garnet
@primal crypt
spark mortar
So what are the trinkets everyone swears by these days in raid?
sick sentinel
opulence trinket and rezans is the best IMO
maybe Jes' howler for raids only
over the rezans btw
i use rezan and jes for m+
opulence is good for progress i think but i dont need survival
gray shell
Which setup would you use for raids, (1x DC, 2x IF, 3X BFI) or (1x DC, 1x IF, 2X BOM, 2x BFI)
sick sentinel
2x BOM
stacking bfi is good for raids but I would rather use bloodsport over IF
oh for raids
bfi setup is better
i thought of m+
gray shell
For M+ I figured hunting for a 1x DC, 3x BOM, 2x IF would be good, per what I see ya'll recommending
sick sentinel
it's 2.5% leech
sick sentinel
oh my god
outer dew
but specifically for freaping
sick sentinel
I am actually going to get triggered
outer dew
MY HPS SKYROCKETS
sick sentinel
HPS IN REAPING DOES NOT MATTER
daring marlin
who cares
sick sentinel
not 2.5k HPS
outer dew
ez life
sick sentinel
your healer can potentially do 40k hps
marble cipher
You get a million Victory rushes though 🤷
sick sentinel
I would rather have deadly nav than siphoning
sick sentinel
any nav>siphoning
karmic whale
spell reflect first boss in temple , anyone knows how it works ? is it only when he casts cyclone strike on u
outer dew
sure
sick sentinel
no
outer dew
that's how you get one shot
daring marlin
Nah don’t do it if he targets you
sick sentinel
you get in front use reflect
karmic whale
ah oki
sick sentinel
you can only reflect it when it is NOT on you
karmic whale
thanks ❤
daring marlin
You reflect but it still hits you
sick sentinel
and you go like literally on top of the boss
also make sure you dont reflect jolt before
and you use SR
karmic whale
ait ait
sick sentinel
yeah i just learned it got into a key
its huge damage back to boss
around %10
but i couldnt get all of them
it's like 30% on fort weeks
so possibly more
it is less % of the bosses health the higher you go (during Tyrr weeks only)
because the bosses health scales faster than his damage
but on fort weeks it is always the same %
full smelt
400 vial /butcher/ rez what combo would u guys use ?
oblique garnet
@hollow thorn oh btw the reason youre not rank 1 dps warrior on draenor is because the one is in my group LMAO
spark mortar
Thanks @sick sentinel and @sick sentinel.
zealous ore
Nah it's cuz he's bad @oblique garnet
spark mortar
I got a Jes ilvl 390 with a socket the other day but some other folks were saying it was trash and I was a touch confused.
oblique garnet
lamo
sick sentinel
it isnt bad for sure
probably one of the best trinkets you can get from m+ as str
except rezan
hollow thorn
@oblique garnet all my high keys are as prot >_<
zealous ore
@hollow thorn Call me when you stop standing in frontals and ninja pulling
Smh my head
zealous ore
X
rain tapir
410 butchers block or 400 ramping with socket and avoid comped with rezan
it feels tricky
sticking to ramping i think, cheers for the tips 😃
sick sentinel
@rain tapir ramping for raids, block for mplus
dry whale
oblique garnet
420 probably
sick sentinel
defensively the highest total stats is generally better, so your two highest ilvl rings offer you the most in that regard
offensively you'd need to 
oblique garnet
Offensively id say the 405 and 420 should be best
stone cloud
life speed or OP?
steady hawk
oblique garnet
Op
sick sentinel
avoidance has so little use in BfA which makes that entire component to the trait largely trash
OP is almost always better
vestal fulcrum
Can anyone please tell me where I can find pawn weights for prot?
undone sun
you cant
vestal fulcrum
pawn is bad? ok thanks
steady hawk
Yes. Use raidbots, simulationcraft or another just not pawn please.
