protection

[primal crypt]

Big brain

Adds take forever

[modern brook]

smol brain dude

[primal crypt]

Could pop the shit out of globs

[modern brook]

yam stop

[primal crypt]

K

[reef sequoia]

I'm not a warrior, but thinking about Prot. What are some of Prot's weaknesses as a tank?

[modern brook]

Magic damage; add management; bleeds

off the top my head

[primal crypt]

@reef sequoia poor mitigation managment

Cooldown management

[reef sequoia]

Isn't poor mitigation management a rotational issue?

[primal crypt]

Eh

[modern brook]

It depends

[primal crypt]

Situational rather than rotational

[reef sequoia]

ic

[modern brook]

but yeah prot gets trucked by everything it got trucked by in 8.0

[reef sequoia]

What are prot's options against magic damage?

[modern brook]

spell reflect and crying

[primal crypt]

Reflect and LoS

[reef sequoia]

LOL.

[primal crypt]

And reflect is stripped when the mobs sneeze

[reef sequoia]

zi'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh. Very serious problem.

[dense flame]

Yeah IP, SR and just pump through it

[modern brook]

^

[dense flame]

Demo shout

[modern brook]

healer externals

[dense flame]

Go fucking ham my son

[modern brook]

Most tanks struggle with magic damage though

not really a prot specific thing

[primal crypt]

Shadow of Zul in KR

Comes to mind

[dense flame]

Yeah that guy

But can’t you do a kite method

[primal crypt]

Then going right into the last boss

With no CDs

Feelsgoodman

[modern brook]

^^^^^^^

[reef sequoia]

Since I don't play Prot, can someone give me a basic run down of how the core mechanics work?

[modern brook]

oh my god

maintianing cds before bosses is the most like discipline focused thing i can think of

soemtimes ur like

getting beat up

but tyr yaz is next

ok bad exmaple

but u know what im gettinga t

[primal crypt]

Kr example

[modern brook]

^

KR is also sorta ez tbh

ppl over hype how hard it is

3rd boss and zul are the only trouble spots

[dense flame]

For this week. Would you guys still pull huge? Then start kiting around “x stacks”

[modern brook]

yamw ill

I'm not certain how fat im pulling tbh

probably gunna ruin some keys while i get used to it

im trying to force my group to go faster

[dense flame]

I just want to avatar mekka trinket TC spam

[primal crypt]

This week ill prob still pull entire pig room in WM

[daring marlin]

I want the mekka tank pretty bad but eh

[dense flame]

Every week without fail

[daring marlin]

I just like

playing with trinkets

[primal crypt]

gotta watch the packs that have adds that hit really quickly though

Shockwave early, pre avatar as always before going in

Maximize your booty cheeks

Then jet

In an orderly fashion

[sick sentinel]

just parry necrotic

easy

[reef sequoia]

lol.

[primal crypt]

Ohhhhhh is it week?

Time to test

[supple path]

2.1%

[primal crypt]

With two traits

[supple path]

Yeah. in heroic to be fair.

I'd expect M+ to be a little better

[primal crypt]

Eh

[supple path]

So bad, but not QUITE as bad as feared.

[sick sentinel]

2% was HMC

[supple path]

Granted hardly a mathematically solid sample size.

[sick sentinel]

once

[supple path]

28 instances of it doing damage across the whole instance.

(Atal'dazar)

[primal crypt]

Yolo

[reef sequoia]

Does IP have a cooldown?

[primal crypt]

Hmc and globs Im still keeping low on my pole

@reef sequoia an internal cd

So you dont overwrite if you dont mean to

But we spam it to get avatar back quicker

[reef sequoia]

^ That I'm confused about

[primal crypt]

I mean, I spam it

[supple path]

Bloodmallet suggests 2 earthlinks would've been about 3% in that case though, so...yeah, your point is made. you monsters.

[reef sequoia]

It feels weird having a DPS cooldown on a tank spec tbh.

[primal crypt]

Glulbules

Avatar isnt a dps cooldown

[supple path]

It's an everything cooldown!

[primal crypt]

Please tell everyone it's purely defensive

[reef sequoia]

o.o Doesn't it just increase damage?

[primal crypt]

Thanks

And the thunderclap damage is a nonissue

[supple path]

With BoM it also grants enough mastery to qualify as a defensive CD

[primal crypt]

Because, its purely defensive dps

[reef sequoia]

what's BoM

D;

[supple path]

Bastion of Might, trait

[primal crypt]

Bastion of Might

[reef sequoia]

lol this is kinda why I asked for a run down earlier.

[supple path]

e.g. on a 415 it'll be +599 mastery for 20s on avatar use.

[primal crypt]

And Im being sarcastic

[reef sequoia]

o

[primal crypt]

Avatar is a huge dps booster

[supple path]

I go from a 21.8% chance of crit block to 46% when I use avatar with two BoM traits, but yeah, DPS is the primary purpose.

[primal crypt]

It's what makes our thunderclap so memey

[lusty grotto]

WEW good thing i was stuck in a meeting and completely missed this conversation to say "icy veins guide"

[primal crypt]

Join in Nim

[reef sequoia]

I'm looking at it, hence my questions, Nimchip. 😛

[lusty grotto]

Nope, you can handle it Yamo 😛

[primal crypt]

Matter of fact, take over and give him good info

I have to take a nap

[lusty grotto]

might i refer to you @warm plinth

he loves helping people and always yells at me when i spam

❤

[primal crypt]

Christmas is over Nim

[sick sentinel]

I was getting trucked by kimbul in heroic last night. How do I make that fight not suck?

[neon tangle]

christmas is NEVER OVER

[lusty grotto]

😦

[neon tangle]

I'm a festive box 24/7 365

[lusty grotto]

anyway what is the question

[supple path]

"be a dwarf"

[lusty grotto]

what's BoM? that was answered

[neon tangle]

Blessing of Mercy?

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel 2-3 stacks max

[reef sequoia]

My initial question was about whether IP had a cooldown. It has an internal one? And if that's the case... does it have a specific duration?

[lusty grotto]

for all intents and purposes, it doesnt

[supple path]

The cooldown is just a 1 second ICD to prevent double applications

[lusty grotto]

because i assume you don't want the technical answer

[supple path]

since it's off the gcd

[lusty grotto]

nothing to be concerned about

[reef sequoia]

I do want the technical answer. I don't play Prot though, nor warrior in general. Just looking to understand them more.

