protection

[opal peak]

U ain’t doing things right

At least not with necrotic

(Limited to packs/pulls u will likely need to kite)

[slow nimbus]

You know I've been leveling this whole time and never once tried to charge a party member. Forgot about that functionality

[opal peak]

If ur healer sits back u can easily intercept to them and ur good to go

[slow nimbus]

Still only 113

[lusty grotto]

Intercept*

[opal peak]

Or ranged

[sand egret]

if you find a lone orb guy you can always Intercept + Storm Bolt him (to prevent the auto attack)

but yeah your healer should position to let you intercept em

I use that shit all the time

• you get rage

[slow nimbus]

Sorry. I'm leveling a warrior for the first time since bc and still getting a difficult grasp on the fact that the old charge, intercept, and intervene have been consolidated into one ability

[lusty grotto]

No

Charge is still charge

It's just in arms and fury

[sand egret]

it's just for Prot, Intercept is Intercept. Charge is just enemies (for Fury/Arms)

[slow nimbus]

Oh ok

[sand egret]

when it comes to tanks, we're very mobile

[lusty grotto]

2nd only to brm imo

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet latei think we have a shrine yes

[daring patrol]

charge is for WAAAGGHHH, changing spec to prot activates left brain cell, lets WAAAGGHHH in reverse

[sand egret]

VDH prob beats us

[lusty grotto]

Vdh can't touch us, nah

[sand egret]

but then again, are they a tank?

[primal crypt]

Most likely going back in for that 19 temple

Try and get that 20

[slow nimbus]

I learned to tank on a brewmaster and then transitioned to Vengeance DH. So everything else feels slow and less mobile.

[sand egret]

with the talent, yeah I'd say it beats u

us*

[primal crypt]

Will most likely stream

[oblique garnet]

i will flame you

if you fail the reflect

[primal crypt]

But I need to revert weakaura update

[sand egret]

^

[oblique garnet]

yamo

[primal crypt]

I was getting 10fps

[oblique garnet]

just reinstall weakauras 2

[sand egret]

just gonna clip the 1st boss

[oblique garnet]

and its gucci

[lusty grotto]

Imo

[oblique garnet]

you have twitch app right?

[primal crypt]

Nah, WA just tweeted out to revert

[sick sentinel]

If you are going go tank tos

Pack up some skysteps

[oblique garnet]

I didnt have to revert

[primal crypt]

Because the past two patches are bugged

[oblique garnet]

i just reinstalled the app

[lusty grotto]

Teamchip deplete shrine 13 on alts tonight imo

[oblique garnet]

and 200 fps

[primal crypt]

Ill reinstall and check

[oblique garnet]

teamchip is ded

[primal crypt]

But yeah, 19 Temple and a bunch of 17s on the docket tonight

[oblique garnet]

my druid is 115

still

[primal crypt]

Ill stream most of it

[sand egret]

its ok Late, my monk is 116

you got time

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet @primal crypt @modern brook @sand egret teamchip deplete shrine 13 tonight imo

Motherfuckers

[oblique garnet]

yeah but but

[lusty grotto]

Hurry up

[primal crypt]

I cant tonightttt

[slow nimbus]

It used to be in BC, you had charge, intercept, and intervene. Charge and intercept were literally the same thing except charge generated rage and could only be used out of combat while intercept cost rage and could be used in combat. And intervene which could only be used in defensive stance was the one that charge party members. Don't remember whether it cost or generated rage

[lusty grotto]

We know orange

[chilly brook]

Teamchip is bad 😉

[lusty grotto]

I've been a war since vanilla

[primal crypt]

A lot of us have

[lusty grotto]

Intervene wasnt even in vanilla. It was a tbc ability

[primal crypt]

Only stance dance

[lusty grotto]

Stance dancing to intercept/ber rage fears etc

[primal crypt]

Charge intercept

[oblique garnet]

i havent

[primal crypt]

Berserker stance

Yikes

[oblique garnet]

played since vanilla ::)

[lusty grotto]

Liar

[oblique garnet]

I didnt even main warrior since bfa

[lusty grotto]

Youre late

[slow nimbus]

I played from Vanilla to wrath. Quit during wrath and didn't come back until legion prepatch at end of WoD

[opal peak]

Same

[lusty grotto]

I only quit on mop

[chilly brook]

WRATH BABY REPRESENT!

[primal crypt]

I think cata, mists, wod

[opal peak]

Tho not war 😌

[lusty grotto]

Came cack end of mop

[primal crypt]

Thats when I was at real war

Wasnt much better

[opal peak]

That’s wrong emote but oh well

[chilly brook]

Jk technically I started in tbc

[oblique garnet]

I used to be a filthy warlock main :^)

[lusty grotto]

I've always been warrior main

100%

[opal peak]

Ele sham main 😎

[chilly brook]

But I was a pink plate fairy

[lusty grotto]

Tried swapping to boomy wod, didn't work

[opal peak]

Lb/cl spam

[chilly brook]

Aka prot pally

[lusty grotto]

Disgusting griff

[chilly brook]

Hey

[lusty grotto]

Hehe

[chilly brook]

In my defense

Being captain America was cool

[lusty grotto]

Nimchipadin is 100% always going to be hpal

[chilly brook]

The first time I threw that shield middle school me thought I was cool

[oblique garnet]

paladins

cool

choose one

[chilly brook]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[chilly brook]

I mean clearly I learned

I’m a warrior now

[lusty grotto]

True

[chilly brook]

I actually had a prot warrior alt back in Wrath as well though

[lusty grotto]

OK so which alt is ready for shrine deplete

[chilly brook]

But I was so casual

[lusty grotto]

Only bull?

Yamo can't

[sand egret]

wrath babies =/

[lusty grotto]

Blade and Late slowpokes

[chilly brook]

Like I said technically I started in TBC I just never really experienced endgame until Wrath

[opal peak]

I was a big fan of tbc endgame

[chilly brook]

Extreme casual during TBC

[sand egret]

college screwed my endgame dreams in wrath

[lusty grotto]

Shearchip sifh

Sighhhh

[oblique garnet]

Bunch of grandpas over here

[chilly brook]

No u

[lusty grotto]

Blade older than me imo

[oblique garnet]

I had to fake my voice to be able to raid in bv and wrath

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure you’re all older than me

[dense plover]

With Jes Howler is it only worth poppin if you have 3-4 in w you? Also whats the range on it?

[lusty grotto]

Probs

[chilly brook]

Late how old are you?

