protection

[ember arrow]

Wf discord +skyhold. Dreams do come true

[wraith obsidian]

Mmm, tanked grong mythic yesterday and killed it, but i'm unsure on how to interpret the damage taken logs..

Anyone can enlighten me?

With mitigated %, dtps etc

[sick sentinel]

👏 #449510248579858432 👏

[quartz pond]

👋

[wraith obsidian]

I dont ask for a review

I ask on how to interpret these statistics

[ember arrow]

Thats asking for a review

[wraith obsidian]

What are the optimal %

Optimal dtps

Etc

[ember arrow]

Is "it depends" still a good answer?

[wraith obsidian]

If u can explain on what it depends

[ember arrow]

Need to see logs

Idk what a grong is

Thats my knowledge

But to interpret logs we must see em

[wraith obsidian]

I can see my logs but need comparison

I'll just compare on warcraftlogs

No help here available apparantly

[ember arrow]

We directed you to #449510248579858432

[undone sun]

then asked for post logs for further help

but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eager tartan]

Warriors help not, warriors smash

[wraith obsidian]

I dont need help to analyse my logs. I needed standards to compare with. Which were lacking and couldnt be provided by the current posters

So redirecting to log review was pointless

Compared to nr1 eu english who had 33dtps and 62%mitigation

Saw i had to use spellreflect more on the nature casts to get better results.

Ty for the help pro's from skyhold

[sick sentinel]

They use spell reflect

Before the grab

Because the grab is reflectable

[ember arrow]

"Grab is reflectable" i see SR makes as much sense as it used to

[eager tartan]

You don't reflect the grab in reality

You reflect a dot

[upper spoke]

when i type /mdt, some reason mdt doesnt load

[ember arrow]

Ohh

[upper spoke]

i cant find a method dungeon tools discord, and this channel always is helpful

any ideas?

[sick sentinel]

He still grabs you, but instead of taking damage, you just hang out and cuddle for 5 sec

[upper spoke]

i updated

it

[sick sentinel]

Restart pc?

[upper spoke]

did

[eager tartan]

Routes are for sissies, just feel the route bro

Jk truth be told I've no idea

[upper spoke]

yeh

[sick sentinel]

"Fuck it lets wing it"

[upper spoke]

that worked before reaping

[old zephyr]

Wing it ?

[upper spoke]

eh its still fien i guess, but i want to know what im looking at

so no /mdt advice

[eager tartan]

Just pull I kill famous last dh words

As a fix you can use the routes posted in raider io

If you have a second screen works like a champ

As a side note SP is great this raid, hope they don't nerf it now the race is over

Never forget sp on Mythrax

[limpid wadi]

Routes in raider io?

[ionic fern]

https://raider.io/news/26-the-weekly-route-fortified-sanguine-necrotic-and-reaping

[limpid wadi]

Holy moly

Never knew this is a thing

That's like heaven

[quartz pond]

its not the BEST routes ever but its very usabl

[limpid wadi]

For someone who always did them by itself
It's really helpful to see that I didn't fucked up everything

[primal sable]

Needs rogues tho

And i dont like rogues

Sneaky bastards

[sick sentinel]

I have a rogue that I run with every day

Very good

[quiet crane]

Wish rogues still had combat

Hate this outlaw shit they cake up with

Came

[primal sable]

Whats the popular m+ spec for rogues nowadays

[quiet crane]

“Roll for a chance for dps”

[primal sable]

Pirate spec?

[quiet crane]

Sin and outlaw depending on your Como

Comp

But generally outlaw so yeah yarrghhhh me hearties

[sick sentinel]

You can burst 300k in reaping

[primal sable]

Bonus RP value

[sick sentinel]

With just crit buff

[quiet crane]

Yeah they’re frigging crazy in that respect

[sick sentinel]

Don't even need full buffs

[quiet crane]

Just hate the dice system

Wouldn’t mind it if they just changed that one thing

[sick sentinel]

You can play slice and dice kappa

[quiet crane]

But it’s purely personal of course

Yeah but isn’t it a substantial loss

[sick sentinel]

Idk

It's more consistent at least

[quiet crane]

I’m pretty sure last I read you trade off a good chunk for consistency

Which the sound of losing dps just sounds shit and feels it sometimes

Honestly I love sub it’s just shit compared to the other two spectre atm

[primal sable]

Welp thats karma for being the only spec in legion

Viable i mean

[rapid tide]

Wait. Sub being the only viable spec in Legion?

🤔

Antorus: Assa
Tomb: Sub
Nighthold: All rather equal
Trial: Sub slightly ahead but all really up there
Emerald Nightmare: Sub + Assa

Sub pulled ahead in quite some tiers but they were FAR from the only viable spec 😄

[primal sable]

I dont think anyone played anything other than sub in m+

Maybe assass in upper kara

[tidal scarab]

Barely remember any rogues in Legion. Nothing was better than boomie/lock/ww

• you didn't need shroud nearly as much as you do in Bfa

[lucid bough]

not even a comparison

you could shroud in the argus dungeon i guess

and on the big add in upper

[tidal scarab]

Cathedral first trash shroud is the only thing that I can recall

[lucid bough]

while I'm doing a bunch of m+ rn, I miss some legion dungeons

soo good

[tidal scarab]

Yup, Legion actually had really good dungeons

On most affixes

[rich beacon]

And then there was seat

[tidal scarab]

Seat was on the meme side

[undone sun]

yeah

[tidal scarab]

At least seat was either you do the first pull or you deplete

So fast key

[lucid bough]

its like temple rn lol

[tidal scarab]

I played with a prot paladin all Legion so that first seat pull was always fun without a mass grip :p

[primal sable]

I wish they made dungeons like cathedral

Poggers instance

[stark ruin]

Question: given equal ilvl, should I go with 1250 haste and 480 mastery or 1170 haste and 600 mastery?

