You only revenge when you can afford to spend the rage
#protection
green elbow
Seems like it woul dbe more efficent to just wait for your autoattack and use that for revenge
strong forum
Revenge does like 10 dmg more than devastate
Revenge hits for say 3k ( I don't actually know cuz I don't pay attention) devastate does 2.5k
So I rather pump that 30 rage into IP
Or save the 30 rage for an additional IP in ST
strong forum
Ye im primarily talking ST
green elbow
Nomeratur specified single target
modern brook
??
strong forum
Devastate is a filler and should be treated as such
modern brook
You revenge on proc
or if you're going to rage cap and dont want the defensive value of ip
strong forum
In aoe I just Hammer away with revenge with no regard
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone!
modern brook
u two twin :^)
jagged bay
thank u!
modern brook
@green elbow ur describing the exact reason everyone misses Devestator as a talent
Devestate is used to reset SS when TC is on CD
thats about it
strong forum
Exactly what I said, but in a more in depth way
Well and also assuming you TC and SS on CD
If you dont do that, do that
green elbow
ONe would hope, in any case
modern brook
Most of ouur offensive rotation is pressing avatar and hoping SS procs every TC
We actually have more RNG in our burst than Outlaw 🤷
strong forum
Idk bout that
Ah well, ye if we don't get many procs during Avatar our ST dps is heavily ♿'d
modern brook
Im exagerating for effect.
@sick sentinel Do the jumpers have a cast time / how do they fail?
chilly brook
Hmmmm
strong forum
They have 3-4sec cast time, if you mean CR engi item
chilly brook
Coming back at 379 where should I start first? Pugging the new raid?
chilly brook
But then I’ll be stuck with lower ilvl azerite 😑
modern brook
normal is 385 for BfD
chilly brook
Wadu hek
modern brook
I think you get a 400/week if u do the 10/week
chilly brook
What even is the point of normal lmao
strong forum
Normal is for babs
open bluff
625 for a 10
open bluff
400 azerite costs 675
strong forum
Ye so just go buy 2 pieces and spam some m+
chilly brook
Wait do you get 625 currency completing a 10 each time?
open bluff
yes 625 is your weekly chest reward for completing only a 10
chilly brook
Sooo then I’m not getting a piece this week
open bluff
modern brook
U guts are a lot better at this than i am
modern brook
@chilly brook have you done the warfront quest yet?
chilly brook
Nah
strong forum
Havent pugged anything so idk 
chilly brook
Literally just resubbed the other night
chilly brook
Woulda played last night but I had a collegiate R6 match
And then went out with the team for food after
modern brook
I might have a spare 10 key i can take you on if you want
You might have to DPS it though
chilly brook
It’s ok I appreciate it but I don’t think you’d want me DPSing lol
It’ll be pitiful
open bluff
i mean
chilly brook
I’ve got a key I can just bring up anyways
lusty grotto
cool i'd be game
chilly brook
Lol
lusty grotto
i get home at around 7pm est though
chilly brook
I’ll be around at 7pm est 😉
strong forum
We did UR11+2 with double tank the other being 380
Prot warri is by no means ♿ even as dps
sick sentinel
wait what jumper
chilly brook
I’m around all night tonight lol
modern brook
Kaege the BR for engies
lusty grotto
ya thats fine bull
sick sentinel
4 sec cast
sick sentinel
getting hit makes it go slower
chilly brook
@strong forum I’m just gonna be trash even more so if I actually go a DPS spec
ebon geyser
do u guys have any most have macros
chilly brook
Pull timers lol
ebon geyser
i have that lol
lusty grotto
cancelaura bop SS and cancelaura bop thundeclap
chilly brook
Pull timers, ready check, armor sets and uhhhh bop cancel
lusty grotto
and cancelaura bop devastate, and cancelaura bop revenge
chilly brook
And I macro my on use trinkets
lusty grotto
avatar + trinket + bloodrage macro
ebon geyser
bop = bless of protection correct
lusty grotto
yeah
chilly brook
Oh and mouseover for charge
But like nothing that you’re gonna be failing as a tank without
Ohhhh
Wait
You need this one
Don’t care who you are
Heroic leap macro to cast on cursor
chilly brook
☹️
lusty grotto
sry
chilly brook
🙄
lusty grotto
ive seen mouseover fail spectacularly
modern brook
^ a fucked sometimes u get memed rly hard by it
chilly brook
I’m gonna go die now 😵
ebon geyser
what is blood rage?
