protection

[old zephyr]

suck it up DH

[primal crypt]

Damn

Really thinking about swapping to double BS now lol

[old zephyr]

BS?

[primal crypt]

Think it would benefit more over double DC

Bloodsport

[old zephyr]

oh bloodport

[primal crypt]

Especially in higher keys

That bit of leech in between my pally casts

Would be a good buffer

[hushed minnow]

what

BS give you like 1% leech lol

the ip amount is great

[primal crypt]

Wat

🤔

Dont you poop on bloodsport

[astral crystal]

.75 leech isnt it

[astral crystal]

% I MEAN

[primal crypt]

I MEAN

[astral crystal]

caps whoa

[primal crypt]

[astral crystal]

these brown switches man

[primal crypt]

Why they gotta be brown

[oblique garnet]

you have something against brown??

[primal crypt]

WHOA

[narrow abyss]

Whoa.

[oblique garnet]

yamo confirmed racist?

[primal crypt]

yeah

NO

[toxic wadi]

maybe he just doesn't like the color brown

[primal crypt]

LOL

[oblique garnet]

#NeverForget

[primal crypt]

I was saying, ahem

[potent anvil]

Just be yellow

[primal crypt]

In swapping out that TC right now

Going double sport

And becareful about my ip stacking

[oblique garnet]

cant be yellow since im not good enough for it :^)

[primal crypt]

Gotta be mo betta

Just so Im understanding correctly

[oblique garnet]

I wonder what you actually need to do to get stormforged 🤔

[primal crypt]

Sport has to completely fall off and reapplied for full trait benefit right?

Otherwise you wont receive the "prevent additional damage"

Since the damn cap

Damn

@oblique garnet

What you think

Double sport or double dc

[oblique garnet]

Double sport

You dont need the extra damage from dc to do go big damage

But this week probably double dc since its necroaids

[primal crypt]

Yeah and the 80+leech

Oh right

Extra necro help

Ezpz

Kk

[oblique garnet]

Not what i said

[primal crypt]

Not what I read

Lmao

Super quick

[oblique garnet]

Idk if this week its even worth using prism

[primal crypt]

The absorb would be a buffer though

Since it's not a heal

[old zephyr]

with the extra kiting it might actually be extra good

not sure

[primal crypt]

What kiting

Dont kite

Just eat it

Die and brez

Ez

[lusty grotto]

[old zephyr]

Can't

[narrow abyss]

Scream treants then blame boomkin when your called for treants so late everything sitting in sanguine

[old zephyr]

i'm a LfD, Brez is an offensive CD I cn't use it to loose stacks

[oblique garnet]

oh yikes i actually got

shrine again

4th week in a row

[old zephyr]

I got ad =)

[astral crystal]

how many ilvls are a socket worth on a wrist?

[old zephyr]

Not much, Because of armor

[astral crystal]

the difference is 5 ilvls between the socketed and nonsocketd

socketed is 5 ilvls lower naturally

[old zephyr]

What's the armor and stength diff ?

[astral crystal]

12 armor 10 str

[oblique garnet]

socket will be worth 5-10

[old zephyr]

Go socket then

[limpid wadi]

if it's higher ilvl on offset pieces, equip it
if it's more than 5 on rings for haste/versa over crit/mastery, equip it
if it's more than 10 and dropping socket on rings, equip it
if it's more than 15 and dropping socket and dropping bis stats on rings, equip it
if it's 15 on azerite equip it ```

[old zephyr]

If you socket it with stengthyou get more STR and more armor

So the socket is worth th différence

Where did you get that yokai ?

Because the stat prio feels off

[lusty grotto]

i got shrine too @oblique garnet

@limpid wadi the last line should be if its higher ilvl on azerite, equip it - only exception is for DC

2nd line is wrong too

[sand egret]

☝

[lusty grotto]

that's not relevant for 8.1 at all

that's legion rules

[sand egret]

☝ ☝

[lusty grotto]

please remove

@limpid wadi

[sand egret]

@primal crypt , Necro affects absorbs and heals

[daring patrol]

thats from blood DK discord

thats why it's off

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

why is it here

[primal crypt]

@limpid wadi

@sand egret you right

[sand egret]

wtb

[primal crypt]

Jesus

Well played well played

Ravager it is

[lusty grotto]

yup ravager stream tonight

[sand egret]

tis the season!

[narrow abyss]

Oh damn

Ravager let’s go

[sand egret]

its back on the menu bois

[lusty grotto]

(lurkers, we're joking - please don't take seriously)

or are we 🤔

[primal crypt]

They ar joking

[lusty grotto]

dum dum dum

[primal crypt]

I am not

[lusty grotto]

[empty pelican]

Hello, I'm here to ask experts question about mythic+ tanking, talents 1, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1 are good?

[primal crypt]

About to show you the 50%party

[lusty grotto]

talent selection is in the icy veins guide @empty pelican ✅ you can check

[sand egret]

oh honey you think im jokin...

[lusty grotto]

✅

[sand egret]

im gettin my 10 done, swappin to Rav for the rest of the week.

[lusty grotto]

yeah me too

[sand egret]

gotta see how high I can push it

[narrow abyss]

Gonna try to time some stuff this week

😭

[empty pelican]

Yesterday done +14 WM tyrr.. and grevious hurt, healer done 40-60k hps

[lusty grotto]

bad healer always makes grievous hurt

if not bad healer, bad group that can't avoid dmg

[primal crypt]

Grievous with a bad healer is impossible

[lusty grotto]

interrupts on WM ✅

[empty pelican]

more like bad group

in my opinion that run

healer is good but group taking random dmg hurt

[lusty grotto]

HPS doesn't say how hes managing grievous

he could easily let stacks add up and just pump heals to keep up with dmg

but generally, yes, its safe to say it was probably the group's fault

[dense flame]

Necrotic honesty is annoying. Takes the only joy I have with war. TC spam.

