protection

[sand egret]

ew

[primal crypt]

Wat

Lol

[lusty grotto]

did rocket runs every day with 8 chars for red rocket. still 0 rocket to this day and it ends tonight

[sand egret]

missing a TClap there

[supple path]

the tooltip was updating as soon as I got in range of stuff

and dropped to like 2.2

Short enough that it can go between tclaps without delaying, since trinkets don't invoke GCD the same way

[sand egret]

i had the rocket for a while early on, Nim. Really helped at lower gear levels get snap aggro on packs

[supple path]

wait nm it does go on gcd hah

that's hilarious

[lusty grotto]

no i meant the valentines mount blade

[sand egret]

ohhh

yeah, other big red thing

[lusty grotto]

its a big ole red... rocket

yes i suppose the freudian slip is intended

[sand egret]

Blizz loves them some inuendos

[brazen marten]

Hello
forgive what are the main statistics of the warrior protec ???
Is there any cap?

[sand egret]

no caps, but have you looked into the guides in the #268491842637660160 channel?

[lusty grotto]

take a look at the icy veins guide

[sand egret]

there's more detail about our stats and what not in there

[lusty grotto]

and i suppose it depends which statistics or probability you mean

[brazen marten]

okei thx guys

[old zephyr]

100%haste is the cap I Guess but outside of lust you'll never reach it

[supple path]

it's not

[lusty grotto]

there's no cap, it just diminishes

[sand egret]

maybe for gcds but you'll still get gains

[old zephyr]

If you have more than 100 % haste gcd becomes weirds

Yeah you still have gains

[lusty grotto]

gcds into the future

[sand egret]

that's the soft gcd cap

but the stat itself still provides value

[primal crypt]

We protec!

🐥

[lusty grotto]

yeah brudder

[supple path]

What would we need, ~180% haste for 100% shield block uptime?

[sick sentinel]

Any advice on skittish? Thanks in advance

[lusty grotto]

be a prot warrior... what is skittish?

[sand egret]

i got this

[modern brook]

That honestly has to be my faovrite ESL attempt I've ever seen

[sand egret]

ahem

[supple path]

Pre-cast avatar on the global before you pull so you can immediately tclap it all

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏

[lusty grotto]

good answer blade

[supple path]

And make sure your group is CDing when you're CDing, instead of a DH blowing eyebeam while you don't have avatar

[modern brook]

Do 15k dps

🤷

[supple path]

If you want an actual serious response

[old zephyr]

15k dps lol

More like 25

[modern brook]

I'm just trying to hold aggro sav

[supple path]

It also gets a lot easier if you have tricks/MD going on.

[modern brook]

not trying to parse

[old zephyr]

Oh right

[exotic spoke]

I don’t speak text blade... I get the last part but what the fuck are the first two supposed to be

[old zephyr]

By why though

[sand egret]

you'll get it

[exotic spoke]

I’m old man... I’m not with it

[wary gyro]

That's how we say thunderclap here

[modern brook]

Just read it man

[sick sentinel]

Ok cool so basically mass AOE, have my rogue tricks on CD, and I should be good?

[modern brook]

@exotic spoke

[old zephyr]

Clap is beautyfull

[modern brook]

u can do it :^)

[sand egret]

yep

[shell falcon]

Hey as Prot is the stam on a 10 ilvl upgrade worth more than a socket? I have two of the same rings

I would gain about as much Stam as I would lose in haste

[exotic spoke]

I know it’s avatar / charge / thunderclap I just don’t know how it relates lol

[supple path]

And also remember that taunt increases your threat generated on the target for a couple seconds, so it can be great for 'locking' one mob in a pack down and being able to focus on others

[old zephyr]

I'd go socket

[exotic spoke]

Oh booty clap

[modern brook]

🙌

[exotic spoke]

I’m fucking retarded

[wary gyro]

I would say it's a bit of a tossup pearly

[sand egret]

if you're having trouble after that, make sure you're prioritizing TClap during Avatar windows, taunting problematic mobs (generally the target your high dps is targeting), as well as being aware that Heroic Leap can be used in a pinch to reset Taunt's cooldown.

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel as a prot warrior, if your dps is pulling off you regularly, you're A. Not swapping targets to generate priority threat or B. Outgeared.

[sand egret]

which is all secondary to: Bootyclap the shit out of the pack and forget the affix exists

[modern brook]

If you have a rouge or a hunter aggro should never be an issue period

[wary gyro]

Wait has heroic leap always done that

[modern brook]

without you just gotta aoe a bit harder and be ready to taunt off eye beams

[supple path]

The #1 problem I have on skittish is DPS opening with their CDs while mine are down, to be honest.

[primal crypt]

Just make sure to spread your slams to various targets

[sand egret]

@exotic spoke I had faith in you.

[exotic spoke]

I runnwith a DH and he’s already admitted this week he expects to pull occasionally - when he has blur and other CDs up

[modern brook]

@supple path thats a "my dps are neanderthalic monkeys" issue

[exotic spoke]

Thanks blade! I was trying to figure out how that related to the actual answer lol

[supple path]

and my dps being neanderthals is basically always the #1 problem yes

[primal crypt]

Well if they're pulling for you

Then you might have issues

[modern brook]

If your DPS is opening with CDs

[exotic spoke]

But; knows that’s him pushing it and he’ll end up tanking for a bit as I regain it

[modern brook]

During skittish

[primal crypt]

They just need to learn to play their role

[modern brook]

👀

[exotic spoke]

So we’ll be fine.

