Because it was cross realm.
#protection
fringe marten
Also..legit..I think a lot of people have quit due to just a general dislike of BFA.
subtle shard
What does SR do on chmpions?
lusty grotto
it avoids the next application of the debuff if you're boss tanking
the debuff lasts longer than that so yeah
fringe marten
If you get a really good timing on it I think you can get it to drop...if you reflect just before he does a channel and the cast toward the zealot.
subtle shard
Next application? As in only 1 swing of the boss ?
fringe marten
But even still delaying a stack means you're allowing your raid to burn and no tank swaps.
Once your guild is doing enough damage you never have to tank swap.
subtle shard
Ahh okay... thanks for the answer
red sun
hey guys can anything be spell reflected on mythic rastakhan?
undone sun
tired cove
is bursting magic or psy ? just out of curiosty
cause i went never surrender + 3x bloodsport and i was being a mongloid in a 10 and like bursting really didn't do much unless at 8 or so
undone sun
shadow, magic
sick sentinel
So after killing H jaina today and moving onto Mythic, we found out one of our healers was padding
tired cove
sounds like my kind of healer
lusty grotto
yikes that was worth it
got shield and gloves
from champs
now i can do this as dps loot spec 😃
signal plover
Just don't forget to swap back to prot for Opulence :)
willow flint
what wep enchant is best for prot?
plan on doing keys, if that changes anything
no raid tanking
undone sun
haste
willow flint
cool, ty
summer chasm
Gate/leap out
lucid kelp
hm
got mythic jadefire down...finally...carrying some dps and people who dont know how to turn their character. Still was a good fight
and got a 100% ilevel parse. but my ilevels kinda low so it was only like out of 48 parses
firebird hurts!
olive lily
just did champion of the light. and i was on boss. i thought the stacks fall off? they never fell off and i ended up dying. did i do something wrong?
i think i had 16-18 stacks of sacred blade
modern brook
heroic or m?
olive lily
normal
modern brook
you have to move a lot more sub m
but you time a SR and run during the seal switches
olive lily
SR?
modern brook
spell reflect
olive lily
ahhhh so when dps switches to adds. i kite boss and throw up spell reflect to buy time for them to fall?
modern brook
uhhh tbh i dont remember the strat i used
i think i spell reflect before phase shift
then leap away
while shes doing the seal shift
that cast time and the walk time to get back to you plus the denied stack should be enough to reset
modern brook
yup
restive slate
so, i just got a 395 servant splitter from waycrest, should i use that over my 385 that has stats?
astral crystal
fuccin mekka down finally
astral crystal
ye, the most difficult mechanic in that boss is your own raiders
not pumped at all for mythic stormwall
potent anvil
waycrest is rough cuz of bursting. i did a 16 and i literally just pull big. i think the opportunity cost is worth lol. maybe not in higher keys, but being able to clear the courtyard in one go, followed by a half of the pig hallway is pretty quick.
narrow abyss
i can't get a good feel for how mongo i can pull
first night of keys, probably will get used to it as week goes on
potent anvil
i just pull as much as i can handle on a tyran week. bursting is annoying for sure, but i havent done any pushing this week just farming.
narrow abyss
my fire disappeared in front of my eyes @ 50 stacks on tree boss
holy moly i had to let a crush through unblocked
my asshole
potent anvil
when i did the 16, i tanked it from 100-0. got up to 58 stacks i think lol
narrow abyss
teal stream
is bonded souls good for prot?
autumn cosmos
What becomes our priority in M+ after we've extend demo shout 3 times?
astral crystal
keep on clappin
autumn cosmos
That's what I thought 🤔
next stone
What weapon enchant do you guys have? haste?
rough egret
yes
onyx radish
I've gotten 2x 400 trinkets and a 405 trinket all in one day today. 400 Jes' Howler, 400 Rezans, 405 Op diamond...couild only be luckier with TF's...
dim blaze
Man cross realm raiding gonna be a while. 6 alliance guilds are killed Jaina
autumn cosmos
Any of you got a racials preference for Warrior tanking on Horde?
Just flying with Blood Elf for now, but am thinking of changing it up a bit for fun.
merry cave
It doesn't really matter. See what you think is fun
modest wedge
doesnt matter if u dont do 1% content
outer dew
tight tree
He is buff af mmkay? Troll stronk. Hit hard.
sick sentinel
HC or mythic ?
ionic fern
We're also on Rasta..the dmg itself isn't bad but the swaps are horrible and my guild decided to go with the "Not letting the paladin solo tank Bwonsamdi"
soft kindle
Stop struggling on heroic tofu lol
narrow abyss
Oh hai meth
dark lark
currently ilvl 405/408, typically pushing +13 and +14's, what trinket should I use? 400 rezan's eye, 400 vial of animated blood, 400 alchemy trinket, 405 butcher block, 410 jes howler
my gut says rezan's and jes
wondering if anybody has any other ideas/arguments
modest wedge
rezan + vial/block for easy dungeons and rezan + alchemy if u struggle. id say, but let others pitch in too
rapid tide
I think at 405 in 13/14s I would always go rezan + block.