My mastery is lower than I would like, but that's what I have

[narrow abyss]

Always haste

Same ilvl

[stark ruin]

That means that I should keep the quick navigation too

[junior igloo]

You should go with the one with socket

[stark ruin]

No sockets

[strong hill]

Just started mythic monkey last night. We got him to 30 percent . Any tips or tricks you guys can share?

[stark ruin]

Thanks guys

[junior igloo]

1250 + 480 = 1730
1170 + 600 = 1770
Why does the second option have 40 more stats? You should use that

[narrow abyss]

Bestial throw dot is spell reflectable

[stark ruin]

It's balanced on the other two

One is haste versa, the other one is crit mastery

[narrow abyss]

It shaves off like 130k damage. 5x22k ticks or whatever

[junior igloo]

So the first one has more versa/crit?

[stark ruin]

Yup

I have 19% crit and 10% versa

[junior igloo]

I'd go with the first one, but the difference is extremely small

[stark ruin]

Yes it is, I was just wondering if there was any point when we shouldn't go for haste anymore

[narrow abyss]

Demo shout just before or during combo. And pretty sure bestial smash is blockable so try and block first one. Consider walling if you’re being thrown with one bite. Definitely wall and/or external for two + throw

I wasn’t MTing boss so I tended to be throw bitch

[strong hill]

@narrow abyss I got tossed last night , crushed the person I was thrown at and was given a victory rush proc. I had a couple random victory procs after being tossed

[stark ruin]

Thanks again

[narrow abyss]

Weird

[shell pulsar]

I also procced victory rush by killing a player in my raid with the throw :D

[junior igloo]

I like our way of doing the combo because of its consistency:
0. I am tanking the boss, ask for Ironbark right before combo

1. I take the first hit
2. Co-tank taunts and takes 2nd hit
3. I taunt and take 3rd hit
4. I get thrown
   We do this regardless of what abilities are cast during the combo. If I get 2x bleed, I ask for BoP.

Co-tank tanks until the next combo which we interrupt with the orb, then I tank again until the next one.

[strong hill]

@shell pulsar did you kill someone you don’t like too??

[shell pulsar]

Can't really recall that but I got amused either way :D

[unborn island]

Know i'm a bit behind, but I loved that first pull in seat with the leggo legs - Would have been much easier with a grip though!

[tropic star]

i am dark iron so i have ended up taking the majority of the throws

if its trip smash then other tank gets thrown but then he taunts before the next one.

as warrior i can reflect the grip-dot which saves a lot of dmg and then if i do get double rend i can racial it off

get it again and i wall it

cotank is paladin so he bops himself during the grip if he gets double rend

[lusty grotto]

why is nobody saying spell reflect

oh puzzlebox did

impact doesn't get reduced by demo though

[ionic fern]

"cotank is paladin so he bops himself during the grip if he gets double rend"
PRetty sure that doesn't work anymore - you can't cast anything during grip.

[lusty grotto]

i really don't like double rend, its easy enough to alternate taunts if you get the same abilities back to back

(or double smash for that matter)

rend -> rend? then taunt.

smash -> smash? then taunt

yea grips are less controlled but, each tank can manage them easily

triple rend and triple smashes do happen, but they are rare enough

[narrow abyss]

Ya

[astral crystal]

mythic mekka to 5%.... just fuck my shit up

i just want this ez tier to be over

i kind of enjoy this pacing though, there's no boss walls other than jaina from the looks of it

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[ionic ridge]

Hey guys, how do you reset stacks on the champion of the light ?

[strong hill]

I go for a walk during the prayer

[lusty grotto]

heroic or mythic?

@ionic ridge

[ionic ridge]

heroic

[lusty grotto]

3 tank it

no prayer in heroic

or have the other tank taunt, then eat a disorient

[ionic ridge]

Wait, you don't 2 tank it ?

[lusty grotto]

3 tanking it is easier to manage stacks

here's a list of how to manage:

1. have your dps not suck and push it

2. 3 tank it

[strong hill]

We two tank heroic. I start on boss, after the adds die the other tank Honda her and I hold adds

[lusty grotto]

3. have the other tank get high agro on it, then eat a disorient (he will run back after disorient is over)

[astral crystal]

i've always found that the stacks fall off on their own if you use spell reflfect at the right moment

reflect*

both on mythic and heroic

[lusty grotto]

4. do the hard mode dance (wait for debuff app -> count to 4 -> press SR -> wait for reflect sound or app -> count to 4 -> leap)

no atticus

its very different in heroic

[austere oar]

get disoriented

let dps tanks

reset stacks

[ionic ridge]

If I get disoriented she switches to a dps ?

[lusty grotto]

to highest agro

[austere oar]

to the 2nd aggro

[lusty grotto]

after you

like any other mob would

[ionic ridge]

Don't they get one shot or something like that ?

[unborn island]

it's their fault for not being tanky enough

[lusty grotto]

its way more manageable to just do #3 i listed

[narrow abyss]

Go into a speech about defensives and personal responsibility 😂

[austere oar]

they pull they tank 🤷

[lusty grotto]

if your dps can't push it/zerg it down in time, and they don't know how to use defensive CDs for example

[ionic ridge]

Anyone has a clip for the reset ?

[austere oar]

let the other tank taunt while the adds are dead

when you reset take her back or take the adds

that's how we do it in M

[oblique garnet]

Adds are dead?

[austere oar]

focus boss > focus adds > focus boss

we dont zerg her yet

[young harbor]

you shouldnt need a taunt if you are on the boss in mythic

you can reflect the stack after the double cast

and it drops your stacks

[austere oar]

im the adds tank

[young harbor]

oh, well.. tell them you can cheese the stacks 😛

[lusty grotto]

we already said

its not for mythic

[young harbor]

sorry i came in late

ah

i shall eat my crow and carry on

[lusty grotto]

mythic resets are easy 😃

[young harbor]

^

ironically

[lusty grotto]

just do what Sickness says @ionic ridge

have the add tank taunt while adds are dead, you can taunt back, that will make him 2nd on threat

then just eat disorients when you need to reset

[ionic ridge]

Alright thnx

[lusty grotto]

Or just 3 tank it or zerg it with good dps 😃

[ionic ridge]

I think 3 tanks is the safest

At what point do you go for reset ?