[supple path]

Yeah bull. But it's something new tanks need to be aware of, because it's a classic DPS move during skittish week lol

[sand egret]

tbf, that DH shouldn't really be able to pull off ya for any substantial amount of time

[exotic spoke]

Oh he won’t. Just for the few seconds until the second clap goes off.

I don’t see issues with this week personally

[sand egret]

yeah, that's usually the killer

[modern brook]

but i mean

he can easily hold eye beam for 2 gc's

and not lose damage

[exotic spoke]

But he’s only doing it with blur up

[modern brook]

or take aggro

[sand egret]

that's like saying hold TClap

we both know that aint happenin

[modern brook]

very different

one has a cd

[sand egret]

so him Bluring is the best way 😃

[old zephyr]

I hold clap for ss on boss though

[exotic spoke]

To be fair - he’s not doing it if his defensives aren’t up

He knows that if he dies it’s his fault. And we’ve agreed to try it out

[sand egret]

works in my book

[modern brook]

🤷

whatever times ur keys

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much. That and then the multitude of aoe stuns preventing damage from going out so during that whomever has threat isn’t an issue

Until after the stuns end lol

[sand egret]

it's hard enough to find a DH with half a brain, so if yours is doing this intentionally....don't rock the boat, i'd say.

(being smart about defensives, that is)

[modern brook]

I subtract 300 from DH io scores

[supple path]

"The Demon Hunter, seen here in its natural environment eye-beaming a bunch of low hp yellow mobs on inc during bolster week..."

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, he knows when he can push and when he can’t. We run myself, DH, shadow, frost mage, Reston Druid

[sand egret]

"Still completely unaware they get resources from interrupts"

[lusty grotto]

ah yes the Reston, VI druid

[brave mauve]

"Still completely unaware they get resources from interrupts"
👏

[exotic spoke]

I just started doing keys again and pushing last week after not doing them.

He’s pretty good.

Auto correct! Reston is a place near me so it changed Resto to it

[sand egret]

i just picture that Resto having a French accent.

[modern brook]

im gonna dox the fuck out of u now riki

#protection ur data

[exotic spoke]

Lol. It’s in Virginia. Go ahead bro.

[sand egret]

(what's dox again)

[exotic spoke]

Near is a relative term.

[modern brook]

wait im joking plz dont hate me :^(

[brave mauve]

means he breaks into your home and deletes your final fantasy 9 memory card

[lusty grotto]

another virginia dude yamo!

[exotic spoke]

Whoa Epyawn that’s too far

Actually not VA... but close to it

[modern brook]

When i was a kid

I was playing ff9

and disk 1 broke

2 days after i finished with it

and then my brother deleted my save data

[brave mauve]

get dunked on

[modern brook]

so that one hits close to home man

[lusty grotto]

i hope you broke his face

[sand egret]

i mean, you didn't have a backup card?

[modern brook]

no i just played 7 🤷

[lusty grotto]

excuse me... "deleted" his face

[sand egret]

I was so paranoid of that I always had a backup card with all my saves

[lusty grotto]

i didnt have a backup card

cause my brother knew

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

if he ever fucked with my saves

[vocal skiff]

I was so happy during ToS when I found out the small mobs in the orb room don't burst

[exotic spoke]

I didn’t either because my friends and family weren’t barbarians

[primal crypt]

I was just in reston

[lusty grotto]

he was gonna get bootyclapped to africa

[exotic spoke]

I’m sorry?

[primal crypt]

Literally 30 min ago

[vocal skiff]

I was going to go carefully and then when they didn't burst I thought "time to unleash the clap"

[exotic spoke]

Definitely sorry then.

[lusty grotto]

hey

[primal crypt]

Hey

[lusty grotto]

reston is a good hanging out place

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Ehhhh

I’m spoiled

[lusty grotto]

happy hour time was great

[sand egret]

Nim, Shrine on Reaping. Didn't you mention that you found a better route?

I did it last night and it was not pleasant

[lusty grotto]

i have a route, yes

i timed yesterday with pugs

[primal crypt]

Reston is fake upscale

[modern brook]

Shrine route is buns

[lusty grotto]

that's true yamo

i fixed it a little bull

[modern brook]

Big fan of that skip on the windcaller nim

[primal crypt]

Trying to be a fake DC

Shrine is dangerous this week

So many non elites

[sand egret]

you skip her/

[exotic spoke]

I was just in DC Sunday for the caps game and then did M+ when I got home a little buzzed

[modern brook]

you can on fort

where she takes 90s for no reason

[exotic spoke]

I hate shrine regardless of affixes

[primal crypt]

You skip her refardless lol

[sand egret]

just shroud her i presume?

[primal crypt]

When any of those elites reap it's a time sink

So you skip all of them

[modern brook]

yam is so smart

[lusty grotto]

shrine this week is a no for me dawg

[exotic spoke]

Yeah? Insist pot past or shroud?

[primal crypt]

Rune carver, windspeaker, bridge ele

[modern brook]

u grab the adds around windspeaker separately

[primal crypt]

^

[modern brook]

then u can hug the edge around her

[sand egret]

ohh, so CC her > Pull adds?

[modern brook]

no

[primal crypt]

No cc

[modern brook]

like

[primal crypt]

Just body pull the adda

[modern brook]

you can aggro the small guys by approaching really carefully

[exotic spoke]

Can you do all of those if you don’t have a rogue and have to rely on invis pots?

[modern brook]

@primal crypt can you make a list of skips? I wanna make a video of this shit

[primal crypt]

Yup

[sand egret]

oh so she isn't linked to her minions?