[supple path]

And it lasts 12 seconds.

[sick sentinel]

We were only going to two stacks. We were going down after two bosses and during the bird

[lusty grotto]

ok so OFF-GCD abilities usually have a 0.5 ms CD in order to prevent spamming

this applies to every class

[reef sequoia]

ye

[lusty grotto]

that's the "internal cd"

[reef sequoia]

And the duration aspect? the tooltip says it ignores up to x amount of my AP.

Trying to figure out if it's got a duration like Ironskin brew.

[supple path]

It lasts for 12 seconds. You can refresh it prior to expiration and it will stack to up to 1.3x the initial value.

[reef sequoia]

Pandemic, nice.

[supple path]

The absorb value that is, not the duration

There are some weakauras that help with telling you when a cast'll be wasted or whatnot.

[primal crypt]

But ip gets stripped most of the time

[reef sequoia]

So you can absorb 50k damage, and then refresh that up to 65k at some point?

[primal crypt]

So you'll hardly refresh it

Just apply it like new

[supple path]

if you have 15k of absorb left and recast it, will be 65k yeah.

but will also be 65k if you have 40k absorb left

[reef sequoia]

Yeah

Basically the same premise as DoT pandemic.

[primal crypt]

People thought ip got this huge buff

But it's still underwhelming

[modern brook]

Ppl think warrior got a buff

[reef sequoia]

What was it like before?

[modern brook]

Ans they're big idiots

[primal crypt]

Exactly the same

But on the gcd lol

[modern brook]

On gcd

[reef sequoia]

lol.

[primal crypt]

We did the same dmg

[modern brook]

Thays the "big buff " war got that you hear about

[primal crypt]

But no one took prot seriously

[supple path]

The IP buff in my mind reads "IP now also casts devastate"

which is a pretty nice buff

[modern brook]

Made us playable :^) - reddit

[primal crypt]

Viable

50%party

[lusty grotto]

viable

[modern brook]

60%party

Go big yam

[primal crypt]

I cant

Im limited to 50%

[modern brook]

I'll clear it with ur mom

Well party 60%

[lusty grotto]

bull stop breaking memes

[modern brook]

Itll be great

[primal crypt]

But i promise to do some 50%party this week for you guys

Logs and all

[supple path]

Sometimes, at pug camp, I don't cast IP at all unless I'm going to get rage capped. I call it my revenge. rimshot

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[primal crypt]

Gonna try it on 18 key

And see how effective it is

Too much party maybe

[lusty grotto]

i know what you're doing, pallies dont have 50%party

[primal crypt]

What is this pally meme

WAT

[lusty grotto]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rogue-one-traitor-fYFTES1dWOY5G

[primal crypt]

Go look at my pally

Yamolino

[reef sequoia]

Do Prot warriors cast Demo Shout in the same way a Blood DK might cast Dancing Rune Weapon, as a mini-CD for incoming heavy damage? Such as... bestial combo/tantrum on grong?

[primal crypt]

Tell me if thats a party at all

[lusty grotto]

Yamorinodin

[modern brook]

My favorite pally joke is still "hey guys prot to prot here looking to 👟 🍜 🙏

[supple path]

Sort of Viz, but it's a short enough CD that we don't sit on it very long.

[primal crypt]

@reef sequoia demo shout is used asap as possible

[supple path]

Since casting it also generates rage, increases damage, etc. you don't want it rotting on cd.

[primal crypt]

We really need better rage dumping though

[modern brook]

Maybe some kind of strike that heroes use

[primal crypt]

Having ip isn't enough in aoe situations

[cold plover]

just got new shoulders from residuum. sim says its -.2% to switch my chestpieces cshb with IF. shoulders gave me a second stack of CSHB and i think that's why it wants me to switch, but earlier people were saying IF is oversimmed?

[supple path]

Yeah we're gonna need "Inflict Pain" as a competing rage dump

[primal crypt]

But then we're starving on ST

[lusty grotto]

no @reef sequoia, we use it on CD

[primal crypt]

@cold plover dont use sims

[lusty grotto]

Sims are still works in progress @cold plover

[cold plover]

i feel like the second cshb is better 🤔

[primal crypt]

Wait a minute

[modern brook]

Idk about post DC nerf

[lusty grotto]

which comes down to what the fuck is CSHB

[primal crypt]

youre in the wrong channel top

[modern brook]

But 80%demo uptime was possible

[cold plover]

fuuuuuuuuuuck i am in prot not fury

lmaoooooooo

[lusty grotto]

hahaha

[primal crypt]

LMAOOOOO

[lusty grotto]

thats fine lol

[modern brook]

Oof

[cold plover]

let me just copy and paste that you fellas have a great day

[lusty grotto]

you too sir

[primal crypt]

bye bye

[lusty grotto]

stop playing furries

arms 4ever

[primal crypt]

Play arms

[reef sequoia]

A few people in Peak of Serenity were discussing how OP Prot's damage was in comparison to Brewmaster. Can someone give me a brief run down of how/why?

[primal crypt]

Amirite

[cold plover]

lmao maybe next patch

[opal peak]

it does a lot more damage

than brew

bc they clap

[modern brook]

Bcuz bremasters are sad they have to play the game now

[reef sequoia]

Avatar making a big difference ofc

[primal crypt]

BrM dmg

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

Why do i get the feeling... we're being interviewed

like

[reef sequoia]

LOL.

[lusty grotto]

seriously

i hope you do give credit to Skyhold

if you're planning on using those answers

im not joking

your questions are specific enough

[modern brook]

In keys. Prot is just really good for the season tbh

[primal crypt]

He's not joking

[reef sequoia]

I'll be honest, I find warriors mostly boring to play, at least thematically. 😛 But my level of "I need to know everything" is the sole reason I'm here asking these questions.

[sick sentinel]

You do realize BrM has always had low damage for awhile

[modern brook]

Same way arms was good in uldir cause the fights were designed for it

[primal crypt]

Reaping is prot play

Legitimately no one can follow

Dk might have, but bonestorm got nerfed

So gg

[lusty grotto]

Prot's dmg has been better than BRMs since 8.0

[sick sentinel]

DH could if they weren't shit

[primal crypt]

And DH is LMAO

[steady hawk]

Tclap is best clap

[modern brook]

Yikes

[supple path]

Prot has an AE DPS CD that lasts 20 seconds and is up every minute.

