so the value of it comes from you having a shield just as you pull
#protection
sick sentinel
which in this week is almost useless, as the damage you take during the first 20 stacks is completely healable therefore the shield is irrelevant
you either need something to help you tank from 20 stacks and on , so you have to kite later, or you need something to do more damage so the mobs die faster
I would replace diamond with virtually anything this week
restive pivot
Thanks for the argument, i was merely stating something i ve read here and there. And glad you corrected me with examples.
sick sentinel
with the above being said, you should use diamond all other weeks because it's very powerful
sick sentinel
I do not have any knowledge about other tanks and I didn't care enough to learn
restive pivot
A bdk friend said it helped him deal with necro yesterday.
quiet crane
worthy dagger
how good is barrage of many bombs?
sick sentinel
not as good as gismo
marble cipher
I took spark, should I reforge to gizmo on the engi helm?
sick sentinel
yes
oblique garnet
you should just reroll from engi tbh
marble cipher
Well, it's the only helm at 415 so far
Switching it out when I do some M bosses and get a 415
oblique garnet
im just memeing
marble cipher
Ah, kk
sick sentinel
engi is really good for keys
untold raptor
how many ilvl over stats shoud i consider to swap item
trim nacelle
Any Tanks want to come tank 11+ WM good group
sick sentinel
Barrage of Many Bombs have a hidden perk of proccing in the worst possible situation
"Oh you have a gigantic reaping wave there? It would be shame if barrage proced 3 times in a row when only last add is alive with 20% HP"
sick sentinel
@trim nacelle this is not the place to ask for that there are dedicated discords for it
@untold raptor you wear higher ilvl
always
untold raptor
@sick sentinel but is 5 ilvl wort masteri over haste or always ilvl
sick sentinel
always ilvl
untold raptor
ok
sick sentinel
the items have more stats than just secondaries
they have strength
and armor
and stamina
all of those are valuable
untold raptor
ty
austere oar
You can make a small exception for rings
Since the only thing they bring more is stamina
dusky seal
Has anyone else been getting huge game stutters while using certain weakauras (Afenar's, Khakan's) ?
dusky seal
Everything is up to date. I can enable the addon, pull a pack, get HUGE stutters. Do the exact same without the WA and have no issues at all.
astral crystal
and the addon itself is updated? tried reinstalling it? sounds like you might have to clear it and then reinstall
the addon that is
dusky seal
I will give that a try.
bronze lantern
is auto self cauterizer any decent this week, as it seems to remove necrotic 
ok nvm, found something its just one stack / proc lul
dusky seal
@astral crystal You're amazing. The fresh install of weakauras fixed my issue! 😃
astral crystal
hooray
smoky oriole
Got a quick question, on tank notes, it says Searing Embers can be reflected. Is this the application, or the explosion portion?
smoky oriole
Prot is dps class anyways 😛
steel mauve
Possibly both for searing embers but you cant actively seek out reflecting it, you're better off redlecting fireballs since searing embers even if targeting tanks is completely random, and is a dispellable debuff any ways
unkempt fox
hey guys any idea how good is bulwark of azzinoth 385 vs normal shield 400? (no idea how good the proc is)
remote tusk
The proc is very low. I wouldn't use it.
It has no other secondary stats, just the proc effect. Having the extra block and armor from a 400 shield will definitely be better.
full smelt
new to prot and i have a 400 haste/verse belt but also a 410 haste/mastery belt would you say use the 410 ? or is verse worth more ?
turbid wharf
Just got my warrior to 120 doing Timewalking all the way. LOVE PROT
Can't wait to get into keys
full smelt
what traits do you guys use for m+ is it worth to get more then one defening crash for the dmg or no ?
grand trellis
One deafening is really all you “need”
If you’re gonna stack a trait stack bastion of might
full smelt
any others worth stacking ?
sick sentinel
@full smelt #268491842637660160
brisk bough
how meticulous scheming for us?
lusty grotto
not prot specific so meh
brisk bough
but it give ton of haste that why i was wondering
brisk bough
allright
sick sentinel
it is meh but I am using it
over second DC
Its seems like you never have to use devestate
lusty grotto
you use it
sick sentinel
Unless you want to have it as a filler, or am i wrong?
sick sentinel
Is it worth to stack 2x defending crash?
lusty grotto
not over other traits
sick sentinel
I run 12x bloodsport 1 iron fortress 1 Relational norm and 1 bastion of might
2 x*
and 1x crash
proven galleon
if you're not having prob on surviving you can stack the deafening crashes no problemo
rough egret
And that TW
proven galleon
im using 3 xDC 3 xBoM
sick sentinel
that's the meme build
lusty grotto
that's not what i meant by pushing keys
sick sentinel
I am using a meticulous scheming over a second DC
end up with roughly the same damage overal
lusty grotto
playing with premades does not mean you are doing super high keys
i totally was running 3 bom 3 dc
but after this week's runs
im def gonna reforge
smoky oriole
Need some advice here, between a 405 Vial of Animated Blood, 405 Diamond Laced Refracting Prism, and a 385 Rezan's. Which would you guys suggest?
lusty grotto
why would you mix a 385 with the rest?
sick sentinel
^^
smoky oriole
Ok, just wasnt sure if rezans haste was still a significant factor
lusty grotto
stop overvaluing haste people
lusty grotto
-10
dense flame
At what point would you start including opulence trinket in over mekka/anchor.
+16’s?
primal crypt
Right away, just not this week because of necrotic
Also, the mekka trinket is a meh
dense flame
Dunno feels like lust every 1.5 mins
primal crypt
Anchor is also a purely offensive trinket
So you would use anchor in keys where you dont worry about survival at all
Unless it's a 415+ providing a ton of str too
Literally just used for the dot dmg
dense flame
Would you use crit trinket from waycrest over it?
primal crypt
Butcher's block?