Item level is king prot with very few exceptions for rings and trinkets generallu
vestal fulcrum
ok thanks
undone sun
well, can still use it but wont be 100% accurate
¯_(ツ)_/¯
as usual, take it with a grain of salt
primal crypt
^
oblique garnet
@primal crypt the first boss in fh 20 is spicy
90% of our rogues hp from one powershot
oblique garnet
Around 200k
primal crypt
Same 20 FH?
oblique garnet
Yup
marble vale
Nah, I mean to drop off stacks
On champions of light
The sacred blade stacks
Doesn't matter
I just realized I need to leap first
steady hawk
Leap then cast SR right before he hits you.
teal kelp
King are you talking about heroic or mythic?
sick sentinel
@marble vale U don't time SR for champs like u would for everything else
It's applied on auto attack
So if ur trying to time it like a casted spell ur going to mess up
The moment u cast SR it almost always will reflect if the boss is attacking u
The only problem u can face is parrying the boss
Which can fuck with SR being a wasted casted
hushed cobalt
Some fine tuned ToS first boss questions:
- Has to target someone else but hit you? Yes.
- Must interrupt jolt cast so it doesn't consume SR? Definitely.
- No particular time to SR as long it's up for cyclone? ____
hushed cobalt
There isn't a need to worry about positioning right? Like if you reflect one successfully you won't be hit the others
analog swift
So reading above about intercepting big powershots. How the hell do you get to a target and hit itnercept fast enough? powershot seems to come out in a second. Maybe I'm just shit but I can't imagine reacting that fast. Does the intercept shield last long enough to preemptively hit it?
warm plinth
Safeguard's shield lasts for 6 seconds. Intercept's thing has a duration too but idr what it is
Probably 6-10 seconds
Only thing is that Intercept requires the target to stay within 10 yards or it goes away
undone sun
10 seconds and 10 yards 👌
warm plinth
Oh yeah, I was actually looking at the tooltip when I answered that question. Says it right there; whodathunkit
prime rivet
what's the preference on trinkets for m+?
hushed cobalt
410 Rezan + 400(socket)prism are basically default for me. Rezan cause rezan and prism cause 25-30% overall healing
warm plinth
I'd go with Rezan+Vial in anything that isn't too difficult. In anything challenging, Rezan+Prism
sly quiver
What ilvl does prot actually get good
warm plinth
Any ilevel?
There is one pretty limiting factor though; if your shield is a lot lower ilevel than the rest of your gear, you're going to feel it.
warm plinth
It's a lot, yeah. But you can get a good one from the 1st boss of BoD. If you're just starting to gear, I think there's a 340 crafted one
warm plinth
Could be worse
I mean, 385 is definitely a challenging ilevel for a +12 anyway. And Waycrest has a decent bit of magic damage.
wooden mesa
what outer traits are yall stacking?
lusty grotto
im stacking icy veins guide
wooden mesa
yikes
exotic spoke
^^
lusty grotto
there is a list
based on gameplay
in the guide 👍
so basically 2 lists
so once again, i stack icy veins guide x6 for both raids and M+
undone sun
lol he left
exotic spoke
Sorry, I’ve had a really bad day.
lusty grotto
regardless he got the info he needed
exotic spoke
And that was meant for another chat
lusty grotto
guaranteed he checks the guide 😉
exotic spoke
Truth
warm plinth
Or he's gonna ask the guy specced Indom in his guild
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
Quick question for raid tanking trinket combo all are 400ilvl: alch stone/diamond/rezan's eye? Mythic+ I've been using stone/diamond for high keys and eye/stone for lower keys.
inner onyx
also a trink question lol
415 gorecrusts or 400 jes howler? got a 400 diamond in other slsot
mainly tank m+
stone imp
Butcher's Block
inner onyx
ye i figured, didnt really think of it as a tank trinket till i checked search
olive lotus
At equal ilvl do you guys prefer vial of animated blood or butchers block?
chilly brook
@sly quiver if you’re feeling like prot isn’t that great there’s two most likely answers to why. Either you have a lackluster healer, or there’s some player error going on on your end
@olive lotus I’d go with Vial but that’s my preference, in all honesty it kinda depends on encounter butchers block can be very powerful against parryable damage
olive lotus
To clarify I mainly mythic plus. So I feel like animated blood on reaping would be ridiculous
chilly brook
It can be but butchers block is also a lot of extra damage as well
stoic pilot
For grong shoulders would you choose bonded souls over brace for impact? or nah
chilly brook
Crit is technically our best DPS stat @olive lotus
Afaik bonded is pretty valuable in raid
Not so much in m+
So you could make the case for it but it depends entirely on if your group will benefit or not
hushed cobalt
Running waycrest as much as possible, join discord for an 11 because i wanna be fwends and not get kicked(also for the group's reaction to me tanking tree boss). 62 stacks and i didn't get the reaction I was hoping for
open bluff
rubbing waycrest? 