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel read my mind

[modern brook]

Imagine considering vdh

[opal peak]

brew has no offensive CD's and has 3 main aoe abilities all will like 8 second CD's (well rjw can always be up but it aint Tclap)

[supple path]

Other tanks don't. that's the story.

[reef sequoia]

I thought avatar was 90s cd

[supple path]

anger management makes it ~60

[lusty grotto]

read: Anger Management

[reef sequoia]

Right.

[sick sentinel]

AM makes that CD anywhere between 30-50 sec cd

[opal peak]

but prot dont need avatar to do damage

[reef sequoia]

cd reduction on main ability when you ... I can't remember if it was crit

[lusty grotto]

no

[modern brook]

Brews dont lose a lot of damage from kiting thoufg

[lusty grotto]

look it up again

[modern brook]

That's their stength

[reef sequoia]

i should eh

[modern brook]

From a dps perspective I mean

[opal peak]

not much to lose tho @modern brook

[ember crest]

we did it boys

[sick sentinel]

What warriors bring that every other tanks lack is good damage, and amazing physical DR

[opal peak]

Pog

[modern brook]

Fair but most of their damage ticks while kiting

[reef sequoia]

rage spent. right.

[lusty grotto]

420 shield GZ

[modern brook]

Where vdh and us are donzo

[primal crypt]

420 shield

Might as well uninstall

[lusty grotto]

420 SHIELD yes yamo 420

[primal crypt]

You beat the game

[modern brook]

Gg

[ember crest]

games over, i did it, peaked

[sick sentinel]

I mean die

[primal crypt]

That's it

[steady hawk]

i just got a 420 shield as well, from BoD, i had a 375 until today

[lusty grotto]

same as that 420 bandages that someone posted earlier lol

[primal crypt]

You done did it

[opal peak]

like my 408 brew will do ~11k overall in a m+ and my 385 prot can do 14k, always fun

man my war still has a 310 shield

he a smol boy

[primal crypt]

@steady hawk stop trying to take bagos glory

He said 420 first

[ember crest]

yea i need all of it

[modern brook]

Lol u poor thing

[reef sequoia]

lol.

[lusty grotto]

hey 2x 420s is better than 1x 420

[modern brook]

310

[opal peak]

😃

[primal crypt]

I think i warforged a 405

[opal peak]

yup

[lusty grotto]

mad cottonmouth tho

[opal peak]

shield just wont drop

[primal crypt]

I hate you both

[ember crest]

❤

[opal peak]

and im too poor to buy anything higher

[modern brook]

Actually that's another thing

[lusty grotto]

i warfordged a 405 too yamo 😦

[modern brook]

Prot is way more gear dependant than other tanks

It's why early bfa was so hard

[opal peak]

have a 410 wep tho so at least there's that... but god it hurts having such a bad shield

[lusty grotto]

more "shield" dependent

[steady hawk]

it took 5 weeks to get a new shield, i ran probably 20 or more mythic 10+ dungeons that drop shields then a pug mythic champs gives it up

[modern brook]

Mixed with how much more demanding the spec was in 8.0

[sick sentinel]

Hopefully today I get my 425 shield from M Champs today

[lusty grotto]

i still have a 385 1 hander, sigh

[opal peak]

i can get a 375 from conquest cap but the thought of doing pvp

is yikes

[lusty grotto]

pfft

[primal crypt]

20 m+

[sick sentinel]

Do that area quest thing

[primal crypt]

.....ran 20 m+

..........

[steady hawk]

20, mythic 10+

or more

[primal crypt]

20........

[lusty grotto]

he ran 10 mythic 20+

[primal crypt]

He ran

[modern brook]

2 zerl

[ember crest]

maybe the m stands for million

you dont know

[lusty grotto]

listen yamo

[primal crypt]

10 x 20+ mystic plus.

[opal peak]

lol

[lusty grotto]

yes

[primal crypt]

Sorry, 20 million raid dungeon crusades.

[modern brook]

Ten ten twos mythril flux

[lusty grotto]

10 x 20 mystic plus = yes

[primal crypt]

Got 420 blazed buns. Time 10. At 20 million units.

[lusty grotto]

wait hold the fuck on, who said mystic

[modern brook]

I thought this was the meme tbh

[primal crypt]

Mystic plus. Times 20+.

[lusty grotto]

/nod

[primal crypt]

I still have 405.

[lusty grotto]

me too

[primal crypt]

Ive run so many mystics.

[reef sequoia]

Someone earlier mentioned that Prot has trouble dealing with bleeds. Assuming they can't be removed, why is that, and what are Prot's options?

[primal crypt]

Soooo many mystics.

[magic hazel]

Got a 272 shield atm!

[primal crypt]

@reef sequoia we have to blow the big CDs for bleeds

Wall, demo, spam ip

[opal peak]

man i love using my bug CDs

[reef sequoia]

Kimbul must be hell for you.

[ember crest]

be dark iron, solved

[lusty grotto]

or just be dark iron

[modern brook]

I get changes to dwarf on kimbull

So it's not too bad

[primal crypt]

I turn into a gnome

[modern brook]

Lol

Rekt

[lusty grotto]

im dwarf too

[primal crypt]

I become an escape artist

[lusty grotto]

that sick armor though

[primal crypt]

With nothing to escape

[modern brook]

Gnome look like the rugrats

[lusty grotto]

gnomes are awesome

[opal peak]

for punting

[modern brook]

Badopinionchip

[lusty grotto]

if racials werent a thing, and whatever

who doesnt laugh when a gnome dies

cause that is hilarious

[primal crypt]

If you get shrunk by someones crown gem

[supple path]

@reef sequoia Our primary defensive tools (shield block, last stand's shield block) don't do anything vs bleeds, so we just have to eat it with only IP/shield wall helping. Limited toolkit for it.