[sand egret]

@dense plover I'm pretty sure it says 12 yrds on the trinket

[oblique garnet]

22

[chilly brook]

Oh damn

He’s younger than me

[lusty grotto]

Hmm I thought you were younger

[chilly brook]

Just turned 23 this month

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[opal peak]

Ooph

[lusty grotto]

I'm old

[native pawn]

How do you get rid of the blizzard visual for shield slam proc?

[dense plover]

I guess I can /range 12 and see whos gonna get it

[sand egret]

I prefer the term, "refined", Nim

[dense plover]

Is it worth poping for less then 3 peopel?

[lusty grotto]

Finely aged like wine

[undone sun]

hmm

[chilly brook]

@native pawn you don’t

[native pawn]

And why don't you

[lusty grotto]

Why would you though

[oblique garnet]

@dense plover are you talking m+ or raid and what situation howler is eh because of the 2 min cd it has

[dense plover]

M+

[chilly brook]

Because why would you?

[native pawn]

I have weakauras that show me these things

[chilly brook]

And also because there’s no option for it

[oblique garnet]

What other trinkets do you have?

[native pawn]

I know when its off cooldown why would i need an obnoxious red shield on my screen

[sand egret]

@dense plover I wouldn't be "holding" it for certain moments, but using it on the most people is how you'd "optimize" it, yeah.

[lusty grotto]

You mean the glow around your character?

[chilly brook]

Red shield on your screen? Wut

[native pawn]

the red shield glow

[daring patrol]

there used to be an option to get rid of it

[chilly brook]

Oh

[dense plover]

Its my only 400 atm

[lusty grotto]

Yeah red shield shouldn't be default ui though

[oblique garnet]

Oh rip

[chilly brook]

Iirc it’s not

[sick sentinel]

What mythic plus would be good for 371+ prot war

[dense plover]

Why is it in the top tier trinks if its meh? or is that for raids really

[native pawn]

well wtf lol

[lusty grotto]

AD @sick sentinel

[daring patrol]

it is default ui

[oblique garnet]

Its like a big defensive cd

For raids

[lusty grotto]

Defensively it's top oh he blocked me this morning

[native pawn]

@daring patrol oyu know how to get rid of it?

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto like what level too 2, 4 ,6 ext

[lusty grotto]

Pretty sure there's an option to turn it off on the ui settings

[chilly brook]

Eh I guess the red shield is default

[opal peak]

I think I did my first 10 on my war around 360-370

[dense plover]

Gotcha so for M+ its semi meh because less likely to hit all 4

[chilly brook]

But I never found it to be on the way

[opal peak]

Tho depends on if ur full pug

[lusty grotto]

385? You can do anything up to 9, I did 10s easily

[oblique garnet]

@dense plover and you get more benefit of other trinkets since it doesnt really line up with avatar that well

[native pawn]

It's not super in the way just unnecessary

[sick sentinel]

im trying to get into mythic + with my prot war but i dont wanna mess up

[lusty grotto]

So probably up to 7s maybe?

[daring patrol]

you can't turn it off in the options anymore, they removed sometime after MoP

[sick sentinel]

anyone have any tips or a guide?

[lusty grotto]

Don't be afraid to mess up

[daring patrol]

you need to get an addon like extended interface options to turn it off noiw

[lusty grotto]

It's a game

[primal sable]

Are you pugging?

[oblique garnet]

Get used to pulls do low keys for practice first

[lusty grotto]

You learn from messing up

[opal peak]

Imo just do low lvl m+ to get a feel for the play

[primal sable]

If youre not, gear doesnt really matter

[sand egret]

you should try to mess up

imho

that's how you know your limits

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[chilly brook]

@native pawn spell alerts>combat

[sand egret]

nothing worse than a prot warrior pulling 3 mobs cuz they're scared of having to pop a cooldown

[chilly brook]

Uncheck it

[native pawn]

mine's a slider I moved it to off should be good now

ty

[sand egret]

it's like a dps going "i dont wanna pop my cooldowns...I could pull aggro"

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel #268491842637660160

[daring patrol]

oh, im dumb, just saw the slider

ayyy, warrior

[lusty grotto]

Never be afraid of messing up, that applies to life too

Oldmanadvice

[tender igloo]

You guys know any tricks for getting a titanforged Rezans to drop? I have tried blood sacrifice as well as song and dance and for some strange reason it still hasn't dropped

[sand egret]

well in life you can't be rezed

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[sand egret]

so maybe not the same

[brisk ferry]

lmao

[primal sable]

@sand egret this week especially, i wouldnt pull much with pugs

[sand egret]

meh

[primal sable]

Some actual brainlets out there

[chilly brook]

Go through the guide there and we’ll be happy to answer any questions you have @sick sentinel

[sand egret]

honestly I'm still pulling big

[oblique garnet]

@tender igloo it only drops on a 14 key you have to do it at a specific time of 24.24 and you have to go through left side

[lusty grotto]

To be specific you can't double triple pull on fort and much less with necro and sanguine

[sand egret]

if I can get a bunch of mobs to die at once, I save on real estate

@tender igloo what transmog you got? You need to have a combined RBG value that is an even number

if not it'll only warforge

[brisk ferry]

does 0 count as even?

[sand egret]

no, that gives you sockets

[daring patrol]

@tender igloo requires rated battlegrounds mage tower skin as well

[brisk ferry]

fuck yeha I'll take a socket

[lusty grotto]

The best way for a tf rezan is to don't farm it and wait for it to drop on weekly chest

[tender igloo]

Silly me I should have realized I had to time it EXACTLY when the planets alligned

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[slow nimbus]

Question. Are there any specific affixes that might dick me over especially bad on the warrior compared to brew?

[sand egret]

also..may seem dumb but for your blood sacrifice...what blood type?

[lusty grotto]

Yeah this week

[brisk ferry]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

Rest is np

[chilly brook]

Necrotic is booty

Other than that lol nope

[brisk ferry]

you might not fear Grievous so much as prot war

[slow nimbus]

Necrotic and sanguine?

[chilly brook]

Sanguine is ez

[lusty grotto]

Skittish is free week for us

[slow nimbus]

Grievous is terrible as brew

[sand egret]

necrotic is the only "bad" one because you can literally be in a state where you can't recover

[opal peak]

Eh just pool orbs and top off on grevious

For brew

[lusty grotto]

It's just sanguine kiting out of fucking puddles is retarded if your group doesn't help

[sand egret]

or they try and "help"

[tender igloo]

Necrotic is a bummer as prot though. You can parry the stacks I think but who stacks crit as prot?