Yes
Still looking for a good rezan
A good vial
Anything that will buff your avatar window, m+ you play around CDs
Instead of pulling huge and going in with nothing available
brisk rain
meager temple
warm plinth
@brisk rain Two equip is fine. Certain on-use trinkets are just really nice for M+ because you can line them up with our burst.
dense flame
Okay. So out of mekka (400), butcher block (405 socket), tortella wq (395 socket), anchor (400), syringe (395). Which would you use? Also, which would you then replace for opulence.
warm plinth
Butcher block+mekka, then replace mekka with prism probably
brisk ferry
Butcher + anchor. Big DPS
oblique garnet
@dense flame block and if the trinket from tortillan emissary is feather of un ank use it with it
The 600 or so mastery on 1 min cd?
lucid bough
@meager temple Its cool trinket
not good for this week unless prepull
but 91k is big shield
primal crypt
small* shield
warm plinth
Oh yeah I didn't even think about if it was the mastery one
I was thinking of the vers one
narrow abyss
Haha
primal crypt
Morning Bull
so i was confused
about yesterday
what happen with MDT @lusty grotto @modern brook
lusty grotto
nothing
pug rogue left
so whatever hehe
ez deplete
then we ran a 10 shrine with bull's guild and timed it
didn't do a lot of fancy skips though
quick elk
Do you stream prot tanking. Where can I find you
sick sentinel
who
quick elk
It was @lusty grotto but to be fair I should try find so streams to watch for prot warriors . So happy for any names
primal crypt
shhhhhh
sick sentinel
marok ofc streams
primal crypt
lmao @lusty grotto
narrow abyss
Ohhh yamo stream for me
primal crypt
Nim is lying
warm plinth
@modern brook If you're on PC, you can click the @ sign up on the top right to see your pings
undone sun
🤦
primal crypt
shh
warm plinth
😂
teal kelp
How good is the alchemist stone at 415 vs 400 dungeon trinkets?
supple path
Better. Particularly if you use healing potions.
teal kelp
I do cool
Because I have 400 rezans and butcher block
As well as a 405 diamond from opulence
sick sentinel
I would use diamond+alch
teal kelp
Ty
toxic wadi
Once ignore pain goes on GCD, I'm rerolling back to Arms. Otherwise, I'll be playing Prot, lol.
lusty grotto
yeah i have no idea what he means
dusty prairie
so was debating which slot to try and get a random 415 azerite for, which slot do you guys think is worth more to roll for?
lusty grotto
your lowest ilvl obviously
warm plinth
It depends on what you already have
dusty prairie
415 on all already
lusty grotto
well shrug
warm plinth
Tbh I'd probably wait to get a specific one at that point
lusty grotto
yeah id save those 7k
dusty prairie
k guess ill just bank them then
lusty grotto
it depends really on what trait combo you need
at 415 i highly doubt you need DC
you probably have 3x BoM for M+
content type would be important
dusty prairie
i dont have BoM shoulders yet just cause the 415 raid ones are on mek sadly
lusty grotto
right
pseudo surge
385 Syringe, 385 Rezan, 380 Howler, 405 Vial of Ani(socket), 400 Core-crusted Butchers. What would u guys run? askin as im about to give prot in m+ a go and cant seem to decide between these (:
lusty grotto
your highest ilvl
pseudo surge
that goes even for trinkets 😮 ?
lusty grotto
no, but it does in your case
385s...
vs 400s
plus butcher block and vial are among our best for dps
pseudo surge
Aight, preciate ur answer mate ^^ ty (:
modern brook
@primal crypt I just wanted to make fun of you tbh, the route is dope, if specific
primal crypt
oh lmao
XDDD
Well, you should have watched out King's Rest
that first pull practice is super spicy
teal kelp
Bonded souls or brace for impact?
sick sentinel
brace
toxic wadi
Will Blizz ever put Ignore Pain back on GCD?
primal crypt
you can never tell with blizz
toxic wadi
lol
sick sentinel
are you having fun with it being off GCD?
if the answer is yes
then almost certainly it will be back oin GCD by 8.2
sick sentinel
it will not
but prot dps might get nerfed
possible overall damage nerf might come with 8.2
lusty grotto
please let's not spread doomsaying
especially doomsaying that isn't based on anything concrete or facts
teal kelp
mekkatorque trinket good for keys?
sick sentinel
what doomsaying lol
i just said it is possible considering how high the damage we deal but we also might not get nerfed
lusty grotto
its still baseless doomsaying
sick sentinel
what?
sick sentinel
lol
its off-topic but any ideas when 8.2 might get launched
well... warriors need to be OP to be at least somewhat represented in high end game content
lusty grotto
its decent sure @teal kelp also depends on what you have
sick sentinel
start of summer or mid summer?
i got 15 days left on subscribe and i dont want to use tokens tbh literally nothing to do in game
sick sentinel
8.1.5 might be launching in 2 weeks
teal kelp
@lusty grotto i have 400 rezans, 400 butchers block, 405 diamond, 415 alchemist stone
sick sentinel
rezans and butchers is good for m+ i heard alchemist is good aswell yet not sure how good it is
8.2 is far future for now
and diamond is good defensive
one of the best afaik from the raid
didn't I give you an answer on that mattie?
lusty grotto
i believe you did kaege
oh right Zendhal is right
8.1.5 was the one that got delayed
so no idea about 8.2
sick sentinel
8.1.5 only has profession update 2 races and nothing else so
lusty grotto
and the raid
sick sentinel
hoping for something on 8.2 at least
yeah well 2 boss raid isnt that much tbh effects are looking decent but i dk
gear looks fun
and different
better than just stat sticks
8.1.5 have brawlers shit too
and the naga invasions ?? or am I dreaming about that
i stopped raiding this tier and i got 410 gear and nearly perfect azerite it feels dumb raiding right now and m+ is great with reaping but i play alliance 😄
so hard to find decent keys all the time
lusty grotto
yeah
sick sentinel
alliance lul
lusty grotto
well its up to you really hehe, if you have completed your goals for now it might be a good idea for you to unsub for a bit
always good to take breaks 😃
outer dew
if you're na alliance
everyone's in their own group atm
you have to know people to get into keys
hidden ether
Hey does anyone know the weak aura that sense uses? The little ding when he is in something bad?