You should not really be in danger of dying unless you pull like quad casters and a trinket won't help you in that case.
dark lark
makes sense, if i make a stupid pull it doesn't matter, right
modest wedge
No, but when i pull big i calculate what i have off cd. Shield Wall, potion, healthstone etc and go ham
warm solar
Hello, tell me if Azerait traits Deafening Crash is getting stuck or is it enough to have only one item in it?
unborn island
One of them :)
ionic fern
Or 3 for maximum clappage damage in m+
warm solar
ok tnx guys 😉
boreal wasp
IF's damage is terrible. way worse than DC
ionic fern
I'm gonna try it..i've been using x3 BoM + x3 DC for m+ so far.
Will try x3 BoM + x1 IF+x1DC
old zephyr
Most of DC Damage come from booming voice extension
old zephyr
If hits all targets that swing at you
boreal wasp
unless they've changed it it doesnt
the ICD on the damage is on you blocking
not an enemy being blocked
old zephyr
Uh...
Didn't know there was an icd on that
And I don't have any appropriate logs to check
neon tangle
@old zephyr not true really
Re: the damage
Go look at the sims for stacking it
For pure dps in AoE DC is one of the best traits
Even for the 2nd and 3rd ones
old zephyr
3dc is high Because First dc is crazy
According to blood maillet 2nd and 3rd are only about 300dps
Wich leaves about 20 other trais that are better on a pure dps stand point
Than 2nd or 3rd dc
I'm on Phone so I can't but if you sim without booming voice dc dps Will also crash to the ground
old zephyr
If might do à bit less dps than 2nd and 3rd dc but has défensive benefit
ionic fern
I mean definetly the first DC is the biggest DPS upgrade you'll get , but 3 of them is still better AoE DPS than IF ..that's only if you are going for pure DPS tho in AoE.
sick sentinel
@teal stream bonded souls souls is a general therefore you only pick it over s second DC
floral tinsel
Can guys who have actually tested it confirm that Chemichal Burn from Rixxa Fluxflame is reflectable?
ionic fern
Yep.
sick sentinel
if something in the spreadsheet was wrong we would have pinged sense and talked about it
never actually had to happen to my knowledge
floral tinsel
ty wm 😃
modest wedge
just noticed yesterday it was reflectable.... my face -> :'------D
autumn pendant
You can face cyclone strike with SR up? Noice
floral tinsel
Same.. I almost failed a key due to dieing to her but beeing CRed on a 14 key (I usually run 16-18 keys) so I knew I was doing something wrong,..... went to the spreadsheet today and found out that her autoattack is not blockable and that the dot is reflectable
:/
Our group seem to never have gotten Motherloade on tyrannical before, so I didn't know
ionic fern
Jep, you can't be the target of Cyclone Strike & then you can SR it.
Also the same thing on last boss in ML .@floral tinsel
floral tinsel
yeah, saw it 😃
But somehow I knew that
I guess it mattered more on non-tyrannical weeks
solemn kelp
So I'm trying to work out the best way to deal with the bursting on the droplets in SotS as I can't avoid doing the dungeon any longer. Can anyone enlighten me?
Can they be pulled one at a time?
floral tinsel
Not really, but you can kill them one at a time
rapid tide
Stagger the kills, or just go 5-7 stacks and pop a cd.
The boss p1 is really easy so you can just safely bubble or whatever there.
floral tinsel
Use rallying cry and Ignore pain maybe even shield wall.... make your team use healthstones if you have a lock
solemn kelp
So it's a question of pushing through it and handling them all at once, there's no way to handle small bunches.
okay then
rapid tide
Well obvsly you can just kill 2 with pure st, wait for stacks to drop and kill 2 again.
solemn kelp
Okay thanks that's settled things then
rapid tide
I mean at this points its faster to just pop all at once and wipe to it tho tbh :' )
solemn kelp
True at least at the start 😂
floral tinsel
darkness from DH is nice.... spirit link is amazing (not that you will use a resto shaman in a dungeon 😦 )... etc..
rapid tide
We are running with MW this week and they can handle 7 stacks with setup
So we just stagger them into 2 waves.
floral tinsel
ohh.. and if you make sure to kill one yoursef with a shield slam you can trigger victory rush 😛
The droplets are just cancer really.... But also not to bad as long as you show them some respect/use cooldowns/healthstones
rapid tide
Ye. The thing is to not be cautious with cds there.
solemn kelp
yeah thanks rng for the key
rapid tide
Just pop them, it's tyra and the first boss has an easy first phase.
floral tinsel
^^
somber lichen
hello, im lookinig for an addon for mark easily mob in mm+
crimson sentinel
eager phoenix
Opie addon for fast ground markers and F1-4 or something for some target markets is what I do
sick sentinel
OPie is love
unborn island
How up to date is the SR weakaura?
Also- where can I get the reflectable/dungeon notes spreadsheet? Can't seem to see it in pins which is where I thought it was
glacial olive
@unborn island its in the guides-resources-faq channel
unborn island
D'oh, thanks!
rustic zodiac
what horde race do you guys think is the best for prot?
eager phoenix
Only Blood elf has truly useful racial and adds somthing to your prot toolkit but it doesn't matter.