I want to stay in and go HAM. But nope gotta kite away 🤦🏻‍♂️

[modern brook]

y dont u just kill them fasteR?

[daring patrol]

ignore more pain 4head

[modern brook]

Ignore more pain; Clap more thunder; Block more shields - prot mantra

[lusty grotto]

yes block more shields

[daring patrol]

block more rock, cmon dude

[narrow abyss]

Block the rock

[lusty grotto]

last the stand

stand the last?

[modern brook]

Last more, Stan

stan is not a good lover :/

[old zephyr]

I'll try some ravager for the meme this week end

[modern brook]

50% party?

[old zephyr]

With knot
60% party
Because... Why knot

[keen galleon]

How was y'alls Tuesday haul? My cache was shit but I got a 415 shield, 415 gauntlets, and a 420 titanforge on legs.

[sick sentinel]

Best trinkets to farm in m+?

[keen galleon]

For damage Yonah?

[sick sentinel]

yeah or just overall

[modern brook]

I got a belt and bracer on my war / rogue respectively

[keen galleon]

You want Rezans > Jes' > Barnacle

[sick sentinel]

Thanks

[modern brook]

Rolled another worst possible 415 in a separate slot on my rogue

Warrior is 200 off from next roll

[sick sentinel]

And for Survival?

[keen galleon]

Barnacle is the hardest to farm since it's from shrine, and also has no defensive value

[modern brook]

MY tuesday was bad :^(

[keen galleon]

Rezans > Jes for defense

Butchers Block is also good offensively

[old zephyr]

Why no butcher Block though ?

Parry is Good

[lucid bough]

vial >>> all

[keen galleon]

Butchers Block is good for mythic plus. I wouldn't run it in raid vs most stuff at same ilevel

I'd much rather have haste or vers vs a raid boss

[sage spindle]

im in a a group of non english speaking quel thasas

and they fucking have old azerite gear on

[sick sentinel]

What about Alchemy trinket?

[steel mauve]

Alch trinket is pretty good

[keen galleon]

Bad for defense. Viable offensively.

[unborn island]

Head or chest for gambled 415 Azerite? Already have a 400 pair of shoulders, those 2 are 385, I'm not sure what the options are like , either is obviously a massive upgrade - anyone know which slot is likely to give me a nicer random?

[keen galleon]

Head.

Chest has 5 bad pieces only 1 good one

[lucid bough]

1st boss has good chest anyway

[keen galleon]

Helm has 3 good pieces and 3 bad ones

[unborn island]

Shoulders are all good, right?

[old zephyr]

Unless you can get engi helm

[keen galleon]

Shoulders have 3 good ones and 3 decent isg ones

[unborn island]

nah - can't get engi helm

[dry apex]

is Bwonsamdi's Bargain any good

[unborn island]

mk2?

[lucid bough]

go for helm, champions has good chest already

sucky for m+

low average for raid i guess

[narrow abyss]

Not that great

Diamond is where it’s at imo

For raid trinkets

[keen galleon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yYw4PuKnHwKYo5EPX6KFHs4VGY4zt20h3Qiorp7WP0Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

Second tab is warrior

It only lists relevant offensive traits.

Yellow is deafening crash (must have 1 copy), red is offensive, dark blue is bastion (try to stack 3)

[sick sentinel]

Is it jes howler?

[old zephyr]

Bargain is garbain

[keen galleon]

Diamond is absolutely amazing

As is the Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine

[modern brook]

I cant believe u just typed that out

[keen galleon]

Jainas trinket is also good for dps.

[modern brook]

TBH

[narrow abyss]

Same

[keen galleon]

I mean I figured they might not know what RAGE is

[modern brook]

😡

[narrow abyss]

It’s our resource duh

[modern brook]

^

it lets me use my shield

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt yeah this is a alt week you dont want to tank this week

[narrow abyss]

Gonna level and gear a prot paladin this week I think

[keen galleon]

I've been SO disappointed by my paladin

[narrow abyss]

Not a fan?

I have a 395 BDK I could keep working on

[keen galleon]

They are just so insanely spikey and the heal being on gcd feels utterly miserable

[narrow abyss]

But I hate the way it plays

[oblique garnet]

its not just the heals that are on gcd

bubble

is on gcd

[keen galleon]

Seraphim is too which blows

Plus you have really wonky threat problems

All your meaningful damage is capped at 4-5 targets

[narrow abyss]

Alright vengeance tank it is

[modern brook]

LOL

[keen galleon]

"Tank"

[modern brook]

havoc is a better tank spec than vengeance

[narrow abyss]

Such a shame it stinks. It’s actually really fun to play

[modern brook]

is it?

U press fracture

then bomb

thats it

ITs cool

[keen galleon]

I mained it at the start of the xpack. Easily the most fun I had on a tank.