sick sentinel
isn't that littlewigs?
old night
hows a 400 barnacle for prot
old night
kk
hidden ether
Is it? Figured it was a WA I need to move from DBM to big/little wigs
And feel bad for a 415 barnacle and worthless
lusty grotto
$$$
tepid dagger
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9BmyDF16vnCZ6arxpnLDYe Love cheesing raidbots to mess with my blood dk tank
sick sentinel
Wait @lusty grotto, is there two verisons of that gem?
I've only ever gotten the 500 stat one
edgy linden
I am having aggro issues in keys I am 388 ilvl any ideas on what I could be doing wrong?
lusty grotto
must be due to raid diff @sick sentinel
i have heroic crown
@edgy linden yes, your ilvl is low
you will have problems vs 400+ ilvl people
and you will have even more problems if you're not bootyclapping hard
lusty grotto
yuck
why did you even do that lol
now you and bladesong can high five each other lol
sick sentinel
Hey guys, BoM is way ahead of the other talents when talking pure dps output as prot yes?
for m+
like would you drop from a 400 piece to 385 piece if it meant having your third BoM + 1 DC
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
oh okay
so you'd still do more dps output with a higher az piece regardless of the traits?
in m+, again, I stress
lusty grotto
you can't dps if you're dead
sick sentinel
well yeah that's why I made a point of saying, that it's ONLY the dps aspect I'm asking about
lusty grotto
you don't sacrifice ilvl for BoM
sick sentinel
if I notice I'm dying to that level, naturally I'd switch to more defensive traits
sick sentinel
not as prot and not rly in general
lusty grotto
i wouldn't
sick sentinel
but just curious about the math, if it's the best dps output trait
it must be I mean especially with reaping
lusty grotto
and the consensus is BoM is not worth dropping 15 ilvls for
lusty grotto
i can do some napkin math for you
385 BoM is 566 mastery
so you gain 566 mastery every avatar for the price of (and this is comparing to an ilvl 400 Breastplate of Divine Purification... 93 static STR (which buffs your dmg and defensive abilities), 74 armor, and 467 stamina
so in essence, if you have a 400 Chest that's the price of BoM
not to mention any traits that the 400 chest has
for a mastery gain that only works during avatar, so every 45 seconds roughly
fringe marten
to be fair it's likely 10 ilevel diff though
lusty grotto
he said 385 vs 400
sick sentinel
?? of course dropping 15ilvl for a 3rd BoM could be worth from a dps standpoint
it depends on the trait he's comparing it against, but especially in m+ it could 100% be worth
what??
this discord I swear to god
lusty grotto
question mark question mark question mark
sick sentinel
seems to be some differing opinion
and I'm not experienced enough to justify either choice
lusty grotto
prawn is just some random that goes for straight dps every time
fringe marten
Right; I'm not saying your math was wrong or his question was incorrect. It's just a likely possibility he has the neck levels to activate the extra 5 ilevels and isn't thinking about it. But the spirit of the response likely holds true.. 10 ilevels on a major armor piece like a BP is huge str/stam/armor gains (for equipment) not like 10 ilevels on a trinket or ring.
sick sentinel
I have the neck lvl to upgrade both 400 and 385
so it's a 15 ilvl difference we're talking about
fringe marten
ah ok, so it's the same ilevel either way
sick sentinel
Nim I'm not trying to be rude, but I've done a lot more content than you have and at a higher level
I appreciate your qwerk though
😃
That'
That's rude
lusty grotto
i dont think your content clears really matter
lusty grotto
is it the same content that he is asking about?
sick sentinel
Surv > DPS
You could just be clearing that content deoptimized Prawn
which is why you shouldnt come here for questions abotu dps
sick sentinel
well I'll ask this question again sometime, see more responses
ember arrow
surv>dps in wow lul
lusty grotto
your choices are your own because you understand what you play against
sick sentinel
or just try out and form my own opinion
fringe marten
Also take with a grain of salt what very experienced players who are willing to push more towards DPS or their own personal play styles, in lieu of using actual 'better' equipment because they're after a more specific result.
lusty grotto
you cant just fucking tell people YEAH GO STRAIGHT DPS, DIE LIKE A CHAMP ON 8s
sick sentinel
but I'm main dps so I don't have too many opportunities to form my own opinion x)
he asked if a third bom is worth dropping 15 ilvl from a dps perspective in m+, the answer is yes
lusty grotto
because you do 18s
sick sentinel
Nim, I won't do something which kills me for much longer
that's why I only went for the dps aspect of it
I know that dead don't do dps, I'm a freaking dps myself xD
hense I can equip a defensive trinket if I need it for a boss, even as dps
IF
fringe marten
'from a dps perspective' BoM is ridiculously strong, and during that window..it's also ridiculously defensively strong. And M+ flows that way..you do large pulls when bigger cd's are lined up for yourself and DPS.
sick sentinel
What do you mean? a question was asked about dps,, which he even clarified.. espousing that he should play defensively or that it hits his survivability or w/e isn't even part of the question he asked lol
daring marlin
I wouldn’t drop ilvl for BoM. Though I do have three 415 BoM pieces. :^)
lusty grotto
its almost as if BoM is available in a shitload of pieces
you know
where getting that high ilvl wouldn't be as hard
daring marlin
The damage boost 15 ilvl less of BoM wouldn’t be enough IMO to justify doing it.