[modern brook]

cause this needs to be a resource

[primal crypt]

I can record them today

Like the stutter step

[lusty grotto]

body pull only works

if you are very close to edge

[primal crypt]

Just clips

[lusty grotto]

do not try from front

you will fail and pull windspeaker

[steep moss]

If u run to the left / edge of the balcony u can body pull , then run past after

Once u killed adds

[modern brook]

^ thats the best description so far lol

[sand egret]

i think i got it

[lusty grotto]

can mount up after, and hop the pillars

and its an ez skip

[modern brook]

And that'd be sick yam i just didnt wanna pass that buck to you

[steep moss]

Ye have to jump on pillars

[ocean acorn]

is there a clip of that

[primal crypt]

Yup it's no biggie

[sand egret]

totally pass the buck.

[exotic spoke]

Oh nice

[sand egret]

he drinks yogurt coffee

[primal crypt]

Ill show all the skips we do

In clips

[sand egret]

he's born for this shit

[modern brook]

Oh dont get me wrong blade

he deserves the buck

but he also doesnt need the videos as bad as me

lol

[ocean acorn]

well my grp isnt two rogues

[exotic spoke]

So, how about the tune carver and bridge ele. Just shroud / invis pot past them?

[sand egret]

yeah any non-rogue required skips would be cool

[modern brook]

u shroud rune carver

bridge ele is fucking weird

I couldnt get it to work

[primal crypt]

You can do them with single rogue

[sand egret]

i don't have a rogue in my rag-tag group I run

[lusty grotto]

bridge ele pull is a nono

[ocean acorn]

what if i have no rogues

[primal crypt]

You can do bridge ele

[exotic spoke]

So shroud rune and kill bridge or kill time and shroud ele?

[primal crypt]

Withoutnrogue too

[ocean acorn]

how

[primal crypt]

You're the one that pulls

And your group runs

[lusty grotto]

hold up

this is simple i have a route i fixed

[ocean acorn]

u pull out and die?

[primal crypt]

Pull forward

[modern brook]

Screen it nim

[primal crypt]

The only one you cant skip is runecarver, you have to invis pot that one

[lusty grotto]

i do 1st reap on starting room instead of stairs

stairs is retarded

[primal crypt]

Who's mdt is that?

[lusty grotto]

mine

[primal crypt]

Couple of fixes for time

[lusty grotto]

ill invite you guys to group and share tonight

[primal crypt]

Especially this week since it's tyrannical

[modern brook]

How do you draw the lines in MDT?

[exotic spoke]

Awesome thanks man

[modern brook]

i havent been able to figure that out :^(

[primal crypt]

Top of mdt

Arrow drop down

For drawing tools

[modern brook]

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

would be sweet if i could just upload to wago like rio does

[exotic spoke]

And for ele, we end up dying right - when the group sneaks by?

[primal crypt]

Yup

If no rogue to vanish

[exotic spoke]

Mage invis?

[primal crypt]

You pull and die shen they're safe

Mage is kinda meh

Too squish

[ocean acorn]

u pull it to the right?

[primal crypt]

Pull it forward

Uptowards boss

[ocean acorn]

they go left?

[primal crypt]

They go left

[ocean acorn]

wb the pat

[modern brook]

Yam i tried that with nim and i died to getting punched

through parry cd

[lusty grotto]

1 sec guys

figuring out how to import to wago

[modern brook]

nim hit the export button

pm the code to yam

ezpz

[exotic spoke]

Back to serious things... nim and Yamo... caps... better than prot warriors right now or as good

[modern brook]

??

[lusty grotto]

nah

[exotic spoke]

I’m just being silly since they are close by

[lusty grotto]

i dont think im anywhere close, maybe if i had a team

[exotic spoke]

Oh I thought you were VA - my bad

[lusty grotto]

anyway this route was super inspired by yamo so credit on him

OH

va

i was

i go there every year

im in PR now

planning to move back soon (tm)

[exotic spoke]

Fair fair

Lol

[lusty grotto]

its complicated

im trying to pass some tests to move back with my ex who lives in chantilly

but yeah... complicated hehe

[modern brook]

😢

[lusty grotto]

i do go every year to mclean, thats where most of my friends live nowadays

between mclean and centreville

[primal crypt]

Yeah, im in Chantilly right now for work but I live in Manassas

Btw, cant do anything with mdt

Im on my phone

[modern brook]

dont text and drive yam

[lusty grotto]

my aunt lived in manassas, but she moved to bumfuck south virginia, dunno i think i've mentioned that

[exotic spoke]

At work possibly 😛

[lusty grotto]

so as it turns out

you can make MDT routes in wago

but you cannot import them from the game lol

https://wago.io/build-new-mdt/shrine-of-the-storm/week5

or just copy my key

i wont paste it here cause its quite long

inc pastebin

[oblique garnet]

interesting route

[lusty grotto]

https://pastebin.com/3y3MSG2s

[primal crypt]

Yeah im at work

[oblique garnet]

i Wouldnt skip winspeaker tbh

[primal crypt]

Have to go into the office tues/frid

[lusty grotto]

@exotic spoke @modern brook and @tidal quarry

[primal crypt]

Hige bummer

[lusty grotto]

why not late

[oblique garnet]

its relatively easy to kill

[lusty grotto]

it is, but it takes too long on fort

just time better spent on other stuff

[oblique garnet]

you can reflect the windblast

[lusty grotto]

ya

[oblique garnet]

also you dont want to do the droplets on bursting

[exotic spoke]

So copy that string into MDT?