It doesn't silence. Just dispels. Changed for BfA.
floral tinsel
But to be honest... it does not matter that much.. Go with what you like
rustic zodiac
was thinking that prob hmountain tauren could be usefull on m+
floral tinsel
Nightborne have a aoe slow, highmountain tauren has a really small damage reduce
rustic zodiac
what about that stun of the hmountain tauren?
eager phoenix
Problem with HM and Tauren is while more stuns are nice most classes have stuns so you're just gonna hit DR faster on a pull.
rustic zodiac
right
floral tinsel
you already have shockwave, but the stun is nice
eager phoenix
I'd go troll, maghar or orc for the dps if you don't fancy belf. Don't feel the value of tauren/HM as prot warrior since you can always go stormbolt for even more stuns if you ever need it to handle multiple casts on a pull.
sick sentinel
Most of the time the highmountain racial ninjapulls
sick cypress
Wtf is this class guys i cant keep agro this week
I go charge thunder clap and i loose agro forever if i dont have avatar
sick sentinel
Have you tried pressing your thunder clap button harder?
sick cypress
Wtf this is not fun
worthy perch
I use a hammer to push buttons this week.
sick sentinel
Tell you dps to wait until you do 3 GCDs
Use shockwave when you lose aggro
Taunt leap to reset taunt CD and taunt something else
Having a high ilvl weapon is huge
modest wedge
if i cant get aggro i might use few revenges
bcs u dont need rage if ur not getting hit
xd
sick sentinel
Also try to doctor your route in a way that you have avatar for every big pull
Since its tyrr week you can pull triple packs, ava clap them and kill them in 40 sec and have avatar for the next pull
sick cypress
Thx guys ill try
thorny laurel
Question on first boss in temple, can I spell reflect all the cyclone strike projectiles?
sick sentinel
Yes
ionic fern
Only if it does not target you.
thorny laurel
so if it doesnt target me I can basicly stand in front of him and spell reflect it?
ionic fern
Jep.
thorny laurel
thanks
ionic fern
Also, apparently Conclave logs now count for tanks even if you're the bitch tank.
astral crystal
@shut summit when you solo soak pools on stormwall, do you use any particular CD rotation? pools come out super often
astral crystal
oh doesnt look that bad
icy pond
Hey Guys, I come back to my warry for tanking and having a bit trouble with trinkets. I got Bandage from KR and the Vial (2 on use Trinkets) So is the Alchemist Stone a good alternative?
icy pond
Okay, the guide means, that the Stone is a "decent" alternative so I´m asking here
I try to get Jes Howler or Gleaming Eye?
lusty grotto
depends on the content type you're doing
icy pond
M*
lusty grotto
rezan
lusty grotto
oh yeah
this week's affixes though
a diamond from oppulence is great due to bursting
and even a crap trinket like bandage has its uses due to that affix alone
so if you feel like your dps don't understand them, sure a bandage + alchemist stone is great
(use health pots with stone)
otherwise vial + alchemist stone is good
icy pond
Okay thanks for your advise! and how you feel about Jes Howler?
lusty grotto
jes is 2 min cd
it doesn't align well with avatar
so it depends on how you feel about it
icy pond
hm okay I tought the cd is a bit to high
lusty grotto
jes is just eh
given how we dont have pure defensive trinkets and Diamond from oppulence basically blows everything out of the water - and the rest are pretty much extremely situational
Diamond + Rezan is an amazing combo though
since diamond is able to be hastened
same as Diamond + RAGE 😃
long tinsel
When would you use diamond and block vs diamond and rezans or diamond and vial?
lusty grotto
diamond + rezan in defensive situations imo
the rest in dps situations
and if outgearing, probably replacing diamond completely since you don't need the defensiveness
long tinsel
Defensive situations like tyrannical weeks?
long tinsel
For m+
lusty grotto
im just confused
because usually fort weeks are the toughest ones
this isn't legion 😛
lusty grotto
for higher keys?
strong forum
Fort is way more dangerous
lusty grotto
i mean here's the thing, you can double pull if you're tanky enough... otherwise you're screwed
long tinsel
Yeah I'm pushing like 12-14s atm trying to get higher just can't get the right comp together
strong forum
Vial + rezans is viable on all levels
You would play diamond on maybe 20s
But only MAYBE
lusty grotto
id say if you feel like you need the oomph
for surviving
but yeah that's probably what i would do as well
ionic fern
It's like a 7k shield every 7.4s or something iirc.
That won't make or break anything.
It just piles up as a lot over the dng.
long tinsel
I'm just curious how hard the bosses hit at keys higher than 15
ionic fern
In general not alot
lusty grotto
bosses won't kill you
trash will
but yeah they do hit hard, but should be manageable if you do mechs correctly
and i mean things like 18s to 20s
strong forum
I would only ever play defensive trinkets in a raid when you get to a new mythic boss
lusty grotto
progression ya
strong forum
M+ I don't recommend defensive trinkets unless you fully know that it'll help
99/100 it's Player fault instead of gear. So there's that
lusty grotto
id honestly use diamond when pushing keys
so it depends on what key lvl you are comfortable with
(if i had a diamond that is)
strong forum
Eh, unless you're literally pushing 21s and everyone knows what they're doing I wouldn't bother
lusty grotto
so many bonus rolls wasted hehe
strong forum
1.5m with victory rush loooo
lusty grotto
yeah its def worth it if a key lvl is out of your comfort zone
strong forum
Ah tru
lusty grotto
what do you mean
strong forum
It's not considers tank trinket
ionic fern
But idk..it feels kinda "meh"..Diamond i mean. Overall it's good but in m+ it won't ever stack to the 50k or w/e it is since you're always taking dmg
strong forum
If that's what you want to get at
ionic fern
So it's just a 6-7k buffer shield every 7s
long tinsel
@ionic fern do you use Rezans with that?
ionic fern
That was only for testing purposes.
strong forum
Alch stone is perfectly viable trinket
ionic fern
I was running that + Jes's
icy pond
Perfect
ionic fern
I usually do Animated blood + Rezans
strong forum
Ye same, juicy damgur
lusty grotto
did you miss the part where diamond is affected by haste though
ionic fern
No, i diddn't miss that part.
lusty grotto
just so you know
lusty grotto
diamond's absorb goes after mitigation
paging @sand egret
wait
you have 3 LS
and 34 IPs
wat
ionic fern
Mm?
sand egret
👀
lusty grotto
not sure what stacks have to do with LSes
ionic fern
On lower stacks he does no dmg non the less, if he goes higher and higher you use SB/LS.
sand egret
diamond follows the RP rules btw
ionic fern
My healthj the first 38s of the fight.
