The sound effect for barrage is annoying though, so I might change it to synaptic
#protection
last mason
sick sentinel
synaptic 🤢
last mason
Yea figured, just wish it wasn’t so boring compared to the other 2
sick sentinel
there is minimal reason to use anything other than RNG
when RNG procs, you actually like it
when BOMB procs, I am disgusted most of the time
because it hits the floor
or it procced off of charge
or off of HC throw
sick sentinel
?
lusty grotto
sleepy probably has gone through all of the traits in that ring asking here lol
sick sentinel
well if you keep giving him the wrong fucking answers
or, alternatively
he can
idk
Read the icy veins guide
sick sentinel
personally I have been praising the glory of RNG daily the past 2 weeks or so
lusty grotto
pikachu meme i mean
lusty grotto
😮
opal peak
😮
sick sentinel
even bloodmallet agrees
opal peak
genuis confirmed 😌
exotic spoke
Praise RNGesus
tawny maple
Hey - sorry if this is answered somewhere else, but does Bastion of Might stack at all? I would assume not.
sick sentinel
have you tried reading a guide?
if it was not stacking we would not be advising people to get 3 of them
lusty grotto
😮
halcyon marsh
can a 385 ancient tuskarr sea charm upgrade a blockades?
sick sentinel
you still get 1 ignore pain on cast but the mastery stacks
@halcyon marsh yes
because the tuskarr sea charm actually gives you damage as well and bigger ignore pains
and it has a 40-45% uptime in dungeons
lusty grotto
any numeric values (not cd extenders) stack by addition @tawny maple - so like Kaege said, the mastery adds up
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
fathoms is way too good
lusty grotto
400+ for fathoms
sick sentinel
@tawny maple in #268491842637660160
halcyon marsh
tyty
halcyon marsh
does it upgrade a 375 wyringe of bloodborne infirmity?
sick sentinel
no
halcyon marsh
ok ty 😃
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel is it bad I was like wtf are you talking about. And then I realized.... engineering helm
hidden ether
Need some trinket help have the 3 above and a 400 diamond laced refracting prism. What would you use for m+ and what for raids?
runic fractal
eye and diamond
exotic spoke
^^ that’s the same answer I got last night when I asked.
hybrid ether
what talents for m+?
sick sentinel
@hybrid ether we don't chance talents , read the guides
runic fractal
same as raids really, just you can swap crackling thunder out if u want
exotic spoke
It is! I appreciated the insight lol
Was trying to figure out specifically the break point going forward. But I appreciated the insight provided
hybrid ether
so 1123211 ?
exotic spoke
So much so I screenshot it while at work just so I didn’t have to find it again
sick sentinel
Knot is very good this week actually I don't have a solid answer
runic fractal
@hybrid ether yes
sick sentinel
You take bounding stride for raids most often
But depends on the encounter
And stormbolt, also depending on the encounter
@exotic spoke white discord theme tho :C
hidden ether
@runic fractal would you say for both raids and M+? or different last time i asked for M+ got told eye and knot. didnt know if the 415 beat out the knot
exotic spoke
Yeah, I don’t usually use it at work so I just suffer through it due to laziness lol
sick sentinel
@hidden ether what level of mplus are you doing
hidden ether
currently 10-12 but my goal is to get to a 15 this week
exotic spoke
I’m a general sense, just a follow up on those trinket question - if I have them within a decent range (is 5-10 lvls) nothing changes too much right?
sick sentinel
Use eye+knot
If they are in a decent range you go for the best combo
This week, diamond loses a lot of value
And crit gains a lot of it
exotic spoke
At +15 start leaning towards the highest?
sick sentinel
Because you can parry necrotic applications
exotic spoke
Fair insight
hidden ether
When would you change that? and does the extra strength for the briny not win out?
hybrid ether
hidden ether
already answered first half lol
sick sentinel
The knot gives you more damage
hybrid ether
so pretty much this and only T2 changes in raids for bounding?
hidden ether
yeah
tender igloo
yea
hidden ether
really i figured the barny would do some crazy cleave... nothing like getting a 415 out of your chest that is worthless :/
exotic spoke
Ugh, the workday needs to end so I can see what I got from the cache.
I honesty hope it’s not another trinket unless it titan forges
sick sentinel
It does do a lot of cleave damage don't get me wrong
Knot is absolutely ridiculous though
750 crit every single avatar?
That's huge
exotic spoke
Yes please (it’s also hugs)
sick sentinel
The thing you have to understand
Is that barnacle is just static damage
Whereas if you play mplus like you should
hidden ether
yeah been popping that off with Avatar for crazy smashes honestly this week im double DC for extra damage hoping to get things down before stacks get to high for avatar pulls
sick sentinel
3x BoM, 1DC or 2xBoM 1DC, 1 RNG
You multiply your damage
RNG is the gismo trait from eng
For example, my 6k thunderclap becomes a 18k thundeclap when press avatar
That's 3 times the damage
hidden ether
currently dont have BIS slots, rocking 3xDC 2xBoM 1 Bloodsport. could traid DC for BFI but idk
sick sentinel
I would trade a dc for bfi in a hearbeat
exotic spoke
Agree
hidden ether
i could do both was just hoping with more cleave i could reduce stacks, with Nectotic this week would BFI help any with that?