[sand egret]

with a 50% slow

[lusty grotto]

Grievous lol

[oblique garnet]

Everyone stacks crit as prot

[sand egret]

looks at my crit rating

[brisk ferry]

mass entange in sanguine has been fun sofar

[sand egret]

this is awkward

[daring patrol]

when the 50% slow comes as sanguine drops, but not as they see you trying to kite away for necrotic

[tender igloo]

Oof

[primal sable]

Lel i got a thicc knot this week

[lusty grotto]

Yikes brostrodamus

[chilly brook]

Who doesn’t stack crit for m+?

[primal sable]

Gonna put it to use

[tender igloo]

You go crit over everything?

[chilly brook]

You know

[lusty grotto]

They are memeing

[sand egret]

not consciously

[oblique garnet]

We go ilvl

[lusty grotto]

We stack ilvl

[oblique garnet]

But

If its crit

[sand egret]

but I go ilvl, which got me crit haha

[chilly brook]

If there was still gear swapping I’d actually have a crit set for m+ for mobs

But noooooo

[lusty grotto]

Crit mastery haste so good for m+

[chilly brook]

Choice is bad

[lusty grotto]

Them dmg

[chilly brook]

Apparently

[sand egret]

also, there's a lot more +Crit trinkets from what i've seen

and crit stuff

[lusty grotto]

Knot sexy

[chilly brook]

Oh and apparently using an interface that exists inside the game is cheating

Fml I hate this games playerbase

[daring patrol]

who's memeing?

[brisk ferry]

Nim at least last night the 1 pug Boomy we had knew how to fucking cast solar beam

[tender igloo]

I take that young haste stat whenever I can idk about y'all

[oblique garnet]

Rhokzor

[lusty grotto]

So nice rhok

[oblique garnet]

No

[brisk ferry]

first time pugging one in BFA that he had double digit interrupts

[tender igloo]

But I respect your right to choose

[oblique garnet]

You cant link that

[lusty grotto]

Ruh roh late mad

[oblique garnet]

!

[chilly brook]

What can’t we link?

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[oblique garnet]

Filthy gore

[lusty grotto]

420 boyssss

[sand egret]

that is one sexy trinket

[brisk ferry]

big trinkets

[primal sable]

speed

[sick sentinel]

Gotta go fast

[oblique garnet]

Meanwhile only titanforged trinket ive gotten is 420 sporepods

[chilly brook]

They need to revert the gear swap change fr

[lusty grotto]

Fucking sporepod

[native pawn]

@daring patrol Whats your character panel addon?

[lusty grotto]

Goddamn it don't remind me

[primal sable]

Lol no, i dont have enough gear in my bags to make sets

[daring patrol]

everyone knows you take 3x longstrider

[oblique garnet]

@native pawn looks like elvui

[native pawn]

I got elvui but it only shows basic character stats

[lusty grotto]

Ugly font elvui yeah

[brisk ferry]

I actually got 3 Vampiric Speed

[daring patrol]

its either degacharacterstats or bagnon

[brisk ferry]

it is fire

[daring patrol]

dont have elv

[chilly brook]

Prolly dejastats

Or w/e it’s called

[lusty grotto]

Guys I just realized

[native pawn]

ye just got it

[lusty grotto]

Sal isn't online

It's meme friday

[undone sun]

lol

[sand egret]

backs away slowly

[chilly brook]

Time to go crazy

[oblique garnet]

Mods are sleeping?!

[daring patrol]

post sinks?

[sand egret]

time to dip before the "pogs" are flyin

[lusty grotto]

Hold up time for quote of the day

[oblique garnet]

🚓🚓

[chilly brook]

Poggers

[undone sun]

🤣

[native pawn]

Ok guys important prot question

[brisk ferry]

dang that is a great qotd

[lusty grotto]

Wew quote of the day

[native pawn]

Best hairstyle to go with goggles?

[primal sable]

Mohawk always

[brisk ferry]

what race

[chilly brook]

You don’t need to survive when the mob is dead to begin with 🤔

[native pawn]

human

[brisk ferry]

best hairstyle def reroll horde

[lusty grotto]

True Griff true

[native pawn]

im an alliance normie

[oblique garnet]

Do i order pizza or chinese🤔

[chilly brook]

Chinese

[lusty grotto]

Why not both

[brisk ferry]

yes

[chilly brook]

But I’m pizza’d out

Had pizza on Sunday with the buds while watching the R6 Invitational Finals

[native pawn]

so super saiyan hair or blood elf cosplay hair

[daring patrol]

it's all about biggest highmountain horns, cmode transmog, mage tower skin
horns on horns on horns

[native pawn]

Or bowlcut like the dude from no country for old men

[brisk ferry]

rofl these options all sound awful

[chilly brook]

Just go bald

4head

[native pawn]

bald is an option for sure

[chilly brook]

Real men are bald

Look at the Rock

[brisk ferry]

Real men are bald where it counts

[chilly brook]

I say that

[native pawn]

also best sword shield combo transmog wise to go with heroic trial of valor set???

[chilly brook]

But I have long hair lmao

[daring patrol]

heroic mythrax sword/ghuun shield

[chilly brook]

The best combo isn’t a sword and shield

It’s a flail and shield

[native pawn]

okay doesnt have to be a sword necessarily

[chilly brook]

👌🏻

[brisk ferry]

fish and shield

[lusty grotto]

Inc best transmog

[primal sable]

no bulwark

[native pawn]

Where do I get this legendary flail you speak of

[primal sable]

What are you doing with your lives

[brisk ferry]

RIP

mage tower

[wary gyro]

What flails are there the only one I know of is pally mage tower

[brisk ferry]

warr mage tower

[wary gyro]

Was that a flail

[chilly brook]

Greatest mog of all time xD

[brisk ferry]

yeha

to match your tusks

big yuck

[chilly brook]

But yes warrior was a flail

[astral crystal]

jesus christ

a panda

please no

[chilly brook]

It’s the panda version of russel crow from gladiator xD

[eager tartan]

So flufy

Such a disgrace

[brisk ferry]

I take it back, that other guy is allowed to play human. I actually totally forgot panda is a race

[astral crystal]

i just want the m bod shoulder and head so i can change my tmog already

[brisk ferry]

I want to use Taeschalach as my main hand for prot

[lusty grotto]

chef nimchip to the rescue

[primal sable]

Jesus no

[lusty grotto]

no means yes

[wary gyro]

I want taeschalach to ever drop for me

[lusty grotto]

and yes means bootyclaps

[chilly brook]

Don’t hate on pandas, best racial tbh

[austere oar]

slutmog :/

[brisk ferry]

I was p lucky with that stuff, first run I got mount from dogs and Taeschalach

[lusty grotto]

get that shit outta here sickness

[oblique garnet]

Griff get your god damn bondage dungeon panda out of here

[eager tartan]

Sluts, punks and pandas

[slow nimbus]

I'm a moosecow and I run moosecow heritage

[eager tartan]

How low this comunnity has fallen

[chilly brook]

I’m actually a blood elf now

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, chef nimchip is a hard working independent she-orc

[brisk ferry]

she dont need no man

[chilly brook]

Look something similar to this now

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah my eu druid is 120 i should gear it

[slow nimbus]

What shield is that @chilly brook ?