modern brook
orc racial
chilly brook
That racial that no one uses because everyone is a blood elf or dark iron 😜
ebon geyser
im not gonna be a top mythic raider so im a mag orc just because i like them
chilly brook
Honestly it hardly matters what race you are in the long run
modern brook
excuse me
chilly brook
All the races are within 1% of each other DPS/survivability wise
modern brook
This is a NE Master race channel
ebon geyser
NE?? who plays NE in 2019
chilly brook
I have no comment
ebon geyser
LOL
autumn pendant
😛
autumn pendant
😡
hollow bolt
i cant make up my mind between hummy and Ne
chilly brook
Being human is so WoD
fast garnet
Sorry to interrupt, but how the hell do you do shrine this week without wasting a shitload of time on blobs
Just wasted my 16 shrine due to blob shenanigans and im mad
lusty grotto
nooo you'll summon tofu with the NE talk
modern brook
Some new technology im brewing for SotS is to start the key; have everyone leave; pull the whole first room and die as you clap it down
modern brook
then everyone comes in, pull the templar with the 2 casters
everyone leaves again
die on the bubbles
IDK if its an actual time saver
but that first reap is such a bitch if you dont pad it with non casters
fast garnet
Lol that's hilarious tho
hollow bolt
13/7 strat
modern brook
🤷
ebon geyser
prepot is it strenght or the PP
fast garnet
Ye we got fucked by the first reap and accidentally pulling blobs
modern brook
Avatar tclap handles non-elites well enough
fast garnet
Cause of the chaos
modern brook
saves ~40s of death timers
It doesnt address the problem of the drops on the boss room
I think you either do those smart or pop a healer cd
autumn pendant
No healer can handle that much bursting
fast garnet
Dont get why blizzard promotes these degenerate strats
hollow bolt
i like bursting, it gives my healer a heart attack
fast garnet
Dont run shrine next week either cause fortified teeming
hollow bolt
Dont run shrine
remember having pummel, shield bash, and heroic trow silencing, with the silence shout
god bless
fast garnet
Good old times
hollow bolt
but hey atleast block feels nice now, i dont feel like the start of the xpac where my asshole started from my forhead on most packs
fast garnet
True prot is awesome now I'm not complaining :3
Some utility would be nice but oh well
hollow bolt
dps is utility now, if we clap it faster then it claps us, then we win
modern brook
IDK how old it is
but this is my current SotS strategy this week
Its definitely betterable with skips my group sucks / is incapable of
tired cove
is the helm from opal atleast gem wise all fun stuff or is there a actual good one ?
modern brook
a couple of them eplace consumables
tired cove
guessing i would want the pink gem right ?
modern brook
🤷
tired cove
i just got it
modern brook
they're replaced every day
tired cove
time to beat up marok when he's around
ahhh
i thoguth u jsut kept it until yopu picked a new one
tired cove
lol its cool i appreciate the thoughtfulness of answer
lusty grotto
no
its daily
and you get a random one
obviously
sometimes you get the useless "make a group member shiny" one
narrow abyss
Warlocks are talking about a big nerf they’re getting in 8.1.5...any word on prot changes?
narrow abyss
Word
modern brook
has their been any changes announced?
just in general?
or is this just rumblings of maybe permenant blood lust is too good of a trait
lusty grotto
nothing yet
exotic spoke
I don’t know what you’re talking about bullfango. That seems perfectly balanced
fast garnet
@bullfango thanks for the shrine strat
modern brook
I mis clicked some stuff in that because wago's editor sucks shit
And im pretty sure you can edit it to skip both the bridge ele and the windspeaker
sand kettle
PTR right now has a ~30% reduction to the lock haste on EP
modern brook
but i a) know my group cant do either of those and b) dont think its a big deal off fort
exotic spoke
So what, it’s about 7% per trait?
sand kettle
30% per trait...
exotic spoke
Instead of almost 10% nakharu?
fast garnet
Yeah dont think skipping is the biggest of deals on non fortified in there
chilly brook
Who thought it was a good idea to give any class perma lust lmao
sand kettle
the "base" is going from like 140 to 90 something
hollow bolt
wait what class had Perma lust?? locks
exotic spoke
Sorry, I mean the haste percentage it gives at the end. Didn’t it give 10% haste
chilly brook
That’s what I’ve heard
sand kettle
Oh i mean the haste number, not the % speed
exotic spoke
Yeah
sand kettle
Sorry I dont know that
exotic spoke
I think where saying the same thing. Or effectively the same thing
exotic spoke
So it’ll be down to about 20% with three stacks
modern brook
which is basically ItF
daring marlin
Yep.
exotic spoke
A little better, but they have to use three traits to get it.
daring marlin
It’s not even like FP either
daring marlin
It’s 100% the whole time
sand kettle
it should turn their numbers down without destroying the fun of the trait though
daring marlin
uptime
modern brook
3 traits is worth more then a talent imo
though thats a super subjective comparison with a lot of variables
saying prot sacrifices a talent for ItF is kinda fake
exotic spoke
Truth - but depends on what else is on the row (in general I mean)
modern brook
since its competeing against Punish which is undertuned and lol vr
chilly brook
I wish we got a new talent line
hollow bolt
I wish we got new everything, prot coulda been hella intresting
exotic spoke
^^
modern brook
My only complaint with Prot RN is Anger management is too good
daring marlin
Interesting in what way? More talent options?
chilly brook
AM should be baseline
modern brook
^
modern brook
it needs to be nerfed and put baseline
chilly brook
I don’t agree with it being nerfed but I think we’ve been over that lol
daring marlin
It’d have to be.
modern brook
I mean I'd prefer it not be
daring marlin
Prot is stupid strong now.
modern brook
but id much more prefer it to be baseline
exotic spoke
I don’t want it to be nerfed but it would have to be
modern brook
Prot is super meta rn
daring marlin
not that it changed THAT much
modern brook
its not any stronger than it was in 8.0
exotic spoke
It’s too strong to be baseline as is
daring marlin
I know.