sick sentinel
The thing is, you dont gave to run away if you dont take damage
Because if you don't take damage you don't need healing
You can make an argument for stacking DC this week yeah
But only this one
hidden ether
Yeah just changed 5 minutes ago for this week alone, will try it on a few 10's before i try to push my key up
sick sentinel
Actually makes sense
@exotic spoke I didn't answer your question earlier
On +16s and above, you probably have a clue how to play character so you can decide and do whatever you want
You equip trinkets basically how they compliment your playstyle more etc
exotic spoke
Fair, I just have issues evaluating a trinket until I get a chance to fuck around with it. Other gear with ilvls differences or sockets ehh no problem
And after screwing around with it last night it was mice. Just was trying to get some last minute pulls in on things and didn’t want to waste time
last mason
which graphical setting bumps the tclap animation
lusty grotto
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
vocal nimbus
pump it
last mason
is syringe and block overkill together
syringe is 390, and can replace it with a 385 rezans
last mason
welcome the meme club
open bluff
lusty grotto
merektha is my present to the scrap god
yikes shrine key
at least i can kite there
last mason
anyone have an avatar cd weakaura
sand egret
dafuq is that trinket from Nim
true plover
Better to gamble for helm or chest? Have both @ 400. Helm with BoM/DC and Chest with BoM/Bonded Souls
sand egret
if you have no other DC then chest
true plover
My chest can be DC as well
sand egret
oh then up to you tbh
true plover
I'm using BS over DC
sand egret
as long as you got it covered then I guess weigh potential gains in each slot
true plover
Yea just not sure if one or the other is considered to have better odds of getting a good one.
sand egret
i dont have the full list of all chests vs helms but Id just sit at the vendor and scope it out
charred ermine
hey fellas,quick question, is it worth dropping down 15 ilvls for a third BoM,for m+? (Would go from engi helmet trait down to BOM+callous)
dull pilot
after weeks of farming http://prntscr.com/mnf81y
opal peak
@lusty grotto back to the spell reflect on grong - is the thinger wrong in showing the bleed as physical and the impact as nature if u can reflect the bleed?
supple path
You can reflect the ~150k dot that occurs during the grip. Just hit spell reflect before it lands - I use it during the third attack in combo generally.
opal peak
well yeah, that's what we went over, im more asking in terms of the fact that the adventure guide shows that as physical dmg
supple path
It's physical on wowhead too - https://www.wowhead.com/spell=289292/bestial-throw - and looks like it is on logs as well.
tl;dr grong is a muscle-wizard.
opal peak
👍
lusty grotto
trust me, i was confused too
its physical, yet reflectable 🤔
then bullfango slapped me
told me to try it
opal peak
blizzard is just a smol indie company 🤷
lusty grotto
hey, in that case it's a good thing for us so lets keep it on the downlow
opal peak
tru
astral wadi
anyone have a weakaura that would show reflected damage very clearly? I play with floating numbers off but would like to see my reflects
sand egret
I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think one exists/can exist. Reflects aren't attributed to us as a damage event so i'm not sure what the weakaura would even read
sand egret
yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a reason there isn't one that's technical
alright Nim, fingers crossed. it's cache time
astral wadi
yeah I use xCT combat text and it just shows "reflect"
but if you use floating blizz numbers you can see the reflect dmg right? and I seem to remember MSBT addon having it aswell
lusty grotto
no
sand egret
there may be one, but this would be the first I've heard of it
lusty grotto
i dont remember any values at all
and ive used MSBT and Parrot
i no longer use them but still
astral wadi
no values even off blizz default floating combat text?
lusty grotto
its not even on the combat log
you can't really see reflected as damage in logs due to that
astral wadi
I've definitely thought I've seen some numbers somewhere
lusty grotto
well if you do, let us know
sand egret
395 > 410 boots w/ avoidance. I'll take it
lusty grotto
hehehehe boots for you, shitty trinket for me 😦
astral wadi
lol yeah
must've been a dream because I can't replicate, which is why I was asking
sand egret
now time for my furryluckboi...
lusty grotto
nimchippy is doing valentines dude for mount
lusty grotto
rofl
sand egret
I swear man, this guy's got crazy luck
yeah normal text shows the number
but it's not attributed to "you"
lusty grotto
that's because it looks like the mob is damaging itself
sand egret
it's why it doesn't show up in our details
sick sentinel
Right, dps wont track it, but you can see it
sand egret
also so we don't drown in the tears of DHs
well that's what these aura's would be pulling from
so it's a huge point
astral wadi
oh yeah underrot was where I definitely saw it
sick sentinel
I think lord stormsong too
lusty grotto
you still can't make a WA for that
astral wadi
too bad
lusty grotto
you still cant do addons that track that
sand egret
you'd need a weak aura to track self-damaging events
lusty grotto
it wont say YOU REFLECTED 2412345145 DMG
hmm
its possible
but it'd be a lot of work
to separate events of self harm
astral wadi
well i gotta go to bed so you have all night
sick sentinel
I just tell my group not to snipe my reflects there as its literally 2k dps they are robbing our group
sand egret
better than having them see you reflect 100k and get real salty....
we'd never hear the end of it
astral wadi
they already cry about clapping reap waves
sand egret
so let's keep that on the downlow
lusty grotto
they are crying cause they can't keep up? sounds like they need a L2PSTFU
(when obviously they will never keep up, with the exception of rets)
sick sentinel
What kind of numbers yall pulling for avg key? Im around 15 to 18k, wondering if thats low for prot.