[primal sable]

No one using bulwark, are you even real warriors

[oblique garnet]

I now have all characters except hunter and paladin at 120 and at 400ilvl🤔

[sick sentinel]

Best traits for m+ ?

[eager tartan]

How can an elf calm himself a Warrior?

[brisk ferry]

@sick sentinel pins

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel 3xBoM 1 DC and 2 of any others

[chilly brook]

@slow nimbus I don’t remember the name but it’s from sunwell

[sick sentinel]

ty

[slow nimbus]

Got it thanks

[wary gyro]

God that shoulder clipping

[oblique garnet]

Isnt that shield from kara?

Not bulwark

[brisk ferry]

you can get a similar shield to that with PvP tokens too I believe

[chilly brook]

No

It’s from sunwell

[undone sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=34185/sword-breakers-bulwark

[lusty grotto]

no

[chilly brook]

Thyme got it

[primal sable]

Yea theres a recolour from pvpv vendors i think

[lusty grotto]

oh shit i thought you were talkiing about the bulwark of azzinoth high res version

[undone sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=35094/brutal-gladiators-shield-wall

recolor

[restive pivot]

would you guys pick Azerite Veins over Overwhelming power at all?=

[brisk ferry]

oh shit recolor is purple

[oblique garnet]

No

[brisk ferry]

nope

[oblique garnet]

Azerite veins is unreliable piece of shit

But good when it procs

[lusty grotto]

its good if you want to be defensive, OP is obviously better offensively

[eager tartan]

Worst crime from Blizz is made our Mount purple

[lusty grotto]

just change specs when you mount 😃

[chilly brook]

Purple is a great color

[lusty grotto]

xD

[chilly brook]

Wdym

Purple is the superior color to every other color

[brisk ferry]

I actually never got the warrior mount lol

[lusty grotto]

should be super easy to get

except for the stupid invasion quest

[slow nimbus]

Any good weapon and shield mog suggestions to go with moosecow heritage set?

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[lost ether]

I may wanna reroll from dh to warri some peeps always tell me warris are so squishy but I was extremly fine on my 390 warri in a 14 a week ago is it true warris are weak no right?

[lusty grotto]

LOL?

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[brisk ferry]

wait what

[chilly brook]

Hahhahahhahahhahahaha

Hahahhahhaahhahaha

[prisma night]

wut

[lusty grotto]

VDH vs warriors and warriors are the squishy one?

[chilly brook]

Warrior squishy

From a DH

[slow nimbus]

DH calling another tank squishy what?

[brisk ferry]

he must mean from havoc to warrior

[chilly brook]

Bbavahahhahahahbabshehhahah

[lusty grotto]

jesus haha

[lost ether]

Yeah what I thought too

[slow nimbus]

I'm confused

[lusty grotto]

that was great

that's like quote of the day stuff

[oblique garnet]

Arms on defensive stance is tankier than vdh

[astral crystal]

☣ chat

[lost ether]

Na the peeps say squishy to second squishiest

[oblique garnet]

No

[brisk ferry]

the peeps are wrong

[oblique garnet]

Its literally the tankiest

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[prisma night]

who are these peeps

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet also generates more snap aggro

[brisk ferry]

where does this stuff come from

go look at the fucking leadboard lol

[astral crystal]

his LFR friends i guess Kappa

[wary gyro]

Warrior is one of the best tanks right now

[lusty grotto]

these people are dead wrong @lost ether

[oblique garnet]

Warrior is the best m+ tank rn

[slow nimbus]

Vengeance isn't a tank. Not in it's current state. It's a... Uhhh... World quest elite solo thingie. And when havoc gets geared enough they do that better too

[prisma night]

no need to make fun of him, just his peeps

[chilly brook]

Warrior has been one of the best tanks

8.1 just made people not stupid

[lusty grotto]

hey hey... vengeance is okay in raids

[wary gyro]

Probably the same people who thought warrior was garbage last patch

[lucid bough]

was garbage to play

[brisk ferry]

yeah it's definitely the same people that thought 8.1 gave prot warrior huge buffs

[lusty grotto]

you mean reddit?

[brisk ferry]

[lusty grotto]

😉

[chilly brook]

You mean 98.5% of the WoW community

[lusty grotto]

also reddit

[lucid bough]

and was garbage to play

[brisk ferry]

probalby reddit

[lusty grotto]

i think it was reddit

[oblique garnet]

The amount of people who still want bdk for their keys is insane

[chilly brook]

I didn’t find it garbage to play

[astral crystal]

prot was definitely the most fun spec in 8.0

[brisk ferry]

reddit blocked at work so I must take your word for it

[slow nimbus]

TBH this week I can understand
Grip is nuts this week

[lusty grotto]

i smashed shit pre 8.1 with these fine folks

[chilly brook]

I think we lost more from 8.0-8.1 in terms of meaningful gameplay than we gained

[lucid bough]

this discord was ciclejerking around the "warrior takes too much skill to play"

[undone sun]

fun is subjective
good by default doesn't mean much
and it' definitely wasn't fun in 8.0

[astral crystal]

that's not true griff

[oblique garnet]

Paladin is better than dk this week id say

[lucid bough]

and the spec was low average

we got big buffs

[lusty grotto]

guaranteed replies

[lucid bough]

not only qol

[oblique garnet]

especially since dks cant cheese necrotic anymore

[chilly brook]

We don’t have infinite extension from DC

[wary gyro]

Necrotic is rough for dk now

[brisk ferry]

can confirm necrotic fucking sucks on bdk

[chilly brook]

That’s objectively false

[astral crystal]

prot was definitely higher skill ceiling than other tanks, but not awful to play

[chilly brook]

