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#protection
daring marlin
fresh valley
i'll ask though
modern brook
Outlaw is better when you can pull big
sick sentinel
If he got two swords, he good
modern brook
Ass is better basically everywhere else
in my opinion
I know outlaw is super meta rn
I just think a lot of that is parse CJing
sick sentinel
I wish OL was meta
daring marlin
you guys excioted for next week?
oblique garnet
yamo thats why you gotta pull mobs with reaping
daring marlin
pull them defensive trinkets out baby
modern brook
I was told next week isnt a pushing week
oblique garnet
not particularly
sick sentinel
Fuckingg getting SUBS for rogues recently
oblique garnet
its the bursting
sick sentinel
Honestly with how much damage we do now compared to before
modern brook
its just super underrepresented by good palyers
and you have to pull for them.
that is to say
sick sentinel
I think we can overpower skittish
modern brook
your other DPS needs to let them aoe
sick sentinel
Yeah can guess what kinda subs im not getting
oblique garnet
trust me on this one
sick sentinel
Oh I know
primal crypt
@oblique garnet yeah, we started reaping into other trash/boss even
fresh valley
"two claps and go"
sick sentinel
Fucking worst mistake was bring double havoc
modern brook
U ever throw weapon to LoS casters back and your DH fel rushes into them
sick sentinel
NOTHING COULD WRONG
daring marlin
I need to get my ret to chill sometimes
primal crypt
Some of the pulls are starting to get extra spicy
daring marlin
the dude needs to let me clap twice or something before he wakes/DS's
because he has been splatted a couple times already
modern brook
he has shield of vengeance dude let him pull aggro is like mark of karma ur just helping his dps
daring marlin
LOL
modern brook
he can even hela himself; ret is basically a better prot warrior
why is prot wariror so bad :^(
sick sentinel
Why is VDh such a godlike tank
primal crypt
Vdh🤔
modern brook
LOL
primal crypt
LOL
daring marlin
I wanna do a meme build in a M+ sometime
daring marlin
triple BoM/triple GS
oblique garnet
Im actually a bear main now
primal crypt
my arms build pumps OK
daring marlin
imagine the deep wounds
oblique garnet
Got my bear to 380
primal crypt
wtf is GS
modern brook
Gathering storm
primal crypt
Is that build even possible??
modern brook
I did it with ToM though
Because it's BoM ToM
And yeah
BoM works with any Avatar
Minus the ignore pain iirc
primal crypt
Hold up
oblique garnet
It was nerfed for pvp because of that reason
primal crypt
I need to check my gear lol
oblique garnet
Real talk nobody plays alliance seriously
daring marlin
muh one-hand animations for a two-hand
modern brook
have they gone in depth on how the DR passive on KTH works?
modern brook
cause on paper it sounds busted
oblique garnet
Kage did you do your 18 shrine yet
fresh valley
we did a 16 shrine last night, tried the tactic where you skip the adds around the lost boss and let the healer kill them while he's doing that cast
modern brook
I'm not convinced that Arms AoE is any better than prots, tbh
fresh valley
druid did 2mil damage in 2 gcd's
fresh valley
both
sick sentinel
Eels probably
primal crypt
Eels
primal crypt
Oh, the 3 adds
modern brook
huh; thats interesting
primal crypt
That are standing there
fresh valley
it was awesome
modern brook
I'm learning so much about shrine
primal crypt
Can only do it with a ranged dps capable healer though
If the healer gets in melee at anytime, bye bye
fresh valley
we also learned how to shroud skip past the first living tide, and the jump skip on helda
modern brook
Healers are broken 😠
modern brook
Does the waterfall skip still work, as a btw?
primal crypt
But I think it only works with druid now
modern brook
I can hit it on my rogue but any non-stealth character seems to pull
fresh valley
yeah we were testing it last night
modern brook
unsure if its just fat character models or me big dumb
primal crypt
@modern brook you have to distract the ele
fresh valley
our monk could get it everytime
primal crypt
To look away
fresh valley
yep
primal crypt
Distract shroud
primal crypt
Yup
modern brook
did not know that
fresh valley
we could get it with just distract it seems
also as a warrior you can just leap down
primal crypt
The shroud helps
sick sentinel
It's a super fucked strar that works if u have a group willing to learn and praticd
modern brook
We've been doing wArlock gates
primal crypt
In case people move too far forward
modern brook
since our warlock has conveniently been around sincei learned of it lol
also big fan of just skipping runecarver
modern brook
SIDEBAR: Yam why do you skip the deathbringers before the bridge?