astral wadi
I lose my clap key half the time and I've only got above 16k once
lusty grotto
i gotta up my logs
jesus its gonna be full i havent uploaded logs in 2 weeks
anyway this week its gonna be a bit lower cause... kite-o-rama
astral wadi
yeah but no tyrannical or 7x bolstered mechs
probably lusting aoe instead of single target
astral wadi
why not
silk rover
hey quick question y'all. 385 of the diamond-laced refracting prism from raid or a 390 of the vers proc trinket from tortollan emissary?
lusty grotto
diamond
silk rover
kk, figured as much. thanks!
opal peak
got me a 385 shield 😌 bye bye 310
neon tangle
grats
boreal gazelle
do people stack Deafening Crash for m+ at all or still only one?
round vortex
All about that Bastion my dude
boreal gazelle
yeye ofc
but i didnt know if people stacked DC just for dmg or is it to avoid once you have one
lusty grotto
its not for avoidance
glad forge
how is block calculated? tooltip just says "your block stops 4797% damage"
glad forge
so is a percentage of damage?
steep lily
The k value makes block damage % in m+ and mythic raid very different. I cap out in crit block damage % in m+ easily, but not in raid :(
exotic spoke
Seriously? Another fucking trinket? I’ve received 4 trinkets in a week
supple path
@boreal gazelle It's not a terrible trait for damage, but general consensus is IF/BfI (or bloodsport depending on your preferences) is better than a second one.
lusty grotto
defensively
neon tangle
hey if that enables you to pull more, you got more targets to bootyclap
thus, more damage
lusty grotto
what enables you to pull more falls more on affixes than that but sure
neon tangle
not wrong
misty pawn
best way to deal with necrotic as a prot warrior? advice?
supple path
"paladins"
merry cave
Same way you do on every other tank
supple path
And moonkins
merry cave
Dps until you need to leave then run away
supple path
Can remove a stack entirely with BoP, or get a reset with FoN. Those being the 'best' ways, but yeah, kiting early enough that you don't die to the dot while unhealable is the fallback.
oblique garnet
I think this week you want boomkins to use treants early instead of actual reset on necrotic
timber nest
EX FUCKIN DEE
outer dew
Tell your dps to pray
And meld neurotic
@lusty grotto see, might as well RR ne
mang
wild torrent
thoughts on feather of unng ak trinket? i just got a 420 from emissary
mt meant to post in fury
outer dew
i'm gonna have to ask you
why do you need a WA
for SR on jadefire?
so you want the SR to happen when you swapped?
or mid tanking it?
besides the fireball?
shouldnt
you're talkign about the tank debuff
right?
fireball is what gives you rising flames
amber siren
you mean zeal? you can see it on her buffs or make a WA
sick sentinel
Through the power of god and anime my guild did not die
Unfortunately we did not start with M champs today
real thunder
Anyone download todays update to WeakAuras? There seems to be a delay when recognizing ShieldSlam/Thunderclap coming off of cooldown.
i tried reloading, rebooting but i can't get rid of the delay
warm plinth
I hate you so much 😭
undone sun
😂
narrow abyss
Wow
mental scarab
Buy a Pet
silk moat
really?
last mason
anybody have good group kick and and stun cd weakauras
grand drum
I assume they dont, but do reaping mobs apply necrotic stacks?
undone sun
No @grand drum
@last mason
https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz
https://wago.io/RaidCDs
Tehrs has a lot, but can select and deselect
pallid berry
god bless the opulance trinket
sick sentinel
Ok what's so the deal with the Opulence trinket? Here I thought the baronsomeday trinket would be the talk of the Town here
daring patrol
415 alch trinket, 420 butcher block, 425 prism
bobsalami trinket is very underwhelming
primal crypt
^this
final mist
Lmao no, Bwonsamdi trinket is about as bad as Dagger Haft
Trinkets like that always suck ass
final mist
Even in Legion, they sucked
primal crypt
Yeah, I suppose
final mist
Because nothing 1-shot you unless you sucked
final mist
And if you sucked, you learned to play better or you didn't tank
Even for Hyrja
All of her hard abilities were avoidable
Easily avoidable by simply moving
final mist
Yes and yes
primal crypt
But her beam
final mist
That's a DK problem, not a Warrior one
primal crypt
True and true
final mist
Even for DKs, cheat death trinkets sucked
But this isn't Acherus and DKs don't matter here
last mason
these consecutive weeks of cancer affixes area making me iinto a raid logging player that ive never been before
primal sable
this week wasnt so bad tho
last mason
with pugs it is
nobody stacks for anything to help with aggro when i kite, people stun in sanguine
i could go on forever
and on alliance its simply impossible to find consistent groups
theres just no player base
red sun
opinions on unstable catalyst?
i am already running two BFI so might just go with that over BFI again
modest wedge
i would go double IF on fortified and IF + BFI for tyrannical
warm plinth
BfI doesn't lose value by getting more of them since the entire trait stacks. Definitely not worth to take a non-prot trait over BfI @red sun
brittle elm
warm plinth
The higher ilevel one
modest wedge
more dmg is more dmg
warm plinth
💪
deft socket
What strat yall use for ToS this week in orb room?
last cloud
Thunderclap
dim blaze
Did a bit of raid tanking tonight and plan to take over for our guild’s main tank who is quitting. My traits were still set to M+ (2x BOM, 2x IF, 1x DC, 1x Brace). Plan to follow icy veins for proper setup for tomorrow, but how much of a difference will that make? Very noticeable?