I pop my first LS a bit before the first bird comes since then he's reachin 35-40stacks, after that a DH taunts, resets the stacks and so on. 🤷
lusty grotto
my point is diamond becomes stronger with proper mitigation
astral crystal
yeah paku does no damage whatsoever until he hits 40 stacks, he still hits like a wet noodle then, but it's more significant than his early dmg
ionic fern
^
lusty grotto
paku is a poor example then, i tank gonk/kimbul so shrug
naive panther
He hits hard with his 15% buff
Maybe not to a warrior
It to a bdk or veng especially
signal plover
Good thing we're in a warrior chat then
astral crystal
what i do is i hold paku until gonk dead, then i take kimbul first, trade at 2 stacks, hold paku until kimbul dies, then i pick up akunda first to reset stacks, trade on second lightning, then keep paku until he dies
ionic fern
Kimbul doesn't do much either. 😦
astral crystal
yeah he doesnt hit hard but i dont like having 3 stacks of the debuff
signal plover
Just his DoT ya
lusty grotto
stoneform brahs
astral crystal
bastard
lusty grotto
im orc 😉
signal plover
Yeah I just dark iron boi that shit
astral crystal
wish we were alliance ;_;
lusty grotto
im not
primal crypt
Alliance lul
lusty grotto
orc though
ionic fern
I take Paku the whole time..when my co-tank gets 2 stacks of Kimbul..we swap..i tank kimbul until he's dead..stoneform the bleeds & take back Paku.
lusty grotto
-> dwarf 😃
astral crystal
DI dwarf is objectively the superior race genetically and physiologically
they will inherit the world
rich beacon
I should switch to dwarf for stoneform alone but every armor just looks so squished and you can never wear a helmet or look like a human got stuck in a trash compactor
astral crystal
speaking of draenei
since im tauren i get swapped to draenei for the alliance bosses
gift is a stornk racial
lusty grotto
lol
astral crystal
3 min CD sucks but it's nice in snap situations
sick sentinel
I'm considering upgrading my normal human to human+ (KT)
shell pulsar
Is the engineering head universally good or only for fights such as conclave?
lusty grotto
its good
sick sentinel
but the way chests are just printed on your skin, the belly stretches every transmog so it looks ugly :<
lusty grotto
and cauterize is RNG so it's not due to that
sick sentinel
I don't think cauterize ever procced while I was tanking kimbul ;_;
rich beacon
Asking the bdk if i "should tank paku or kimbul without a swap" sounds like a deliciously evil thing to do to them :D
sand egret
actually, Im not 100% on Diamond following RP rules, but thats what my test rabbits have said @lusty grotto
tropic star
sand egret
Resounding Protection
sand egret
sorry, didnt mean to offend Yamo. I know you got a thing for rabbits.
lusty grotto
rabbits are tasty 😃
sand egret
I dont have the trinket, so my accounts are done second hand is all.
primal crypt
RABBITS
wintry ermine
my co-tank is a monk, I tank gonk -> paku until 2 stacks of bleed on monk -> kimbul until dead (2 stacks) -> paku and swap on every storm after that
I'm a goblin so I have to get externals for the bleed
modern brook
u ever do a raid on dps and realize how fucking shit you are at the game?
lusty grotto
eh
exotic hazel
It's better to try it as a healer first so you can save yourself lol
wintry ermine
went fury for lulz last heroic clear, I was terrible
lusty grotto
what'd you do bull
modern brook
strong grey parses on my rogue lol
lusty grotto
rofl
modern brook
im a bad player :^(
modern brook
Honestly prot is the best warrior dps spec rn so
dont say that too loud; we'll get tc nerfs
wintry ermine
I'm getting pretty meh parses, even in prot :<
so many crazy parses at the top with treacherous covenant
and multiple BoM
autumn cosmos
do we have any mitigation against bursting btw
sand kettle
IP helps, then just personals
I use my trinkets to help. Diamond is nice and my other trinket option is the band-aids so I use that to help as well
modern brook
you can time a rallying cry also
but yeah bursting mitigation is just ignore pain
IDR if spell reflect reduces it tbh
and SW technically will as well
though i dont think I'd recommend burning SW for bursting damage.
modern brook
I know Cloak removes it but idr if the damage is physical or not 🤷
if its not physical it'll mitigate it by 20%
potent anvil
Bursting is shadow dmg iirc
modern brook
Then SR should work
still not sure id recomend burning sr for bursting damage
depends on the dungeon
WAIT HANG ON
@lusty grotto crazy idea for brursting Sots week
Pop cd's pull the first room; kill all the mini dudes; but have everyone else leave the key
they come in; kill the big guy w/ the 2 casters
leave for bubbles
sand kettle
Does skittish affect reaping mobs? I've been having a hell of a time holding them if I don't have Avatar
lusty grotto
no
sand kettle
Anyone else's UI not track threat on them?