chilly brook
Prot being strong has nothing to do with AM tbh
modern brook
It turns out when you have to clear an additional 50% trash, AoE > grips
chilly brook
It’s more to do with how we deal with damage
exotic spoke
Gearing, public perception, and it feels better to be fair
ember arrow
oh, discussion still going on
hollow bolt
I like thunderclap
exotic spoke
IP off gcd helped make it feel better.
ebon geyser
im so mobile in comparison to my pally that idk what to do LOL
daring marlin
Sure. It feels better.
modern brook
As per my usual enderon this: If you think IP off GCD and a 5% ehp increase is the line between literally unplayable and top teir I cant help you
chilly brook
Anger Management has next to nothing to do with our mitigation strength only how often we can rotate our CDs which can contribute to how much we can mitigate but not how it works
hollow bolt
yeah its meh
soft lotus
is callous reprisal good for me, if I'm just an average warrior? I'm worried the uptime will fuck up. It's just my alt. Please don't respond "git gut", I just want to know if it requires a bit of attention to play it
modern brook
Public perception shifted thats it 🤷
daring marlin
AM helps significantly with our damage.
exotic spoke
That was one of my major gripes.
modern brook
CR is good in AoE
daring marlin
We basically get twice as many avatars.
daring marlin
And during avatar we’re tankier due to BoM as well.
modern brook
.5% DR < having IP up
exotic spoke
No, I do t think that was the difference between bottom and top tier bullfango
daring marlin
AM ties in directly with how strong we are.
ember arrow
hows prot
chilly brook
@soft lotus because you said it, git gud. But no for real it’s a fine trait just not the best
daring marlin
More last stands, more avatars, more demos
Idk how you can even try to debate that
chilly brook
Like I said
soft lotus
ok thanks
daring marlin
contrarian griff per usual I guess
lusty grotto
Levko game still bad
modern brook
@exotic spoke I wasnt singling anyone out; I'm just saying there's this idea that prot got huge buffs when in reality the current M+ environment shifted to better suit us; and bad players no longer ruin raids so hard
chilly brook
It ties into how much we can mitigate but not with how we mitigate
exotic spoke
There were other indirect changes which helped change the public perception and or improved us.
@modern brook I understand but yes.
modern brook
We were always good in raid
exotic spoke
Truth.
chilly brook
Thanks Guilford that hurts 😢
exotic spoke
I think the largest issues were public perception and gearing. Warriors have historically scaled well with gear
lusty grotto
It boils down to reaping and BoM
exotic spoke
So we get more gear, we do better, and holy shit our dps is suited to reaping
lusty grotto
Nah that's not quite true Riki
modern brook
The gap between Legion and Uldir Gear was a lot larger thanUldir and BoD; thats for usre
chilly brook
I think we can all agree the WoW community is just stupid
modern brook
I think it was true back in uldir nim
exotic spoke
IP was broken then
daring marlin
who needed healers there
modern brook
making that shift from old EXP into the current was super tough on us in general
ember arrow
legion, good times
lusty grotto
No that's just not true at all
exotic spoke
And no I didn’t forget it lol. I didn’t have manacles and that hurt
modern brook
remember when ip was 90% DR :^(
hollow bolt
i think a lot of stuff became blockable 2, feels like block works on more stuff
exotic spoke
Nim, I mean the warrior class as a whole and more than just legion.
chilly brook
Block in general is just an extremely powerful mechanic
We’re not really any more powerful defensively now than in 8.0
lusty grotto
Ive never felt gear scaling as a prot Warrior in any expansion that's different than other classes
And I've been prot since vanilla
Again it is quite noticeable on our dps specs
hollow bolt
prty much
exotic spoke
To be fair, I did 31/5/15 or 17/34 fury in vanilla. And so that could skew my opinion
hollow bolt
isnt that been warrior in general tho, gear=better
chilly brook
It’s been very much an optics shift for the community which is all it was
exotic spoke
But, ARP in wotlk helped a lot btw. And I was saying in general
lusty grotto
3 changes for us that were big BoM, reaping and mdi/wf streamers picking us up
chilly brook
BoM was pretty big for m+ because it’s just a “hey you thought we did big damage before? Ha you haven’t seen anything yet”
exotic spoke
BoM was nice and with how the traits in general work for us, getting more was very nice too
modern brook
ACtually though nim
lusty grotto
The wf due to how strong we are on jaina and blockable enxounters
modern brook
Method taking warrior to Jaina was huge
chilly brook
And reaping just builds on that
modern brook
everyone was like warriors only good on jaina for a fwe days after that
chilly brook
The community is really just sheeple
lusty grotto
Ya griff
exotic spoke
We were always viable. I just thought we felt ... clunky at times
chilly brook
We still do at times
exotic spoke
And then trying to fight against the Public perception was cancerous
lusty grotto
Most of us here are proof of that heh
exotic spoke
Yeah griff, but it’s better now
modern brook
If things get clunky its general spamming revenge when u should be using the shield
IMO
chilly brook
cough Demoralizing Shout cough Avatar cough
daring marlin
GCD change is the worst thing about bfa
chilly brook
^^^^^
daring marlin
next to barebones feel of classes
exotic spoke
Eh, that won’t change unfortunately because it doesn’t align with their “offensive cooldowns on gcd”
But I hated that gcd change
lusty grotto
Well at least it's good that haste affects gcd
chilly brook
This is the only reaction I have about the gcd change
exotic spoke
Now if only I could get on the tournament realms ....