I like to run M+ and don’t want to get in the habit of too frequent reforged for M+ then raid so would like to find some middle ground.
dim blaze
Not an engineer 😦
modest wedge
Ofc if ur setup otherwise would be the same
I switched to engineer for only that reason
never too late
but scope your options
that is fine setup tho
dim blaze
Ok thanks
old night
open field
Im farming it 3 weeks now still farming it Grats for you my boy
open field
Im at like 10 or so got everything but the trinket
open field
Ohhh True fk
old zephyr
Question lads :
I now have a 410Shield and a lot of block traits on my azerite, I feel like I am capping my block value in dungeons, anyone met this issue?
modest wedge
where does it cap. i am not 100% sure
old zephyr
45% block value
neon tangle
what would you consider a "good" median perf avg on warcraftlogs
old zephyr
Mybad apparently only criblock are caped at 85, it's all good then
tawdry wagon
if you could get any pvp trinket of 405 ilvl what would you take for m+ tanking?
old zephyr
@neon tangle 75%+ mitigation between raw and EHRPS
neon tangle
what does that have to do with parses
halcyon nacelle
am i rdy now with triple 415 azerite? https://i.imgur.com/sgaEGF9.png
old zephyr
Well as 1 tank your tanking is all that matter
1nd Because of how prot works self healing is irelevant
old zephyr
I'm going to lose my Last one tonight when I craft engi helm
small storm
what should you have isntead of 3x DC? 🤔
sick sentinel
I got a metriculous scheeming over my second DC
I will take that 1K haste proc thank you
halcyon nacelle
was just a meme pic i got bloodsport and iron fortress over 2 of the DC
sick sentinel
that's actually good
halcyon nacelle
3 bom is fine for a alt i mainly play m+ with
quick rock
so ive been playing war for a very long time and as of recently "today" i have aggro issues , 390 ilvl . never had issues before its every group even while face tanking
quick rock
thats helpful ty
outer dew
You'll struggle initially if you dont have avatar up
quick rock
i do
but seems nothing sticks
either i suck or the dps are the most retarded people ive group with
outer dew
It's just a general problem you find
If avatar is not up and your dps goes hard
You're not gonna snap aggro right away
quick rock
its not just on pull
glacial olive
are you using the recommended talents?
quick rock
i mean oim tanking snap tc tab through rev dev shock and still i see them leave me
glacial olive
and/or are the groups you are running with significantly higher geared?
outer dew
In general you're losing aggro?
final mist
If they're higher geared, like 10+ ilevels
glacial olive
on what realm?
final mist
Then that's the problem
quick rock
tich
final mist
Assuming you're playing well
final mist
Then that's the problem
undone sun
🤔
final mist
If they don't let you get a bit of threat, they'll just rip off you because you're so much lower geared
quick rock
my dps seems lowish
final mist
I highly doubt it's just now
This happens whenever a lower geared tank runs with higher geared DPS
glacial olive
whats your average dps over the course of a dungeon?
undone sun
14 years means almost nothing when classes get a rework almost every expac ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick rock
7 to 8k
final mist
It's not just you and it happens to all older men tanks when they can't get it up get loot, threat happens
Okay it's just you, I lied
Do more DPS
quick rock
how lol
glacial olive
7-8 is very very low though
final mist
If you aren't pulling at least 15-20k average DPS over the course of a dungeon, do more DPS
Warriors do a lot of DPS and a lot of it's focused around Avatar windows
quick rock
15 to 20 k lol how unless its a big pull
final mist
Pull more, use it on CD-ish, do a correct rotation, and have fun
I do a good 100k+ on some pulls
Some people have seen higher
quick rock
i mean on big pulls with ava im pulling 30k easy
final mist
30k is low
glacial olive
yea 100k on big pulls is definitely achievable
final mist
Do you have 3x BoM?
glacial olive
even without ideal gear
quick rock
im in shit gear imo
undone sun
found a log from yesterday and there's not even a DC
old zephyr
On Big pulls I can go and tickle 200k
final mist
Gear isn't the only reason
glacial olive
your gear is pretty bad that's true but you should be doing significantly more than 7-8k
old zephyr
But i'm LfD so i'm cheating
final mist
You aren't playing well, I can tell that from the 30k even without looking at a log
What are you doing during Avatar's duration
As in what buttons are you hitting when
glacial olive
during the uldir-tier 15k overall in a dungeon was quite easily achievable
final mist
Every single Avatar should basically be the same
quick rock
tc on cd dev/ss
glacial olive
your azerite armor is very bad by the way
glacial olive
are you not doing emissaries for the azerite that drops from that?