[lusty grotto]

this was the route for last week though

have to modify it a lot for this week

yes use import and paste it there

[exotic spoke]

Yeah yeah

[lusty grotto]

read the numbers too :p

there are some fixes i have to do like not pulling neutrals with casters before 1st boss etc

[exotic spoke]

Started out of curiosity for the skips, but having a route like that for non bursting is cool.

Didn’t know the three bigger mobs where skippable

[lusty grotto]

at least with those affixes AND bursting

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, it’s easy to tweak

[lusty grotto]

you can also skip... the 2 Deathbringers with double cc

and instead do the 2 big tentacles

[oblique garnet]

you dont want to do those on sanguine

[lusty grotto]

though that pack is challenging in itself

[oblique garnet]

ever

[exotic spoke]

We just skipped the bridge entirely last week

Invis pot run

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto you copied the tentacles

We were doing that as a test

[lusty grotto]

i didnt

[primal crypt]

See how bad the pull would be

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt gonna kill them lol

im scared of them

[primal crypt]

Yeah, they ug

Kinda suck

We learned though

Their sanguine is far enough away from each other

If you kill one tentacle before the other

[oblique garnet]

Thats not the problem

With necrotic you cant reset your stacks

You run too far away you end up killing your team

[primal crypt]

That too lmao

But

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah their hits are zonewide

[primal crypt]

I had trees and bop

So we killed them with no issues, did we like it? Nope

We're going to tidy up shrine a bit more for cleaner reaps

The last reap at 80%is the worst one

Almost 40-60seconds gone

[exotic spoke]

I believe it. You get 100% on eels after final boss right?

[modern brook]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

yup

basically the only dungeon you do end-reap is underrot lol

and its a partial one

[modern brook]

I havent figured out how to KR

[lusty grotto]

hmm

well you can in KR

but i dont know if it's smart

since KR reapings are low mobs

so they are quite easy

[wary gyro]

How do you skip the last reaping in TD

[modern brook]

cannons

[lusty grotto]

and trying to skip last reaping there is kind of more of a hassle than just doing it

[exotic spoke]

^^

I still hate that last trash pull of bwomsamdi

Cannons negate it really:

[lusty grotto]

you mean zul?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that guy

[wary gyro]

Ah the true end boss of KR

[modern brook]

has anyone figured out what allows you to dodge the someone is losing their head dot the 3rd bitch throws out

I've seen people not get hit by it

unsure if its movement or evasion etc

[primal crypt]

Parry

Evasion

Riposte

[modern brook]

Follow up

[wary gyro]

It's definitely not movement

[primal crypt]

Cant range it though

[modern brook]

is there a WA for X targeted by it?

[primal crypt]

There might be

[modern brook]

or rather is it possible to make a similar wa

[primal crypt]

But little wigs shows who

[modern brook]

I use DBM like a big nerd

[primal crypt]

Not sure then

You can see target of target

For bleed too

[modern brook]

Wil lit always be target of target?

[distant crystal]

i need champs to be good to me today for the triple bastion dream

[sand egret]

she targets the person for the cast, so yeah

[modern brook]

cause i can make the WA off that

[primal crypt]

Yup

Always target of target

[modern brook]

tyty

[primal crypt]

Rogs can vanish it too

But it will insta switch

I think

Havent tested to be sure

[sand egret]

get that blade dance reactions

[primal crypt]

Feign death as well

Oh right, blade dance it

Thats the best one

Blade dance skips everything

[distant crystal]

blade dance can dodge it for other ppl right?

[lusty grotto]

huh

no

[primal crypt]

Not the bleed no

Just for themselves

[distant crystal]

ohh was thinking the run through, but even that i think only dodges the soak dmg for the dh

[primal crypt]

Correct

And they can solo soak the run through

If it's on them

They can also taunt blur the debilitating backhand

And live

[chilly brook]

Man I’m gonna hate my life the rest of the week

Cutting out soda cold turkey

[primal crypt]

Hi griff :)

Good for you

[chilly brook]

Hi yam

[primal crypt]

Soda is bad

[sand egret]

good call

[chilly brook]

So bad

[distant crystal]

you're gonna hate soda after a bit

[chilly brook]

Yet sooooo good

[distant crystal]

gonna taste like pancake syrup and you'll prefer water

book it

[chilly brook]

Boi I never did hate it

[sand egret]

once you get to the "fuzzy teeth" stage of life

you won't miss it

[primal crypt]

I gave up alcohol accidently

[undone sun]

hmmm

[chilly brook]

There was a point where I literally cut it out for a year and never hated it

[primal crypt]

And havent touched sodas either

Lol

I used to crave a 24 pk of cold ones with the boys

Now it's juice boxes

[chilly brook]

It’s like the one thing that I just probably gotta cut out for good and just never touch again

[primal crypt]

Do it

Get juice boxes

With animals on the boxes

[distant crystal]

it's pretty awful stuff

although juice ain't much better

water ftw

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

i tried quitting cold turkey cigarettes last week

[chilly brook]

Honestly last time I cut out soda the way I did it was just have one of those huge powder kegs of Gatorade and just drop a scoop in water if I had the craving

[primal crypt]

High fructose juice with extra sucrose

[modern brook]

#protection ur body

[primal crypt]

We protec!