[modern brook]

but fun? eeeehhhh

[narrow abyss]

Yeah I enjoy it

[keen galleon]

As long as demon spikes is up

Its fun

[narrow abyss]

Leaping around everywhere. Sigils

[keen galleon]

Then demon spikes drops and you realize you have chosen a poor class

[narrow abyss]

Yup

[modern brook]

I'll give u sigils

those are dope

[old zephyr]

The fun thing is you have more armor as a warrior without pushibg buttons

[modern brook]

everything else is just piecemealed together from other tank specs

"what if shield of the rightous gave parry instead of being good"

[keen galleon]

Omg lol

[modern brook]

"what if DK's heal was nerfed in half and spread out over longer time"

"what if warrior leap was on a 20s cd and u couldnt use it for mobility cause its the 2nd major source of your AoE DPS rotation"

[keen galleon]

"What if havoc didnt have eye beam and generated extra threat"

[old zephyr]

And the cool blade dance thing as well

And ugly méta

[modern brook]

And the meta is significantly grosser

^

u kno whats up

[keen galleon]

Oh my God could you imagine how cool a tank with immunity frames would be????

That would actually be neat.

[modern brook]

Honestly it would make up for the spec being shit as is rn

I'd probably play it

[narrow abyss]

Oh trueeee

Same

[old zephyr]

It's kinda What we have when blockibg though

[modern brook]

If it had bd

[narrow abyss]

Half the fun is blade dancing shit on my havoc

[modern brook]

blocking is such a cruch

I'm learning about so many tank mechanics as i level my DK

did u know ur supposed to kite the big guy during ironsides?

[old zephyr]

Like manor fire ?

Yeah that as well

[modern brook]

yeah i didnt know that 🤷

[old zephyr]

Sometime I do,
When the healer is dead

But not during explo week then I solo kill all the boss if shit happen

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[old zephyr]

I like explo

[primal crypt]

Ironsides Hurts soooo much

[keen galleon]

Yeah bdk cant facetank the big guy

[primal crypt]

If you're not a warrior

[keen galleon]

You get fucking obliterated

[primal crypt]

Bdk cant face tank anything

No tank can

[keen galleon]

I laughed the first time I fought him as a warrior after swapping bdk

[primal crypt]

Only warrior

[keen galleon]

That fight was like this panicked scramble to desperately avoid 200k melees on my bdk

Swap warrior "ehhh moving would be work fuck it"

[old zephyr]

My favorite is paku

[keen galleon]

50 stack clubbbbb

[old zephyr]

He's gonna deal Damage

Wait for it...
Wait for it..

Oh he's dead nvm

[quartz lake]

I'm loving how all the record setting M+ runs have a prot warrior as the tank.

I love it so much I want to marry it.

[old zephyr]

High en player said :
Sûre prot Doesn't have all the utility of dks. But you can bring à druid à shaman or whatever for it
Nothing can bring the Damage and tanking of à warrior

And that make the différence on though timer

[keen galleon]

We are going to get nerfed so fucking hard.

Like seriously

Into the fucking ground.

[old zephyr]

Nah they didn't nerf monk or bdk Last tier in à relevant way

[keen galleon]

I mean bdk got hit super super hard

The armor nerf plus bonestorm nerf was huge

[wary gyro]

Monk and Dk also didn't do the kind of dps warriors do

[keen galleon]

Yeah like... I'm competitive on overall with most of the dps in my casual guild

In any dungeon

I dunno if we get nerfed mid tier

But I would be fucking SHOCKED if we go into 8.2 without nerfs

[old zephyr]

8.2 Maybe but there is time

Maybe they'll just6make everything magic

[keen galleon]

I mean

They did that with reaping

We are still the best at it

Like we are bad at magic damage sure but so is everyone else

[old zephyr]

Dh may have spot Light next season

[wary gyro]

Pally probably has the easiest time with reaping with spellwarding

[primal crypt]

Warrior wont receive nerfs

Dont have to worry

[keen galleon]

Except paladin cant hold threat on an entire reaping pack

[wary gyro]

True

[old zephyr]

Reaping can't kill us before we kill them =)

[modern brook]

I mean

They nerfed arms

which was only good because of fight design

🤷

Sounds like us rn in M+

[keen galleon]

I dont feel like we are only good due to fight design. Unless you mean "the fight has lots of monsters" which will always be true in m+

[modern brook]

No i mean we're meta because reaping

if infested was still live; DKs would be king still

positioning means a lot less than mongo AoE this season

[keen galleon]

Sure because infested required fancy pulls and reaping requires big ones

[old zephyr]

Monk would be

[keen galleon]

Any time positioning is super key, DK has an advantage from grip

[modern brook]

We're also only as good in raid as SB and SR

But thats not here nor there

[keen galleon]

SR?

Oh

Right

[modern brook]

the other sheild move

[old zephyr]

[modern brook]

like dont get me wrong; i think warrior is a strong spec

and i think prot is in an overall good spot

but we're only shining cause the raid has a lot of great SR memes, stupid blocks

and M+ seasonal affix favors mongo dps

🤷

[old zephyr]

Not that much SR meme anymore

[modern brook]

without those we're just pretty good

[stark sage]

its also ahead of the other tanks in dps in pretty much any scenario atm

[modern brook]

which is fair; other tanks have real utility

[wary gyro]

I do think that they are probably going to nerf unstoppable force

[modern brook]

they shouldnt

but yeah they will

[keen galleon]

I need to look up what I should be SRing

[modern brook]

too many havocs not on top DPS

[keen galleon]

I dont use it nearly enough

[old zephyr]

Havoc is OP spec à well and did not get berfed2

[modern brook]

DPS perception of power is less impactful than a tanks perception of power

[old zephyr]

Stupid dps in both6st and AoE at the same time, ip cds lot of utility, movement

[keen galleon]

I mean honestly they could reduce the bonus damage on tclap by 50% and we would still be best aoe tank by a substantial margin

[modern brook]

Though you're 100% right, havoc has fucking everything rn

[keen galleon]

But I do agree with bull. They care more about tanks not being outliers.