IDK if it was yours pure or some abomination nim made
sick sentinel
I still can't believe they havent fixed the add pull from the windmaaster npc after 1st boss
modern brook
but he had you skpping that room and fighting the first pull on the bridge
primal crypt
Deathbringers
modern brook
which seems backwards imo
primal crypt
Uh
modern brook
the room with the squid guys that summon all the lashing tentacles
modern brook
lol
sick sentinel
Fun fact u can skip tentacle room with saps
modern brook
nimchimp :^(
primal crypt
Well that too
modern brook
YEah thats what the notes said in the route
sick sentinel
Honestly I don't try skips with pugs
primal crypt
With los
sick sentinel
Cause fuck that
modern brook
Specifically what i found weird was skipping that pull but doing the big tentacle pull on the bridge
sick sentinel
Not even once
primal crypt
Yeah, I dont know why we did the tentacles that pull
modern brook
cause that pull makes me feel like a japanese school girl, and the other one is bearable
primal crypt
I know we did it though
sick sentinel
I feel like the bridge tentacles are super easier
primal crypt
Yeah, they dont do anything
sick sentinel
Just stand between them and go for broke
modern brook
Than the lashing ones?
sick sentinel
On a fort week, they hit less hard then the full room of mini tents
modern brook
hmm
primal crypt
But you can also pull the guys out if you want
And have a ranged clear the room
They cant hit the ranged from outside lol
modern brook
I dont have double rouges ive just been pulling tem out, then clearing the room as 2 separate pulls
then shroud bridge -> both sides of lashings during RP
primal crypt
Yeah. Shrine pulls are constantly tweaked
fresh valley
we do the two big tentacles so we get the reaping there before we cross the bridge
modern brook
I've finally started tracking interrupts on my details
and I think I found out why i hate certain pulls >.>
primal crypt
Sanguine placement is the roughest thing this week though
fresh valley
i think the biggest thing for our group to get all 15's is just learning all the tricks for 10 dungeons
modern brook
Agreed jon
sick sentinel
But yeah the easiest method would be to pull the two adds out like yams said
primal crypt
The non elites are placed in the tightest spots
modern brook
Theres not like good resources for it either
You basically have to watch big key streams and hope they know the tricks
modern brook
Thats the only reason i follow Yamorino on Twitch
sick sentinel
In reality the best way to do dungeons is just do them honestly
primal crypt
You mean glickz_
modern brook
Sorry I meant the OG warrior; Method | sco
sick sentinel
If you don't know how to save time ull waste more
fresh valley
we did the 16 shrine practicing the skips. i'm super confident next time we get a 15 key shrine we'll get it done in time
modern brook
^
primal crypt
One of the biggest problems with keys is being indecisive
modern brook
I think depleteing 10s to learn skips is worthwhile tbh
sick sentinel
It is
primal crypt
You stop to think what next and key deplete
modern brook
well
sick sentinel
But it's only worth it if u have a group u know
modern brook
assuming those depletions become intime-d 15s
fresh valley
we've been doing dry runs on heroic for the tricky stuff then going back and doing it with the key
modern brook
My goal this season is to get 1500 on my rogue and 1300 on my warrior
fresh valley
we're a bunch of tryhards
sick sentinel
Hate having pugs trying to act like it's MDI and it's a fucking +11
modern brook
why heroic?
fresh valley
sorry mythic
primal crypt
Trash packs are different
fresh valley
not heroic
primal crypt
We do mythic 0 runs still
If we're about to biggo key
A full run at that
To do the whole skip and stuff
primal crypt
Lol
primal crypt
?
primal crypt
Yas :(
daring marlin
feelsbad
sick sentinel
Lol
modern brook
@primal crypt do you prefer the cauterizer over the shield?
I've been looking for a non-dwarfs opinion on this
modern brook
I felt like it was dope cause bleeds hurt :^( but on the other hand, teh shield seemed like it had more applications
primal crypt
It's done a few clutch removes that made me keep it
The absorbatron definitely has more uptime
But, if a bleed is removed
You can keep trucking without worries
Had it proc one KR consistently
I felt like a winner that night
modern brook
I tank more bleeds on my rogue than i do my warrior when i run KR >.>
primal crypt
My last roll gave me a harpooners cuirass
CR/IF/BFI/dagger in the back.....