[distant crystal]

apple juice is nature's HFCS :p

[sand egret]

seltzer is a great way to ween

[modern brook]

dude

seltzer is gods gift

its delicious

[primal crypt]

Oh man I love seltzer

[modern brook]

and is basically water

[primal crypt]

Seltzer is amazing

I used to hate the stuff

[sand egret]

my job has a fridge full of free seltzer, I've been using that myself

[primal crypt]

Isnt there a seltzer home machine

[modern brook]

stay away from lemon lime though, griff

if ur using it ween

[primal crypt]

I gotta get one of those

[sand egret]

yam you can make your own seltzers

[modern brook]

Lemon Lime seltzer == flat sprite 🤷

[lusty grotto]

eww

[primal crypt]

I dont like alkaseltzer

Lel

[sand egret]

yo, for Vial....does the 1.5 min cooldown not desync to holy hell?

[primal crypt]

Nah

[chilly brook]

By seltzer I’m assuming you mean sparkling water?

[primal crypt]

2 seconds at most

[sand egret]

both are base 1.5

[primal crypt]

As long as you pop on cd

[sand egret]

but one is getting a solid 30+ seconds shaved off

[chilly brook]

Am I right? Or am I thinking of something else?

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook sparkling water yes

[modern brook]

https://skillet.lifehacker.com/the-difference-between-club-soda-seltzer-and-sparkling-1787683786

[chilly brook]

That stuff is actually gross tbh

[distant crystal]

yeah not a fan

got a brita filter and i put that thing to work

[chilly brook]

It was all over Italy wasn’t a fan

[modern brook]

italy is gross

so it makes

[undone sun]

wat

[lusty grotto]

the problem is that

in france/italy for example you get sparkling water that's at weather temperature?

so its like eh

especially during summer

at least that's how it was when i went but that was decades ago

[modern brook]

also could easily have been tonic

[lusty grotto]

dunno it was quite a few years ago so i probably can't tell the difference

[modern brook]

u know u made a good drink when u mix it with alcohol to make it taste better

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest bull

i dont want it to taste better

its just an excuse to colorize your alcohol

😉

like my cheapest go to is rum and coke

[modern brook]

;^)

[lusty grotto]

its like

[modern brook]

Vodka tonic is my cheap go to

[lusty grotto]

|-------------------------------| rum, |---| coke

[modern brook]

because no one brings gin to house parties

[lusty grotto]

hehe

thats true

[distant crystal]

snoop disagrees

[lusty grotto]

byod and amaze the peoples

[modern brook]

I honestly just bring a 60 dollar scotch and get fucked up on natty ice and then beat up ppls boyfriends in melee

[lusty grotto]

haha

that seems like a great time

[primal crypt]

Chasers and mixers LUL

[lusty grotto]

yamo

[primal crypt]

on the rocks or slam them shots

[lusty grotto]

would you recommend vaping to quitting smokes

[primal crypt]

Absolutely, no jokes.

I smoked from 11-26

[modern brook]

recent studies have shown it to be fairly non-harmful to the lungs after extended daily use

[primal crypt]

Vaped from 26-30

[lusty grotto]

i need a new vape, i have a shitty eGo that tastes like shit and is probably broken

[primal crypt]

And quit everything

[modern brook]

get a pen

my friends are big pen fiends

juuls*

or whatever

IDK

[primal crypt]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

fucking juuls

[primal crypt]

Juuls is terrible

They were bought out by big tobacco lol

[modern brook]

:^(

I thought they were big juul tbh

[primal crypt]

Juul is actually trying to shut down all other vape related businesses

No more flavors

No more making your own juice

[modern brook]

TBH i hate the flavors

[distant crystal]

best juices are subtle flavors

[modern brook]

if i have to walk through ur cookie dough ass breath 🤢

[distant crystal]

kinda wanted to try some flavorless

vg/pg/nic and dassit

[primal crypt]

If you need any help Nim, i worked in the vape industry for a while. I worked for Vaperz Cloud

[sick sentinel]

fucked my 18 shrine

time for 17 shirne

lol

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel lel

[sick sentinel]

we fucked up both the skips

[modern brook]

hell yeah kaege

[lusty grotto]

lol

[primal crypt]

Sounds awesome

[modern brook]

the waterfall skip is hard :/

[sick sentinel]

we now went on m0 and absolutely nailed them

[modern brook]

I've just been warlocking them

[sick sentinel]

and now we will go in 17

[distant crystal]

i've nefver actually succeeded the waterfall skip

idk if my toon is too fat or what

tried it heaps in 0, gave up

[lusty grotto]

bull kinda taught me the right way

if you go with momentum you're fucked

[modern brook]

💪

[lusty grotto]

cause you will fly forward

and agro shit

[modern brook]

I def think character size matters

[distant crystal]

S-key it?

[primal crypt]

No mounting

[modern brook]

cause i cant do it on my warrior

[lusty grotto]

hmm 🤔

[modern brook]

but my dainty ass rogue can do it out of stealth

[sick sentinel]

you can't s key it if your S is bound to a spell

[distant crystal]

i mean i know toon size can matter for some things

[primal crypt]

I was able to

[lusty grotto]

my s-key is a spell

i just tap w

[primal crypt]

On tauren

[modern brook]

RP walk it

[distant crystal]

in nelth's lair gnomes and dwarfs can walk under a rock

that nobody else could

[modern brook]

in the night born one fem undead couldnt jump

[distant crystal]

i couldn't on my femdorf either

[modern brook]

idef think RP walk is the consistent answer

[distant crystal]

i'd get stuck in the canal lol

[kindred pine]

Do you want to use SB on CD or save it for blockable abilities?