[primal crypt]

As a goblin or gnome

You disappear

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[opal peak]

poof

[lusty grotto]

i should try it, i just trashed yesterday's gem

[primal crypt]

I was a ball of enchanted weapon color

[reef sequoia]

I feel that pain when I play BrM. Bleeds chew through HP cause stagger does fuck all to DoTs.

[supple path]

The crown gems are 100% the best thing about this patch.

[lusty grotto]

except when you get the shiny one

[primal crypt]

When I clapped

[opal peak]

i love how you can get something very useful

[lusty grotto]

and you're like... what the fuck is thi sshit

[opal peak]

and totally useless

[supple path]

It's a daily lottery.

[primal crypt]

I was just lightening

[opal peak]

i have yet to get the prepot

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo

im just happy to get the food one

[opal peak]

i love the food when im healing on my monk

[lusty grotto]

even chef nimchip gets tired of cooking

[primal crypt]

Got a belt.

Woohoo

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[ember crest]

some good pvp stat alloc tho

[lusty grotto]

TD

[ember crest]

and with that leech youll be unstoppable

[lusty grotto]

you got TD haha

[primal crypt]

I love TD

[lusty grotto]

i wanna see this stream

[primal crypt]

TD is easy now

[lusty grotto]

of course it is

[primal crypt]

Since first boss doesnt apply necrotic

[lusty grotto]

but TD with sanguine

and

[sand egret]

TD is the bane of my existence

[primal crypt]

Even easier

[lusty grotto]

necrotic

[primal crypt]

Easy week nim

Simple

Ill show you

When I do it

[lusty grotto]

hallways to kite

[primal crypt]

Ill ping you

[sand egret]

TD with pugs is worse than Shrine. Change my mind.

[lusty grotto]

EHHHH

[primal crypt]

Not as a paladin @sand egret

[lusty grotto]

blade wtf lol

[supple path]

So what black magic do you use to stop your dps from running over, AEing a pack of yellow mobs, bringing them back to the pull, then killing them to drop sanguines on all the things.

[primal crypt]

[opal peak]

so TD with pugs vs shrine with pugs?

[supple path]

the real challenge of TD

[lusty grotto]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rogue-one-traitor-fYFTES1dWOY5G

[sand egret]

YAMO ^

[rocky crest]

IS THERE any use of stacking 2x the revenge trait or get 1 revenge train and 1 ip trait ?

[sand egret]

actual footage

[primal crypt]

@supple path dps??? I pull the yellows

[lusty grotto]

i always pull yellows too

[primal crypt]

I pull them all and kill them

By myself on purpose

[opal peak]

moar dps

[supple path]

I pull the close ones and then I see a starfall or some shit go down 30 yards away lol

[primal crypt]

20 billion units

[sand egret]

yea know....i may start doing that Yamo

[primal crypt]

Of yellow on 420

The secret to pulling is to pull it all yourself :)

[supple path]

But good sense. Just kill them right away so nothing is missing hp to heal.

[sand egret]

gives you way more room to work with

if you're not skating around those

[lusty grotto]

TD is easy, just stupid when pugs cant fucking hit shit with cannons to save their life so they just end up killing me over and over

[reef sequoia]

Alright... so a few things I've learnt: Prot Warrior damage can scale multiplicatively in AoE situations due to the stacking of various passive talents and abilities, and Tclap spam. Magic damage rips through you and your only option is Spell Reflect which doesn't seem to be too useful to begin with. Then you also have issues with bleeds since none of that damage can be mitigated. Furthermore, it's probably the single best tank spec for any form of physical damage whatsoever because of IP and Shield Block. That, and other CD stacking, and the shield.

[opal peak]

its sad bc im happy no more bolstering... but like... necrotic 😦 i just wanna deeps

[lusty grotto]

magic damage? DEMO SHOUT

[sand egret]

uh

[ember crest]

demo+ip

[sand egret]

bleeds can be mitigated

[supple path]

Spell reflect can be utterly amazing in certain fights but yeah.

[reef sequoia]

I could have sworn someone just told me bleeds can't be mitigated

[sand egret]

a lot of 🤔 on that statement

[supple path]

It can't be BLOCKED is I think what mitigated was meaning there

[sand egret]

you can pump IP during bleeds

[ember crest]

dont ask how we reflect a gorilla grabbing us but we do

[lusty grotto]

demo shout mob that bleeds =

[sand egret]

pop SW

demo shout

[primal crypt]

Bleeds can be mitigated

[modern brook]

We

Chortle

It was me

[sand egret]

tbh Warrior has some great tools for dealing with magic

[modern brook]

And I'll continue claiming that until its untrue or irrelevant

[sand egret]

that's a huge misconception

[primal crypt]

Oh my boss just whipped me

I have to go back to work

[modern brook]

Rekt

[lusty grotto]

did he say "yamo carry me on your paladin, you traitor"

[sand egret]

my job involves being on discord

so muahahah

[ember crest]

found the terrorist

[modern brook]

U n e m p l o y e d

[supple path]

Eh...problem is we have the BEST tools for dealing with raw physical damage, and just decent for magic.

[magic hazel]

A job with the need to be on Discord usually also entails 14+ hours per day of worktime 😉

[sand egret]

doesn't sound like a problem to me...

[magic hazel]

So whats it for you?

[reef sequoia]

So then which tank has the best tools for magic damage? o.O BDK?

[supple path]

Yeah.

[modern brook]

YeH

[lusty grotto]

Prot Pala

[supple path]

Well depends on the nature of the amgic

[sand egret]

im 8 hours a day /shrug

[modern brook]

And and self healing goes a long way

[lusty grotto]

see holy shield, see spellwarding

[magic hazel]

Sounds good

[lusty grotto]

see shield that silences

[modern brook]

Spellwarding doesnt stop

[reef sequoia]

What do you mean the nature of the magic? You mean direct, or DoT?

[lusty grotto]

aka captain america

[modern brook]

Spellwarding moves the tsrget

[supple path]

I mean if it's something where blessing of spellwarding can just cheese it

[modern brook]

Same as bop

[sand egret]

yeah I think Pallies are probably the "best"

[lusty grotto]

honestly not by much

[primal crypt]

Who would play a paladin though

[sand egret]

in respect to the cheese mentioned above

[lusty grotto]

i think magic mitigation is balanced closely

[primal crypt]

Over a warrior

[sand egret]

YOU

[primal crypt]

[reef sequoia]

I'd probably play Pally over Warrior. 😛 But I have no taste.