inland mesa
I cant find anything that does
Not sure if it's meant to be a feature or not, or I need a different add on
modern brook
my bars dont update threat like they do for everything else
inland mesa
4 dungeons left for the 15 achievement :) KR which I haven't timed all season, UR, FH, and seige
sand kettle
I read online that it has to do with the blizz API
inland mesa
Andddddd the group gets nothing but ML and temple thanks blizz
sand kettle
There's no benefit to stacking Deafening Crash right? You only want one?
astral geyser
the thunderclap damage stacks
but the first is worth alot more damage like you said
modern brook
Subsequent DC stacks have no defensive value
buth the damage added on is multiplied by unstoppable force
so its a lot of extra damage
sand kettle
Im dreaming of 3 BoM and 3 DC for aoe damage
modern brook
its definitely the meme
3bom 1dc 2if is the concensus "Ideal" M+ set up
im personally a big proponent of BFI and BS
sand kettle
What's the opinion of IF vs BfI?
modern brook
IF is good in any situation, excels in mass AoE
astral geyser
i accidentally had my 3 bom 3 dc set on for opulence kill and spiked over 100k dps on 2nd adds 😁
modern brook
BFI is ok in most situtations and strong in ST
IF is more flexible and more consistent, BFI is stronger in its best case
both are very good
sand kettle
Which parts of Bloodsport stack?
modern brook
all; IP max will stack and affects the one put out by BoM'd avatar, each piece of 400+ (maybe 385+ idr off hand) gives ~1% leech during IP
vocal skiff
So I always thought you had to kite the melee boss from the tidesage council
When he gets the buff
But I see tanks just shrugging it off even on tyrannical high keys
Is there even a need to do that, or did our gear and block mechanics basically ignore the higher damage from the melee guy
modern brook
Block handles it really well
I end up kiting it anyways until the girl is dead
just makes healers life a little easier 🤷
vocal skiff
I usually do that, but it can mess up the interrupt rotation
modern brook
U shouldnt be apart of the rotation after first
astral crystal
moving is kind of a hazard for mongo dps who love getting cleaved
modern brook
unless your comp is low on kicks
in which case grimace sorry ur sots is going so poorly
vocal skiff
yeah
sand kettle
The healer I run with all the time is an rsham which is nice
modern brook
Yeah Rsham rogue and dh should be enough kicks to catch them al
sand kettle
He's running those ele lava burst traits now and the dps he does is hilarious
modern brook
rezan + alch is my current set up
I dont have an engine
Rezan is 1ppm, So I'm inclined to say rezan is better
the Q: is 22~ish uptime on the STR buff worth losing the on use
quasi pagoda
Rezans is locked ofc, its just im wondering if i should take alchemy or engine as 2nd
modern brook
I say alch
sick sentinel
^
It's useful because of it's proc
A with 8.1.5 right around the corner it's other buff is going to be useful
modern brook
what changes in 1.5?
sick sentinel
Unlimited Regen health pot
sand kettle
How good is the engine? at first glance the cd lines up with avatar but I feel like im always running Anger Management
modern brook
Its probably a little worse to on par with vial
^ an opinion of someone who has never used it
sand kettle
Does alch trinket have a chance to socket or get leech/avoid?
sick sentinel
Nope
whole torrent
Hi
exotic spoke
So, I’m really curious what blizzard uses for rng seeds.
exotic spoke
I know it’ll never be announced because then it can be abused. And I know random includes streaks of similar things.
But I’m getting really tired of only getting trinkets
lusty grotto
not that it might give you an edge or anything
lusty grotto
but there's also some percent baked in
exotic spoke
True. You’d have to know the type of RNG and the seed
lusty grotto
drop rates etc
exotic spoke
Yup nimchip
boreal haven
Thanks Mate
mint adder
@boreal haven yes
exotic spoke
But seriously, nim. The amount of trinkets I’ve gotten the past four weeks is stupid. It’s something like 12 or so
lusty grotto
trust me ive gotten 5 belts
exotic spoke
Every turtle cache. Trinket.
Every m+ cache trinket.
Two from rastakan last night
Oh, and I got three boe belts in the past 4 days
425, 415, and 370 lol
lusty grotto
i havent been doing WQs
so can't really say heh
havent done emmisaries since 8.1 came out lol
boreal haven
thanks @mint adder
lusty grotto
boring as shit content
exotic spoke
I started since I came back with 8.1. I mean I didn’t stop playing, I’m just logging on for more than 7 hours (6 for raids and 1 for m+ and ah) a week
I’m enjoying it more than uldir. But I was burning out then and the frustration from how the community as a whole viewed warriors didn’t help
autumn cosmos
i hate myself so much for not having done mage tower
lusty grotto
i did mage tower with all tank classes and their offspec 😉
autumn cosmos
only did my main back then prot pally
short tartan
does callous trait % stack
lusty grotto
yes
sand kettle
Does it stack % or do you just get more buff stacks per use?
lusty grotto
it adds up from additional traits
short tartan
so if i have 2 it emean i have 3% dmg reduction
lusty grotto
its 3 stacks per application
sand egret
because they really had to make an outlier
modern brook
a little less cause of diminishing returns
steel mauve
Buff stacks never get stacked
sand egret
the fact that CR stacks is so triggeringly inconsistent
short tartan
does it woerth having stack or
lusty grotto
the % adds up
stable flame
just started messing around w/ prot for m+. what's the standard opener - charge, demo, tclap?