[old zephyr]

Only thing they lack is trees

[modern brook]

Not even

They have taunt

Huge this week

even huger last season

"huger"

[old zephyr]

I forgot their stupid self suqtain as well

[modern brook]

and they have the best defensives in the game 🤷

[old zephyr]

And darkness and all the crazy good stuff

[modern brook]

and 5% magic damage to boot

Havoc is overloaded with bullshit

and we're still more likely to recieve nerfs than they are

[errant shuttle]

theres a lot of lols in official warrior forums

[modern brook]

hes right

if only we had some way to reflect spells

[keen galleon]

... the fuck content are they doing where 17.5k absorb lasts 2 hits

[modern brook]

or some form of barkskin on a 20s cd

[wary gyro]

Or the ability to just recast ip before the next spell hits

[modern brook]

IP is either instantly consumed or times out depending on my BoM status

[marble wave]

@modern brook any tips about uaing sr in raid? In tanknotes not so many notified

[modern brook]

Uhh

on grong if you're tanking the 3rd hit of the combo you can SR during it to prevent the throw DOT*

on Jade fire you're free to SR the mage before hes a bird

raid damage wont happen

when he is a bird it will happen

[marble wave]

Fixed?

Oh ok

[modern brook]

From what i can tell on my recent logs yeah

You reflect the fireball when hes a mage

but you reflect the STACK when hes a bird

SR during the shadow pulse in oppulence

its just 20% DR

[wary gyro]

Yeah the damage is considered an attack not a spell when hes a bird

[modern brook]

otherwise check the pinsin #268491842637660160 ; sense has a list of shit

[marble wave]

Thx

[modern brook]

I think the stack is always reflectable

but the fireball consumes SR before it'd be able to reflect the stack before hes a bird

[primal crypt]

Arms isn't clunky

[modern brook]

Im not super sure how it interacts

but he doesnt take the dot until hes a bird so

[primal crypt]

He's also holding warbreaker lul

[modern brook]

use it to prevent some damage 🤷

[primal crypt]

What is that garbage

[marble wave]

What about buster cannon on mecha?

Damage reflected?

[modern brook]

I'm garbo

Still on conclave H prog

havent gotten to get creative past that

I'd just follow the reflect guide from the on out

I bug sense a lot with the random bullshit i find

so its relatively updated to whatever I know; at least; plus better warriors (namely sense) contribute to it so its more reliable

[sick sentinel]

do i got for the 415 (left one) even tho i lose brace for impact on my 400 one (for raid) https://gyazo.com/0446a9b1e5b407aa84972fb32428e9cb

[modern brook]

yes

[daring patrol]

@errant shuttle MEDIGATION

[primal crypt]

Yeah, follow the spell reflect spreadsheet

[modern brook]

assuming you have anothe rDC

[sick sentinel]

ye i do on head

[primal crypt]

That's maintained by sense

It's the best thing to follow

[daring patrol]

@shut summit is prot jesus, even his voice is boner-inducing

[sick sentinel]

Is it ever worth dropping item level other then ahving 1 def crash?

[primal crypt]

Follow his reflect guide, super effective

[sick sentinel]

Reflect guide?

[modern brook]

Item level isnt worth dropping for basically anything

sockets on jewlery and maybe 5 for bracers and back

More stats = best stats

even w/ traits

because all our traits are god tier

[sick sentinel]

Okay

[sand egret]

More like Prot Judas....

#neverforget

[modern brook]

OOF

I'm not angry, just disappointed

[errant shuttle]

the guy complaining warrior sucks is a true warrior roleplayer. Hit things and yell. All angry 0 brain

[sand egret]

do people actually make that complaint now?

they amount of fotm rerollers i've seen would indicate otherwise

[modern brook]

fotm rerollers are the ppl complaining tbh

turns out using the shield is p hard when u think the class is only press avatar and win

[sand egret]

I usually hear the opposite: "OH MAN WARRIORS AREN"T SQUISHY NOW. THANKS BUFFS"

[modern brook]

DUDE MY GUILD

OH man

they're like bet u like the buffs

BITCH

😠

[sand egret]

not gonna lie, it's a bit triggering

[modern brook]

I've summed it up: if you think 5% EHP and IP off GCD is the line between trash and top tier, idk what to tell you

[wary gyro]

I just find it a lot more enjoyable to play with ip off the gcd

[sand egret]

totally legit

[modern brook]

yeah ur allowed to like the change

its a sick QoL that makes us way less punishing

[sand egret]

but that's not like...a massive defensive buff lol

[modern brook]

but to say that it made us good is just ignorant

[sand egret]

which is what people are somewhat insinuating

[modern brook]

the biggest change is blocking rocks

[wary gyro]

It was perfectly playable before I just didn't like the way it felt

[sand egret]

^

[wary gyro]

My guilds MT last tier was a warrior before he quit

[old zephyr]

Ive done most guild progress 1s à warrior Last tier

[astral crystal]

went 8/8M was a prot warr last tier, many of us did, prot warr wasn't bad in uldir, idk where people get that idea other than lazy opinions

and community perception

[fresh valley]

well the other big change that helped a lot was a second ring of azerite gear

[lusty grotto]

le reddit

[old zephyr]

Easier to get dc did à lot

But It's still only qol

[wary gyro]

Spec doesn't become garbage if you dont have DC

[old zephyr]

No but dc was god tier Last tier and super hard to get

[fresh valley]

and bastion of might is pretty dope, so i think when you look at all the changes in aggregate, it's definitely moved the needle a lot for prot warriros

[sweet kettle]

Playing without 1 DC trait is like you are trolling but don't want to accept it

[native wigeon]

would u guys pick bonded souls trait over brace for impact?