No dc, no bom, no gutripper, no resounding prot
daring marlin
primal crypt
Yup
daring marlin
current traits
modern brook
though im def remembering from when EP was a thing
sand egret
so I just realized I haven't done a single M+ on my main tanks all week
Monday night pugs...
daring marlin
get to it
primal crypt
....
sand egret
whew boi
primal crypt
Just do it right now
sand egret
this'll be fun
primal crypt
8k dps pumpin
sand egret
that's like my WW
modern brook
P u M p I n G
primal crypt
PUMP
modern brook
A random roll is highly unlikely to be an upgrade
fresh valley
yeah, i spent over 10k reforging azerite this week. it was painful
modern brook
😬
sand egret
if you literally can't figure out what to buy, I would save it
modern brook
I wish had 10k
sand egret
for two reasons:
fresh valley
for raiding yeah
primal crypt
You might want to random roll then, those respecs are going to kill
modern brook
I would get to 7150 and replace your shoulders for something with BoM -> somthing better than 2nd BS/CR
sand egret
- Future additions to the pool
- "buffs" to traits making the current landscape change
fresh valley
just swapped to tanking the past couple weeks.
primal crypt
I dropped 150k ez doing dps raid/tank m+
naive panther
Replace shoulders imo
primal crypt
That shit gets so bad
modern brook
wtf
sand egret
i have 6k gold to my name
modern brook
I'm sitting pretty at 8k Blade
modern brook
Plz donate to the let bullfango pay his repair bill fund
modern brook
💪
primal crypt
Do tell
primal crypt
...
modern brook
I'm getting tank replaced 😮
primal crypt
I'm done
sand egret
i walked in!
modern brook
for raid
sand egret
i actually had no idea what I was doing haha
fresh valley
i'm honestly considering not raiding any more and just focusing m+. my current guild isn't going to clear heroic this raid tier. there's no way they will have the dps to get through heroic jaina. and the guild my m+ team is from is having a hard time getting raiders to show up for mythic prog nights. so 'm not sure if i wanna pay money for a server swap
sand egret
I feel like Rhastakhan shouldnt be a "stack everyone and burn" strat...but I could be wrong
fresh valley
then seing what you guys were earlier about area 52, makes me wonder if that's where i should even transfer to anyway
sand egret
heck, I'm on that server
fresh valley
i mean, its going to be better than my current server
sand egret
nuff said
fresh valley
period lol
naive panther
I take it back I’d roll helm since you have bom
primal crypt
The only time you server transfer is if you get into a mythic guild that was at least cutting edge previous tier
Otherwise no point
sick sentinel
I served transferred because I wanted a larger server
primal crypt
Or that, bigger server
fresh valley
yeah. that was going to be my justification for this was, even if the new guild didn't workout
it was a bigger server
more opportunity
fresh valley
but i'm more now, fuck it m+ is where it's at
modern brook
Thats what i want to do jon
sand egret
raiding is for old farts
primal crypt
A52/illidan is great because east coast beast coast
modern brook
I really dont like raiding
sand egret
M+ is where the kids are at thesedays
modern brook
Or rather; I dont like the commitment
I think the raid is super fun
But i dont like dedicating 6 hours of my week to playing a video game that i sometimes really just dont want to
fresh valley
i really like BoD, but yeah. i got wife and kid. m+ is much more felxible
modern brook
Same boat minus the happy family
primal crypt
Lul
fresh valley
lol
sand egret
the moment you realize when "raid time" rolls around and all you can think about is how you don't wanna do that....you know you're out of the raiding game
modern brook
The thing for me
primal crypt
@sand egret 100%
modern brook
Is like i log in tuesday post work; and see 15 people online and my first thought is SICKO look atall these potential KEYS
sand egret
"do I want to spend the next 4 hours doing this"
primal crypt
Raiding is definitely a commitment
sand egret
yeah, for sure
modern brook
and then i get invited to a raid group and i get oofed.