[lusty grotto]

heh

i just go for hardmode resets on pugs

i enjoy them

[austere oar]

before you die i'd say

[lusty grotto]

ehhh 8ish

maybe 10

depends on what you can take

[ionic ridge]

Well I don't trust pugs

[dense plover]

anyone mind looking at my simc and tellin me what traits you suggest for M+ only?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160 icy veins guide

[austere oar]

DC BoM if you want to dps

[lusty grotto]

we don't look at sims @dense plover

they are still Works in Progress

[naive panther]

I just walk out during the cast

Easy resets

[dense plover]

Oh I know, Im sayin just pull it up on simc s oyou can see my different pieces and give suggestions

[lusty grotto]

uhh

high ilvl > all, then go for prot specific traits, that's it

it should be in the icy veins guide

[dense plover]

thanks Im looking for a little more depth with some help on why you should take X2 of this over X2 of that, or is it just stack the best traits from ice veins and gg

[lusty grotto]

i mean

you can be more specific

i can't start writing reasons for every trait just because you feel like it

[strong hill]

@ionic ridge whatever you feel like taking. 8 seems like a safe number.

[austere oar]

it depends what you're looking for

for example, for general purpose you'll only need only 1 DC because the duration increase doesn't stack, the dmg does

[dense plover]

Thanks nim not looking for help from you then sorry to bother. Looking for someone whos got a little time to hangout and give tips 😃 I read all of IV just looking for some mentorship

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure that's in the guide too @austere oar

[austere oar]

so if you're in a pure DPS perspective, you'll want some DCs for AoE

yeah I know, just telling him quickly

kinda not specific enough

[dense plover]

why is it still a thing for people to come for specific help and the one guy just always saying go look at the guide haha

[lusty grotto]

because you clearly haven't read it

[brisk rain]

Hey, which one would you say is better?

[lusty grotto]

so you're wasting our time

🤷

[austere oar]

400i

always go for ilvl for weapons

[undone sun]

easily

[austere oar]

no matter the stats

[brisk rain]

ok, thanks

[lusty grotto]

"specific" help needs "specific" questions too

nothing of what you've said has been specific

[dense plover]

Im offering my simc string so I can chat about specific pieces with someone and get some tips

how much more specific can you get

Dont wana type freaking all my gear into chat and talk about it

[lusty grotto]

oh so you want someone else to look over it

interesting

[austere oar]

it's because the answers are depending on what you actually want to do with it

and the guide talks about this specific issue

[lusty grotto]

too lazy to type gear
wants people to look over it

?????

profit

[dense plover]

an easy block

[lusty grotto]

gottem

[ember arrow]

Xd

[ionic ridge]

Wait what ?

[lusty grotto]

wtf its a levko

[ember arrow]

[lusty grotto]

are you back levko

[ionic ridge]

Wasn't Levko a race traitor ?

[ember arrow]

$joined

[turbid robin]

You joined 22 Feb 2019 10:28 (4 hours ago)

[lusty grotto]

😮

[astral crystal]

is levko back to grace us with his appreciation of how bad the game is and how much he loves bdk

can't wait

[lusty grotto]

game is still bad levko

for bdks

jk it's not

[ionic ridge]

Last time I saw Levko in chat he was talking about how great his life was sooo much better when he switched to bdk

Did it change ?

[ember arrow]

In legion

[astral crystal]

of course not, he's back for more ATTENSHUN

[ember arrow]

Kinda late buddy

[lusty grotto]

no worries we have sadbox too for that BDK slot hehe

[ember arrow]

@astral crystal love you too

[astral crystal]

:^)

[lusty grotto]

now kith

[dense plover]

What yall think is the best engeneering helm trait? world shrink/ enlarge or nah? looking for survivablity but if its makes since to go dps more here I understand.

[lusty grotto]

dangggg

[ember arrow]

Atticus knows

[austere oar]

Gizmo

[astral crystal]

the best

[ember arrow]

Its what i member him from

[lusty grotto]

i cant answer cause im blocked

[dense plover]

Thanks Sick

Shimmering VS Elemental Whirl? Both B tier but is 1 of each better then just stacking both

[sick sentinel]

how do you do

ToS

with fucking necrotic

orb room

[lusty grotto]

LOL

wait

orb room?

only orb dudes do necrotic

[sick sentinel]

pull everything , bootyclap 2 times and kite

then get reaping wave, refresh your 60 stacks and die horribly

[lusty grotto]

you're not death running it kaege?

[ember arrow]

Some things never change

[sick sentinel]

EVERYONE does necro

[austere oar]

so we want tanks in our game

but they'll have to run away otherwise they'll die

[lusty grotto]

are you sure

hmm

[inner zealot]

Morning guys, currently pushing Mythic Jadefire Masters with guild. It is the only fight I've encountered so far that I'm really struggling to mitigate effectively. Specifically when taunt swapping after 6 stacks from mage and moving to living bomb. The damage I'm taking makes it feel like my health bar refuses to go above 50-60% and falling. Any Mythic raiders that have done this fight a few times with any tips or tricks would be massively appreciated. Not requesting a log review but If it helps it's here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cKLaNxg8t76vy3kY/#type=damage-done&fight=22

[austere oar]

well for the mage

[lusty grotto]

i could have sworn only orb dudes did necro, but i guess its been a while since i've ran necro in Seth

[austere oar]

you cant do much part from Spell reflect and IP

and your usual CD's

[sick sentinel]

I just depleted

[lusty grotto]

(and demo)

[sick sentinel]

a +15

[austere oar]

Jadefire Mage is mostly a healer problem tbh

[lusty grotto]

you need to demo more @inner zealot

demo reduces ALL DMG, remember this

[austere oar]

on your near down you're at 15k dtps and 10k ehrps

[lusty grotto]

also i believe SR was fixed

[austere oar]

doesnt hit the raid anymore ?