[brisk ferry]

no

[sand egret]

extra ring was good, but thats also kinda an across-the-board thing for all tanks. Definitely helps us but its not just us

[native wigeon]

i already have 2 brace for impact and can choose between a 3rd or bonden sould

[sand egret]

If personally take Bonded, at least one stack of it provides IV levels of healin from what Ive seen

[brisk ferry]

depends what the alternate options to the other BFI's are I guess

[balmy talon]

Guys question

I just got the prot hidden artifact on my 3rd day, why cant i tmog it? it does not show on legion apperance when i want to tmog it

[sand egret]

did you just get it now?

[balmy talon]

Yeah

[sand egret]

relog

[balmy talon]

there we go

Thanks

Just relogged

[sand egret]

backend has no idea you got it

[balmy talon]

Got it 3rd try lol

[sand egret]

don't let that other poor sucker who's been coming in here see that...

he's gonna feel bad

poor guy's been at it for weeks it seems

[balmy talon]

But is the hidden artifact shared on every spec?

Do i have the arms one aswell now?

[sand egret]

nope

[balmy talon]

Fck...

I want the fury one

But cba farm rep on this alt

[dire oasis]

@daring patrol

[wary gyro]

Did they fix being able to unlock the other specs tints with a different specs hidden apearence?

[modern brook]

@sand egret thats my problem with Bonded

[sand egret]

weirdly enough.....i never got the Fury one in legion but as soon as BFA started I got two tints of it (not the main one)

[modern brook]

Its on par with a 3rd ring

Let your DK cotank take it

we have better stuff

[balmy talon]

So how can i get the fury one?

Tought it was shared, thats why i farmed the prot one

[sand egret]

not sure, but I at least dont have the base but have two tints of it (teal and purple)

[modern brook]

The tints are shared

the base is not

[balmy talon]

Tints? why dont i have tints then

[sand egret]

yeah so you could get tints of it

you gotta do the req

[modern brook]

#fury is a better place for info on getting fury's base

I'm fairly certain wowhead has guides on this also

[balmy talon]

What is the req

[sand egret]

win 10 RBGs is one

[brisk ferry]

lol wohead definitely has guides on exactly this

[sand egret]

(with the tint)

[balmy talon]

True true

Is that still a thing

[sand egret]

but yeah, i'd check the guides

[balmy talon]

Then i can just go and do 10 dungs?

Someone who can link the guide?

[sand egret]

they have all the can/cant's laid out

just search wowhead

i'm sure it's gonna crop up in a "what you can get in BFA" guide

[brisk ferry]

https://www.wowhead.com/artifact-weapons-hidden-appearances-guide

[wary gyro]

It's not 10 rbgs anymore I dont think pretty sure it got changed to just be hks

[brisk ferry]

scroll down to warrior

and L2 Google

[modern brook]

its HK

2k i tihnk

maybe .2k

[wary gyro]

Yeah something like that

[balmy talon]

But do i have to use the artifact then? or is it enough to keep it transmogged

[sand egret]

it has to be mogged i believe

[wary gyro]

It no longer has to be mogged you just have to have it unlocked

[balmy talon]

Ait

200 WQs? kill me slowly

rather spam 30 MoS dungs

[wary gyro]

Zandalar/kul tiras wqs count towards it too

[magic hazel]

Got a question ... just got a 350 Oswains. I just dinged 120 and still use a 272 shield. Use Oswains or sell anyway?

[balmy talon]

Or i can just kill Kil´jaeden?

Is that a tint?

[brisk ferry]

likely sells for like 1k? if it isnt worth shit just use it

[silk mortar]

You should be able to craft 340 shields anyways

[magic hazel]

20k or so

[modern brook]

@balmy talon ur asking ppl to remember stuff thats >1 year old; the guide will be more accurate than any of us vaguely remembering stuff

[brisk ferry]

you can get full set of 340 plate on AH for ~12k

[silk mortar]

Id sell it then

[sand egret]

selll it imho

[wary gyro]

Kil Jaeden is a tint for the balance of power questline skin

[silk mortar]

Buy yourself gear with the money you earn

[sand egret]

you'll get upgrades so last post-dinging

[magic hazel]

Ok

[sand egret]

it's worth way more in gold

[magic hazel]

Thanks

[sand egret]

mythic 0's are like 370

[modern brook]

^

[sand egret]

plus like Timewalking could get you shit

at 365

[modern brook]

ew time wlaking

[sand egret]

err scaling to

[magic hazel]

Allright, will hold on to it

[wary gyro]

Dont know why its still worth anything tbh its easy to get better gear

[magic hazel]

And sell

[sand egret]

laziness has a price

[brisk ferry]

that one has alternate color mod I think

xmog piece

[sand egret]

people still have food delivered that they could easily walk to

[brisk ferry]

tht too lol

[modern brook]

😬

[brisk ferry]

I spent like 145k on the plate island set recolor for firelands pally

cause fuck islands

[sand egret]

^this

[modern brook]

islands are sick as prot

ur nuts

[brisk ferry]

well originally it was for my DK

[modern brook]

isslands are only not fun for loser specs like DPS and other tanks

[brisk ferry]

lol

[wary gyro]

I would do that too the drop rate is ass for transmog shit

[sand egret]

my bear loves islands 😃

[brisk ferry]

I find them so boring

[sand egret]

ezpz

[modern brook]

You're clearly not pulling enough

[sand egret]

yeah pull everything

[brisk ferry]

could be the case

[sand egret]

and play "don't stand in the thing" game

[modern brook]