quick rock
@glacial olive as stated
final mist
You need better azerite traits, because that's also part of it, but not nearly all of it
Not using Rev is not helping you in any way
glacial olive
you should do some +0's for the azerite
final mist
^
quick rock
i just got a few new ones tonight from BoD but im not able to use all the traits should i put it on anyway
final mist
3x BoM and a DC will do wonders
If you can use both of the first two tiers
And it looks like you can
Yes, use them
The third tier on older armors are useless over spec specific shit for us, comparatively
quick rock
short terms im not sure what they are , ive played blood dk till this week for the whole xpac . but have played a war since nilla
glacial olive
as long as you can use the primary two traits on it its better than what you have currently
quick rock
i put on 2 new azerites and log out they should be updated
glacial olive
double-ring azerite gives a big boost in primary stats too compared to the single-ring traits
(at least stamina, and Im only assuming strength too? not entirely sure)
final mist
Only Stam gets the mega boost
quick rock
still 385 but have the 5 rings
undone sun
20% "mega"
glacial olive
that's better already
final mist
Or at all unless you initiate it IIRC
glacial olive
although now you're running 2x DC
final mist
Get more BoM
glacial olive
which is ok offensively but avoid it if you can help it
final mist
3x BoM is your friend for M+
quick rock
so bastion of might?
final mist
For M+, you'd ideally prefer 3x BoM and at least 1 DC
You can go 3x DC if you're feeling big dick chungus DPS but the other traits will do more defensively after the first DC
quick rock
ok
glacial olive
just try to get that extra-ring azerite for your helmet from a +0
quick rock
i do have enough to buy a new 400 item maybe ill try
final mist
Save for the 415
glacial olive
save up for 415, not worth spending it early
final mist
3x BoM, 1x DC, the rest are pretty much the same as Marok's guide unless what I said before
IF is pretty good, so are the other warrior specific ones for the most part
Prot specific shit generally always beats out the general traits (ex. Rezan's Fury)
glacial olive
how's callous reprisal regarded for dungeons?
quick rock
rez is good yes?
final mist
There are some exceptions like Planning, which is somewhat decent but you can't really go wrong with Prot specific
Rezan's Fury is meh
Callous is decent
quick rock
so my current traits in my gear are they ok or should i change them
quick rock
what M0 drops the better choice>?
final mist
Anything that will give you a double primary trait helm
So any of them that drops a plate helm is an upgrade over that
quick rock
k
final mist
It doesn't matter which one, an extra trait is just simply more powerful
Obviously prefer the traits as I described them, but any double trait is better than a single trait
quick rock
I was looking at glickwar for ref but his azerite is really weird
wide fern
Merektahs fang 410 in weekly. I guess its as urless as it looks and i still need to use 370 rezan and 380 howler
glacial olive
feelsbad deakka
final mist
Glick is different because he's doing 21s and 22s
quick rock
so Maroks guide will have all the M+ stuff i need because ill forget
wish i had logs for M+
i have just raid
final mist
Marok's guide is for raiding, the traits are a little different
Just remember
3x BoM, 1x DC
quick rock
and stats what should i focus haste vers/crit vers?
undone sun
and the guide is generally for defensive
quick rock
kk
final mist
If you can't remember, look up myself, Lala, Sense, Marok, etc
Secondaries don't matter, go for ilevel, Marok's guide has a priority listing that works
final mist
Yes
undone sun
all those listed are NA
final mist
Ilevel > NA
fierce juniper
There is M+ specific stuff in the Icy Veins guide now
final mist
I wish I could pogey that Marok
eager phoenix
Shimmering Haven vs. Earthlink for M+? IV guide ranks them in the same tier. Any merits to SH? I always felt it sucked because it requires you to be stationary which you of course are on bosses and often somewhat on trash. But this week it seems really weak especially with Necrotic.
fierce juniper
Earthlink imo. You're rarely gonna be able to stand still long enough in M+ for it to be worth it
eager phoenix
Big 💯
final mist
Even in raids, you'll move more than be stationary
And as procs like SH are wont to do, they'll only ever proc when you about to move a boss
undone sun
what the fuck is a pogey @final mist
undone sun
🤦
inland trail
What are the best trinkets for Raid or M+ right now? I just got 425 Lingering Sporepods out of the weekly chest. Is it good?
undone sun
not privileged enough to have cross server emotes
fierce juniper
@inland trail rezan's, jes' howler, opulence absorb trinket is really good for survivability
wide fern
So even wotj 40 IL diff my 370 rezan is still better than 410 mektheras fang? Sweet...
undone sun
hmmm
eager phoenix
Problem is Fang and Sporepods effects are ass so the gain from ilvl is purely the passive str vs other popular choices like Rezan's/Jes'/Vial/Diamond/Everchill that do more even at lower ilvls.
hybrid ether
what stats am i aiming for, for pure m+ , also what trinket would be nice together with Knot?
spice musk
eager phoenix
@hybrid ether ilvl>all and Rezan's/Diamond/Everchill are all good passive choices to combo with Knot' on-use.
old zephyr
Knot or vial for the on use slot?
this week i'd prob go knot for the parry but I may be wrong, what's your take on that?
eager phoenix
Your probably kiting anyways
sick sentinel
knot 100% of the time
you can use knot with almost every avatar
you use vial every other avatar
eager phoenix
KNot is juicy rgardless
old zephyr
you can use knot with every 
for meme party
sick sentinel
and ville, the knot helps with necrotic a lot, since you will have to kite later down the fight since more parried attacks->less necrotic stacks
limpid wadi
What trinket is meant when it comes to "Diamond"?
old zephyr
the trinket tht drop from opulence
undone sun
prism
old zephyr
with the OP shield that scale with haste
limpid wadi
Ahhh okay, thanks!
ionic fern
KR 15.
umbral forge
I want 4
ripe crow
rip
grizzled fog
isnt that not enough to down one of the masterminds before it runs out
old zephyr
You can't really CC them or kite them though.