hushed cobalt
Meow!
stoic pilot
Thanks @chilly brook ^^
open bluff
but yeah, face tanking groot is the way to go for brm/prot war really
so they probably didn't react like you'd hoped because it's pretty easy to do and they may have seen it before
olive lotus
@chilly brook I guess the big question is how much does the use of avatar affect the two. Does crit or strength benefit more with avatar?
chilly brook
For pure DPS? Crit
hushed cobalt
Usually stacks dont go to beyond 40 cause route means hero on it. But it was kinda nifty
chilly brook
For everything else strength
olive lotus
You get like 1600 strength vs 400 whatever crit so hard to correlate
open bluff
compared to the dh and mw in a waycrest 12 last night that panic taunted him into the fire for me 
hushed cobalt
I usually imagine the people wanting me to go over fire
chilly brook
The strength also decays
chilly brook
Neither is bad
olive lotus
@hushed cobalt do you just chain your cds on groot or do you leap away and gain stacks?
hushed cobalt
When silly things go on I alternate between "?" and "..."
Was taking no damage for most of it tile i got hit for 60% of my life cause I'm bad and no SB or ip up
I hold onto shield wall for OH-NO moments but basically chain
hushed cobalt
Depending on the route, sometimes
hushed cobalt
Fatty is avoidable damage and you can ignore adds for maximum boss deeps(idk about higher than 14 tho)
analog swift
i guess maybe if you had CC/rop or some shit
hushed cobalt
Its not groot=lust but if witches are first then its up for groot and last boss
analog swift
I feel like if you lust fatty it's up for last boss anyway
boss takes 4 minutes on tyrnnically at least
hushed cobalt
Only speaking from 11-13, but fatty isnt much damage imho
analog swift
yeah i guess
hushed cobalt
Even with add stacks
sick sentinel
I've yet to see a butcher's block from WM in 40+ runs :/
analog swift
i feel like groot is easily like no damage
like much less and much less overwhelming that fatty can become
like tree tank until 35/40~ stacks reset gg
hushed cobalt
Depends on group, the 60~ groot stack group had slightly lower ST compared to aoe
That was witches/fatty/last boss lusts
analog swift
but like, don't you feel liek groot has WAY mroe avoidable or obviously timed/dealth with damage than fatty?
hushed cobalt
I feel fairly confident tanking bosses on tyrannical for the keys i do, as long as i focus on not not focusing
analog swift
i meant for the raid
like you said you lust on tree cuz fatty has avoidable damage
don't you feel like groot has pretty much zero damage outside of one MAYBE two fire phases where you just pop a healer cd
hushed cobalt
O i meant sometimes the route leads to lusting groot
analog swift
yaeh i understand
hushed cobalt
I haven't put him into fire in a very long time
If groot ends up being 3rd boss, lusting is a fine idea (to me)
sudden gazelle
When to use siphoning in m+ conte t?
manic river
hello guys, quick question, which trinkets should i use for high M+ ? 15+ defensively? currently im using 2 400 ilvl rezan gleaming eye and ritual feather of unng ak
should i swap the feather for jes's howler ?
hushed cobalt
@sudden gazelle never siphoning unless meme build
@manic river ritual feather for physical/auto attack dungeons, jes for magical
olive lily
so im tanking normal this week for first time. and my logs are terrible. grey and green. what do logs look at for tanks?
undone sun
same as other specs, damage output
there are healing parses as well, but that's also under another tab
olive lily
my dps is terrible thenxD
neon tangle
@olive lily there isn’t really a “did I tank well” stat unfortunately
Healing required kinda, but that varies a lot with how much you tanked, etc
delicate karma
How does Rallying Cry interact with the Bursting Affix?
neon tangle
You have more health, so you take more damage, you still get the heal though
So if you use it make sure to use it after people have taken some damage so the heal matters I guess
If you’re really cool your group could cancelaura the extra health buff I think
delicate karma
@neon tangle okay, thanks for the quick answer
olive lily
my damage is so poor though. im only doing like 3-4k dps and im 380ilvl
lucid kelp
ye that seems low. But if yer not dying and stuff's being held in the right spots it should be ok
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto yo
olive lily
if i stand still at a target dummy i do 7k. but im not using rage for shield block or ignore pain
sick sentinel
@analog swift I specifically doctor my route to lust witches and fat boy
And I kill groot 3rd
@delicate karma the optimal time to use rallying cry is 1 tick before somebody would die
@olive lotus I prefer butchers block over vial because you really don't need on use trinkets, sure they are good with avatar but you should think about the overall DR.