If ur not finishing the island in 2-3 pulls ur not pulling enough

🤷

[sand egret]

since there all tuned now to stun you for 20 seconds and shit

[brisk ferry]

I dont have a ton of time to play, and islands dont drop ilvl upgrades lol

[sand egret]

I use islands as dps testbeds for setups

just annoyed that details doesn't record the whole island as a full run like it does with mythics

it's also a stress relief thing for me and helps me practice my mechanical awareness in high-activity situations

[sick sentinel]

just set to overal

[sand egret]

i do that

it only takes each pull

[primal crypt]

Stop being scared

Pull whole island

[stone cloud]

[sand egret]

ive tried the whole island on heroic....but when 2 of those mobs happen to be ones that have a crazy DoT + stun cast....it sucks

[sick sentinel]

I actually just realised

[sand egret]

if i had a healer buddy i'd totally do it

[sick sentinel]

I hate you trik

[sand egret]

i do it in like 2-3 usually

[primal crypt]

Don't get stunned

[stone cloud]

Lol

[primal crypt]

Ez

[sand egret]

I can only interupt so many things!

[primal crypt]

And don't get bleeds

[stone cloud]

That + vial = claps for days!

[primal crypt]

Just party

[sand egret]

should went Ravager

[stone cloud]

@sick sentinel sorry m8

[primal crypt]

Fucking fat thumbs

My god

Im definitely running ravager this week

[sand egret]

damn first Sal, now this trinket

[primal crypt]

Im going to be a parry god

[sand egret]

what's up with the trinket meme's 😃

where's my fucking god trinket

[primal crypt]

What happen to Sal?

[sand egret]

he got a 425 or some shit Diamond

[primal crypt]

Oh nice

Top titties

[sand egret]

since htis week is TW, doesn't that mean the weekly cache is from the raid?

(the quest one)

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Normal loot

From 5 tw

[sand egret]

woo maybe ill get that trinket!

[stone cloud]

Member the days when weekly tw gave you a coin

[ocean acorn]

how much more dmg is one more BoM

[sick sentinel]

12% attack power

[ocean acorn]

ok

i was trying to decide between 415 tempered jade helm or 415 engi

i have DC on the champs chest already

[sick sentinel]

gismo brings good dps

[ocean acorn]

doing primarily m+

been using blood sport for the leech and extra absorb which isnt too bad

[stone cloud]

The haste proc or bombs is spicy for m+

[ocean acorn]

haste

RNG trait

[primal crypt]

Dont use the bomb proc

Just the gizmo

[sick sentinel]

Gismo is the best

[stone cloud]

Ya

[ocean acorn]

ya i use gizmo cuz yam told me too earlier

[primal crypt]

^

[sand egret]

but Yam doesn't even play Warrior

he's a Prot Pally

[stone cloud]

However if bombs proc at correct time lul

[primal crypt]

Gizmo, bloodsport

[ocean acorn]

yup

[stone cloud]

But haste still better

Ewwww

[primal crypt]

Ez

[ocean acorn]

so u wouldnt use the tempered jade helm?

415?

[primal crypt]

Nope

[stone cloud]

Not if have goggles

[primal crypt]

Goggs

Is what im using

I like the cauterize too

And gizmo speed boost

[stone cloud]

They’re what like every warrior is using lol

[ocean acorn]

k i can scrap it then for a random 415 piece then

[stone cloud]

Or save for dps spec

Since it has TC

[ocean acorn]

ya been running cauterize for those bleed dungeons

[primal crypt]

Yeah, save dps offspec

The jadefire

[ocean acorn]

i have 2x 415 engi helms

[primal crypt]

Scrap the jadefire

Engi is better for fury

And arms

Lol

[stone cloud]

I have engi helm and 346 haste/vers jc ring 😉

[ocean acorn]

noice

[primal crypt]

I need to make a second helmet

[ocean acorn]

now do i roll chest or helm

hmmm

[stone cloud]

Wot

[ocean acorn]

for random 415

[primal crypt]

Prob chest

Not helmet

You dingus

[stone cloud]

Engi is bis

Lmao

[primal crypt]

Chest

[ocean acorn]

its bis?

[stone cloud]

Well not bis but you know what I mean

No such thing as bis

[ocean acorn]

i have sky scorcher pauldruns rn for tank spe

[stone cloud]

What traits those have?

[ocean acorn]

415 ones'

[wary gyro]

Engi has very good traits on it

[modern brook]

its bis because of its availability

[stone cloud]

Ya bloodsport gizmo OP and cauteriZe

[modern brook]

It has DC and fat haste buffs

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys I got a new azerite piece and I wonder do the shield from Bloodsport stacks?

[modern brook]

and is an easy 415 thats garunteed

[stone cloud]

Yes

[modern brook]

also its 3rd rings are both really strong compared to non-iv 3rd rings

[ocean acorn]

@stone cloud it has BoM and Bfi

[stone cloud]

Ooooo

[modern brook]

CARAPACE?!