modern brook
Charge + Ava->clap->demo->clap
lusty grotto
it's a nice bonus
stable flame
ty
modern brook
this week you want to carge ava clap revenge clap demo clap
unless your DPS arent fucking monkeys
lusty grotto
please remember demo
short tartan
i am running bastion x3 and iron forteress
steel mauve
Its not the end of the world to stack it but there are better traits to go for
lusty grotto
provided you are BV like you should be
short tartan
wondering if i should go iron forteress or brace of impact or callous
stacking 3x bation and i have couple of other variation to play with
lusty grotto
you go IF over CR
steel mauve
IF for m+, brace for raiding imo
lusty grotto
or BFI over CR
short tartan
iron seem like a thorn 3% overall dmg in a dungeon
lusty grotto
depending on content
short tartan
m+
steel mauve
Would be IF then
lusty grotto
^
steel mauve
You ss less in m+ and its a lot of passive block and dng done
lusty grotto
iirc
there is a m+ trait ranking in the guide
which is basically what we're telling you ;P
steel mauve
Doesnt have a ranking it just tells you the 3 bis pieces
short tartan
yeah didnt the guide was up to date
lusty grotto
edgy oxide
small question does iron fortess stack?
modern brook
^
edgy oxide
ok thank you 🙂
tulip arch
The only thing I did notice is that Marok's spreadsheet has BfI over IF for M+, in contrast to his ivy-veins guide, but I assume that is for calculating pure survivability, in most cases in M+ IF is generally regarded as better
strange horizon
need some help: 415 Alch, 400 Rezans, 400 RAGE, 400 Vial, 405 Jes, 415 Grong, 400 Knot. Which combo from a pure dps standpoint for both m+ and raids?
sand egret
Imho, you need more options
lusty grotto
@tulip arch thats because the spreadsheet is not taking into account the fact that you will SS less in M+, so yes its for number's sake
strange horizon
got real lucky
tulip arch
Yup, that was my conclusion as well
sand egret
I'd say Rezan's is in there, and I'd mess with Vial/Knot/Alch
lusty grotto
can you umm... give me some of those trinkets?
sand egret
(context: I hate using Jes's and don't really know about the other tw)
sand egret
honestly i gotta look up what this RAGE thing is...i thought that was the Gong trinket
lusty grotto
its very strong ST though for meme parses
tulip arch
Vial and RAGE during avatar seem like it would be fun in M+ large pulls
lusty grotto
yeah
short tartan
@strange horizon rezan vial
tulip arch
Probably also delaying demo shout to when RAGE is at max, 10 seconds into avatar
strange horizon
hm so rotate vial and RAGE (both 1.5min) for every Avatar
short tartan
@strange horizon use vial on avatar and i fucking rekt my dps on reaping
short tartan
rage is grong trink
tulip arch
Acronym
lusty grotto
no RAGE is not grong
sand kettle
1:30 cd feels kinda bad on avatar because AM offsets it imo
strange horizon
Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine (R.A.G.E)
lusty grotto
^
steel mauve
Grong trinket is the grong trinket as thats how its commonly referred to
lusty grotto
1:30 cd is PERFECT for avatar
lusty grotto
@sand kettle
steel mauve
RAGE is mecha trinket
sand egret
that seems neato burrito
strange horizon
yeah but with double 1.5min CDs, might be good for Avatar with AM, average 50sec usage
1.5min trinket i meant
sand egret
i am not a fan of dual on-uses
strange horizon
will play around, thanks
sand kettle
I wasnt sure what the math was for effective avatar cd, thanks
lusty grotto
blade
i have a decent group on saturdays
8pm est
not sure if they need an additional tank but
ill ask around
if youre interested
lusty grotto
hehehe
sand egret
maybe i bust out some of that sweet sweet kitty kitty bang bang
lusty grotto
🤷
sand egret
i did do a LFR the other day!
lusty grotto
1 thing ive been wondering though
sand egret
although ol' Rhastakhan got me uber confused
lusty grotto
cause i didnt quite understand what these guys wanted me to do
on rasta
so i was under the impression that i had to go inside dead phase
but apparently not?
sand egret
yeah my only experience thus far has been LFR and they just pig-piled which I'm assuming is NOT how its done
lusty grotto
went into a normal mode after to get some breaths, and that fucker just randomly nukes people
sand kettle
You want both tanks upstairs on rasta
lusty grotto
yeah that's what i thought
sand egret
there's stairs?!