The vial ( supposing you use it with avatar ) will give you damage + armor + more ignore pain for a short duration, but you use it during the time you are basically invincible from phycial damage (I am also supposing you use BoM at least x2).
Gore block gives overall less damage because it's not pad damage (reaping damage is pad damage) and a lot of parry which cam save you from either parrying reaping applications or bleeds and other on hit effects
If you are doing keys in the low side (11-14) then vial is good because you just need damage, but higher than that go block
@sick sentinel go rezan+ diamond until your alch stone is 415 so you can go alch stone/diamond
sudden gazelle
@hushed cobalt nerfclap from jdotb's m+ group is using siphoning for super high keys
Unless hes trolling and changing wep before logging off
restive pivot
Hey fellows would you suggest personal absorb-o-tron or self csuterizer
Cauterizer
For m+
sick sentinel
@restive pivot having used both, the bot is better
The bleed removal is good only in the raid and in kings rest
@sudden gazelle he is probably changing his weapon
Siphoning is 2.5% leech, it's definitely a meme and a bad enchant
The guys that you see log off with that know that sheep will copy exactly what they do with no critical thought whatsoever and they are making our life harder
restive pivot
Thanks kaege
hushed cobalt
Now only if there was a leech enchant to ring 🤔
sick sentinel
NO TSAR
sick sentinel
Tofu I'll fucking murder you
outer dew
wdym
sick sentinel
I mean
outer dew
my goal is #1 NA Bear
undone sun
...
rocky crest
Any tips and ideas what addons to use, also could some of you guys provide how your UI looks like ?
For inspiration n stuff
or nvm I could just browse the sub channel
outer dew
for IO
rocky crest
my bad
nova gale
405 Rezans vs 415 alchemy trinket. Thoughts? GO
delicate urchin
alchemy
modest wedge
personally i think alchemy is nice but the more haste you have the more often avatars you have
oblique garnet
@nova gale whats the other trinket
nova gale
415 diamond
oblique garnet
Alchemy trinket and diamond are pretty good combination
rough egret
with BoM warr build is it good ot have more mastery overall for M+ ?
outside of avatar windows
im near 40% with mastery food buff
here are mine stats / gear
its with stack of ITF
remote tusk
50d cd?
hollow thorn
Dont use mastery food
sick sentinel
Hi there (again), guys, could you help me to figure out why I sometimes get so such damage, or is it okay?
And would be great if tell me what i'm doing wrong (in rotation, cd's uses etc).
Thanks a lot for your time!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KnfJz9FGpTCVYkxX
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bRXhF9rK4DkYLGdy/
p.s. i know that it's wrong channel but in "log review" nobody reply to me(
zealous ore
@sick sentinel try to TC on CD for more rage
Make more liberal use of Last Stand
Don't waste rage on block if you're taking unblockable damage, make sure to spam IP especially against magic damage
brisk ferry
Also why gem and enchant Crit?
slate pilot
Is there a consensus on which one of "Synaptic Spark Capacitator" vs "Relation Normalization Gizmo"
hollow thorn
cus haste is better
zealous ore
@slate pilot Synaptic is OK if you feel like you need the extra survivability
hollow thorn
Barrage or no balls
zealous ore
primal skiff
Hey, which gems would you use for playing mainly m+??
primal skiff
even if im at 1750 haste already? xD
zealous ore
Yes
You can sim yourself for DPS if you rly want to
Haste is pretty much always going to be top for damage and survivability with few to no exceptions
primal skiff
Just simulated
zealous ore
It gives you more uptime on Shield Block and gives you more Avatar uses
rough egret
I main fury thats why I have crit gems and enchs
zealous ore
Does that sim highest for you?
sick sentinel
@slate pilot gismo, 100%
torn gust
For me as fury it sims mastery as prio. 1cshb onlu
zealous ore
yikes
slate pilot
lmfao
zealous ore
DO U NEEEEEEEEEED?!?!??!?