We barely got any buffs

[astral crystal]

the two dont correlate

[lucid bough]

ahaha

[oblique garnet]

We got a massive buff tho

[undone sun]

well

[oblique garnet]

Being able to block ranged attacks

[lucid bough]

saying "objectively false" doenst make your opinion true mate

[lusty grotto]

lets count the buffs: BoM, projectiles being blocked, ip off gcd again

[lucid bough]

doenst work like this

[wary gyro]

Ignore pain off the gcd isn't a big buff and that's the biggest thing that happened

[undone sun]

i wouldn't say massive either, it was noticable

[chilly brook]

It was nice

[brisk ferry]

I would actually love to see VDH and Guardian buffed

[chilly brook]

But it wasn’t “big buffs”

[prisma night]

^

[lucid bough]

Well armor buff, block buff, ranged block buff, IP out gcd

[chilly brook]

Blockable projectiles was the largest of our buffs

The armor buff wasn’t “big”

[lucid bough]

lol

[lusty grotto]

it wasn't

[lucid bough]

was bigger than dk armor nerf

[brisk ferry]

wow wow wow

[lucid bough]

and they are always blaming that

[undone sun]

not saying much

[brisk ferry]

• • ???

[lost ether]

Its For the last 2 myth bosses I just dont really want to play dh cause squishy😂

[chilly brook]

IP off GCD does nothing survivability wise for the most part

[lusty grotto]

guaranteed replies

hold up

[lucid bough]

im saying the absolute amount

[chilly brook]

It’s mainly a QOL change

[lucid bough]

"thinking"

[wary gyro]

I honestly didn't even realise we got an armor buff

[narrow abyss]

Like twice

Haha

[astral crystal]

let's not exaggerate pls

[prisma night]

having more armor after we already had a ton does not a lot of dmg reduction

[brisk ferry]

should trademark that

[lusty grotto]

its a whatsapp sticker 😃

[chilly brook]

We literally got 2 seconds off SB, IP off gcd, projectile block (which should’ve been in anyways) and a small vanguard buff

[lusty grotto]

don't forget BoM

[chilly brook]

BoM I’m not counting because everyone got a new trait

[lucid bough]

lol

LOL

[lusty grotto]

well i guess that's true

[lucid bough]

ofc your are not counting

[brisk ferry]

BDK got new trait?

[undone sun]

bdk doesn't even have traits

[brisk ferry]

dammit

[chilly brook]

And in the grand scheme of things it’s pretty inconsequential as a tank

It’s literally just free damage

[brisk ferry]

I need to be ble to use monk emojis everywhere

[oblique garnet]

BoM?

[lucid bough]

LOL

[chilly brook]

Yes

[lucid bough]

LOL

[oblique garnet]

Issa big dr

[narrow abyss]

Are you looking at this from a raid perspective?

[oblique garnet]

Aswell

[lucid bough]

yap

[narrow abyss]

Because it’s huge for m+....

[lusty grotto]

why are we spamming LoL

[chilly brook]

I mainly raid

[lucid bough]

and not only for damage

now Ik what im dealing here

[oblique garnet]

I use it in raids aswell

[chilly brook]

He’s spamming lol because he thinks he’s making me look stupid

[oblique garnet]

Never felt the need for additional survivability

[lusty grotto]

we're not talking about damage

[wary gyro]

You can do just fine if you dont have bom though

[lucid bough]

"objectively false"

[lusty grotto]

we're talking about defensiveness

[naive panther]

Didn’t think necro was that bad on my bdk. Has a nice slow. Has a parry ability. Yeah we can’t do quite what we did before sadly but it’s not bad.

[lusty grotto]

let me remind you guys

that we started this discussion

because someone said

warriors were squishy

so this is not about damage at all

[chilly brook]

The survivability you gain from BoM isn’t going to do much for you if you were playing correctly anyways

[wary gyro]

Saying bom made us good is wrong because you can do just fine without it

[lucid bough]

alright

[chilly brook]

It’s really a huge damage buff

[lusty grotto]

reaping is also a huge damage buff 🤷

[chilly brook]

Exactly @wary gyro

[oblique garnet]

Bit of an offtopic question is anyone elses netflix completely desynced all the time

[lusty grotto]

if reaping was in s1...

[brisk ferry]

I have CAnadian Netflix, so yes

its all hot garbage hallmark movies

[lusty grotto]

we would have destroyed keys in s1

[chilly brook]

Look if you enjoy prot more after the 8.1 changes then by all means good on you

[undone sun]

anything is an improvement from 8.0

[chilly brook]

But don’t delude yourself acting like prot got WoD to legion survival hunter levels of changes

[oblique garnet]

Thyme come back

Re sub

Just do it

[undone sun]

game still trash

[chilly brook]

It was literally small tweaks and a new trait

[undone sun]

no

[warm plinth]

"Bit of an offtopic question" "Netflix" #protection 🤔 lol

[lusty grotto]

thyme and levko sitting in a tree

[astral crystal]

8.2 will save WoW dont worry haHAA

[brisk ferry]

I switched to warrior because I miss doing Legion levels of dps

[undone sun]

yikes

no

[lusty grotto]

lol

[daring patrol]

@chilly brook but reddit and sco said warrior was bad cause reasons!

[chilly brook]

@undone sun u right tho game is trash rn

@daring patrol you right lol

[lusty grotto]

nah im having no issues with netflix @oblique garnet

[lucid bough]

warrior got big buffs and not only defensive ones. Its probably the best tank in m+, while being probably the 2nd best tank in raids

[wary gyro]

Didn't method run warrior tanks for mythic prog

[brisk ferry]

for some fights yeah

[lucid bough]

they did on jaina

[oblique garnet]

7/9 fights

They did

[brisk ferry]

I never caught the reasoning for the other 2

[undone sun]

a lot of people did

no reason not to

[chilly brook]

It literally got small tweaks with one trait added.....

[undone sun]

lots of blockable damage

[astral crystal]

they had one in for stormwall for al ong while until justwait decided it was easier to solo soak on bdk

[lucid bough]

sure

[chilly brook]

That’s not big buffs....

[undone sun]

limit almost did, but max said he didn't want to set up his ui again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique garnet]

And bdk on mekka

[lusty grotto]

most people here did mythic uldir just fine

[astral crystal]

man something about max irritates me

[brisk ferry]

was Sco on BrM for all fights?