chilly brook
That’s no fun though
modern brook
urite
exotic spoke
^
chilly brook
If you gonna reeee have fun with it
exotic spoke
Why stop at an AK then?
chilly brook
Cuz I don’t have a gif with an rpg
If you play siege everything’s a 1 shot headshot 🙃
chilly brook
Ooooof
exotic spoke
And first shot is super accurate + spray isn’t that bad
chilly brook
I would argue that siege is deeper than CS
modern brook
We're super biased in each direction so im just going to agree to disagree here
modern brook
xd
exotic spoke
Fuck, I haven’t played CS much since I came back right before legion. I used to be good at it
chilly brook
I was ok at it
exotic spoke
So, general opinion for easiest dungeons to push this week as prot?
chilly brook
The ones they take you for 😜
I actually don’t even know what the affixes are this week
exotic spoke
See, I have a group and we are going to push this weekend. Starting at 16s and seeing how high we can go since this week doesn’t seem too and
Skittish, bursting, tyrannical
chilly brook
Mostly ez
brisk ferry
only issue we've had so far with keys is apes on last boss of Siege
otherwise, push away
chilly brook
Tyrannical makes siege a pain
I’d also say that mother lode is prolly gonna be a pain
exotic spoke
Apes on last boss of siege? Is that a horde thing?
chilly brook
Mostly unblockable
exotic spoke
Oh lol
chilly brook
I hate that place so much
brisk ferry
yeh SotS and KR are my least favorite
chilly brook
KR for the most part on tyrannical is pretty ez imo
sand kettle
KR after the nerfs is a lot better
chilly brook
As long as people can not be stupid on the third boss
sand kettle
the worst part is the gauntlet after the first boss
chilly brook
It’s a free key
brisk ferry
we pug the majority of DPS for our groups, and holy fuck they cannot avoid swirling axes
literally zero success rates on anything above 10
oblique garnet
Lesgo i got into a guild
chilly brook
Yay
exotic spoke
Gratz!
narrow abyss
Grats dude
Missed TD 17 by a minute last night...wiped on third boss 😑 soooo annoying
vocal skiff
I was healing on my resto druid on a 9. Amazing how rogue and hunter were getting hit by cinderflame 2 out of 3 times lol
and obviously low pugs fail the barrel and we hit a brick wall
lusty grotto
Puggin life
brisk ferry
TD is a dungeon I actually really like
even Underrot is much nicer now with the change to the first boss
narrow abyss
Well we cleared out all the barrels too quickly. And she was casting cinderflame on nothing..and then a bunch of barrels spawned in the middle at the very end of cast and covered the entire floor haha
vocal skiff
that pull before 2nd boss
brisk ferry
yeh Puzzle pug people tend to move the initial barrels outside of the room, dont do that
narrow abyss
We didn’t
brisk ferry
okk bad luck than
rocky crest
What's Median Perf. Avg: in the warcraftlogs ?
oblique garnet
your average performance
oblique garnet
Performing better
lusty grotto
Usually it's a dps meric
rocky crest
suchs as ? I think I'm doing a decent job with rage management and not stacking shieldblocks, keeping demo shout up
lusty grotto
Metric
rocky crest
Haven't played since TBC
lusty grotto
Wcl has no reliable tools to check your actual tanking performance
rocky crest
ah ok
lusty grotto
So that doesn't matter, just dps metrics if anything
exotic spoke
It could be influenced by positioning and strategy.
Ie, my parsed on coven / council / whatever they are called is going to be low because I’m tanking Paku off in Narnja
oblique garnet
im just glad that they changed the logs to include tank damage to the other adds
lusty grotto
If you want actual info of whether you're tanking correctly you can link it to us here
exotic spoke
Pad away! Cause we bring the aoe dps
oblique garnet
nah i mean before if you were tanking the aspect that didnt get killed you would get horrible logs
because it didnt include bosses that heal to full
exotic spoke
True, and yeah it would. My logs should be better now then
rocky crest
is that the correct link ?
Just fire away the shots, I don't mind. Still green. The game ain't nothing like tbc ^^
lusty grotto
No
exotic spoke
Since, at least in heroic as we aren’t on them in mythic yet - just got to opulence - I’m on paku and we kill him last
oblique garnet
oh normal logs
lusty grotto
Give us a log, not your profile
oblique garnet
yeah normal logs at this point involve alot of cheese
cerulean tusk
Ain't all logs just a mix of fine cheeze at this point?
lusty grotto
High ranks, yes
exotic spoke
But it increases as you go down in difficulty
floral tinsel
@rocky crest If you are looking for ways to analyze tank logs however you should look for more than just dps; check how much damage (percantage) is mitigated compared to other prots on the same boss, "failure damage" aka.. damage taken from avoidable sources, shield block uptime (+ if holes are covered by last stand or if shield block is spant while last stand is active) and IP uptime.