sand kettle
Bomb swaps arent a big deal as much, you want one tank on rage dude though
that casts necrotic aoe that you dodge
lusty grotto
right right
idle monolith
You can solo tank top during the dead phase on heroic
sand kettle
bomb swaps are good for positioning so you should do them if you can
sand egret
👀 fades back into bush
sand kettle
Warriors are good at getting away from bwonsamdi for that cast, just leap as soon as he starts the cast
We set up a lock gate too for our pally
lusty grotto
so all i got to do is iron out blockade, just ask for dispels when next to adds
seems easy
sand kettle
Yeah you want to make sure you take kelp to 5 stacks
lusty grotto
yup
sand kettle
I have a WA to track that for both tanks
lusty grotto
elvui raid frames display it well enough ;p
narrow abyss
Yeah the t23 wa makes tracking that ez
sand kettle
In my experience once you get to 5 stacks he doesnt even refresh the duration on it, so you basically swap at 5 to keep as much kelp going out as you can
coordinate with your raid lead on when to kelp, it DOES expire
so you want it on as soon as you have the dps actually swap to it
but not before
lusty grotto
i gotta say
blizz is doing a great job on raids this expansion
even though i have to pug them cause my guild is dead 😦
narrow abyss
The raids are good yea
lusty grotto
ive enjoyed every fight so far
narrow abyss
I dislike jaina
lusty grotto
well to be fair i havent gotten to jaina
but i got the gist of it
getting frozen on p2 and whatnot
narrow abyss
I’m only talking heroic. Nowhere near there on mythic prog haha
lusty grotto
yeah heroic
sand kettle
We had like 5 people left alive on our kill lmao
2 healers, 2 dps and me at like 5% hp
heavy chasm
That feel when your melee holler to move her
sand kettle
Tanking casters makes me wanna die
sand kettle
I can still get better but there feels like a few windows where theres just not enough time to drop your ice shard stacks
Both tanks taking her to like 11-12 and the duration is not expiring if you dont get a long cast in there
heavy chasm
There's a few where you have to let your co get a bit higher then ideal
To fully clear
Seems to happens mainly still on boat
Or that one rough overlap in 3
sand kettle
I have zero issues on boat because she casts ring of frost all the time
sometimes the avalanche swap can be rough but workable
heavy chasm
What's your co?
sand kettle
I've had a couple instanc
lusty grotto
im just glad she's not star augur 2.0
sand kettle
Prot pally
heavy chasm
I'm with a dk
sand kettle
In P2 she has it out for us sometimes
heavy chasm
And poor bastard got clipped by a dps dropping some shit on hin
Slowed him down too much and got fuckt by ava
sand kettle
tanks with shields are really well suited to getting hit by Jaina fortunately
it's nice when I can take the avalanche but I need to always leave leap up for it
I screw myself sometimes coming out of the first intermission
I need to remember to not leap there and get aggro so that avalanche is trivial
heavy chasm
I think we got her tonight
Once we iron out to leave us a designated spot to drop our ice
Rather then trip over the tunneling dps
Especially for my dk
sand kettle
When are you guys lusting?
heavy chasm
Wall
heavy chasm
Hmmm
sand kettle
like 3/4 of the raid gets frozen
and we lust for the aoe boys
it's also really clutch to clear your tank stacks in last phase
sand kettle
we had everyone stand in glacial ray at some point
if you can bust down the wall w/o lust it's totally worth it
heavy chasm
My RL doesnt actually listen to me though XD
sand kettle
You just get people to hold cd's leading into wall intermission
You can only burn it down "fast enough"
theres no benefit really to being faster
The exception being something like method's mythic strat where RDPS blast jaina during that intermission with lust while melee bust down the wall
modern brook
You were dead for 3.07% of the fight (0% is recommended) man i love warcraft analyzer
sturdy trench
any1 know how to pull the initiates in sots without pulling the windspeaker miniboss
?
modern brook
yeah hug the cliff
inch into them
run back when u they aggro
they dont proximity pull if u body pull for whatever reason
frozen ember
how have I never heard this gem
modern brook
@lusty grotto did u ever respond to my SotS idea?
umbral forge
Okay I'm gonna Spell Reflect cyclone strike.
DPS knows to interrupt Jolt.
Wish me luck 
lusty grotto
what was the question sorry
sand egret
@modern brook when you say hug the cliff, do you mean (looking at the windspeaker standing on the boss platform) to the right or go wide to the left (where the two Tempests are)?
modern brook
the cliff that will killyou
modern brook
furthest from boss
sand egret
ook, so on the chasm side
modern brook
and nim the idea is to use our big feet to kill the non-elites while the rest of the dungeon chills outside
to save 20s on death timers twice at the start
without losing % on ezpz pulls
sand egret
for the droplets?
modern brook
and the initiates in the open room
the idea being -> grab everything -> stomp
die on intiates
everyone comes back in
kill the templar w/ the casters
everyone leaves
mongo the droplets
do the rest of the dungeon like ur not a monkey
lusty grotto
hmm idk
sand egret
rip my repair bills
modern brook
Yeah i cant afford this strategy
sand egret
that's some richimon strats
modern brook
But im just thinking cause we def dont need help killing the non elites
lusty grotto
oh yeah
modern brook
and we want % towards non-casters in the first reap
I think mongo + 5s dt > slow DPS or Mongo +25s dt
or at least; thats the idea
plus u can save Healer CD's for the BIG mongo droplet pull before boss
that ones easier to do slow though
so
lusty grotto
seems worth a try
sullen coral
is there an average hps for m+ as prot?
lusty grotto
we're not BDKs
sullen coral
obviously
lusty grotto
i dont think anyone here keeps track of HPS
modern brook
Most of our mitigation doesnt show up on meters
Unless you're really trying to pump IPfor whatever reason
sand egret
No need to look at healing when you're preventing the damage in the first place 🤔
#justprotthings
sand egret
i'm telling you getting indestructible on your shield is valuetown
that's your 401k right there
modern brook
Im not that good
Im sitting at 400/420 split rn
weap shield
much better than my 390/355 split from uldir
rustic zodiac
hey pple I have seen prot warriors that use syphoning enchant on weapon
is that good?