So all you can do is hittin them hard really
tardy berry
Energy beam seems the bane of my existance as well...
old zephyr
try to not have block when they cast their things in favor of IP but aside from that...
use reflect to reduce magic damage
old zephyr
have your healer use externals if neede
tardy berry
yeah good point... Does it reflect or is it only for reduced magic damage?
grizzled fog
U usually have like 3-4 more coming ur way after reflect
sick sentinel
energy lash functions the same as chemical burn, it's proximity based
sick sentinel
just have a dps take one, and you take the other
tardy berry
Oh really.
I need to be spell reflecting more
grizzled fog
So I should prolly just step back a bit to thunderclap eh
tardy berry
avatar spam thunderclap and revenge yeah 😃
grizzled fog
Good thing is while they energy lash u won’t get necrotic stacks
tardy berry
I love how prot warriors are the best melee dps in WoW right now honestly
grizzled fog
Idk man 5button havoc dh is pretty busted
tardy berry
I'm topping DPS over havocs pretty often as soon as there's three or more mobs
grizzled fog
Dh in my guild doesn’t even use pots and parses pretty high
tardy berry
avatar, thunderclap, revenge, fuck revenge procs just spam it regardless
sick AF dps imho
grizzled fog
It really is
lucid bough
if you are topping the metter the other melee is trash
simple as that
you should be top dps in some reaping waves and certain packs when you have cds and they not, but not ofetn
limpid wadi
^
modest wedge
overall prot warrior should be below dps
limpid wadi
Prot can shine as @lucid bough said
But if you are more times over your DPS, the DPS isn't good
jade wyvern
so prot sims are a thing finally?
limpid wadi
You only can sim dps
jade wyvern
obv
limpid wadi
Good thought another one comes up with the survival sim
junior igloo
The fundamental problem is that if you ask 5 people what "better survival" is, you get 5 different answers.
jade wyvern
isnt that also a fundamental point of simulations tho? removes opinion
junior igloo
Well what is the metric though?
jade wyvern
fair. i realized that seconds after my post
junior igloo
We more or less agree that more total damage dealt over the encounter is "better dps", and even that isn't always 100 % accurate
jade wyvern
yeah I follow.
junior igloo
You can sim just fine to find out how to take less total damage or how to require less total external healing etc., but neither of those is quite "better survival"
jade wyvern
indeed
sick sentinel
I tank up so my healers can dps
I finally found a resto druid that uses feral affinity
old zephyr
Nice
sick sentinel
so I dropped like 1-2k overall dps in favor of tankiness
and then the healer does like 6k overal
in grievous that was
like 10k burst in grievous
adds up
old zephyr
I tried removing the diamond for more DPSy trinket last week, and it really felt much harder on the healer
and on overall DPS
but with necrotic this week i'm not sure if I should go diamond or not
if I should go DIAMOND or KNOT
sick sentinel
knot
old zephyr
haha lame pun
thorn plover
Sorry, but what is knot?
eager phoenix
Darkshore WB trinket.
thorn plover
Ty
old zephyr
come on Kaege it was knot that bad of a pun was it?
eager phoenix
old zephyr
but my guild already hate me for my boomies puns so it's ok i'll survive
sick sentinel
old zephyr
has Hpal become that bad?
old zephyr
I mostly PUG so i try to pick monk/droids.
Sometime Disc when i run with guildies
sick sentinel
monks and druids are substantially better
old zephyr
in raid my armor is worth more HPS than 2 healers, thats what makes me happy
old zephyr
Back in legion I mained Hpal and I had trouble DEPLETING my mana
I was topping the meters never casting spells, only using instants and hammering things
sick sentinel
legion holy palas and bfa holy palas are substantially different
junior igloo
Holy paladins are fine. Pretty good for KR actually because of BoP.
willow scarab
@grizzled fog the way my group goes around the packs before 3rd boss in ML is by death skipping
Get 4 reapings before 2nd boss
analog girder
What are the best azerite traits for prot? Should Deafening crash be stacked? Bastion of Might vs Brace for Impact afdter obtaining one deafening Crash or stack Deaf Crash and Bastion of Might?
heavy chasm
Depends on what your doing m plus or raid
DC only increases the damage, so one is ideal
analog girder
Id like to have a nice comp between the 2 but more raid focused
I can always get more azerite pieces to swap between m+ and raid
heavy chasm
It's not too terrible getting multiple pieces. But IF, BfI are great stackables. Your probably going to end up with atleast one BoM even in raid
3 BoM, a DC and IF would likely be your optimal M+
analog girder
1 DC, 3 BI, 1 IF and 1 BM
That is my outer ring setup
Thanks Lothar for the input
grand trellis
Where can one find out how much damage spell reflect did in an encounter?
inside details
analog girder
Warcraft Logs might show it if the encounter was logged
Deatails --Misc.---Buff Uptime
Mine shows Uptime, and percent
runic fractal
Guys what is the azerite piece you buy first from vendor?