sick sentinel
Hey guys! Rerolled to prot warrior from a Brewmaster and i seem to have trouble with the peacekeeprs in Motherloade
Do u just build agroo and kite away the claw? it seems to eat me alive
410 itlv 19-21 keys
astral crystal
restive pivot
Fellows, skittish affects my aggro on reaping mobs as well?
restive pivot
Where do i find a credible answer?
zealous ore
Either way
restive pivot
Cant convince them😁
zealous ore
It probably doesn't matter
If they're pulling aggro off of you immediately they'll have to CC or hold up for a couple sec
Doesn't rly matter if it's skittihs or not
restive pivot
Heh that would be a happy world.
shell pulsar
415 hands with haste or 410 with socket?
zealous ore
depends on stats
shell pulsar
410 have 127Crit and 75 Mastery and the socket
415 have 76 Crit and 130 Haste
zealous ore
415 ones
shell pulsar
ok thank you 😃
spice cargo
sick sentinel
did you press it too early?
silk mortar
It is possible you pressed it during the charge
in which case it didnt "lock" in on your locatin
sick comet
Belf is bugged imo. It doesnt work when I use it on my belf monk and it doesn't release the MCd guy on shadow bolt troll after 1st boss
hollow thorn
@oblique garnet Me > You
oblique garnet
Aight deattu time to get you out of the leaderboards
oh nvm you still have dps runs
glacial olive
holy crap 😄
toxic wadi
question on the icy veins guide
It says prot warriors "Lacks impactful crowd control ("mob displacement") dungeon utility when compared to other tank specs."
But don't we have intimidating shout and shockwave?
sand kettle
those don't move the mobs
Think abilities like ring of peace, gorefiend's grasp, typhoon even
DH has that sigil
toxic wadi
Intimdating shout does move the mobs, shockwave doesn't
sand kettle
intim shout is not really direct enough
It's unreliable and hard to control, and the direct target doesnt move at all
and the fear can be broken
toxic wadi
ok I see
sand kettle
It is possible, it's just much weaker than options other tanks have
toxic wadi
oh ok
the target does move in the shout (as long as fear isn't broken), but I think there is a prot talent that prevents it from moving
sand kettle
We tend to rely on LoS for stuff like that
IIRC the direct target cowers and nearby targets flee
toxic wadi
oh ok I didn't know that
sand kettle
Im not staring at the tooltip right now but I'm like 90% sure that's how it works
toxic wadi
ok I just checked, you're right
junior ivy
hi my prot people
rose relic
Fellow prot brethren
sand egret
🙀👀
upbeat needle
Overwhelming power has an icd on losing stacks from taking damage, right?
sick sentinel
@junior ivy hey cat
junior ivy
hii!
undone sun
👋
steady hawk
For intimidating shout to work you must have a target, and it must be in range. That target will cower and the others will run. The menace talent makes all targets cower.
mental scarab
But CC are for chickens😈
steady hawk
I use it to interupt usually
cosmic wraith
Thank you!
rigid shuttle
In most situations, is using the ritual binders ring + the zandalari empire ring better than using zandalari ring + jaina ring due to sheer haste differences? Assuming equivalent ilvl
warm plinth
If you have equivalent ilevel rings, always go with the one with the highest haste (assuming no socket on either) @rigid shuttle
rigid shuttle
Thank you! I was just a bit troubled because haste+vers and haste+mastery, not sure what's better usually, so this helps
warm plinth
Yeah, all the secondaries are very close together, but haste is still our best one. Safest bet is ilevel>all, haste>no/less haste if equal ilevel. If equal ilevel and one has a socket, ignore stats and go with the one that has a socket, since you want more total stats over "better" stats.
empty inlet
is the crafted trinket good ?
red sun
hey guys any tiips for Cragmaw's ingestion?
primal sable
Leap out of it
west turtle
I was wondering if stats are any different for Keystones and raid, my objective is to push +17-18 keys. I was thought that Vers has the 2nd priority overall since we don't have incredible answers to magic damage outside spell reflect and such, however I've seen many high keystone runners cap vers at 5%, so I guess they put a higher priority to something like Mastery or Crit for the added damage, so I don't know. I'm at 19% Haste -> 12% Vers -> 15% Crit -> 23% Mastery, which might be ok, but higher Mastery/Crit allows for better pulls.