😠

[stone cloud]

What are the 3rd and 4th options

On shoulders

[primal crypt]

Carapace

[modern brook]

more like carap-ass

[primal crypt]

Holup

Dont you shit talk my carapace

[modern brook]

tbh i just wanted to make that joke 🤷

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

does carapace even do anything?

idk why marok has it rated so highly tbh

[modern brook]

it doesnt raise crit; i know thatmuch

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[primal crypt]

It hits people back

[stone cloud]

It’s gemhide without the avoidance

And thorns affect

[sick sentinel]

pretty nice then

for an inner trait

😂

[ocean acorn]

@stone cloud unstable flame or ablative shielding and gemhide or self reliance

[primal crypt]

It has high uptime too

Unstable/gemhide

[stone cloud]

you have uF picked

[primal crypt]

Self reliance is still trash

[stone cloud]

What’s the other one

[modern brook]

I'm a lover of Berry hatchets; tbh

[primal crypt]

Ablative hardly procs

Unless you're dipping low a ton

[modern brook]

Ithink its so cool; even if its super unreliable

[primal crypt]

Like, consistently

Which is scary

[modern brook]

Ablative def a DK trait

[stone cloud]

And monk

[ocean acorn]

i just started tanking 17s two weeks ago

[oblique garnet]

nvm yamo

this week aint too bad

unless its a pug

[modern brook]

^

[primal crypt]

I told you

[wary gyro]

Ablative is very good on classes that dont have crazy physical mitigation

[primal crypt]

Easy wek

Much yogurt in coffee

[oblique garnet]

well not necessarily easy

[modern brook]

:O

rage capped

[oblique garnet]

waycrest is not free this week

[modern brook]

the secret to waycrest is boss skipping this week

[stone cloud]

Gutripper > UF

[modern brook]

clear shit in boss rooms, then go clear more shit while you wait for sanguine to go away

keeps the hallways clear-er

[primal crypt]

Yeah, just skip all the bosses

[modern brook]

^

[primal crypt]

Dont do any of them

[modern brook]

They're hard :^(

[oblique garnet]

bosses are ezpz

[primal crypt]

But yeah, carapace is still really good

Ablative nah

Glulbules

Nah

[sick sentinel]

@ocean acorn don't give me that fluff, you were the guy that was discussing like 2 months ago

and you were doing +15s then

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[oblique garnet]

Ravager is bis helo?

especially this week

[primal crypt]

I need a better doomfury trinket

Or knot

So i can macro to ravager

[oblique garnet]

I need a guild

gotta get that mythic opulence trinket

[primal crypt]

Thursday

I will get it

425

With socket

And leech

[oblique garnet]

you wont

[primal crypt]

You're right

I wont

Lol

[modern brook]

I believe in u yam

[ocean acorn]

@sick sentinel i nevere mentioned

i have been talking bout trinkets

but every time i have come here yam has advised me

[oblique garnet]

asking advice from yamo LUL

jkjk

hes good

[sand egret]

best Prot Pally around

[ocean acorn]

i have never even spoken about ravager

so if u can search it and find it lmk

[strange lintel]

so is ravager worth it

[sick sentinel]

I might have confused you with somebody else

sorry

[last mason]

410 crit mastery ring or 400 haste mastery

[sick sentinel]

@strange lintel never

[ocean acorn]

tbh i dont ever think ever seen any one mentrion ravager when i was actively talking in the discord

but who knows i could be wrong

until now ofcours

[oblique garnet]

ravager was discussed in s1 during necrotic week

[primal crypt]

Yup

We talked about it

Way back

I think second necrotic week

[oblique garnet]

back when yamo still was a babby when it came to m+

[sand egret]

yup yup

and played warrior

before he went pally

[primal crypt]

Babby

[modern brook]

😬

[primal crypt]

I was a dk helo

[ocean acorn]

oh i have never tanked a necrotic week

[strange lintel]

so why is not worth it ? not using it but feels like an extra defensive cd dont feel so bad

[oblique garnet]

They grow up so fast 😖

[ocean acorn]

this will be my first

[primal crypt]

Kek

[vocal skiff]

So my temple was going well

Until we hit the orbs room

[primal crypt]

Anger management is just better @strange lintel

[vocal skiff]

I struggled so much with kiting there

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah

[vocal skiff]

and necrotic

[modern brook]

I still havent figured out if Rav during necro is a big meme or not

[oblique garnet]

they still give necrotic

[modern brook]

but AM is just better

[primal crypt]

Ravager isnt bad

[modern brook]

gives more uptime on Avatar and all your defensives

[sand egret]

@strange lintel short version. You get an extra 1 min cooldown that only affects auto attacks....OR you get ALL your cooldowns up faster via AM

[vocal skiff]

How do you handle that room

Everywhere I go to kite there is a new pack

[primal crypt]

Also it's only 50%party

[vocal skiff]

With more necrotic

[primal crypt]

So theres that

[modern brook]

@vocal skiff i tihnk the default play is just death run

[oblique garnet]

you go in

[strange lintel]

isnt that like 75% if your parry in warrior is already like 25% +

[oblique garnet]

with speed buff

speed pot

pull everything

[strange lintel]

but yeah i see what you mean with 1 min less on everything else

[primal crypt]

^

[oblique garnet]

let your dps slow

and pray

[modern brook]

0-99 real fast

[primal crypt]

You legit have to pull all

And hope they get the orbs in

While you kite

[vocal skiff]

So pretty much shitty in a pug

[sand egret]

^ the DoT they make via necrotic is also relative to the mob givving it

[primal crypt]

Or you can attempt to kill

And reap in that room

[strange lintel]

wish slowing shout was a thing while in prot ~_~

[sand egret]

so the little weenie guys don't actually give you a nasty dot

[modern brook]

dont the eyes give 12%?

[sand egret]

it's just the healing reduction

[primal crypt]

Since you get % from eyeballs

[vocal skiff]

They do

Yeah, I had reap in that room

Tragic

[primal crypt]

Yup

That cant be really avoided

So you just have to clap harder

And grab your balls

[modern brook]

can you still pull the bridge into the boss buff?