Which one gives the biggest gains
head shoulder or chest
sick sentinel
depends on your gear
narrow abyss
I don’t care for jadefire masters helm
So if you think about it by first 3 mythic drops I’d consider helm
But the engi helm ain’t bad at all
But really yes it depends on your gear
modest wedge
always shoulder, since raid doesnt give good and most of the shoulders give bom dc
so chances are high
otherwise roll what you need
narrow abyss
The chest is first boss and puggable. You can craft 415 engi helm. Shoulders would be the one you’d be gated on. Depending on what I do and how accessible 415 is for you. That’s another way to look at it
runic fractal
ok shoulders it is
cinder pasture
Would you guys pick heed my call or unstable flames ? I'm leaning towards unstable flames but not entirely sure
lusty grotto
hmm
for dps Heed
is better for AOE dps in general
pretty sure its better for any type of dps
cinder pasture
Yea true...Not like prot is lacking aoe dps though 😄
lusty grotto
uhh?
not sure what that has to do with azerite options
i guess if you were looking for the most dps and most defensive of the two, then flames might be better
cinder pasture
I suppose I do enjoy having my dps get mad at me for doing so much dps. Always fun to gloat 😄
lusty grotto
i understood what you said as "i dont need more dps options"
not lacking aoe dps does not mean you don't benefit for more dps traits
that being said flames = defensive, heed = offensive of the two
dim blaze
For M+ I use my defensive Cooldowns pretty liberally on any big pull to help smooth out damage because they’re generally up when I need them again. Now I’m raid tanking haven’t done it before.
Take a fight like conclave (heroic) would you just block + IP any of the attacks until 2-3 bosses are down and save your big Cooldowns for when bleeds come out later?
cinder pasture
I'll probably go for heed in m+ and flames for raids then...Trust my healer way more in m+ than raids 😄 Thanks for help ❤
dim blaze
Ok so kind of alternate last stand and avatar bc they come up so fast
lusty grotto
no
you use last stand to cover for SB gaps
like you should in ANY content
there's also 0 reason to "alternate" between those 2
use Avatar on high dps phases and big aoe/add phases for big dmg, its a a damage buff so use it. On grong where you basically see nothing like that, use on CD for more ST dmg
dim blaze
Ok got it
lusty grotto
avatar = dps cd and LS(bolster) = block buff. totally unrelated and thus no reason to alternate with each other
dim blaze
I’m still running my M+ traits so 3x BoM avatar is a bit of both
old zephyr
Actually because of BoM, syncing Avatar with last stand is quite beneficial when availlable
lusty grotto
obviously but the defensive value from BoM is minimal in comparison to other spells/traits
vocal skiff
So, how do we use last stand in a necrotic week to cover for block? Right after dropping the stacks?
lusty grotto
?
vocal skiff
Or is it worth using if you are desperate for it anyway
vocal skiff
Eh, I read yesterday in here that you would take damage if you use LS with stacks
old zephyr
if you use last stand with stacks, you max health increase by 30%
but you current HPS (in flat number not %) increase by 30% reduced by stacks
lusty grotto
its because you don't heal up if you have a number of stacks
old zephyr
so your HPS (in %) will drop
primal crypt
Please dont spread fake news
lusty grotto
it increases your HP, and then heals the difference
so basically if you have a shitton of stacks
either way necrotic is absolutely inconsequential in the way you use LS
or rallying cry for that matter
old zephyr
if you have a shitton of stacks LS will not make you gain any HPS
lusty grotto
it will still BOLSTER
old zephyr
then when it fades you'll lose hps
lusty grotto
do you understand
old zephyr
yes it will still bolster
lusty grotto
uh huh so why do we use last stand
old zephyr
but better use it on the pull
lusty grotto
wtf lol
old zephyr
rather than when you have stacks
you'll have to kite anyway so SB downtime will not really matter
quick elk
Parry’s prevent necrotic stocks?
lusty grotto
so do dodges yes
quick elk
Ta
lusty grotto
feelcraft
lusty grotto
if you're not getting hit, since you're kiting anyway, why use any defensive cd
i mean
🤷
lusty grotto
in a typical scenario (sans necro) i certainly dont use LS to use rage on IP
i use it on revenge
old zephyr
by the time I've spend the 15 secs of LS + 3 SB charges I have to kite
to reset stacks
lusty grotto
that's a long time tanking stacks
primal crypt
dim blaze
Would you rather raid tank with M+ traits or tank M+ with raid traits? Currently focused on BoM and IF and unsure if it’s worth to swap. Don’t have enough pieces for 2 sets right now.
old zephyr
so I can rather use LS and spend rage on cooler stuff
lusty grotto
🤷
you're not a WF raider, you're doing heroic
stick with M+ traits
it will not affect you
dim blaze
Ok
lusty grotto
if you have the gold to burn feel free
to swap to more progression based defensive traits
other than that, it doesn't matter
wintry ermine
it really doesn't matter that much, I'd go for raid traits myself
naive panther
I tried to raid on my warrior last night. But because my main is vengeance and I supposedly overgear content they don’t think I need my war as a back up for prog anymore. But they want raid leaders pally geared as back up. Got number 1 parse on a fight my dps doesn’t matter. And then 425 gloves and three other pieces of loot lol. Need another group to do like at least 4 mythic bosses with on my warrior.