Also I was wondering about the Azerite traits since I run as much Iron Fortress (x3) and Brace for Impact (x1) I can, but I've seen some people run Bloodsport, anyone is better informed about this?
lusty grotto
Our priority is ilvl
Not secondaries
We gain those naturally, and all of them are really close on value
With haste being slightly better due to CD and gcd reduction
You can check more info on that and azerite in our icy veins guide
It should be in the pins or in #268491842637660160
west turtle
I'll check it out, I just thought it was a bit strange that top prot warriors ran something different, but thanks
lusty grotto
ran something different to what?
youre putting emphasis on vers
that's not the case addressed by my first line
crisp pecan
@hollow thorn you did 18 sots on these affixes?
hollow thorn
ye
warm plinth
Any chance you recorded it 😮
lusty grotto
i mean
steel mauve
they arent really running any thing different, they just use whatever they have that is the highest ilvl
lusty grotto
shrine boils down to managing droplet and pre-2ndboss mobs for bursting (and i guess eels)
everything else remains the same
warm plinth
I just like watching high level prot keys, which aren't super readily available.
lusty grotto
i guess heh
warm plinth
I'm not trying to learn from it; it's purely for entertainment
warm plinth
Awesome! Thank you
thin ore
Is there any reason you would wear this bwonsamdi trinket in regular content where you are usually not being oneshotted?
sick sentinel
no
charred tulip
how long will 65-120 take
sick sentinel
Depends on how much time u are able to play and how fast u level and what tricks u know to level faster
wicked ginkgo
Do you have wod/legion flying, do you heirlooms, do you use aap?
oblique garnet
tbh shrine isnt that hard this week
oblique garnet
we had a fairly good route but we got fucked by some ninja pulls etc
lusty grotto
yup
lavish oracle
Hm. Worth dropping like .8 overall ilvl for 6% leech in M+ you think?
undone sun
overall ilevel doesn't really say much, depends more on the slots and the ilevel differences on said slots
lusty grotto
.8 overall ilvl?
lavish oracle
belt, ring, and bracers. gain a socket
lusty grotto
oh yeah sure
wise mirage
what trinkets should I use for mythic + sec
400 Rezan / 400 Engine / 405 Vial / 400 Anchor / 405 Sporepod
rough egret
OP / AS / UF
wise mirage
385 Syringe
rough egret
its not
lucid bough
noo
lucid bough
never tried tbh
oblique garnet
it is pretty good
undone sun
i've heard it's good in aoe situations, couldn't say from experience though
lucid bough
and mb not this week
oblique garnet
iirc someone said it does like 10 % of your overall dps
lavish oracle
Prism is BiS defensively
lucid bough
low key, hc run, log run
lavish oracle
Because the heal scales with haste like crazy
lucid bough
and with versa
hidden ether
Getting held back by shrine, temple and siege. I just can't find 3 DPS that know how to do the last boss of siege
night halo
yah that's the big thing it recharges faster off of haste
hollow thorn
@wise mirage a 400 Anchor does 4% of my dmg as prot
and i have 3x DC 2x BoM
so i do a fuck ton of dmg
lucid bough
he doenst take damage
hollow thorn
I have defensive trait in every 3rd ring tho
lucid bough
ya~
wise mirage
leech?
hollow thorn
Only thin that hurts is bursting
lusty grotto
hell no
undone sun
fuck no
distant meadow
400 Ritual Feather of Unng Ak, 415 Vial of Animated Blood, 375 Rezans. What 2 should i use for raiding?
sick sentinel
feather vial
distant meadow
okie dokie
daring marlin
probable
wise mirage
does it still count if you transfer?
or does it work like pvp
where you dont get feats if you transfer at the end or smth
hidden ether
How do you "not take damage" during a 19? What's your damage taken per second?
sick sentinel
over a KR+18 (over by 20 sec pepehands) I took 20k DTPS
lusty grotto
😮
20 second parses lul
kaege i need a run down for... gulp fury
i feel so bad saying that
following archim's guide should be enough?
sick sentinel
both are
wary gyro
god damn theres a guy in my guild who thinks they should nerf prot by target capping thunderclap
lusty grotto
hmmm let me check
sick sentinel
the wowhead guide gets updated faster
night halo
Just make Anger Management not affect Avatar :^)
merry cave
@@wary gyro Yeah Ive heard lots of people saying they should nerf tclap too -_- heaven forbid a dif tank is top for a while
wary gyro
its more the idea that target capping is a good solution to it
lusty grotto
shrug
rough egret
more mastery more dmg ye?