lusty grotto
so you equip some other high ilvl meanwhile
daring marlin
That sentence was shit but oh well LOL
fringe marten
I didn't see his original question; just saw 'is bom worth 15 ilevels on a chest piece' It's super strong but what's on the higher ilevel chest? What do you wanna do with it? But if it's "Dps in M+" BoM is king.
lusty grotto
fair enough
fringe marten
I'll put it this way..I think BoM is so strong in M+, if it gets nerfed I'll basically think it's justified.
lusty grotto
go for BoM then @sick sentinel
daring marlin
Depends on the key and the affixes.
lusty grotto
he said hes not doing anything that kills him
fringe marten
Then do higher keys
That's literally the whole fun of M+
It'll go as hard as you can.
lusty grotto
it doesn't matter
there you go
hell
why even go BoM
just go Treacherous Covenant
🤷
sick sentinel
thx for the debate and opinions guys, helps me out
just tired of not getting into higher keys as fury
so thinking of tanking m+ and raiding dps
TC is giga, but you can't really get away with it in higher keys
But I'm not yet at that lvl
fringe marten
Honestly I'm just waiting for the warrior nerf. In the past..? 3?+ years of WoW...ANY TIME warrior tanking is being seen by the community as a whole as "quite good" the nerfs are coming.
sick sentinel
how do you guys adapt to routes and learn the different ones, just by doing or dling some routes to method dung tools or any other tips?
fringe marten
When we're percieved as trash; but the small handful of people who play it well still thrive with it; then it's been squished back into whatever hole the devs want us in.
lusty grotto
if i had to give advice to you on the matter, i'd say start with altering the Raider.io ones
they do the weekly route thing
sick sentinel
yeah my biggest issue with m+ tanking is just learning the optimal routes
feels like such an undertaking
lusty grotto
so just change it up with what works for your group comp
daring marlin
@sick sentinel Just use your highest ilvl
Like literally every top M+ prot warrior does
sick sentinel
pretty sure m+ prot warrs don't have issues of "highest ilvl"
fringe marten
Drax; usually I do personal experience...done most dungeons enough to know how I want to do it with my group/affixes. But Dratnos' routes on raider.io are very helpful and I still look at them. The ABSOLUTE BEAUTY of this season is that your routes are going to get tweaked EVERY WEEK just by infested movement. Only a few affixes will change how you approach dungeons during the reaping season. Thank god.
daring marlin
They sure shit ain’t stacking BoM.
fringe marten
I meant AREN'T going to get tweaked by infested movement.
sick sentinel
yeah like, Idc too much what TOP warrs are doing for the time being, it truly was more "what can I bring to time keys even faster" at the lvl I'm at
which is around 10-12s for now
I'm mainly a raider, pvp some, but I'm very interrested in evolving my m+ game
fringe marten
Drax the short explanation is; every dungeon's timer is pushed forward with the help of a rogue on any serious key levels. And you pull as big as you can live through; with respect to the key affixes. If you do that you will time every dungeon.
lusty grotto
oh
lusty grotto
"youll pull as big as you can live"?
outer dew
lol
fringe marten
a larger epeen makes you live longer you PLEB~ 😛
outer dew
what ilvl do darkshore rares dorp?
sick sentinel
yeah nim I see where you're going
lusty grotto
385s
sick sentinel
if I am tankier and it allows me to pull more = higher dps for all my dpsers
fringe marten
Yeah; as long as your DPS are solid and relevant for the key level you're doing...and you aren't tanking trash packs for a minute~ You'll be ok.
sick sentinel
and ofc the bigger pull doesn't equal deaths of my teammates instead
fringe marten
I understand you're making a reference to the discussion earlier about DPS/Survivability.
sick sentinel
lovely stupid Lost Goat WQ
lusty grotto
if that matters anyway
sick sentinel
where the hell is the yeti
lusty grotto
because apparently i do far less content than that other dude
sick sentinel
I didn't say survivability isn't valuable, but you went on a tangent about it when he asked a simple question about dps in m+
fringe marten
And if you're playing prot right..and using BoM on some gear; your DPS on trash will actually matter a LOT. as in..you'll be top DPS on some large pulls that don't live too long.
daring marlin
BoM isn’t required to do insane damage at all.
fringe marten
Oh also WTF is up with rogues right now? Their zonewides are sky rocketing.
lusty grotto
pretty much everyone is rolling one, since they are on high demand due to shroud and their 5 stack dps
astral crystal
they're doing nuts dps right now
lusty grotto
if people are waiting for nerfs, i'd bet on rogue nerfs first
watch shroud get gutted
daring marlin
Fun police inc
fringe marten
no I know that...but even the really good rogues I run with before were doing...expected good damage. Then in the last couple weeks I've seen even garbage rogues suddenly skyrocket into insane zonewides. Did they tweak an azerite trait or are people just getting better gear..?
lusty grotto
i do know most are rolling outlaw and when they get 5 stacks of roll the dice buffs they go nuts
which im pretty sure is a trait
daring marlin
Blade Flurry on AoE is insane.
lusty grotto
but once again im not sure 100%, maybe someone else can answer that for you
daring marlin
and reaping is an insane amount of aoe
lusty grotto
same as rets
they go balls to the wall on reaping
since their aoe was tweaked in 8.1 and reaping mobs are ghosts
crude garden
just google "keep your wits about you" and you know why outlaw rogues are completely busted right now
lusty grotto
there you go heh
daring marlin
The reaping mobs being ghosts just means they can stun with Wake.
crude garden
the trait is completely broken
daring marlin
It’s all the DS buff and Light’s Decree.