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
old zephyr
I am uberovergearing content and my guild has troubles with HM feelsbad
naive panther
Eww already lost my number 1 spot. Was ahead by 2k as well
Ahh got beat by mother fuckers using treacherous cov
lusty grotto
rerollers heh
naive panther
I mean I don’t really want to officially main swap but would really rather play my war right now
naive panther
Yeah
naive panther
Have 5 seals to use on war and only mythic raid is worth using them
toxic wadi
shield block and ignore pain are OFF GCD!!!
signal plover
...
old zephyr
it's been a while 😃
brisk ferry
nowai xD
toxic wadi
Haven't played prot in a while
old zephyr
back to FotM ?
signal plover
We prolly guessed that
old zephyr
it's FotM
toxic wadi
nice
old zephyr
but yeah prot is used for high M+ progression and has been used in the WF race by top uilds
signal plover
Prot is less punishing now and even stronger if you know how to play it. We also do mongo levels of aoe DPS.
old zephyr
World First
signal plover
That being said, if u misplayed prot before, youll still feel spiky now
old zephyr
Badly played prot is still bad
But It's easier to play right and when you do you get to be both the Unstopable force and immovable object
(I stole that one to someone here, credit Where It's due)
sand egret
how long ago was SB on the GCD....that seems like a while
narrow abyss
It’s a lot more forgiving now
And so fotm. Apparently there’s baby prot warriors everywhere in my guildies alt Keys haha
old zephyr
Yeah.
But from time to time you still see People asking for big d BDK in group finder
open field
Hey Guys can someone help me out in Private what trinkets to use I got couple of trinkets :/
modern brook
buncha people see prots topping DPS charts in reaping
think `damn that tank spec is broken
roll it
die in 2 hits
primal crypt
People still say prot sucks
modern brook
good
primal crypt
Because they keep dying
modern brook
keep it that way tbh
specs ina great spot
just make AM not mandatory, or make it baseline
old zephyr
rofl
modern brook
i cant hold threat as prot - a novel by people
oblique garnet
meanwhile naowh was doing 15s and 17s on 378 prot warrior
old zephyr
I have never mythic raider and still teach people how to DPS 😃
silk mortar
"Streamers are exceptions" 😛
modern brook
its not like its hard
press avatar
press TC on cd
fill with slam -> revenge ->devestate in st, revenge ->slam ->devestate in mt
OH NO i forgot the demo shout
:^(
old zephyr
it's even simple :
if button has a CD, and it's avallable press it
silk mortar
rip
old zephyr
if it doesn't press it if you ain't got anything better to do
okay maybe not THAT simple, but close
narrow abyss
Yo @primal crypt
primal crypt
Sup
old zephyr
you should also avoid clipping bolster with SB
narrow abyss
Why u go OP on your engi helm? Can u explain rationale alittle? I read tooltip and doesn’t seem like it’d be that great when actively tanking. Curious if in practice it actually works well
primal crypt
It has an internal cd
On how fast it falls off
So it's not stripped away right off the bat
narrow abyss
Got it makes sense then
narrow abyss
Yeah I was debating between both
primal crypt
But you dont get much use since you're not constantly dropping below 40%
At least if you're doing stuff correctly
Also, it's not going to save your life if you're that low anyway
It's not a full defensive CD or anything
primal crypt
You could argue the unstable flames as well
Especially in my case, I'd have two of them
And just say I have higher crit uptime
But I'd still rather have a little bit more haste
modern brook
proc'd haste is more powerful than proc'd other stats, IMO
primal crypt
Now my 400 chest piece also have OP on it, but I'd rather have the crystalline carapace
Since that one procs all the time
lusty grotto
@modern brook turn in your prot badge for forgetting demo
you're on time out for 2 mins
primal crypt
Just the hit back on mobs/armor during m+ feels good
narrow abyss
Ya
primal crypt
So im just spreading out my traits
modern brook
primal crypt
Ive been debating swapping out my engi helm from TC to bloodsport
But I overwrite the shit out of my ip
narrow abyss
Same
primal crypt
So id be better off with the extra TC
narrow abyss
I think the leech has big benefit
primal crypt
Leech is big
narrow abyss
Allegedly
primal crypt
But that would mean I need to double up on my bloodsport
oblique garnet
it is massive
primal crypt
At least
narrow abyss
Too many good traits
oblique garnet
i only have 1 bloodsport
narrow abyss
Man
oblique garnet
and the leech is huge
primal crypt
2 BS, 2 BoM, 1 DC, 1 RNG
narrow abyss
Yeah I have 1 bloodsport, 1 bonded soul, and diamond trinket. Rank 1 healing parse on some random heroic highs haha
primal crypt
Ai guess that wouldnt be bad
I might actually give that a try
Swap out the second DC
narrow abyss
How u like gizmo. Trying to figure out if engi helm is good for medium term or should just replace now with 415 residuum since the jadefire helm sucks
old zephyr
my options are beetween Bloodport or swirling sands, I kinda hesitate
primal crypt
especially if it'll help my healer
old zephyr
Gizmo is AMAZING
primal crypt
Dis dude
narrow abyss
Ha
primal crypt
👀
old zephyr
when it procs together with rezan's and weap enchant it feel like someone just lusted
old zephyr
"WHO the hell just lusted the small lizard pack"
primal crypt
Because im so fast
old zephyr
oh no mybad i'm just too fast
lusty grotto
gottagofast
oblique garnet
freehold 2nd boss with haste buffs i actually had no cd on tc
primal crypt
That's a feelsgood
narrow abyss
That sounds lovely
primal crypt
Press only tc
old zephyr
1 button spec