[supple path]

So a 10s window of heavy magic damage = prot paladins are cleanly best, but sustained over minutes, I'd give it to DKs. Also depends if avenger's shield silence represents a serious reduction in incoming damage, etc.

[lusty grotto]

which site can we expect this interview on

wowhead?

mmo-champ?

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

icy veins?

[supple path]

allakhazam

[reef sequoia]

I hear AMR is starting a new division where it tries to be relevant again.

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ censuras

[primal crypt]

Thotbot

[lusty grotto]

censuras went wayyyyyyyy back

skipped thottbot

[magic hazel]

Only ever used Thottbot for Everquest ... not for WoW (maybe in the first year?)

[reef sequoia]

I suppose I should go full interview mode tbh

[lusty grotto]

thottbot wasn't for everquest, that was allakhazam

[magic hazel]

Errmm .. no

[lusty grotto]

thottbot was strictly for wow

yes

[magic hazel]

Thott was an EQ Bard

[reef sequoia]

"What do you see for the future of Prot Warrior in Crucible of Storms and 8.2?"

[lusty grotto]

thott was an EQ bard that moved to wow

[magic hazel]

And Thottbot was THE EQ tool

[lusty grotto]

no

there wasn't

thottbot was only for WoW

[supple path]

Thott was the EQ bard...who popularized Thottbot in early vanilla for WoW iirc

[lusty grotto]

you searched quests and items on eq.allakhazam.com

[magic hazel]

Please ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thottbot

Check the history

[lusty grotto]

bro lol

where in what you linked

does it say

[ember crest]

not Fansy the famous bard? not interested

[lusty grotto]

thottbot was for EQ

i mean lol

[supple path]

I actually don't even remember what early tbot was like.

[lusty grotto]

shit man

[magic hazel]

"The original Thottbot was a news aggregator created by Bill "Aftathott" Dyess, founder of the EverQuest guild "Afterlife"

[lusty grotto]

THOTTBOT

the site

we know Thott was an AL bard

this is public knowledge

[magic hazel]

Thottbot was an EQ site

[lusty grotto]

Thottbot <---- the site

it wasn't

again

look at what you linked

[magic hazel]

Read: Its purpose was to comb various video game websites for news and information on a number of MMORPGs with a focus on EverQuest

[reef sequoia]

Y'all seriously arguing over an outmoded website for history's sake. I expect a 10,000 word essay on the negative and positive impacts thottbot had on the gaming community's development in 4 weeks.

[lusty grotto]

i played EQ1 up until PoR, i know what im talking about

[supple path]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010515200017/http://www.thottbot.com/ enjoy

[magic hazel]

Obviously you didnt use the site, then

[lusty grotto]

obviously cause it wasn't used for the same functionality as what you're describing

[narrow abyss]

I used it when it told me where to go in quest and I’d read the comments

[lusty grotto]

combing doesn't mean wowhead functionality

which was what thottbot got known for

[narrow abyss]

Didn’t even know it was a news site

[magic hazel]

I didnt describe it having wowhead functionality..

I said it was the main EQ site I used shrug

[lusty grotto]

you used thottbot over Allakhazam

ok

gotcha

[supple path]

this is such a great angry old man conversation.

[lusty grotto]

for news aggregation over quest info

[magic hazel]

If I needed quest information I used mainly specialised sites (graffes for me)

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[daring marlin]

ok that was interesting

maghar racial gave me mastery

so that+BoM I went from 28% mastery to 70%

I like it

[primal crypt]

WEAK SAUCE

100% OR BUST

[supple path]

100%? That's a sucker level. You need to get your mastery high enough that the normal block chance is 100%.

God I actually wonder what that'd be, like 5k?

basically the point when gear reaches that level we'll get nerfed.

[primal crypt]

nah

Another squish

[lusty grotto]

yikes i got PTSD from unhittable sets in ToGC

[supple path]

I do think with BoM + an on demand trinket or something we may reach that point at least for windows pre-crunch.

[lusty grotto]

eye twitch

[supple path]

remember your shield breaking every 20 minutes? pepperidge farms remembers

[lusty grotto]

ptsd intensifies

[primal crypt]

We wont hit that point

[warm plinth]

I tanked as a feral druid up til MoP so I didn't have to worry about that shit 😉

[daring marlin]

I want a vial type trinket

that gives massive mastery

that'd be epic

[warm plinth]

The on-use from tortollans is on-use mastery on 1-min CD

[daring marlin]

crucible mastery trinket will be...interesting

yeah but gl getting a super high ilvl of that

[warm plinth]

Not massive but something

From last night @daring marlin

😂

[lusty grotto]

what the goddamn

holy christ

[warm plinth]

Ikr

[daring marlin]

this fucking guy

fuck that guy

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god

that's from tortollans?

[daring marlin]

@north oar hey bud fuck you

❤

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[warm plinth]

lolol

No that's just a regular WQ trinket I think

Tortollan one is less mastery but 1 min CD

[daring marlin]

YEAH DUDE

[lusty grotto]

but

but how

[daring marlin]

he TF'd it from fucking 355

or some shit

[warm plinth]

Yep

[daring marlin]

good for that guy

[lusty grotto]

that's beyond impossible luck

[daring marlin]

no kidding lol

[warm plinth]

He posted it asking if it was good 🙃

[lusty grotto]

i dont wanna do WQs anymore 😦

[daring marlin]

I'd like that on my warlock too

[lusty grotto]

but now i'll have to

[daring marlin]

fucking lol

[warm plinth]

I was actually half distracted when he posted it and didn't realize what it was. I was like yeah it's good lol

Nim will be feverishly farming trinket WQs until the end of BfA twitching like the folks farming arcanocrystal forges in Legion before relinquished gear

[lusty grotto]

lol

im capable of it

[warm plinth]

Hey at least doing WQs is less obnoxious than killing Withered J'im

[stone cloud]

Eeeeeasy

[lusty grotto]

nah but honestly

gz gz 😃

[warm plinth]

Holy shit

[lusty grotto]

420 again

so far 4 420s today

it's a good 420 day

[warm plinth]

😏

[stone cloud]

Goes with the 420 vial I got last week 🤪

[opal peak]

wait

i got a 420 ring

[warm plinth]

Damn

[opal peak]

TD ring

😃

[warm plinth]

Nice!