[primal crypt]

You can

[oblique garnet]

you just have to leave one guy alive

[primal crypt]

But dont let your dps kill the final dude

Otherwise you pull the mobs and have no buff lol

[modern brook]

I know they resolved the doing temple backwards strat

[primal crypt]

Yup, but you can still pull everything into boss area after

[modern brook]

wasnt sure if that axed doing bridge w/ buff

[primal crypt]

With shroud/invis skip

[modern brook]

tyty

[primal crypt]

So you dont get last reap

[modern brook]

I'm planning on pushing temple this week

cause it looks pez

[primal crypt]

Ohhh

Also

[oblique garnet]

well

temple is and isnt easy

[primal crypt]

If you cant yourself on first boss

[vocal skiff]

So in short: pull the whole fucking room and pray the dps get the orbs

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[primal crypt]

You can reflect at least two

[oblique garnet]

you can reflect all of them

but

[primal crypt]

No i cant

[oblique garnet]

you need to know the spot

[modern brook]

if i cant what?

[primal crypt]

I mess it yp

Lol

Cant your body

Like

Angle yourself

To the boss

[modern brook]

yam wtf are you saying

[sand egret]

gotta have skills Yam

[modern brook]

am i the dumb one?

[oblique garnet]

you have to be like right on top of the boss

if you fuck up even slightly you die

[modern brook]

I'm so lost

[oblique garnet]

spellreflecting cyclone strike

[modern brook]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

we're talkinga bout the first boss

I'm trying to parse this

[primal crypt]

Sorry, to cant, or angle yourself lol

Shit was not making sense lmao

[modern brook]

I'm 100% convinced u just made that wikipedia page for your typo

[primal crypt]

Basically stand to the side of first boss

LMAO @modern brook

[modern brook]

I'ma do some m0s to practice that

Cyclone strike has ruined too many keys for me to not reflect them back

[primal crypt]

Just make sure you're not reflecting the other dude

He's still shooting jolts

He can jolt you and take the reflect off lol

[modern brook]

yeah I can yell at DPS to kick him its fine

can you get EVERY cyclone?

I dont know the timing on it

[sand egret]

just get good

[warm plinth]

I'd imagine you can only reflect one part of it, since one hit would eat the reflect and you'd get nailed by the rest?

[primal crypt]

@modern brook no not every single

Every other

[modern brook]

nah if u get within a few frames of eachother, SR gets all of them

thats true regardless of what SR is reflecting, i dont see Cyclone strike being different

also thank you yam

you'll see Sense and co use shockwave to get multiple mobs to cast at the same time to take advantage of that

[warm plinth]

Yeah I knew that it worked like that. So I guess that you would just stand on the spot that it spawned before the cyclones start to spread out

[modern brook]

when i said every cyclone i meant the casts not the actual # of cyclones

sorry for miscommunication

[warm plinth]

Oh lol

[lucid bough]

sr

reflects 1 spell only

[primal crypt]

If they're in the same frame, you can reflect more than one

[sick sentinel]

^

[lucid bough]

is thgis true?

[modern brook]

its a bit more lienency than 1 frame; tbh

and yeah it is

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

if adds cast at same time you can reflect

[surreal stump]

if they land at same time yes

[sick sentinel]

not land same time cast

[surreal stump]

has been since i can remember

[modern brook]

you get like a quarter-third of a second

[surreal stump]

yeah sorry worded bad

if teh casts go off at same time

[primal crypt]

Now, if we had reflective plating.

Whole different story.

[sick sentinel]

i think that would be so good for m+ nowadays

stronger then it was in legion adds have lots of casts now

[modern brook]

still surprised Reflective didnt find its way into a inner ring trait, tbh

[primal crypt]

If only :(

[surreal stump]

i mean they nerfed almost all the boss reflects in new raid to deflects instead of doing dmg ;o(

[sand egret]

WoW doesn't do on-hit

it's on completion

[modern brook]

Or even outerring with some other effect tacked on

[sand egret]

or else it'd be a nightmare

[primal crypt]

Anything would have been great

[sand egret]

with latency etc

[modern brook]

Deflects on boss fights is fine; imo

Reflecting boss mechanics would be either a) way too much cheese or b) so underwhelming

[sick sentinel]

reflecting abilities on raid bosses is bit to much

[modern brook]

deflecting is a perfect balance on that

[sick sentinel]

in m+ its a good utility you bring for raid its alot

[surreal stump]

pffft

its like 60k? on jade?

[modern brook]

I mean as it is; we ignore ~150k more damage than other tanks on grong

[sick sentinel]

i dont think they will make mistake they did with ghuun

[sand egret]

i think the issue is less the damage and more using it to circumvent stuff

[sick sentinel]

depends on the damage you reflect back on grong it doesnt matter

[modern brook]

Hmm i wonder if u can spell reflect flames of punishment

[sick sentinel]

but when your idea is to push damage alot reflecting is good

really good

[surreal stump]

wait what the hell does reflect work on grong?

[sick sentinel]

I need some help with champions droppi g the debuff. I tried several times but dont have the timing right. Is it still possible after they changed it to 15 seconds?

[sand egret]

the grip

[modern brook]

the grab dot

[surreal stump]

LMAO

i just never get thrown

[warm plinth]

https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

[sand egret]

grip is a two-part spell

a stun* + transform update

and a DoT

[modern brook]

ghash no i like taking credit for that one :^(

[warm plinth]

XD

[surreal stump]

i hadnt checked in a while. lol ill have to try next week

[sand egret]

you can reflect the dot portion, not the stun if i recall

[modern brook]

u got it; blade

[sand egret]

yeah so make sure you reflect before completion of the cast

[modern brook]

really just if ur taking the 3rd hit of the combo, pop SR along with whatever mitigation u use

its not worth trying to take it every time, imo