Especially if they have multiple LD traits.
lusty grotto
ya
daring marlin
That along with empyrean power it’s just insane AoE on reaping
My ret goofed on the big pull before blood bitch in a 16 AD
waked before I got a second clap
goofyass
balmy talon
Some of you still knows which tints who is working? Got prot hidden artifact, and now i want the Fury one, but idk which tints who still works for BFA to get it
naive panther
Just got Ashvane' Wardens crest. Can't decide meticulous scheming or reckless flurry
sickest chest ever
open bluff
@balmy talon the +15 tint and mage tower base tint (which unlocks the ability to earn the other 3) are unobtainable
Otherwise go ham
finite bolt
is there a list of a good azrite traits to pick with 5? or no?
short shore
hello! I'm running mythic plus with a friend, and she has trouble keeping aggro. I checked logs, and I notice that her top damange done ability is Melee, where everyone else looks like it' s thunderclap. I found that her Avator uptime is a bit low, but still, I see that her average hit thunderclap is 6k, instead of 11k for other warriors
what would be the reason of that low average hit/thunderclap?
sick sentinel
link the log
short shore
stone cloud
she has like 7+ seconds inbetween TC's during avatar
when during ava it should be every second global
sometimes shes not even using TC during avatar
short shore
hmm I see
stone cloud
+7 enchants to rings? wot
sick sentinel
Has huge downtime inbetween abilities, literally huge gaps where no ability is being pressed
doesn't use TC off GCD
rarely if at all uses Shield Slam
Isn't using Demo off CD
Missed a fuckload of Avatar uptime
short shore
well that's a start I guess
sick sentinel
Looks like your friend might benefit from looking at the rotation section of the icy veins guide
Probably a good place to start
stone cloud
i dunno what ui/bars/wa's shes using also but getting some wa's in the middle of her screen would help too if she doesnt already
if shes just using blizz i know you can miss cd's gcd's ect cause your focusd on dodging things
short shore
I'm pretty sure she has some wa, but not sure what
but yeah I just wanted to know if the rotation was messed up
I've never played warrior before so I wasn't sure
stone cloud
as for the low hitting tc's
yea she didnt use demo once
while playing booming voice
stone cloud
on cd or paired with avatar
balmy talon
Can i still do 30 MoS runs for getting the hidden artifact colors? im not talking about mage tower one, but the hidden
autumn cosmos
do you guys think it matters what professions i level
like, if you had to choose professions for gear
lusty grotto
most people are going engineering for the BR and goggles
autumn cosmos
so engineering
what else
i got a 370 rezan on my warrior, alchemy i guess for the trinket?
lusty grotto
alchemy is very good y eah
open bluff
alch/engineering/JC are solid choices
415 ring with a guaranteed socket is not something to take lightly 
brisk ferry
400 Rezans, 400 Knot, 405 Prism. Strictly for M+ what would you use?
open bluff
rezan/prism
brisk ferry
ok cool thanks
ember arrow
is that catfriends run
primal sable
ok what
primal sable
thats some unorthodox way of bricking a key
could have just taken a snack break or something
who has the mental to die for 421 times
ember arrow
1 time too many
lusty grotto
the squad
421 deaths and almost timed it, id say that's bragging rights
also tofus bear is probably like 320 ilvl lol
what is it though now im curious @outer dew
lusty grotto
nice nice
civic owl
Well, it's kind of a good strat to begin a key with the old Bwonsamdi's buff, unequip your stuff and run into the moobs, a bit painful to see 40 death after that !
halcyon nacelle
5 ilvl worth going from haste + krit to mastery + krit on boots?
and sockets on rings are always worth right
ebon hound
halcyon nacelle
was thinking about mastery vers ring vs freehold ring with socket on 400
already on 1.5-1.6k haste and only 700 mastery
halcyon nacelle
isnt haste always better?
you might hate my when i post my char
kinda forgot that i get 1.8k mastery in avatar
yep he hates me now and doesnt answer :/
lusty grotto
Rofl
modern brook
Who pinged me >:(
sick sentinel
okay yeah i need to enable it so i know if i push the wrong thing
how do i move it?
its like stuck on my screen
@astral crystal
astral crystal
uhh not sure, check if there's a lock/unlock box somewhere
or at the bottom of the window or something
astral crystal
oh wow lol
sick sentinel
yeah idk why its in that spot
signal plover
Default blizzbar problemz
frosty hearth
hey guys this might not matter but i am lvling my warrior as prot through timewalking and just wondering is using ingore pain worth alot or better to spend on revenge (i thought i heard somewere that ignore pain was really undertunned)
restive pivot
IP is not undertuned. Its one of the two skills you should most of the time maintain if you at all want to mitigate incoming damage.
So if survival>damage=IP, if damage>survival =revenge
Note though if you have callous reprisal you might want to keep track of your stacks.
frosty hearth
ok ty so then as i am starting out i probly go the rot to maintaing it and not worry about dmg so much
restive pivot
You will deal damage anyway. Most of your damage will be through thunderclap.
Try to maintain shield block most of the time.
If you can use IP in addition to shield block, you will easily survive for a good time.
frosty hearth
ok sounds good just lvling this guy for m+ mostly anyways
restive pivot
Do not use two big defensives at the same time.
Yeah i am really only talking about m+ environment.
There are really knowledgable and helpful guys around here.