[lusty grotto]

raining 420s

[opal peak]

not on otherwise i'd post a pic to continue the 420 train

[warm plinth]

Maybe I should have actually done a dungeon last week 🤔

Sounds like the week of good RNG

[opal peak]

i mean it wasnt a 420 shield so only ok RNG

[stone cloud]

Other toons got 410’s

[lusty grotto]

i honestly will be okay with the 415 boots i will get for 4th week in a row

i just want the residuum

[primal crypt]

I can't handle this shit

All these 420s

[stone cloud]

Imagine being worried about a 420 shield when have 425 from mythic champs

[warm plinth]

I just want something to replace this 😭

[lusty grotto]

😮

have you done ivus

[opal peak]

@stone cloud can't not be worried when u only have a 310 shield 😦

[warm plinth]

My other trinket 😠

[lusty grotto]

you need to do ivus again

[stone cloud]

Oooof By The Way! I still worried cause never gonna have 425 shield

[warm plinth]

He's not up atm. I'll be doing him with a roll when our quest goes down

At least I can upgrade one of them haha

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[warm plinth]

I'm the dwarf master race

Alliance has Darkshore quest atm

[lusty grotto]

yeah yeah

[stone cloud]

I’ve killed him every time he’s up pally has a 385 390 and 395 knot warrior has none

Feels good man

[opal peak]

alliance 🤢

[warm plinth]

Don't be mad that you'll never have a majestic beard

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel thanks for the clarification. It normally hadn’t been an issue until this pst week when I got all three dungeon drops one after the other.

I understand the utilization as you pointed out. Just wasn’t sure at what point the Ilvl differences mattered

[stone cloud]

Have you seen Tauren? They whole body be a beard m8

[warm plinth]

Look at that shit

It's glorious

[stone cloud]

Not even a good one

[warm plinth]

😮

[stone cloud]

Common pleb beard

Not no majestic Kingsley beard

[warm plinth]

lol

[daring marlin]

^much more glorious

[stone cloud]

Agreed

[opal peak]

man gobbo all day 😌

[warm plinth]

I've been thinking about rerolling but I already got started way late on my warrior (only 382 atm), and honestly I like the regular dwarf heritage armor much better.

[daring marlin]

dwarf heritage is amazing

[opal peak]

heritage...

u need to level for that

🤢

[daring marlin]

not normal heritage

for dwarf or blood elf

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I mean I guess I could just level a DID something else and then race change my warrior, but meh.

[daring marlin]

I don't have DiD heritage

ain't got time for leveling that shit

I will do KT human with monk though

probably

[opal peak]

i loved heritage until i found out u needed to level for it

then cried that i'll never have any

[warm plinth]

I'm definitely doing a KT something. Their heritage armor is sick, even after the changes (it's actually slightly better imo)

[opal peak]

imagine ever leveling from 1

[daring marlin]

I liked the anchor but it was a bit gaudy.

[exotic spoke]

Yeah... but leveling.... fuck that

[warm plinth]

Yeah

But the buckles or whatever on the coat being far less bright is better for sure

Well, technically allied races start at 20, which means you start with riding skill and can turn on war mode from the start

[opal peak]

ya i can barely stand leveling from 110-120

wouldnt even wanna make dh that starts at 98

[grizzled fog]

on necrotic do i just shockwave leap if the stacks get too high

[warm plinth]

Usually just leap and kite is fine as long as you're not doing it when they've just renewed or something. Alternatively you can just make sure you have a balance druid and/or a monk in your group for trees/RoP

[exotic spoke]

Could be worse cuddles. I remember leveling 1-60 in vanilla with all the issues that plagued it.

Miss an execute? RIP all your rage

[opal peak]

well tbf, i didnt mind leveling my first 2 men in late vanilla

bc it was new and part of the content

now it is a nuisance

[novel solar]

Hey guys, looking to get into prot warrior but no idea where to start with azerite.. do i just get one DC and then stack (for M+) BoM > IF > BfI ?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah it was fixed about 1/2 to 2/3rds the way through

[opal peak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson sail]

Question, do I just take Devastate off my bars?

[warm plinth]

@novel solar That's a pretty good way to look at it.

No, definitely not.

[lusty grotto]

you could start by looking at the icy veins guide @novel solar

[undone sun]

Deva is part of the "rotation" 🤔

[broken kite]

^

[exotic spoke]

Priority queue?

[daring marlin]

you'll use devastate

...sometimes

[crimson sail]

The "oh I have no rage and shield slam on CD better add an AA worth of damage via GCD"

[daring marlin]

you'll hate it

[exotic spoke]

Yup

[crimson sail]

It feels like Maul in Legion but without the rage cost

[daring marlin]

but there are times when you have nothing else

[novel solar]

@lusty grotto Yeah read it and it says to have 1 DC but wasn't sure if there were other mandatory traits or just a stack as many as possible in the prio

[lusty grotto]

that's cause maul was a copy of heroic strike before that was removed from us

[novel solar]

@warm plinth thanks

[undone sun]

Deva is a filler, it's essential when those are on CD, yes

[lusty grotto]

Heroic Strike F

F

[crimson sail]

F

[exotic spoke]

I’d argue, if you’re having problems and using devastate too much then maybe remove it? But normally yes, it should be there to use when you have nothing else

[undone sun]

It's also easiest to keep up deep wounds without spending rage offensively on rev

[lusty grotto]

devastate still resets SS, so it's worth pressing

[warm plinth]

@novel solar A lot of people are doing 3x BoM, 1x DC and 2x IF/Bloodsport. If you have the engi helm, 2x BoM and 1 of the RNG trait is pretty good too.

[crimson sail]

Ok true true

Thanks guys!

[lusty grotto]

for now the only mandatory trait is DC @novel solar , that's correct

[warm plinth]

If you're using deva too much, don't remove it; just learn to play the class better XD

[exotic spoke]

Yes ghash, but I was taking to someone... and he couldn’t get that through his head lol

[brave vine]

does block or parry prevent stacks fo necrotic this week?