[final dove]

Did they fix ToS first boss reflect cheese?

[modern brook]

If you use SB during a period of time when you take no blockable damage

it servers to reduce cooldowns by 3s

thats it

no reason to burn the charge during those times

@final dove they did

Cyclone strike consumes SR; no damage is reflected, i believe you still take the damage as well

[final dove]

F

[modern brook]

I learned it literally the day before they fixed it :/

[undone sun]

that lasted long...

[primal crypt]

@modern brook @final dove still works

Just cant reflect your own

[modern brook]

i thought it was found to be fixeD?

[primal crypt]

If it targets your party member, you can reflect

If it targets you, you die

Lol

[modern brook]

thats some arbitrary meshit

[undone sun]

🍝

[modern brook]

🍜

[primal crypt]

But yeah. It works

Just did it yesterday

[distant crystal]

there's a dummy spell

if it targets you you reflect the dummy

and it's consumed

but...if it's not targetting you, you can just like, stand in it? and you don't take dmg?

does it truck the boss too?

[primal crypt]

You reflect it

And kill boss

[lusty grotto]

i did it yesterday

on my last run

[primal crypt]

The cyclone strike

[modern brook]

U gotta cant ur body

:^|

[distant crystal]

oh like

[primal crypt]

CANT the body

[lusty grotto]

grabbed 3 chinese dudes and a rdruid

[primal crypt]

Lol

[distant crystal]

you reflect all of them by being really close

[lusty grotto]

group was going great, did 2x cyclones each time

[distant crystal]

and literally kill the boss or just nuke?

[lusty grotto]

and then they fucked up orb room

so i alt+f4'd

[distant crystal]

sounds like i need to go play around in tos 0

[lusty grotto]

you cant

you need a buddy

[modern brook]

I refuse to do the orb room without a ro gue

[lusty grotto]

if it targets you it doesnt work

[distant crystal]

i have buddies :p

[modern brook]

Sapping the close Gaurdians make it near-fucktard-proof

[lusty grotto]

orb room sigh

[distant crystal]

i wanna do the skip last two reapings trick

[lusty grotto]

people dont understand that orb dudes dont have agro tables and they make a beeline for whoever has the orb

so they just keep waddling like retards

[distant crystal]

fucked up the % last time

[lusty grotto]

this group threw an orb

and it landed on one of the columns

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto between BDK and monk it's pretty great

[lusty grotto]

so i went, nah this aint happening

[neon tangle]

monk can do their teleport thing

[lusty grotto]

yeah monk does it np

[neon tangle]

BDK can grip the guardian and it doesn't drop the orb

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god

every time i get a seth key

i do the same thing

"guys for orb room im gonna pull everything and lightfoot the fuck out"

"DO NOT DPS, DO NOT HEAL, just run orbs"

they dps

they heal

orb room fails

[neon tangle]

looool

[lusty grotto]

only person i do seth keys well is with my brother

since hes a MW monk

so he knows exactly what to do and he does it fast

[keen galleon]

Or you can just burn the extra 45s and do it slowly instead of bricking the key in a pug because you tried to get fancy

[modern brook]

can u lightfoot the orbs?

[lusty grotto]

uhh no idea

i just lightfoot to grab mobs

[modern brook]

i assume not

just curious, never tried

[lusty grotto]

well you could get on a druid

if you're not in combat

[modern brook]

in fairness zaeron

thats not really fancy

its just the easiest way to do the room

[lusty grotto]

last week?

there was no way

nowhere to run to with necrotic

you needed RoP/Trees/BoP

or you were fucked

[keen galleon]

You just kill the shit.

[modern brook]

if u had a resto for ursols u could reset

but then u had a resto

[keen galleon]

It takes like 2mins total.

[modern brook]

who could run them in travel form

so 🤷

[lusty grotto]

zaeron that's what every single pug says

and it always fails

because people fail at running and passing orbs

"we can just dps them down"... uh huh okay

[kindred pine]

If you do not need SB does it go to IP to cap>Revenge as far as rage spent?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[modern brook]

basically yeah

RAge becomes defensive or offensive value when you dont need to sink into SB

[lusty grotto]

but theres not a lot of scenarios where that's the case, i can think of a few bosses and that's it

[modern brook]

being IP or revenge

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto they're so slow though

you can deffo reset w/o much issue

Especially if you have dps help

[distant crystal]

dwarf racial was pretty sweet last week

"you need to reset!!!!1" "k done"

[lusty grotto]

for sure

[primal crypt]

You cant get more than 99 stacks

Of necrotic

Just sayin

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[distant crystal]

learned that in orb room did ya?

[primal crypt]

Just sayin

And you want a bop

Just sayin lol

[lusty grotto]

haha

[distant crystal]

ooh that reminds me

i need a cancelaura bop button

pally friend was hating me

[lusty grotto]

bootyclap cancel aura ftw

[distant crystal]

so if i get champ chest today

3x deafening 3x bastion

clap clap clap

[lusty grotto]

i.. actually swapped out of one of my DCs

to IF

[distant crystal]

that's prob what i'll pick on the chest tbh

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[distant crystal]

i like to die a lot

[lusty grotto]

while the DC damage is good

i feel like i need just a tad more surv

[reef fulcrum]

do you know the uptime of the tradewinds trait?

or the cd

I couldn't check it today

[distant crystal]

wowhead says 30%

in the sole comment for that trait

[undone sun]

~1rppm

[reef fulcrum]

ok, thanks

[broken roost]

I'm running 2x IF and 2x BFI :(

[lusty grotto]

why the frowny face

turn that frown upside down

😃

[distant crystal]

😦

the emoji ruins my joke

:p

[exotic spoke]

Could be worse!