sand egret
I wouldn't be surprised if in the next expansion, M+ becomes a way more pronounced "endgame"
modern brook
M+ was the best part of legion; and i think BFA has done a great job iterating on it
When people say BFA is bad i just point at m+ and shrug
sand egret
from a long-term perspective, it's where the $$$$ is at imho
naive panther
@fresh valley keep in mind you can craft another helm to save on respec fees
modern brook
its also more marketable than a raid to the G A M E R S of today
BRs are so popular because of how time efficient they are.
naive panther
But each m+ is based on like a 45 min vs 30 min of legion. That’s my biggest gripe. And tanking role in bfa is painful compared to legion.
sand egret
it's different for sure
primal crypt
How is it painful?
modern brook
tanks in legion were undeniably broken
primal crypt
Like literally painful?
primal crypt
Yeah I was gonna say
fresh valley
45 minutes, travel time to stone, dps going afk, people forgetting flasks/pots
primal crypt
That's a lot of depleted keys
daring marlin
^
sand egret
M+ in BFA was designed with more personal responsibility in mind (look at all the high-profile trash mechanics), vs the zerg of Legion
primal crypt
Legion m+ required only mongo strats
modern brook
Legion also had more RNG
daring marlin
I mean
naive panther
4 of them are 39
daring marlin
some of these affixes
primal crypt
Chain stun on the half dungeon pull
modern brook
w/ the one shot mechanics
daring marlin
are stupid in BFA
naive panther
Some 36 and one 30
primal crypt
Let the tank run away and ignore all mechanics
sand egret
yeah Legion had scaling problems in keys, ultimately due to the classes
since they could push so high
you got to these mathematical breakpoints
fresh valley
the designers have said that they are viewing the entire dungeon as a giant boss fight. and i think you can really see the design philosophy
primal crypt
A 25 tyrannical horn of valor
modern brook
Agreed in BFA x classes arent meta because of what they cant bring
modern brook
in Legion x classes werent meta because they couldnt do the key
daring marlin
I'm a BDK.
I have a mass grip
brez
and 20% leech fort he whole party
why would you need anything else
? ? ?
fresh valley
grip is literally the one thing i hate about tanking as a warrior. i can't control the movement of mobs
primal crypt
@fresh valley learn to stutter step towards los points in dungeons
Little stutter step tricks for positioning
fresh valley
stutter step? got any vid examples?
primal crypt
@fresh valley uh, one sec, let me see
real anchor
hello , how many haste need a prot for a good rotation , thx for answers
daring marlin
@real anchor yes
undone sun
all of it
real anchor
fresh 120 and got 10 its a pain actually
oblique garnet
?? do you not have into the fray?
real anchor
without fray
primal crypt
@fresh valley sorry, couldn't find it right off the bat from my clips
Ill have to record it and show you
primal crypt
Uh, i dont normally stream, it's very sporadic
But ill make sure I get a clip of it
At the very least
fresh valley
ah, no worries, i'll figure it out
primal crypt
It's a super helpful trick
fresh valley
i was watching nerfclap do it the other day posiitoning the third boss in udnerrot
to get maximum spores on the shockwave
i was more concerned about casters doing unteruptable casts in snaguine n bullshit
or when your favorite druid typhoons the wrong way
primal crypt
Yup
You can stutter step them
Stutter step interrupts their cast
Well, fills in a frame to make them move before they recast on you
oblique garnet
youre losing precious time to that can be spent clapping by stutterstepping smh
(im joking btw)
primal crypt
xD
fresh valley
gotta be careful of the clap
inland mesa
wha? stutter step o.O
inland mesa
teach me soon to be 2k that I'll never catch up to man ❤
primal crypt
Help me think, which mobs dont really move
fresh valley
you pamper us yamo
primal crypt
Im thinking Kr gauntlet shooting chick
inland mesa
we failed a 15 seige, 16 UR, 15 something because the healer wasn't tracking necrotic and was like "oh it's necrotic week, no wonder you were randomly harder to heal"
primal crypt
Or the motherlode dude
At the end
I know the masterminds would be the best example
In motherlode
fresh valley
❤
blizzard picked some shit weeks for the MDI proving grounds. probably intentional to keep plebs like me from thinking i have a chance
sand egret
quick trick with moving ranged casters: utilize min range targeting logic
modern brook
can u elaborate?
sand egret
so for "Shoot" style mobs, (i.e. Crackshot at the start of FH) normally to move them you need to get out of range or LoS them. However, there's a spot you can be in that is almost on top of them that causes them to reposition and not cast. You can manipulate this to "walk" them.