[warm plinth]

Parry does, block does not

[novel solar]

@lusty grotto @warm plinth thanks for the tip

[warm plinth]

Dodging also prevents stacks.

[brave vine]

so, assuming i go in guns blazing to a pack that will live long enough to stack high

do i slow, leap, and then ask for some aoe cc until stacks drop?

[lusty grotto]

you're already slowing with TC

[brave vine]

like cpacitor or el nova

[undone sun]

Lot of different factors to that, how many mobs, how many are casters, what key level, etc.

[warm plinth]

You slow with TC. Just leap and kite a bit and they'll drop.

[lusty grotto]

shockwave if not in sanguine, then leap

(dont leap into other packs)

[warm plinth]

Hopefully that goes without saying, but good call 😅

[brave vine]

my warr used to be my main but i went hpal for the guild this tier

and im trying to get into 10 keys this week

[exotic spoke]

Thyme is correct. Where the stacks are in terms of stacks, how close the mobs are to death, how much time is left on the stacks, as well as what he said

[lusty grotto]

stop, nimchipadin likes having a fellow prot warrior + hpal

[brave vine]

i mean, i'd never heal if it wasnt for holy paladin

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin will be perma retired until i have more time

[exotic spoke]

But, in general - stun into leaping away (not in sanguine) is a pretty good start

[brave vine]

okay

maybe ill see fi i can get a mage for frozen orb and nova

[lusty grotto]

frost mage is a nono for sanguine

[warm plinth]

Eh, I'd rather have a druid or a monk. They use frozen orb for DPS so it may not be available at the time you need it. Nova will basically break instantly. RoP and trees are guarantees

Assuming the druid is smart about where trees are placed if sanguine is imminent

[lusty grotto]

ring of peace is ❤

rest is not

but hey its fort, so

you can probably make it work

somehow

mobs will live longer

[brave vine]

thats good thinking

[daring marlin]

man

wanna make necrotic ezpz?

take a hpal and ret pal

make a cancelaura macro

ez

[lusty grotto]

you know

every single fucking pug hpal

i take

every single one

NEVER uses bop

[exotic spoke]

I found your issue

You said pug

[lusty grotto]

right

i wish i could take nimchipadin

but i can't split myself into two

[daring marlin]

[timber nest]

whats the play with spending residium? spent in now or save ?

[exotic spoke]

What do you have right now?

[timber nest]

id be buying a 415 helm, hoping for BoM. i only have a 400

[exotic spoke]

I believe the general math is that it’s better to buy the random ones? I thought I read that

[lusty grotto]

use it on lowest ilvl

only buy 415s

[exotic spoke]

That too

[lusty grotto]

right random 415ss

even if you don't get specific traits you will get an ilvl upgrade

because ilvl > all

[exotic spoke]

Out of curiosity, for those that have done the pulls, anything specific I should be wary of on M Grong - more than just the general shit I mean.

[lusty grotto]

even after that, its more cost-effective to keep randoming for traits you want

[exotic spoke]

I guess I mean, anything prot should be worried about that other tanks may not.

[lusty grotto]

you know when to SR?

if yes, then nothing else

[exotic spoke]

Aight then I got this

[lusty grotto]

however on mythic 2x bleeds + throw is very dangerous for any tank

so call out whatever or pop wall if that happens

[exotic spoke]

Space goat + last stand to help for that

[lusty grotto]

nah dont LS

[analog swift]

@lusty grotto do you just spam spell reflect while you’re grabbed? Because you can’t use it before and that way it goes off before you land

[lusty grotto]

just wall or call for an external

no

[exotic spoke]

Well, just meant if I need the heal

[lusty grotto]

you use SR before getting gripped

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[analog swift]

Isn’t the grip for five seconds?

[lusty grotto]

combo is 3 cast... are you getting the 3rd cast? then you're getting gripped so pop SR then

[analog swift]

Wouldn’t it wear out before you’re thrown?

[lusty grotto]

so?

SR is for the dot DURING the grip

i.e you take no dmg during it

[warm plinth]

If you reflect it, you don't get the DoT at all, so its duration is irrelevant.

[exotic spoke]

^^

[timber nest]

the grip is physical damage :/ the impact damage is nature

i thought?

[lusty grotto]

wrong

its reflectable

impact damage won't kill you unless if you have 2x bleeds

[sick sentinel]

I just killed my boomie

with spell reflect

tol dagor lol

[exotic spoke]

Rofl? Cannon?

[sick sentinel]

yy

[opal peak]

does spell reflect make war better to take throw than brew?

[lusty grotto]

best way to kill nubs in cannons

i can't say

i dont play netflix watching tanks

[warm plinth]

😅

[lusty grotto]

you just won't take grip dmg, you will def take impact damage

which is more than manageable with a decent size IP

[opal peak]

there's nothing else to spell reflect right? im randomly looking at our logs and our tank uses spell reflect but isnt taking throw

🤔

[lusty grotto]

there's nothing else

i guess if you wanted to minimize tantrum dmg for whatever reason but that's not needed

[opal peak]

ah yeah it looks like the timings line up with tantrum

[lusty grotto]

right

[cinder pasture]

If he's not taking throws then you might as well use it for the tantrum

[lusty grotto]

i guess he could be using it for it, but honestly he doesn't need it for it at all

yeah i guess

no reason he shouldn't be taking throws though

[supple path]

It does feel like it's on the tank to ask for BoP, since you just know that 9 out of 10 tanks who get BoP'd at a high necrotic stack promptly never click it off and let their whole group die.

[opal peak]

our brew normally takes the throws

[cinder pasture]

I've had a cancel aura macro'd into my shield slam for years because of BoP 😛

[opal peak]

tho our logs got fucked this past reset when he had a dk subbing in so not sure about then

[lusty grotto]

yeah cancel aura is baked into my SS as well

[cinder pasture]

I've been trolled by paladins far too many times

[warm plinth]

Feelycraft says a warrior would be better to take the throws since you can literally negate half the mechanic

[supple path]

I used to have cancelaura bop, divine intervention, salvation hotkeyed to every single ability.

my guild paladins weren't good people

[lusty grotto]

oh god i forgot DI

[opal peak]

interesting, i wonder if he knows u can reflect the dot

[lusty grotto]

holy shit haha

salvation on tanks... thats just pure evil though

[supple path]

There were pulls where it'd get cast 30 times

[warm plinth]

"We're gonna need Divine Intervention on our mages, so they can blast them all down with AoE"

[lusty grotto]

what sort of satans did you play with

[supple path]

I was a prot paladin back then so they felt entitled to abuse me.