[lusty grotto]

from what ive heard in here, it seems not

he was still using it on the log, so that's easy to find out

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't

only when he shifts into the bird

for some reason

[inner zealot]

so basically I need to keep up demo more and keep healers active on me

[lusty grotto]

yeah IP + SR + Demo

[sick sentinel]

and don't waste rage in shield block while tanking the mage

[austere oar]

^

most important one

mage is 0% physical

[lusty grotto]

yup

[inner zealot]

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

even when he changes to the bird

[inner zealot]

pump it into IP instead

[sick sentinel]

his melee is still fire damage and isn't blockable

[shell pulsar]

And use SR whenever it's up or wait until higher stacks?

[lusty grotto]

dont use SR on bird phase

[sick sentinel]

on CD

except on bird

[lusty grotto]

but yes what zendhal said

[austere oar]

remind your dps to let the mage cast pyroblast till near the end before kicking

you'll save a few stacks each pyro

[inner zealot]

^ I didn't think of that @austere oar - that's a good tip because right now they're insta kicking

[austere oar]

you'll take 2 or 3 free stacks instead of the usual cast time

[inner zealot]

thanks boys, appreciate the help as always

[jagged bay]

hi and have a nice weekend everyone!:)

[lusty grotto]

you too, you too 😉

happy friday

[austere oar]

you too mate 😃

[wary gyro]

On bird you can still use SR for just the DR effect right

[hidden kindle]

Which trinkets do you guys think is best in high keys atm? I'm currently playing vial/rezans but I've seen some people play anchor which might be pretty good, any takers?

[lusty grotto]

anchor is very good for dps

but high ilvl vial and rezan are great too

depends on what you've got available

if you have an anchor, try it over rezan for example

[hidden kindle]

yea havnt got anchor since I stopped coming on HC clears after week two, need no gear for dps which is what I play in raid hehe

so currently 400 rezan / 4 vial

[lusty grotto]

right so anchor might be harder to get

that's more than fine

rezan + vial is a great combo

[hidden kindle]

yea ofc

but anchors doing big dmg then? maybe ill tag along for jaina kill soon then

or just wait a few weeks to get it on mythic i dno

[lusty grotto]

i meant it's not like it destroys what you have

it might be slightly more

but not by a lot

[austere oar]

since you're locked baseline on a 400

[lusty grotto]

especially if you can get TFs easier in M+

yeah

[hidden kindle]

yea I guess, but we're not that many weeks from killing jaina on mythic so then itll be 415+

[lusty grotto]

👍

[hidden kindle]

might just wait for that I guess, then I dont have to play hc /yawn

[austere oar]

pray for the gods of loots

[hidden kindle]

i always do

[echo nexus]

Quick Q, has anyone made a loose azerite power weight for Prot, or is it just try follow the prio and do a bit of guess work?

[simple bramble]

What traits do you all go for in m+? 1x DC and 3x BoM?

[echo nexus]

FAQ says 1x DC and 3x BoM.

[austere oar]

there is on blood mallet iirc

it's been updated for prot

[echo nexus]

Oh? I'll check it out. Herodamage just gives weighting for max dps % increase so, was hoping someone had done something for it.

[indigo panther]

Is anyone else having problems with WeakAuras not showing Shield Slam procs?

[simple bramble]

Ah okay, I didn't check bloodmallet. My bad, thought it was for dps only

[lusty grotto]

Blood mallet is based on the Sims which are still work in progress so take it with huge grain of salt

[echo nexus]

Nah, bloodmallet says the same thing about it's results that Herodamage has an issue with.

It's solely looking at DPS.

[undone sun]

well you can't sim defensively so...

[austere oar]

^

[echo nexus]

Yeah, that's why I was wondering if anyone had done a loose weighting for addons like APW.

[lusty grotto]

For example hectic cleave, treacherous covenant is slightly ahead of BoM but here's the thing BoM provides more defensive value

While tc provides none

[echo nexus]

Fully aware you can't sim it.

[lusty grotto]

So in that regard BoM is considered as superior

[echo nexus]

But you could easily create a manual weighting for it, if you had enough knowledge about their comparable strengths.

[lusty grotto]

I suppose someone could, though I'm sure that's still being taken into consideration on the icy veins guide

[echo nexus]

Yeah. I guess I've just gotta guess with limited knowledge and create one off the icyveins guide.

[lusty grotto]

its not that complicated

enough pieces have BoM on it

you have 3 slots

so go 3x BoM

there's really nothing else

usually BoM is in the same ring as TC so you can't do 3x BoM 3x TC for example

[modern brook]

not with that attitude 🤷

[lusty grotto]

so people try to go 3x BoM 3x DC for the extra clap dmg

[modern brook]

Mornin' nim

[lusty grotto]

its wildly different for ST though

[modern brook]

I'm pretty sure the APL for Prot is also kinda Skeevy

[lusty grotto]

so i guess that's where it gets complicated

morning

yeah they working hard on it still

[modern brook]

I'm still learning apls in general but it looks to me like it really doesnt account for a lot of stuff in the rotation

So I'd continue taking sim sites with salt

[lusty grotto]

yup

[last mason]

Is there any case in which 15 ilvls on azerite isn’t worth upgrading to, regardless of traits

[modern brook]

??

[lusty grotto]

no there isn't

[modern brook]

THats a weird question

but yeah no; you would always take ilvl

[last mason]

Yes I figured, feels bad dropping bom, but oh well

[lusty grotto]

its not that bad

[autumn pendant]

It would if you had no piece with DC and lower ilvl one would have it. But with the system traits are distributed i dont think that can happen

[primal crypt]

[keen galleon]

I think it's technically possible to have no DC across 3 pieces but pretty unlikely. Especially since first boss azerite has DC.