fresh valley
does it work for the marksmen in temple?
primal crypt
Yup @jonathonsnow#2085
sand egret
hmm, I normally LoS those, but it should yes
fresh valley
also, @primal crypt thats another one that's hard to move
narrow abyss
Ohhhh I’m curious
pale glacier
Is it something you find yourself doing often?
fresh valley
i mean, i like it n all, but it doesn't help with positioning them out of sanguine does it?
sand egret
it totally can
modern brook
or u fucking hate ur healer
sand egret
ideally you're not killing stuff on the ranged guy, but shit happens and if you see it go down it's possible to pull them out
It's a bit finnicky, so I try not to rely on it but I definitely use it if I need to reposition and there aren't any LoS options
fresh valley
yeah, the trouble i've run into is trying to LOS a caster, the melee mobs die and the caster then proceed to stand where the melee just died and i got no where to LOS
cause the melee were following me the los position
maybe i'm going there to soon
primal crypt
@fresh valley clip is processing
sand egret
yeah honestly I'd let the melee die on that one ranged mob THEN LOS to pull it out of that
instead of LoSing early so they all just clump up to die
ideally they're all dying at the same time
oblique garnet
Yamo is stutterstepping the one where you move into the mob so it moves backwards or?
sand egret
but yeah, shit happens
primal crypt
@oblique garnet yeah
fresh valley
got'cha, i start pulling back around 20% health
primal crypt
Where you can just move with it
oblique garnet
Oh it means completely different things in other games
primal crypt
@fresh valley https://www.twitch.tv/videos/386563254
I get this feeling energy lash doesn't matter anymore lol
Dude just follows
sand egret
masterminds are weird tbh
primal crypt
But I give you the jist of stutter stepping lol
sand egret
since the leash doesn't seem to act like a full channel
oblique garnet
Yeah i think they fixed the masterminds at some point
primal crypt
Yeah, dude is a mess
oblique garnet
But i feel like the lash doesnt just only target me anymore even when i have aggro on it
primal crypt
Getting to that mastermind was a pain in the ass lol
modern brook
lash is Random for things on the threat table iirc
Thats why the first one always go on you
primal crypt
So you can guarantee it on tank only
fresh valley
so how does that work well for casters that don't move while casting?
primal crypt
If you're highest threat
fresh valley
just do it between casts?
primal crypt
@fresh valley yeah
You spam forward and backwards
Or just strafe a little at a time
Quickly
sand egret
the key is you need to be in position as the mob is trying to register the hit
primal crypt
And casters will follow you in between casts
They actually sprint in between casts so you can position quickly
zenith cosmos
new prot warrior here, mainly focusing on M+ with friends, just got 400 shoulders off grong and was wondering if bonded souls or brace for impact is better? Icy veins only mentions prot-specific traits
modern brook
BFI
oblique garnet
Bonded souls for m+
sand egret
if the flow is:
Find Target
Cast Shoot
you need to cause it to fail a targeting check
primal crypt
The stutter stepping is super helpful in the gauntlet in KR
The shoot chick with the raptor
Puts the purple shit on the ground
And you can stutter step her all over the room
sand egret
yeah she's an ideal candidate
primal crypt
So melee can hit
primal crypt
Glad you got to see. Dont always need grips :)
sand egret
go into a normal and practice on the crackshot in the beginning of FH
fresh valley
but gripz ezlife
primal crypt
@sand egret DAMN BLADE
Why couldnt you have said that before I went into motherlode
Lol
primal crypt
I had to pull some tricks to get to that mastermind lmao
It's in that clip btw
Some ez m0 skips xD
daring marlin
I wish I could just tank for myself on my other characters
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
primal crypt
Had to banana tank and bazier myself to get to the end
sand egret
haha I'd play a Dragon Age style of WoW
daring marlin
THIS WARRIOR DOESN'T USE AVATAR LOL
sand egret
where I have all my alts in on eparty
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet do you really prefer bonded souls over BFI for mplus?
like, I can see where you are coming from
but on Tyrr weeks, bfi is good shit
sand egret
i'd pick up a single point of it
over going like 2x BFI
the numbers i've seen look quite strong
modern brook
How could u do that to urself
primal crypt
Yeah, plus if someone else in your group has it as well
modern brook
Avatar is the reason i still paly warrior
sick sentinel
33k crit with no bfi
primal crypt
Bonded souls does really well
sick sentinel
highest crit in a run
sand egret
hek, pallies. I'm sure Yam is excited....