[narrow abyss]

Spell reflect negates the dot applied by grong

It’s like 30k x 5 ticks

It’s actually significant

[lusty grotto]

it is pretty huge

[supple path]

Yeah makes us cleanly the best tanks for him imo

[exotic spoke]

I didn’t know about it until this past weekend when I was doing prep work

[lusty grotto]

credit to @modern brook also coffee + yogurt

[supple path]

You can also heroic leap after the throw/before impact if a mongoloid has taken it to group

[opal peak]

really? so could u just not have dps move and just leap to where u wanna go? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

(bull found it out)

[supple path]

yeah but it's a tight enough timing that odds are you're gonna have a bad time at least once

Haven't explicitly tested it, but the damage hits after leap, so I'd...imagine it works properly.

Or the much, much more useful and practical method: assassinating those who have wronged you.

[lusty grotto]

i like that method

very much

just like kaege's method

"IF YOU HIT ME WITH CANNON YOURE DEAD"

"i wasn't joking fam"

[opal peak]

i mean it's nice to know if some1 fucks up and doesnt move u can be ready to try and save the raid

[supple path]

Yeah, you have plenty of time during the grip to decide if it's needed.

[opal peak]

i shall inform our tankerman

[exotic spoke]

I’m so pullingthat next TD I do nim

[twin hazel]

3x IF 2x Bastion 1x DC, am i living the dream?

[supple path]

If you had one more bastion and one less IF

But you're intensely dreamadjacent

[opal peak]

wait what TD thing? can u spell reflect the cannons?

[steel mauve]

Found out the hard way if you leap during throw the impact damage is centered where you leap to

[latent sigil]

Noob question (I guess): Is a 400 shield with socket or a 410 shield without socket better?

[exotic spoke]

Yes apparently

[steel mauve]

Lept dead center of my raid team one night testing it out

[twin hazel]

410 shield

[opal peak]

interesting

[undone sun]

410

[latent sigil]

ty

[twin hazel]

shield ilvl > anything

[opal peak]

i shall have fun

[undone sun]

Shield ilevels are incredibly important

[opal peak]

the next TD i do

[exotic spoke]

But, I’m going to do it a little differently - guild tries to kill one another as much as possible - sooooo... I’m using that to my advantage

[opal peak]

oh

that sounds fun

[twin hazel]

Looking for opinions on Endless hunger on M+, Id drop an IF for it

guessing bad

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, but only on farm content and don’t cause a wipe. It’s a fine line

I’d let the other tank run trash in tomb of sargeras and go get runes to kill the fucks that afked on trash

[lusty grotto]

bad

very bad

[timber nest]

tfw you spend residium on a piece thats worse than the engi helm :/ at least i can make that tonight after raid

[twin hazel]

scrap it get that 300 res back

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[timber nest]

its bis for fury, why would i scrap it?

[twin hazel]

because warrior deeps is lamez

[ember crest]

fury is ok, arms is zzzzz

[twin hazel]

prot outdamages it so just play prot :

[sand egret]

what is up with people bringing up that DH spec in warrior discord?

[lusty grotto]

dunno man

[sand egret]

freakin weird man

[lusty grotto]

stupid furries

[undone sun]

Hmmm

[lavish oracle]

I mean, that helmet is pretty good, not terrible by any metric really

[analog swift]

More mythic grong questions

Anybody taken three smashes in a row and lived to tell the tale?

And/or does crush apply multiplicatively? Would the third be something like 25 times damage?

Oh no it wouldn’t because the first one would fall off

Maybe

[exotic spoke]

If it stacks then it renews most of the time.

I didn’t think triple smash was possible

[supple path]

Could maybe get BoP'd + taunt?

[sick sentinel]

triple smash is completely possible

[supple path]

Actually how does BoP work on Grong? Does it remove the bleed too?

[analog swift]

As in does it stack and renew

[sick sentinel]

idk

[exotic spoke]

Fair enough kaege I just hadn’t seen it.

And likely yes Theseus

[analog swift]

I wonder if it’s multiplicative. Like is the third 25 times or is it 10 times

[exotic spoke]

I can’t think of something that sticks and the second / subsequent applications don’t renew

[sick sentinel]

it does not last enough if you tank A get's smashed, tank B taunts and gets smashed and then tank C taunts back and get's smashed but his debuff has fallen of

if you take 3 smashes in a row it is additive

like every other debuff in the game

[analog swift]

Well sometimes it will renew but it won’t stack

[sick sentinel]

well to test this out

you have to survive the third smash

lol

[exotic spoke]

Only second actually if they are back to back

[neon tangle]

How is everyone enjoying the reset?

I did WM12 today and I want to die

[lusty grotto]

but youre a bdk

wat happen

[modern brook]

ty for credit nim

[tender igloo]

Thunderous blast or bastion of might?

[sick sentinel]

bastion of might

like big time

that's not even a question

[tender igloo]

cool. haven't seen the thunderous one ever so I wasn't sure

[silk mortar]

But what if he wanna play ranged warrior 🤔

Using only heroic throw

[sick sentinel]

12 yard radius on TC is still ranged

that's over double the melee range

melee range is 5 yards right ?

[tender igloo]

I think so yea

[silk mortar]

Darnit

No comback then

[sick sentinel]

@tender igloo generally, general traits are better than prot traits 95% of the time

you would have known that if you have read the guide, which you should

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto the side with the grubs is horrid

[sick sentinel]

if you see some top end guys run some general traits they are probably experimenting

[neon tangle]

can't reset stacks for shit since they spawn all around

General traits also (generally) do more damage than a lot of the more defensive prot traits

so they're prolly messing around with that

[sick sentinel]

I mean, I am currently messing around with merticulous scheming

probably a second DC will do more dps than that but still

[neon tangle]

I expect as the sims get more accurate you'll see more prots on the high end trade for some good damage traits

[last mason]

I’m experimenting with barrage, 2 bom, and 3 dc rn

It’s interesting

[sick sentinel]

barrage 🤢