You can ask anything and they will just help you with their best. I improved a lot thanks to them.
prime rivet
which trinkets do y'all prefer for m+? i have vial, rezan, opulence, sporepods, and jes' howler
oblique garnet
if you do like a 3 pack pull theres no harm blowing some cds they will be back up for the next pack most likely
rezan and opulence trinket
sick sentinel
if you want to know the best rotation for tanks, nerf says shout, shield block immediately as you can then just pop avatar and spam your shield block and thunder claps
oblique garnet
opulence trinket purely because its completely broken
sick sentinel
i only pop cds if i absoutely need too
oblique garnet
and by cds i mean shieldwall
sick sentinel
i press shield block and ip maybe like once majority is revenge and shield block and thunder clap
revenge is priority
fresh valley
i have a 410 vial, 400 alchemist, 395 butcher's block
should i go with vial/alchemist?
oblique garnet
also @sick sentinel that rotation is somewhat wrong
dense flame
how do i skip both packs before 2nd boss in atal? Do i have to have rogue?
cause inivs pot didn't work due to the shieldbearers having true sight
but i saw that sense group skips those
dense flame
so you go left edge, then walk right past pack before 2nd boss as normal?
sharp night
yes
oblique garnet
@dense flame you cant do that without shroud
mint adder
@fresh valley vial/butcher’s block for myth plus and vial/alchemy trink for raid
crystal heron
anyone else feel like the timewalking dungeons are a bit over tuned?
drowsy flume
For engineer second ring, whats the best? Cant make up my mind what I want
mythic plus traits prefered
oblique garnet
Rng from that
drowsy flume
and guessing auto self cauterizer is best?
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel we were dropping 15 ilvls for BoM in s1, but now since we have 2 rings, chances are you are gonna get the same damage overall if you equip a 400 piece over a 385, with the dps traits on it. It really depends on the piece of gear, middle traits, outer traits (such as BFI) etc.
@sick sentinel if you want to know the best rotation for tanks, you read the guides.
@halcyon nacelle you always enchant haste
sick sentinel
most of the time you are full or close to full health anyway so you have to get a lucky proc for the heal to actually do something and the bleed removal might sound good but it's kind of rare for it to cleanse something actually useful.
I have used both and I prefer absorbotron and marok in his guide also prefers absorbotron so I will go with that\
umbral forge
Can you spell reflect Cyclone Strike in ToS?
sick sentinel
yes
not if it is targeting you
it has to target somebody else to do so
and you have to press it last second or keep the other guy interrupted
umbral forge
Only one or all of them?
sick sentinel
because if you spell reflect the jolt and then take cyclone strike in the face and die
one is the safe
all if you have big balls
umbral forge
So all
sick sentinel
if you reflect all it is going to do like 30% of his health or something
umbral forge
Im a Prot Warrior not a Prot Pala.
Cheers
undone sun
hmmm
oblique garnet
you can just ask for an interrupt
for the jolt
and you can reflect the cyclone strike
gray moon
im trying to do icecrown 25h but it keeps going to 10 man heroic
any idea why
i want the mount
and it only drops on 25 heroic
umbral forge
did you kill a boss on 10m hc?
hushed minnow
410
placid coyote
marble wave
Idk why everyone told about kr trinket is bad. 80+k instant shielding is very good in critical situations
sick sentinel
because it has really long CD for a defensive trinket
idk i never used it
rather have something offensive or pure stat based trinkets
daring patrol
does anyone know of a decent M+ discord and/or community? My guild has one group of serious M+ players, and the rest are either raid loggers or only care enough to get their 10 done for the week
stiff niche
What traits are prot warriors looking for? 1 deafening crash atleast 1 bastion of might then would brace for impact be what we want to stack?
sick sentinel
For alliance there's the 2k club which is a decent m+ community on NA but they don't invite people without 2k io, the other option is the generic discord which is https://discordapp.com/invite/A8jAwq which has a lot of active players at all levels looking for groups
They're the most well known for NA alliance
@stiff niche https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor
Thanks @sick sentinel!
stiff niche
Thanks prawn. I was just looking at iceyveins. Normally I find their guides out of date but it was just updated this month. Thanks again.
daring patrol
thanks prawn
sick sentinel
There's a horde equivalent of the + discord, it's stickied in one of the help channels in the Alliance one
sick sentinel
is there EU Alliance m+ discord too ? That one says US only ;_;
pugging higher keys with lfg tool have high chance of activating the 5th hidden affix called "Nightmare"
marble wave
@sick sentinel at least i have stable 400 str from my 415 kr trinket ;)
daring marlin
KR trinket is gr8
modern pulsar
so i'm having a really hard time finding a best in slot azerite trait resource . The icy viens guide doesn't even have all of the new season ones listed like blood rite for example and other resources have very different rankings. anyone recommend the best resource for this
austere oar
It's because you want to be taking prot specific trait
magic hazel
steel mauve
usually if its not listed then its not worth taken since the icyveins guide is up to date
taking*
safe goblet
I know this was discussed hours ago, but in tos with the cyclone strike, you can spell reflect each clone he shoots out at once? Or is it just one of the cyclones? I guess what I'm asking is: as long as aspix is interrupted, I can spell reflect adderis by face hugging him?
sick sentinel
you can reflect all
safe goblet
Holy jesus
sick sentinel
it's like 30%+ of his health
safe goblet
And to double-check, i can't be the target?
sick sentinel
correct
lost ether
If you manage to do it you probably gain like20s on the timer
sand egret
and if you fail....
lost ether
Ya but thats the fun
sick sentinel
@modern pulsar the icy veins guide takes 'Best in Slot' to mean 'most survivability' it also only deals with prot specific traits.. not sure why a lot of the generics have not been included. Realistically traits like Treacherous Cov, Rezans Fury, Thunderous Blast are all really strong traits but offer very little in terms of survivability which is why I assume they aren't included in the guide.
modern pulsar
Yeah Blood Rite in particular made me ask the question, because a haste proc is not a "prot specific" trait, but haste is king for us and it seems stronger than the alternative of blood sport on the ring i'm looking at.
lusty grotto
ilvl is king for defensiveness, not haste
so like prawn said, bloodsport provides way more defensiveness than a haste proc
modern pulsar
this isn't a question of ilvl , it's a 415 peice , but alright i was under the impression more haste means casting my abilities more often/more defensiveness
lusty grotto
you'd be right, but its not comparable to what you get with bloodsport
sick sentinel
it depends on what you're after, Bloodsport is a decent trait but offers you nothing offensively. Bloodrite provides less value defensively, but does come with a DPS increase.. it's also can have very high uptimes in M+ since it resets the duration on kills.