[undone sun]

likely

[wary gyro]

There were a good number of high ranked warriors last season in m+ too

[astral crystal]

yes

[brisk ferry]

like he was 9/9

[astral crystal]

he can't play any other tank this expac for some reason

[undone sun]

or past 2 expacs

[brisk ferry]

that was meant as a questions/

[chilly brook]

Because they’re not brain dead xD

[lucid bough]

safest tank for progress

[astral crystal]

oh right, it's because of the neck

he doesn't level neck

[brisk ferry]

ah man dont get me started on neck

[wary gyro]

This season reaping is just a much better afix for us while infested favored bdk

[chilly brook]

Who does lol

[lucid bough]

and tthe neck too, his warrior had low neck

[astral crystal]

all his other tanks have low neck

[lusty grotto]

that's correct @wary gyro

[astral crystal]

he only grinds monk

[undone sun]

sco was monk for 8/9 bosses

guess the last one

[chilly brook]

DK

[lusty grotto]

BEAR

[astral crystal]

he was benched

for a dk

on mekka

iirc

[chilly brook]

^

[brisk ferry]

think China first had a bear right? lol

[lusty grotto]

oh i lost 😦

[undone sun]

👏 B 👏 E 👏 N 👏 C 👏 H 👏 E 👏 D

[mental scarab]

Lul

[wary gyro]

Wasnt he not on mekka because he wouldn't switch

[lusty grotto]

just clap those letters

[narrow abyss]

He didn’t have a BDK prepped or something I thought

[oblique garnet]

Ye wasnt on mekka because he didnt have bdk

[narrow abyss]

And benched himself when limit got bloackades

[chilly brook]

Benched is benched

[brisk ferry]

bummer I gues

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[brisk ferry]

it does suck to play all the tanks though

all my necks are 38 or less

[lusty grotto]

don't feel the bummers for Lord Sco, lord of Indom

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t suck

What sucks is neck leveling

[brisk ferry]

well that's what I meant

[chilly brook]

Let’s blame the actual problem

[native pawn]

Anyone know drop rate for darkshore rare mounts?

[lusty grotto]

well lets be honest, at least its not as bad as leveling weapons

[chilly brook]

I mean....

Leveling weapons in Antorus was great

[oblique garnet]

@brisk ferry i have almost all characters at max lvl and most of them have 37 neck and warr at 41 and im playing casually LUL

[lusty grotto]

at the end of the xpansion sure

[sick sentinel]

@native pawn 1/20

[daring patrol]

id take endless maws over islands any day tbh

[brisk ferry]

@oblique garnet dang nice, I havnt touched many of my other tanks since S2 because warrior is fun. #DadLife

[native pawn]

Dope thanks Kaege I just got 2 in like 5 mins lol

[wary gyro]

I'm only at 39 on my neck I barely have time to play outside of raids and m+

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah i dont play the others as tanks

[chilly brook]

I think my neck is still like 24

[undone sun]

21

[chilly brook]

But I also haven’t been playing for like 3 months

[lusty grotto]

my neck is 37

[brisk ferry]

my twins turn 1 on Sunday and they still wake up in the night, I just sleep whenever I can now. No wow life

[lusty grotto]

😉

fuck grinding

[undone sun]

bis

[astral crystal]

im 41 just casually playing, dont really bother going out of my way for it

[sick sentinel]

I have given up on all my characters because prot is so fun and fury is so fun

[brisk ferry]

is Fury fun? my greoups BDK wont switch so they want me to dps

[lusty grotto]

fucking furries

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what's a dps

[brisk ferry]

Avatar

[oblique garnet]

Get a new group

[brisk ferry]

my group is 3 people lol

a lot of my friends list quit

[chilly brook]

I’m too busy clapping kids in r6

[sick sentinel]

If I go to play any other dps spec I am thinking "why am I not playing my warrior right now?"

[chilly brook]

If I play another DPS spec other than prot I think “why did they get rid of glad stance”

[brisk ferry]

I have 400 Geti and Shark Splitter, I might try it

[daring patrol]

RIP glad stance

[wary gyro]

I cant wait for 8.2 when neck levels are actually going to give something meaningful

[chilly brook]

I just want a simple gearing system back

Imo this whole tf/wf thing is just bad

It was nice having a gear path

And goals

[lusty grotto]

i don't mind TF/WF

[lucid bough]

same

[chilly brook]

And a lot of other things

[lusty grotto]

i don't stress over it either

[wary gyro]

I hate TF/WF

[brisk ferry]

I miss Valor points

[lusty grotto]

as in farm shit hoping for TF/wf

[sick sentinel]

As fury

[lusty grotto]

it happens, its fine

[lucid bough]

If you get a TF gear doenst diminish my acomplishement

[sick sentinel]

I farm the shit

[chilly brook]

But then again a lot of the game systems in general is completely different now

[sick sentinel]

To have the shit

[chilly brook]

I mean

[brisk ferry]

I will try Fury tonight, see how that is

[sick sentinel]

And I care about what gloves drop from what dungeon

[chilly brook]

Whether or not you get a tf is literally just down to luck

[sick sentinel]

As prot

[chilly brook]

There’s not much satisfaction to it

[lusty grotto]

obviously

[sick sentinel]

I give no shits

[daring patrol]

it just feels bad to get mythic raid loot and go "oh, didn't titanforge" instead of "yeah! mythic raid loot!"

[lucid bough]

it doenst feel bad to me

[sick sentinel]

I just run shit and if I happen to get an upgrade, I got an upgrade

[chilly brook]

It also feels bad to see some dope in heroic with a TF that’s higher than your Mythic item

Just cuz

[lucid bough]

So what

[lusty grotto]

i just feel people exagerate WF/TF, who cares

[narrow abyss]

The less I stressed about TF and drops and just wait to be pleasantly surprised the more I enjoyed the game

[warm plinth]

^

[lucid bough]

Again, it doenst reduce your sense of achievment

or shouldnt

[brisk ferry]

fuck I forgot about azerite reforging to try out Fury, god dammit

[chilly brook]

I mean can you name one piece of gear your character is wearing other than your trinkets and the necklace off the top of your head?

[lucid bough]

ya

[chilly brook]

It’s just a number to you now

[oblique garnet]

Titanforging makes mythic raiding pointless

[daring patrol]

just get 3x reckless flurry and fuhgettaboutit @brisk ferry

[lucid bough]

vial of animated blood

[oblique garnet]

In terms of gear

[wary gyro]

I mean it was always just a number

[lucid bough]

love that trinket

[chilly brook]

Vial is a trinket...