oblique garnet
I swear no cheese was involved in these
exotic spoke
Obviously not late.
cerulean tusk
No 100%, pftz.
exotic spoke
What difficulty?
exotic spoke
I had a 100% healing parse in Antorus for a bit...
lusty grotto
Late
exotic spoke
Lol
fickle urchin
ok so i did my first three 10+ keys this reset, and realised i really need to get rid of shimmering haven. Holy crap that thing gets me killed a lot on reaping.
floral tinsel
@oblique garnet How do you cheese logs btw.. do you use the fury trait?
lusty grotto
Are you pulling a weeb late?
fickle urchin
this tier*
wooden hinge
since we started private logging i only care about p3 jaina damage
oblique garnet
no im running the same traits as i would in m+
exotic spoke
It’s multifaceted - how to cheese them I mean
floral tinsel
Witch are? 😛
cerulean tusk
Alx, I am ashamed to say - I would do the same. It's hard to move out of the circle of goodies.
lusty grotto
Speaking of weeb, man @sick sentinel wheres weeb
floral tinsel
3xBoM?
cerulean tusk
Anything hides it.
lusty grotto
3x BoM is not cheese
oblique garnet
3x BoM 1DC 1 BS 1 IF
exotic spoke
The higher the raid dps is the more impactful heroism plays a rule since it will be up for a larger percent of the time.
Where you tank mobs in relation to adds matters. As cleave like a mother fucker works for padding
exotic spoke
Horde scum
lusty grotto
Alliance filth
cerulean tusk
Panadian fat.
fickle urchin
thats why being a great player in an average guild, wont let you get great parses, since bosses are alive relatively longer so heroism is relatively less of the total time. So if you want great parses its not enough to be great personally. Thats a bit unfortunate imo.
exotic spoke
I still ❤ you despite your faults
I’m just a space goat looking for mobs to tank
cerulean tusk
Hoy - I didnt play mist. Dont judge.
floral tinsel
@rocky crest are you useing bolstering talent?
floral tinsel
brisk ferry
Panadian is the greatest crossover I've ever read
floral tinsel
Shield block cast while bolster is active
oblique garnet
Agent actually you seem to be good at analyzing logs
rocky crest
So you use Indomitable instead of bolster ?
oblique garnet
Can you help me a bit on mine
lusty grotto
Never
exotic spoke
No
floral tinsel
Never
rocky crest
Oh
lusty grotto
ITF, bolster, booming voice, and anger management are never gonna be switched
floral tinsel
you always use bolster, its just that bolster gives the same effect as shield block (so spending a shield block charge while it is active bad resource management)
wooden hinge
that’s not correct
lusty grotto
And UF
lavish oracle
Do we get better up time if we lead a pull with last stand? that way the rage we're spending on shield block goes towards AM CDR for last stand
wooden hinge
devastator is better in some situations
lusty grotto
It's not
steel mauve
Devestator is never taken
exotic spoke
When?
rocky crest
Yeah, Sometimes it overlaps cuz I have to hit the OH SHIT button, cuz healers missed a window or I take a spike
steel mauve
And no never lead with last stand
lusty grotto
Devastator is only used to cheese St parses
floral tinsel
ahh, makes sence
wooden hinge
it’s actually better in p3 jaina, the only time damage matters this entire tier
steel mauve
You get max uptime with sb X 3 last stand sb X 3
oblique garnet
@lavish oracle no you never do that in raid
rocky crest
that's what I was going after @steel mauve
oblique garnet
You lose value in sb
floral tinsel
Devestator doesent even increase ST dps that much.. I tried it to have sume fun with heroic reclairs.. got worse logs, lol
sand kettle
Would it be a valid meme to macro strength pot onto my avatar bind?
oblique garnet
I mean you get more downtime on sb
lavish oracle
How big a difference in uptime is it?
lusty grotto
It does with the adequate traits agent
oblique garnet
Marok did the math
steel mauve
You have a lot more gaps
oblique garnet
But youre potentially losing 18 seconds of sb
floral tinsel
yeah, lets help mark first 😛
rocky crest
Seems like I sparked another topic ^^
lavish oracle
Hm. Makes sense, just wanted to know how big a difference there was
oblique garnet
In m+ its fine
steel mauve
51 seconds of straight shield block compared to 3 second gaps every other shield block while last stand is down after the 3 are used
lavish oracle
Eeeeh, that's not entirely accurate, Ironkuting. Last stand -> shield block (x3) -> Shield wall -> shield block -> ??? seconds remaining on last stand
The question is how many seconds are we losing there
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto can you take a peek at my logs too i actually am really bad at reading wcl xD like how do i even see if theres overlaps on bolster and sb
wooden hinge
go to buffs, look at last stand and shield block
lavish oracle
I think you might actually gain uptime if you're lusting on pull
would have to check
oblique garnet
Well azathot you get 3 sbs first then last stand then 3 sbs again then you sw get 2 sbs and you should have ls up again
steel mauve
Would still be far more gaps and down time, never worth it to start off with last stand
wooden hinge
you’re also losing damage doing that
oblique garnet
Not really
lusty grotto
Yeah give me a couple cause I'm in a meeting now @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Oh you mean last standing
wooden hinge
yes
steel mauve
If you start with sbX3 you only have a few seconds of gaps, where as you actually have several few seconds gaps starting with it though
And ya with lust you get more ss's during shield blocks where as you dont gain the damage boost during last stand
lavish oracle
Lust would eliminate those gaps, or should
This is super niche but I think you might actually gain uptime with lust active
lusty grotto
Marok replied to someone saying LS at the start is better
lavish oracle
but I'd have to do math
lusty grotto
You can search for that reply in here
It's pretty extensive
Marok obviously said LS at the start is Not better
steel mauve
Ive always seen the opposite replied, that last stand on pull is less uptime
lavish oracle
k, I'll check marok's math, I'm convinced it's worse without lust
Last stand on pull is worse, I mean
steel mauve
Ah nvm i read that wrong
lavish oracle
but with lust I dunno, maaaaybe?