undone sun
👏
daring marlin
yo
rezzing as a pally is the best
My buddy made the joke that he's scrolling through death logs
primal crypt
Why is the BC tw so brutal, btw @oblique garnet I'm about to queue 4 more
If you wanna come
modern brook
Pally book is easily the best change in BFA tbh
Now we can call them nerds and they get cool animations
its win/win
primal crypt
@daring marlin im an ele sham....
narrow abyss
🤮
modern brook
range makes me want to die tbh
sand egret
BC TWing is brutal because BC dungeon design was basically Blizzard in their angsty teen years
modern brook
indoors
sand egret
hard cc on tanks
lusty grotto
cmon, its not hard except for alcatraz which also isn't hard if people know what to do
sand egret
casual threat drop at 50% that you can't taunt back
back in an age where classes had threat reduction mechanics they had to utilize to make sure they weren't so high that the tank could get it back
daring marlin
we don't talk about that
sand egret
or that Arcatraz room where mobs have a roomwide 50% GCD slow... that stacks
daring marlin
also salvation
sand egret
let's not forget all the flat armor shredding for 2k armor when you only have 2k armor
primal crypt
The one that generates less threat on crits
lusty grotto
the only meme trinket i had was the one that made taunt unmissable
for 4 horseman in vanilla
when every guild had 8 warriors for it lol
lusty grotto
taunt trinket was from ZG iirc
magic hazel
We almost disbanded in vanilla cause of 4horsemen
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/item=19947/nat-pagles-broken-reel was this one but it made spells 100% hits
magic hazel
One Warrior not there and the whole guild waited uselessly
lusty grotto
10% woof, its been a while
and obv 4piece set
4 pieces: Improves your chance to hit with Taunt and Challenging Shout by 5%.
graceful mason
Hey we actually used a feral druid as a tank for 4 horseman
magic hazel
Had no such thing as a feral tank back then
lusty grotto
it was possible
magic hazel
Yes, but we just didnt have it
graceful mason
I don't think he tanked it every week but when you only had 7 warriors who logged on lol
magic hazel
I think back then it was just unthinkable for us to use something else
sand egret
but but classic!
sand egret
membie when a huge change was when the keys got their own UI slot
lusty grotto
its a good thing it's free with the sub though, dont get me wrong
sand egret
i membie
magic hazel
People will notice how lacking certain aspects of the game were when they re-play it
sand egret
you mean...Hunters
lusty grotto
iirc there's LFG system in place
sand egret
"shit I ran out of arrows"
magic hazel
I checked the official EQ progression server when it hit last year
lusty grotto
or at least i saw in the demo
magic hazel
And damn, it was just not good
sand egret
"fucking dead zone"
lusty grotto
oh yeah? what exp are they at?
magic hazel
I stopped when they were still at classic 😄
magic hazel
Playing a Wizard was just as shit to level as in the old days, even tho it was boosted exp wise
lusty grotto
i do miss quad kiting as druid
magic hazel
I read the whole fucking Lord of the Rings trilogy leveling in Kunark (Raptors!)
lusty grotto
so good
magic hazel
Mind you I was on PvP so it added to the difficulty a bit
lusty grotto
rallos?
lusty grotto
nice
i was in E'ci then moved to Maelin when i got snatched by Assent
so pve only heh :\
magic hazel
E'ci? Pantheon was there werent they
lusty grotto
cant remember
i raided with a public group in E'ci
lead by an enchanter called Ashorty
cleared most things with it, then made druid 2.0 guide and was given mod in The druid's grove, got invited to SoE's dev boards, and Assent grabbed me
magic hazel
So, I checked, on Maelin was some Wizards I was on contact with
Via the Wizard serverwide chan
Gypsiyee ring a bell?
magic hazel
Crimson Tempest?
magic hazel
oO
magic hazel
Could have become "rich" in 2003 after Sleeper, ppl offered like 5k
Idiot me said no
And stopped playing in 2004 when WoW Alpha hit
daring patrol
going from gates of discord -> wow was such a breath of fresh air
pseudo olive
One quick question.. Can any warrior actually tank Jaina HC? I always die at max. 12-14 Stacks while our Monk takes 24 and is still fine..