[modern brook]

I think the concern is 400w/dc vs 415 w/o

[lusty grotto]

but sleepy said BoM, not DC

[modern brook]

But sleeps question is worded as "on an item with only stats and traits, ignoring traits, do i take less stats"

[marble cipher]

aye, the question was strange, but think he meant it differently

[modern brook]

yeah

🤷 You take Ilvl either way; and i think 20? levels for 1st dc

not that 20 would ever be possible

[lusty grotto]

1 x DC is important and warrants sacrificing Ilvl only due to it being so strong both Defensive and Offensive-wise (especially with Booming Voice)

[modern brook]

nvm it is, just not the same slot

[lusty grotto]

but i do agree it's very rare to have to do that nowadays since there's way more pieces with DC available thanks to the additional ring

[modern brook]

yeah; Gearing on prot is pretty ez

Its pretty much just avoiding useless trinkets

[lusty grotto]

😢

my useless trinkets /sigh

[modern brook]

I just got a 410 Mereketh's fang from a temple run :^)

[lusty grotto]

i feel so disgusted looking at them

[astral crystal]

disgust

[lusty grotto]

😦

[modern brook]

then had my 370 quest reward titan forge to 405

I have a 410 in that slot

So I'm doing a bad job w/ gearing tbh

[lusty grotto]

fucking disgusting

🤢

[modern brook]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

wtb any other trinket

[autumn pendant]

Man at this point even wq trinket is better

[lusty grotto]

i have urges to just delete the character

[astral crystal]

what are you doing with your life

[lusty grotto]

but then i would lose my gladiator mounts 😦

[astral crystal]

just farm AD

[modern brook]

do u use the fang ever?

or is it just a stat stick

[lusty grotto]

pugging life breh

[elder summit]

guys today i play protec in some m + and is ok

[lusty grotto]

i do use it bull

[elder summit]

we did it on time

[modern brook]

When

[elder summit]

ty for the advices yesterday 😄

[lusty grotto]

on reaps 😃

[modern brook]

@elder summit sicko

[lusty grotto]

nice osworlf

[modern brook]

gratz fam

[elder summit]

the only thing i hate

[modern brook]

Like pre-ava or post ava is the real q here nim

[elder summit]

is the pull before second boss on Atal Dazar

[modern brook]

yeah u skip that pull

[lusty grotto]

post usually

[elder summit]

y but the leader didnt want

and said something like you dont know how to do this

[modern brook]

🤷 the leader didnt wanna time his key then lol

[elder summit]

so we wipe there xD

[lusty grotto]

but he doesnt have to know

only you

[astral crystal]

are you EU or NA?

[lusty grotto]

pull it to the side, the group goes in, you die

[elder summit]

EU

[lusty grotto]

you get rezzed

[astral crystal]

you dont have fort this week right?

[granite stump]

Just jump over wall

[elder summit]

now i am almost 300k hp without buff so is not bad i think

i have necrotic sanguine

[astral crystal]

still pretty bad for that pull, shit hurts

[elder summit]

and fort i think is in english

powerfull trash

[lusty grotto]

same affixes atticus, they just start a day later

[astral crystal]

oh yeah you definitely want to skip that

ah gotcha

[elder summit]

i wanted xD

and we had rogue

but they didnt want

[lusty grotto]

....

oh well

you did time it right?

[modern brook]

LOL

U dont even have to know anything w/ rogue

[lusty grotto]

so it might not be a big deal

[modern brook]

just press that skip button

[elder summit]

y time

[modern brook]

😂

[lusty grotto]

in higher keys though...

[elder summit]

4 minutes remaining

was +9

[lusty grotto]

yeah figured

[elder summit]

in +10 the ghost applies necrotic?

or sanguine or not?

[modern brook]

10+ its really detrimental to pull that pack

[sand egret]

nope

[lusty grotto]

no

[sand egret]

ghosts don't interact with affixes

[modern brook]

and reaps dont do any affix

[elder summit]

perfect xD

[lusty grotto]

just gotta know when its gonna reap (every 20%)

[elder summit]

still having problems with agro when i pull a big pack and dont have avatar

[lusty grotto]

remember you have AM

[chilly brook]

You know what’s odd?

[elder summit]

i charge/thunder/revenge

[lusty grotto]

you lower your Avatar CD with proper rage management

[elder summit]

and lose agro

[lusty grotto]

tab Shield Slam man

[sand egret]

on all mobs or a select few

[chilly brook]

Tab if you have to

[sand egret]

you need to change your focus target to match your dps

[elder summit]

in big pulls only

something like the dinos in atal dazar

[sand egret]

it's the single target that actually pulls

[elder summit]

small dinos

[sand egret]

oh those just jump regardless

[lusty grotto]

small dinos jump

doesnt mean you lose agro

[elder summit]

but i lose agro

[sand egret]

they jump to the farthest person

[elder summit]

because i see it

[lusty grotto]

they just jump to random people

[elder summit]

y but i lose agro because my addon tell me xD

[chilly brook]

I mean they do have a tendency to lose aggro if your group is spread out

[elder summit]

it happens mostly with mages

[chilly brook]

Literally just have your group stack lol

[sand egret]

what i do is charge in and shockwave immediately, gives you a gcd or two to get some threat on em

[chilly brook]

On Dino’s that is

[lusty grotto]

if they are out of bootyclap radius, you will probably lose agro to any dps still hitting them

[elder summit]

is a good idea

[sand egret]

they do an AoE cleave tho, so stacking can get dicey

[chilly brook]

The Dino’s?

[sand egret]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

eh

[sand egret]

their jump is an aoe

[elder summit]

which enchant i weapon?

[chilly brook]

I guess I’ve never noticed

[lusty grotto]

i just stack em

🤷

[chilly brook]

Then again

[elder summit]

i must use*

[lusty grotto]

but you aoe stun the shit outta them, they dont live long

[sand egret]

if they all jump to the same person, it could get bursty. Not saying it's deadly but it's a thing

[elder summit]

haste enchant?