steel mauve
I still wouldnt, dps is a large part of our toolkit too
And since we dont need the 100% optimal survival if shit dies quicker the fight ends quicker
steel mauve
Considering it would be extremely sligtly better if even at all
lavish oracle
I mean sure, but how much damage am I losing?
wooden hinge
especially during lust
lavish oracle
I mean, there are very few fights this tier where tank uptime is even enough to need to cycle through a full shield block (x3) -> Last stand -> Shield block (x3) rotation, I was just wondering cause I'm bored
steel mauve
Thats a good size of damage honestly
lavish oracle
and I think about WoW when I'm bored
wooden hinge
this tier was good. i’m glad i didn’t have to play monk again
i’m hoping nothing changes so i can play warrior in the 2 boss raid
lavish oracle
Honestly, I don't expect any major balance changes until after they introduce whatever the new Azerite system is
They'll probably try to do most of their balance changes with that
and then catch anything that slips through the cracks with more direct changes
astral crystal
8.2 is so hype and we dont really know anything other than the current azerite system will be gonet
that's how bad it is
chilly brook
I might actually get my monk to 120 today
I got extra time
I kinda miss my brewmaster
wooden hinge
i kinda wanna play pally for the zanadalari
ocean acorn
@chilly brook shoulda got it last week TW rewarded 500k exp per dungeon
ocean acorn
ya but its so fast to level like that
brisk ferry
yeh with full group we did 110-120 in like 4 hours?
chilly brook
It’s legit the only other tank I actually enjoy
oblique garnet
Oh yeah prot pally is pretty fun
primal crypt
Although you really start missing shield block
chilly brook
Guardian is a snooze to me
oblique garnet
Just catweave xD
primal crypt
So it's pretty legit
chilly brook
Pally is ok
brisk ferry
I find druid really fun but going into any M+ pulls without Rage is rough
chilly brook
DH would be really fun if my armor didn’t consist of cardboard cutouts pasted onto my body in a rainstorm
narrow abyss
I actually really enjoy how dh plays
wary gyro
I enjoy how DH plays until things start hitting me
narrow abyss
Yeah haha
chilly brook
Is shakib still playing DH?
wary gyro
My guild had a dh tank in uldir but they quit wow
chilly brook
I’d quit WoW too if I got clapped that hard
wary gyro
We killed with a venge and a bdk
astral crystal
that's an adventure, dosequis
sand egret
@brisk ferry always remember to re-shift before a pull, so you get the 20 rage. 😃
brisk ferry
oh yeah suppose that works
wary gyro
We used the venge as an orb runner in p1
exotic spoke
I want a Dos Equis now
brisk ferry
havent touched the druid since WArrior hit 120 tho
sturdy sable
Yeah veng takes alot of damage lol
chilly brook
If there was ever a tank that needed 100% uptime on its AM, it’s vengeance
sturdy sable
Or self healing that's worth a damn in single target
brisk ferry
someone had pointed out either here or Peak, that DH is basically jsut the worst niche parts of the other tanks
chilly brook
Yea
exotic spoke
The horrible amalgamation of all the tanks?
brisk ferry
essentially lol
exotic spoke
I think that’s pretty accurate
undone island
Is there a point when I won't aim to get more haste? I have 44.8% and can get 47% but I'm not sure if I should try to get other stats. What do you think? 😃
exotic spoke
Don’t overvalue haste
chilly brook
The worst part is they could be really fun if they didn’t get slapped so hard
exotic spoke
And is that with itf at 5 stacks
undone island
yes
chilly brook
@undone island there is no cap to haste
Haste will continue to be top priority if ilvl is the same
chilly brook
Don’t sacrifice ilvl
brisk ferry
oh actually one thing I've noticed and havent seen anyone mention, some of the top warriors are enchanting Siphon on weapons
undone island
So Griff I'm trying to decide between two rings, 415, socket (jc) one is 194 crit / 291 haste and the other 139 haste / 349 versa, so that's why I'm deciding if it is or not a lot of haste haha
exotic spoke
Are they the same Ilvl?
brisk ferry
why not both?
exotic spoke
That too
undone island
Jewelcrafting rings
exotic spoke
Oh, unique equipped yeah didn’t realize both jc
chilly brook
Let me put it this way
undone island
yes, I have in the other socket 415 bwonsandi with 420 cloack so 300 str is good for me
brisk ferry
^did I just have a stroke?