daring patrol
you guys should just be taunting back and forth when your stacks drop
pseudo olive
Ofc we do, but I can barely survive the time once (with full CDs running)
I took waaay more dmg overall compared to him, with no way to reduce it (even spamming IP)
and he tanked 80% of the fight
daring patrol
do you have a link to logs? that thing tickles until 14-15 stacks with block up
pseudo olive
Sadly no logs from yesterday <_<
It seemed wrong, but still, I couldn't do a thing
daring patrol
the only reason I'm asking is because you mentioned spamming IP, but you are keeping shield block up for it right?
the ice shard is blockable
pseudo olive
According to the spell description it isn't
daring patrol
there's your problem right there
hollow zephyr
is it possible to have enough haste for shield block to have 100% uptime?
pseudo olive
Well, I ofc still used it (got traits and tried to do more dmg in return xD) and still died quickly
daring patrol
normally I just use IP for the first 3 or so stacks, but keep block up afterwards
should be swapping around 10-11ish stacks
sometimes 15-16 with last stand if avalanch happens at a weird time
crisp fractal
got lucky today 😃
primal crypt
No matter what
pseudo olive
How comes I never seemed to have blocked any of the Shards though? And it is flagged ingame as unblockable? Just asking, I really am confused (and will log it to review it in 2 days time)
primal crypt
Regardless of logs or anything
You should always have block up
That's just one of the basics you must do no matter what
That's why we emphasize bolster as a talent because it helps with block uptime
It's our strongest tool
Never should you burn rage into ip for a certain amount of time and then think about putting up block
ocean acorn
how do u deal with bestial smash 3 times in a row in one combo but twice in the same fight
stark spear
primal crypt
But it's going to put two on one tank for sure
daring patrol
the debuff falls off before the second one hits the other tank
austere oar
Smash tank 1 taunt Smash tank 2, debuff fade on tank 1 taunt Smash tank 1
2 smashes on same tank hits for 1m in M iirc
With just SB up
sick sentinel
@pseudo olive where is it flagged in game as unblockable?
this is from mythic rekill today https://imgur.com/a/36SD6Z4
it's 100% blockable
silk mortar
Shouldnt go by that
sick sentinel
if you're stepping in fire every 5ish stacks and dropping your chilling touch on the boat
you wont be at any real risk
open bluff
they literally changed ranged physical attacks in 8.1 to be blockable
pseudo olive
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=285253/ice-shard
(might be wrong and yes, seems blockable)
open bluff
so yes, you should go by that as a general rule of thumb
if it's physical, it's probably blockable
pseudo olive
Okay, that helps, I thought I was going mad xD
Still, Monk had it sooo much easier 😛
sick sentinel
It's definitely trivial for brm, but then all content is
raid tanking as brm is easy mode 🤷
modern brook
^
undone sun
🍿
vital pollen
So tanking this week, last stand will typically clear stacks ya?
sick sentinel
???
undone sun
What
vital pollen
doesn't it parry all attacks now?
undone sun
No
sick sentinel
it blocks
vital pollen
sorry with bolster
undone sun
Right
vital pollen
seems like the prot toolkit doesn't really have anything for necrotic
undone sun
Correct stuns and kites
sick sentinel
RoP
sand egret
🤔
outer dew
Killing the mobs before it kills you
vital pollen
lul
hasty summit
Would you say 1xEndless Hunger is better than stacking more Shield Slam?
Seems better in m+
sand egret
newp
assuming you’re referring to BFI by “stacking more Shield Slam”, then yeah. Stack that Slam (and block)
hasty summit
Yeah, that's what I meant
soft glen
havent played prot since legion
dont know if its haste levels but it feels abd pressing devaste again
lol
lusty grotto
you don't press devastate nearly as much as you did in legion pre-devastator
so you might be doing something wrong
lusty grotto
if you tanked in legion
just remember one key thing
you cant spam IP anymore, doing so is bad
IP is not 90% dr anymore
and don't spam revenge either
TC spam >>>>>>>>> revenge for dps
during avatar TC spam >>>> SS too
daring patrol
you mean to you don't mash tc -> revenge during avatar and make all your dps cry?