The main thing when comparing traits is to look at the content you're doing, assess what you're after and then use your brain
Tank BiS is very nuanced compared to traditional DPS biS
lusty grotto
yup
primal crypt
Having multi pieces would be great
sand egret
you mean SotP
lusty grotto
hmm
primal crypt
/agree
primal crypt
But yeah, affix change throws a wrench in trait usefulness
And you would want to switch up for max utility
Im lazy and cheap so i left my bloodsports on
Because cba
sand egret
also I think Bloodrites refresh gets too much cred in M+
primal crypt
I never checked, but does bloodrites not have any sort of icd?
sand egret
when things are dying is kinda not when you’ll need the potential benefit of increased survivability
primal crypt
I remember using it on my dk, but that's because dk specific traits suck. Even then, bloodrites didn't seem very efficient
sand egret
outside of like lil adds packs
lusty grotto
plus its fort week so yeah
primal crypt
Maybe if you stack bloodrites??
But why would you stack bloodrites as a prot warrior
Our traits are too strong
As much as people love to talk about the offense, having more survivability can be offensive as well, stay alive to tclap more
sand egret
Ya, at the end of the day, Prot traits are really solid
dim blaze
In underrot where the boss pukes on you in a frontal cone... I’ve been able to outrange it but more luck than skill. Is there a timing that you can always move back without him following you to outrange it?
sand egret
he casts it at ~50-60% energy
safe goblet
I just started on prot myself, but as a brew I found that if I roll backwards as soon as the timer goes off I can outrange it. I was planning on trying to intercept someone on my war sometime to find out if I can do the same. If the timer is the same as leap, then prolly gonna use that
sand egret
you could just run backwards when he casts it and be fine, the range is quite short
generally you should save Leap for helping out with Tantrum, but if you got a bunch of speedbois on the squad, that works
safe goblet
Yeah, I don't, my main group is basically all locks and a rogue... Thanks for the heads up
sand egret
the keys to know are: a) Indegestion is cast based on his energy level and b) it's a frontal cone of ~8 yards.
valid knot
[Everchill Anchor] 385
[Rezan's Gleaming Eye] 390
[Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine] 400
[Grong's Primal Rage] 400
[Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity] 370
[Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block] 385
What 2 should i use for m+? Rly need some help with this
sick sentinel
you cant sim prot
but rezan and block is good
mekka trinket is also good i like it
undone sun
well, you can
daring marlin
Blood rite is trash
undone sun
just wont be as reliable as other specs can sim
daring marlin
It’ll most likely proc on pull and not even be active as things die
so no buff to extend
barren crescent
hey guys, i might need some help here
im currently using a 415 jes howler and a 400 spirited alchemist stone, not raiding mythic so not gonna upgrade anytime soon
barren crescent
this morning i got a 405 socket mchimbas ritual bandages
and just now i got a 420 socket razdunks big red button
now i dont really know which combination to wear :/
cosmic plinth
Another trinket question - Gore block with a haste gem or Rezan's without gem. Equal ilvl. Other trinket is the Opulence one
warm plinth
@cosmic plinth Rezan's
sick sentinel
Thats just incorrect @daring marlin even if you dont consider the refresh, 800 haste for 15 seconds on a 1min ICD is by no means trash
and only increases in value if you reproc it
Both defensively and offensively it has value, and it is very strong in M+
It is one of the stronger DPS traits for prot
neon tangle
@sand egret @primal crypt blood rite is even better than the BDK trait they made that just gives you haste on 8.1
Imagine if Blood Rite has more of an impact on you than BoM
umbral forge
On my Blood DK I just tank with unholy traits.
neon tangle
Bro you’re missing on on the 200 dps from deep cuts
primal crypt
deep cuts lul
sand egret
ooof
yeah...that's a rough world to be in. At least on my BrM i just shut off my brain
this is the best
umbral forge
I mean sure, when I get my second set of 415 azerite I'll set up a blood gear but... y'know. Blood traits < 15 ilvl
daring marlin
@sick sentinel A.) Haste procs are ridiculously overrated. B.) Bloodsport would still be better because the dps gain is super minimal.
sand egret
if Prot wars are sado's then BrM's are maso's. I'm sitting here pulling more shit so I can actually get some stagger to feel alive
umbral forge
But the fetid logs
neon tangle
@umbral forge blood traits < margin or error in a pile of cases
sand egret
yeah I totally see why that post exists
warm plinth
It's not quite that bad since 8.1 at least
sand egret
the class is incentivizing me to do dumb shit so I can actually feel like i'm tanking haha. It's weird (not necessarily bad, but SO different than Prot)
umbral forge
Prot is literally
I can't even Describe how great prot is
Its just so good to play
sand egret
gotta say, you really need to hop on other tanks to see how Prot is in relative terms
umbral forge
I play all tanks except dh & druid
sand egret
now with my Furboi and my Drunkboi, it's quite fun to swap up the playstyle
warm plinth
Could have just said "I play all tanks"; we would have known what you meant.
umbral forge
Ooof
sand egret
druids get so much uncessary hate tbh
daring marlin
They do.
neon tangle
@umbral forge i wish prot had a more interesting resource system tbh
daring marlin
Same as prot pre 8.1.
lusty grotto
sounds like pre 8.1 prot
warm plinth
Haha, druids at this point seem more like...other tanks are better, not that they're bad. Kind of like some prot traits
lusty grotto
screw you guilfart
daring marlin
When we didn’t change all that much.
warm plinth
Er talents
neon tangle
@daring marlin it’s almost like prot could have been pushing super high keys with it’s crazy dps in 8.0
lusty grotto
hehehehheheehehe
neon tangle
And that tofu and friends pushing the dps over kiting pulls style was right
sand egret
vdh's have an inherently broken setup, which sucks but like....Furbois are just the classic case of "someone has to be at the bottom"
umbral forge
Community perception is a lot. I'd rather have a good vengeance tank than a mediocre prot paladin
warm plinth
Yeah, VDH just really needs their AM fixed
sand egret
it just needs to have like 5 seconds shaved off
warm plinth
Well yeah, of course. But that doesn't change the fact that the spec needs help
sand egret
and scrap the whole Spirit Bomb shit
neon tangle
@warm plinth naw just buff their base armor and stam until glick plays one
warm plinth
lolol
sand egret
but anyway, Prot is such a special cookie in terms of how it plays
warm plinth
Spirit Bomb is a very fun playstyle imo. They had that spec perfect in Legion; it was just as fun as prot then. But then their self healing AND their mitigation was nerfed at the same time.