chilly brook
Haste doesn’t stop being super valuable at same ilvl until you don’t have a CD left on SB
undone island
so, I'd go haste/crit, instead of versa/haste then
chilly brook
I would
exotic spoke
I would as well
chilly brook
At the same token it’s really going to be up to you
undone island
yeah, I just crafted the versa one, and was thinking a lot about it
exotic spoke
Depending on the fight I’d keep the vers around though. That’s a lot of vers
undone island
http://prntscr.com/mryipz this is the stat I'm using in Jaina mythic with Crit/haste ring instead of versa
wary gyro
God I wish I had that much haste
exotic spoke
Ditto. Fuck my life
undone island
It feels amazing, last week I had 1500, then I got bwonsandi ring, the cloack, crafted belt and pants two days ago and ring too
yesterday I felt a lot better in jaina
sick sentinel
So turns out
wooden hinge
i was all vers for the first 3 nights of m jaina prog but i was haste on our kill
oblique garnet
Yeah
undone island
but since jaina has a lot of dot dmg was thinking in switching haste for versa but Ill keep haste
oblique garnet
Its 4-5 minutes fight kage
wooden hinge
nah just pump her last phase
sick sentinel
3m 40 seconds with double bloodlust
oblique garnet
Yeah
undone island
How do you do the double bloodlust?
undone island
ahahah
sick sentinel
Then you lust, wait 40 sec and click yes
wary gyro
Wait you can do tht?
oblique garnet
No
exotic spoke
Wait. What? Lol.
So talk and get the buff. Talk again and then don’t click on it until after lust / hero
sand egret
so you fight with the window open?
oblique garnet
yeahy
brisk ferry
theses are some pretty sweet degenerate strats lmao
exotic spoke
Fuck it for double lust I’d do it. I wonder if a healer could do that too and get triple
sick sentinel
And it didn't remove it
undone island
that's good to know haha
exotic spoke
It’s already a failed key so ehhh
wary gyro
I just assumed it would close when you ran away from him like every other chat window
exotic spoke
But still lol
sand egret
as an actual QA professional, this type of shit gives me anxiety haha
brisk ferry
same lol
oblique garnet
honestly tho its needed
given how ridiculously high hp yazma has on high tyrannical
sick sentinel
Dino boy has 15k
But at least you can stand still
We have a demo lock
So literally any movement is bad for his deeps
To be fair
With like 3 deaths
We had 3 mins left when we engaged yashma
So yeah
oblique garnet
not fast enough
wooden hinge
our demo locks stand in the explosion of ordinance :/
exotic spoke
So... locks have double lust twice with EP or whatever that trait is lol
sick sentinel
Why haven't they buffed our vanguard with8.1.5
exotic spoke
What is bullshit?
sick sentinel
At like 20%
LOL
If they go like this
Every patch needs to buff vanguard by 5%eachpatcb
Yeah that's what we need
Buffs
Prot warriors are bad
So underpowered
exotic spoke
I mean... that vanguard buff was minor
sick sentinel
Well it was
sturdy sable
Yeah but if we get enough of them
wary gyro
Just give us a 100% vanguard buff
sick sentinel
Like before the vanguard buffs
We had like 180k health and every other tank had like over 200k
And we had more gear
narrow abyss
We’ve gotten like 3 I think
sick sentinel
And the extra armor was all we had against throw rock
exotic spoke
The deadliest of attacks
modern brook
man not being afraid of throw rock is the best part of playinga warrior
these fools think im afraid of projectiles??
bitch i learned what shields were designed to protect me from in the first place
exotic spoke
But then forgot how to use them for that at the beginning of BfA
sick sentinel
exotic spoke
Ha! I wonder what I was typing back then lol
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke 🤦
exotic spoke
Hey don’t judge me
sick sentinel
I literally just took the screenshot
exotic spoke
I know! I just saw my name and I’m self absorbed
sick sentinel
You were typing "But then forgot how to use them for that at the beginning of BfA"
exotic spoke
Oh. Then I’m definitely fucking retarded. I thought that was a bit ago
Don’t mind me..::
modern brook
its ok riki
sick sentinel
I just went on the search bar and searched "from: @sick sentinel throw rock"
sick sentinel
Gave you a concussion
exotic spoke
Multiple probably and we don’t have concussion protocol
undone island
Anyone knows if Crucible of storm will have Hall of Fame achievement?
modern brook
🤷
undone island
same, I hope it doesn't have
narrow abyss
i think that 300% heal effect from crucible will be awesome
narrow abyss
gonna assassinate the melee 😃
sick sentinel
The trick is
"I have to pull more mobs do I don't hit the melee with my heal"
Wait what?