rustic zodiac
ok
oblique garnet
i think the only one who uses siphoning is nerf but hes a dk main so he misses healing
upper spoke
hey. are u allowed just 1 dh per account?
sick sentinel
per server*
upper spoke
thanks for the info 😉
sick sentinel
well if your server is connected to multiple realms you can have one on each realm I believe
there are tricks to get multiple DHs in 1 server
I think deleting one and then making a different one and then un-deleting or something like that
look it up
austere oar
There was a bug using the character boost in character creation, like switching between normal and sesame while spamming enter
old night
Sick
modern brook
👎
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
😮
oblique garnet
The guild i got accepted as trial suddenly the other tank decided that he didnt want to go healer😪
oblique garnet
This is uldir all over again
modern brook
THats the trick late
just get in as a healer
and then prove ur a better tank by stealing aggro
lusty grotto
hmm
what profs for my rogue
i should drop this LW crap
thinking engi for sick brez
chilly brook
I finally resubbed last night
lusty grotto
wb griff
chilly brook
You right
sand egret
oh man I may actually tank a normal BoD tonight...
chilly brook
Except I have to be very deliberate with when I play WoW and for how long because I have obligations to play rainbow 6
sand egret
i'm nervous
narrow abyss
Haha
sand egret
what if i fall asleep while tanking
narrow abyss
Just last stand before u doze off
oblique garnet
Dont worry blade open up a stream on other screen and press 123
narrow abyss
Wonder if 2x bestial smash even kills u on normal
oblique garnet
It doesnt
sand egret
all i know is what ive done once in a LFR half-awake on my monk
steel mauve
It doesnt on heroic either
sand egret
so i'm just gonna wing it
chilly brook
I play too much r6 😳
oblique garnet
It does
It absolutely does one shot you in hc unless you get every single external
modern brook
literally how long i work
stone cloud
@oblique garnet I’ve literally took double with just LS and IP
oblique garnet
On hc?
Im pretty sure it hits like 400k the 2nd smash
Might just be ptsd from mythic where i died 11 times because the cotank didnt taunt
exotic spoke
I was able to take two smashes with only demo, block, and IP
stone cloud
Yikes
exotic spoke
I wanted to test it
stone cloud
Ya it was a pug when I did it
exotic spoke
On offnight shit
stone cloud
Other tank would let me take entire combo
glossy wind
hey new to prot, does bastion of might stack?
oblique garnet
Yes
stone cloud
So the IP was for the bleed lol
glossy wind
Ok, next question is it decent to have 2 of them?
chilly brook
All traits stack, it’s only a question of what part of it stacks
glossy wind
Ok
oblique garnet
Yes
glossy wind
Awesome thank you guys
exotic spoke
Heroic doesn’t hurt much on grong.
I think I took two on mythic cause of a fuck up yesterday
And started popping everything to survive
chilly brook
Callous isn’t bad, but there are better traits
chilly brook
None of the prot specific traits are inherently bad
exotic spoke
For m+ and raids
chilly brook
They’re just differing levels of good
chilly brook
Not really equal
Just some are better and others are worse but they’re all relatively good
exotic spoke
I was making a joke sorry.
Maybe viable would have been a better word
modern brook
3bom 1 dc 2 if for m+
chilly brook
#268491842637660160 has the rankings
glossy wind
I have a ton of 390 400 azerite gear
modern brook
you take ilvl over everything
chilly brook
What @modern brook said though
modern brook
❤
modern brook
you can start fishing for specific traits when you have 3 415s
I think you can drop 15 comfortably for first stack of DC
but its so common now it shouldnt be an issue
exotic spoke
I think that sounds right bull
chilly brook
That’s about the only thing you’d sacrifice if you didn’t have it was DC
chilly brook
The stat priority if ilvl is the same is in the guide
modern brook
Crit is technically the best defensive stat and also provides the largest damage increase but its inconsistent
chilly brook
But in general yes haste>verse>mast>crit
modern brook
Mast is strongest defensive vs blockable damage but also not 100% consistent
chilly brook
That being said don’t worry about it too much
chilly brook
Our stats are really good in general
exotic spoke
Yup.
modern brook
More stats is best stat
chilly brook
Like all our stats are very close together
modern brook
dont over value haste
glossy wind
Awesome , thank you all so much for all the info! You all rock!
modern brook
we all block* tyvm
chilly brook
Speaking of wow though I wanna die I did like a +6 when I had originally came back last month but didn’t really get around to playing much because I was so busy so I opened the chest last night and got a 395 Shield
Meanwhile all of Uldir I couldn’t replace my 370
modern brook
grats :^)
chilly brook
And I do it with dumb luck
modern brook
I went from 370 -> 400 on my shield
after being stuck at 355 til the last week before BoD
hearty chasm
does bastion of might stack?
narrow abyss
Yes
hearty chasm
is more worth than 2 deafening crash right ?
chilly brook
Considering mastery buffs your AP yes
hearty chasm
yea thoughts so just wanted to be sure
chilly brook
Unless you want pure damage you should really never have more than one DC
BoM while it offers an offensive benefit it also offers defensive benefits at the same time
teal stream
why do people use vial of animated blood when it sims such low dps?
lusty grotto
because sims are still being worked on
and should be taken with a huge grain of salt
the apl is not quite there yet
steel mauve
Sims are inaccurate, and shouldnt be fully trusted until there is an announcement about them, they are a WiP
lucid bough
vial is sooo good