[chilly brook]

I also spend all my time on R6 now

[lusty grotto]

its in the icy veins guide, but yes

quick navigation

[elder summit]

y the problem was that yesterday i come here and all you said something like

[chilly brook]

always haste enchant

Always

[sand egret]

but yeah shockwave > clap and they're basically dead

[elder summit]

not go on haste, not go on mastery, not go on vers, go on ilvl

[lusty grotto]

on that enchant

[chilly brook]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

you go haste

[sand egret]

you can't get an "ilvl enchant"

[chilly brook]

So look

[lusty grotto]

that does not apply to other gear

[elder summit]

so i wasn´t sure about is i should go on haste xD

[sand egret]

so that's not really an option

[chilly brook]

Ilvl>stat priority

[elder summit]

so haste them

[chilly brook]

However we still have a priority that haste is at the top of

[sand egret]

i mean if I could enchant my weapon to have +5 ilvls

[lusty grotto]

^

[elder summit]

xDDD

[sand egret]

i'd take that

[elder summit]

all us

one more thing

what is the average dps playing protect?

[chilly brook]

Aoe or single target?

[sand egret]

at what ilvl

etc.

[chilly brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

you can't compare, most of us are looking at dps on reaping so it only applies to 10s

[elder summit]

for example in last atal dazar boss i did 8.9k at 398 ilvl

is low?

[lusty grotto]

easy to pull 20k on 10+ due to to reaping waves

[elder summit]

i mean single target

in aoe we can do a lot of damage

[sand egret]

it's not that low tbh, I have the same ilvl and my single target is ~10k on some good days

[lusty grotto]

single target?

i mean

its M+

[elder summit]

i mean in boss i know if i pull 20 mobs and i spam thunder, revenge and slam and that i will get more dps

[lusty grotto]

there's really no extended periods of ST outside of Tyrannical bosses

[elder summit]

xD

but i think aoe dps is more dificult to compare

[sand egret]

it's more an indicator of proficiency tbh

which I get

if he's doing 5k ST

then you know something is up

[lusty grotto]

i mean tbh i don't think ive looked at ST dps in a long time

[sand egret]

it's less the number and how you're getting it, butyeah

[elder summit]

but is easier to know if my skill usage is being bad

[chilly brook]

Reeeee

[elder summit]

if i am doing a low dps

[chilly brook]

It didn’t copy one spec

[sand egret]

it's hard to say, Oswolrf without a log etc

[lusty grotto]

but

[chilly brook]

https://clips.twitch.tv/GracefulScaryRavenTwitchRPG

Here you go

[sand egret]

old news vid

[lusty grotto]

you can't really measure skill usage via ST Dps

[chilly brook]

Old but still good numbers 🙃

[sick sentinel]

we resetthe +18 tos

[lusty grotto]

😮

[modern brook]

grats kaege

[sick sentinel]

and timed the 17

[sand egret]

ooo grats

[modern brook]

i take my grats back

[sick sentinel]

eyes room

is fucking cancer

[lusty grotto]

are you 100% on the orb room necro

[modern brook]

u fucking baited me 😠

[sick sentinel]

99 necro stacks INSTA

[lusty grotto]

hmm

this is weird

[modern brook]

Honestly though

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook Jebaited

[modern brook]

THe rest of that dungeon is so fucking easy

You can afford to go slow in that room if u need to

this week*

[sick sentinel]

exactly

on the 17

we had 14 mins left

[lusty grotto]

like orb room reg trash doesn't really do affixes, except for necro? wtf?

[sick sentinel]

when we entered orbs room

we did one orb

[chilly brook]

Basically a big pack on aoe you should be doing anywhere from 40k to 100k @elder summit

[sick sentinel]

we wiped

and did the other orb

[chilly brook]

The bigger the pack the more DPS

[modern brook]

One thing I do on my rogue in that room; that no other rogue does for whatever fucking reason is sap the gaurdians before the big pull happens

[sick sentinel]

that's how we did it

[modern brook]

makes that whole room free af

[lusty grotto]

well yeah i thought the fucking guardians were the only ones that did necro

[sick sentinel]

the thing is

[chilly brook]

Lul

Rogues do rogue things?

[sick sentinel]

they tried to get the orb

[sand egret]

well it's the only ones who's necro hurts

[chilly brook]

No way

[sick sentinel]

and the hexed guardian

toon the orb

while hexed

[sand egret]

since the little shits give you tiddlywinks dot's

[modern brook]

Too true grif

[lusty grotto]

rofl

frog with an orb folks

[modern brook]

I tried to get a rogue to start pig RP in freehold for me while we grabbed %

he used blade flurry instead

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[modern brook]

still couldnt beat my meter

[chilly brook]

Everyone who plays rogue rn just did it for the free broken DPS in Uldir

They probably don’t even have stealth on their bar

[reef wing]

Quick question. Do necrotic stacks reduce IP?

[sand egret]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[modern brook]

yes

[sand egret]

i win

[chilly brook]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

NO

i win

[modern brook]

UHhhh

[sand egret]

you ain't first, you last.

[reef wing]

Thank yiu

[chilly brook]

What if the last is the first? 🤔

[modern brook]

1st is the worst @sand egret

[sand egret]

woah fake news

[lusty grotto]

ohno

[sand egret]

clearly happened at 10:46 AM

[lusty grotto]

what is this non-compact mode you're using kaege

[sick sentinel]

the good one?

[lusty grotto]

yuck

listen, i dont have daylight savings here blade

[sand egret]

I rest my case. The People vs Failchip

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't snow in the tropics

[chilly brook]

Did it get 5 degrees cooler or is it me?

[lusty grotto]

👌

[sand egret]

Nim YOU READY to boost my monk?