[brisk ferry]

@daring patrol I'm not super familiar with anything Fury related, but I'll try lol

[lucid bough]

oh

[oblique garnet]

You can be 420 without even clearing mythic more than first boss

[chilly brook]

I literally said other than your trinkets or your neck

[lucid bough]

coinage stompers

they drop gold when you jump

LOL

so

[brisk ferry]

sick

[lucid bough]

ya i can remember

[native pawn]

Anyone know how to turn off announcing interrupts in party chat.? I think it's an elvui feature

[warm plinth]

I haven't been able to name something besides a trinket or weapon since like Burning Crusade

[native pawn]

Bugs the hell out of me

[lucid bough]

nothing more really

[oblique garnet]

Isnt it details filter

[lusty grotto]

yes its an elvui feature, and it's useful as fuck for interrupt rotations

[wary gyro]

I've looked at my gear mainly as numbers since vanilla

[warm plinth]

@native pawn /elvui, main screen, right side "Announce Interrupts" drop down menu

[native pawn]

tyvm

[chilly brook]

I think preach summed up the gear problems pretty well

[sick sentinel]

You can get 415 ilvl semi reliably with mythic raids

[chilly brook]

But it comes down to opinions really

Some people like it some don’t

[sick sentinel]

And it's easier to get a +5 forge than a +20 forge

[chilly brook]

I just happen to fall into the not liking the effect TF/WF have had on the game

[lusty grotto]

i dont thnk it has any effect at all

in legion yes

in bfa no

[chilly brook]

You can’t say it doesn’t have an effect it absolutely does

[lusty grotto]

what it boils down to, is people angry that THEY didn't get the TF

[narrow abyss]

^

[lusty grotto]

or at least the majority of people complaining about it

[narrow abyss]

I means that’s prettt much it

In my experience

[lusty grotto]

so it's like eh

[narrow abyss]

They’re tilted the seemingly least deserving in the raid hits the 425 with socket

[brisk ferry]

think it's mostly Fury in M+ right?

[chilly brook]

That’s a huge oversimplification

There’s a reason systems like Raider.io are still being used

[inland mesa]

it's sad when something finally TF though and has a socket, and it's a dps downgrade for a class and they can't trade it because it's their new highest piece even though they won't use it

[lusty grotto]

i mean i rather it be raider.io than fucking gearscore or ilvl

[chilly brook]

If you actually had to do content to get ilvl it would actually be a halfway decent metric

[inland mesa]

I think a dps got coinage stompers at 425 with socket, I'd use the fuck out of it and they're like meh a .5% upgrade D:

[chilly brook]

Not as good as io....

But you start to see the point

[lusty grotto]

even in a static ilvl system like up until cata

id rather use something like R.io

than GS

because anyone can get carried to gear

and people gearing up have 0 chance

[chilly brook]

Anyone can get carried to a half decent io score

[lusty grotto]

you can see their runs though

you instantly know if someone was carried or not

[chilly brook]

Not their specific performance

Just the group performance

[warm plinth]

I have to agree with Griff there. At this point in the game, having static ilevel tiers actually would create a pretty reasonable metric, if (and only if) all alternative methods of getting that same level of gear were removed. The only problem is that then the guy who doesn't have time to get mythic raid gear, but is actually skilled, is ignored.

[lusty grotto]

sorry i just don't agree

if you wanna level up an alt

for example

[warm plinth]

It's still an exclusionary metric.

[lusty grotto]

you can link it to your main

[sick sentinel]

I was 404 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

you can't do that with ilvl or GS

[chilly brook]

There’s almost zero incentive to do Mythic raiding at this point unless you just want bragging rights

[lusty grotto]

you're basically fucked

[sick sentinel]

Cleared 5/9 m with 4 bonus rolls

No gear trading

Now 409

Did an mplus or 20

[oblique garnet]

Im 2/9 im 411

[sick sentinel]

410

[sand egret]

🤔

[warm plinth]

No, but it's pretty safe to assume that if ilevel were the primary metric, addons would be created to link characters. On the other hand, I come back to the point where you're still excluding the person who doesn't have time to do harder content, which means they're stuck with shittier gear even on their main.

[narrow abyss]

Even if it was static you wouldn’t use Ilvl as a metric in current wow. People would still look at Rio or ask to link chieves

[sand egret]

ilvl is a terrible metric, as it's not reliable across all specs

[narrow abyss]

Idk why it matters to make a teritiary surrogate marker for skill less shitty

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and that's because things like raider.io provide a good way to gauge skill, which ilevel will never really do.

[wary gyro]

People always asked for chieves since they were added anyway

[narrow abyss]

I mean other arguments for getting rid of TF make more sense

[sand egret]

what if you're a class dropping +15 ilvls due to secondaries?

[warm plinth]

It's not perfect, but it's better than most.

[ember arrow]

This channel never changed

👌

[lusty grotto]

its not better than r.io, im sorry

we'll have to agree to disagree

[chilly brook]

Anyways all I’m saying is boiling people’s problems with TFing down to “being salty that someone else got the TF” is being intentionally unfair to the people who have problems with it

[dense flame]

Mythic is still very relevant I feel for hearing

[warm plinth]

No, I said raider.io is better, not ilevel

[dense flame]

Gearinf*

[lusty grotto]

oh

[chilly brook]

The argument was never that ilvl would be a better system

[lusty grotto]

maybe not your argument griff

[chilly brook]

Rather that io still exists because ilvl is still meaningless

[lusty grotto]

but the loud majority always goes back to that point

shit i saw some topic in reddit

[sand egret]

they guage two different things tho

[lusty grotto]

yesterday

[sand egret]

this is confusing

[lusty grotto]

that were complaining about the very same thing

[dense flame]

IO has its issues with late starts

[chilly brook]

@sand egret yes because you don’t have to be a good player to have a high ilvl

[dense flame]

But then again so does raiding

So ilvl as a metric would also

[sand egret]

thus ilvl is a terrible system to judge on

[dense flame]

Cause issues.

[chilly brook]

Yes

You’re starting to see my point.

[sand egret]

not starting, i just got here

ilvl is a shitty system because it provides no context

r.io provides aggregated context to a person

is it perfect? no

[dense flame]

Simply put, any of these systems can be gamed. All of them penalize players with late starts (regardless of skill level)

[strong hill]

@native pawn from my experience with the mounts I’m gonna 20% chance to get a mount.