lusty grotto
anyway feel free to look at the icy veins guide, it should have a run down
i mean in legion, revenge was our highest dps ability
with the revenge trait, which i forget the name of
so TC took that place due to UF
undone sun
@outer dew
undone sun
hi
undone sun
true
wary gyro
It's easy to parse high when no one plays the spec
undone sun
definitely not at a high point for guardian in wow ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand egret
they should just have "In the Arms of an Angel" playing on loop in there
wary gyro
At least they aren't vengeance dh
sand egret
but @outer dew fun though right? GW week is especially fun
lusty grotto
Lol blade
sand egret
my monk just hit 360 last night as well
outer dew
Questioning the 4 min CD on survival instinct and frenzied regeneration CD
outer dew
But I think its playable
lusty grotto
Yeah fr on gcd is bs
outer dew
Well. 33 sec CD seems a bit ridiculous
Prot seems to just heal more via ip vs FF
FR
But FR has the strength of using it after damage to catch up
sand egret
yeah, but when you get that typhoon > swiftmend to fully heal is 👌
undone sun
🤣
outer dew
Tbh, gonna do the proving grounds just so I can try out dudu gang with friends
Bear/Resto/feral/2x boomie gang
Gotta see if the meme is viable
sick sentinel
y
outer dew
Muam-Sarg
Been lazy to push zzz
But I know some homies that hook me up
@sick sentinel
I'm truly a boosted monkey
sick sentinel
I am hanging out with some mplus runners in my guild discord
and I wanted to show them your motherlode
vocal skiff
So, a dumb question: can you kite the trash in the KR gauntlet outside of that room? I always thought the doors were sealed, but I swear that I saw nerfclap taking them outside
which is a huge bonus for sanguine/necrotic
neon tangle
@outer dew Tank CD are soooooo long for not-warriors
sand egret
you're still stun immune tho right?
neon tangle
@sand egret yeah
wary gyro
Pally gets a 20% dr on a 2m CD as their shortest
sand egret
that's not bad
outer dew
That's honestly not that bad
wary gyro
Then everything else is 5m
neon tangle
Vamp blood is shorter (1.5 minute CD) but doesn't actually do DR
outer dew
That's every pull or every other pull depending on difficulty
neon tangle
30% extra health + 30% extra healing
sand egret
it's "DR" in like DK terms tho
neon tangle
@sand egret Tell that to necrotic 😦
sand egret
since ya'll are weird and like redefined ehp
outer dew
It's to help you be a bloodbag so your healers can dump mana in you
outer dew
Lol
neon tangle
That being said, my co-tank was doing some funny stuff on jaina
panicing and dumping all their RP/runes either right before taunting or right after
get spanked 5s in the future, can't DS, gets gibbed
neon tangle
yeah, not really planned
Still doing DK
I like the playstyle more, he might be switching to pally though
although, it was because of him getting spanked that night, and I tried (poorly) to explain that switching classes isn't going to fix play issues
will almost certainly make them worse
outer dew
Doesn't sound like he has enough experience to pilot the DK
sand egret
what are you talking about? the class is 100% the fault
outer dew
I mean. He could be better at piloting a different class
Certain classes need a certain mentality
sand egret
and some require a lack thereof
outer dew
Like if he's dumping everything before, he has a proactive mindset
sand egret
but yeah...there's prob a strong chance a new class won't help him
neon tangle
I think it's just panic rather than mindset really
sand egret
like even with that mindset, if he hopped on a Warrior and blew SW + LS in one go....still not gonna solve the problem haha
a key to tanking is knowing what you can get away with
panic does not help this fo sho
neon tangle
I guess also for some context, he is a friend of someone in the guild and hasn't tanked any mythic or high keys this xpac yet
outer dew
Dbm cucks you
neon tangle
and h jaina is the first time you run in to something that actually hits hard
neon tangle
I think it's just learning too
sand egret
yeah getting used to getting chunked is a big thing
outer dew
It's also a mentality thing
sand egret
not freaking out when you lose 60% of your hp
outer dew
Use to think 10s are hard
14d hadd
Hard
Now its 18-20 which I think is hard
It's just progress
meager temple
you need too trust your healers and kite good, thats all it takes
outer dew
Healer has the least responsibility
meager temple
and,well,yeha dont freak out and waste stuff when you lose a big chunk of hp
outer dew
Your DPS is the most important part of the key