[olive lotus]

@lusty grotto when you lightfoot around the last room in temple do you aggro the orb defenders or avoid them?

[lusty grotto]

i get everything

if you have a rogue thoughj

can just get some cc's on them

[distant crystal]

have you guys done the thing where you trigger reap w/ second orb

deathrun to boss

[exotic spoke]

Sigh, just got a response from blizzard....

No tourney realm for me

[distant crystal]

and skip last 2 reaps??

[lusty grotto]

the farther they are from people before they start, the better

eh?

what do you mean skip the last 2 reaps?

[olive lotus]

Sap works, should my rogue use blind on the other as well?

[lusty grotto]

hmm @modern brook

[distant crystal]

if you do your route properly so that the 2nd orb placement triggers the 80% reap

then you deathrun to the boss immediately

when you rez the reap mobs are out of aggro range

[lusty grotto]

i mean

i deathrun/shroud to last boss every time

[distant crystal]

kill boss, pull trash in w/ the buff, and you win

[lusty grotto]

yeah that part is pretty common

[distant crystal]

you have to do a couple shrouds early to get the % right

[lusty grotto]

but not sure why you would want to trigger the reaping in orb room

yes

[distant crystal]

because you're deathrunning anyway

[lusty grotto]

you have to skip 2nd pack to 1st boss

[distant crystal]

and when you rez the mobs are so far they won't aggro

[lusty grotto]

doing the pack just before the 1st boss as well

[modern brook]

why am i pinged?

[lusty grotto]

read the line just before the mention

[modern brook]

@primal crypt ppl are asking about ur route skip

[lusty grotto]

no

[modern brook]

I dont agree with the skip in the first place tbh

[lusty grotto]

this is orb room rogue thingie

[modern brook]

OH

[lusty grotto]

wtf

[primal crypt]

Blind will put them in combat

[modern brook]

I dont read man

[primal crypt]

If you run by

[modern brook]

You sap the one that you're starting on

your team grabs that orb

u stay in stealth to the other

and sap the one there

then help however its needed

if you start right

you can instead sap the one near by

then blind the one that spawns

vanish

sap the one near the next orb

[primal crypt]

Double sap double blind

Drop both eyes at one time

Reap and die

Lel

That sounds amazing

[modern brook]

I dont think there are 2 on the left side

I've never seen a 2nd spawn

[primal crypt]

We always have two spawn :(

[distant crystal]

shroud the 2 middle packs in left hall at entrance

[primal crypt]

I don't know where he comes from

[distant crystal]

shroud the platform before lightning boss

2nd eye triggers reaping, deathrun to boss

[lusty grotto]

eh

[modern brook]

there are 2 gaurdians invis near the orbs

[distant crystal]

last 2 reapings skipped

[lusty grotto]

there are 2 shrouds, the rest i dont think are needed at all

[modern brook]

i think that 3rd spawns in when the first is grabbed

[distant crystal]

i mean you avoid killing the 80% reap

free time

and you avoid sitting around waiting for the mobs to get there

[primal crypt]

Btw, you can skip a lot of the mobs in the orb room

They have the smallest aggro radius

[distant crystal]

ye

[primal crypt]

If you want to shimmy your way around

[distant crystal]

do that often on runbacks

[primal crypt]

@modern brook i think you're right

[distant crystal]

you can get all the way to the skull without stealth or anything, except

then there's mobs :p

[primal crypt]

This week should be quite a bit of fun

Trying new things

Bursting will definitely slow things down though

[modern brook]

bursting is a healer problem

[distant crystal]

lol

[modern brook]

no fort = quad pulls

keep up plz

[primal crypt]

Look at all them warriors

[urban walrus]

Yikes a bear?

[distant crystal]

i was a warrior before it was good

[lusty grotto]

theres a bear!

[distant crystal]

scuffin keys in 2018

[modern brook]

bear grip > gorefiends tbh

[distant crystal]

plus there's tricks so you cna hold aggro

[primal crypt]

Y tho

[opal peak]

imagine playing any other tank class in m+ other than bear

yikes

[lusty grotto]

wew

so edgy haha

have you placed yamo?

[opal peak]

it's like people enjoy playing the "how long until forced name change" game

[lusty grotto]

lol yea

[primal crypt]

Im at work

Team wont be doing keys until after raid

Mostly likely after thursday

But it's just 14s

5x14

[sand egret]

im so on TeamBear

[primal crypt]

We havent even decided on a team name xD

[modern brook]

Team Bullfango is a cool guy

though i may be biased

[vocal skiff]

Shrine begins, I say: I will not pull droplets (except those near 1st boss). I start pulling and dps tab targets every droplet in the route

[modern brook]

"Tank u know droplets burst thiw week right?"

[opal peak]

just use defensives 4Head

also, solid name idea imo @modern brook

[modern brook]

TY

[lusty grotto]

yeah melarius that is pretty much what happens every time

[lucid bough]

shrine dropplets burst?

[lusty grotto]

they do

but they dont bolster

its weird

or it could be the other way around

[modern brook]

they bolster

[lucid bough]

nice design

[modern brook]

they just dont bolster non-yellows

[lucid bough]

why would it burst

[lusty grotto]

OHHH yeah sorry, bull is right

[modern brook]

Ohh

another good team name

[lusty grotto]

same thing happens in TD

[modern brook]

Team Bullfango was right

[outer dew]

@sand egret my bear actually has decent traits

2x layered mane, 2x twisted claw, burst of savagery, and masterful instincts

[neon tangle]

welp, my guild won't be 2x DK any more, my co-tank is retiring

[outer dew]

riiiiiiiiiip

[neon tangle]

and we're getting a shiny new prot warrior

[astral crystal]

Is it you?