Are u saying I can instigate, some
Intense Nerd Rage?
steady fiber
Hi, does engi helm helps allot and i should consider to make it or it's meh and i should wait for next week and try to get 415 rando peace in hope to get something decent?
hearty flume
hey boys if anyone is interested: https://youtu.be/Wguh-8MB61s
steady fiber
But im like it's better to wait and buy the 415 or engi
sick sentinel
The gismo trait is almost as good as BoM
And the bleed removal literally saved a kings rest key
steady fiber
But like bleed removal is considered to pick just for atal dazar and kings rest or overal allways ? i mean it procs only on bleed etc or ?
sick sentinel
I generally pick the bot
The bleed removal also removes 1 stack of grievous
Fyi
I actually am in love with Gismo tho
oblique garnet
We reviving #BlockTheRock?
sick sentinel
Looks like you're... Late to the discussion bud
oblique garnet
please dont
sick sentinel
Ok sorry, I'll see myself out
stone cloud
Rezans is bis
sick sentinel
Well
oblique garnet
alchemy is bis
stone cloud
If high enough ilvl
oblique garnet
for pushing high m+
sick sentinel
I'll not go as far as calling it bis
oblique garnet
wdym?
stone cloud
Who uses it
oblique garnet
take a look at the rankings
supple path
How many of those 10 are alchemists who have it as an option?
stone cloud
I mean if it was bis I’m sure more would use it
novel zealot
Would a Relational Normalization Gizmo be worth going with over a third Bastion of Might stack?
stone cloud
If you’re an engineer already
sick sentinel
^^
olive merlin
I have considered engineer for the bleed reduction.. not sure its worth
sick sentinel
Alch trinket and eng head are super good right now if you have that profession anyway
novel zealot
I have them yeah, so might as well then
sick sentinel
700k in a freehold 19
stone cloud
Also slows 😉
olive merlin
Wow
stone cloud
And has DC if you don’t have one or Bloodsport which is prob the best trait defensively after first DC
In m+ that is
stone cloud
Also the goggles are good for Conclave @olive merlin
The proc removes a stack of kimbul bleed
olive merlin
Going to have to look into it more.. have just been mining. May as well put that ore to work
stone cloud
If you already have a good 415 helm go Bs for 415 haste legs and belt
stone cloud
I would as well but if he has say a 415 DC/BoM already
Since only reliable 415 pants and belts don’t have haste on then
Or go JC for 415 socketed ring
Wouldn’t advise that tho
oblique garnet
jc ring is spicy
stone cloud
Lmao ya
oblique garnet
way too expensive tho
stone cloud
If you get a good roll
sick sentinel
At least all rolls are good rolls
stone cloud
I still have my 400 cause high haste/vers
sick sentinel
For prot
stone cloud
Also I’m biased on Rezans
sick sentinel
Yes
stone cloud
Cause lul
sick sentinel
Yes.
stone cloud
Lmao
outer dew
Ya know
Suprisingly my luck with trinkets is pretty good this tier
Bear has all it's good trinkets, warrior got all the good trinkets
stone cloud
Oh god not another bti situation
sand egret
@outer dew what trinkets you runnin?
sick sentinel
I don't like on use trinkets
sand egret
ahh yeah I got fitted with a Vial / Block myself
i'd like a rezan's ideally. What's your furboi rockin? I got a TF spyglass and harlan's
exotic spoke
who was it running two 1.5 minute on use trinkets... boost?
tropic star
is that so he has one up for every avatar?
exotic spoke
I think so
dense flame
steel mauve
Usually when you run 2 on use you use them for everh avatar
outer dew
@sand egret harlans and heart from ML
I have a spyglass but I dont think it crit > agi
sand egret
it ain't but it is fun when it procs 😃
got it out of my cache at 410 so I aint complainin
modern brook
@lusty grotto you can skip the last reap in KR with a DK
not that this is news to anyone
oblique garnet
You can skip it without a dk aswell
modern brook
shroud?
modern brook
u can def skip one pack on the bridge and get it post king
IDK why i never thought of that before
🤷
steady fiber
So i should delete the bs and lvl eng for eng helm or nah ? 🤔 Or just take titanium and pray to rgnjesus for decent traits
modern brook
RNG isnt worth re-specing for
Its a garunteed 415 w/ DC and a strong 2nd trait
thats the major appeal of Goggles > raid/dungeon drops
steady fiber
and for like trinket the alch one, i should like latter delete mining do alt etc to make trinket get the herbs with twin and it's worth a time ?
modern brook
We're not hurting for good trinket options
Many alch's are already replacing their 415s
Its a good trinket for sure
But so is Vial, Rezans, goreblock, jes, knot, dlrp, etc etc
hidden kindle
Does anyone know how to disable the feature in the Threat Plates addon where the bars take the color of the marks that are put on the mobs? It overwrites the threat color system
teal kelp
Any tips for tanking bwonsambdi in phase 2 of mythic rastakhan?
outer dew
outside of the ring
lol
yeap
you have a healer sit middle to bait
and everyone else outside
lucid bough
sometimes u gonna get it anyway thou
outer dew
it's usually fine if you take it out far enough
teal kelp
anyone know the specific pros/cons for a 415 Alchemy trinket vs 400 Rezan's Gleaming Eye?
i see a lot of parses running diamond + rezans
or would alchemy trinket be better due to 15 ilvls
karmic tartan
hey there! Might I ask what item to pick here? a crafted 415 haste/mastery belt or a 405 haste/versa with socket+speed? i´m conflicted here 😦
wary nymph
modern brook
@outer dew are their vods of that?