By a lot
neon tangle
@sand egret is it though?
sand egret
yeah, it's pretty unique in a lot of aspects
neon tangle
Prot is just build resource, spend resource on damage or mitigation
sand egret
specifically on how it approaches damage
lusty grotto
blade means its not a reactionary class
sand egret
comes from a fundamentally different place
neon tangle
Press CD, press ability that is mega buffed by CD
sand egret
having no recourse to damage since taken is quite different
we can meme about TCLap spam all day, but there is still the subtext that this must be done while also maintaining a proactive mindset of your mitigation at the same time
daring marlin
Mostly DPS memeing about it
daring marlin
wow more than 50% of your total damage is tclap!?!?!?!??!?!?!!!
lusty grotto
oh lol
sick sentinel
I don't know if you're memeing or? @daring marlin I know you say some special things, but saying proc haste is 'overrated' what on earth are you talking about
It's worth even more since it can have significantly higher uptime if played around
daring marlin
Not memeing whatsoever.
sick sentinel
If you added 'in your opinion' then sure, but factually it's just incorrect
lusty grotto
we discussed this already
are mobs gonna die quick enough for refreshes to happen on Fort week?
sick sentinel
More than likely not, and that chance reduces the higher you go
daring marlin
it’s so good
sick sentinel
But it is still a strong trait for DPS and provides defensive benefit
It is by no means trash
Which is what he said
Which is wrong
lusty grotto
so the whole refreshing factor is pretty much not something that really matters, especially if haste is supposed to be strong when mobs are actually alive
sick sentinel
🤷
lusty grotto
he didn't say trash
lusty grotto
he said haste procs are overrated
primal crypt
REZAN OR BUST
daring marlin
filthy rabbit thing
daring marlin
I did say that
sick sentinel
🤷
sick sentinel
We should care
Since we're offering advice to people who come here
So the more accurate and correct we are
lusty grotto
you seem to be on a crusade for your own advice to go through
sick sentinel
The better experience the new player will have
lusty grotto
honestly
primal sable
i thought skyhold was just heaps of memes
sick sentinel
I just hate people providing incorrect information
lusty grotto
that's what ive been getting from this past few days
sick sentinel
Especially since this discord is considered a meme
Blood rite technical is trash since our own traits far out perform it
lusty grotto
then why are you even here
sick sentinel
To try and fix that perception, one correction at a time 🤷
primal crypt
Prot discord is considered a meme??
daring marlin
@sick sentinel I’ll alter what I said then
primal crypt
what?
daring marlin
COMPARED TO BLOODSPORT BLOOD RITE IS TRASH LOL
sick sentinel
In every realistic situation, our traits are far better that it is trash in any regard
lusty grotto
i mean i respect that, since i usually try to get people to read the guides instead of providing instant answers
primal crypt
Why is this discord considered a meme?
lusty grotto
and that's an uphill battle
primal crypt
^
umbral forge
I use BB and Jaina HC trinket. Should I swap BB out for Thermaplugg trinket?
daring marlin
@sick sentinel I guarantee you’ll be in the minority in that battle
warm plinth
What about 2nd and 3rd DC trait? 🤔
lusty grotto
look
sick sentinel
@umbral forge use thermplugg
umbral forge
Thanks
sick sentinel
BB can make u too dependent on it's failsafe
primal crypt
BB?
sick sentinel
Bwons
primal crypt
oh gross
primal crypt
I got one
sand egret
well damn this place got spicy real fast
daring marlin
He condescends to me while advocating for a generic over a prot specific
shit’s hilarious
sick sentinel
I'd keep it for grievous week
lusty grotto
why grievous week for bargain?
primal crypt
if anything, prob for bursting week
lusty grotto
kinda seems like the worst week to use it on
primal crypt
it would be really helpful
sick sentinel
It gives a shield so I'm assuming necro impacts it
sick sentinel
It can also with bursting
sand egret
bwom's would be even worse this week i'd imagine
primal crypt
asap
lusty grotto
it'd be worse for sure
sick sentinel
It is which is why I'd only really recommend it personally for grievous or burst
sick sentinel
Kill faster
Bursting
primal crypt
ez
sick sentinel
Something's wrong there
primal crypt
lmao
lusty grotto
i dont know about grievous though, i guess it helps but if the dmg afterwards makes you stay in 5 stack range, idk
daring marlin
Only goes to 4 now 😛
lusty grotto
oh right
sick sentinel
But harder tick
primal crypt
BUT
lusty grotto
dunno dunno
primal crypt
you want Opulence trinket anyway
for bursting
which is better than any of the others
so...
sick sentinel
I'd take any defense during bursting
primal crypt
that, plus X
lusty grotto
hmm
primal crypt
triple quake to my face
daring marlin
I need to do opulence this week still
primal crypt
"tank why you dead"
sand egret
i dunno quake w/ pugs is fascinating
daring marlin
too many things to do
sand egret
you can see the thought process live
primal crypt
I've had pugs chase me down with quake
lusty grotto
bonus rolled oppulence, nothing