[neon tangle]

it's not me 😦

[primal crypt]

Is it you?

[astral crystal]

Boo

[primal crypt]

🙆

[outer dew]

you need a bear :^)

[neon tangle]

another guildee leveled a prot so we're gonna swap em out

and it's one of our better players, so should be a net-positive to the guild

@outer dew I mean I'd take a bear

We're not exactly a CE guild, so who cares

[outer dew]

i don't know

in the non ce guilds

[native pawn]

So I have engi helm, 415 shoulders with CR/BS, BoM. and 415 chest with IF/DC, BoM, should I get a random 415 chest or shoulders?

[outer dew]

they stress mroe about classes sometimes

[native pawn]

the chest has IF but shit inner ring traits

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I mean @shut summit's guild was world 108 w/ a bear + prot warrior in uldir

if they can do it who am I to complain

[outer dew]

i'd personally reroll shoulders

[sand egret]

Damn Tofu, nice pull on the 2x TC. WF is where its at

[outer dew]

mhmm

gonna become a m+ machine on bear

gonna git that NA Alliance bear #1

i think it's 1700

LMAO

[opal peak]

BIG

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I believe in you, carry that Lipkiss dream

[sand egret]

Damn, I could prob Pug top 10 haha

[outer dew]

tbh

i could probably get funnled some scuffed keys from some friends

and still git it

lmao

[supple path]

Man, was looking for my azerite dreamsuit - there are distressingly few options that have impassive visage + BoM

[outer dew]

i don't like IV

[supple path]

What's your preferred defensive?

[outer dew]

not my jam

would rather have 3x gem hide

or resounding

proactive damage mit is what keeps you up

eventhough IV HPS can get pretty nutty

[supple path]

I've always had better healing numbers on IV than resounding overall, and gem hide just feels more like a raid thing than m+ for me.

[outer dew]

you're underestimating how often you get chunked in m+

;P

[supple path]

Nah, it's not about the proc rate, it's about the value of mitigation stats vs direct healing

[outer dew]

most of hte time for m+

[supple path]

More raw damage you're taking, better gem hide/etc. get

[outer dew]

well, maybe it's a bit different for me and you

i have to pull large

so damage intake is always ridic high

the IV won't save me or keep me up long enough to get a healer to top

[supple path]

Yeah, it just can't compare to the "3 healers having to spam to keep you up" scenario.

Which granted ain't super common in raids either

[neon tangle]

@supple path it's worth remembering that gemhide and other armor providing stuff is relatively less valuable in raid

[supple path]

How'sat?

[neon tangle]

K values mean they do ~50% as much

as the open world

[supple path]

Literally no clue what you mean there.

[neon tangle]

Do you know what k values are to start?

[outer dew]

it's with how our mitigation works

[undone sun]

constant

[supple path]

unless you're talking about physics and heat

I have no f'ing clue what you're on

That's why I said that

[undone sun]

specific levels of mobs and levels of difficulty follow a constant value

also known as K

[neon tangle]

^^^

[supple path]

Ahhhh mob level relative to you

[outer dew]

armor values change vs what mobs you're dealing with

basically

[neon tangle]

@supple path It's not even mob level, it's just constant to a difficulty basically

mythic+, normal, heroic, mythic each have their own values

[undone sun]

M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```

[outer dew]

oh sadbox friend

oh

is this why

i feel absolutely fucked in WCM sometimes

lmao

[young harbor]

this might be a stupid question, but do our abilities scale with wpn damage, i just got a 420 1h from my box. will that be a substantial dps increase? or is it based more off of AP/str?

[outer dew]

had the matron infront of tree boss two shot me last week

was very sad

[lusty grotto]

yes @young harbor

[young harbor]

hot diggity

[lusty grotto]

you always go ilvl > all on weapons due to weapon damage

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I mean, kinda depends, WCM is the same k value as LFR 😛

[supple path]

odds are that that was you not noticing a soul fetish lol

[young harbor]

oh for sure, i was just curious if the 20 ilvl upgrade would be noticeable

[outer dew]

wasn't a soul fetish

lol

it was a boosted 21 tanking for the first time

and we might of been memeing

since itwas a completion key

lmao

[neon tangle]

@supple path the end result is basically that armor is quite a bit less potent in m+ vs. mythic raids (the relevant levels to us)

[supple path]

Well at least I won't feel bad about avoiding those traits in raids now too!

[neon tangle]

Doubly so since armor has DR, and warriors have a ton of it to start with

[supple path]

But I'd still swear that the healing talents end up compromising a much greater % of my overall healing received than the miti ones would reduce my damage taken by, albeit arguments for spikiness/etc.

[neon tangle]

Depends on the level that you're running

[outer dew]

m+ is all about not getting one shot imo

lol

but that needs a good healer

[supple path]

that's really not true

[neon tangle]

if you're @outer dew you're more at risk of getting gibbed

[outer dew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what keys are you running?

the Iv heal isn't gonna save me

[supple path]

Highest I did last week was a 15

[neon tangle]

@supple path a 19 key does ~2x the damage of a 14

[supple path]

and nothing in the entire zone hit me for even one third of my hp in one shot