[lusty grotto]

yes i agree with that

[chilly brook]

It provides no context because you’re flooded with gear and TF means some dummy can get better than Mythic gear in normal

[dense flame]

An 1800-1900 player still can be shit

[sick sentinel]

The problems started in ToC

[lusty grotto]

late starts always penalize people on progression-based system

[sand egret]

but it's waaaay better trying to make a call on a player via ilvl

[sick sentinel]

Gearscore became a thing

[warm plinth]

Raider.io doesn't score players based on gear, so idk how that makes sense.

[oblique garnet]

1800-1900 player this season is most likely not shit

[chilly brook]

Only because the system to get the gear is hugely flawed now

[sand egret]

yeah griff that makes no sense

[warm plinth]

Just because you got lucky with TF and got mythic level gear doesn't mean you're going to have a high raider.io score.

[wary gyro]

I have some issues with the way it calculates score but overall it's the best metric available

[dense flame]

Right, the point I’m making is that griffs argument isn’t entirely wrong. He has a point

[chilly brook]

I didn’t say you’d have a high up score

Like Wut

[vestal moat]

Also, a player can be great in raiding but terrible in m+. A high io doesnt translate to great player in all circumstances.

[sick sentinel]

Ayy I just got 1.8k

[sand egret]

uhh

[lusty grotto]

trust me, i dont invite ilvl 415 nerds that have 200 io

uhhhh

[warm plinth]

Then I'm not sure what you mean by "it provides no context because you're flooded with gear and TF means some dummy can get better than Mythic gear in normal"

[dense flame]

Hahahahaha

[sand egret]

imho if you can't do M+, i'd argue about your raiding skills

[oblique garnet]

Oh no even kage is higher than me?

[sand egret]

imho

[wary gyro]

I dont use io score for raids

[lusty grotto]

great in raiding and terrible in M+ screams trash

[stark sage]

i've seen the opposite

[dense flame]

M+ can be more dynamic imo

[stark sage]

also still trash

[lusty grotto]

this is not pve vs pvp

[inland mesa]

I dunno, some of M+ is just finding a consistent group to run dungeons though. Which unfortunately, I haven't been able to consistently 😦

[sand egret]

both require PvE skills, one just has more focus on the individual

[oblique garnet]

Nim theres alot of players in method who are not that high io

[sand egret]

if somoene was like "im a good raider" but can't finish 10s....

[lusty grotto]

i didn't say io

[oblique garnet]

They dont do alot of m+

[lusty grotto]

i said

in ability

[sand egret]

^

[narrow abyss]

But they just don’t do it

[dense flame]

With a consistent team sure. Raiding is like a dance

[wary gyro]

Some people also just dont push for high keys even as good raiders

[vestal moat]

Some people just dont enjoy m+ or cant find a consistent group or just enjoy raiding more. I'm a prime example.

[oblique garnet]

Have you seen joshpriest do m+?

[lusty grotto]

oh you mean the invite comment

[oblique garnet]

Hes not good in m+

[dense flame]

M+ can be like a dance

[oblique garnet]

But good in raids

[vestal moat]

exactly

[lusty grotto]

that makes no sense to me

[sand egret]

"not good" for him (yes ive seen him)

is WAY better

than what we're talkin abut

[dense flame]

Hahaha

True

That guy actually is insane priest

[sand egret]

there's a difference between "i don't do M+ because I don't like it" and "i literally can't handle what this M+ throws at me"

[wary gyro]

I have a pretty bad io score because I only run certain dungeons typically looking for certain pieces and dont care about my overall score that much

But I run with guildies so it doesnt matter

[lusty grotto]

it makes 0 sense to be good in one pve aspect and bad in another pve aspect, when mechanics are similar, except scaled differently - even if the timer is considered, there's enrage timers in raids so that shouldn't be an issue

[dense flame]

In which you have to take lead on forming grps or have buddies

[chilly brook]

I’d qualify myself as a decent player I don’t do that much m+ though because I don’t care to push my rating and I have a low score because of it. Does it give an accurate picture? No

[sand egret]

but as a person building a group

its enough of a picture

for me to pick the guy who does more M+

that's my stance on r.io

[dense flame]

Which isn’t wrong

It’s like a resume

[vestal moat]

I'm 7/9M right now. I think my io this season is like 800. I can usually clear 10s but not always with a pug. The highest I've ever done is a 15 with guildies. Frequently this is my own fault particularly on weeks where tank paths are very important like bolstering. I dont have the experience or time to learn the paths. I don't know if i'm good or bad but for raiding i objectively am probably in the top 5%, for m+ like, bottom 50% easily even though I am the exact same player.

[sand egret]

it's not hard to boost it because you want to commit, it just seems silly when people complain that they don't get picked due to an r.io they don't want to invest in

[lusty grotto]

800 is not a bad io

[oblique garnet]

It is

[dense flame]

M+ boosting same shit as raiding boost

[lusty grotto]

for you late

[dense flame]

You gotta start somewhere

[lusty grotto]

for the wow general populace

its absolutely not

[oblique garnet]

Timing all 10s gives you 1.1k ish?

[narrow abyss]

Engagement with m+ is also a metric you judge though. Even if you’re lights out tank I wouldn’t want to run with someone who doesn’t know the routes.

[sand egret]

^

[wary gyro]

I'm only like 700 because I only bother running like 3 dungeons

[chilly brook]

Anyways let me try and boil my point down to the simplest I can make it. Ilvl is a bad system because the systems to get gear that are in place now have no bearing on skill or achievement. Which means you have to turn to other metrics to tell you everything about said player. Granted neither system is perfect. But it’s essentially cheapened any impact gear might have had on showing you someone’s skill level from a glance in game to meaning absolutely nothing.

[sand egret]

i care less about actual score and more about scores on dungeons

that's true, if you're mistakenly trying to attribute ilvl = skill

[dense flame]

See if they completed the dungeon with current affixes too

[sand egret]

which it never was a metric of

[wary gyro]

I also dont pug m+ if I did it wouldn't be hard to grind my score up a bit

[chilly brook]

It most definitely was at some point in the game

[sand egret]

they were more related, sure

[dense flame]

One thing I haven’t seen as active are mythic plus teams recruiting

[sand egret]

but it was not a direct correlation, no

[chilly brook]

It’s never been a direct correlation

[wary gyro]

In wrath/cata people treated it like it was

[warm plinth]

I'd argue it was just as shitty of a metric back then as it is now. You had 40 people in a raid back in the day.

[chilly brook]

Never said it was

[dense flame]

Which in turn I feel makes M+ score grinding harder than raid progress pushing

[sand egret]

uh

[chilly brook]

It was an indication of what kind of content people are capable of

[lusty grotto]

it probably is bloodguilt