[lusty grotto]

rofl sure

[sand egret]

yeahhh you are

[chilly brook]

No one is ready for that

[lusty grotto]

👍

it's not modern damn it, it takes too much white space

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t exist on mobile

[lusty grotto]

oh well yea that's true

[modern brook]

"easy on ur eyes"

cozy makes me want to fucking die

[lusty grotto]

iphone 😦

[modern brook]

griff is a media boy though

course hes got apple

[chilly brook]

Apple phone

Windows laptop

[sick sentinel]

compact is ugly

[chilly brook]

🙃

[sick sentinel]

and when people chance names

[undone sun]

compact is better for screenshots

[sick sentinel]

I can still know who they are

[undone sun]

ez

[modern brook]

do u have airpods fam?

[chilly brook]

No lmao

Overpriced Garbo

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

???

[chilly brook]

Miss me with that ish

[lusty grotto]

i use jaybirds

[modern brook]

Airpods are the future dude

1984

wtf u talking about

[lusty grotto]

"runny ears"

[chilly brook]

I’ll stick to my ATH-m50X with Bluetooth adaptor if I need wireless

[lusty grotto]

i want

im scared of bringing those to work though

[chilly brook]

If not I’m keeping the wire

[lusty grotto]

get stolen or some shit

[chilly brook]

TBH the Bluetooth adaptor is actually really good I just lose volume but not really quality

[lusty grotto]

im ok with jaybirds for now 😃

at least for work

[modern brook]

no clout

[lusty grotto]

and working out of course

[modern brook]

I've nevr been more aware that I'm in a wow discord than i am rn

[lusty grotto]

how come

[modern brook]

Yall on some nerd shit w/ this r2d2-c3p0 ass adaptor

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

look up ATHs on amazon

[modern brook]

dont get me wrong

[chilly brook]

These bad boys 👌🏻

[modern brook]

I fully believe that w/e ur talkin about is > airpods

[lusty grotto]

h8 u griff

[modern brook]

looks like the star trek headsets

[chilly brook]

Literally just slots right into the cord spot

[lusty grotto]

i gotta wait until my cloud alphas get broken

[chilly brook]

If I want wireless I just plug it in

If I don’t I use the wire

Ez

[lusty grotto]

do you use modmic with them or you have an external mic

[chilly brook]

External

[lusty grotto]

which

yeti?

[chilly brook]

At2020

[lusty grotto]

Roflll

[chilly brook]

Only picture I could find lmao

[lusty grotto]

Great pic

[modern brook]

least you got 100% complete

🤷

[lusty grotto]

The only blue screen I've gotten on my pc since upgrading to Win10 was an apex one

[modern brook]

My coworker is currently asking me about apex legends

shes like my kids are talking to some guy named julio and im not sure how i should feel about it

[lusty grotto]

Wtf lol

[modern brook]

🤷

[lusty grotto]

It's Def not a character

[chilly brook]

I mean like people get really weird about online play lol

[modern brook]

yeah prob just a guy they met online

[lusty grotto]

So it might be a squad mate

[modern brook]

I just told her she should ban them from playing the game

🤷

I dont want any 10 year old shitters in my squad

[chilly brook]

Yikes

[sand egret]

I had some squeaker carry so hard last night. Age =/= skill 😃

he was adorable haha

[lusty grotto]

Yesterday my friends and me made team blaze it: bloodhound caustic Bangalore. Hot drop early, fill room with smoke, kill with melee.

[modern brook]

ladadada

[lusty grotto]

Killed 4 squads that way in swamplands lol

Smoke + caustic venom lol

[chilly brook]

Lol

I haven’t played Apex in over a week

It’s a great game

[lusty grotto]

Easily countered by another bloodhound though

[chilly brook]

But I’m addicted to siege

[lusty grotto]

I dislike the new gun so much

Idk

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys ! Just wanted to ask if I should follow the 'ilvl is king' mentality when looking at rings ? I have a 400 Haste/Vers ring vs a 410 Crit/Mastery one. Is it still better to use the 410 even though it has worse defensive stats ?

[chilly brook]

410

More stats>”better” stats

[modern brook]

Stamina is still a stat

[chilly brook]

But yea, with the season starting for our collegiate league and our team being 2-1 I feel like I have an obligation to basically only play siege rn lol

[modern brook]

isnt seige just csgo for big babies

[hearty sphinx]

Hey do you guys have a google doc for all spell we can reflect in m+ pls ?

[modern brook]

its in #268491842637660160's pins

but yes

I'm unsure how updated it is for M+; full disclosure

[hearty sphinx]

ty

[modern brook]

but it should be fairly accurate

[native pawn]

With the spell reflects does that overwrite enemy cast bars for elvui?

[modern brook]

?

I'm not sure i understand the question

[chilly brook]

@modern brook wdym

[native pawn]

I was just about to import it and I'm just not sure how it works

Like my elvui shows enemy spell casts

[chilly brook]

It shouldn’t make a cast bar disappear if that’s what you’re asking

[native pawn]

Where do the spells that are reflectable show up

[modern brook]

oh the spell reflect WA in #268491842637660160 ?

[native pawn]

yeah

I mean

[chilly brook]

No where in the settings for elvui

[modern brook]

IDK i dont use it

[brisk ferry]

it has its own bar

[modern brook]

sorry

[native pawn]

the pinned one

in prot

[chilly brook]

WA is a different thing

[brisk ferry]

import it and you'll see it sample while /WA is open

[chilly brook]

^

[tardy berry]

IS THERE A WA FOR SPELLREFLECT

[brisk ferry]

move it wherever you want, it's absoltuely fantastic

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[native pawn]

Ah I see now

[brisk ferry]

jesus caps'ing a question 2 rows up guy

[native pawn]

So it just shows the next incoming spell that's reflectable?

[brisk ferry]

yup

[native pawn]

Sweet

[brisk ferry]

its a red bar, and i u activate SR it turns green

its really nice

[chilly brook]

Literally the only thing I can do for that question is 🤦🏻‍♂️

[native pawn]

Cool?

oh

misinterpreted

[chilly brook]

Not you lol

[daring citrus]

Does the "Bloodspot" trait stack?

[chilly brook]

Yes....

[daring citrus]

Cool

[modern brook]

lol

LOL

blood spot

10/10 typo

[daring citrus]

lmao spelling mistakes xDDDDDDDDDDDD

[modern brook]

It stacks

[brisk ferry]

it stacks

[modern brook]

both IP sheild and leech

[daring citrus]

yay

[modern brook]

I think the only prot specific that doesnt stack is the extended duration on DC

[undone sun]

well

[brisk ferry]

if only..

[undone sun]

yes and no

[chilly brook]

Anyways @modern brook I’d say the only similarity to CSGO that siege has is that there are bombs. Oh and guns. That’s really it

[undone sun]

all traits don't stack durations

all traits stack

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[undone sun]

it just depends on which part stacks

[native pawn]

Trinket Q

[chilly brook]

It’s just a question of what they stack

[modern brook]

Just busting balls griff

[native pawn]

Would alchemy trinket be better than rezans of some ilvl?

[brisk ferry]

bdot no

[lusty grotto]

There it is

Yes alch trinket is better

[brisk ferry]

at same ilvl?

[tardy berry]

Hold on slow down, is there a spell reflect WA? I can't find it in ressources? Something like that would be excellent

[undone sun]

pins

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

Sure it has ridiculous ppm

[native pawn]

jw cause I saw number two warrior world for M+ using alchemy trinket and opulence trinket

[undone sun]

👏 consistency 👏

take a guess if it's in guides or in the pins 👏

not both though

🤣

[chilly brook]

Lol

[modern brook]

Alch trinket is v good

~20-25% uptime on Str buff

[oblique garnet]

the higher the key goes more value you get from defensive trinkets and pots etc

alchemy trinket never loses that value and opulence trinket is busted

[modern brook]

Oppulence is pretty hard to beat defensively

[native pawn]

Opulence trinket seems quite good from details numbers

[oblique garnet]

i cant think of an better defensive trinket rn

maybe the cheat death trinket from pvp

[modern brook]

[oblique garnet]

since it has alot shorter cd than bobsalami trinket

[modern brook]

I'm glad bob salami is catching on tbh

[daring patrol]

over a 6 minute fight (conclave), 425 prism gave me 654k absorb

[lusty grotto]

It's affected by haste

Same as blockades was

[brisk ferry]

dang wish I raided to get a Prism now

[oblique garnet]

pugs are clearing heroic easily

[native pawn]

425 prism yeesh

yh heroic is easy

So not really a prot question but you guys are all helpful and not at all assholes so why is my trade chat not showing up? It's greyed out in my chat settings

[daring patrol]

try /join Trade

[brisk ferry]

are you in an area that has trade chat?

[daring patrol]

that too

[brisk ferry]

go to a city

[native pawn]

ok yeah it's working now guess I needed a reload

You guys take crackling thunder over bounding stride for necrotic?

to help with kiting a bit

[lusty grotto]

Which ever works for you

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt you gonna stream some shrine runs today so i can see how to do shrine properly?

[native pawn]

Nothing works for me lol

[oblique garnet]

Im never running bounding because theres too much value for CT

[brisk ferry]

I actually do the opposite

[native pawn]

im just getting into tanking mythics

[restive pivot]

you will regret soon

[wary gyro]

Neither one is definitively better its pretty much up to personal preference

[restive pivot]

rip

[native pawn]

yeah necrotic is kicking my ass

particularly the orb room in ToS

[brisk ferry]

yeah someone confirmed on here earlier that the entire room applies necrotic

seems wrong

[native pawn]

It deifnitely does

I was getting 99 stacks in like 5 seconds yesterday

Maybe they should limit it to elites

[astral crystal]

just kite 4Head

[lusty grotto]

I would trust kaege

[brisk ferry]

sorry I didnt mean Kaege was wrong, I mean the functionality seems wrong

[sand egret]

all mobs apply necrotic, BUT necrotic is also relative to the mob that applied it

tiddlywinks mobs in that room apply a weak as shit DoT. So while you can't be healed, the actual damage intake is low

[native pawn]

What did Kaege say?

kinda new here

[sand egret]

the problem is when the Orb dudes are in the mix (as they're elites)

[lusty grotto]

All mobs apply necrotic

In orb room

[native pawn]

Yeah and leaping away is kinda pointless when there's mobs everywhere youre just gonna pull more

[sand egret]

the key to the room is you can't pull half o it

[native pawn]

Yeah their aggro radius is kinda small so just gotta try and keep the pulls smaller this week i guess

[sand egret]

you have to pull enough so you don't have randoms hitting you when you're resetting. Cluster them all > then move

[slow nimbus]

I'm kind of anxious about what it'll be like to do that room on necrotic as a warrior. Used to playing tanks who have mobility and tools to deal with it themselves. Brew mainly

[lusty grotto]

Uhh

[native pawn]

black ox statue op

[lusty grotto]

Warrior does have mobility?

[native pawn]

mobility for getting to things

just leap to get away basically

[brisk ferry]

#Charge

[lusty grotto]

I think you're confusing us with bdks

[slow nimbus]

I'm referring to chi torpedo every few seconds kind of mobility. Kite for days

[undone sun]

hmmm

[opal peak]

I mean it’s not every “few” seconds

[lusty grotto]

Intercept / leap?

[opal peak]

Also u have intercept

Which u can set up ur group to use

[inland mesa]

anyone else the full time tank on mythic blockade and have suggestions, that 35k dot hurts

[slow nimbus]

That's for getting to things. Not kitinh

Kiting

I'm referring specifically to kiting tools

[lusty grotto]

I'm confused

[daring patrol]

can't tell if serious

[opal peak]

U can get to group members

[sand egret]

you can intercept allies

[opal peak]

To kite...

[sand egret]

to kite

gotta use big brain for prot =_

[opal peak]

If ur whole party is in melee